The truth behind Bin Laden | Robert Crews and Lex Fridman
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Lex is on 0.5 x speed and the other is on 1.5 x Speed
lmao
I'm listening to it on .75 and need the subtitles as well.
@@goldenbox7803 why are you listening at 0.75?
@@BIMMERBOII I'm multi tasking. I need all the help I can get.
Lex is a mumble rapper
As an Arab when I was a kid I used to like Bin Laden and hate Americans, simply because at the time I was watching (on a daily basis) Muslim Arabs getting killed by the "Americans" and Osama defending them, so when 9/11 happened I thought that was a victory for us, cuz I was 8 and I didn't know any better, later on I learned that killing innocent ppl is wrong and I learned also that American politicians don't represent Americans (the people) but to this day I couldn't "unlike" Bin Laden especially when I'm not sure who really was behind 9/11...
The problem that 9/11 was an inside job from the US and the afghan not that stupid to attack the US
I'm American and just figured it out about 8 years ago cuz I didn't watch TV for a lot of years and didn't know the MSM are lying to the people about everything. Your right about our government for it's compromised on both sides by the new world order freaks and Trump exposed the swamp to the world. No terrorist in planes brought the towers STRAIGHT DOWN for that's impossible without collapsing the whole foundation at one time first and if a plane hit one where the fake picture shows then for sure it would have done lots of damage but it doesn't collapse the whole foundation at one time first no matter the lie they made up. The damage would be different and that's all u need to prove that without evidence only by what and how it happened. Believe me it's the truth and all 3 buildings controlled demolition that's y they fell STRAIGHT DOWN without interfering with any other buildings. Bush gave the orders for it and let me know if u get to read the comment
Bush and Papa Bush CIA. They use to program us young kids during the 80s with a nostradamus video talking about a man with a turbin entering a cave. I'm n the top 6 percentile with a 94 ASVAB TEST SCORE. US Military rendition of Intelligence test. It was obvious a few years after Bin Laden Appeared.Without programming the people wouldvereaxted differently to the suspicious 9/11 bullshit
People are scared to like your post.
@@carloscontreras3633 I liked it all the way up until he said “”especially when I’m not sure who really was behind 9/11”
This guy talks fast like Ben Shapiro but with a ton of pauses and gaps. Great info but he’s hard to listen to
The three round bursts of podcasts
I kept up just fine ?
I was thinking the same, has has kind of a strange speaking pattern
I thought the opposite.....very easy to listen too. Speaks with a great pacing...
Play at a slower speed!
I'd rather hear this guy doing his best to honest and accurate. Refreshing from the normal propaganda.
I mean, this has been pretty well understood for over a decade now. It’s just that you were called an anti war lib if you brought it up back then.
This is nothing new. Libshits have been repeating this ad nauseum for decades and ignoring the religious islamso fascist element
@@Talleyhoooovery true
you are the one who's late
The last thing Alex says: “Bin laden could accurately speak to the ignorance of the American people”
... to the suffering of his intended audience (specifically)
Hmmm... drumpf spoke accurately to the ignorant american public?
@Michael "Abdullah" Smith It’s the law.
@@evanabbott2737 what, have you got?
@Michael "Abdullah" Smith and a tooth for a tooth. But I say into you..... The rest of that in the new testament that's the part the Hebrews don't read or believe.
Me, I'm a book of Enoch guy. So basically everything originally written on the sumerian tablets was the original text, and Yahweh was copy and pasted over everything. All the stories.
Speaking as an Irishman ( who grew up and still lives in Ireland, not an American who thinks they're Irish ;) ) and as someone who grew up during the "Troubles", terrorism was an ant-Empiracle thing. While the Irish Government, on paper, together with the Irish security services, actively frowned upon, detained and rejected Sinn Fein and the IRA, the general population, deep down, supported their cause. The Republic was always somewhat removed from the horrendous situation north of the border, where to be a Nationalist was finding yourself deeply entrenched in the ideology of kicking out the British invader from a land that is rightfully yours. All of us knew someone in the IRA. But there too, was an air of mysticism about the boys in balaclavas. Arms were regularly stored in underground bunkers in local farms, as rumoured. Very late night small arms fire could be heard echoing around the mountains from certain forest clearings in and near the Wicklow hills.
There were areas of the Nephin range in Mayo, where I live now, that you just didn't go near, for "there be dragons" as my ex-army Dad would tell me. Empire breeds terrorism, in its purist sense. Nowadays, we have the heavily guarded Portlaoise prison as a current day reminder of the detritus of insurgency.
You look polish
@@lakeflaccid8054 How the hell does anyone "look Polish". And what's that got to do with the price of cabbage?
Ergo those Loyalists living on the Shankill Road in Ulster probably took the same dim view of Irish Republican gunmen threatening to eradicate both them and their British friends and families who had lived in Northern Ireland for centuries.
I'm sure that many Brits living in predominantly protestant areas of Ulster looked upon Loyalist paramilitaries with the same sense of wonder.
No doubt many of them were viewed with a grudging sense of gratitude for what they saw as the armed protectors of their communities from the IRA's bombs & bullets.
@@lakeflaccid8054you look upset
We’ve got a lot of those but even worse than them are the Italians.
Lex has handsdown the best Podcast/Guests/Questions.
hmm, i 100% agree on the first 2, especially guests, and somewhat disagree on his 'questions' but, i hold him to a very high standard. he dodeles sometimes or slows down a good train of thought with an ill timed question or one that take the train of thought off course. and often he just paraphrases what was just said a moment ago. But i do love Lex
This is a fantastic and credible point of view that is never discussed. Thank you both for this grown up conversation. We need a lot more of this style of information dissemination.
I always thought the “they hate us for our freedom” was such a childish and overly simplified take on the conflict.
Look up the bin laden family bush family connections. Look up where h w bush was and who with on 911. Look up the "Arabic" looking men who had been living in the wtc rent free and were "studying bees." FYI Israelis are Arabic and look Arabic...
"They hate us because we encroach on their land, resources, and attempt to sabotage their way of life, to secure our national interests."
Shoutout to Mr. Savino, my 20th century history teacher in HS. Taught me/the class all this about Bin Laden’s background like 7 years ago lol
WOW, this was intense! We are so blind in America to whats really going on over there
Well the US has killed many millions of the people “over there”, so not completely blind.
@@kicka11 well yeah of course, but I mean the politics behind Bin Laden and who he is
Who is "we"? I and others have been following this since the 80s. The honesty is much needed, but (1) there's still far more than being covered here to the whole story (2), Bin Laden just another power seeking sociopath pretending to care about justice for others, the US used when we needed him, and ended up an enemy once we no longer had a use for him. If there's anything the US is truly terrible at, it's failing to realize the vacuum effect created when we are done with an area, a person, conflict, etc. and fail to see long term effects of simply leaving when we see a new shiny ball to go after. Finally, people have to view US decisions/policies on cold war doctrine, which was designed to focus on preventing communism from spreading both physically/literally, and influence. We are still following it to some degree, and or, paying the costs of it, which is where Bin Laden and his ilk come from. Had the US not just pulled out and left Afgan post war with Russia, creating a vacuum, we would not have ended up there in force, but we don't seem to learn lessons on that one. In an effort to beat the commies, we created Bin Ladens of the world, and now dealing with that too. And on it goes...
@@willbrink Weill said. 👍🏼👍🏼
We’re are so blind. Been blind. To me reading about Edward Bernays and seeing the level of manipulation he and other interest groups were carrying out in the early 1900’s suggests quite a bit.
Folks have understood our natures well enough to manage us and steer us like cattle for so so long. And they’ve only gotten better at it.
When people think of propaganda they think of Goerble (sp?) in Germany’s lead up to the 2nd WW....but really Edward Bernays was the dude. He was putting together campaigns to manage public opinion in America prior to that.
I only reference that emphasize that we are absolutely blind. I just wish the propaganda machine promoted peace and harmony cause they could absolutely bring people together. Instead we’re divided
friendly tip: turn on subtitles
Clutch
It's ok. I'm not American.
Why ?
😂
Or change playback speed to 0.75
It’s bizarre to see historians examine things I’ve actually been around to witness. It will be interesting to see how our current era is perceived by historians in another 20 years.
Bold of you to assume that we'll make it that far
that's quite interesting, wasn't it in a CIA program?
Time to dust off all the conspiracy theories from the wing nuts...they're probably true
so crazy because this same story was told to me by a customer of mine purchasing a toyota from me, he explained to me he was a translator in the iraqi war from from 2003-2011 … but literally word for word.
Do you mean that this guy is saying the same words as your customer? Like he's reading from a script?
Can you reiterate the story as you were told?
If it really was world for world it must have come from a book
@@strangebrew1231 you're right sorry, not word for word but the sequence is exactly the same!
@@moragmacgregor6792No I'm pretty sure they're just saying it was pretty much the same story 🤦🏼 not taking everything so literal can come in handy you should try it
It's interesting how hesitant and guarded he is about criticising American/Israeli/Western policy around the world. There is a chilling effect in Academia these days and people who are outspoken critics of those policies get death threats rained on them.
Yeah, I honestly felt he was deflecting a bit when he discussed how Bin Laden invokes the language of environmentalism, social justice, protection of women in his writings. While he does he was pretty clear cut about what specific activities in the Middle East enraged him and other Muslims to the point where 19 took their own lives to carry out 9/11:
1. American support of Israel, particularly with regard to the occupation of Palestine,
2. American sanctions against Iraq in the 90s which are estimated to have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
3. Presence of the US military in Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War and the use of the forces there to carry out airstrikes on Muslims in Iraq
4. US support for other nations engaged in conflict with Muslims in the 90s including Russia in Chechnya, India in Kashmir, Israel in Lebanon and the Philippines conflict.
It's a shame that academics still don't feel that they can be honest in discussing this.
@@Ki11aWi11 He knows he is speaking to a mostly right leaning audience here. He is probably in Texas too so he probably has to be careful what he says and how he says it.
He's part of the whole system
History can never be a serious academic subject. It is only ever written to hide reality or serve future purposes.
😂 do you know any Academics? Hating the US is a job requirement.
First american I've seen trying to really understand and explain the other side's point of view.
Indeed. And understanding doesn’t mean condoning, like the most ignorant amongst us seem to assume.
@@296jacqi a historian shouldn't condone either side anyway .
Why would you try and explain how you made millions off of plundering other people's land. It's not in your best personal interest to do so.
@@sophon238 because it can be a lesson for the future generations of leaders and their people to think better . Also the understanding part should go both ways.
@@OmegaFares I personally don't think understanding alone will solve these problems. Just look at the politicians who readily invade countries. They understand what they're doing very well and yet continue to do so.
Greed and narcissism has to be eliminated first before we can have good faith discussion between different parties otherwise it's a disingenuous waste of time and a continual escalation to an apocalypse.
The way he just pronounces Pakistan and Peshawar makes me think he knows what hes talking about 😂
probably what "they" wanted. Easy deception.
Ima start doing this
@@AmericanMadeAdventures the infinitely illusive “they” lol
@@EntropicVariation by design
@@AmericanMadeAdventures Allah designs everything, not the cia.
Robert crews clearly has been watching videos at 2x speed for too long…
😂😂😂😂
This is great 👍 we need more content about this subject, the western world needs to be better educated about our neighbors and what they think/believe...
Scott Horton has a couple books, one about Afghanistan and one about the terror wars. Worth checking out
The framework of American/Israel geopolitics is based on marginalization and deterrence tactics within Middle East nations that serve to protect/further their own interests
Oh no a country that seeks to protect and further its own interests!
The vapors!
🤦🏾♀️@@d1agram4
Your posted this 2years ago
It unfortunately has aged well👍
This guys speaking pace..... is something to behold. He seems very well..... informed.
It’s so annoying
All over the place and unable to fully make a point. Informed, indeed his. However unable to explain his concept of knowledge on the subject of al queda - bin laden history
This guy is honest. He's telling as it is!
You mean naive. I personally knew some Mujahideen (and an awful lot of their supporters). I know exactly what they are like. He simply is mistaking their rationalizations for thier motive. He basically is a Western version of (Naive) Arabs who thought the US came to Iraq to lebirate it. Or maybe he is one of those Americans who have an implicit God-complex where they think everything wrong in this world is of their (their country's) doing, that's it the are leaning left, (Otherwise they'll think they can "fix" everything that's wrong with other countries)
One should really do one's research before trusting any seemingly wise/seemingly unbiased talk, because there is an awful lot of "unwise wisdom" in this world so to speak.
he was wrong from the first sentence in this vid. 0 evidence bin picked the trade towers. The project for a new american century had the towers in crosshairs and described it being hit by a plane, right after silverstein the owner took out a plane attack specific insurance policy. Old white men within the american gov are the ones who picked the towers while bin was still a CIA operative. not a man on dialisis in a cave lmfao. bin made the stand down order too intercept from that cave too right lol.
@@670ramy back in the hippie days the muja where the cool super nice folks too visit. it was such a positive experience, it was known as the hippie road. yet the gov wants us too believe these same people want the west destroyed lmfao!!
He is embarrassed to say what he is saying. I don't think it was the whole truth. Just a gut feeling. I think he was parroting a script.
@@670ramy oh God, nothing worse than new age racists learning a bit of facts online and acting like they know the world. Let me guess, you love Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris too and think they shit gold.
Amazing guest! Should look into getting Thomas Barfield on, he's another excellent scholar of Afghanistan who speaks very well
Second this. Big fan of Barfield.
Well said, I knew all these things and get hate for telling people the truth.
We all want the same thing.. aka, not to suffer.
Truth... you won't like it.
ruclips.net/video/2-kNXwCBkb4/видео.html
@@beenschmokin zion
Friendly tip...
Make note of which pod cast number this clip came from
As a kid at the time, when I heard Bin Laden was killed, I instantly supported "my team" even though I am Canadian... strange to look at now and to realize its true about the translations.. and seeing the real world these days.
The real world..... 🤣
I remember when Bin was killed, celebrations on the street.
I wanted him dead like any other American, but there was no joy in celebration of it.
its all about money... canada is now communist dictatorship
@@natemorga Yes, and antelopes are now radical feminist astronomers. What is the world coming to? Also BIRDS AREN'T REAL
@@sanders555 and mother’s are birthing people lol. I think with social media and everybody having phones the same shit is still happening but they can’t just say shit and all of us believe. People are waking up to how our governments are.
I like this man.very honest,probably not popular views but says what slot of us'westerners'are thinking.some of us aren't as gullible as the press try to make us out.thnkyou sir!
I would love to see him debate, live, someone who actually thinks the other thing, namely, that what those guys are doing is very much grounded in the religious texts. What he is feeding us is propaganda, a consoling myth, that a bunch of doctores and engineers re-wrote the Quran. Think about it, if that is the case then it is only a few muppets of the Westboro Baptist church of Islam who are the problem, and we are fine. Trouble is if he is wrong we are being cavalier about a very serious problem.
why did you type this deliberately strange ?
Lol you say that like he's some random guy with a conspiracy podcast. He's a Stanford professor of history...
yes and some is not the majority unfortunately. So we needs it to be more than some… or at least some more! more more!
@@sarahscheurer2618 because it is an internet social media comment thread and that is your personal opinion of how it was typed. Maybe ‘twasn’t strange in the slightest to him as he bethought whilst typing it.😅
You people know that Osama and George W played together as kids... they were at the same parties at the same time🤦♂️
💯💯💯 can’t believe most people don’t even check to see what the truth is, the bush n bin laden families was fr friends like real chillin at they house type friends, we literally gave em weapons back in the 80s to fight the Russians but then 10/20yrs later switched up acting like we didn’t know shit smh
I do not believe you.
The camera shifting to lex while this guy is talking made me laugh out loud
Yee
Alright
YES 😅
Pro Tip: I found it immensely helpful to set the playback speed to .75.
Amazing insights! Best podcast by a wide margin.
I had to turn on the captions and even they couldn't keep up with this guy.
Robert Crews has a unique speech cadence.
I know a guy who has aspergers and its similar - difficult to listen to. I actually couldn't liest to him.
@@royfr8136 excellent point yes, I thought his diction was quite handy camping when it was trying to convey his intelligence.
@@Jinka1950 No way, his speech is one long sentence lol.
His talking style makes it tough to follow. But good info for sure.
It blows my mind how intelligent thoughtful people have had so long to research everything about that day and still haven't allowed themselves to even consider that bin laden might not have been behind the attacks.
Ryan Dawson knows what's up. He's basically been scrubbed from RUclips though.
The research shows that Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks. We have lots of conversations with him and others speaking about the plan to attack. He financed the whole thing. No need to speculate and make up conspiracy theories on who did the attack. FBI and CIA new it was happening but failed to communicate with each other. We know for fact who did it. Just read the evidence that Bin Ladin himself provides.
It’s been considered… you’re just a clown
It blows my mind how intelligent thoughtful people have had so long to research everything about that day and still haven't allowed themselves to even consider that the moon is made out of cheese.
Has Bin Laden ever said that he was never behind the 9/11 attacks?. I mean if you weren't...my first reaction would be to deny allegations. Which we have never seen from Bin Laden
I wish Lex would release videos of him in pajamas with a night cap reading stories to put people to bed😂 he has such a relaxing voice!
🤣
@@Gittana-ip2ms me? Absolutely. Don’t tell anyone though😏😇
The “truth” behind Bin Laden from a guy who admittedly doesn’t know much about Bin Laden. This is stupid.
Or one who is part of the disinformation system rather
exactly. American history made to be whatever is required
It's obvious he has no idea what Bin Laden really was.
A declaration of limited knowledge is an admirable thing. Remember he doesn't title these videos. Lex does
@@MK-we9sw he does talk a lot of falsehood regardless
The real reason why our foreign policy is so so bad from China to South Asia to the Middle East is because we have people who aren’t from there explaining the history and the people in this story format where everything fits. By in large there are so many factual inaccuracies. If you want to hear about Afghanistan why not talk to someone FROM Afghanistan?
you really think we dont have experts and historical scholars at our disposal? our foreign policy is what it is because the CFR has more goals than the united states best interests.
@@rc8770 you inadvertently said a mouthful there bruh. Not that the average person will put a whole lot of thought into the origins of the CFR and globalism....while looking through history in a forensic way. But yea
Just wanted to acknowledge that
I heard Ashraf Ghani is slowly making his way over. Give him some time I bet he will be on the talk shows soon once the money runs out. 😂
Can a dr not treat you for cancer unless he himself has had cancer? What you’re saying is somehow Afghan people are more capable of learning the history of Afghanistan than others when outsiders can literally go to college in Afghanistan
@@chadphelps5809 I think this is the big disconnect. Being a first generation immigrant - the answer to your question is YES. There are so many things that historians cannot understand that are part of the fabric of BEING there growing up with the religion and traditions and understanding thus also understanding the context. This guy Lex is interviewing seems like a nice well read guy - but does he know what it was like growing up in Afghanistan or prevailing sentiments that are common place? I once talked to two phds who who consulted on our foreign policy and their whole concentration was in South Asia. They somehow did not understand what a HUGE DEAL for example rolling blackouts (for power) were in the subcontinent. You know why? Because they didn’t live there! That one thing colors so much of what people want it’s manipulated by politicians. That’s just one small thing but more importantly they consult for our foreign affairs. And when I see experts on other regions called in - that’s cool and sweet they are brought in - but they will never have the base understanding that a well read local would have. It’s just not the same. I could go on and on with examples. So no - someone studying about a region unless perhaps they live there for 5 to 10 years and speak the language fluently and somehow participate in the religion/family traditions (which is a way bigger influence on most of the rest of the world) will not have the understanding on par with someone who is from there
Really interesting discussion. When he was talking about the reasons Bin Laden’s work not being translated, I remembered when the Australian news reported on his first one or two post 9/11 speeches but soon after decided it was not appropriate media content. Maybe it’s because he had some good points..
Yeah, famous quote from b!n laden America say we hate it for its freedom if this was the case why we didn't attack Sweden
@@TheMacTownPoke there is cnn Interview
@@TheMacTownPoke It is banned for obvious reasons.
There is a lot in what he says that goes both ways. In his interviews he claimed that the average american citizen was implicit in killing innocents. He spoke quite a bit about anti semitism too. However, he did bring up insightful points about the US crossing the line even speaking on how "at the same time he is disgusted by american militarism he shakes the hand as it allowed millions of middle eastern to be free from communism" or something to that extent. He wasn't what he was made out to be for sure. However if he did have a hand in 911, theres not much redeemable in his works imo.
Bin Laden was a religious nut. Muslim Brotherhood/Wahhabi. Imagine thinking a few good points was the reason he was censored? This is the problem with westerners is they assume a lot. Its this stupidity that leads to people like Kevin Rudd being voted in as PM.
Motivation to do good should originate from within and not driven by external competitors. This is where most societies fail.
Bin Laden always said he never did 9/11.
And he died shortly after 9/11. All the videos they have of him talking are obvious psy ops.
Sad to see a CIA Apologist viewpoint put forward as "truth"... 0 mention of Bandar Bush or the relationship of the Bush family and Bin Laden family...
😂😂 found one
The plane that crashed in PA just disappeared like in a David Copperfield show. If such an obvious question has no answer, searching out the finer details seems immediately exhausting.
Yeah exhausting I know exactly what you mean actually.
It was a huge cover up.
@@ozoneswiftak like a plastic tarp hologram cloaking shield invincibility engine
@@mrcutkut I don't know exactly what happened on 9/11 but I do know there are WAY too many things that just don't add up. A quote from the local coroner in Shanksville PA, "I stopped being coroner that day as soon as we arrived found no bodies at the crash site" Or, something along those lines. Since when has a plane crash ever put a huge hole in the ground? I don't pretend to have all, or even part of the answers. I just know something really stinks about the whole thing.
Flat Earthers....
Everyone is full of truth.
Get Michael Scheuer on the show. He actually knows what he's talking about when it comes to Bin Laden.
Thank you exactly. But most Zionists do not want the truth publicized because then everyone will know it is them who are responsible. Not sure what this host thinks but i doubt he would like that very controversial truth spoken about on his podcast.
No kidding. This guy is ignorant.
Since Bin Laden was an engineer, he would be aware that the Twin Towers were designed to withstand an aeroplane strike, and would not turn them into dust.
I recently spent 5 hours watching 'The New Pearl Harbor,' so ......
They withstood the airplane strike. The fires brought them down.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD No terrorist in planes brought the towers STRAIGHT DOWN for that's impossible for u have to collapse the whole foundation at one time first and if a plane hit one where the fake picture shows then for sure it would do lots of damage but it doesn't collapse the whole foundation at one time first and the damage would be different. All three building's controlled demolition and that was proved without evidence only by what and how it happened. Only one thing could bring down those buildings like that
Not mentioned Isreal once in many words is like gymnastics
He did say Palestine had a bad deal.
I rewind it like three times before I saw this. Thanks
in 2001 was slandered, accused of terrorism,
never denied animosity but denied any involvement in what he accused to and demanded any evidence,
despite lack of which Afghanistan was invaded,
was killed in his home in the eyes of wife and children without any evidence of any crime.
Occasionally helicopter with elite group of his murderers on board crashed, no one survived.
During 20 years of occupation of Afghanistan not even 1 evidence of his involvement was demonstrated, yet alone proved.
Those who supported false accusation in terrorism - now themselves being accused and they see how homeland destroying who someone else's homeland wanted destruction
Exactly. And in summary, we can say with complete confidence, that 9/11 was an inside job.
And yet most don't get it.
@@alwagner9722 so called 'domestic terrorists' should understand mechanism by which Babylon dehumanize it's enemies, including 'international' ones
I found this talk unsatisfactory, so hopefully you'll find this interesting. Bin Laden was always a zealot, but he was more or less just a financier and benefactor of the Islamic front. Much of his momentum came from the support of a small group of Egyptians who were extremely pissed off at Israel and the Egyptian government for their treatment of Muslims. Since Bin Laden shared similar ideals with the Egyptians (particularly Sayyid Qutb's theory of Islamic puritanism a unified Islamic caliphate) they had significant common ground. This common ground would become 'the base' aka Al Qaeda, and it would first seek to resist Russian influence in Afghanistan. Anyway, during the 80's a rag-tag group of jihadists (mostly pissed Egyptians and Saudi students) led by Bin Laden would eventually learn to become a highly effective group of killers (Once you get involved in that sort of thing, you can't get out of it) They began with a protectionist policy which morphed into a sort of expansionist one which we came to understand as international terrorism. The Bin Laden family was close to the house of Saud because his family business, a construction company, would build much of the infrastructure in and around the mecca (and elsewhere) so the events around the mecca that took place in the 70's and 80's would impress young Bin Laden greatly. But essentially Bin Laden always felt that the moderate Arabs, and the Saudi Kingdom, were selling out to Americans. So the Saudis would disown Bin Laden for using his parents money for terror stuff, the Sudanese would grow sick of him, basically, no one wanted this guy in their country so he opted to live in the Kush mountain caves in Afghanistan. Meanwhile the Egyptian propaganda and recruitment organs of Al Qaeda simply kept the ball rolling. What is frequently understated is that him and his group see Israel and the US as essentially the same thing. I've done a bit of reading on this topic AMA
I knew this in class 9th. This is clearly the truth, and books are available. In short: it's a messed up situation, and the US's policies don't help.
US government arms terrorist organizations knowing full well it will backfire on them, so they can advance their nation interests in resource acquisition.
Osama's father made hundreds of millions of dollars building the infrastructure of Saudi Arabia in its early days of modernization. Osama had several siblings, most of who enjoyed the luxuries of the West. Osama wasn't particularly "radicalized" as a young person, but did donate a lot of many to the Mujahideen in their fight against the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. There is little evidence to support that Osama worked for the CIA although some claim their paths did cross in Afghanistan. Dozens of groups and nations (Including Saudi Arabia) funneled hundreds of billions in aid to the Mujahideen. Osama was considered a friend to the Saudis at this time and held no particular grievance against the West. Fast forward to 1989 and the Soviets leave Afghanistan. In 1990, Saddam invaded Kuwait and Osama approaches the Saudi's offering several thousands of Mujahideen that fought the Soviets to attack Iraq. He wanted to keep the conflict as an Arab problem. The Saudis tell Osama that the U.S will take care of Hussein and Saudi Arabia will host hundreds of thousands of American and other Western Nation troops on the Arabian Peninsula. This enrages Osama and sets the pieces in motion leading to 9/11.
Oswald did NOT shoot Kennedy. Justice for Gabby!
I believe in you Lex!! We can build a kinder more thoughtful world!
That's so unpatriotic to say, that's how the enemy wants you to think!!!
honestly when he says how we humans react when not listened to.. I can't help agreeing. Sometimes enough becomes enough and you swing for it out of desperation. Getting to that point of desperation where we become susceptible to violence, is not a great place to be and it is most certainly upon our selves to not get to that point.
BUT, that takes keen knowledge of one self and the human nature, some things we are no longer taught nor do we understand it as a whole. As one who try to know and undderstand, it makes me sad we allow people to get to that point of desperation. And I wont let it past some people might actually use that desperation to get what they want. In a natural world we humans be ruled by unnatural things (MONEY). Im not really into religion, maybe as a whole, the common things in all religions, but if there ever was a false unnatural god, it has to be money.
Agreed
Nope
@@seasonedbeefs Nope what? :D I get the need to just throw down a NO! once in a while, but I still wonder what you saying nope to.
Hellll no.
@@udontknowdave2155 No I agree Yes
The way he said our oil 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
great topic, dude being interviewed needs to learn to even out his cadence. All over the place, tbh, it's hard to listen to.
The final sentence sums it up!
Lex Friedman should interview either Robert Spencer or David Wood
As a non native speaker, this man's speech is surprisingly hard to understand
His cadence of speech is hard to follow
Kinda like Elon musk but at least Elon is easier to understand.
So don't
@@hashhandzourdoororganic6387 very easy to understand Elon when he’s accusing humanitarian heroes of being “pedo guy”.
Right, I want to speed it up and slow it down. Is there a cadence leveling plugin?
@@DaveJenkinsCivilianIt's like he's speaking in tongues 😂
Excellent, open minded discussion. Too bad this isn't the intellect in American universities.
@LCARS DATA NODE they live in an American university?
@LCARS DATA NODE Obviously they both are in the USA. My comment has nothing to do with the USA per se, it does however have everything to do with the universities in the USA as I stated in the original comment.
@@ZachBrimhall Crews is a Stanford History Prof, and Fridman is an MIT research fellow. Almost everyone on this program is some kind of university scholar, most of them American.
@@ghostexits podcasts are one thing, lecture halls and classrooms are another. You do not have the freedom to openly discuss these things in a university setting. Open academic discussion is not an option on campus.
@@ZachBrimhall I don’t know where you get that idea from. You think Crews is “in trouble” for this discussion? Nothing he’s saying here is even controversial.
I'm very disappointed we didn't get a detailed explanation of how you go from American-backed local Afghan governments to a radical anti-American movement in two years. That should be politically impossible without a major tertiary factor.
My theory is he always hated America but accepted their support when fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.
I find it amazing that people who don’t even speak Arabic and have never lived in the Middle East, know so much…
711 was a part time job.
lol !!!
Really interesting. Thank you
There have been two wars going on in the Middle East. The (proxy) wars for oil/money and political power between the industrial countries, and the Jihad wars between religious factions, chiefly between Islamic sects. You could say (over-simplify) West vs USSR and Shia vs Sunni.
The fighters and victims have been chiefly the indigenous people.
Bin laden was an amalgamation of both conflicts in a unique way which led him to make some huge miscalculations and mistakes and were a catastrophe for Muslim people.
So many pics of Pablo and Escobar dead. Yet with bin laden we got one blurry pic. This dude was so wanted and they take one pic. Fishy fishy
Didn’t they supposedly just kick his body off a boat? I’ve always called BS on the story of him being dead. The BinLadin story line was drying up and people were tired of it so they made a deal to let him off the hook and made up a new devil….
I think it's the first time I've heard this perspective shared on an American platform, (may be credit goes to the open discussions in podcasts these days) which I knew and understood in like 2008 when I was 9 years old. I understood why they were doing it but never could agree on the conceptual level to the way they sought out. One thing in the case of 9/11 is particularly interesting, if Alqaeda or any other such group attacks a place or is involved in suicide bombing etc. they take responsibility for it, they literally announce they have done it, but Bin Laden never announced or acknowledged 9/11's responsibility. He has always denied. This and some other factors point towards CIA itself having organized this attack.
The same media declares a war and declares when Isis or AL Q have been defeated. Amazing. To believe this krap that they got him killed n dumped him off a boat... and his leagues of followers don't take revenge amazing 😅
What about the video he released just before Sept 11, 2004? Or the video of the secret meeting with other Al-Qaeda leaders found in the first months of the Afghan war? He admits his roll in 9/11 then.
When he spoke of young Islamic men who see their actions as virtuous, I couldnt help thinking of the Path of the Hero. Jung and petersons teachings.
Are they, in some way, on a legitimate and virtuous journey against chaos as their systems see's fit? Or is the journey corrupted in some way?
I'd love to explore this...but my brain is fairly smooth.
It's straightforward bath brother. Asking questions is the first step. Go talk to some people that know what they are talking about. Good luck, all the best.
It’s those warm water ports they’ve always wanted
Put links to your guests in the description
For those whos are not native English speakers, and have issues understanding him, like me, HINT: turn on CC! it helps a lot...
For what it’s worth, I’m a native English speaker and k can barely understand him.
He has a speech impediment where he is u able to fully enunciate words and covers it up by trying to speak fast.
"Jealous of our freedoms, I can't believe you bought that excuse" - Immortal Technique.
wait... grown adults still think we go to war for benevolent reasons? money makes the world go round.
If you slow this down to .75x he sounds normal. He needs to slow his life down by 25%
????? He is talking normal at normal speed…he is just intelligent and knows what he is talking about like the back of his hand
I find all the comments about his way of speaking very strange. He sounds absolutely fine to me.
He actually explained things in depth rather than the typical American
Comments don't get much more asinine than this shining example from the typical preprogrammed robot.
@@brymanley9133 either that or he travelled the world and found that its rather hard to find a country where people are more superficial or poorly educated related the wealth of the respective nation. indeed, these are generalizations (superficial you may say in a way) but it is what it is
@@brymanley9133 are you a typical American? Which category do you fall under? Still waiting to see if your president is going to apologise for the murder of all the civilians.
Bin Laden was no mastermind of anything.
I'm a native English speaker and I struggle to understand this man at times.
Wow Lex you had a guest on who gave a proper perspective between extremists and scholars... I love you lex, you do great work and have a Tolstoyin method to bringing out perspectives ... bring on Muslim scholars... Mullah Omar was the Che Guevara of the east ...
His nephew was attending College du Leman in Switzerland back in 2010. I know this because he was supposed to take DJ lessons after school with a bunch of other kids, but didn't show up. I was there for translation as the DJ teacher only spoke French. There was another kid there, about 12 years old who said he knew him and that he probably signed up without notifying his father. These kids weren't allowed to do anything, the Iranian lad who told me this was himself terrified of his own father. Still, a shame I didn't meet him as I had the greatest stage name for the guy DJ Hadd.
BTW, I asked this 12 year old who was behind September 11th and he told me the C.I.A. and again, he was 12.
Such a creative name tho 🫡😎😅
WOW so what?
why are you talkin to 12 year olds while being in college? tsk tsk
College is French for school...actually ecole is the most common word, but the international schools are called Colleges...I was a teacher's assistant.
"they hate us for our freedom" how arrogant you have to be to believe this
Does anyone else think you have to work hard just to follow this guys conversation and understand his general replys. May be all the random pauses mid sentence. idk
This guy just made the list 🤣
What list
@@eddi4life13 chris jerichos list
I was studying today and came across a quote from Bin Laden, he talked about hate for America and others who differed from his views. It leads me to believe that a lot of what he did may have came from a place of ignorance as ignorant I believe is purely fear and misunderstanding. I wish he could’ve learned to hold love in his heart.
Same could be said of GW Bush and other American Presidents. As Lexs guest said he was directly at fault for 500k Iraqi children’s deaths, during the second Iraq war.
@@saguirre760 very hyperbolic
.75 speed sounds real good.
Strange how an educated structural engineer ended up in a CAVE .
Woulda been even stranger if he ended up in a skyscraper……🤣
If I want to learn the real history of Afghanistan and bin laden il ask an American.. hmm just be careful lex
Would love to watch this video again when the audio and video is synced up
I kept having to keep checking my playback speed on RUclips. I was convinced that this man was clearly not speaking at this speed.
Get Ryan Dawson on here, Lex!🤙
Who's that is he ME speaslist?
@@Uchihaayoub Ryan Dawson is banned from most social media.
He has a channel on RUclips but it's not in his name.
He knows so much about the middle east and the whole Epstein show.
@@Kisyfurr what's the channel called?
@@skipper6528 I can't remember. He goes live every now and then.
Its a girls name
@@Kisyfurr very helpful. I will just search girl names. Thank you.
No plane hit the Pentagon. I will go to my grave arguing that the evidence for a plane impact is hilariously absent
The Bin Ladin family was closely allied with the U.S. Dracula Bush family, vacationed in the summer with them at their Texas Ranch, and as joint owners of a profitable business enterprise. The board of directors of that enterprise was having a special board meeting when 911 began.
No discussion of the Grand Mosque seizure? Ibtresting discussion
Seems like he's lien an making random stuff up or he's crap at telling stories.... All choppy
As a U.S. military member I had to deploy to Saudi, Turkey, Kuwait, Qatar many times in the 80's/90/s/00's. From my perspective.
1. My first deployment to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia in the summer of 1988. In July a U.S. Navy ship shot down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 100's of innocent passengers. In my opinion, this was the beginning of all the trouble.
2. My 2nd deployment to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia was later on in Nov-Dec 1988. Lo and behold an American airliner was bombed and crashed in Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 100's of innocent passengers.
3. in the summer of 1990, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in an attempt to capture almost all of the world's oil. This was the trap, the allies liberated Kuwait but kept too many troops in middle east, especially too many troops in Saudi Arabia.
My conclusion is that the U.S. got in too deep into the middle east. The jihadist are always looking to find fault with the west. If the U.S. would have taken out Saddam this would have prevented us from enforcing the Southern "No Fly" zone and we could have left a much smaller force in the region. This may have prevented 9/11. Still, no matter what reason Bin Laden had he was wrong and it resulted in even more death and destruction than what had already occurred. Both Saddam and Bin Laden were selfish, arrogant killers that deserved what came to them. The U.S. made mistakes along the way, extremely naive the intentions were mostly noble. These jihadists are brainwashed that the U.S. is evil because of it's relationship with Israel, which is simply crazy thinking on their part.
That is simply not the case. Jihadist do not hate US solely because of their relationship with Israel.
You must understand the history of the middle East, the major problems started with British and French invasion/colonialism and the divide and conquer tactics splitting Turks and Arabs from being united to torn apart, this is where the hate started and ideas degenerated from Islamic unity to nationalism and pan-Arabism. Literally all the dictators and regimes of today are descendents of whoever was a traitor and would rather support colonial powers than their own people's interest. This is why no Muslim nations helps each other anymore it's all disgusting egoistic interests that's prioritised as a result of nationalism.
The even larger problems started when the ottoman empire was abolished as a result of ww1 ending, this is where the major problems in Muslim countries started.
US interference is the new British and French occupation, or the continuation of it. Western countries are too afraid of a strong Islamic world like we have been for thousand of years, so you will rather create hell on earth there than let the people be.
This is why all Islamists want's an Islamic state like we saw in the Islamic golden era just in modern times now, whether they are jihadist or non-violent Islamist this is the goal, real representation of the beliefs and values of the muslim population, real representation of the people's interests, not corrupt kings and disgusting puppet rulers with rotten brains and hearts just to keep the status quo.
And you know it's not only Islamists that hate US interference it's the common people in Muslim nations, because they get to live with the consequences of western nations actions and foreign policy and it's a continuation of our history the last 200-300 years.
Ps. US intentions were never noble always sinister, divisive and destructive.
@@salahudeen8567 Yes, you're right there's a long history and the Muslim world is very insular. I did notice the common Muslim people have to put up with a lot of shit, one that sticks in my mind is a land dispute outside of Riyadh..One of the King's distant relatives came in and did something like taking the guys house while saying I'm a member of the Royal family, go complain to the King". The U.S. was so naive in getting drawn in back in 1988 we had just a small troop force, when the Iran-Iraq war ended in early 1989 the U.S. flew their AWACS planes out of Riyadh back to Oklahoma so we had even fewer troops in S.A., almost zero. Then Saddam did what any Hitler type would do and continue to be a menace to his neighbors. Bush 1 was an idiot for not taking out Saddam, he did earn his reputation for being weak. What a disaster. I tell the Israeli's to move to Baja, California. They can build a new Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, there's mountains for a Masada they can even have a wailing wall..of course then they can be friends with everybody but nope, they insist on staying put, not going to end well.
You know the first attack on the world trade center was in 1993?
@@tinto278 Yes, it was because of the reasons I mentioned above. Almost every year in the 90's there were terrorist attacks, bombings, foiled plots, etc.
But 911 wasn't committed by bin laden. Common knowledge I thought. And saddam was paid by the cia at one point. America only went to war with him because he wasn't a puppet. Watch confessions of a economic hit man and see wat America actually does. And then before America was causing trouble over there it was us good old English. Same shit different day. I don't blame anyone for fighting back. America commits much worse than 911 on a daily basis. But that seems to be ok
Here is a good one, Bin Ladens family is the 2nd largest property developer in Saudi Arabia. Just look at Saudi property development post 9/11
the US played a pivotal role in the Mujahadeen's exhaustion of the Soviets and the resources and training of Bin Laden. It's safe to say that without the US's role of financing, arming and PR support, the so-called "terrorists" would be a very local issue between the ruled and the rulers.
Why doesn’t he talk about how they dumped a dummy into the ocean?
Lol. Good luck with that. Never gonna happen
Bin Laden was Afgan Joe Rogan.
Stop hitting the pause button!!!! 🤣🤪😂