I have no trouble with someone who actually lives on a commune and calls themselves a communist. But I have a huge problem with someone who calls themselves a communist, has zero intention of living in a commune and wants to force people to live in a communist society.
@btc btc I am against forcing others to do what someone else wants them to do. If someone has extreme views and doesnt bother anyone then leave thme alone.
Calling yourself a communist is still a problem, the ideology is fundamentally wrong on so many levels. A lot of the authoritarian communists do want to live in a commune but they have no idea how to run one and end up causing damage, see Chaz as an example.
@@user-mw2vn7pv8n Yes. But there are many religions with which I disagree fundamentally but I do not go in and protest them during their ceremonies. Communism will lose influence in America once Cuba is overthrown. Be patient. Wait them out.
You forgot one. And you haven't got it quite right.. Gestapo knock on your door: "We're here to hurt you, to help our Race". OVRA (Italian secret police): "We're here to hurt you, to help all of us." KGB knock on your door: "We're here to hurt you, to help all of us" These are collectivist ideologies. It is about the sacrifice of individuals for the group good. What Ayn Rand referred to as the individual 'immolating himself' for the state. Mussolini uttered the core formulation that actually fits both systems: "Everything Within the State, Nothing Against the State, Nothing Outside the State" - Benito Mussolini This is considered a key fascist formulation.. but it is really just a distillation of the idea behind Totalitarian style governing. The government controls EVERYTHING. To educated observers: I'm being intentionally narrow here. KGB is the secret police associated with the USSR.. but other arms similar to them existed in a lot of the satellite states.. and totalitarian governments outside the USSR, 1930s-1940s Germany and all other totalitarian governments in the world have essentially the same types of structures, just with different names.
That funded and supported Nazi ideology. Both Kalergi and Hitler were Austrian and Kalergi’s Plan created the Nazi reaction... Read Kalergi’s “Practical Idealism” and what the last 100 year implementation is leading to. There happens to be an acolyte of Kalergi who will explain via RUclips the current status of the plan. Do you have the courage to follow the truth? Why have we never heard of Kalergi, one of the most important men of the 20th century?
"The essence of evil is evasion of reality, is putting your feelings ahead of the facts" He says literally right after dismissing Michael's story before even hearing it.
Yaron started this clip very badly. He seemed much better by the end although he's coming across as full out ideologue by saying things like there's literally nothing good whatsoever about HItler or Stalin or whatever. Everybody does some good and has some good ideas. To say "______ said it so therefore it's not worth listening to" is ideology 101 and fundamentally no different from the people he hates so much.
If you already know the argument they are going to put forth there is no reason for a long drawn out explanation. Communism is inherently evil in all its forms and the people who practice it are as well even if the people don't know it. The German people who supported the Nazi government thought they were doing the right thing too but were supporting evil and thus were evil themselves.
Its about exactly what has been done in US for century but less sophisticated. Funny how US is hellbent on fighting communism otherwise it would have to take a hard look on itself. What is funny is no big country has actual direct democracy. All those so called democracies are some form of oligarchy usually.
Literally never seen anyone attempt to deny that Hitler's regime was fascist, and the only people I've ever seen opposing the idea that fascism is bad are the same crowd who claim Hitler was unfairly villainised. According to your definition, what is "fascism", exactly? Are you advocating for "Mussolinism"? Or something else? A mythical "real fascism" that's never been tried before?
this was very clearly a joke! on how it’s always the people that say that real communism has never been tried. Always Lazily justify the argument by saying it was the clowns accomplished it that made it toxic! (Ex: no that’s Stalinism! Not real communism) as if the first 3 letters make a difference, Clearly Refusing to accept it was the foundation of communism that made it possible for clowns like stain, mao,pol pot! To justify the murder millions of their own innocent people! No one ever tries makes the same argument about hitler. Because clowns who still follow hitler aren’t oblivious to the fact that was in fact fascism for hitler/Himmler to get away with what they did, the third reich was very obviously fascism! Not fucking hitlerism! Just pure malicious fascism! This is mainly because communism isn’t as direct and blatant as fascism! Communism is based on fantasy and Lies.
@@lachlanbell8390 I hear it everyday. The common argument emerging is that Hitler was a Socialist, and that, bizarley, Fascism has never been tried. Same arguement for Communism frankly.
@@AshFarlow Only difference is: Hitler *was* a socialist, but had ethnically targeted values, and on the other hand, Fascism *was* tried and performed - but you know the rest...
They're both absolutely terrible. But nothing compares to the twisted, backwards double speak of Communism. The Nazis were ruthless genocidal maniacs that were cold and calculated, but to me communism was worse. The amount of mental contortionism required to kill and starve tens of millions in the name of being a more moral society puts it at the Pinnacle of psychopathy.
eat a bunch of lsd and get manipulated endlessly by all ideologies, because everything *could be true*. It's not idea's that lead to atrocity, it's human nature- base level stuff.
@@Teach190 No it just shows that once again, successful communism only exists in fictional literature. And again, the star trek world has no resource scarcity which is the single largest driving factor behind all conflict.
@@xenophon5159 only to a certain point. You can have the best genetics in the world, but if chow down on that shit everyday eventually your arteries will clog up.
If capitalism denied health csre why does 92% of Americans have access to health care? Also many countries that have universal health care also practice capitalism...
Way fewer than went bankrupt under communism. Way more We're human so no system will be Perfect You either take 80 20 or endure 20 80 But make no mistake some will not make it@@MDpart2
Lex, 1942, the occupied city of Eysk. Nazis gased to death 214 mentally or physically disabled children aged between 4 and 17 years who lived in the local orphanage. That orphanage was evacuated by the Soviets from the city of Simferopol which had been lost previously. Could you feel the difference between Nazies and communists?
Exactly! It’s amazing to watch a grown man argue like an adolescent, preening and waving his index finger around; and anyway his premise is ridiculous. You could make the same weak argument about every religious icon. Oh-look-at-all-the-bad-things-that-happened-so-they-must-have-been-evil. Or maybe we condemn Adam Smith because there were no labor protections for children in industrial England! It could go on and on. Communism was perhaps a flawed idea because of human nature, while Naziism was explicitly nihilistic and hateful. Apples and oranges.
@@sophiesdad1200 Absolutely, his conflation of such distinct idea's really undermines his credibility on the subject. If he really wanted to make a case for Libertarian Capitalism, he should apply for an Amazon Warehouse position and film a documentary to explore the utopian future we could all enjoy under Ayn Rand's Libertarianism.
@@sophiesdad1200 Communism has killed far more people than the Nazi's did. Nazi's did a lot of horrible things, but apples and oranges, right? Communism is purely evil. Also, Hitler was a socialist.
@@Francis_Castiglione Apples and oranges is right. Christianity, the Crusades, Islam, laissez faire capitalism, etc. You can make that argument about any big idea. Even deism had atrocities under Robespierre! Maybe we should condemn that ideology as well, huh? Also, no offense, pal, but believing in Ayn Rand is sillier than waiting up for Santa Claus. And referring to Hitler as a socialist removes the spurious credibility of anything you said earlier. Anyone with a brain knows that the Nazis only referred to themselves as national “socialists” because they were trying to triangulate the Left in post-war Germany. Communists and Nazis were competing for the same demographic, so it’s simple marketing. Duh. Kind of like the way you call yourself “Communism Kills,” only more sophisticated and effective (though evil). Anyway, I prefer arguing with honest people. You go your way; I’ll go mine.I wish you well.
@@Francis_Castiglione wrong. The dictators killed those people. They weren't communist countries at all. Power corrups and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Communism has always been victim to this, except in Vietnam (that I have seen). Where the communist party rule the one party state and people are happy, patriotic and far more support a free market system than in the US. It is a successful democracy and should be a model to other countries. But clowns like to go bananas every time the C word comes up.
This entire conversation was eye opening and highly entertaining. Love seeing Malice return and I really enjoyed the intelligent discussions between him and Yaron.
It takes a very special kind of talent to be able to extract anything intelligent from Yaron Brook. I've come to really like, respect & admire Michael Malice, but being able to make Yaron Brook worth listening to at all puts him in a different league. If he was able to do that for almost 5 hours (I'm skeptical to say the least), that's God-tier interlocuter material.
@@michaeljackson8002 Yaron's a blind ideologue, so detached from reality he borders on lunatic. If this is your only exposure to him then perhaps he may seem reasonable - my comment was specifically noting how unusual it is for anyone to extract something reasonable from him, meaning this was a significant anomaly.
@@lachlanbell8390 is yaron the white haired dude? because this is my first exposure to him and he seemed like a blind ideologue, like a religious zelot.
More is articulately covered in this 30 min clip than most children will learn throughout all of K-12. Shame on these schools, and bravo to you three gentlemen! 👏🏽
There was almost nothing of value to learn here and if you don't learn at least 10x more in school, there is a problem with that teacher (or you paying attention)
They did have a murder industry. The soviets at least made you work before they killed you, they didn't do it based on who your parents where in most cases. I would say they are both unimaginably terrible in different ways.
Fine: as long as you understand the difference between stalinism leninism maoism socialism Marxism anarchism I’m all ok with that. Problem is people just call anything they don’t like is communism/leftism/badbadevil - seemingly without having any understanding of history or political theory.
@Chris Jones oh.. you’re just not aware of countries outside the US. Gotcha.. Orwell fought with the anarchists in Spain btw. The lines are not blurry or unclear for anyone interested to learn.
@@ptv-live You're either free or you're not. You either have rights or you do not. Anything that isn't Democratic and pro individualism is unacceptable. You can talk all day about how your mud from China is different from your mud from Russia, but I refuse to eat it.
There are differences to people who are autistic and live in their heads, to people who live in the real world and measure consequences/things that matter, the two are alike in all the ways that matter; causing widespread misery and suffering. I don't need to read piles of Marxist literature like you to "understand" it. Get out of your mind and examine the real world outcomes. And to say they have no idea when fascism has roots in marxism shows that you actually have no idea. But you'll never change and i have no idea why I waste my time anymore. Habit, I guess.
Malice seems far more interesting and mentally flexible than Brook, Brook also gets a few things wrong, the Idea that people have certain rights predates the founding fathers. The part of the US Declaration Of Independence that mentions "inalienable rights..." was very heavily influenced by the writings of John Locke, who had been dead for more than 70 years at that point.
Yeah at times Yaron speaks authoritatively on stuff he barely has read. Natural rights theory predates the constitution for some time, and can be seen in common law concepts which were adopted into the American legal system, along with Locke, etc.
It’s actually “unalienable Rights”, defined in Blackstone’s Law as “without law or border”. It seems a quirk, but words matter and there is a reason they carefully chose what they wrote. Look up Jefferson’s first draft of the Declaration of Independence, the “long train of abuses and usurpations”. Why did they choose those words? Our Founders were very learned men, despite their faults and shortcomings. Look up on YT, particularly for now of 03 July 2021, Paul Harvey’s wonderful orations of “Our Lives... Our Fortunes... Our Sacred Honor” and “From Freedom To Chains”. Think about the time in which Mr. Harvey’s presentations of these. Magna Carta. Luther’s Thesis’ Not one of those 56 men reneged on their Blood 🩸 Oath. Our Nation was built on that Pledge, that Oath. Not one. Genesis, Abram’s struggle with God, Jacob’s struggle with God. That’s where that Blood 🩸 Oath came from. And too much has been shed for it. Far too much. “I __________do solemnly swear, or affirm( I say swear and affirm, look up why both are in there) So help me, God!” Happy 4th of July America 🇺🇸, a crap ton of people have sacrificed, bled and died trying to build it. We must bleed to keep it. “What makes the grass grow....”
@@ronaldlollis8895 Careful how you apply that last phrase. A training mantra for soldiers to (temporarily?) shed a little of their humanity so they can kill when needed on the battlefield being applied to domestic politics is a historically proven recipe for atrocities.
@@Gaming-Shed Less intrusive government, support of individual constitutional rights, live and let live attitude (just want to raise their family and be left alone). How are these MAGA values 'fascists'? Also, event the alt right, led primarily by people like Richard Spencer, are for a peaceful separation so they can live in a 'pure society'. Nothing for enslaving anyone. They have literally the same views on race that some on the far left have pushing for segregation by race and viewing people by their appearance.
People are largely ignorant of communism. That is by design of Democrats. Stalin murdered twice as many people as Hitler, and Mao murdered more than both of them combined. Democrats allowed the teaching of the evil of Nazism for the sole purpose of using it to smear the Christian Republican right as being Nazis. Nazism is little different than communism and Democrats of the 1930s endorsed all of them. I see fascism, socialism, communism, and Nazism as all the same totalitarianism as Marxism based on imperialism with government as its own god. They all have absolute rule by dictators. They all use thugs. And they all make the people slaves. The only difference I’ve seen between the lot of them is that socialism and communism are agrarian based that killed tens of millions of people to become industrial, while fascism and Nazism are both already industrial-based putting corporations under government rule. Nazism just ads an element of racism. They are all leftist ideologies. The idea that some of them are rightwing is merely a leftwing fallacy and trope by which to demonize the righteous. The left is slavery and the right is liberty. That, or simply good and evil, is the only way that all of their ideological beliefs make sense. Anarchists are just extreme leftists who want everyone to do things their way in the ultimate act of selfishness not willing to submit to any authority except themselves. The Democrats today, the party of slavery and Jim Crow laws, are smearing Republicans as being the Nazis is just slanderous propaganda. The alt-right only exists as a leftist foil by which to condemn Republicans. Democrats are wholly Marxist in their ideology which endorses the government holding the people as their slaves with elites ruling over the masses. They will use any propaganda to sway the ignorant in order to dupe fools to part from their money in response to the fear and hate of climate change and racism that Democrats propagate. I also see the Borg, not as communists, but as Islamists being the ultimate socialist ideology in which all the people behave the same and are slaves to their elite masters. They are not a race unto themselves, but absorb peoples from other groups and make them all the same as slaves to their master. Lastly, Marx was no Christian. He was an atheist who wanted to make his own version of Utopia and, like all absolutist totalitarians, he would simply kill anyone who stood in his way.
I love this. It was (and still is) always hard to wrap my mind around what fascism and communism actually mean and how they grow, outside of wikipedia definitions. Great content, subscribed!
@@PS987654321PS I admit I don't know how to interpret your comment. Anyway, in case it wasn't clear, my previous one was missing the (I thought plainly obvious) /s at the end.
@@vladmitrache6373 These reduce to the same flawed institutional design and will repeat the same history. Each call for misappropriation of democracy as an authoritarian state device. The extent and nuance of such a flaw is besides the point. Human rights abrogation is readily predictable from these groups and not avoidable by these groups. Leftist reject a blanket judgment of their common flaws for lack of applying orthodox philosophy concerning social science and political science. This presents another and dynamic flaw in socialist ideation - it has been outside of the mainstream for 200 years and crucially during the scientific revolution in acadamia.
@@cshartley101 He was a journalist, director and theorist too. The man also used extremist gang violence to portray himself as mild and the only possible person able to hold the radical fringes of the party (while controlling them). The Italian (theory of tension) was also used in the Cold War, with dubious funding going to both far left and far right terrorrism and Italy remaining solidly at the US's side with a centrist, pro-Church government for decades.
@@gs7828:: Italy didn't have much of a choice as the United States destroyed all Progressive/Communist/Socialist Movements in Italy. They supported "former" Fascists in the Italian government ; just as they supported "former" NZIS in positions of power in Germany after the War. The United States has been "advising" Italy for many, many decades. "Pro-Church" ? _YIKES ❗️_
Everytime someone brings up musolini I burst into laughter. That man, his leadership and Italy during fascism were so terrible in every field possible: the military was so bad, unsuccessful and incompetent (trash navy, they made trashiest tanks that the world has ever seen, italian military failed at every task possible...), the idea of restoring the Roman empire could only be done in a dream, the country was in a stagnation...
It is interesting at the end he mentions Richard Wolff and democratic work places, immediately disregards it, then goes on to talk about how remarkable the development of political democracy was. Is his point that we are so lucky to have political democracy that pushing for economic democracy would be pushing our luck?
Lex, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is easily one of your best interviews ever. And that's bold of me to say, because you've had a LOT of great interviews. Lex, we need more people like you in this world. Keep doing what you're doing bro!
How about challenging the numbers of these 100 million the two sources are the black book of communism which includes nazi soldiers killed and russian soldiers that died fighting said nazis. Do you think that's the "evils of communism", not to mention the unsubstantiated claims in the book with no historic or evidentiary backing such as skull pits, death records, etc etc. Also the gulag archipelago which is a complete fabrication by the author.
As a Hungarian whose country has been led by both fascists and SOCIALISTs, I think Yaron is very ignorant. First of all, the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics (USSR/Soviet Union) was a horrible state, but it was SOCIALIST, not communist. And then he literally states that he doesn't care what Stalinism is and that it's the same as anarcho-communism. You can look at this any way you want, but this was the perfect example of ignorance.
This is the kind of discussion that happens when you have one person in the room with views based upon a very superficial knowledge of something, and won't learn enough about the topic to warrant changing them. Equating Communism and Fascism with each other is reductive, and so is basing views of abstract concepts on real events which are basically determined by other factors. You can't really judge political ideologies using historical events because historical events are determined by factors far more powerful then ideologies. Ideologies are literally just ideas, and often powerless in the face of reality. I don't think there has been a single form of government in the whole of human history which has been inspired by an ideology which has ever stuck to that ideology in the face of real world circumstances. When you criticize historical figures like Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, etc. you are criticizing their actions, and not abstract philosophies which they are linked to because those ideologies almost always evaporate when faced with having to make decisions which in the end benefit the decision maker over the ideology they aspire to.
The problem is when the struggle between the communist/fascist ideologies and reality begin they both leave similar results which is death in the millions compared to any other ideological/philosophical clash with reality. That’s what they meant. No matter how you twist communism or facism. There’s only one thing awaiting everyone and that’s a genocide nothing less!
Here’s the thing with this debate: it’s about investigating totalitarianism. Communism has run far longer in power for a start. Fascism gave us the Holocaust but how many high schoolers know about the Holodamor? Fascism is a type of socialism anyway that differs only in their economic organization and myth preference. .
Fascism didnt give us the Holocaust, Mousollini succumbed to the race theory just prior to WW2, while he himself had a Jewish lover - Margarita Zarfati... Other than that, i agree that both systems are collectivist, centralized and totalitarian regimes...
This is like....actually inaccurate... a big part of studying history is interpretation. Was this event good or bad, why? What should we take from that event? That why is often feelings and identifying what part is valuable is often feelings. Many of the moral aspects of history are about feelings and the person studying the history's feelings.
Remember, History was written by the victors. So it kinda indeed care for the feeling, especially the winning side. If Nazi is the one who wins the ww2, or German Empire is the one who win the ww1 the history that is written will be totally different that the current one we own
Brilliant! Three sharp minds not necessarilly agreeing every point, showing us the importance of understanding history. I like this format of 2 guests.
Yaron? Sharp? Lol. He sounds no different than a crooked pastor. All dogma and fear, no basis in reality (as is often the case with the “facts don’t care about your feelings” types).
@@Henrikko123 I would say that's extremely simplified but according to your very simplified definition, I would say yes but nominally so. Private property in this country has been and is being infringed upon by the state all the time. If the government gets to decide without your approval how much of your income they can take and when they take it then how can you say that you really own your income? Self ownership is the basis of private property yet I can't decide to voluntarily purchase a drug like cocaine or acid etc etc and have this in my possession without risk of being taken by the state and being forced to wait in their facilities and then pay my legal fees and fines and to "society". Dispensaries cannot sell to people who have reached their two week limit dictated by the state. Eminent domain is one of the most horrendous violations of private property rights. We're definitely moving away from the direction of laissez-faire (have been for years).
...there is nothing to learn from Yaron Brook other than 'how being opinionated to this extent makes one wrong about just about everything ' ...and even when Brook is right he is right for the wrong reasons.
COMUNISM IS ON THE LEFT... SOCIALISM IS ON THE RIGHT. ACCORDING TO KARL MARX BACK IN THE 1900s. THESE ARE ONLY THE TWO CHOICES.... AND THEY ARE ONLY THE IDEAS of the LEFT in the USA. BOTH ARE BIG Government like PLANTATION STYLE GOVERMENTS Where PEOPLE ARE LIKE COWS... THE MORE YOU HAVE THE MORE MONEY YOU AS A GOVERNMENT CAN AQUIRE AND TAX. like prostitution of children and women... you can make lots more money when you have lots more of your undocumented workers. BUT... there are more forms of government then just COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM and DEMOCRACIES... WHO USUALLY END UP EITHER SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST. FACISM is a tool that a government uses... it is not a form of government. FASCISM is undercuting all of the news and media and tv channels to only allow your scripted media like cnn msnbc abc fox tyt and vox do. only they control what is allowed on tv and its only ideas about how great socialist are and big government democract ideas who own the ideas and hearts of people by putting them in welfare and slave buckets. FASCISt ideas and people who support fascism dont see they are the fascist because they are to big and or control all of the media and quiet the religoius people and freedom to choose a god. IN most cases Fascism is found in comunist democrats or socialist governments... because they use their power to ensure no one else has a voice. DEMOCRATS are the FASCISt of today who are trying to inch the usa into SOCIALIST ideas and Grandure of owning mexico and canada and their people. they use the usas good will and manipulate their generosity and cause wars with russia to own the people of Ukraine. they practice making killer viruses like covid 19 to make billions of dollors off of the dying people who subit to their medicine thourgh phizer and moderna.
You can learn that people hope for redeeming philosophy to come from Marx even though Marx has been dead a long time and he's not coming up with anything more than the zero contributions recorded in orthodox sociology and economics.
@@foshizzlfizzl If you are correct about him being brainwashed that then that is exactly why people need to hear it. So they can recognize the brainwash as you see it, assuming he is brainwashed. Censoring people is a bad road to travel down
When Michael realized Yaron was just going to interrupt he stopped trying to make points (for a few minutes) to make jokes and its such a better way than butting heads. Yet they still have a conversation not an argument. Lex seems to be a master Craftsman when it comes to crafting these conversations. Anyone ever seen him get bent out of shape with a guest yet? Not that hes immune to it but I bet he meditates lol
@@drstrangelove09 Yaron wouldn't even have come to Israel if his parents weren't Socialists. He probably wouldn't even be alive if the Soviets didn't crush the Nazis.
African American slavery was infinitely worse than the Holocaust and Stalin was magnitudes worse than Hitler. Polish people would pray to be captured by Nazis instead of Soviets. Being a Nazi POW meant food and somewhere to sleep being a Soviet POW meant sleeping in the elements and fighting other POWs to death for scraps of bread
@chen661 lost for words... Genuinely. The gas chambers were odourless and painless... Was the Holocaust even that bad? Such an efficient and humane way to deal with such a problem right? That's how you sound.
@@skp8748 African slavery was not worse than the Holocaust as people during the Holocaust were systematically murdered compared to slavery where the idea was to keep the slave alive so they would work. Both are horrible crimes against humanity but one is clearly worse than the other
@@maxsportsman2416 loool more people died at sea in the transatlantic slave trade... Yeah sure dying is worse than watching your arm amputated, your wife raped or your child the property of another.... Stupid beyond reason. Holocaust wasn't even four years transatlantic slavery was 400
@Las Vegas Free Press Which corner do you feel safer on when you say something negative about the ruling party, especially when police are closer or farther away?
@@starrattmaster I believe it's a trick question. Both have cost countless lives and are at heart violent ideologies. For some reason one group (idiot democrats) love the idea of communism and call the other group fascist when they are both.
As someone who is from Russia former Soviet Union I wish The west would teach Stalinism and Communism to the kids in history class and talk about what actually happens to people during those times.
@Spalien Acecraft why would they correlate wanting for a actual form of marxist analysis (that is a functioning theory in itself expanded upon lenin and marxs understanding of class relations and in itself the functional capacity of proletarian statehood) with what the west would choose to focus on in education in their own education systems. Do you not understand what stalinism is or how dialectical materialism functions? Like you critique a theory as being "bad" but lack the context to directly address the function of material reality of said theory in practice. You don't understand communism because you haven't spent the time to understand its function. That is text book reactionary thinking.
I don't think people in the West (green haired university students that embarrassingly call themselves Communists) even know what the Cheka or NKVD are. These two groups alone (secret police) far surpass any other regime for complete psychopathic blood lust.
I lived in Russia for a year from 2003 to 2004.. I went to Buryat. A woman I met was member of the Komsomol. Communism is "From each according to his ability. To each according to his need" There were times during the Brezhnev era when it kind of worked. This woman was in charge of distributing the small amounts of foreign goods would arrive. There would be a long queue. Some got, some didn't. The problem was the downfall of the whole system. Those left out would often snitch on the ones who got. I hear this happening right now from INSIDE RUSSIA!
What? If you dont know it then how dare you to oppose it. Basically that's what the entire conversation bases on, both of them dont know anything about communism yet they still talk about it as if they have read every scientific book about communism that have been written
@@Failzz8 if he doesn't know what stalinism is then he doesn't know what communism is. Have you ever heard the phrase "throw the baby out with the bathwater"
Probably the single most interesting discussion I've ever listened to! I wish i could've been a fly on the wall, but was able to chime in once in awhile
@@JimmytheDoctor I don't see the same energy for Jacobins or the USA empire which is the worst thing in human history.Fascism is the corporate state that protect the bourgeoisie .Guys like Stalin and Jacobins are the analogy of ancient tyranny.Aristocracy and tyranny wasn't the same.Tyranny was more "people-friendly".One embargo from China to USA and will become a nightmare with civil war,fascist state,etc.Imagine a poor Soviet Union to has all the planet against them(not only embargo but also the threat of war) it's easy a situation like this to born a phenomeno like Stalinism or Jacobinism.Trotsky has explain it in his work.There are not all in the intellectual and moral level of Lenin or Trotsky to handle a situation like this.Cuba has make a good job under so much pressure, but the revolution must be global there is no other way.
CHE6yp :: The Borg is some kind of Collective AI, I think. Straps you of your humanity ! Survives only if all think as one unit ! Yes ! The Borg is the end-game of Capitalism. The Federation is Futuristic, United States' White Nationalists.
The Federation is “communist” in the loosest of senses, and material basically becoming infinite in Trek would radically shift everything realistically speaking.
How you can find Yaron more annoying that Malice I really don't get. He's the kind of guy who's always looking to make a 'smart' comment and have a 'gotcha' moment in a discussion. Complete insecure little weasel. And not that smart at all.
@Kostas Kapasakis The Socratic method is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions.
@@jims6274 I commented elsewhere that it’s so rare to see today. The magic of RUclips allows us access to such enlightening and lively discussions in these formats from the 60’s and 70’s, and I feel lex proved himself a worthy moderator, I hope he considers more pods in this style.
@@jims6274 :: Thank you for that explanation for modern ears. I would have lost brain cells listening to Socrates' convolutions, especially translated from Greek !
A super important conversation about something that is rarely talked about. No drama or exploding emotions just matter of fact. That was really really good ! Thank you so much !
It reminded me of the lively debates of the 60’s and 70’s that we’re now lucky enough to have access to on RUclips. Where sparks may fly, but the focus remains on topic, allowing for a healthy, lively discourse and exchange of ideas. Would love to see more eps where Lex acts as the moderator of two debating guests, it’s certainly a rare skill set he’s proven he possesses in this video. Edit: clarification
They are both based on Marx philosophies and the end result and objectives are the same, but fascist make no qualms about what they are and what they intend. Communist do. Which is worse the honest evil or the dis honest one. The real question is does it matter.
More interesting is post-Marxist Critical Theory and dialectic problemic: Let's say systemic nonsense and anti-nonsense. Denial of nonsense is evidence of nonsense and acceptance of the nonsense dialectic. These are the problems and anti-problems without solution. Yet the goal is implicit: polarized division, confusion, conflict, revolution.
Until men with power are willing to humble their egos and cease worshiping at the shrine of the self by dropping the powers they wield over large groups of others, powerful men will continue to degrade the others and ultimately themselves through persistent historical violence. Human beings are not an isolated phenomenon from the world around us. Our existence is systemic.
While it's interesting to hear a different point of view, it's impressive what objectivism can do to a person. Yaron Brooks' simplistic view of history and equivocation between nazism and communism is astounding.
Communism wasn't just a terrible ideology that lead to human suffering and terrible consequences for society. From an economic standpoint, it is wildly inefficient compared to capitalism. In a communist state, if they produce 100 tons of steel, they have to decide whether to make forks or build a metro subway. It is completely nuts to believe that 10 guys or a dictator in a room has that much power over the resources of a nation and has to decide which place it would be put to better use. It's so true also, the thing that unites communism to nazism is the same thing that separates them. One bet on inclusion and the other on exclusion, but they both need a dictator to guide them to this path, all for the greater of the proletariat or the Aryan race.
JorgeRafaelAssis :: Is capitalism more efficient ... really ? Boom and Bust cycles ! Bear & Bull Markets. Depressions and Recessions. Corporate Bail-Outs, financed by the taxpayers. Taxpayers' financed Corporate Rearch & Development. Corporate waste-disposal in poor neighborhoods. Environmental Degradation by Capitalists. Climate-Catastrophe ! Air-pollution ! Corporate Racketeering. Child-Labor ! Please read Michael Parenti and Noam Chomsky. They will lead you to other realistic authors/economists.
@@sunnybonnell409 No, that's just what the international press presents to the world. Don't believe the press. We're current living under a semii-dictatorial regime here. But our dictator is the supreme court, not the president.
What I got from this was that Fascism is "positive thinking" as a governing ideology. That makes some motivational posters much more sinister than I remember them.
@@jamiedelorenzo5220 Communism is based on a perceived power imbalance between workers and employers and is attempting to address it. Fascism is based on the will to power philosophy, which is more or less "if you can imagine it, it will bend to your will", which encourages positive delusional thinking and behavior.
@@jamiedelorenzo5220I think your issue is me only making fun of Fascism. So here's this: Communism is tall-poppy syndrome, if someone grows too tall, they chop their head off in the name of equality, but when nobody's tall enough to get the food out of the pantry, everyone starves. I hold no loyalty to any ideology other than "funny", everything is a target of ridicule for me.
@@jamiedelorenzo5220 It'd be redundant because we already have a name for modern Communists, SJWs. They're known for doing the same things and even using terms from the Soviet Union like the term "politically incorrect", and they embrace it. Like if I poke fun of them for being a commie, they'd just say "yes, and what's your point?".
Hitler was a socialist. Although everyone on the Left will scream and throw a fit and lie if you say that. They desire socialism. And since Hitler has throughly been put into the category of evil, socialist ideology must not be allowed to be associated with him.
@@BenMJay you literally replace the bouginuose with Hebrew and workers of the world with German...and if the Germans could come in at any time and take the corporation away what difference does it make they had limited capitalism.. tik literally has 4 hours of proof.. all I hear from left he's racist so nooo well the cccp is literally on every single level possible. Yatzi Germany
I don't know who the grandpa is but he's obviously triggered by communism far more than fascism (even though he tries to pretend he feels equally about both).
He's the head of the Ayn Rand institute, and an excruciatingly delusional ideological zealot. I've only listened to a couple of the clips from this podcast, but it's literally the first time I've ever heard anyone extract something worthwhile from Yaron Brook. I love Lex, his podcast, and Michael Malice, but the moment I saw Yaron Brook's name I instantly dismissed the podcast as listening material. While I still find Brook insufferable, these clips make me feel like the value might outweigh the cost enough to make it bearable.
@@lachlanbell8390 What is he delusional about? I seem to vaguely remember one interview he did with the excruciatingly vapid Dave Rubin and I got literally zero worth out of that. So we agree on the worthwhile part. I felt like he spoke in platitudes and wishy-washy stuff, but delusional, or wrong?
@@jesperburns He's a radical individualist, and a fanatical free market fundamentalist. He's one of the wingnuts who believes the world would be a utopian paradise if we didn't have any government-operated institutions or infrastructure, that we'd all be better off if there were no police, no fire departments, no public roads, etc. The idea that "mUh FrEe MaRkEt" is the optimal solution to any and all problems is fucking insane. It's completely ignorant of basic-bitch economic concepts like externalities and the tragedy of the commons, not to mention the most rudimentary elements of game theory. I could go on, but to keep it brief - he's delusional, AND he's wrong. About almost everything. Sure, there are some basic principles that can be extracted from individualist ideology and incorporated into a more sophisticated picture of reality, but anything taken to its extreme is absurd, and ideological extremists are delusional by definition.
I once went there on a date in NYC with a young woman who told me "I know about this really cool bar!" It was called "The KGB Bar." The walls were adorned with images of Communist propaganda, hammer & sickle images, as well portraits and photos of Stalin and Lenin. Even if it was meant to be ironic (which it obviously wasn't), it was still outrageous and disgusting! I was not impressed, and told my date as much. I asked her if she would go to a bar called the "SS Bar" or the "Gestapo Bar" complete with images of swastikas and Hitler. She said, "Of course not!" and was visibly indignant at the suggestion that there was an equivalence. By the time I got to tallying up the Communist death count, the date was obviously already over. I'd like to think that she learned something from the uncomfortable experience, but I doubt it. She was just another typical 20-something New Yorker. As far as I know, the KGB Bar is still there, glorifying a murderous regime.
should have been called "What was worse for Jews" lol But obviously being an accepted citizen in a Socialist Nationalist nation is beneficial to the citizens. Communism is bad for the neighbors and the citizens. Parasitic pressure will let us see these nightmares again I'm sure. The Spanish flu gave us Nazi Germany, Even Mussolini found hand shaking disgusting... I wonder what corona or something worse will bring.
After watching the whole podcast (not just this clip) I realize I really dislike this Yaron guy. He has some good points, but he is super set in his ways to a point where he literally doesn’t want to hear anyone else’s views or opinions or barely acknowledge them. Idk if it’s because he’s older and has a mind that isn’t elastic anymore or if he thinks he’s more intelligent than others but I can’t handle him cutting off Michael every other time he gets to speak and dismissing his viewpoints (and Lex’s) as if they are completely wrong.
He works for something called the "Ayn Rand Institute". If there ever was a window of time in which he was open to intellectual honesty and changing his mind, it is long gone. Just another political talking head backed up by donors.
"objectivist" Nah I think it's cause he's the oldest in the room and from new York. I disagree with Michael malice on this one though. They're both evil, saying one is less evil than the other also means one is "better" than the other and I refuse any notion that either ideology can be seen as anything less than evil or that somehow evil is relative.
@@vcalv9354 What is so hard to understand about A being more evil than B while both A and B are still horribly evil? -2000 and -1000 are both negative numbers, but one is just further down the spectrum than the other. It would be dumb to see stealing candy from a baby and the Holocaust as the same level of evil, just because they both are evil.
@@takkiejakkie5458 1. It's not a math equation 2. I wouldn't consider stealing candy from a baby. Immoral and evil aren't the same thing. Evil is evil.
Yoran made a great point about these collective systems. They all speak in abstracts about the 'workers' doing this, the 'proletariat' doing that. When everyone is in charge no one is in charge, these masses of people will inevitably form some sort of hierarchy or have a spokesman person who will make decisions on behalf of everyone. This is when the authoritarian regime emerges. It's an awful book but I highly recommend people look up the dialogue between Dagny Taggart and the bum in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged because it's a fantastic example of how this collective idea get corrupted instantly and turns people against each other.
What power did the workers gain in the Soviet Union or in China or in North Korea? At what point did they seize the means of production? We don’t pretend every weird little dictatorship is a democracy because they call themselves that. How is it not just out of convenience that we do the same for communism? There has never been communism on a national level. This entire conversation is deeply absurd and stupid
Congratulations, you have discovered the Iron Law of oligarchy, by far one of the most unknown and consistently true concepts in political science, economics and sociology. Anyone that wants to deal in collective action alone is ultimately defending tyranny. Ignoring the individual paves the path towards misery and violence.
TrophyGuide101 :: Everything Rand thought should always be questioned and debated until a consensus is reached that her brain was full of the shit of bitterness. We have seen a variety of political/economic and social constructions ... all demonstrating their potential to lead to authoritarianism. What we have not seen, on a massive scale, is a collective cooperative structure :: full participation ; full debate ; a full and clear understanding of the human values that makes us all human. Once a constitution is written to express our common needs (a Bill of Humanity), articles/chapters and amendments will be easy to establish a constitution based on :: _I Don't Want That Done To Me and My Family ; Therefore, It Will Not Be Done To You And Yours !_ Fuckin' Exclamation Point. It's not going to be easy, but a cooperative society, based on similar values of humanity, is worth a try considering our dangerous history. First :: Cut the Pentagon's Budget !! This list can go on for a long time until all topics are discussed -- no matter how much time.
I have no trouble with someone who actually lives on a commune and calls themselves a communist. But I have a huge problem with someone who calls themselves a communist, has zero intention of living in a commune and wants to force people to live in a communist society.
@btc btc I am against forcing others to do what someone else wants them to do. If someone has extreme views and doesnt bother anyone then leave thme alone.
commie lover...go join the commune, communist
Calling yourself a communist is still a problem, the ideology is fundamentally wrong on so many levels.
A lot of the authoritarian communists do want to live in a commune but they have no idea how to run one and end up causing damage, see Chaz as an example.
@@user-mw2vn7pv8n Yes. But there are many religions with which I disagree fundamentally but I do not go in and protest them during their ceremonies. Communism will lose influence in America once Cuba is overthrown. Be patient. Wait them out.
I like the "I'm a communist with my family, a liberal with my friends, and a libertarian with everyone else" comparison. I forget who made it.
Gestapo knock on your door: "We're here to hurt you, to help our Race".
KGB knock on your door: "We're here to hurt you, to help you."
You forgot one. And you haven't got it quite right..
Gestapo knock on your door: "We're here to hurt you, to help our Race".
OVRA (Italian secret police): "We're here to hurt you, to help all of us."
KGB knock on your door: "We're here to hurt you, to help all of us"
These are collectivist ideologies. It is about the sacrifice of individuals for the group good. What Ayn Rand referred to as the individual 'immolating himself' for the state.
Mussolini uttered the core formulation that actually fits both systems:
"Everything Within the State, Nothing Against the State, Nothing Outside the State" - Benito Mussolini
This is considered a key fascist formulation.. but it is really just a distillation of the idea behind Totalitarian style governing. The government controls EVERYTHING.
To educated observers: I'm being intentionally narrow here. KGB is the secret police associated with the USSR.. but other arms similar to them existed in a lot of the satellite states.. and totalitarian governments outside the USSR, 1930s-1940s Germany and all other totalitarian governments in the world have essentially the same types of structures, just with different names.
Good point
Please read all you can find regarding Richard Kalergi’s “Pan” European Union Plan 1923. It was supported and funded by the same groups that
That funded and supported Nazi ideology. Both Kalergi and Hitler were Austrian and Kalergi’s Plan created the Nazi reaction... Read Kalergi’s “Practical Idealism” and what the last 100 year implementation is leading to. There happens to be an acolyte of Kalergi who will explain via RUclips the current status of the plan. Do you have the courage to follow the truth? Why have we never heard of Kalergi, one of the most important men of the 20th century?
RUclips Barbara Lerner Spectre an acolyte of Richard Kalergi. She will explain her support and active efforts to accomplish the plan.
"The essence of evil is evasion of reality, is putting your feelings ahead of the facts" He says literally right after dismissing Michael's story before even hearing it.
Precisely. Never trust a man that already has the world sussed out. It be hella SUS bruh. :P
Yaron started this clip very badly. He seemed much better by the end although he's coming across as full out ideologue by saying things like there's literally nothing good whatsoever about HItler or Stalin or whatever. Everybody does some good and has some good ideas. To say "______ said it so therefore it's not worth listening to" is ideology 101 and fundamentally no different from the people he hates so much.
If you already know the argument they are going to put forth there is no reason for a long drawn out explanation. Communism is inherently evil in all its forms and the people who practice it are as well even if the people don't know it. The German people who supported the Nazi government thought they were doing the right thing too but were supporting evil and thus were evil themselves.
@@jasondashney Totally agree. He acts like an offended child, so annoying.
Because he knew what the other had to say
"I don't know what Stalinism is and I don't care" is not something a critical thinker should say.
Its about exactly what has been done in US for century but less sophisticated. Funny how US is hellbent on fighting communism otherwise it would have to take a hard look on itself. What is funny is no big country has actual direct democracy. All those so called democracies are some form of oligarchy usually.
Imagine if every time someone said fascism is bad and people go “no you are talking about hitlerism” fascism is not bad….. stop making excuses
Literally never seen anyone attempt to deny that Hitler's regime was fascist, and the only people I've ever seen opposing the idea that fascism is bad are the same crowd who claim Hitler was unfairly villainised.
According to your definition, what is "fascism", exactly? Are you advocating for "Mussolinism"? Or something else? A mythical "real fascism" that's never been tried before?
this was very clearly a joke! on how it’s always the people that say that real communism has never been tried. Always Lazily justify the argument by saying it was the clowns accomplished it that made it toxic! (Ex: no that’s Stalinism! Not real communism) as if the first 3 letters make a difference, Clearly Refusing to accept it was the foundation of communism that made it possible for clowns like stain, mao,pol pot! To justify the murder millions of their own innocent people! No one ever tries makes the same argument about hitler. Because clowns who still follow hitler aren’t oblivious to the fact that was in fact fascism for hitler/Himmler to get away with what they did, the third reich was very obviously fascism! Not fucking hitlerism! Just pure malicious fascism! This is mainly because communism isn’t as direct and blatant as fascism! Communism is based on fantasy and Lies.
@@lachlanbell8390 I hear it everyday. The common argument emerging is that Hitler was a Socialist, and that, bizarley, Fascism has never been tried. Same arguement for Communism frankly.
@@AshFarlow Only difference is: Hitler *was* a socialist, but had ethnically targeted values, and on the other hand, Fascism *was* tried and performed - but you know the rest...
Zionists are the root of all misery through communism, Marxism and both world wars
"But you Yada Yada Yada'd the best part."
"I mentioned the bisque."
I got it
Yaron Brook equivocating Nazism to Communism is the wildest take I've ever heard.
Just regular right wing stuff though
They're both absolutely terrible. But nothing compares to the twisted, backwards double speak of Communism. The Nazis were ruthless genocidal maniacs that were cold and calculated, but to me communism was worse. The amount of mental contortionism required to kill and starve tens of millions in the name of being a more moral society puts it at the Pinnacle of psychopathy.
There aren't enough people out there having these conversations. Well done!
Indeed
"Ideology always leads to atrocity."
-Terrence McKenna
There is a more evil political ideology than fascism or communism, it's Islamism.
eat a bunch of lsd and get manipulated endlessly by all ideologies, because everything *could be true*. It's not idea's that lead to atrocity, it's human nature- base level stuff.
@@colinburroughs9871 But to get people to act em masse on those awful parts of their nature requires a unifying idea.
@@VindexAnimae by what metric?
Yet you're steeped in ideology by liberal friend
Man lex really hit it out of the park with this podcast.
in soviet russia,park hit you.
Yes he did.
Here here !
@@brrruhdon__718 0
Lex, your interview skills are on form on this one! Well done, dare I say better than JR?
It's ironic that he brings up the Borg in Star Trek and doesn't realize that the entire Star Trek Federation is Communist.
The only place communism worked, a world of fiction.
The federation exists in a post scarcity world. That's essentially impossible and as much science fiction as the idea of the communist utopia.
Exactly. Like the entire thing is mocking how capitalism fucked yo the world and only caused conflict. That’s a fake nerd if I ever heard one.
@@Teach190 No it just shows that once again, successful communism only exists in fictional literature. And again, the star trek world has no resource scarcity which is the single largest driving factor behind all conflict.
Yeah I noticed that myself. But then he explained the context
Your pods are getting dangerously addictive. You're starting to steal my time on other chores, keep up ,loving it
McDonalds vs KFC, who will clog my arteries first.
Neither. You will.
Genetics decide that
Kfc because everything is fried
@@xenophon5159 only to a certain point. You can have the best genetics in the world, but if chow down on that shit everyday eventually your arteries will clog up.
KFC that's shits disgusting
It’s interesting how they define mass murder, as if denying people healthcare in the name of capitalism doesn’t count because it’s not overtly violent
Very good point.
If capitalism denied health csre why does 92% of Americans have access to health care? Also many countries that have universal health care also practice capitalism...
@@timdeleon827 How many go bankrupt due to healthcare costs?
Way fewer than went bankrupt under communism.
Way more
We're human so no system will be Perfect
You either take 80 20 or endure 20 80
But make no mistake some will not make it@@MDpart2
because it is not overt
Lex, 1942, the occupied city of Eysk. Nazis gased to death 214 mentally or physically disabled children aged between 4 and 17 years who lived in the local orphanage. That orphanage was evacuated by the Soviets from the city of Simferopol which had been lost previously. Could you feel the difference between Nazies and communists?
100 m > 11 m. suck it nerd.
So in summary Yaron is saying "there are two kinds of ideas in life, my ideas and evil ideas"
Exactly! It’s amazing to watch a grown man argue like an adolescent, preening and waving his index finger around; and anyway his premise is ridiculous. You could make the same weak argument about every religious icon. Oh-look-at-all-the-bad-things-that-happened-so-they-must-have-been-evil. Or maybe we condemn Adam Smith because there were no labor protections for children in industrial England! It could go on and on.
Communism was perhaps a flawed idea because of human nature, while Naziism was explicitly nihilistic and hateful. Apples and oranges.
@@sophiesdad1200 Absolutely, his conflation of such distinct idea's really undermines his credibility on the subject. If he really wanted to make a case for Libertarian Capitalism, he should apply for an Amazon Warehouse position and film a documentary to explore the utopian future we could all enjoy under Ayn Rand's Libertarianism.
@@sophiesdad1200 Communism has killed far more people than the Nazi's did. Nazi's did a lot of horrible things, but apples and oranges, right? Communism is purely evil.
Also, Hitler was a socialist.
@@Francis_Castiglione Apples and oranges is right. Christianity, the Crusades, Islam, laissez faire capitalism, etc. You can make that argument about any big idea. Even deism had atrocities under Robespierre! Maybe we should condemn that ideology as well, huh? Also, no offense, pal, but believing in Ayn Rand is sillier than waiting up for Santa Claus.
And referring to Hitler as a socialist removes the spurious credibility of anything you said earlier. Anyone with a brain knows that the Nazis only referred to themselves as national “socialists” because they were trying to triangulate the Left in post-war Germany. Communists and Nazis were competing for the same demographic, so it’s simple marketing. Duh. Kind of like the way you call yourself “Communism Kills,” only more sophisticated and effective (though evil). Anyway, I prefer arguing with honest people. You go your way; I’ll go mine.I wish you well.
@@Francis_Castiglione wrong. The dictators killed those people. They weren't communist countries at all.
Power corrups and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Communism has always been victim to this, except in Vietnam (that I have seen). Where the communist party rule the one party state and people are happy, patriotic and far more support a free market system than in the US.
It is a successful democracy and should be a model to other countries. But clowns like to go bananas every time the C word comes up.
This entire conversation was eye opening and highly entertaining. Love seeing Malice return and I really enjoyed the intelligent discussions between him and Yaron.
It takes a very special kind of talent to be able to extract anything intelligent from Yaron Brook. I've come to really like, respect & admire Michael Malice, but being able to make Yaron Brook worth listening to at all puts him in a different league. If he was able to do that for almost 5 hours (I'm skeptical to say the least), that's God-tier interlocuter material.
@@lachlanbell8390 Yaron seems reasonable, not sure why you have to say this stuff.
@@michaeljackson8002 Yaron's a blind ideologue, so detached from reality he borders on lunatic. If this is your only exposure to him then perhaps he may seem reasonable - my comment was specifically noting how unusual it is for anyone to extract something reasonable from him, meaning this was a significant anomaly.
@@lachlanbell8390 is yaron the white haired dude? because this is my first exposure to him and he seemed like a blind ideologue, like a religious zelot.
Yea it's like talking to Joseph McCarthy
More is articulately covered in this 30 min clip than most children will learn throughout all of K-12. Shame on these schools, and bravo to you three gentlemen! 👏🏽
if you paid attention theres much more you would learn in school lmao
Yeah it's almost like these guys went through K-12 and are able to communicate effectively
Did you actually go to school?
Sorry about the quality of the comments to your post thus far. Yeesh.
There was almost nothing of value to learn here and if you don't learn at least 10x more in school, there is a problem with that teacher (or you paying attention)
Lex: You are equating COmmunism with Stalinism
Yaron Brooks: I dont know what Stalinism is and I dont care
Oof
"Which was worse - Nazi's or Communists?" Answer - The Nazi's did not have to put in minefields and barbed wire to keep their citizens from fleeing.
They did have a murder industry. The soviets at least made you work before they killed you, they didn't do it based on who your parents where in most cases. I would say they are both unimaginably terrible in different ways.
nelson mandela was communist so were most of the revolutuonaries that freed africa from colonization so
@Big Cheeso Guess what communists did
@Big Cheeso You are not a serious person and clearly not informed enough to even have an opinion in this discussion.
@Big Cheeso You should pick up a history book then. Or hell, just look at China and North Korea right now.
It doesn't really matter. The end result is the same, they just used different methods to get there.
well said
@Chris Jones not really
Fine: as long as you understand the difference between stalinism leninism maoism socialism Marxism anarchism I’m all ok with that. Problem is people just call anything they don’t like is communism/leftism/badbadevil - seemingly without having any understanding of history or political theory.
@Chris Jones oh.. you’re just not aware of countries outside the US. Gotcha..
Orwell fought with the anarchists in Spain btw. The lines are not blurry or unclear for anyone interested to learn.
@@ptv-live You're either free or you're not. You either have rights or you do not. Anything that isn't Democratic and pro individualism is unacceptable. You can talk all day about how your mud from China is different from your mud from Russia, but I refuse to eat it.
“There’s no big difference between fascism and communism.” = I have no idea what I’m talking about.
There are differences to people who are autistic and live in their heads, to people who live in the real world and measure consequences/things that matter, the two are alike in all the ways that matter; causing widespread misery and suffering. I don't need to read piles of Marxist literature like you to "understand" it. Get out of your mind and examine the real world outcomes. And to say they have no idea when fascism has roots in marxism shows that you actually have no idea. But you'll never change and i have no idea why I waste my time anymore. Habit, I guess.
In terms of the end product, not much. In terms of its flavour and modalities, lots of differences.
@@gs7828truth.
There isn't much difference in practical outcomes
What do you think, why the zionists wanted a national home for the jews and what does that say about the zionists?
This "debate" needs to be condemned, because it is full of academic dishonesty. This video needs to questioned more than listened to.
elaborate
Sure dispute one fact
This Brooks guy doesn't make a single argument. "This is evil" "This is wrong". He provides zero arguments or evidence.
To me it is blatantly obvious which one is more against the individual. The one which intentionally killed millions of its own citizens.
The 120+ million people dead in Russia alone under Communism is more than enough to prove the evil of communism you dolt.
Malice seems far more interesting and mentally flexible than Brook, Brook also gets a few things wrong, the Idea that people have certain rights predates the founding fathers.
The part of the US Declaration Of Independence that mentions "inalienable rights..." was very heavily influenced by the writings of John Locke, who had been dead for more than 70 years at that point.
Yeah at times Yaron speaks authoritatively on stuff he barely has read. Natural rights theory predates the constitution for some time, and can be seen in common law concepts which were adopted into the American legal system, along with Locke, etc.
Brooks did mention the Romans and Greeks before he mentioned the founding fathers though.
It’s actually “unalienable Rights”, defined in Blackstone’s Law as “without law or border”. It seems a quirk, but words matter and there is a reason they carefully chose what they wrote.
Look up Jefferson’s first draft of the Declaration of Independence, the “long train of abuses and usurpations”. Why did they choose those words?
Our Founders were very learned men, despite their faults and shortcomings.
Look up on YT, particularly for now of 03 July 2021, Paul Harvey’s wonderful orations of “Our Lives... Our Fortunes... Our Sacred Honor” and “From Freedom To Chains”. Think about the time in which Mr. Harvey’s presentations of these. Magna Carta. Luther’s Thesis’
Not one of those 56 men reneged on their Blood 🩸 Oath. Our Nation was built on that Pledge, that Oath. Not one. Genesis, Abram’s struggle with God, Jacob’s struggle with God. That’s where that Blood 🩸 Oath came from. And too much has been shed for it. Far too much.
“I __________do solemnly swear, or affirm( I say swear and affirm, look up why both are in there) So help me, God!”
Happy 4th of July America 🇺🇸, a crap ton of people have sacrificed, bled and died trying to build it. We must bleed to keep it. “What makes the grass grow....”
@@ronaldlollis8895 Careful how you apply that last phrase. A training mantra for soldiers to (temporarily?) shed a little of their humanity so they can kill when needed on the battlefield being applied to domestic politics is a historically proven recipe for atrocities.
He also skipped from the Greeks right past the Roman republic…to the US founding.
"Fascists don't know what fascism is." Gold sir.
@@Gaming-Shed Yeesh.
@@Gaming-Shed Less intrusive government, support of individual constitutional rights, live and let live attitude (just want to raise their family and be left alone). How are these MAGA values 'fascists'?
Also, event the alt right, led primarily by people like Richard Spencer, are for a peaceful separation so they can live in a 'pure society'. Nothing for enslaving anyone. They have literally the same views on race that some on the far left have pushing for segregation by race and viewing people by their appearance.
@@Gaming-Shed if you think the Republican Party is fascist you’re a dam idiot
communists don't know what communism is- the 'holohoax is fake -communism killed far more than fascism
Antifas don’t know what fascisme is you mean
People are largely ignorant of communism. That is by design of Democrats. Stalin murdered twice as many people as Hitler, and Mao murdered more than both of them combined. Democrats allowed the teaching of the evil of Nazism for the sole purpose of using it to smear the Christian Republican right as being Nazis. Nazism is little different than communism and Democrats of the 1930s endorsed all of them. I see fascism, socialism, communism, and Nazism as all the same totalitarianism as Marxism based on imperialism with government as its own god. They all have absolute rule by dictators. They all use thugs. And they all make the people slaves. The only difference I’ve seen between the lot of them is that socialism and communism are agrarian based that killed tens of millions of people to become industrial, while fascism and Nazism are both already industrial-based putting corporations under government rule. Nazism just ads an element of racism. They are all leftist ideologies. The idea that some of them are rightwing is merely a leftwing fallacy and trope by which to demonize the righteous. The left is slavery and the right is liberty. That, or simply good and evil, is the only way that all of their ideological beliefs make sense. Anarchists are just extreme leftists who want everyone to do things their way in the ultimate act of selfishness not willing to submit to any authority except themselves. The Democrats today, the party of slavery and Jim Crow laws, are smearing Republicans as being the Nazis is just slanderous propaganda. The alt-right only exists as a leftist foil by which to condemn Republicans. Democrats are wholly Marxist in their ideology which endorses the government holding the people as their slaves with elites ruling over the masses. They will use any propaganda to sway the ignorant in order to dupe fools to part from their money in response to the fear and hate of climate change and racism that Democrats propagate. I also see the Borg, not as communists, but as Islamists being the ultimate socialist ideology in which all the people behave the same and are slaves to their elite masters. They are not a race unto themselves, but absorb peoples from other groups and make them all the same as slaves to their master. Lastly, Marx was no Christian. He was an atheist who wanted to make his own version of Utopia and, like all absolutist totalitarians, he would simply kill anyone who stood in his way.
I love this. It was (and still is) always hard to wrap my mind around what fascism and communism actually mean and how they grow, outside of wikipedia definitions. Great content, subscribed!
The guy on the right using communism, leftism , and socialism interchangeably shows how unbiased he is.
@@PS987654321PS I admit I don't know how to interpret your comment. Anyway, in case it wasn't clear, my previous one was missing the (I thought plainly obvious) /s at the end.
@@vladmitrache6373 😂
@@vladmitrache6373 These reduce to the same flawed institutional design and will repeat the same history. Each call for misappropriation of democracy as an authoritarian state device. The extent and nuance of such a flaw is besides the point. Human rights abrogation is readily predictable from these groups and not avoidable by these groups.
Leftist reject a blanket judgment of their common flaws for lack of applying orthodox philosophy concerning social science and political science. This presents another and dynamic flaw in socialist ideation - it has been outside of the mainstream for 200 years and crucially during the scientific revolution in acadamia.
Another great podcast! But I still think Lex is a Robot.
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@@keymold4405 Mathematicians lack common sense. Lol.
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Yes
A bunch of people talking about subjects they don't like, but argue they shouldn't learn about to prevent it.
Mussolini was a brilliant writer. He translated Nietzsche from German to Italian himself.
That would make him a good translator, not a brilliant writer. He just copied someone else's writing into a different language.
@@cshartley101 I mean, he also wrote himself as well. This is well-known.
@@cshartley101 He was a journalist, director and theorist too. The man also used extremist gang violence to portray himself as mild and the only possible person able to hold the radical fringes of the party (while controlling them). The Italian (theory of tension) was also used in the Cold War, with dubious funding going to both far left and far right terrorrism and Italy remaining solidly at the US's side with a centrist, pro-Church government for decades.
@@gs7828:: Italy didn't have much of a choice as the United States destroyed all Progressive/Communist/Socialist Movements in Italy. They supported "former" Fascists in the Italian government ; just as they supported "former" NZIS in positions of power in Germany after the War. The United States has been "advising" Italy for many, many decades.
"Pro-Church" ?
_YIKES ❗️_
Everytime someone brings up musolini I burst into laughter. That man, his leadership and Italy during fascism were so terrible in every field possible: the military was so bad, unsuccessful and incompetent (trash navy, they made trashiest tanks that the world has ever seen, italian military failed at every task possible...), the idea of restoring the Roman empire could only be done in a dream, the country was in a stagnation...
It is interesting at the end he mentions Richard Wolff and democratic work places, immediately disregards it, then goes on to talk about how remarkable the development of political democracy was. Is his point that we are so lucky to have political democracy that pushing for economic democracy would be pushing our luck?
This man is ridiculous alongside the rest of them you can't say something is evil when evil forces were working against said states nonstop
yep exactly. It is sad that the west has not moved one inch forward since McCarthy.
@@janinemarcuse6406 that's exaggerating
@@benjaminjoeBF3 it’s a side effect of reading too much Rand and philosophy.
Lex, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is easily one of your best interviews ever. And that's bold of me to say, because you've had a LOT of great interviews.
Lex, we need more people like you in this world. Keep doing what you're doing bro!
How about challenging the numbers of these 100 million the two sources are the black book of communism which includes nazi soldiers killed and russian soldiers that died fighting said nazis.
Do you think that's the "evils of communism", not to mention the unsubstantiated claims in the book with no historic or evidentiary backing such as skull pits, death records, etc etc.
Also the gulag archipelago which is a complete fabrication by the author.
As a Hungarian whose country has been led by both fascists and SOCIALISTs, I think Yaron is very ignorant. First of all, the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics (USSR/Soviet Union) was a horrible state, but it was SOCIALIST, not communist. And then he literally states that he doesn't care what Stalinism is and that it's the same as anarcho-communism. You can look at this any way you want, but this was the perfect example of ignorance.
This is the kind of discussion that happens when you have one person in the room with views based upon a very superficial knowledge of something, and won't learn enough about the topic to warrant changing them.
Equating Communism and Fascism with each other is reductive, and so is basing views of abstract concepts on real events which are basically determined by other factors. You can't really judge political ideologies using historical events because historical events are determined by factors far more powerful then ideologies. Ideologies are literally just ideas, and often powerless in the face of reality. I don't think there has been a single form of government in the whole of human history which has been inspired by an ideology which has ever stuck to that ideology in the face of real world circumstances. When you criticize historical figures like Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, etc. you are criticizing their actions, and not abstract philosophies which they are linked to because those ideologies almost always evaporate when faced with having to make decisions which in the end benefit the decision maker over the ideology they aspire to.
The problem is when the struggle between the communist/fascist ideologies and reality begin they both leave similar results which is death in the millions compared to any other ideological/philosophical clash with reality. That’s what they meant. No matter how you twist communism or facism. There’s only one thing awaiting everyone and that’s a genocide nothing less!
Point taken. However even tho I consider myself somewhat erudite I still had to read your comments more then once.
This is great. Thanks for taking the time to write it. This whole comment section is riddled with gems.
Your 2 comments add much to this loathsome conversation.
Here’s the thing with this debate: it’s about investigating totalitarianism. Communism has run far longer in power for a start. Fascism gave us the Holocaust but how many high schoolers know about the Holodamor? Fascism is a type of socialism anyway that differs only in their economic organization and myth preference. .
Economic organisation is the defining characteristic of socialism
Well said.
Fascism didnt give us the Holocaust, Mousollini succumbed to the race theory just prior to WW2, while he himself had a Jewish lover - Margarita Zarfati...
Other than that, i agree that both systems are collectivist, centralized and totalitarian regimes...
@@ShawarMoni Mousollini's definition of fascism is not as widely accepted as palingenetic fascism.
How many people know Churchill caused the Bengal famine which was comparable to Holodamor?
“History doesn’t care about your feelings.”
This is like....actually inaccurate... a big part of studying history is interpretation.
Was this event good or bad, why? What should we take from that event? That why is often feelings and identifying what part is valuable is often feelings. Many of the moral aspects of history are about feelings and the person studying the history's feelings.
@@rickmoranis7556 I think history doesn't care about your feeling, but your feelings towards history dictate what you learn (or not) from it
Remember, History was written by the victors. So it kinda indeed care for the feeling, especially the winning side. If Nazi is the one who wins the ww2, or German Empire is the one who win the ww1 the history that is written will be totally different that the current one we own
@@Angelo-nd4lg oh yeah, because the rest of the world doesn't have dictators and/or communists. /s
“Okay, nerd”
Nah the immediate 100 million comment tells you that bro isn't arguing in good faith or doesn't know anything about what he's arguing about.
He's using the usual figure they all use to denounce Communism. That was a good catch on your part !
For the average citizen, there is no difference.
Brilliant! Three sharp minds not necessarilly agreeing every point, showing us the importance of understanding history.
I like this format of 2 guests.
Yaron? Sharp? Lol. He sounds no different than a crooked pastor. All dogma and fear, no basis in reality (as is often the case with the “facts don’t care about your feelings” types).
@@morkallearns781 Indeed, he is awful!
@@morkallearns781 ur sad he shit on the ideologies? 😅
Old dude sounds like he doesn't know what communism is. He only knows what governments that called themselves socialist have done.
@@sirairili1570 all libertarians are morons
It's a fallacy to believe that our capitalist system doesn't also dictate our lives and suppress individualism.
Suppression of individuals isn’t the denial and prosecution of an individual
We never had a capitalist system. Ever heard of a mixed economy?
Under a capitalist system youre free to be who you want and do what you want, it just doesnt meant you'll be successful.
@@conveyor2 Capitalism means, somewhat simplified, that businesses are privatly owned. America has capitalism because America has private businesses.
@@Henrikko123 I would say that's extremely simplified but according to your very simplified definition, I would say yes but nominally so. Private property in this country has been and is being infringed upon by the state all the time. If the government gets to decide without your approval how much of your income they can take and when they take it then how can you say that you really own your income? Self ownership is the basis of private property yet I can't decide to voluntarily purchase a drug like cocaine or acid etc etc and have this in my possession without risk of being taken by the state and being forced to wait in their facilities and then pay my legal fees and fines and to "society". Dispensaries cannot sell to people who have reached their two week limit dictated by the state. Eminent domain is one of the most horrendous violations of private property rights. We're definitely moving away from the direction of laissez-faire (have been for years).
...there is nothing to learn from Yaron Brook other than 'how being opinionated to this extent makes one wrong about just about everything ' ...and even when Brook is right he is right for the wrong reasons.
COMUNISM IS ON THE LEFT... SOCIALISM IS ON THE RIGHT. ACCORDING TO KARL MARX BACK IN THE 1900s. THESE ARE ONLY THE TWO CHOICES.... AND THEY ARE ONLY THE IDEAS of the LEFT in the USA. BOTH ARE BIG Government like PLANTATION STYLE GOVERMENTS Where PEOPLE ARE LIKE COWS... THE MORE YOU HAVE THE MORE MONEY YOU AS A GOVERNMENT CAN AQUIRE AND TAX. like prostitution of children and women... you can make lots more money when you have lots more of your undocumented workers. BUT... there are more forms of government then just COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM and DEMOCRACIES... WHO USUALLY END UP EITHER SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST.
FACISM is a tool that a government uses... it is not a form of government. FASCISM is undercuting all of the news and media and tv channels to only allow your scripted media like cnn msnbc abc fox tyt and vox do. only they control what is allowed on tv and its only ideas about how great socialist are and big government democract ideas who own the ideas and hearts of people by putting them in welfare and slave buckets. FASCISt ideas and people who support fascism dont see they are the fascist because they are to big and or control all of the media and quiet the religoius people and freedom to choose a god. IN most cases Fascism is found in comunist democrats or socialist governments... because they use their power to ensure no one else has a voice.
DEMOCRATS are the FASCISt of today who are trying to inch the usa into SOCIALIST ideas and Grandure of owning mexico and canada and their people. they use the usas good will and manipulate their generosity and cause wars with russia to own the people of Ukraine. they practice making killer viruses like covid 19 to make billions of dollors off of the dying people who subit to their medicine thourgh phizer and moderna.
You can learn that people hope for redeeming philosophy to come from Marx even though Marx has been dead a long time and he's not coming up with anything more than the zero contributions recorded in orthodox sociology and economics.
More people need to hear this ☝🏼
I would say all people need to hear this
Why? Because the world of the guy in the blue shirt is black and white and his brain is full of propaganda. This guy is absolutely brainwashed.
@@foshizzlfizzl If you are correct about him being brainwashed that then that is exactly why people need to hear it. So they can recognize the brainwash as you see it, assuming he is brainwashed. Censoring people is a bad road to travel down
@@jaydee5447 I'll give it to you, that's at least an argument.
@@foshizzlfizzl 🙏🏻 appreciate the fact you’re honest enough to recognize that
When Michael realized Yaron was just going to interrupt he stopped trying to make points (for a few minutes) to make jokes and its such a better way than butting heads.
Yet they still have a conversation not an argument. Lex seems to be a master Craftsman when it comes to crafting these conversations. Anyone ever seen him get bent out of shape with a guest yet? Not that hes immune to it but I bet he meditates lol
not a fan of "Michael" … the truth was spoken by Yaron … interrupting or not interrupting
@@drstrangelove09 LMAO you made it clear thats just cause you werent taking him serious cause his points clashed with your world view
@@grafvonvorneundeinskometen7893 I think that Yaron spoke the truth
@@drstrangelove09 Yaron wouldn't even have come to Israel if his parents weren't Socialists. He probably wouldn't even be alive if the Soviets didn't crush the Nazis.
@@mybirthday1986 I honestly don’t understand your point? Communists have had more deaths and has more widespread terror then Nazism.
I love the way these two guys argue in such a civil and respectful manner.
African American slavery was infinitely worse than the Holocaust and Stalin was magnitudes worse than Hitler.
Polish people would pray to be captured by Nazis instead of Soviets. Being a Nazi POW meant food and somewhere to sleep being a Soviet POW meant sleeping in the elements and fighting other POWs to death for scraps of bread
@chen661 lost for words... Genuinely.
The gas chambers were odourless and painless... Was the Holocaust even that bad? Such an efficient and humane way to deal with such a problem right?
That's how you sound.
@@skp8748 African slavery was not worse than the Holocaust as people during the Holocaust were systematically murdered compared to slavery where the idea was to keep the slave alive so they would work. Both are horrible crimes against humanity but one is clearly worse than the other
@@skp8748 Hitler killed 50 million people compared to Stalin who killed 12 million. Now tell me how Stalin is worse than Hitler?
@@maxsportsman2416 loool more people died at sea in the transatlantic slave trade...
Yeah sure dying is worse than watching your arm amputated, your wife raped or your child the property of another....
Stupid beyond reason. Holocaust wasn't even four years transatlantic slavery was 400
This guy has a surface level understanding of Marx and Communism
Who are you talking about?
Sure bud
Lojomc, favorite npc dialogue of a commie, and then deny attrocity
@@fizkallnyeilsem ...what?
@@lojomc9311 is what you said when i slept with ur mom
How is this a question? This is what decades of cold war propaganda looks like
@Las Vegas Free Press Which corner do you feel safer on when you say something negative about the ruling party, especially when police are closer or farther away?
What killed more, communism or facism ?
From a pure utilitarian standpoint, communism and communists have killed far more people than the fascists.
@@starrattmaster I believe it's a trick question. Both have cost countless lives and are at heart violent ideologies. For some reason one group (idiot democrats) love the idea of communism and call the other group fascist when they are both.
Roman Shumko if you think democrats are actually communist and not just corporatist liberals then you’re truly delusional
As someone who is from Russia former Soviet Union I wish The west would teach Stalinism and Communism to the kids in history class and talk about what actually happens to people during those times.
Mass murder thats what happend
@Spalien Acecraft I think his point was contrary to yours if he's advocating teaching stalinism
@Spalien Acecraft why would they correlate wanting for a actual form of marxist analysis (that is a functioning theory in itself expanded upon lenin and marxs understanding of class relations and in itself the functional capacity of proletarian statehood) with what the west would choose to focus on in education in their own education systems. Do you not understand what stalinism is or how dialectical materialism functions? Like you critique a theory as being "bad" but lack the context to directly address the function of material reality of said theory in practice. You don't understand communism because you haven't spent the time to understand its function. That is text book reactionary thinking.
I don't think people in the West (green haired university students that embarrassingly call themselves Communists) even know what the Cheka or NKVD are. These two groups alone (secret police) far surpass any other regime for complete psychopathic blood lust.
I'm from England and half of our history class was Lenin, Stalin, 5 year plan, Communism etc :)
1. Dictatorship 2. Question mark 3. Utopia.
The perfect cultural reference, Mr. Malice :-)
Cracked me up
I lived in Russia for a year from 2003 to 2004.. I went to Buryat. A woman I met was member of the Komsomol. Communism is "From each according to his ability. To each according to his need" There were times during the Brezhnev era when it kind of worked. This woman was in charge of distributing the small amounts of foreign goods would arrive. There would be a long queue. Some got, some didn't. The problem was the downfall of the whole system. Those left out would often snitch on the ones who got. I hear this happening right now from INSIDE RUSSIA!
Malice does not let you get away with unfinished thinking haha
"I don't know what Stalinism is, and I don't want to know."
Well there you go.
Well if you don’t know. How are you going to avoid it?
@@lucasrackley250 Exactly.
What? If you dont know it then how dare you to oppose it. Basically that's what the entire conversation bases on, both of them dont know anything about communism yet they still talk about it as if they have read every scientific book about communism that have been written
@@du42bz Both of them know very well what communism is, he said he doesn't care for how specifcially stalinism is different from communism.
@@Failzz8 if he doesn't know what stalinism is then he doesn't know what communism is.
Have you ever heard the phrase "throw the baby out with the bathwater"
I usually just tend to say that Communism is veiled Fascism and that describes it pretty well i think.
They are both authoritarian that doesn't make them the same.
Fascism is just honest Communism.
Probably the single most interesting discussion I've ever listened to! I wish i could've been a fly on the wall, but was able to chime in once in awhile
The fact that they compare these to each other shows that McCarty did his job.
Stalin did a lot of the legwork
@@JimmytheDoctor I don't see the same energy for Jacobins or the USA empire which is the worst thing in human history.Fascism is the corporate state that protect the bourgeoisie .Guys like Stalin and Jacobins are the analogy of ancient tyranny.Aristocracy and tyranny wasn't the same.Tyranny was more "people-friendly".One embargo from China to USA and will become a nightmare with civil war,fascist state,etc.Imagine a poor Soviet Union to has all the planet against them(not only embargo but also the threat of war) it's easy a situation like this to born a phenomeno like Stalinism or Jacobinism.Trotsky has explain it in his work.There are not all in the intellectual and moral level of Lenin or Trotsky to handle a situation like this.Cuba has make a good job under so much pressure, but the revolution must be global there is no other way.
The Red Scare never ended
Brook brings up Borg as an example of communism in Star Trek, while forgetting to mention the other communist fraction - the Federation.
except the federation isn’t communist. i will not accept this slander lol
CHE6yp :: The Borg is some kind of Collective AI, I think. Straps you of your humanity ! Survives only if all think as one unit ! Yes ! The Borg is the end-game of Capitalism.
The Federation is Futuristic, United States' White Nationalists.
The Federation is “communist” in the loosest of senses, and material basically becoming infinite in Trek would radically shift everything realistically speaking.
Communism is worse. Far worse.
Thank you Lex for inviting me to get more information. Don't know if I love you, but I sure do appreciate your content.
Yaron’s driving me crazy, but I’m glad to hear him talk.
How you can find Yaron more annoying that Malice I really don't get. He's the kind of guy who's always looking to make a 'smart' comment and have a 'gotcha' moment in a discussion. Complete insecure little weasel. And not that smart at all.
@@zootsoot2006 Right? I kept wanting to hear what Yaron was saying and he kept getting cut off before he could get his point across lo.
@@zootsoot2006 Yes
what about the elephant in the room? corona fascism that is spreading throughout the world
Lex, having two guests and an experience of "live socratic method" works very well. Fun podcast and lively debate here. 👍
@Kostas Kapasakis The Socratic method is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions.
@@jims6274 I commented elsewhere that it’s so rare to see today. The magic of RUclips allows us access to such enlightening and lively discussions in these formats from the 60’s and 70’s, and I feel lex proved himself a worthy moderator, I hope he considers more pods in this style.
@@jims6274 :: Thank you for that explanation for modern ears. I would have lost brain cells listening to Socrates' convolutions, especially translated from Greek !
You should have Adam Curtis come on to talk about individualism
There is a saying that an expert does not deal in extremes. Especially in topics where the answer is not definit or depend on opinion and world view.
A super important conversation about something that is rarely talked about.
No drama or exploding emotions just matter of fact.
That was really really good !
Thank you so much !
It reminded me of the lively debates of the 60’s and 70’s that we’re now lucky enough to have access to on RUclips. Where sparks may fly, but the focus remains on topic, allowing for a healthy, lively discourse and exchange of ideas. Would love to see more eps where Lex acts as the moderator of two debating guests, it’s certainly a rare skill set he’s proven he possesses in this video.
Edit: clarification
Rarely talked about? Anti communism is literally part of the curriculum in public school.
@@ZUGZUGGERING maybe where you live, but not here.
@@Peekingduck and where is that?
@Peekingduck it's pathetic how often anti communists play the victim when the holocaust was at its core an anti communist program
They are both based on Marx philosophies and the end result and objectives are the same, but fascist make no qualms about what they are and what they intend. Communist do. Which is worse the honest evil or the dis honest one. The real question is does it matter.
Why are communists held directly responsible for deaths due to starvation but capitalists, facists and monarchists are not?
Communism: 1. Division, 2. Revolution, 3. Dictatorship, 4. ? , 5. Utopia
@@canadagoose8543 perhaps. I dunno. I thought I was only summarizing what someone said in the video.
More interesting is post-Marxist Critical Theory and dialectic problemic: Let's say systemic nonsense and anti-nonsense. Denial of nonsense is evidence of nonsense and acceptance of the nonsense dialectic. These are the problems and anti-problems without solution. Yet the goal is implicit: polarized division, confusion, conflict, revolution.
Anyone claiming that Communism is utopian doesnt know what Communism is
Until men with power are willing to humble their egos and cease worshiping at the shrine of the self by dropping the powers they wield over large groups of others, powerful men will continue to degrade the others and ultimately themselves through persistent historical violence. Human beings are not an isolated phenomenon from the world around us. Our existence is systemic.
@@shanetoumey2835 or women not women
Whether its a Left Boot, or a Right Boot,
It matters not when its on your neck
Congrats for lex's questions and for pointing out the difference between stalinism and communism
Stalinism was communism. That was some ignorant shit.
The difference is that fascists work together with capitalists and communism nationalises the means of production
The reason socialism never works is because my wife told me , I don't want much but I do want more.
Careful there, her boyfriend might tell her to leave you.
@@AlexsaurusRex 😂
"Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff."
-Frank Zappa
@@malcolmnicoll1165 and think stuff, and see stuff, and enjoy stuff...
@@malcolmnicoll1165 and to eat
While it's interesting to hear a different point of view, it's impressive what objectivism can do to a person. Yaron Brooks' simplistic view of history and equivocation between nazism and communism is astounding.
Sometimes, things are simple
And this isnt lol @@Max-kr2nl
Communism wasn't just a terrible ideology that lead to human suffering and terrible consequences for society. From an economic standpoint, it is wildly inefficient compared to capitalism. In a communist state, if they produce 100 tons of steel, they have to decide whether to make forks or build a metro subway.
It is completely nuts to believe that 10 guys or a dictator in a room has that much power over the resources of a nation and has to decide which place it would be put to better use. It's so true also, the thing that unites communism to nazism is the same thing that separates them.
One bet on inclusion and the other on exclusion, but they both need a dictator to guide them to this path, all for the greater of the proletariat or the Aryan race.
JorgeRafaelAssis ::
Is capitalism more efficient ... really ?
Boom and Bust cycles !
Bear & Bull Markets.
Depressions and Recessions.
Corporate Bail-Outs, financed by the taxpayers. Taxpayers' financed Corporate Rearch & Development. Corporate waste-disposal in poor neighborhoods. Environmental Degradation by Capitalists. Climate-Catastrophe ! Air-pollution ! Corporate Racketeering. Child-Labor !
Please read Michael Parenti and Noam Chomsky. They will lead you to other realistic authors/economists.
You can put any color sticker you want to on a pile of skulls
Here in Brazil we have a "communist party" and people don't see it as an issue.It's terrifying.
Did you even watch the video? Bolsanaro is exactly the kind of fascist strongman they described.
@@sunnybonnell409 No, that's just what the international press presents to the world. Don't believe the press. We're current living under a semii-dictatorial regime here. But our dictator is the supreme court, not the president.
@@vilelaone A right wing dictator, yes?
@@johnchristopher3032 No, but it doesn't matter. A dictator is a dictator.
[insert Mr. Incredible pointing to the table image here]
@@johnchristopher3032 A dictator who restores the right to bear arms?
Should be titled Communism vs National Socialism which isn’t the same as fascism. Italy wasn’t even close to as bad as the Soviet Union
Many leftists in America in the 20’s and early thirties spoke words of admiration for Mussolini.
What I got from this was that Fascism is "positive thinking" as a governing ideology. That makes some motivational posters much more sinister than I remember them.
@@jamiedelorenzo5220 Communism is based on a perceived power imbalance between workers and employers and is attempting to address it. Fascism is based on the will to power philosophy, which is more or less "if you can imagine it, it will bend to your will", which encourages positive delusional thinking and behavior.
@@jamiedelorenzo5220 I was never defending Communism, it's just as dumb.
@@jamiedelorenzo5220 The road to evil is paved with good intentions, that doesn't make it less evil, it just has better excuses.
@@jamiedelorenzo5220I think your issue is me only making fun of Fascism. So here's this:
Communism is tall-poppy syndrome, if someone grows too tall, they chop their head off in the name of equality, but when nobody's tall enough to get the food out of the pantry, everyone starves.
I hold no loyalty to any ideology other than "funny", everything is a target of ridicule for me.
@@jamiedelorenzo5220 It'd be redundant because we already have a name for modern Communists, SJWs. They're known for doing the same things and even using terms from the Soviet Union like the term "politically incorrect", and they embrace it. Like if I poke fun of them for being a commie, they'd just say "yes, and what's your point?".
"nothing positive to learn from Hitler" that is an incredibly naive statement to make
Now why would they say that
Hitler was a socialist. Although everyone on the Left will scream and throw a fit and lie if you say that. They desire socialism. And since Hitler has throughly been put into the category of evil, socialist ideology must not be allowed to be associated with him.
@@BenMJay you literally replace the bouginuose with Hebrew and workers of the world with German...and if the Germans could come in at any time and take the corporation away what difference does it make they had limited capitalism.. tik literally has 4 hours of proof.. all I hear from left he's racist so nooo well the cccp is literally on every single level possible. Yatzi Germany
@@BenMJay check this out bro history is literally repeating
You will never silence me Hebrew tube I will literally post a trillion note times
"X is a bourgeois extravagance" is my new phrase to everything
Jews are
Yaron Brook vs Slavoj Zizek Will be a blast
Here's a video of basically the same thing (lol):
ruclips.net/video/JJ8I0W9f0LY/видео.html
@@Experimentaccount1 hahahaha this was great, Slavoj Zizek had to be restrained lol
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FREE ASSANGE!!!!!!
Maybe but zizek is insufferable to listen to because of all the noises he's constantly making
I don't know who the grandpa is but he's obviously triggered by communism far more than fascism (even though he tries to pretend he feels equally about both).
He's the head of the Ayn Rand institute, and an excruciatingly delusional ideological zealot. I've only listened to a couple of the clips from this podcast, but it's literally the first time I've ever heard anyone extract something worthwhile from Yaron Brook. I love Lex, his podcast, and Michael Malice, but the moment I saw Yaron Brook's name I instantly dismissed the podcast as listening material. While I still find Brook insufferable, these clips make me feel like the value might outweigh the cost enough to make it bearable.
@@lachlanbell8390 What is he delusional about? I seem to vaguely remember one interview he did with the excruciatingly vapid Dave Rubin and I got literally zero worth out of that. So we agree on the worthwhile part.
I felt like he spoke in platitudes and wishy-washy stuff, but delusional, or wrong?
@Ari Fed "media and big tech cover"... Ahahah! Not hard to guess which side you're on
@@jesperburns He's a radical individualist, and a fanatical free market fundamentalist. He's one of the wingnuts who believes the world would be a utopian paradise if we didn't have any government-operated institutions or infrastructure, that we'd all be better off if there were no police, no fire departments, no public roads, etc. The idea that "mUh FrEe MaRkEt" is the optimal solution to any and all problems is fucking insane. It's completely ignorant of basic-bitch economic concepts like externalities and the tragedy of the commons, not to mention the most rudimentary elements of game theory. I could go on, but to keep it brief - he's delusional, AND he's wrong. About almost everything. Sure, there are some basic principles that can be extracted from individualist ideology and incorporated into a more sophisticated picture of reality, but anything taken to its extreme is absurd, and ideological extremists are delusional by definition.
@@lachlanbell8390 lmao watch the podcast you fool. He literally argues the opposite of everything you’ve just said. Jesus
They forget communism is a Jewish idea
Italian Fascism should not be compared to Stalinism or National Socialism.
I once went there on a date in NYC with a young woman who told me "I know about this really cool bar!" It was called "The KGB Bar."
The walls were adorned with images of Communist propaganda, hammer & sickle images, as well portraits and photos of Stalin and Lenin. Even if it was meant to be ironic (which it obviously wasn't), it was still outrageous and disgusting! I was not impressed, and told my date as much. I asked her if she would go to a bar called the "SS Bar" or the "Gestapo Bar" complete with images of swastikas and Hitler. She said, "Of course not!" and was visibly indignant at the suggestion that there was an equivalence. By the time I got to tallying up the Communist death count, the date was obviously already over. I'd like to think that she learned something from the uncomfortable experience, but I doubt it. She was just another typical 20-something New Yorker. As far as I know, the KGB Bar is still there, glorifying a murderous regime.
Whoa! New Yorker here and I never heard of this KGB Bar!
Now I want to visit, even if out of morbid curiosity.
Wow! That speaks volumes about American culture, education, media, and entertainment.
Do they have ... coupons?
Ugh glad you dropped this deluded youth.
@@overclucker Everyone pays the same
"To me, a nazi and a communist are the same". 100,000,000%.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, please, yes.
Q:Which was more evil?
A: Yes.
But fascism isn't a economic system. I don't understand the question
1. What is worse, NAZism, or Comunism?
2. What is worse, getting shot in the head with an MP40, or a PPSH?
Doesn't really matter, does it?
Why is Hitler different than Churchill, Stalin, Roosevelt, Bush, Clinton, Obama....
I think Michael has a book upcoming
The Borg is Stalinism, but Star Trek's Earth is Space Communism.
Excellent conversation! I wish more people would hear this
should have been called "What was worse for Jews" lol But obviously being an accepted citizen in a Socialist Nationalist nation is beneficial to the citizens. Communism is bad for the neighbors and the citizens. Parasitic pressure will let us see these nightmares again I'm sure. The Spanish flu gave us Nazi Germany, Even Mussolini found hand shaking disgusting... I wonder what corona or something worse will bring.
The underpants gnomes is a framework for decision making that has broad utility.
If communism is "too far left", and nazism is "too far right", where does fascism fit?
Saying evil rly dismisses compelxsity of it all
After watching the whole podcast (not just this clip) I realize I really dislike this Yaron guy. He has some good points, but he is super set in his ways to a point where he literally doesn’t want to hear anyone else’s views or opinions or barely acknowledge them. Idk if it’s because he’s older and has a mind that isn’t elastic anymore or if he thinks he’s more intelligent than others but I can’t handle him cutting off Michael every other time he gets to speak and dismissing his viewpoints (and Lex’s) as if they are completely wrong.
He works for something called the "Ayn Rand Institute". If there ever was a window of time in which he was open to intellectual honesty and changing his mind, it is long gone. Just another political talking head backed up by donors.
"objectivist"
Nah I think it's cause he's the oldest in the room and from new York. I disagree with Michael malice on this one though. They're both evil, saying one is less evil than the other also means one is "better" than the other and I refuse any notion that either ideology can be seen as anything less than evil or that somehow evil is relative.
@@vcalv9354 What is so hard to understand about A being more evil than B while both A and B are still horribly evil? -2000 and -1000 are both negative numbers, but one is just further down the spectrum than the other. It would be dumb to see stealing candy from a baby and the Holocaust as the same level of evil, just because they both are evil.
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1. It's not a math equation
2. I wouldn't consider stealing candy from a baby. Immoral and evil aren't the same thing. Evil is evil.
@@takkiejakkie5458 3. How is evil a spectrum?
Yoran made a great point about these collective systems. They all speak in abstracts about the 'workers' doing this, the 'proletariat' doing that. When everyone is in charge no one is in charge, these masses of people will inevitably form some sort of hierarchy or have a spokesman person who will make decisions on behalf of everyone. This is when the authoritarian regime emerges. It's an awful book but I highly recommend people look up the dialogue between Dagny Taggart and the bum in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged because it's a fantastic example of how this collective idea get corrupted instantly and turns people against each other.
What power did the workers gain in the Soviet Union or in China or in North Korea? At what point did they seize the means of production? We don’t pretend every weird little dictatorship is a democracy because they call themselves that. How is it not just out of convenience that we do the same for communism? There has never been communism on a national level. This entire conversation is deeply absurd and stupid
Congratulations, you have discovered the Iron Law of oligarchy, by far one of the most unknown and consistently true concepts in political science, economics and sociology.
Anyone that wants to deal in collective action alone is ultimately defending tyranny. Ignoring the individual paves the path towards misery and violence.
TrophyGuide101 :: Everything Rand thought should always be questioned and debated until a consensus is reached that her brain was full of the shit of bitterness.
We have seen a variety of political/economic and social constructions ... all demonstrating their potential to lead to authoritarianism.
What we have not seen, on a massive scale, is a collective cooperative structure :: full participation ; full debate ; a full and clear understanding of the human values that makes us all human. Once a constitution is written to express our common needs (a Bill of Humanity), articles/chapters and amendments will be easy to establish a constitution based on ::
_I Don't Want That Done To Me and My Family ; Therefore, It Will Not Be Done To You And Yours !_
Fuckin' Exclamation Point.
It's not going to be easy, but a cooperative society, based on similar values of humanity, is worth a try considering our dangerous history.
First ::
Cut the Pentagon's Budget !!
This list can go on for a long time until all topics are discussed -- no matter how much time.
Actually - they are equally evil. What you mean to ask is, which evil system was more effective and devastating in its impact.