Clip Studio Paint 2.0 New Features and Subscription Pricing
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Celsys has finally responded to the Clip Studio Paint license controversy. I'll go over that as well as a walkthrough the announced 2.0 new features.
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It's a total mess indeed. Program development seem to be run by shareholders rather than creatives recently. This doesn't only apply to Celsys but Adobe as well.
I don't know what they are doing but with over 20 millions registered users, a simple upgrade to 2.0 would have been a massive revenue boost. I would have had no problem doing that.
AND now Pixologic, since they sold out to Maxon... and ruined Zbrush. they only want "Drumroll" $660 for the "Upgrade" from Zbrush 2022, to Zbrush 2023! JUST $660! THATS ALL!
Avoiding the subscription model is part of why I purchased Clip Studio Paint to begin with. I'm sorry they are changing to a subscription model.
Yeah, it sucks
I honestly think its great that clip studio is doing this
The quicker they bury their own grave the quicker a competitor that will learn from CSPs mistakes will rise up
Similar to how Affinity has done to Adobe
I'll be using Krita for now
I think the masses have already bent the knee to be honest.
I went to Affinity from Adobe. Affinity doesn't hold a candle to Adobe and from the looks of it, never will. It's better than nothing, but really I started using Krita cause it's less frustrating than Affinity.
I mean a ton of people are still using Adobe though!
The price is reasonable, the sub thing is NOT! I see the reason they are doing this. They want a subscription and so they reword and pretend they changed the model but they did not.
First the reword that confused A TON of people on Twitter. Originally they called the update pass feature updates for version 2.0. This of course was 2.1 - 2.9, (90% of version 2). In this new announcement, they reworded it and called it Feature updates for version 3.0, but it is still 2.1 - 2.9! They want you to feel like they aren't putting 90% of version 2 behind a paywall by telling you that it isn't really version 2 it's a preview for version 3. The main point is so when Version 3.0 comes, they can take 90% of version 2.0 back (you paid to have it temporarily, add a few new features and sell it back to you again as Version 3.0. If people let themselves be screwed over like this, they will keep doing it.
I'm not going to buy a tiny feature update for 20$ and then TEMPORARILY buy the other 90% of the software I purchased for another 10$. For me it is not about the money, I would happily pay 30$ for the new version if it was the WHOLE version. I won't temporarily buy hypothetical updates that I might or might not give a $h!t about. Then take the updates I paid for back at the end of the year and sell me a whole new version.
The reason is, this company should EARN your business, not extort or expect you to buy it yearly or pay double if you skip an update because they brought nothing to the table. Version 1 was good, I am inclined to think 2.0 will be as well. As Version 2.0 stands NOW, I would not buy it, there just isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant ANY new price. As 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 etc. came out I would re-evaluate. If it became worth a new purchase I would. I would treat 3.0 the same way. I would never pay another 2.5 times that cost 50$ because I thought one version simply wasn't worth my hard earned cash.
There are just TOO MANY alternatives to this company to accept this sort of treatment. Currently, I have Krita, Paintstorm Studio, Realistic Paint Studio, Rebelle 5, Corel Painter and Artrage Vitae. There is just no reason anyone needs to support this behavior.
Krita is FREE, it took some time to set up keybindings, but after that it was a breeze, also a VERY CAPABLE piece of software. It is the most comparable to Clip Studio. Paintstorn Studio is 20$ and I aboslutely loved painting in it, it is similar to clip studio, but has some aspects of Flame painter and others as well. Realistic Paint Studio is made by the same company as the last and is geared toward Feeling like traditional media. It is also 20$. Rebelle 5 is normally 150$ but is on sale RIGHT NOW for 10$. It has some of the most realistic feeling Watercolor out there. Corel Painter is Reg. 429$ (I would NEVER recommend it at that price)!!! Every Year, Humble Bundle (website) has it on sale for 30$. Unfortunately that sale JUST ended. That sale usually starts the end of September, and ends the 3rd week of October. Sign up for their emailings from humble bundle and you will get a reminder. Artrage Vitae is normally 79$, but it is on sale on the Microsoft store for 39.99, it to me has the best feeling oil painting.
For those of you that just need CSP 2.0.... AHOY MATEY!!!! Personally I'm fine with 1.x and the other software I have
I totally agree. Add to it that the full version increments is just an annual model in disguise. If I arbitrarily give you a yearly release schedule that is annual, it’s doing it just to make people pay again. So I can do the update pass and fly through the models but if I switch to perpetual, I’m paying for the same thing twice. I don’t understand why people don’t get this.
Thanks for the video, very informative.. My brain melts (or shuts down) whenever I see a list of prices and have to do comparisons (and they know, it's by design)..
It's an awful model. It's designed to nickle and dime you into at minimum, a yearly "upgrade" cost and having the nerve to withold features unless you pay a sub on top of it? Anyone who thinks those yearly discounts are staying that low are crazy. Sooner or later, people will just tap out and pay the monthly sub because its cheaper.
Is sad when non Adobe devs do Adobe type of decisions haha. Great vid.
lol, thanks. In some ways, this is worse than Adobe because Clip made its name on being the anti-Adobe. So it goes I guess.
they still have devs they have to pay cheap fuck
@@CreateNowSleepLater Exactly, I remember a couple of years ago there was a big wave of angry PS users switching to CSP, so seeing this is kinda sad, not a deal breaker for many people but still sad. It really was (and still kinda is) THE PS alternative.
Yep, sadly, even if it was a deal breaker, they aren’t changing their minds. If they convert half of us, that is a lot of revenue.
I stopped using Adobe because of the subscription. I don't want to pay a subscription. I want to own the program.
You can still pay a one-time fee but my issue is, it will still be an annual fee based on the release schedule. Add to it, we don’t know if they will have an upgrade cost once you skip a version. They already said, no upgrade from 1.X to 3.
@@CreateNowSleepLater I got a friend who is interested in CSP. Due to his situation, if he does buy CSP, he can't do any annual or monthly fees. What should I tell him?
If he buys it now, he gets upgraded to 2.0. I believe they give a 6 mo. Update pass. If he doesn’t pay for anything else, he can use 2.0 (minus whatever features come with that 6 mo pass) forever. It’s feature updates he won’t get. It gets complicated once they get to 4.0 because they haven’t said if there will be a one-time upgrade path if you skip a version.
Very helpful I was looking at prices but heard it’s gone downhill so this explained it really well
The recently had a sale and I still didn’t upgrade. I suspect towards the end of the 2.0 lifecycle, they will offer a deal that lets you get 3.0 as well. Depending on 3.0, I could be convinced for content purposes alone. In July though, notice how the feature updates have been non existent even when people opted for the update pass.
The very reason we all switched from PS to Csp is PS sub model. Following the same path? 😐
I don't know what to answer the artists I suggested CSP... 😐😐
Yep, I spoke about this more in the first video but they went from the hero of the art community to its villain.
@@CreateNowSleepLater yes. It's sad to see a most loved (loveable) software going down because of few bad decisions.
Yep.
They are concerned with the most combination of ways to keep you paying. 💯 greed driven.
Companies keep going back on perpetual licenses and it's total bs man. I wish NOBODY would put up with it so they'd stop but sadly lots of people still do.
Right, I’m surprised how many people are going along with from clip’s perspective, what do they care. They aren’t getting any money out of 1.X owners so even if 25% of them buy 2.0, it’s new money. This is never going away.
A very astute breakdown of this mess! I especially liked the Netflix comparison. I for one am glad that I haven’t been using CSP 1.x all these years (like I did with Adobe when they changed their model) and now have to face this quandary. For me it’s simple, I’m simply not going to invest in CSP and add it to my repertoire. There are many more very good, affordable pro options. Cheers!
It’s funny because I’m looking at other license models. Camtasia basically charges you a one time fee and you can pay an annual maintenance for all new versions. I can’t find a model that charges extra for in between version features and calls it a preview. Then why is it called an update pass? Right, because they just changed how they refer to it. They want everyone on a sub. I’d pay a one time fee, but if Davinci or camtasia cone out with a feature in between annual versions, they don’t charge you more for it.
🙄🙄🙄
I only do digital painting and I like csp brushes but I noticed that its not optimized well especially with wet mixing and large textured brushes so I just went back to Krita where it actually utilizes your cpu cores and some gpu power and the new version 5.0 is amazing. I hope this doesnt happen to Krita its my only go to software nowadays..
I was actually going to pull the trigger on buying it for 50% off thinking the perpetual license also gave updates, not anymore.
Ahoy!
That fact that this is essentially an annual model and they have the nerve to charge extra for in cycle updates is unbelievable. I've never seen any software company do this before.
the crack versions anit looking too bad now I think i'll go with that now
Doesn't seem like you are alone based on Twitter. What a shame. If they had just asked for a 2.0 one-time fee, I would not have had an issue with it. Pay for a preview to updates that you will lose (after you paid) unless you keep paying or buy the annual version. lol, ok Clip Studio.
I'm glad I looked up this video, I was literally about to buy the csp 2.0 upgrade, but knowing now that there will be another version next year and there not being alot of QoL changes that I thought there was this year, makes the 129 dollars no longer worth it to me. I was literally moments away from purchasing it and I had so much trouble trying to figure out "what I was supposed to buy" because CLP studio decided to make the purchase page confusing AF I had to make sure I was buying the right thing. Again, Glad I found this video while doing some last second research.
Glad to help. Their model is intentionally confusing because if you want all features, the sub is the cheapest option. The perpetual license is snake oil to me because you don’t get the feature updates like 2.1, 2.2. I’ve never seen anything so greedy.
I was all set to except the sub model ….,
I am now leaving, why I am at home and my Internet is off for a few hours and it’s asking me to verify or I can’t use all the features I’m done I’m going elsewhere that’s no excuse for that that should be a built-in date thing or something that knows even if you’re off-line you can use it
It’s a terrible model but they aren’t turning back. A lot of RUclipsrs took the update as some kind of “they listened!” message. The only advice I have is if you own the 1.X version perpetually, it won’t make you log in.
I don't mind paying a small sub alongside a perpetual license to get upgrades, but i need to keep them if i decide i want to stop the subscription. I paid for these up grades, they are mine now. If they take them back, it's stealing, plain and simple. I don't know if they have fixed this issue, but for now, I'll stay with the no sub
It’s not theft if they call it a “preview.” Their license model is in writing, when you sign on, you accept the terms. I’m sure their filthy lawyers checked all the boxes. It’s a garbage model.
Yeah... This will make me stick with 1.0, SAI, and MediBang, and krita. And the fact they're trying (and failing ) be sneaky with their subscription model makes things worst. And the people who have no problem with this never think they won't stop and start charging more and more with the subscription model later down the line. Never underestimate the dark side of human nature folks.
I’m already sticking with my 1.x I already have-
I actually purchased CS twice. Because of their promo but im so excited for it! I tried EX too and to me it was the same the same as pro... like you said a bunch of stuff that could have been part of clip studio altogether.
If I just stick with my 1.0 pro version and don't get any of the licenses, will I still be able to use csp for free in the future? Not planning on upgrading to csp ex or the 2.0 versions and beyond u~u
If you bought the perpetual, one time cost version, yes. It will work as long as the OS supports it.
Me 2
Best choice is keep using the current one and wait to see how thing play out . Don't upgrade yet maybe they will walk back after 1 or 2 year when they losing consumer to new drawing tool
It doesn’t look likely. People seem to be lining up to pay.
You're Spot on here. It's a cluster you know what...
Yep, I know what indeed...
PirateBay, that's the way
So did I understand it right? You can do a one-time purchase upgrade but you only have the 2.0 Version with that and you need to pay monthly if you want everything after 2.0 like the shadeing assistant, new 3D head etc? I'm currently still in Ver 1.13.2 and was thinking of upgrading to 2.0 but I am so unsure of what I get when I do that.
Correct. If you don’t pay the sub, those feature updates will be included in version 3. That’s why I keep saying it’s an annual model now. You have to rebuy it every year.
Does this mean if I use the free upgrade activation code they gave for a free 2.0 I won't have to pay for 2.0 ever ? also does 2.0 get stability updates ?
I believe so. I don’t recall stability updates being tied to any sub model.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Thank you :)
So if i have ex and install the free upgrade to 2.0 are they going to try charging me a subscription fee
What license model do you have?
This like sums up my viewpoint on all of this perfectly as a Pro Ver.1 user, I was looking to update to Pro.2 as it seemed cool at the time, but after looking at the weird wording and all the different plans they showed, the only way I could understand anything was by making similar flow charts haha. It's cheap to have to pay for 10% of a version and then get a pass... I wish they would adopt a similar model to FL studio(I know its a music, not art, program but their payment models are beautiful), I love the way how I paid so much money to get the all-features bundle. And I still get updates that are quality of life completely free. It's not about the money, but with FL Studio, I've always felt like I knew where my money was going and what was best for me as a consumer. With Clip, it kind of feels like they are trying to trick me. So if FL Studio ever does require me to pay more money for a future version, I trust them, but Clip Studio.... this is why I've been struggling to decide if I should upgrade to Pro 2 for like almost a year. And the worst part is I thought about upgrading pro 1 to ex 1, but I cant seem to find that option on the website. Maybe that part I'm just blind, but the fact I cant find it is just odd... :/
I still havent upgraded. Im waiting till the end of the year when they will likely offer a free upgrade to v3 at the end of the cycle. Then again, thats what everyone else does. They have already said there will be no upgrade path from 1.x to 3.
Look i get it...
But what piss me off is not about the subscription...BUT THE DOODLE MODE!!! OF NOT LETTING ME SAVE MY WORK!! OR EXPORT IT!!!
ITS SOOO DUMB!!!
I was looking to upgrade but then saw that Update Pass and it's not clear if V1 will get V2 updates or if V1 will get V1 updates, because I'm sure they won't work more on that version. The wording is not clear. They were on V1 for years and years, but now do they want to switch to an annual release cycle? So if you're on V2 and your annual Update Pass finishes before V3, does that mean you need to upgrade your perpetual license again??
I thought subscription would stay as it's own thing not get leached onto perpetual licenses.
V1 is not getting feature updated anymore, you need V2. Thats exactly what they did, they have an annual model now AND add the equivelent of a battle pass if you want the new features between versions. Last, to keep those features you need to buy each new perpetual version. Either that or you pay the sub forever. Stop paying and you get rolled back to the last perpetual version you bought. Its disgusting.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Damn, this is not good. Sounds like you don't even get bug fix updates if you don't get the update pass. They could've at least made V2 have all updates for free until the next version like they did with V1 for years. Saying for free even sounds weird... imagine you buy a game and have to pay for bug fix updates.
This is such a backwards move. Battle pass is a good analogy which shouldn't fit with software ever!
I just really like how CSP feels to work in. Nothing else has really done it for me after all these years. Guess I'll stick out with V1 😔
You do get bug fixes without the update pass on 2.0. It’s just feature updates.
So the idea is that for the foreseeable future all versions will continue to receive mantainence/functionality updates but *feature* updates are tied to an optional subscription that will culminate in a full release full-priced "new version" (that seems to be yearly?). So, theoretically for now, you should be able to buy the current version (Version 2) and if none of the big new features really catch your eye you should be okay? I don't like having to continue to pay for new features, but I've heard good things about CSP and I really just want to do digital painting/drawing without having to continue to pay hundreds of dollars to adobe.
That is correct. You can buy 2.0 and if you are happy with it, never pay another dime. If you want any new features you either pay the sub or wait for the yearly rollup which they are calling "new versions" to essentially justify their pricing model.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Interesting, It may still be a better deal than adobe though it sucks that they decided to go down this really slimey path in the first place. I'm really sick of such anti-consumer stuff related to these kinds of products of all things. I'll have to do a free trial/dig up an old wacom code to see if its worth it for me. Thanks for explaining!
Looks like I won't be going higher than 2.0
There really isnt any need to unless there is some world changing feature. I am torn because I do cover Clip stuff here. I work a lot and dont really have time to learn something new. We'll see how it goes.
Hmm, I think I will stick with Krita.
I wanted to ask for some clarification. If we got the perpetual license and not the update pass. Will there be any updates at all rolled out over time at all? If not, that's completely ridiculous. I often swap between Adobe(company paid) and CSP(I own 1.x) and refuse to pay for another subscription.
No feature updates. That is exactly the problem. You either pay the sub or wait for 3.0 and pony up money again. 2.0, 3.0 or whatever is just a softer way to say annual. Every year there will be a paid update but if you want 2.1, 2.2, etc, you have to pay some sort of sub. Either the annual pay or just pay the monthly sub and skip the perpetual version.
Ridiculously confusing. Obviously this is a creep to a subscription based product like Mother Adobe. Such a shame. I actually was looking at purchasing Clip Studio Paint Pro, for the first time, today. I was not familiar with this software but was reading such good reviews today and decided to look into it. But that’s out the window now. After leaving Adobe I have been using Procreate and the Affinity suite. You are absolutely correct, this is a slow creep towards the subscription model of Adobe products. I abandoned Adobe when they went that route and have no intention of supporting another software company that makes the artists perpetually pay to use their product. I suspect that most average artists with who have been using Clip Studio will turn to other great software such as Affinity Photo/Designer and Procreate and turn away from this company who seems to be thumbing it’s nose at it’s loyal users. Good luck Celsys, but I think you will be sorry. Honestly I am surprised that Adobe has gotten away with this for so long. If this is their plan I would love to see this company slowly dwindle away as artists wise up and reject subscription based art programs.
Adobe is unique because of the corporate customers. Celesys is wildly popular in Japan who will just pay it. They don’t care about us old customers because they aren’t getting revenue out of it. I’d pay, but just a one time fee with no removal of features to charge me an update pass. Agree on the sun model too but people will just pay it.
welp, looks like i'm sticking with the 1.13.2 version of my CSP...
I am still on that version as well. I could be tempted if at the end of their cycle they do a buy 2.0 and get 3.0 for free. They have already said no upgrade from 1.x to 3.0...
@@CreateNowSleepLater I’m currently happy with the one I have right now. (When i tried to download 2.0 I realized it was a huge scam and immediately uninstalled it) I bet if everyone boycotts the 2.0 update, Celsys (might) get rid of the subscription model that’s going on…
I doubt it. They spent considerable amount of time and money to build all the systems to support it. Now the investors are calling the shots and all they care about is money. Best bet is avoid any annual pass and jump back in if/when they make the yearly version worth it. I’m sure that’s why they won’t let you upgrade from 1.X to 3.0. They literally thought of every scenario to make sure they milk every dime. Unfortunately most of my fellow content creators bent the knee and when they reviewed 2.0, they skip the anti consumer tactics.
im lost, i really dont get it, all this videos say it's horrible but i dont get why, so if you buy you 1 you will get 2, and if you want more you pay the update pass? what if i dont? dang... i just bught it a few months ago, i should have researched more.
The issue is the license you just bought used to be a lifetime license which included updates. Now it’s either a sub or an annual pass. If you want updates with the annual pass, you need a different sub called the update pass. Otherwise, you just pay up for the next annual update which is really all the updates they came out with the year before.
I'm still confused at what the perpetual license offers
Think of it this way. Each time you buy a perpetual version (e.g., 2.0, 3.0) you get whatever features it has at release and nothing else. No new features.
@@CreateNowSleepLater so basically just 1.0 but a different name
@@mascot1063 It adds those features I mentioned in the video but yep, you're done after that. Clip is now an annual upgrade any way you look at it. Then if you want the additional features right away, its one of two sub models they have. Ridiculous. The key being if you stop paying for the sub, you revert back to the last perpetual version you bought. Its awful.
@@CreateNowSleepLater sad thing is I wouldn't even mind paying for different features like dlc
The update pass might work for you then. Essentially it’s a sub for features. The down size is, unlike dlc, when you stop paying, you lose those features which is ridiculous.
2:59 you said there are apps that do this. I was kinda curious which apps.
Look up an app called Handy. Its basically a pose reference for hands.
I am dissapointed, I hate it
I know, me too. My advice is if you don’t need the new features, your current clip will work just fine. If you feel inclined, you can just buy it again when you feel like it’s enough to justify it. I’m torn because I do content on Clip and I work full time so I can just learn another program. It’s not the money for me, it’s the principle but I’m trying to grow this channel beyond reviews. I don’t want to cut off my nose to spite my face but we’ll see.
This is not that complicated.
"Why would you give recent purchasers a free upgrade"
Answer: Because why would someone buy a program when they could wait a month for a new version.
"You have to buy every version"
No, you'll be able to ignore version 2 but if you decide you want version 3, it's going to be full price.
"It'll be cheaper to do the sub"
Yeah, if you want every single update.
This isn't new. It's not unordinary. This business model has been around for decades.
I’m not sure what part you disagree with. Even as you captured what I said, they are true statements. You might not have a problem with it and that’s fine but that doesn’t make it untrue. My stance is I would pay for an upgrade. The separation of “new features” is complete greed and no one has done this. In fact, filmora tried to kill off their perpetual lifetime users but their user base flipped out and they reversed it. I’ve never seen in my life that you buy software, for example Davinci resolve. You get version 18. You don’t pay again until 19. You don’t pay for 18.2. That’s the problem.
Uhh hi, so is it better to buy PRO Upgrade to Ver. 2.0 (one-time purchase) or PRO Update Pass? @-@ i am still kinda confused and not sure which is more profitable... Like i've bought one time purchase previous version and if i buy the upgrade to 2.0 will i have the access to those features like You described from 2:20 ?
In either case, you will get the 2.0 feature updates. The pass is a sub so you will get all new features as well AS LONG as you keep paying. The negative about the pass is they revert you back to whatever version you least paid for.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Ahh okay thanks a lot!
So even if i purchased the liscence i can't get this new update for free ? REALLY ?
Imagine Buying a game AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THE UPDATE FOR FREE and i'm not talking about DLC i'm talking about the actually update
You must be new here. Clip was a lifetime license. The only thing new is a few new features which is the way it’s always been. It’s not a complete overhaul.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Damn it
well thanks for the clearification (me french bad english)
I...I still dont get it. Thanks for the valiant effort tho.
Which part?
We gonna find a way to just use the old one $$$$ it
If it gets out of hand, there will always be cracks of these types of software. Obviously wouldn't want to be supportive of that either, but why pay sub when we all thought it was supposed to be a one-time purchase?
I'm afraid we have to accept this reality. It's known that people tend to go the path of least resistance, and this just paying for the program. CSP is done for.
The chances are, even with piracy they will make tons of money. People arent really understanding that its an annual model even without the sub. One way or another, they are getting paid yearly.
@@CreateNowSleepLater So? There is nothing we can do about it. Just saying, even with that subscription model, at least there will probably be alternative ways out there to get this or similar software. I paid once, and I don't think I want to pay again.
It's always this way. I saw a lot of people complain, but in the end, they cave in because actually boycotting them would be too much of a hassle. Nothing is surprising about this.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Alright, you're probably misinterpreting when I said "CSP is done for". It's really not. It was just a personal statement. I have lost all respect for CSP. It's unfortunate, but everything stays being disappointing anyways.
@@virtuosyc Yeah it sucks all the way around
You got issue paying $2 a month for software? That's way better than Adobe or Maya!!!!
I have issues they don’t even have names for yet. Least of which is rewarding anti-consumer tactics. Also, wait until they jack the price next year.
Imma just go back to pen and paper tbh hell I'll start animation with pen and paper fuck that
One think to keep in mind is your 1.X version will still work. Just keep using it. The only feature I think is good is the liquify on multiple layers which is something they shouldn’t have charged for. The rest of it, they can have it.
I Hate this.
Yes. It’s clear they have no intention of going back.
Why are you telling people that the Update Pass is $28.99 a MONTH when that is the yearly cost? It's $28.99 a YEAR for the pass, when at 11:40 you keep saying it is that per month.
Your video is very much trying to mislead people about the overall cost, in order to get them to switch to subscription? The Upgrade Passes are NOT a monthly charge.
Or I just misspoke. I’ll look at it later and add it to the description and comments.
@@CreateNowSleepLater you RANTED about it, mentioning it several times. That isn't a, "Oh, I said the wrong thing right at that timestamp," that's misleading users in order to cause drama. It's BS.
I'm home now, I meant for 12 months and I literally have a slide up directly with all the pricing directly from their slide. Anyone with basic reading comprehension can see it on screen. Now the single device IS a monthly charge. Im watching the entire video just because you said that I keep saying it. I even made the point that the update pass + discounted perpetual update is more than the sub which is true. $71.99 (SUB) is less than perpetual ($56.99 + $28.99=85.98). I covered the compromise they made and even explained it. Plus, as opposed to the ranting you mentioned, I highlighted all the 2.0 announced features. How exactly am I misleading people? I took all their slides, made my own and presented 4 different Celesy web pages in a 14 minute video. What exactly are you so angry about?
So just for you I added this to the description:
⭐@11:32 - $25 bucks a month should be year (but I was being sarcastic)
⭐@11:45 - $28.99 a month instead of year
Beyond that, I just did the math for you. Nothing I said in the video was inaccurate. The only other videos on YT talking about this are NOT showing the actual information right from Celeys which I used for the entire video. So for a factual, documented review of the license model, plus a pro review of their new features, what exactly is your problem? You were so focused on raging out, you didn't bother to add the math up which is the point. This is anti-consumer, it is a total push to sub and the perpetual by itself is now a yearly upgrade WITH an additional pass to have everything. What part of my video does not represent this?
It's sad to see that a lot of users are swallowing this punch in the face by celcys just using fancy wording to make their plans seem not anti-consumer.
The whole "license for 1 device" thing sucked enough in 1.x but I can understand why they'd do that. Paying double for updates, however, is complete nonsense.
PS: I'm even sadder now that I've realized that when I inevitably upgrade to another computer my legit CSP 1 license will be dead with no way to transfer it.
I didn’t recall them saying that about 1.X. They said you can still use your old version until it dies. I hope users don’t upgrade. The new features are not worth paying for. If you have 1.X, no one has to pay a dime unless sone life altering feature comes out.
@@CreateNowSleepLater Here's the thing. It's not a new change. CSP licenses are linked to computers, not accounts - which made sense back in the day. However this means that if the machine you linked your license to dies, then that license dies as well.
@@insomniostudios4359 Ugh. I did not know this. That makes it even worse. CSP should have a system like TVPaint where you can transfer the license from one computer to another as often as you prefer. (only use the license on one computer at a time , but there is no limit however many times you want to transfer the license between different computers)
If I recall, when it was 2 installs per license, it would disable the software oldest device (overwrite) license. This prevented people from abusing the license but also presented that problem. I also think support could clear active registrations.
@@CreateNowSleepLater I have a friend who uses the same CSP licence in two different machines. Something i do recall from the EULA when bought it, is that you could have it in 2 computers, but if celcys gets to find out that it is not the owner who is using the program (aka sharing your license), then they would invalidate it.
That however, leads to another question: Are we able to use our licences in case have only used it once before, now that CSP 2 is out and a lot of drastic changes have been made to their revenue system?
I think we're blowing this out of proportion? We have the option to just be like, "oh, I don't like that pricing model, I'll just not support this product :)", instead of raising emotions to 100. But I guess that's just internet culture. So I think the main crux of the issue is that this isn't an American company and they don't conduct their business the same way. America is so used to feeding the hungry voices of their entitled consumers that people think that's how life is? It's really not though. And that's not to say that what CSP is doing is okay. But personally, as long as it's cheaper than Adobe I'm okay with it. It is convoluted, which is frustrating, but I don't need the drama. If it works for my budget, I'll support it. If not, I'll find something else. Easy peasy.
I think thats fair. It depends also what kind of tools you need. When Clip was known as Manga Studio, I don't even think Krita was a thing. There are a number of people that have options that will work for them. My point is not that they should never charge people money. Obviously, they have a business to run and growth targets. The point of both of these videos was to finally sum up the facts, the roadmap etc. so it was clear. I tried to balance it by showing the features which I think are good and even offer the way I would have gone about it. Thanks for watching!
No no, it’s artists like their product, liked that they had a one time purchase and now they’re scrapping it. The maaaaajor reason I went to csp is because it had a one time pay.
Switching to the sub based pay means if you stop paying you loose what you’ve been paying for. Even if you’ve spent 100$ upon 100$ for years of subscription it’s gone if you stop paying.
I wanted a one time pay because ps is over priced and if I were to stop a subscription I loose all the money I put into it. Even though their updates you pay 29$ a month for (for just the one program) is minuscule and just a bug update. Csp has been. Better but I loved the one time pay system and they’re scrapping it. I even have a degree in digital communication and design along with years of illustration practice… csp has been nice but… a subscription based payment system is a huge scam.
Alright... Feeding the voices of your consumers used to be called customer service no matter what country you reside in. There absolutely IS SOMETHING wrong with this business practice.
When software started, you bought the software it is your to do what you want with. I f I had three pcs, I could put my copy of windows on all of them. Then people started saying how many licenses you had to put it on your PC. Then they started to say, actually you aren't buying it anymore you are renting it. Now you are renting the upgrades too???? This is a slippery slope.
The issue is the licensing not the price. If I buy Version 2.0, I should get ALL of 2.0 through 2.9 not 10% of 2.0 and then TEMPORARILY rent the other 90% ( 2.1 - 2.9 ). This keeps a company honest. Why are people so eager to rent hypothetical upgrades that are most likely not even useful? That is not how cost vs worth is evaluated. If Celsys releases CSP 2.0 I then look at the features of 2.0 and decide if it is worth it. In it's current form it's not. It might be with upgrades, I have no idea yet. Once they come out I reevaluate. Once 3.0 comes out I can reevaluate again. The point is I get to see what the upgrade is THEN decide if I think it is worth my money. Subscriptions are pre-renting upgrades that might not be. How the hell is that attractive?
I guess morons will buy anything... For me there are too many alternatives, I have 9 on my PC right now that you can get for anywhere from 40$ to FREE... Even if I just had to have CSP.... Ahoy matey!
I rant because I liked there company / there product, I hoped they would see that what they are doing is anti-consumer, and in the end WILL hurt them. They will get a bump in the short term. As people learn other software, they will switch away and go to something else.
Agreed. Someone finally gets the point I’m trying to make. This is a nickel and dime model designed to pull revenue from its users over and over.
It's a company. They need to make money. Why is this a surprise? So they don't have the best PR dept. So what? Get over it!
You might not feel that way when you have to at minimum pay an annual upgrade. Maybe that doesn’t impact you but money is tight these days for people. I’m on record saying I am fine with a one-time upgrade. Taking all the 1.X users and charging them again would have been a huge revenue spike for them. If you look at the update pass, it’s the cheapest route. That’s my point, it’s a push to a sub model no matter how you look at it.
It is always morally correct to pirate from companies who have no good will whatsoever to their customers.
This is a scam..I'm gonna stick to Ver. 1.xx as long as I can.. 🥲
Yeah. It’s a rope a dope plan. So anti-consumer.