TREASURES from the TRASH- Century Old LATHE found!!
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TREASURES from the TRASH- Century Old LATHE found!!
Paul's always wanted a lathe, but he's always been a minute late or a dollar short. But finally he got his hands on one that's almost a century old!! Can he get it to work? Find out on this video!
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In a disposable world it is nice to see you reclaim a useable tool and make it your own. Nice job!
Somewhere along the way I heard a saying that went something along the lines of “a truly realized man is someone who as an adult has regained the same bit of innocent passion for what he does with his energy, as a young child has.” That doesn’t mean that a real man runs around giggling as he works, it means that he does what he wants to, because he wants to, and it’s productive, builds etc. The image of an old man tinkering away in a shop comes to mind, or these guys moving around a giant lathe, playing with big toys, having fun, getting work done. Whatever problem men have going on in their lives, in moments like these, real men are in heaven. And that’s why we watch, thanks for sharing. Skål
It does you good that giggling ... It's all just small shit.
That's a great find and I'm glad you got it in there and got it up and running. Like everybody else has said, please take the safety aspect seriously. Never wear long sleeves, always, always, always wear good safety glasses, don't leave the key in the chuck, and never wear loose clothing. You may consider putting some shielding on around things like the lead screws. As much as we joke about safety there is a place for it and I have seen someone hurt on a lathe. The power and torque they have is amazing. Preserve it, use it, be safe and enjoy it!
Young Man you struck gold with that beast. I worked in a machine shop with something similar and it was one of the most valuable pieces of equipment. Also, I just floated over from Matt's and your channel is a mechanics dream. Thanks for sharing!
Welcome to the channel!
I love the saying "a lathe is the only tool that could build itself" 😂👍
I heard the same thing about a file.
I got this feeling that all that help everybody is giving Paul on safety and leveling is something he already knows more about than most that are telling him.
That is a beast of a lathe and built to last. I love the old trans mod.
Don't toss out the high speed steel cutters, carbide are good for stuff but sometimes HSS is the way to go.
Congrats, any fab shop is incomplete without a lathe. Now where's your mill 🤠
I bought a WWII Lathe the helped build parts for the war it was owed by International Harvester, love the old lathes!
My Dalton 6" built parts for the great war.
I have one that came off a submarine from ww2 my grandfather saved it from a scrap pile
That's got a nice long bed on it. Please don't leave the chuck key in the chuck They really hurt things when they go flying. Also to start and stop the feed there's a round knob on the carriage you turn to start and stop the feed. Most of the time you turn it clock wise to engage the feed and counter clock wise to disengage it. The lever you were using is just for forward, neutral and reverse of the feed screw. Have for with it.
Thanks for the tips!
I grew up in a machine shop sweeping and shoveling all the mess. I loved every minute of it.
Nice job figuring out how to get it to work for your shop use. Can you imagine the hundreds of men that learned they’d trade standing in front of that beast. Back when men were men!!!!
"It's old, but it works good." Attaboy, showing respect for your elders. One of the signs of a good man.
Just watched the video, awesome find from the past. You've probably done this, but will mention it just in case... you need to check that the bed of the lathe is square and level from one end to the other. This will help you cut long things accurately and reduce wear in the ways. Might be worth checking for wear on the ways to see where the low spots are.
Anyways, hopefully there will be a follow up to this, should be fun.
After watching this again, I am uber envious. Love to have a shop that size, and love the old machines and tools. The stories they could tell.
I worked for an industrial hydrauliics engineering company. We built machinery for the offshore industry. Had our own 'inhouse' machine shop. There was 5 lathes of varying sizes, one was a monarch, built in 53, had a 30" swing and could handle 14 foot stock. If and when one went down they would always call on me to get it up and running.. We also had two Lucas horizontal mills, fine machines. I did have to rebuild the transmission on the smaller of the 2 lucas machines once. We bought an old vertical lathe once, a giant antique. Only a machinist knows just how valuable those machines are.. The 5e monarch lathe had a tracer bed on it, we never used the tracer so the boss told a couple hands to remove it, I almost fired onne of them for taking a sledge hammer to the mounting bosses on the tracer. I told him he was destroying real history. There's just know end with what you can do with a lathe....congradulations on your score of the lathe man...
That’s awesome! Sounds like you know your stuff! Thanks for watching!
We had a 30" monarch at a machine shop I worked in and it was a beast if I could of fit a cutter from a 16' yes foot VTL that had 3 6 series CNMG inserts in the tool post I'm positive it would of cut with the tool buried like it was nothing
You remind me of my dad so much. He was a great man for figuring things out modifying, manufacturing, building and making things work. Like you he was a self taught welder and fabricator.
Stumbled on Fab Rats because I was looking for drive line ideas. Seen you use that kick ass lathe a few times. Made me think of when I was a kid and working for my Grampa’s shop. He was a tool and die maker for YEARS and I worked there for years. Ran old anchors like this all the time. Love seeing folks getting these old girls back online. Good work in all your projos, a true craftsman!
I’m still in the machine shop world but on the enginerding side of things now. You learn the fundamentals and the sky is the limit.
Be safe and watch yer fingers now!
A shop that size...and you 'don't have any safety glasses...'.
From someone who has been to the ER to remove a splintered piece of fiberglass stuck in my eye (once), eye protection...and hearing protection, are just as important as ventilation (respirator or exhaust) protection. Any one of the three will sideline you from doing what you enjoy. Nice score on the lathe! Be safe...if not for you, do it for your family.
An ER trip for iron shaving is no fun neither...from someone who knows.
The safety squint doesn't always work.
I enjoyed watching this very old lathe come to life again. Great job in restoring it. The lathe is the king of the Work shop. Thanks for sharing.
PAUL !!!! this is THE TOOL !!! FANTASTIC !!! you are going to have lots of joy for this acquisition !!! All the best my friend !!!
Just as long you level the lathe out. That way you can machine tolerances. Retired machinists here. Love operating big machines
I remember seeing machines like that back in the 60's when I was in boarding school. We had some really cool stuff, and had full access to learning how to use them. The old school building was still there a couple of years ago, they probably still have the machines in there. Have fun.
Go see if they are still there.
At my old work, they had a LeBlond lathe that was a 1918 government requisition for the war effort. It still works very well when I left and held a good tolerance.
I love them old LeBlond lathes!!!! I have 3 of them and looking for more!!! I rebuild them and try to make them look and work like new.
Wow! Great find! $500+$200 repairs= priceless for what it’s about to make you!!!! Great find guys!
I would make sure you clean out all of the old gear oil. Out of the lath gear box. Diesel fuel works well to get stubborn spots clean. Nice old lath. You got a lot of great attachments. That 4 jaw chuck is a score. If you have any questions I would be happy to help. I am a master machinist by trade. I have rebuilt a few machines. Nothing quite that old. However the older they get the better built they are. God bless
Thanks for the tips!
It's fun going back to these old video's
Hey nice lathe , sounds like you’ve had the safety brief already from the various comments. ( fair play those guys worth listening to that advice ) looks like the motor had possibly been run on single phase going by the various capacitors wired in , you may find the original motor is ok if the capacitors are removed and a its wiring reconfigured to star or delta respectively assuming your building has a 3 phase power supply or even a “rotary phase converter” can be purchased if not as a 3 phase motor is always preferable on machine tools as they are reversible and smoother.
A lathe ( any lathe ) but particularly one that long will need levelled with a precision level
I’d imagine you’ve been watching Abom 79 MrPete223 etc all the usual suspects, a guy iv found recently on RUclips is Joe Pieczynski in Texas his tips and stuff for the lathe and mill are on another level
All the best man with it , it’s a truly beautiful old machine 👍🏻
You guys are what makes America / America God bless ur and ur family .... Matt too
Thanks for those kind words!
@@FabRats no problem brother just keep being you and ur set!!!
I saw the Skytrax and thought Andrew Camarata was there to help.
You watch Andrews videos too huh?
@@dave_n8pu Who does not? Levi and Cody supervising.
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Hahahaha! I think everyone watches Andrew
Was thinking the exact same thing when I saw that lol.
Love your attitude. Reminds me of friends and myself 50 years ago.
A lathe is SOOOO useful! I've had a 14x40 for a while, just found an 18x80 that's a much better quality machine from the early 70's, gonna be a while until I move it into the shop... like yours, it takes up a lot of real estate, and i have a lot of junk I need to move as well!
Pretty cool, you should be able to make stuff that you probably sent out and had to send your money on. Saving yourself some dough. Nice find and nice job getting it in
For sure! Thanks for watching!
I love the line in the video, 'what could possibly go wrong?' You know something is NOT going to go as hoped for.
Nice find, I bought a South Bend lathe quick change screw cutting , back gear with tooling when I was a kid 23, the machine was build in 1923. I sold it to a guy building motorcycles.
Thats pretty cool! They definitely don’t make them like they used to.
what a moneymaker this beast will be. It will save your bacon many times over. Fantastic find!
First job after my apprenticeship was in a jobbing shop that had two of those old belt drive long beds. I did everything from heavy tug prop hafts, industrial shafting to custom lengthening Class 7 truck driveshafts. You've got a taper attachment so you're golden.
I have a similar lathe I bought twenty years ago, took it apart, stripped everything, re-bedded it , put modern quick change head on it and have been using it a lot. Bearing ,belt and chain co here in Tucson made me new belts for it. yours should work for another 100 years. Good buy!
Ole Lathe. Machines like that are nice when well maintained.
Came over from Matt’s channel. I’ve seen Paul
on a lot of Matt’s videos. Nice Tacoma and always there when Matt needs extra help, a true friend.
Welcome!
I love the way you think, old not useless. Cool old machine that will teach you all about turning
Very good. It will be nice to see that crude tensioner go because it bothered me right away. I hope you will document that exciting event. ;)
Get in the habit of using the key in the chuck and immediately removing the key from the chuck. Super dangerous to forget the key in the chuck and turn on the lathe!
My lathe has at some point been retrofitted with a chuck key holder that doubles as an emergency stop. The lathe won't turn on if the key isn't in the holder, plus there's an emergency stop button I can hit if something's going haywire.
Old unsafe machines are cool, but if you don't have ingrained safety habits to match they'll pull you into the spinning bits and mangle you real bad. That beast can probably kill you in two seconds flat if you somehow get caught in it- and that won't be an open casket funeral.
Please, learn proper safety for lathe use. No gloves ever, avoid long sleeves or anything else that could get caught and pulled in. Don't ever wrap sandpaper around the spinning part. Always wear safety glasses. Never use a file that doesn't have a handle, and if filing on the lathe stand clear of the file's long axis so it won't shoot through you like a spear if it gets caught on something.
No long hair anywhere near the rotating bits, make sure anyone with long hair has it tucked away safely or stands way back.
And make sure you mount an emergency stop button within easy reach, preferably and emergency stop pedal you can kick if your hands are being pulled into the machine. Woman I know broke her arm getting wrapped around the workpiece while sanding on a lathe, what saved her life was stepping on the floor-mounted stop button.
yeah you can get sacked for that lol
@@breakingtoast2255 You can also get decapitated or lose an eye. NEVER leave a key in a chuck.
first thing I thought to myself was take that key out.
@@Kaboomf yes good points and don't use machines if you driunk or drugged up too
I don't recognize the lathe brand, there are many forgotten lathe manufacturer's. Might be an American.
Could well be older than 1930, no quick change box for the feeds. Must have a whole stack of feed gears.
You got a piece of history here, and it's still working. A testament to lasting quality.
One piece of advice, take it or leave it is :avoid carbide tools except on large diameters.
The old girl doesn't turn very fast and carbides don't work well at low surface speeds.
It's nice to see a piece of machining history find a good home.
I can feel your excitement on top of my own excitement for you!
Grats with your new workhorse in your stable 👍
I like your voice, your talking, your handling of the machine, all showing your excitement.
Thanks for sharing your joy !
Thanks for watching!
Another life saver. Always have something tight in the jaws before spinning it up. On an old scroll chuck (like your three jaw) the jaws can come flying right out. That looks like a fine old machine though, and you obviously have a handle on how to handle it.
Great find. I have a 1920's Senaca Falls(much smaller), also been converted from belt drive. I just upgraded to a quick change tool post. Well worth it, much better than the lantern type you have. Be sure to keep all the old parts in case someone down the line wants to restore to original.
I have seen those belt feed lathes where they have water power near a river. Great work Paul, good to see people using these old tools!
I worked with an old home made lathe in a blacksmith shop, built in the late 40's that used bridge girders - 30 feet long, but had the flat belts coupled with 2 truck transmissions and a huge electric motor. Could turn wood at its fastest speed, or could be slowed so slow you could ride the handle of a wrench on a bolt set in the chuck. Used it to make spare tire carriers that were mounted on the back bumper of cars back in the 50's. It had been made by the blacksmith with junk yard parts. He did have chucks and the 4 pully flat belt unit like on your lathe.
I've got an old LeBlonde of similar heritage, that goes back to the 1870's. I've got a horizontal mill from the same time, went back to the factory in the twenties, got electrified, and a heavy drill press, about a four inch max, same, rebuilt with repulsion start motors. Semper Fi, enjoy.
Awesome find! The things you can do with a lathe is endless.
Your subtitling is much better than most. Contrasting colors and font bordering helps to differentiate words from the video. Knowing tools makes for better acquisitions.
I love old lathes. Spent a good bit of time behind a Chicago Tool 12" lathe and a Werner-Swasey #5 Turret lathe. That and a Bridgeport make me feel right at home. Good luck!!
Dang you Utah Boys have some killer shops. I was just in St. George for the last week, I love that part of the country.
I love machines that violate everything that OSHA says is bad!
I used to work in a building that was a factory in the 1900's on. They refurbed it into office/flex space in the late 2000's, but kept a bunch of the old factory stuff around for history and decoration. They had a picture from what must have been before 1920 of some kid operating what could have been this exact lathe wearing a tie. I cringed every time i saw it.
Nostalgic but built to stand the test of time...
@@thedamnyankee1 any tools on display they might part with?
@@joshschneider9766 I doubt it. Some of them are already on loan from someplace else (like the hemispherical drill press.) Anything they were willing to give up they did a decade and a half ago. The building was ALMOST torn down, it was in such bad shape. Though, when it was built it was the largest building in the world.
www.cummings.com/articles/eyesore.html
Yes
This kind of stuff exemplifies American grit and ingenuity. I’m really glad that I found this channel.
Thanks for watching!
nice beast , and long enough to balance and weld transaxles , your blessed with a simple machine like that
That thing was heavy! Ready to see the first drive shaft get built 💪
I use to run one of those! They were originally driven by the old overhead shaft drive system. They were retrofitted with “modern” electric motors. There should be a section of the ways that can be removed, just in front of the spindle/chuck. That allows for turning large diameter things.
I got one exactly like this for free (1906 Monarch 10ft bed), just had to haul it.
It's hell of a project but I can't wait to get mine turning. Great job on getting yours going!
Yes, that is a heavy thing, but it handy as you say. Nice that get sooo exact!
Heck yeah!! That's an old lathe...wow!!
I have a 8ft 1919 Hendey I rescued from a breakers yard, similar drive set up with motor to a car box, then a bike box and chain to the lathe but I put a big sprocket on one of the flat belt faces been using it 35 years.
Nice!
I saw this big old lathe, and immediately I thought, JACKPOT!!!
Having learned to make chips at LLNL, Lawrence Livermore National Labs, where they have much WWII machine tools, that lathe is looking good. Love the long bed for drive lines, etc . . . Mad Max is ALIVE!!!
Nice. Love this kinda stuff. Good thing you had someone with a Skytrax. That thing is so heavy, you wouldn’t have been able to get enough of the Elder’s Quorum around it to move it. lol
That is the American dream. Do what you please and make shit happen !!! I was joyful to see this. God bless America
Amen! Thanks for watching!
I currently run a 104 year old Monarch lathe (Hobby machining). I watched another one of your videos where you welded a drive shaft chucked in it. Yes, i cringed a bit. leaving the key in the chuck gave me the geebers too. I might suggest getting a welding blanket ti lay over the ways as the spatter will effect the travel/accuracy eventually. $700 in for that beast with all of those chucks AND taper attachment... smokin deal. Working with insert tooling is the way to go. you'll find carbide doesn't like welds much. Something about the hardness of the welds and interrupted cuts. Anyhoo, you do awesome work and glad to see another o'l Betsy put back to work!
Thank you for taking care of this old machine. I also have a smaller one (still too big for me) with roof transmission. It is rebuilt with a three speeed gearbox and electric motor, just like yours except that mine will have the gearbox hanging from the roof. Building my entire workshop "oldstyle" because it is just beautiful and machines work like charm.
One of the questions I ask myself when buying new equipment is how long will it take to pay for itself. My guess is with this beast maybe just a few months, if that, in this Fab Rats shop. I don't know how Paul got along so long without one.
Gold Mine...... I did exactly the same about 3yrs ago only the lathe was not quite as big as that monster. Hope you got ALL the hardware that went with it.
Such a killer machine without safety barrier for moving parts, so close and dangerous, I hope you will think about that and make that beast more friendly to operate.
Hmmmm....one thing I was taught as a kid; don't put your hand in moving machinery. You can only do it twice then you have run out of hands. I still have both of mine and I use this type of lathe (much smaller though) all the time. Half the joy of old machinery like this is watching the interplay with all the different parts, like watching the motion on a steam engine.
I love my 2 old lathe and a milling tool. Ones of them is so old it has glass jars ya fill with oil to oil the Mainbearings.
That’s awesome!
Dude never leave the chuck key in the chuck, that's a recipe for a real bad accident, seen it many times. Cheers great videos.
GREAT ADVICE!!!! RULE #1
@@francisschweitzer8431 Ja, I hope it will save someones life, did you see the size of that chuck key, that would give you a headache. Tool maker for 65 years, cheers.
@@francisschweitzer8431 Old timer tool maker you got that right brother Rule # 1.
The chuck key never leaves your hand until it is stored in it’s holding place.
I remember that someone left a key in a lathe chuck and then turned the thing on at high revs. The key was stuck in the ceiling panels. That was the last time the guy ever seen a lathe or milling machine from close. We also had regularly some metal fires due to turning at too high speeds or taking to large passes.
Hey Paul that is just a medium sized lath,in Blyth Calif there is a machine shop on the south side of I 10 down 7 in farming country and he works on all the farm equipment and his lath is 23 feet. He trued my 2 piece driveshaft for my motorhome.
Nice find again sir! Good video too.
Way back in the dark ages we had a 5' bed lathe in our shop on the Saskatchewan farm. Had a 3 and 4 jaw chuck.
The 4 jaw lets you do odd things like off center holds, but mostly the 3 jaw was used.
You likely know this, but just keep the bed rails cleaned and lubed. Cover them with a tarp if you need to grind or weld, clean afterwards.
A good lathe that size will be about as handy as a pocket on a shirt in a shop like yours.
Very cool to see someone's cast off being put back into service too.
Thanks for the tips!
Looks like a South Bend. If it is Grizzly handles South Bend stuff. They can tell you when it was made from the serial # on the bed ways. How to run a Lathe is also available on line. Great little instruction book. Happy machining!!!
Thanks for the tips! I’ll check into it!
I seen a big old lathe about 12 years ago. The guy never put a price on it. I don't know what ever happened to it, the guy pass away a few years ago. But I never seen the machine again it was a monster. You got yourself a good buy there. Have fun with it. You making me jealous.
Nice find! If you want to make it more accurate.
Anchor it down and level it by putting a machinist level on the slide and checking the entire travel.
Have a good machine shop make you a ground test bar and sweep the side of it, that will tell you if your headstock is square to the ways. Tighten the gibs on the slide to get rid of any skew that it has.
Keep up the awesome videos!
Thanks for the tips!
@@FabRats no problem! That's a stout machine and will impress you if you get it all aligned. They don't make them like they used to.
I ended up drilling holes into the floor & sinking flush threadsets to attach a hook & snatchblock for winching my lathe into place. Need to do some work on mine as well & power converter for 3 phase. Should be sweet!
Reminds me of a lathe my friends grandfather had. He said he's not sure, but he thinks it was a 'Shipley'? built about 1900-1920. But that was 50 years ago. Great to see it run!
I would love to know!
Hope you have lot's of fun with it. My first lathe was old. I have never understood how anyone can be without lathe.
The ways on that thing actually look to be in really good shape!
The lathe was a great buy it will pay for it self first job .many things good about it one is it heavy ! Will not move makes great for drive line as you said good work
That lathe is gold in the airplane propeller maintenance business
Dunno how i missed this. Love the scenery in Kanab, great place for wheeling
I'm only 9:40 in and love the fact that there's GM manual transmission mounted to it for gearing options
Please get some safety glasses. Hot metal chips in the eye are no fun. Keep a few pairs by the lathe. I saw you searching for your welding gloves on your video with Matt.😂
I know that feeling. The doctors had to pull out a chip from my eye. Damn that Hurt.
face shield too
I ran an old machine like that when I first started working as a machinist in Park City, Utah at the Judge Mine. They had transmissions on top and that was your gear selection, did some amazing work with that handicap. The whole shop used to be ran by an overhead belt drive system with line shafts and bearing blocks, quite the set-up.
That’s awesome! Thanks for sharing!
that is an awesome piece of old tech that you rescued so many of these ended up in the scrapyard...
You got a good deal on that old lathe. Almost looks like some we had in a plant I worked at from the late 60's to mid 80's. Have fun making things with it!
Thanks for watching!
Line shaft driven retrofitted later with motor. The archaeology of machine shop evolution AND it will still make parts. God, or whatever it is that's up there sure smiled on you. How amazing this still exists and you got it.
Thanks for watching!
@@FabRats sure thing. Wear some damn ppe next time though lol. Can't wait to see the learning curve on an old beast like that.
belt drive was over one hundred years ago in new england first. Great find, put it to good use!
As a machinist and without even watching the video, these old machines are hard to kill. I just wish the new ones were half this good.
Finally got around to watching the video. Looks like an interesting find. Many cheaper lathes today still have the change gears instead of a gear box. Make sure since you pressure washed it that you oil everything. Need to get the right oil too if you want it to last. May want to get some good cutting fluid while you are ordering stuff.
I wish this thing could tell it’s stories? What a beautiful piece of history! Could you imagine the things this created? God knows? So glad you’re saving it! You guys are seriously my favorite thing on RUclips!
We would love to know it’s history! It really is an awesome piece. Thanks for your kind words!!
That was awesome . On the dairy farm I grew up on , we had tons of old stuff and if it works that’s all that matters 👍🏼
Speaking of dairy farms. One of my kids favorite things to do in the summer is set out the tarp we got from a dairy farm that they shot silage in. Best and biggest slip n slide ever!
Fab Rats yes the silage plastic was thick and expensive and usually not reused . But I can see how you could use it as a slip and slid . Can buy that plastic new from prob any co-op store . We ordered from UDA . But that’s only here in Arizona and have to be a member .
@@ArizonaKid Damn, y'all are giving me material notions...THANKS
Bet it would make a superb PAHS underground home MEMBRANE
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Many years ago I had to shift a very big lathe nigh on 3 tons, I did it on my own , from my trailer (they craned it on where I bought it) to the floor onto a base set up in my workshop in all I moved it around 75 feet turning corners and negotiating around other machines, I did it all with a small trolley jack a long heavy duty crow bar and scaffold tubes. Jacked it put the tubes under and it rolled or slid just right in. Then four years later took it out the same way trailered ( Even got it onto the trailer on my own, I sold it for a good profit and bought a slightly smaller but much newer better lathe with more tooling and a better capacity. At that time I had three lathes in use.
Another nice find . Invaluable.
My uncle had a lathe about as old as that one and always managed to find a use for it, there extremely useful for someone with your talents so congrats on the new toy.
Best way to start a vid "what could possibly go wrong here" I say that every morning I step into the shop lolz
That's a piece of history. And that is priceless!
When I seen the episode after you had the lathe in your shop I thought d### you got a fine old lathe. I've got some good memories of some of them in use... That was in my Grandfather then Uncle machine shop they was still running with the old flat belts and powered by a old stand alone D.C. generator not hooked up power grid. I got watch my uncle working with the lathe machining a driveshaft for a boat and other projects.