I wanted to edit a photo so I tried a 2 week trial of Photoshop and forgot to cancel. They tried to charge me like a hundred bucks so I charged back and removed payment method. Don't just let them get away with it, just cancel the payment. They won't even ban you, they'd be happy to take your money again if you ever go back.
I tried some AWS service briefly when cloud9 was purchased by Amazon. I’ve been getting billed ever since, couple of years now, but I just refuse to pay and am too lazy to take the time to cancel. The whole onboarding was so confusing that I didn’t even realise I would get billed, so I feel like it’s a them problem.
I forgot to cancel my 2 week trial of Adobe Reader. A one year subscription started without my consent, making me pay 15€ every time. When I go to my account settings to cancel the subscription, 90€ will be charged immediately. What the hell.
@@einfachfejzo yeah it’s messed up. I saw the same thing so instead of canceling on adobe I logged into my payment provider to cancel payment. I used PayPal, but should be able to block payment for CC too. Adobe removed the cancel fee charge from my account and I never had to pay that.
I've been an Adobe user since 1988 as an illustrator & designer. I've bought their full license software so many times over the years. As soon as they went subscription based, they haven't had a penny from me.
@@d3stinYwOw I wish. No non-destructive editing alone makes it non-contender. I agree that people overvalue PS and undervalue gimp, but there are few features that real editor actually needs (and I'm glad gimp will be getting them :-))
I used to do this for years... And it made me stuck and used to it, so now I pay for it since I make most of my money off it. If you can, don't get stuck ;)
I used to work in graphic design. I cannot overstate how much better Affinity Designer is than Illustrator and anything else that Adobe has. Affinity Designer is literally the perfect piece of software...
@@Anastasiabruno as someone working professionaly with Adobe and Affinity privately, Affinity photo has missing many new great features (smart and AI features), it isn't that good for retouching and masking, PS is just faster to use. I don't use Illustrator and Indesign nowadays that much, but from what I use I feel like Designer and Publisher are just as good or better. Take this with a grain of salt as I am not sure what features Adobe added to those 2 in the last year or so
You forgot one important bit about Affinity, which I think is great: You purchase your one license and you're still able and fully allowed to install/use it on multiple computers, even at the same time, as long as they're all owned by you. Have you ever checked how many background services Adobe installs, even if you've got an older perpetual license, just to make sure you don't do "bad" things?
I think the best way Affinity can keep their promise whilst being profitable and keeping everyone happy is if they added an optional patreon-style "supporter" subscription on top of their perpetual license. One idea would be offering an optional monthly subscription to support the development, and in return get early access to upcoming features and other goodies. And if you decide to cancel, you can still use your perpetual licenses like you used to.
I don't see this happening, it doesn't really fit with the 'professional' they are targeting. From the way he framed this video, they might be able to do something like "hey we're hiking the price 50%, we wanted to go faster so we hired 10 more devs and need some money" Maybe I'm an optimist, but personally I think this kind of brutal honesty could be effective for a company like this
@@bodi.mp3 blender is actually entirely supported through things like this. It's completely open source so the only way they get paid is through donations and other avenues
I've used Affinity for a long time. I'm not even really a designer. I just occasionally need a way to adjust and export images. I fucking love it. Great software and great deal.
We used affinity for school projects and it completely carried my GCSE Imedia test so much. I so nearly bought it and when I get a bit more money I totally am gonna get it now
Lets just hope they don't shift the goalposts year by year. Canva and Affinity are both things I use all the time in our line of work, but its still scary when you look back at Adobe's acquisitions over the decades and their shift to a subscription model after basically permeating through the industry and education systems.
Honestly, they will. Every single time I've seen this happen, they end up betraying everyone eventually. Seriously, I have a lot of examples, I'd love to hear examples where this was not the case.
For now, Canva is a private company so there is reason to believe that they won't do anything predatory for a long amount of time. But if they ever go public, excpet Affinity to get the same treatment as Adobe.
@@marcuskissinger3842 Depends on who runs the company, some people are in for the long run, public company investors always want the quick buck at the cost of the product's clients
@@marcuskissinger3842They aren't beholden to shareholders demanding growth every year. *If* Canva has smart and competent leadership, they should be able to think long-term and focus on improving their software instead of being blinded by greed.
Affinity designer is my go-to vector design software, and I absolutely love it. The number of new features they're always adding just makes a good deal greater.
gonna be honest, GIMP has served me well for over 10 years now. Haven't found a feature that I need that GIMP doesn't have. Plus I'm learning new stuff all the time about it.
i hate when there's only 1 dominating everything. Autodesk same story manufacturing software cnc etc, mac side lacks almost completely. there are massive holes in the industry in many huge areas
This video makes me realize the creators struggle between giving their honest opinion and salvaging a deal they’re still pursuing with the carcass of a great company.
I have no need for this software (currently), but man Theo, if I did, this would have really sold me on this. You can really see genuine appreciation for their work throughout this video.
I use Affinity for a while and I love it. I could not afford Adobe PS with all of the charges and I needed it on three machines at the same time. I went with Affinity and love it. Glad to see others love it too.
Theo mentions in the beginning that Adobe's big advantage is in integrating all their software together. Good alternatives to Photoshop, Primiere, etc. already exist, this acquisition doesn't change that. To really compete, it stands to reason that Canva has a lot more to buy.
Adobe on macOS also feels like malware. Try monitoring its network activity, it sends a lot of data to their servers every few minutes even if all their software including the launcher are shut down.
Adobe on any platform IS malware! They’ve got you by the nuts and there’s nothing you can do about it. You want their products, you have to install their licensing software and it spends the rest of eternity spying on you whilst you pay handsomely for the privilege…
The part about Creative Cloud that drives me batty is that it wants to be running all the time. Which I might not even mind if it were just a faceless background app, keeping my software up-to-date and staying out of my way, but it’s more like a popup ad, jumping up in my face, trying to get me to give them more money, and constantly taking a spot on my menu bar. Unfortunately, the one part of Affinity’s suite that is worse than Adobe’s is that they’re even worse about not following macOS interface conventions and not using standard macOS APIs. I never realized how often I use the filename in the window titlebar - to rename, to move the file, to open the containing folder, just to check where the heck I saved this because it’s not where I thought it was or I’m worried I’m accidentally working on a duplicate/backup - until I started using Affinity Designer and Publisher. And with v2 they’ve taken away the ability to have a proper window-per-document interface, instead forcing us into a very MSWindows-like application frame with weirdly-contained document windows. While Adobe has been favoring that style of UI since…was it CS3?, even they still give you the option of working with a separate window for each document. And there are other little things like that that are constant annoyances with Affinity on macOS.
@@DonoVideoProductions Great suggestion, used it for years. Another suggestion which I what I switched to after Little Snitch: LuLu by Objective-See, it's free and it works great.
The most important thing to point out, besides price is that Affinity really fit beginners who can purchase one soft at a time, and evolve their library along with their interest or just drop everything while keeping very good softwares.
Canva is so intuitive it just keeps improving I can create fast and iterate with lightning speed they can easily upcharge but they haven't and I'm so grateful
I'm conflicted because typically good companies that make good software and actually treats its users well getting bought up means... they reached their goal. They got their user base, sold out for a big pot, and now it's up to the new company who paid for it to churn that for as much profit as they can to make their investment worthwhile. These corporate buyouts tend to be a sign of enshittification on the horizon. Maybe in the distance, but eventually.
considering canva also implements ai into their design usage, i have no doubt they'll take affinity in the same direction adobe's products have gone. not sure why so many are celebrating this buy out lol
To me, Canva:Photoshop::Google Docs:Word. Growing up in the 90s, as a student, it was criminal that we were expected to turn in typed essays for school when we didn’t have money to shell out for expensive software. Google Docs were a godsend. And inevitably Word became free too. I hope this all leads to more success for Canva. And I hope Adobe learns from this to turn around their user experience.
Been a fan of Affinity for a long time now, and I'm certainly glad to see such news! Can't wait to see what kind of new features will be added thanks to this!
This video has made me feel better about the acquisition. I will still probably remain cynical until I see that they actually deliver on their promises, just as a defense mechanism, because I've been burned before, but I'm hoping for the best!
When I started down my train of studying fine art, after being a developer for years, I wanted to know what artists needed. Turns out our base needs have never been fully met, and it takes a long time to figure out how to do basic things; yet, we are just charged out the ass for old interfaces to old tech repackaged for the web. I've spent years being a student, and an actual artist (painter|Illustrator), I've spent tons of time with designers and animators collecting what they want and where the shortcomings are. From both the programmer/artist's perspective, there is a lot of room to innovate.
Using now affinity for several months. I think affinity is not just cheaper but better than adobe for me. It has the essential features I use but much simpler to understand. For me, as I don't use such software every day, this is really a value.
My professor is trying to punish me for using Canva rather than photoshop. Not gonna happen. She’s outdated in her thinking and I’m not going to allow her to grade people who work smarter against that
Why not use affinity then? Your teacher has a point, If you're trying to be a professional designer, you won't be taken seriously using canva exclusively. It's missing lots of advanced features. Then again, if you're only doing a comms or marketing course, you shouldn't be punished for using canva.
I am working with the Adobe suite because it is what the company uses. Since I am one of the company photographers, I use Lightroom and Photoshop primarily. And so far, there is no (and I mean absolutely no) competition for it. The catalog feature are THE most useful thing ever for managing photos. And the editing functions are really good. So far, none of the other options I looked at has ticked all the right boxes for me. And that is sad. Because I think Affinity Photo is a really hot contender as far as replacing PS goes. If there was a solution that is on par with what Lightroom has, especially with its catalog functions, I would switch over in a heartbeat.
Agreed. Especially with generative fill. Not because “I wAnNa mAkE Ai aRt!” But because it has IMMENSE practical uses that have made things that used to take ages take literally seconds.
I'm still using Adobe software for now, but have been keeping a close eye on the alternatives. I see a pretty exciting future where no one is forced to use Adobe apps at all!
Canva itself is actually surprisingly good, I've been trying it out lately and am really pleased with it so to see affinity added is just icing on the cake
Read something in the forums. They'd need to be sure they'd be able to sell at least 300k licenses for them to port their software to Linux. They could not afford to port the software if they sell any less.
From what you have shown me and I’ve seen I believe they have a video editor in the works. I’m definitely going to be purchasing this on my next paycheck. This is incredible.
Listen, I hate Adobe as much as anyone else. But GIMP sucks, I absolutely hate using it. I just kind of have to hope and pray for Affinity Photo to come to Linux, or Photopea to make a local offline app and to be shipped as a Flatpak
GIMP sucks for the creative part. But, like Fiji (ImageJ), it has a place in the toolbox. Ie, something that you need to script hard and/or needs a great plugin that exists. PS has that over Photo, scripting has been around since like... 7 at least. In fact, that IS one of Adobe's major strengths in the "pro arena", because they've had scripting for a LONG time all across, and entire workflows are built on that. AE in particular can be "abused" in a pretty insane manner. Not Avisynth insane, but insane nonetheless. Wonder if their "debugger" improved since CS6, that was the part that sucked bad.
For other open source software, if it's purely for photo editing I recommend Darktable as a Lightroom replacement and if you need other design tools I've seen people prefer Krita. Krita is primarily a program for digital art but they have enough tools and you can also use it for standard photo editing.
Specifically what do you have a problem with? It's fine for my use case of editing photos, vector and pixel art. But I do use Krita for drawing and now pixel art.
@@NicCrimson Let me put it like this. Can you do fine creative work in MS Paint? Yes. Is it a good experience? No. That sums up GIMP as a creative tool. Heck, you can find an old PS7 in some trash bin and for the most part, it will still feel better than GIMP, because the basic tooling has been pretty much the same since like forever, and pretty much better since as long. Now, as part of a creative PROCESS does GIMP have lot of value? Yes... p.s. You can leverage the same points at Inkscape. Illustrator will feel better for creative work, Corel Draw will feel better for precision work. And "how good it feels" becomes VERY important if you have to spend all day with something. And the opposite, if you're forced into using something that you hate all day everyday, you know what hell feels like...
I use vector-based software to create cutting machine patterns (I started with CNC plasma tables). I need an affordable way to create vector files and export them to a DXF file and I don't want a bunch of other software to haul around on my computer -- but it is nice to have something on the iPad. Affinity has just given me everything I need. I also have a Canva subscription so I've been hoping that works out. Your video has just given me more confidence that the future looks bright. Thank you for making sense.
I got burned hard by Adobe's pricing model years ago, and since I wasn't really a professional I just... kind of gave up on that space. I can draw, I can do things by hand, so I shifted what I do to lean into those skills and away from fancy software rather than give any more blood to that vampire. But damn, I wish I'd known about Affinity. I am kind of curious about the products themselves, though I'm not sure how much use I'd have for them anymore. But I am super psyched at the thought of anything that can give Abode a kick in the teeth.
Thanks Theo, I had no idea this software existed and I have been looking for a Photoshop alternative for a while now because Adobe's pricing is just insane.
I've been using Affinity for 5 years and agree that it is extremely affordable. I miss some of the filters Adobe has and think there's room for improvement from Affinity there. I've never been a huge Canva fan, so I guess we'll just have to see if Photo, Designer and Publisher stick around. Oh, and the fact that the iPad apps are just as good as the desktop ones is amazing.
Buying Capture One outright means you own the current version, but don't get future updates or bug fixes. Could be an issue if you get new camera equipment often.
I needed to design a logo recently and swore I wouldn't go back to Adobe, I found Affinity and was so happy! Figured it out well enough and made the logo and it turned out great.
If you compare it to other web services commonly used by ordinary consumers it is not that expensive either. Taking into consideration that they often solve a unique problem, sometime giving access to exclusive stock photos is not that expensive.
@@championn.werd10x because companies are just a necessary evil. We can't live without them, and they abuse this dependency by making insane pricing models. Greed is really the worst sin.
I own Affinity an use it daily. I laid out my last four books on it, including our best-seller "Agatha Christie, She Watched." I even bought their upgrade. And I dumped my Vegas Pro for Davinci Resolve (and I'm a noob when it comes to video editing) so I could edit my podcasts. I even made a 3-minute introduction to my wife's lecture using clips from Christie movies, and it looks like something a beginning video editor would create (and if you knew me, that's a compliment).
automated/assisted matting mask generation is something that Adobe gave us a new tool for every major release for the entire 90s and early 2000s. And they still didn't make it much easier than what a skilled PShop user could do with the wand, lasso and quickmask paint/erase tools.
You are just plain wrong. This is a terrible acquisition. I know you want to maintain some sense of positivity about it, but canva is a company that puts subscription based paywalls all over their product. The reason I love affinity is because of its licensing style. Subscription pay modeling is a drug and canva is an addict. Affinity will be subscription based soon enough.
Bitch but they dont get money to get the competition going, your favourite software is of no use if it fucking dies. Unless your dad has unlimited money funding the company they def need constant cash flow.
Lifetime access pricing is sometimes deceptive. This is because the company makes the next major version/change of the software have a different name. This allows them to charge for the new software program even though it is really functionally similar to the prior program.
I have seven more months of my Adobe Creative Cloud subscription. Because of the price, I’ve decided to go ahead and buy Affinity so I can start learning it. I also own a Canva subscription because I’m also crafty that way. Canva’s background erase is the BEST!
If you want to get out of Adobe Creative Cloud, do what I did. I swapped out my plan to incopy because it was a much cheaper subscription, then I ended up cancelling that plan. So now I'm getting a refund for this month instead of paying the £56 odd quid I would have paid to cancel. 😂
I like your video. It's more positive than some other videos I've watched. I've had no choice but to cancel Adobe today before being pulled into another year subscription. I missed the sale but honestly I'm also sceptical about the Canva purchase. Effectively they are not merging but have bought Affinity, so Canva has the say about everything. A pledge is not a legally binding contract and can be changed any time. Canva already has the majority of users bewteen the 2 companies so I'm sure they won't care if people leave and go back to Adobe or other alternatives. You will just have more non-professionals taking over the design space with Canva. I'm purchasing the Affinity suit this week but once a subscription is added I'll be heading back to Adobe. (Not just for Photoshop but other programs as well). Let's cross fingers you are right about everything 😊
Well you just convinced me to buy a Universal license! I grew up on Adobe products (Dreamworks, PS, Flash) and over the last decade plus, have soured on their products and associated costs. I have switched over to using a suite of open source offerings but they are far from perfect. I had never heard of Affinity, how I don’t know because this is the exact thing I have been hoping and looking for! I have heard of Canva and like you said, never associated it with professional design, this is a smart move. This is also the first video of yours I have watched and I was an instant subscriber! It’s refreshing to hear someone actually do some critical thinking on something like this where many would rather complain. All of the things you said about the acquisition make complete sense and I think you made a very convincing case as to why this acquisition makes sense for both parties and can still benefit the consumer. All this to say, love the video, think I’m going to love the software, and this was an A+ video! Thanks from a new happy fan and sub❤
I am still salty about Apple discontinuing Aperture. It is such a well-designed program. I still have my photo library in Aperture on an old Mac because no migration path out of it is lossless. (Moving to Photos or Lightroom keeps all the originals as well as the edited renders, but you lose the not-baked-in adjustments.)
Canva is a big part of the reason Adobe are pushing hard into the AI space. To compete with them. If they can integrate clipart/stock and AI into the core workflow of their suite, it means that non-artist creators can still make things. That broadens the potential customer base. Personally, I don't trust Canva not to take the scummy route, coz they're kinda already going in that direction with AI integration.
Tbf, if affinity started a monthly donation plan or something to get people who genuenly like the software a way to continuously support the company, that would be good too i think
What-ya-talking-'bout? It was always Adobe vs Corel. Corel is still around but Adobe bought customers, hooking them in to products long term, so Corel is quieter than you might expect.
Thank you for doing this video. I've been using Adobe since '93 and have bought it numerous times. I have been looking for a real alternative for a very long time. I will check it out.
I've hated Adobe for YEARS, even though all I mainly ever used was PS and sometimes Premier (I used Vegas Pro for videos usually). Then I changed my OS to Linux and couldn't use Adobe at all anymore, and have been trying out stuff to make my own alternatives. Resolve is incredible and while I'm still new to it it blows Premier out of the water. PS alts on Linux are harder, but I can get by with GIMP for most stuff I do. GIMP does need some help with some tools though like the selection tool. IDK why but it just cannot even hold a candle to PS for that one tool :(
@@bersK00 Krita is geared towards digital artists of which I am not, lol. Plus I've been on GIMP for like 5 years now. The UI really isn't bad, just different, plus there's always PhotoGIMP which makes the UI and shortcuts match Photoshop
Be aware that Adobe was also a one off payment once. This is a company, not your friend. Affinity isn’t your girlfriend, it’s a paid tool that would go subscription model the second it saw blood in the water.
my girlfriend also went subscription model (betrayed me) by ghosting me so I'm not all that worried about some company doing the same. there'll always be another
Thank you for sharing this news. I’m sure I will be making this switch when the time of my “Adobe contract” comes to an end. 5 years of over paying for a tool. Enough is enough.
If you think just because it says for lifetime it’s for life, you’re delusional. So many one time payment for lifetime services have changed their TOS to a monthly or annual subscription. They just stop supporting the lifetime subscription by coming out with a new update or something like that.
The perpetual license structure with a discount to upgrade to a new major version is one of the things that kept me using Vegas Pro for so long. It was only a switch to Linux that stopped me using Vegas Pro because it wasn't supported. I ended up learning DaVinci Resolve because it's free, at least for a personal user. If affinity ever makes a Linux package for their software, I will buy it immediately. No questions asked. Even if I keep using GIMP and Inkscape as my primary photo tools.
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Thanks! Its just 80,99 € now ! Definetly buying now
so this was the comment which recommended me this video after 3 fkin months
all my homies use Affinity
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I wanted to edit a photo so I tried a 2 week trial of Photoshop and forgot to cancel. They tried to charge me like a hundred bucks so I charged back and removed payment method. Don't just let them get away with it, just cancel the payment. They won't even ban you, they'd be happy to take your money again if you ever go back.
I tried some AWS service briefly when cloud9 was purchased by Amazon. I’ve been getting billed ever since, couple of years now, but I just refuse to pay and am too lazy to take the time to cancel.
The whole onboarding was so confusing that I didn’t even realise I would get billed, so I feel like it’s a them problem.
I forgot to cancel my 2 week trial of Adobe Reader. A one year subscription started without my consent, making me pay 15€ every time. When I go to my account settings to cancel the subscription, 90€ will be charged immediately. What the hell.
@@einfachfejzo yeah it’s messed up. I saw the same thing so instead of canceling on adobe I logged into my payment provider to cancel payment. I used PayPal, but should be able to block payment for CC too. Adobe removed the cancel fee charge from my account and I never had to pay that.
Use one-time virtual cards for such scumbags.
They did the same to me... I paid...
I've been an Adobe user since 1988 as an illustrator & designer. I've bought their full license software so many times over the years. As soon as they went subscription based, they haven't had a penny from me.
Every good software is going subscription based. It's so frustrating.
@@LongDeadArtist "you will own nothing"
Me too. I'm still using CS6 Master collection. Will NEVER support rentware. Ever.
@@spawel1 and we will pirate everything
@@spawel1You know what they say, if buying isn't owning...
Supporting Affinity is a must. As well, as OSS alternatives like Krita, GIMP, Inkscape and more. More variety the better.
Affinity works well on Wine too. If they would make a native Linux version, that would be insane, and amazing.
Gimp getting 3.0 this year. Finally there will be good OSS PS alternative.
It was a good alternative to PS few years ago. People were too focused on PS.
@@d3stinYwOw I wish. No non-destructive editing alone makes it non-contender. I agree that people overvalue PS and undervalue gimp, but there are few features that real editor actually needs (and I'm glad gimp will be getting them :-))
@@iFlxy how did you manage to work this out? I've been trying Linux for the past couple of months, and every program but the Affinity Suite works.
It is always morally correct to pirate Adobe softwares
it's morally even better to support their competitors.
Not really, Because that is wht helps them keep their quasi monopoly. If you can, use an alternative software, like Krita.
Adobe is making it harder and harder unfortunately
This is the way
I used to do this for years... And it made me stuck and used to it, so now I pay for it since I make most of my money off it.
If you can, don't get stuck ;)
Adobe's first competition was piracy.
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best way to use it and the only way lol
@@shikhamaitra8769 Adobe fresco
@@arcanep how to pirate it? dont want a virus lmao
@@rotpasta2644filecr or getintopc, but I wouldn’t really recommend getintopc because I got a virus from it.
I used to work in graphic design. I cannot overstate how much better Affinity Designer is than Illustrator and anything else that Adobe has. Affinity Designer is literally the perfect piece of software...
As a graphic design student using adobe suite, what did you notice differently 🤔 I’m curious
LOL You know that is not true.
@@AnastasiabrunoI am too and I'm curious about Affinity but I don't know anything about it
@@Anastasiabruno as someone working professionaly with Adobe and Affinity privately, Affinity photo has missing many new great features (smart and AI features), it isn't that good for retouching and masking, PS is just faster to use. I don't use Illustrator and Indesign nowadays that much, but from what I use I feel like Designer and Publisher are just as good or better.
Take this with a grain of salt as I am not sure what features Adobe added to those 2 in the last year or so
if it only would have a lightroom replacement
You forgot one important bit about Affinity, which I think is great: You purchase your one license and you're still able and fully allowed to install/use it on multiple computers, even at the same time, as long as they're all owned by you. Have you ever checked how many background services Adobe installs, even if you've got an older perpetual license, just to make sure you don't do "bad" things?
hope canva makes it right and keep that
Don't be surprised when that changes
@@weevilsnitz It will, its another greedy scum company working together to exploit more people.
Those adobe background services are almost impossible to delete completely, without just wiping your system. Should be illegal.
Affinity has potential. But there's still nothing better than Fireworks on the market.
The PR team and copywriter from Canvas needs a promotion ASAP such a nice well written announcement
Shill away. I just bought the full suite because of this video. Thank you for making me aware of it. Very happy to give Adobe the finger. ❤
Welcome to the occupation brother! 😂
Same, I should have switched a long time ago but I was being lazy and didnt want to learn a new program lol
I'm honestly considering getting the full suite too, gonna look up some vids to check them out cause I've never seen any Affinity apps before 😅
@@ohmeqaThat's not your laziness, that's Adobe's walled garden.
as a Adobe user since the first Macintosh computers e.g. 512K and onwards, very happy to exit the Adobe rent seekers.
Who's here after Adobe's new TOS drop?
I think the best way Affinity can keep their promise whilst being profitable and keeping everyone happy is if they added an optional patreon-style "supporter" subscription on top of their perpetual license. One idea would be offering an optional monthly subscription to support the development, and in return get early access to upcoming features and other goodies. And if you decide to cancel, you can still use your perpetual licenses like you used to.
I could see that working before, but now that they are part of Canva? Would you subscribe to the patron of a big company that is very profitable?
I don't see this happening, it doesn't really fit with the 'professional' they are targeting. From the way he framed this video, they might be able to do something like "hey we're hiking the price 50%, we wanted to go faster so we hired 10 more devs and need some money"
Maybe I'm an optimist, but personally I think this kind of brutal honesty could be effective for a company like this
I think blender does something similar if I’m not mistaken
@@bodi.mp3 blender is actually entirely supported through things like this. It's completely open source so the only way they get paid is through donations and other avenues
Anyone can see the new Affinity features by joining the beta program already thank you very much, we don’t need any changes.
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RECOMMEND KRITA. I hate that people would recommend GIMP but not Krita.
Krita is far better and they deserve the exposure they need
Fr krita my goat
thats because krita is a digital drawing app, not a photo editor
@@deudz So? Photoshop is both. And Krita is getting better at manipulating photos too.
@@deudzi have a hard time distinguishing those two
I've used Affinity for a long time. I'm not even really a designer. I just occasionally need a way to adjust and export images. I fucking love it. Great software and great deal.
Me neither. I own all three, still haven't used Publisher for anything real, but I bought it right on release just to support their efforts.
I bought Affinity & almost never use it, just to support an awesome company.
We used affinity for school projects and it completely carried my GCSE Imedia test so much. I so nearly bought it and when I get a bit more money I totally am gonna get it now
Lets just hope they don't shift the goalposts year by year. Canva and Affinity are both things I use all the time in our line of work, but its still scary when you look back at Adobe's acquisitions over the decades and their shift to a subscription model after basically permeating through the industry and education systems.
Honestly, they will. Every single time I've seen this happen, they end up betraying everyone eventually. Seriously, I have a lot of examples, I'd love to hear examples where this was not the case.
For now, Canva is a private company so there is reason to believe that they won't do anything predatory for a long amount of time. But if they ever go public, excpet Affinity to get the same treatment as Adobe.
@@WhiteOut_RBLXwhy would a private company not have the same interest to make more money?
@@marcuskissinger3842 Depends on who runs the company, some people are in for the long run, public company investors always want the quick buck at the cost of the product's clients
@@marcuskissinger3842They aren't beholden to shareholders demanding growth every year. *If* Canva has smart and competent leadership, they should be able to think long-term and focus on improving their software instead of being blinded by greed.
Davinci Resolve is my go to video editor
Cautiously hopeful here, I love Affinity’s products.
You got the right mindset
I really hope affinity makes a lightroom competitor. It's the only software that time and time again forces me back to adobe.
I've been using an older Corel Paintshop Pro. for more LR functions.
No need to wait .. RawTherapee is super
Affinity designer is my go-to vector design software, and I absolutely love it. The number of new features they're always adding just makes a good deal greater.
gonna be honest, GIMP has served me well for over 10 years now. Haven't found a feature that I need that GIMP doesn't have. Plus I'm learning new stuff all the time about it.
I really hope that Canva keeps their promise.
i hate when there's only 1 dominating everything.
Autodesk same story
manufacturing software cnc etc, mac side lacks almost completely.
there are massive holes in the industry in many huge areas
Yes, monopolies suck.
Revit not being on Mac is criminal
Seems like a you problem for using the hardest platform to develop software for
Its like all The A letter companies suck, autodesk, adobe, apple.... Affi.. no not that
OpenSCAD
This video makes me realize the creators struggle between giving their honest opinion and salvaging a deal they’re still pursuing with the carcass of a great company.
I have no need for this software (currently), but man Theo, if I did, this would have really sold me on this. You can really see genuine appreciation for their work throughout this video.
I use Affinity for a while and I love it. I could not afford Adobe PS with all of the charges and I needed it on three machines at the same time. I went with Affinity and love it. Glad to see others love it too.
Theo mentions in the beginning that Adobe's big advantage is in integrating all their software together. Good alternatives to Photoshop, Primiere, etc. already exist, this acquisition doesn't change that. To really compete, it stands to reason that Canva has a lot more to buy.
Affinity now half-off to take advantage of Adobe customers jumping ship! 💪
Adobe on macOS also feels like malware. Try monitoring its network activity, it sends a lot of data to their servers every few minutes even if all their software including the launcher are shut down.
Adobe on any platform IS malware! They’ve got you by the nuts and there’s nothing you can do about it. You want their products, you have to install their licensing software and it spends the rest of eternity spying on you whilst you pay handsomely for the privilege…
Tbf so is MacOs and Windows basically. Adobe got no excuse at all though
The part about Creative Cloud that drives me batty is that it wants to be running all the time. Which I might not even mind if it were just a faceless background app, keeping my software up-to-date and staying out of my way, but it’s more like a popup ad, jumping up in my face, trying to get me to give them more money, and constantly taking a spot on my menu bar.
Unfortunately, the one part of Affinity’s suite that is worse than Adobe’s is that they’re even worse about not following macOS interface conventions and not using standard macOS APIs.
I never realized how often I use the filename in the window titlebar - to rename, to move the file, to open the containing folder, just to check where the heck I saved this because it’s not where I thought it was or I’m worried I’m accidentally working on a duplicate/backup - until I started using Affinity Designer and Publisher.
And with v2 they’ve taken away the ability to have a proper window-per-document interface, instead forcing us into a very MSWindows-like application frame with weirdly-contained document windows. While Adobe has been favoring that style of UI since…was it CS3?, even they still give you the option of working with a separate window for each document.
And there are other little things like that that are constant annoyances with Affinity on macOS.
Little snitch. Lock down your computer. I do it with all my computers. They never phone home. Ever.
@@DonoVideoProductions Great suggestion, used it for years. Another suggestion which I what I switched to after Little Snitch: LuLu by Objective-See, it's free and it works great.
The most important thing to point out, besides price is that Affinity really fit beginners who can purchase one soft at a time, and evolve their library along with their interest or just drop everything while keeping very good softwares.
Used the entire Affinity suite for years, absolutely goated software. Everything they do is 10/10 🔥🔥
Canva is so intuitive it just keeps improving I can create fast and iterate with lightning speed they can easily upcharge but they haven't and I'm so grateful
I'm conflicted because typically good companies that make good software and actually treats its users well getting bought up means... they reached their goal. They got their user base, sold out for a big pot, and now it's up to the new company who paid for it to churn that for as much profit as they can to make their investment worthwhile.
These corporate buyouts tend to be a sign of enshittification on the horizon. Maybe in the distance, but eventually.
considering canva also implements ai into their design usage, i have no doubt they'll take affinity in the same direction adobe's products have gone. not sure why so many are celebrating this buy out lol
@@batty-bites3185i saw canva also acquired leonardo, which is a bummer. Always downhill after an acquisition :/
Yeah, I automatically start the grieving process any time I see something get bought out and this isn't different in that regard.
"Theo is just a shill"
10:51
LMFAO I scrolled down exactly at that timestamp and this is the first comment I see
@@TheFinnish1Me too LMAO
You beat me to it 😂
Thank you, came looking for this and this only.
To me, Canva:Photoshop::Google Docs:Word.
Growing up in the 90s, as a student, it was criminal that we were expected to turn in typed essays for school when we didn’t have money to shell out for expensive software. Google Docs were a godsend. And inevitably Word became free too.
I hope this all leads to more success for Canva. And I hope Adobe learns from this to turn around their user experience.
Been a fan of Affinity for a long time now, and I'm certainly glad to see such news! Can't wait to see what kind of new features will be added thanks to this!
Affinity, thanks for letting me know I will go and buy that now.
This video has made me feel better about the acquisition. I will still probably remain cynical until I see that they actually deliver on their promises, just as a defense mechanism, because I've been burned before, but I'm hoping for the best!
Damn... I don't even really dabble in any of this and I'm tempted to buy an Affinity license just to support them and their efforts. Screw Adobe.
When I started down my train of studying fine art, after being a developer for years, I wanted to know what artists needed. Turns out our base needs have never been fully met, and it takes a long time to figure out how to do basic things; yet, we are just charged out the ass for old interfaces to old tech repackaged for the web.
I've spent years being a student, and an actual artist (painter|Illustrator), I've spent tons of time with designers and animators collecting what they want and where the shortcomings are. From both the programmer/artist's perspective, there is a lot of room to innovate.
Using now affinity for several months. I think affinity is not just cheaper but better than adobe for me. It has the essential features I use but much simpler to understand. For me, as I don't use such software every day, this is really a value.
My professor is trying to punish me for using Canva rather than photoshop. Not gonna happen. She’s outdated in her thinking and I’m not going to allow her to grade people who work smarter against that
What was the work provided?
she’s right. fuck canva
Why not use affinity then? Your teacher has a point, If you're trying to be a professional designer, you won't be taken seriously using canva exclusively. It's missing lots of advanced features. Then again, if you're only doing a comms or marketing course, you shouldn't be punished for using canva.
Funny my professor actually recommended it as an alternative
@@sirfabyan why? I love their software and decent pricing
I am working with the Adobe suite because it is what the company uses. Since I am one of the company photographers, I use Lightroom and Photoshop primarily. And so far, there is no (and I mean absolutely no) competition for it. The catalog feature are THE most useful thing ever for managing photos. And the editing functions are really good. So far, none of the other options I looked at has ticked all the right boxes for me. And that is sad. Because I think Affinity Photo is a really hot contender as far as replacing PS goes. If there was a solution that is on par with what Lightroom has, especially with its catalog functions, I would switch over in a heartbeat.
Agreed. Especially with generative fill. Not because “I wAnNa mAkE Ai aRt!” But because it has IMMENSE practical uses that have made things that used to take ages take literally seconds.
Have you checked out Darktable as an alternative for Lightroom? If you did how was your experience?
I'm still using Adobe software for now, but have been keeping a close eye on the alternatives.
I see a pretty exciting future where no one is forced to use Adobe apps at all!
Canva itself is actually surprisingly good, I've been trying it out lately and am really pleased with it so to see affinity added is just icing on the cake
Sadly no Linux support 😢
i would have bought it today if it did :(
Yes if they would also support Linux then we would have a real adobe alternative!!!
I will also probably buy it if they introduce native Linux support
Read something in the forums. They'd need to be sure they'd be able to sell at least 300k licenses for them to port their software to Linux. They could not afford to port the software if they sell any less.
Or maybe it was $300k in sales.
Tell your friends who use Linux to write to Serif and Canva. Affinity cannot read their minds.
From what you have shown me and I’ve seen I believe they have a video editor in the works. I’m definitely going to be purchasing this on my next paycheck. This is incredible.
Listen, I hate Adobe as much as anyone else. But GIMP sucks, I absolutely hate using it. I just kind of have to hope and pray for Affinity Photo to come to Linux, or Photopea to make a local offline app and to be shipped as a Flatpak
Have you tried Krita? Its feature set and design is much closer to what's offered by Affinity Photo.
GIMP sucks for the creative part. But, like Fiji (ImageJ), it has a place in the toolbox. Ie, something that you need to script hard and/or needs a great plugin that exists. PS has that over Photo, scripting has been around since like... 7 at least. In fact, that IS one of Adobe's major strengths in the "pro arena", because they've had scripting for a LONG time all across, and entire workflows are built on that. AE in particular can be "abused" in a pretty insane manner. Not Avisynth insane, but insane nonetheless. Wonder if their "debugger" improved since CS6, that was the part that sucked bad.
For other open source software, if it's purely for photo editing I recommend Darktable as a Lightroom replacement and if you need other design tools I've seen people prefer Krita. Krita is primarily a program for digital art but they have enough tools and you can also use it for standard photo editing.
Specifically what do you have a problem with? It's fine for my use case of editing photos, vector and pixel art. But I do use Krita for drawing and now pixel art.
@@NicCrimson Let me put it like this. Can you do fine creative work in MS Paint? Yes. Is it a good experience? No. That sums up GIMP as a creative tool. Heck, you can find an old PS7 in some trash bin and for the most part, it will still feel better than GIMP, because the basic tooling has been pretty much the same since like forever, and pretty much better since as long. Now, as part of a creative PROCESS does GIMP have lot of value? Yes...
p.s. You can leverage the same points at Inkscape. Illustrator will feel better for creative work, Corel Draw will feel better for precision work. And "how good it feels" becomes VERY important if you have to spend all day with something. And the opposite, if you're forced into using something that you hate all day everyday, you know what hell feels like...
I love how I got a Adobe Premier Pro Ad when clicking on this video 😂
Darktable is a pretty good as an alrernative to Lightroom, I find
So glad I found this comment I was just about to make! 😂❤ I was like what the hell, does he know about the existence of Darktable?
Darktable is awesome but the user interface is hot garbage
RawTherapee is pretty good too. Both are open-source if I recall correctly
I thought this was a pun at first 😓😓😓
RawTherapee is great ❤️
Got an ad for Adobe AE just before this video. 😂
I use vector-based software to create cutting machine patterns (I started with CNC plasma tables).
I need an affordable way to create vector files and export them to a DXF file and I don't want a bunch of other software to haul around on my computer -- but it is nice to have something on the iPad.
Affinity has just given me everything I need.
I also have a Canva subscription so I've been hoping that works out.
Your video has just given me more confidence that the future looks bright.
Thank you for making sense.
This is the hit i needed to finally make my decision. thanks buddy. "when you buy something normally you'd want to owen it not rent it"
I got burned hard by Adobe's pricing model years ago, and since I wasn't really a professional I just... kind of gave up on that space. I can draw, I can do things by hand, so I shifted what I do to lean into those skills and away from fancy software rather than give any more blood to that vampire. But damn, I wish I'd known about Affinity. I am kind of curious about the products themselves, though I'm not sure how much use I'd have for them anymore. But I am super psyched at the thought of anything that can give Abode a kick in the teeth.
I love canva. Slides, video editing, print media, social media, docs and the ability to live update a project with other people all at the same time
i got the free trials for the Affinity suite. Gonna try them out and see if how the experience is. Thanks for informing me such an option existed!
THE WAY I GOT AN ADOBE ADD ON THIS IS INSANEEE
Thanks Theo, I had no idea this software existed and I have been looking for a Photoshop alternative for a while now because Adobe's pricing is just insane.
Once upon a time, Corel was the competition
I've been using Affinity for 5 years and agree that it is extremely affordable. I miss some of the filters Adobe has and think there's room for improvement from Affinity there. I've never been a huge Canva fan, so I guess we'll just have to see if Photo, Designer and Publisher stick around. Oh, and the fact that the iPad apps are just as good as the desktop ones is amazing.
You can import those plugins to affinity btw 🎉
15:41 Holy. I've been enjoying Canva's full features for years now, and they're bringing the same thing to Affinity? Love you Canva!
Incredible alternative for lightroom: Capture one!!!!
and cost more
Luminar also works nicely too.
Buying Capture One outright means you own the current version, but don't get future updates or bug fixes. Could be an issue if you get new camera equipment often.
They turned to shit and now has crazy priced monthly sub as well id highly recommend Dxo Photolab if you need a really good professional raw editor
I needed to design a logo recently and swore I wouldn't go back to Adobe, I found Affinity and was so happy! Figured it out well enough and made the logo and it turned out great.
Canva is kinda expensive 110€/year. I think they might monetize Affinity the same way
There's a pretty good free version of Canva, so doesn't quite have the same precedent.
This would be so sad to see
Canva, which I hate. Is just a fraction of the cost of Photoshop a year.
If you compare it to other web services commonly used by ordinary consumers it is not that expensive either. Taking into consideration that they often solve a unique problem, sometime giving access to exclusive stock photos is not that expensive.
Premium is kinda of expensive, Canva is free.
i actually didn’t know affinity existed before this video, thanks
Look at this guy, shilling for a company just because they make a good product with a pricing model that isn't insane and exploitative. Sad.
Yeahh!! How dare he love an amazing company!! >:(
@@championn.werd10x because companies are just a necessary evil. We can't live without them, and they abuse this dependency by making insane pricing models. Greed is really the worst sin.
It's sad this was even necessary to any sort of degree... =/ market dominance of bad actors is rather depressing
What's insane about 50 usd a month for a completle suite of software?
Peak shill 🤌🏻💸
I own Affinity an use it daily. I laid out my last four books on it, including our best-seller "Agatha Christie, She Watched." I even bought their upgrade. And I dumped my Vegas Pro for Davinci Resolve (and I'm a noob when it comes to video editing) so I could edit my podcasts. I even made a 3-minute introduction to my wife's lecture using clips from Christie movies, and it looks like something a beginning video editor would create (and if you knew me, that's a compliment).
You're literally the only influencer who actually influences me in my decisions. Great Video! :)
as a canva user since the 3rd grade, (I’m gen alpha) happy it’s become popular:D
canva is good
Hopefully this means we’ll finally get an affinity version of Lightroom
At least darktable is a really good free open source option for that. Switched to it years ago, never looked back
Australia is cooking on challenging Adobe's dominance 🔥🇦🇺
Blackmagic design is Australian based too.
The pricing plans look really good. I’m super curious how they plan for the long run to stay successful and afloat
automated/assisted matting mask generation is something that Adobe gave us a new tool for every major release for the entire 90s and early 2000s. And they still didn't make it much easier than what a skilled PShop user could do with the wand, lasso and quickmask paint/erase tools.
You are just plain wrong. This is a terrible acquisition. I know you want to maintain some sense of positivity about it, but canva is a company that puts subscription based paywalls all over their product. The reason I love affinity is because of its licensing style. Subscription pay modeling is a drug and canva is an addict. Affinity will be subscription based soon enough.
Bitch but they dont get money to get the competition going, your favourite software is of no use if it fucking dies. Unless your dad has unlimited money funding the company they def need constant cash flow.
Yeah. That's what worries everybody
I love Affinity Designer and I fear a subscriptions that will be the end for me…
@@joecuevas6368 Just Remember: if buying does not guarantee ownership, piracy is not theft.
Edit: wrong word. English Is not my First language
Im not sure if theyll keep their promise but canva said that theyll keep affinity the way it is
I like Capture One as an alternative for Lightroom. Love the layers.
Also the color tools are better in C1 than Lightroom
Great video! Subscribed, hoping to see more content of this kind as it's really useful for a graphic designer like myself
Lifetime access pricing is sometimes deceptive. This is because the company makes the next major version/change of the software have a different name. This allows them to charge for the new software program even though it is really functionally similar to the prior program.
0:24 THE ONE PIECE!!!!!!!
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!!!!!!!
Can we get much higher...
So hiiigh ..
Wealth,fame and power..
......
I have seven more months of my Adobe Creative Cloud subscription. Because of the price, I’ve decided to go ahead and buy Affinity so I can start learning it. I also own a Canva subscription because I’m also crafty that way. Canva’s background erase is the BEST!
If you want to get out of Adobe Creative Cloud, do what I did. I swapped out my plan to incopy because it was a much cheaper subscription, then I ended up cancelling that plan. So now I'm getting a refund for this month instead of paying the £56 odd quid I would have paid to cancel. 😂
I like your video. It's more positive than some other videos I've watched. I've had no choice but to cancel Adobe today before being pulled into another year subscription. I missed the sale but honestly I'm also sceptical about the Canva purchase. Effectively they are not merging but have bought Affinity, so Canva has the say about everything. A pledge is not a legally binding contract and can be changed any time. Canva already has the majority of users bewteen the 2 companies so I'm sure they won't care if people leave and go back to Adobe or other alternatives. You will just have more non-professionals taking over the design space with Canva. I'm purchasing the Affinity suit this week but once a subscription is added I'll be heading back to Adobe. (Not just for Photoshop but other programs as well). Let's cross fingers you are right about everything 😊
Can’t wait to come back to this in a little while and see the “aged like milk” comments.
Really enjoyed the advert for Photoshop while watching this 😅
😂😂
Well you just convinced me to buy a Universal license! I grew up on Adobe products (Dreamworks, PS, Flash) and over the last decade plus, have soured on their products and associated costs. I have switched over to using a suite of open source offerings but they are far from perfect. I had never heard of Affinity, how I don’t know because this is the exact thing I have been hoping and looking for! I have heard of Canva and like you said, never associated it with professional design, this is a smart move.
This is also the first video of yours I have watched and I was an instant subscriber! It’s refreshing to hear someone actually do some critical thinking on something like this where many would rather complain. All of the things you said about the acquisition make complete sense and I think you made a very convincing case as to why this acquisition makes sense for both parties and can still benefit the consumer. All this to say, love the video, think I’m going to love the software, and this was an A+ video! Thanks from a new happy fan and sub❤
Capture ONE more than replaces Lightroom. Top professional togs use it. It's the industry standard for them
Yep, been using it for about 10 years now, never got on with Lightroom. It's not exactly inexpensive, though.
Darktable is open source, it basically has any tool you need and in some aspects it has better features. There are plenty of tutorials.
I am still salty about Apple discontinuing Aperture. It is such a well-designed program. I still have my photo library in Aperture on an old Mac because no migration path out of it is lossless. (Moving to Photos or Lightroom keeps all the originals as well as the edited renders, but you lose the not-baked-in adjustments.)
The only company you wish was a subscription service so you could keep supporting them
I wanna see a video about what you use for editing now...
We use Final Cut. I love it dearly.
@@theorants really thought you would have been the type to use resolve lol
@@blueboy4625 He? Hell nah. Too much bought into apple :D
@@blueboy4625 Same. It's so good.
@@blueboy4625why so?
Bro made me love Affinity more than any other paid sponsorship I ever seen.
Now I'm Affinity Fanboy
Canva is a big part of the reason Adobe are pushing hard into the AI space. To compete with them. If they can integrate clipart/stock and AI into the core workflow of their suite, it means that non-artist creators can still make things. That broadens the potential customer base.
Personally, I don't trust Canva not to take the scummy route, coz they're kinda already going in that direction with AI integration.
Tbf, if affinity started a monthly donation plan or something to get people who genuenly like the software a way to continuously support the company, that would be good too i think
What-ya-talking-'bout? It was always Adobe vs Corel. Corel is still around but Adobe bought customers, hooking them in to products long term, so Corel is quieter than you might expect.
Thank you for doing this video. I've been using Adobe since '93 and have bought it numerous times. I have been looking for a real alternative for a very long time. I will check it out.
I've hated Adobe for YEARS, even though all I mainly ever used was PS and sometimes Premier (I used Vegas Pro for videos usually). Then I changed my OS to Linux and couldn't use Adobe at all anymore, and have been trying out stuff to make my own alternatives. Resolve is incredible and while I'm still new to it it blows Premier out of the water. PS alts on Linux are harder, but I can get by with GIMP for most stuff I do. GIMP does need some help with some tools though like the selection tool. IDK why but it just cannot even hold a candle to PS for that one tool :(
Try out Krita, coming from Ps I could barely stand GIMP's UI/UX but Krita felt familiar.
@@bersK00 Krita is geared towards digital artists of which I am not, lol. Plus I've been on GIMP for like 5 years now. The UI really isn't bad, just different, plus there's always PhotoGIMP which makes the UI and shortcuts match Photoshop
I switched to Affinity from Photoshop last year and I've never looked back. Not once. It's really THAT good.
Be aware that Adobe was also a one off payment once. This is a company, not your friend. Affinity isn’t your girlfriend, it’s a paid tool that would go subscription model the second it saw blood in the water.
my girlfriend also went subscription model (betrayed me) by ghosting me so I'm not all that worried about some company doing the same. there'll always be another
Thank you for sharing this news. I’m sure I will be making this switch when the time of my “Adobe contract” comes to an end. 5 years of over paying for a tool. Enough is enough.
If you think just because it says for lifetime it’s for life, you’re delusional. So many one time payment for lifetime services have changed their TOS to a monthly or annual subscription. They just stop supporting the lifetime subscription by coming out with a new update or something like that.
We can use affinity 1 , affinity 2 for as long as we want.
I got abode ad before watching this video 💀
Why only 2 views 😮
🤷♂️ fell off I guess
Feed the algorithm 🙏🧎♂️➡️
Rants channel
You viewed it shortly after it posted.
The perpetual license structure with a discount to upgrade to a new major version is one of the things that kept me using Vegas Pro for so long.
It was only a switch to Linux that stopped me using Vegas Pro because it wasn't supported. I ended up learning DaVinci Resolve because it's free, at least for a personal user.
If affinity ever makes a Linux package for their software, I will buy it immediately. No questions asked. Even if I keep using GIMP and Inkscape as my primary photo tools.
2:04 very strange mustache jump