Historian on Donald Trump and Joe Biden: Pros and Cons | Jeremi Suri and Lex Fridman
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Guest bio: Jeremi Suri is a historian at UT Austin.
am i the only one that thinks that the worst part of it all is that we all know its useless but we still do it anyway , its like knowing theres gonna be a crash but you cant look away , hard to explain ,
2 semi woke dudes having a chitchat
This guy is terrible lol
Hilarious that people in the comments can't accept this man's answer and in the same breath accuse him of the very thing they're guilty of.
Interesting that you would use the word 'Hilarious' to describe hypocrisy. Do you actually not care and want to laugh? Or do you think hypocrisy isn't a serious issue? Or are you just trying to make others angry by laughing at them?
If you see others making mistakes why not try to engage and help them understand why they are wrong? Or have you already given up?
@@ltmund man, you're trying so damn hard to pick a fight off of your pedantic fixations.
@@nihilisticpuppy3799 I'm not looking for a fight. But I think the op and you are.
@@ltmund wow dude you're so deep!!!
Daddy Can Do No Wrong.
Interesting comments. Whichever way you lean, can Lex find anyone who’s NOT biased? We’re all biased to a certain extent. And do you really never want to listen to someone who’s ideas might be new and different? That’s what I love about Lex. He’s trying to create nuanced conversations with a range of people. And none of us are going to like everything we hear.
Wow great comment really making me rethink things in a new light however still think we’re in a rough place now and however make me over idealize the past years. Love lex
You're a perfect follower.
What makes Lex interesting is his life trajectory and personality. He's a questioner. He also grew up and was educated at ground zero for a guy like Biden. I went to high-school with Biden's wife and worked in the electrical engineering department at Lex's alma mater. In the mid-80s we were working on autonomous vehicles in an AI run by a Russian engineer and mystic, educated at Moscow University. Every one of us would rather have been at MIT, Carnegie Mellon or Stanford. Or IIT in India. Drexel undergrads weren't the most curious people I ever met. In fact the opposite. The triple AI (AAAI) conference was in Philly when I was there. So I got to see the giants of the field. Lex made it to the big time at MIT. It's the way his mind works. I was an art history major, without an undergrad degree, working in the lab and taking math courses to enter the master's program. The professor told me to pick a work of art and think about how AI vision processing would parse it. I did, he disagreed, but I turned out to have seen something he ignored. The beauty was there were so many problems to solve, no one cared who solved them. If you had an interesting idea, people would listen.
End of conversation! 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾
That clip was useless
A college degree is pointless.
Exhibit A.
says the anonymous youtuber typing from his mom's basement 🤣
@@JSmooove98 May you enjoy your day!❤️
Biden as "shepherd of democracy" 🤣
He said that's what Biden imagined himself as.
@@Luay91 as opposed to epsteins pal and the guy crushing on his own daughter lol
@@sleazypolar ~ He was asked for one thing he liked about Biden.
@@marcusang5404 you mean like trump. Trump was also epsteins pal and he was always talking sexually about his daughter and touching her
@@sthubbins4038 I heard Obama visited Epstein island as well. I wonder if him and Trump are buds?
The hair is a dead giveaway
Lol all these comments ripping Suri for simply giving a fact-driven opinion on Biden that you don’t find critical enough. I thought Lex’s audience was central/moderate and primarily interested in learning, assessing, critically thinking, not being subject to biased news sources against Biden or Trump
We are moderate. But we also have thinking brains.
@@miyazakimiyamoto6404 If you can't see both sides you are not moderate.
@@miyazakimiyamoto6404 🤣🤣🤣
That was a softball response about Biden with conveniently omitting the flaws with Biden.
It is easy to see the bias within the level of contribution to each answer. While only providing a few words for the former then immediately providing multiple factors into the current presidents description.
Just because an individual notices a bias does not mean they automatically turn their mind off post recognizing said bias.
Lex is joe rogan adjacent, his audience is mostly going to be the m|dwlts who watch rogan
This comment section should be fun.
"Inappropriate Showers"
2:55 The Shepard of Democracy, the Big Guy taking 10% of his deals off the back of sheparding the democracies all his political career.
The *Shepherd of Democracy* assumes that the American people are just sheeple. 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
oh boy....
Cop out answer. Guy isn’t honest
Thanks .both of them should not be in the office. What happened to JFC J .he spent 30 years fighting corpret greed for the working person. And has an education. This is coming from an underprivileged education. Why don't leaders become representatives of the people .they should not be purchased. What the f%$k
You’re both the “right” kind of doctor. Docere, coming from Latin means “to teach”. Thus, the PhD version. Otherwise the word doctor’s origin would something closer to “to heal”.
Oh, I would love Michael Malice to interview that guy.
Is this guy a speechwriter for Biden? Jeez….
He's also a master at getting people to do what he wants and believe what he wants. Even though it's crazy conspiracies, it still works. Biden, who u voted for, is still a corporate politician. He'll support unions and yet side with corporations like the railroads. We need younger people in office, and, we need more than two parties
The way this guy smiles is funnily aggressive.
It's derangement to not want Trump to destroy this country? People may get carried away with it, but it's out of wanting better for this country. I also have issues with Biden. But, between the two, I'll vote Biden again. But would prefer another.
Damn, ignoring all the faults of Biden and saying he’s just not good at public speaking. At least it’s not hard to find the bias.
Public speaking is so minor tho.. he's talking on a deeper level..not elementary
His criticism of Biden had nothing to do with public speaking. He basically said the man can't inspire anyone, which is a fair criticism.
@@paulbernal4580 public speaking is a pretty major component of leadership.
@@corporatecat230 how does this demonstrate I’m pro Trump? You can dislike both simultaneously.
Let’s say I’m pro Trump for a second. Do you not see how a “historian” on a major podcast making biased points is different from some rando making a singular comment on the internet? People can and should have opinions. However, when you’re in a professional capacity, bias should not impact your conduct. A historian writing and speaking as a historian should remain neutral.
@@corporatecat230 you love to make spiteful assumptions. Hope you get better.
What is Lex talking about, Obama is with Biden , Biden is Obama
Why did he have to say in contrast of Trump when talking about Joe Biden? Lex asked what he liked about Biden as a stand alone individual. Trump has nothing in common with Biden idk why he would be lumped with the grandfather and chief.
You realize Biden is only 4 years older than trump
You lost me as "stable and vibrant"
We are not a democracy we're a republic if we can keep it Ben Franklin
2:04 that's pretty bizarre he said that considering he ran for president as a billionaire, I mean how do you justify yourself with that knowledge
Jeremi Suri has never defended his ideas about Trump in debate. Because he can't really.
Biden has been in politics for so long and done like nothing
Did he do nothing or did he participate in ruining the country? Conservatives can't seem to decide.
@@sleazypolar nothing impactful would be a better way to put it. As for ruining the country, my biggest gripe w him is this Ukraine shit, and the clear corruption going on with his administration and big pharma/big tech
This just goes to show you that learned doesn't mean smart. Mr. Suro can't give an objective opinion.
You can't give something that doesn't exist. Opinions are subjective by definition.
@@Negus222 Except they're formed on some basis, something Mr. Suro can't define. It's Orange man bad syndrome. He hates the guy but cannot explain any policies he disagrees with. Typical liberal
@@amachtinger
Lex didn't ask him for any policies he disagrees with, so how do you know he cannot explain himself?
@@Negus222 Nah, he's a smart dude, He would've backed up his assertion with reasons. We can agree to disagree.
@@amachtinger Fair.
Can’t vote for a president just cause he’s good at speeches and he’s funny
over 70 millions did last election. Trump has literally nothing else for his supporters to vote for. The entire platform is "trigger libs."
yet you voted for Obama..
@@valdencorr2861 actually I didn’t lol but good try
Thankfully Trump wasn’t just good at that he actually raised the living standards of all Americans in particular minorities and he sorted out the complete foreign policy mess left behind by Bush and Obama
Isn't that what it's always about? A popularity contest
I’m really glad I got to see this clip-don’t gotta see the whole conversation now.
"My bias is already confirmed, time to close my ears"
Okay “Karl” 😂
2:45 I thought this guy was a historian...... Lex, you gotta change the title to "comedian"
Then, you should be wanting him to be your POTUS
“Shepard of democracy”💀💀 good god
Can't tell if you conservatives are just idiots or are completely allergic to being non partisan 😂 He said he believes that Biden "thinks" he's a Shepard of democracy, just like he believes that Trump "thinks" he's helping the country
things WERE better under Trump than Biden... so it kind of proves the point Trump is trying to make here. I wonder if a Historian at UT AUSTIN TX could be biased?
You can tell this dude was literally pulling his hair out when Trump became president.
Zero push back. Pushed back on Kanye but not here
Lol yeah because his jew'stinct was triggered beyond belief
So many butthurt Trump conservatives in the comments by this guy’s educated opinion 😂
Trump was not a very effective guy, BUT he had actual policies that he stumbled into that were good. This guy had to go personal because they are all things the Left hates. Immigration, Energy Policy, Regulatory Policy, foreign entanglements, NATO subsidies, etc. are all things he could have mentioned, but those are anathema to the Left, of which he is obviously a member.
educated opinion 😂😂
I want to see a SNL skit with Trump and Biden in the same cell. Lot of material there.
Do you they they have what it takes to become the best prison f*ck buddies in their advanced age group?☻
If SNL could be neutral in the execution, it might be great. Chances of that though...
I'm not a doctor but I believe anger is a drug and places like Fox News do their best to give you your daily fix. Rage and coke have a lot in common: increased heart rate, increase in blood pressure, epinephrine dump, dopamine release... it makes sense when you think about it.
Interesting comparison between anger and coke. And much agreed that Fox News is happy to be the nat’l drug dealer for rage. I would also argue that Rachel Maddow(and some other anchors but not MSNBC as a whole) provides the same anger fix in a more subtle way, such that she and her audience feel superior in promoting their anger and more justified as a result. But again, my belief is that Fox News is a cesspool of negativity and anger blasted into the civil discourse.
Excuse me but here in thess great flyover states of America we have meth and no television so you're confused bud
@@jerimiahstephens8580 ha… meth. I get it.
I agree with you but the other Networks have done the very same thing for people who hate Trump.
@@michaeld8280 they’ve done similar things, but absolutely not the same thing. Anyone who’s intellectually honest would agree that Fox was the OG outrage machine, unless you’re too young to remember that.
People in comments are such a joke. “Hes a historian but hes clearly biased so hes obviously not a credible source of information”
Your country is seriously lost. Someone educated on the history of american government able to draw comparisons between all presidents in its lineage, but his views are clearly wrong because sleepy joe. Get over yourselves
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
"Good intentions" are the stones placed down on those cobble roads. And lost brain cells were the mortar.
Lex fans are great until you bring up trump
I'm hungry
I just don't like that he made Biden's comments mainly about him as a president, and Trump's were about him as a person.
If anyone else was acting like trump you'd despise him,,,let's get real
Obama would make great speeches, and do nothing for people who voted, looking after Raytheon, general electric
Lost a thumbs up !
His false brief smiles between sentences really weirds me out, as if he's trying to diffuse or persuade. However I don't disagree with him much at all.
This dude's smile is creepy AF.
If you want to know why people are so upset about trump's rise then simply listen to what the guys saying. Even if it is "just rhetoric" it's still largely beyond hateful.
The guy violates almost every moral Americans hold dear except "for profit". That's why people didn't like him whether republican or democrat.
Asking a question like that "seems" neutral but behind the viel is the refusal to acknowledge all the hatred the guy spit out. People hate him because he's hateful
Trump lost money being president. Biden has been shaking down foreign governments for the past 20 years.
Absolutely
I think u should get on a weight watcher program lose sum weight luv yourself an stop hate
Nevermind, Shepherd of democracy is even better. 😂
Donny T is the only hope for a free and stable America.
Trump > Biden
Another "historian" who reads minds. How mundane.
People who only pay attention to policy (Like Fiona hill… who lex seemingly forgets he’s ever had a conversation with) have a tendency to dislike trump.
But people like you two. Who mentioned zero policy in a conversation.. have a tendency to try to make things more nuanced.
Donald trump was a bad president. If you know policy you know that. Period.
Even Israel and Irans situation from last night can be attributed to trump policy . You’ll never ask anyone to find out how but .. whatevs
Backhanded positive for trump haha
Yikes, not sure this guy knows anything about Trump or Biden that the media doesn't spoon feed to him. Not an endorsement of either president here, but wow those takes were wildly inaccurate.
This dude’s mannerisms make no sense and he doesn’t seem to actually care about how effective the president is, just what he portrays himself as being. Takes one to know one definitely applies.
Not a historian, a radical, deranged partisan who no longer has a shred of credibility.
This guy basically said trump is better says trump is a narcissist because he says he can fix America then says biden is the savior of our democracy same shit then biden can't give speeches and trump gives ppl hope got it
How can you trust a 'historian' who can't see the difference between talking points vs the actual actions and results?
I mean, middle east peace, keeping promises and at least trying to enact what he promised in the campaign, an energy self sufficient America, a stronger military.... This guy is blinded by hate.
Or you are brainwashed
What middle east peace are you talking about? When trump got countries that weren't even at war to sign a treaty?
Palestinians still being murdered. Yemenis still being slaughtered by Trumps favorite middle eastern family. Trump sold them all shiny new weapons.
"stronger" military? the fuck does this vague slogan even mean?
Military is/was already plenty strong. Didn't need more tax payer money going into the MIC's pockets.
Saying Biden is “for democracy” is the biggest stretch I’ve heard in a while.
5:50 Guy with TDS tries to avoid the question about TDS. It's sort of an obvious tell.
I thought TDS also applies to people who protect Trump at all costs?
The man answered 1 question about Trump and gave him a compliment and you've still managed to claim he has TDS 🤣🤣🤣 Every conservative accusation is an admission of guilt
This is pure comedy.
The real comedy is in the comments by Trump supporters.
@@ronhot3774 ~ Be fair, Biden supporters too. It's all pretty funny, sad as that is
Well dislike him or not he's going to win in 2024.
You both are silly.
Historian "Pro: Biden. Con:Trump"
All the empty, substance-free insults in this comment section...
Biden is a shepherd of democracy 😂 where did you find this reject?
Man your ability to hear and understand things is terrible
@@sleazypolar has nothing to do with my ability, I hear just fine. If you agree with this clown then your a tool too!
@@artem7023 Then how did you miss that he was saying that' how Biden thinks of himself?
This historian can't hide his personal hatred and this is who ladies and gentlemen write history books
Tell us where he was wrong.
Exactly
@@toddsmith5715 his entire view up trump is the CNN observation as opposed to the neutral view
@@toddsmith5715 if you can't see it means you have the same hatred which is ok but far from facts
@@youtubecontent6394 I'm a trump supporter, but Im curious what is the neutral view in your opinion lol
The sad thing about trump is that there is no love around him that isn't contractual or situational. He genuinely loves no one, and no one genuinely loves him. Everything comes with a cost.
as much as i hated trump, i think i hate biden jus as much. he is not a leader by any means. jus a warm body in that seat.
Overall liked this interview and Suri, but it's clear the current atmosphere of academia has influenced him towards a very biased view on the world. He's got many great ideas on what this nation can be, he's just held back by an altered vision.
Did you consider that you believe this because the atmosphere around you influences you towards a biased view of the world?
Do you imagine he is biased and you just see things how they actually are?
@@sleazypolar of course he does. It's always someone elses bias.
@@sleazypolar These Trumpists are incapable of looking inwards
@@sleazypolar My atmosphere is academia at a liberal university, as most are. This is not untraditional however, the culture today has caused a shift in what defines liberal ideals, pushing those of our past into the moderate, even right leaning spectrum. Everyday I'm questioned by peers in the same way you have questioned me, and its led to my rearrangement of many opinions and personal growth. I still hold biases on a range of topics, just as you do, just as Suri does, just as Lex does. What I said about Suri is my observation and I still stand behind it.
@@sleazypolar Answer in short:
No
Yes/No
I'm curious to know if Lex invited him to be on the show, or if Suri asked to be on the show. He seems propaganda-driven.
What propaganda?
So his problem is trump saying he’s going to make things better?? Doesn’t every candidate do this? Lmao and no concern or welfare about anyone else??? He doesn’t care about his children??? Wtf is wrong with this guy
Making things better, every president before Donald Trump - plus Joe Biden - have said the same thing, so in my book, that doesn't count; find something positive about Donald Trump that is specific to HIM is much harder.
In my book, I would give him that he's very entertaining. Joe Biden is beyond boring, but Donald Trump knows how to put a crowd in his pocket. 👏
You might be misunderstanding what he's saying, you need to look back at the 16 and 20 election.
Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden were campaigning on being established politicians and continuing Obama policies we had for almost a decade.
Then came trump who was "we can't trust those policies because they haven't gotten anywhere, but we also can't trust Bush policies because that's what caused us to be here"
That's what he means: the good thing about trump is he really believes in trying new ways to fix problems, the issue with him is he believes it's his way to fix it
He didnt start any wars.
Entertaining is not a good thing for a president to be.
@@corporatecat230 well all that means is Donald trump hired and kept people in place so if he did make a bad decision then people he trust would step in to prevent him from making that decision. Now for the Biden administration like since when was the left war mongers 😂 😂
@@corporatecat230 do you have a source for "he tried to" ?
Not that I dont believe you, but as a veteran, that's one of the more important factors for me when it comes to politicians. In his departure speech he emphasized the fact that he didnt start any new wars. Im not a trump fan, but as per Lex's question, you gotta recognize a person for their agreeable actions as well.
I know for a fact that, while he postured aggressively, he was the only president to have eased tensions with north korea and the willful neglect policy by Biden/Obama is not as effective as what trump did. They actually stopped missile/nuke testing for a while.
You work too much Lex
Both of these guys are too young to have ever known President Reagan? If we want to speak of "unifying," then he is the most natural place to look for an example.
Obama is better than Biden, I'll give him that.
You think Reagan was unifying? LMFAO
@@sleazypolar 1984 he won every state except Minnesota.
Lex is a sucker for great speeches, but speeches don't do anything to help. Take John F Kennedy. A great speech maker. But those speeches got him not a bit of legislation. He failed to pass a single piece of meaningful legislation during the over 3 years he was in office, excluding the Peace Corps. No civil rights bills, no anti poverty bills, nothing. Because JFK couldn't get the votes in congress. His speeches changed the senate's minds not a bit. It took Lyndon Johnson, who did not rely on speeches. He used cajoling, flattery, bullying, and deal making to pass landmark legislation.
Speeches make one side feel good, the other side angry, and they don't change policy.
Pros of Joe Biden. After Afghanistan. Good title, had to click.
okay first of all, what politician or president or populis wouldnt say elect me to make things better hardly a sign of narcissism dude come on try harder
Trump is a "narcissist," oh but I can't say some are "deranged"
Hes biased..
Clearly a partisan who can’t even be impartial for one question.
When you're a partisan you see everything as partisan and politicized.
Lol
Not a medical doctor but will throw the narcissist around…
I'm not a doctor either but when I see your bone sticking out of your leg I can make a pretty lucky "compound fracture" guess at your condition.
Same goes with Trump literally cartoonish manifestation of narcissism.
@Google Sucks Ass his words hurt you
@Google Sucks Ass He admitted he was wrong when it came to the Hollywood Access tape. He also admitted on a podcast he sometimes regrets the things he posts.
I felt that Trump's extreme narcissism is what made him trustworthy in a way. There was nothing hidden about it, you knew that Trump wasn't operating for some group or even cared about specific issues, he just wanted to be seen as great.
And if Trump being great aligned with America being great I thought his narcissism could work in favor of the country.
Unfortunately he supported Theocrats. And that's like taking all your dreams and hopes for the future, and paving a parking lot on top of all of them. So they can never grow.
@@Windrake101 he was pandering because he feels he has to, to get their support. Of course Trump doesn't give two shits about the bible. It's just disingenuous as a president.
That's because your brainwashed into liking the enemy over America.
You like attacking that which soldiers die protecting.
@@xxcoopcoopxx it's adorable how you Trump supporters say you're the real patriots and how you're not brainwashed or in a cult. 🤣
@@Strings-jg2to Covid happened on Trump's watch.
Those Snowflakes are afraid of invisible, scary things.
lol
My biggest disappointment about Biden is his total disregard of the open southern border and his dereliction of his duty to maintain sovereign borders.
My second biggest disappointment is his divisiveness when you pointed the finger at all trump supporters (half the country), and called them domestic terrorists. He’s the president of the USA, not the democrat party. He should be ashamed. Not even trump ever did anything like this.
Third, he has selected people for public positions based on their race, sexuality, and gender. This is a total disgrace. Imagine if trump had done that….
>Third, he has selected people for public positions based on their race, sexuality, and gender. This is a total disgrace.
Why is that a disgrace? We need diverse representation in public positions so that the entire country's interests, majority or minority, are represented. Is your concern that they're wholly unqualified? Nobody, right or left, wants anyone wholly unqualified in important positions.
@pavelmdify Funnily enough, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Ok now do your 3 biggest achievements of Biden. If you can't think of good ones then you're too far to the right.
Trump CALLED OUT THE DEMOCRATS FOR EATING CHILDREN NO LESS THAN 10 TIMES IN ONE FUCKING RALLY.
FOH with that bullshit, man.
There is no open southern border. Wtf are you talking about?
Trump supporters supported a guy that literally attempted to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
You act like Biden just randomly chose brown people off the streets for positions rather than simply finding qualified people who weren't all white. Trump DID do this shit he just didn't say it out loud.
Definitely an ideologue pumped out by CNN and academia.
Ya lost me on the joe Biden is the defender of democracy. Lmao
Biden is moderate? WOW! That's all I need to know about this guy, don't need to see the rest of the podcast.
He’s very moderate
Not sure what political spectrum you’re looking at but yes Biden is moderate. If you draw the goalposts at far right to mid-left then maybe you would find Biden to be “leftist”
He is tho.
Yeah a moderate puppet
You’re on a different planet if you legitimately don’t think Biden is a moderate Dem
It's funny that a billionaire narcissist who believes he is the only way to fixing the world would wait to run for political office until his 70s despite decades of encouragement from Hollywood and mainstream media. Seems pretty counterintuitive to what this guest is proposing here.
The political climate wasn't right for such a venture until now. It's only recently that the public has fancied pop culture trash for its political representatives. Trump made big talk of running for president in the 1980's, and it didn't gain any traction whatsoever--and this was when he was at peak fame without all the absurdly embarrassing things that he would step in later.
Trump has been running for office since the 1990s, I believe. 2016 was not his first campaign.
It's because the apprentice money and fame was running out. Needed a new cash cow
Pffft! Billionaire 😂
@@3downback Exactly. This presidential gig was just a way to funnel Saudi money into his hotels.
So he dislikes Trump because he believes that he, himself, can make things better, but he likes Biden for essentially the same reason?? Boy, the bias is strong with this one!
Lex we all love you but bringing totally biased idiots like him are a waste of our and your time!
Unfortunately, lex doesnt care...hes at a point where he needs constant content even if its terrible...as an audience we just click and it pays him well
Suri is 100% ideologically driven. He's not a nuanced, long term view historian at all.
Driven by ideology or being a professional having ideas like anybody? There's a bit difference.
You using the word nuanced in this comment is hilarious.
@@apxllodzx 100%!!!! NOT LESS 100%... xD Hilarious isn't it? They don't even try to read what they wrote.
Considering that trump is still actively immersed in the present(and STILL thinks he's POTUS,) your last sentence is only incidentally correct
“I don’t even think he cares about his children” what a wild statement lmfao
Actions speak for themselves.
What's so wild about it, Mr. Fuentes, er, Perez?
He has TDS that's why he said it doesn't exist.
As most of professors left woke brainwashed