Do Your Homework - A Response to Waveform Podcast on Xiaomi SU7
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- International publications should do enough homework before questioning Xiaomi's intention in EV.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:27 Waveform Podcast
01:04 Credit?
01:19 Research?
01:55 35k RPM Motor?
02:35 Range?
04:29 Real Charging Claim
05:22 Cheeky Xiaomi
05:58 Disapppointing tone
06:30 It is REAL
07:17 Do Your Homework 
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There are several issues unfortunately: the audience needs to be critical. Many people have a bias towards non-westeren tech and development. But people like you are challenging the narrative and informing a wider audience - Thank you!
I watched that podcast. I recognized that they didn’t mention the range standard difference immediately and I was shocked. It’s okay for normal audience to misunderstand such subtle but important technical details, but for a RUclipsr who EARNS A LIVING with giving out information, it’s a serious mistake.
anyone not aware of cltc and epa difference is amature
MKBHD is pretty much amateur to the EV industry.
Lol, that dismissal tone is so real. Not only from the WaveForm video, but also in almost every Chinese car review done in English. They'll always zoom in to even the tiniest bit of resemblance in order to bring up the copycat accusation. This when I noticed how some other pretty noticeable design similarities in other countries' cars, they were never brought up. Like how the new Toyota front facia resembles the Ferraris' and how similar the Genesis is to the Bentleys.
Depends on the people reviewing. Car sauce isn't dismissive but they're in Australia and Chinese cars are big there. Most notably is the fully charged though. Mostly because they have a correspondant in Shanghai so they're well aware of the fact that the market isn't a joke at all
To create the SU7, Xiaomi hired Tianyuan Li, formerly of BMW‘s iX series and iVision concepts, and James Qiu of Mercedes-Benz‘s Vision EQXX design; BMW veteran Chris Bangle served as a design consultant. James Qiu rendered an RWB Porsche 964 with a Cyberpunk Visual Theme in 2021.
I was wondering what MKBHD would think of it but I wasn't expecting that idiotic take on it. It's not a tycan copy. Westerners always do this. They find something that resembles a Chinese product and say it's just a copy. They do it purely to degrade and dismiss Chinese achievements.
The only thing they have is their fake trashy prestige. They'll try to hang on to this deranged perception of superiority as long as they can
Exactly! I still remenber how shocking it was when some of my American classmates claimed that all those Chinese smartphones with dual cameras copied the idea of Apple X, and I was like wtf???
The only thing they have is their trashy prestige. They'll hold on to this deranged perception of superiority as long as they can
Completely agree, this is soooo cringe.
To be fair though, the SU7 does look a lot like the Taycan
I mean let’s be honest MK just makes fancy adverts for products dressed up as ‘reviews’ or ‘previews’ he isn’t an engineer or designer, just a kid with some fancy cameras and slick editing.
MK is not professional at all, at leaset in electric vehicle industry. If you watch Bilibili, you could find lots of KOL are more professional than MK.
it's true for ev reviews
He's great (and he's 30 years old now by the way), it just that he slipped on this which was part of a podcast
That’s it. Simple as that.
Lol this is just isn't true at all. Doesn't even sound like you've watched any MKBHD videos. He's equally critical and appraising of most products, I mean he just slammed the Fisker Ocean which made waves across the industry. And since when does a tech reviewer need to be an engineer or designer? You'll barely see anyone in the industry from those backgrounds. He has a ton of experience and is far more credible than most sources having perfected his craft over 15 years. Oh and he's not a kid, he's 30 years old.
Software Engineer from Germany: You Chinese are excellent people and build good cars. Sooner or later the others will understand that too. Let's trade together and may the better products win. That's how competition works. That's the only way we can drive prosperity on this planet. Please note one thing, though. One problem that clouds the view of China from the West is companies like "Temu", which flood the market with very cheap products. This unfortunately affects the view of Chinese products, which is regrettable because you build good cars. I sincerely wish you every success with your vehicles. Best wishes from Germany.
To create the SU7, Xiaomi hired Tianyuan Li, formerly of BMW‘s iX series and iVision concepts, and James Qiu of Mercedes-Benz‘s Vision EQXX design; BMW veteran Chris Bangle served as a design consultant. James Qiu rendered an RWB Porsche 964 with a Cyberpunk Visual Theme in 2021.
I agree with you 1000000% youtubers big or small should point to the source. Love your channel
Considering the importance of the Chinese auto market, and the rarity of up to date English content covering said market, and your excellent presentation, I’m surprised you don’t have more subscribers. Love your work. Thank you.
I don't think us westerners are getting it, I regularly talk to people about Chinese EV's and they look at me in total bewilderment. Ok for the general public but it feels like the industry as well, and this will cost them and their respective economies massively.
@@jasonmugridge same product sold here for 5x times the amount so why should i care
It's peculiar that they included your video clip featuring the CLTC range and the two converted ranges. They were still using the incorrect number during their podcast.
Who cares , real number is totally different anyways
Has it occurred to anyone that Brownlee is doing this on purpose to smear Xiaomi, and Chinese cars in general? BYD is now bigger than Tesla and the Apple Car delayed til 2028? The saddest part is that when it comes to big channels from RUclips, people think they are never wrong. 😢
Exactly
I hope I don’t come off rude saying this but isn’t your comment baseless? Apple Car has been rumored for a decade now and there’ve been countless times people have said it will be delayed until X year. I’m doubtful MKBHD would try to smear Xiaomi because he has allegiance to some car we don’t even know exists. Don’t get me wrong, I watched that episode of the WFRM podcast and found his points really dismissive. And I agree with every point Telescope made in this video. But doesn’t making a baseless assumption about MKBHD make you no better than him making assumptions about the SU7?
I invite your criticism if you think I’m wrong.
@@kennykuuun1017 think you missed my point. I just edited my comment. Hope I've made things more clear.
@@pokehunter7078 Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate it. That being said, if you’re implying he has an agenda against Chinese automakers because he’s American and likes American cars, I feel like that’s as much of a stretch as your last argument.
I do think he was far too dismissive of the SU7, like many people are of Chinese products in general, but there’s nothing to indicate he did that with malice rather than just plain negligence. He’s spoken highly of many Chinese phones in the past from Honor, OnePlus, Oppo, RealMe, etc., and he doesn’t even drive a Tesla anymore (he sold his Plaid for a Porsche 911 recently). It’s arguably more reasonable to believe he didn’t do his research properly or that he was far too skeptical and biased than to say he’s on some smearing campaign.
In no way am I trying to defend his take on the SU7, but I feel like you assuming the worst out of him is the same as him assuming the worst out of Xiaomi. Neither argument is very fair.
Then again, neither of us know him very well so, in that regard, I suppose we’re both just speculators who will never know the truth. :P
@@kennykuuun1017 Not everyone expresses their anti-China views directly like Fox News. Since US congress openly spends USD 500 million on anti-China news, one may only assume the worse any media or social media outlets.
MKBHD should feel shame about it
I have never liked MKBHD. I think his videos are shallow and sometimes biased or affected by his personal preferences and not well prepared for a tech channel audience (he feels overconfident, fake and cringy to my personal taste).
This just gives you a sense why legacy US is so far behind in the EV world (except Tesla, but Tesla isn’t very representative of the beliefs of this society). Many are soaked in arrogance and dismissal and wouldn’t even look at the outside seriously. Their European counterparts, more open to truth, are at least somewhat competitive.
然哥牛逼，当时看到waveform这条卵都不懂还叭叭的视频属实是让我开眼了
Well done, facts and figures. Unfortunately, there are too many so-called You Tubers talking nonsense. Keep going brother, your community of subscribers will go up quickly. People do recognize quality and effort that you spent into your videos.
Sean, it just proves that ur videos are getting increasingly popular. Keep it up, mate.
I can't agree with you more. I had the same feeling that they were too arrogant and ignorant. If they did a little more homework, they would likely know Xiaomi su7 will go on sale in the first half of 2024.
I also saw your English video. Yes I agree MKHB must credit the source. ❤❤
刚从B站过来，点波关注支持一波UP。国内外很多大自媒体就是这样的，专业性还不如一些业余爱好者。
I watched the podcast (and I watched the entire amazing Xiaomi presentation) and was too very surprised and quite angered, thanks for rectifying them. Too bad this video didn't get much views. Hopefully at least he will see it.
mkbhd完美诠释了傲慢与偏见
好骂
huh? so he needs to be hyped up other wise he's racists ? the fuck ?
Great video, I was kind of amazed about their claims and lack of nuance as well. Im sure they will mention the differences you mentioned as somehow Xiaomis fault.
Great video and solid criticism
I was one of the ppl who called out the inaccuracies in wavform video... they responded in the next podcast with correction... btw good job on videos telescope..
Excited for the SU7 to enter the european market. Hope it will happen sooner rather than later.
I am western - I would like to see that not every western will be prejudiced with the inability to recognize also the achievements of Chinese companies. I think Xiaomi is doing an incredible job and I am also risking my “hard earned” money to buy shares in an incredibly volatile and bearish Chinese stock market. Being humble is a two-edged sword.
别在中国股票里投资，太魔幻，太令人沮丧了😂
Your reviews are the best. Well done!
Kudos for calling out the american bullies, who think global audience on english content is somehow their entitlement! Asia has way more english speakers than the west. If we decide to call a cat a dog, and vice-versa, we can make it happen!
What do you expect from a privileged American youtuber who gets cars and phones for free who sings their praises to be in their good books. We have 3 Xiaomi smartphones in our home they are very good and reliable for the price we paid. Btw very good response to them.
The three people in that video can be said to have no idea about electric cars at all, and they have no idea what electric cars have developed in China. I really laughed when they questioned whether Xiaomi could be mass-produced.😂😂
Great comments, objective and most of all you are very clear and detailed!! Bravo!!
Thank you! I will be following your channel for updates and if possible, correcting other sources mistakes.
Totally legit.
Pls keep up with the good work.
I love your reviews❤
术业有专攻，不是很喜欢一些科技媒体随意对自己不清楚的东西妄加评论。支持然哥！专业的事就要让专业的人来做
然而 mbkhd 有做车评。
所以这是专业的人做的不专业的事。
不能再认同，粉丝量这么庞大的KOL，又不是第一次做车评，居然这么拉胯，还不尊重版权没有任何credit to telescope@@georgethepanda6545
Totally agree
To create the SU7, Xiaomi hired Tianyuan Li, formerly of BMW‘s iX series and iVision concepts, and James Qiu of Mercedes-Benz‘s Vision EQXX design; BMW veteran Chris Bangle served as a design consultant. James Qiu rendered an RWB Porsche 964 with a Cyberpunk Visual Theme in 2021.
Thx for that clear up video! And pls do more testing on the SU7. Also is there an "Ultra" version coming?
subscribed from India . you're awsm bro 😇
Wow very good response. You earned another sub!
good job! hats off!
A very professional response of you, as expected 👍 Although I understand where some of the comments below are coming from, you need to understand the western tech companies are actually very afraid and will resort to many unethical or unfair measures to distort the perception of Chinese tech or Chinese cars as a whole just to protect their market and their market share. You can take solace in the fact that they also act the same way towards disruptive technologies in general. For instance legacy ICE car brands do not like EV adoption and will do anything to stop it or slow it down regardless of whether or not it is being made in China.
支持然哥！
Agree
支持然哥
Can’t agree more!!!
Great video 😊👍
特地来帮然哥点个赞
@mkhd Give credit where credit is due. I watch the Chinese based RUclipsrs for Chinese EV information. Hope your channel becomes more popular or you collaborate with some other channels.
Real data, objective facts, I like your explanation, love from bilibili♥♥
It's very easy just count like 20-25 kwh/100km and you will get 400-500km of range from 100kwh battery
现身说法，我每一天都能看到实车在测试 6:54
nice edit,good music & fancy B-roll dont mean they really profession😅
It really warms my heart to watch regular everyday Americans, even American tech enthusiasts so readily dismiss anything Chinese
The crushing realization coming _after_ China is irrecoverably ahead is going to be fantastic
The problem is, the US don't respond well to that.
B站过来的，特来支持一波，正在等这个车，看上了橄榄绿，太帅了。你的发言很严谨，是对傲慢与偏见最好的回击！加油！
I agree, I think we are to quick to dismiss cars from China and products in general. That's very dangerous, but I know Elon Musk is aware how quickly the quality of chinese products are developing and the speed of technological development. I think the Xiaomi car will be a big success in establishing this amazing company in the car industry, even if the product itself does not sell much in Europe or USA they will have gotten a good start and will use their software and technical expertise to ensure improvements in new products. Apple is going to loose out in a big way for not making the leap, as Xiaomi now has a unique selling point for their ecosystem.
I was expecting this vid to point out the podcast's factual mistakes of the car but not giving credits when featuring your video is a fumble on MKBHD and his team.
You Can just Sue him I Will support you!
Chinese are excellent people and build good cars. Sooner or later the others will understand that too. Let's trade together and may the better products win. That's how competition works👍👍👍
The only thing is bugging me is if Xiaomi is doing the Casting press.
It's a good thing to be skeptical, cars are a big monetary investment. European cars have a history of motorsport engineering behind them. The SU7 has yet to set an official lap time on some circuit (they talked about testing it on Beijing circuit, but there's still no official lap time). When that happens, I think people will come around to the idea that maybe Chinese cars are not to be taken lightly, just like how it happened with the Nio EP9.
That and they also need to start selling them over here.
Obviously they did that on purpose! Everyone with a little brain in his head, sees a lot of misinformation about Chinese products and companies.
They show wrong specifications although the real ones are visible from your video which they showed without credit the source.
I'm sorry, but they can't "sell" this to me as if they didn't have the right information!
I drive chinese car (Geely). Loving every bit of it!
It's not the first time MKBHD was biased against asian tech and tech content. I won't call him xenophobic but I am starting to get a sense that he is careless or less sensitive towards non-US material.
i think western audience sometimes forget Xiaomi is not a automotive company, rather a technology compamy. What Xiaomi was able to release in a short amount of time is quite incredible. Sadly, some reports seem to suggest not only complaints about delivery delays, but more serious car crashes due too poor workmenship and questionable material choices. Heres hoping they can work out those 1st gen issues as the car looks amazing both inside and out.
I think they say these things just for content purpose. As long as they get views they are happy.
MKBHD does great tech reviews, but his car reviews aren't always accurate. I don't think Marques (and the Waveform crew) are 'car people', which leads to mistakes/misinformation.
小米SU7已经正式发售了，回头再来看看2个视频。😁
我是然哥！
Can you make a video on that red Porsche with the 70 sticker on the door? Looks like a 911?
Let them stay ignorant
I mean.. they're American. There are no Chinese car exports to the US. Their perception on Chinese cars is still stuck at a decade ago.
多年前就见过 Marques 的视频把处理器型号数字写错的，唉。国内车企确实需要更注意一下海外传播了，不要让那些胡编乱造的文章占据了搜索引擎的上方。
Marques tsk tsk
come on, everybody knows that mk is the oneplus guy😁
You should invite MKBHD in China for a couple of weeks.
No need, let him be his ignorant and arrogant self until reality wipes that repulsive smirk from his face!
漂亮！
What can you say about the recent Xiaomi SU7 test cars crashing? Are they reliable? Or is it because it’s affordability is affecting its quality?
MKBHD will eat his words one day by ignoring international markets like this
Nice crash! 😂😂
MKBHD is very biased toward Chinese manufacturers. I have been noticing this for a while now.
Credit the source…
Come on you guys are public company….
disappointed you had to make this
MK has very close ties with Elon Musk, he is one of his most loyal fanboys and loves every product Tesla makes without "almost" no critical insight nor review.
关注然哥很久很久了，这波mknhd是真离谱😢
Mkhbd knows nothing about cars, he should just stick with reviewing phones and laptops.
The wave form podcast always does this. They look down on everything that ain't American, the classic American attitude. The biggest example is the pixel, nobody gives a fuck and it's shit, still they promote it like crazy.😂😂😂 Stopped watching it a long time ago, a bit too one sided for me especially the cohosts.
I never like any content from MKMcD-whatevershit it is. That dude is biased and the content he made is paid content to make everything from American is good.
Copy is copy
Your cltc to epa conversion is also not accurate. I have calculated the range of many Chinese cars that are sold in Europe too and converted to epa. The difference between epa and cltc is only 21%, not 35%, like you say. Also epa overtimate their ranges, teslas always get 20% less range in the usa. it is stupid for you to convert when all of these standards are crooked
Nah, that is not correct either.
CLTC to WLTP is 18-20% and WLTP to EPA is another 8-10%, especially after they changed the test cycle at the beginning of this year.
CLTC to EPA is pretty much a 27% difference. This channel normally takes a 29% difference from CLTC to EPA. Seems pretty fair and accurate to me. Better to take conservative numbers, especially because the difference may vary between models.
Not sure where you get the 35% difference from
EPA is the most realistic testing cycle in terms of every day usage by the way.
The reason why Tesla fails to get even close to these numbers is because they use the most optimistic calculations to get the EPA numbers - for advertisment reasons.
Other manufacturers are way more conservative, like BMW or Mercedes-Benz or even Hyundai which come very close or even beat the EPA numbers regularly
@@bullshitbingo2259 the zeekr x I’m china has around 520km cltc range and it has 445km range wltp in Europe and they are the exact same car/battery. That’s 15% difference. Wltp to epa probably 10% só total would be 25% difference for cltc to epa, but epa overtimate their numbers as teslas only get 20% of their actual range. Y can also do the same math for the teslas coming from China or Europe. Nio et7 did a range test and achieved 1050km real world range out of 1100 cltc estimated. Saying that cltc to epa is 35% is a funny joke
@@tonypaca3015 RWD version has 560km CLTC, AWD version has 512km CLTC.
The RWD version has 445km WLTP in Europe, so around 20% reduction of the 560km CLTC. If you would take 9-10% off from the 445km WLTP you end up with an a bit over 400km EPA range estimate. 560km vs. 403km = 28% difference.
As far as I can see this channel uses around 29% difference from CLTC to EPA. And that is a pretty good estimate in my eyes. Just check out the Zeekr 007 numbers.
RWD has 870km CLTC and this channel estimated 660km WLTP and 385miles (619km) EPA.That seems quite accurate and nothing to complain about.
@@bullshitbingo2259 so if the fastest version of the zeekr x has range of 512km CLTC and it has 445km wltp what does it tells you? thats 13% difference from cltc to wltp. this channel converts cltc to epa at 35% range difference. cltc to wltp is no more than 15% difference. The nio et7 with 150kwh battery estimate range is 1000km cltc but it got a real world range of 1050km cltc during a live streaming. what does it tells you?
@@bullshitbingo2259 the new model 3 highland that is being exported from China or Europe. It has 606km cltc range and 511km wltp. Thats 15% difference. Do you see the pattern here? Same as the zeekr x. Cltp to wltp is 15% as I already told you before
Thankyou for this rational unbiased response. I believe marques has lost his way. He's too deep in his own world to see the facts. I don't follow him any more. I follow you though! Thankyou again!
What’s is waveform video link. Got to go give a thumb down.
And that's why I have unsubscribed, mkbhd, waveform. They are becoming more and more like linus tech tips.
Bro had to make this video otherwise his family would be gone by the CCP , stay safe we all know it’s tough trying to show positives while having shitbox cars to show but hey maybe they pay you slightly above average and you get better social score
Lmao. Jealousy is a hell of drug. You're so triggered that China is actually making quality products now.
Is this joke your own invention or is it an adaptation of a Soviet joke?
Of course they won’t care because they have so many followers. More reason to not trust them. They get big, and they stop caring about facts
Keep on!
mkbhdgd(gold digger)
I don't think MKBHD meant to doubt Xiaomi's ability to make a car I just think many tech and car reviewers don't know how easy it is to make an EV in China now. Huawei now has like 3 different car brands... itʼs just not a big deal to make an EV in China and it would be easy to understand this if you spent a little more time reading about the global EV industry. The real problem is that most car and tech reviewers simply don't read so they just don't know how to make informed opinions beyond their surface level impressions of a product. That said I thought you were atleast going to take issue with the idea that Xiaomi's car looks like a Porsche. Claiming a car is copying just because it's from China is starting to feel like the "R" word at this point. China is in the lead both in the tech that goes into cars and their design. And I think any honest person would say that most car companies copy ideas off each other. At this point it's hard to tell what was who's idea because there's just so much copying even at the luxury level. The average person can't tell these cars apart now.
It cannot be said that Porsche is similar to Ferrari or Lamborghini, Aston Martin. No two brands are alike.