I will try making money next to watch you guys I love your videos serious ones and non serious I feel like I'm close to your channel and videos kinda creepy💀
Not a fair measure. Most of the world's population lived under some form of capitalism from 1700s to 1930s. From the 1930-90s most lived under socialist politicians.
Not gonna lie at this point jubilee should just do actual debates and allow the guest to prepare and come with both statistics and anecdotes that way you get the numbers and reality side of whatever topic it is
Well plenty of their guests come on prepared. Two on the capitalism side are political pundits online, and so is at least one on the communism side. These videos usually 50% or more of them come in with the talking points ready to go.
Again, this series desperately needs: 1) Live fact checking 2) Better moderation 3) Better preparation from the participants (encourage them to come with stats and articles and numbers) So many of these discussions go off the rails bc people are saying things that either aren't true or aren't on prompt and it's so frustrating.
Often times it seems like they select people who are knowledgeable on their opinion, only on one side, just like in the Palestine one a few days ago. They should have had Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, who had lived experiences to speak. Not “my aunt” story. The amount of lies that went unchecked was gross.
They cast actors and influencers for these debates. Some they call in multiple times for different topics. They actually need to get knowledgeable experts to debate these topics.
Completely disagree. Just look at the fact checking sites we have now that have a clear bias. I think we should let the conversation stand for itself without the channel going “um actually, according to cherry-picked sources, this is incorrect”
I disagree, placing the burden of fact checking on jubilee is a dangerous thing. They’re supposed to only be the medium, if they suddenly begin shutting people down, the conversation would devolve. Secondly, certain so called “fact checkers” might have vested interest in individual subjects. In the end, the responsibility of fact checking always comes back to you.
Yes, someone who lived in the USSR and came to retirement age at the tail end of Perestroika, and or someone who had been a skilled professional in any of the Eastern Bloc nations and immigrated to the U.S. 1989-1992
Exacly become from my experience from parents and people from czechoslovakia and later what i learned is that corruption was a big part of society not only in surtain industries but everywhere. Becouse czechoslovakia was one of the economicly more prospering socialist countries. They wanted to abolish the wealthy rich and made the most people in the same economic weight class as. And that was exacly the perfect breading ground for corruption becouse working harder wouldnt made you more money or freedom but your connections help from family members or some tasty bribes were the only thing common people could get more than they had before
Molomo trying his hardest to play the nice guy but being extremely condescending and not taking into any consideration any of the points being mentioned is crazyyyy.
He definitely has a persecution complex. Super transparent when he tried to tell one of the capitalists that she was being "demeaning" when she was defining communism.
He's insufferable. "stop interrupting" as he interrupts everyone else. Then he totally agrees that government aid makes people lazy but he's supposed to be a Communist?
He acts so politically correct but I got such misogynistic vibes from him. The way he continually puts his hand over his mouth and smirks when Hannah starts to speak… so rude.
@@adualaispuro ....it's all important to take everything into consideration. If freedom of speech is stripped by the "government", you bet it is going to affect your life.
I feel like jubilee should have a mediator that makes sure no one gets interrupted and an after credits where everyone’s points are fact-checked. I can see these videos being educational in seeing other perspectives but I think Jubilee need to make sure misinformation isn’t being spread.
@@jonathanlee-cf1vf Making sure people are able to finish what they are saying & correcting any possible, or even perceived, mistakes after people have been able to say what they want is not an imposition on free speech. These days, I would be concerned about the accuracy of the "fact checking", but even if the fact checking was entirely misrepresenting the facts of the topic, it still wouldn't be an imposition on the participant's freedom to say what they wish as long as it allowed them to say what they wish &, I would argue, didn't deceptively edit that. Am I misunderstanding what you were describing in your comment?
Agree. Basically, Jubilee just lets these people come in and argue with each other. There’s always one loud mouthed person who talks over everyone else and interrupts. I would just like them to have a freaking mediator at this point so that everyone can get a chance to speak.
The problem with fact-checking is that for a lot of things in economics, there is a ton of mixed evidence. In an economy, there's a million and one variables, and those are very hard to control for. It would also put a lot of pressure on Jubilee, making them act as an arbiter of truth.
You know manipulative bad people always try to play the victim and use the empathy and naivety of people in their favor... always have to fear the wolf in the Little red ridinh hood.
As a Cuban who was born and raised in Cuba and lived there for 17 years. I invite these 3 individuals to go live over there if they love the system so much and enjoy of the perks of misery and a socialist dictatorship.
Something I always find ironic. The people pushing for communism and socialism in America are the people who have never truly experienced these systems in action. There is a reason why so many immigrants and refuges come here from communist and socialist countries, and very few people ever migrate to those places. Basic critical thinking skills are truly so rare nowadays and it's honestly scary
I would’ve loved if a moderator came in and gave explicit definitions of capitalism and communism because they are not universally agreed upon in general, and I’m sure even in this small sample size, most of them would not agree on a single definition.
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusViciFunny you say that considering how communists think cronyism and corporatism is capitalist. And the weird communist girl thinks North Korea isn’t communist. Plus Hannah said the definition multiple times are you deaf.
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVicii don't think that's fair. As a socialist, I've found it very frustrating to have capitalists define what socialism is. Like, the socialists should get to say what socialism is. Similarly, the capitalists should get to own their definition too. But yeah, she wasn't really arguing in favor of what i view capitalism as. She was arguing in favor of free trade and small government. She wasn't arguing for the mass accumulation of wealth, nor was she clearly arguing for capital to control the means of production.
@@reed6514 she's one of those "I read Wikipedia so now I have a political opinion" type clouded by decades of indoctrination. She needs to read Marx and Engels.
It’s really annoying when a conversation starts actually getting somewhere or someone is making their point and they eventually just cut to the next prompt. They’ve done it much more often recently and then started charging you to go watch their full version. I don’t want to pay for the full version if it’s still gonna be lackluster question topics, people consistently cutting each other off with no moderation and their arguments eventually getting cut off to get to the next topic. I would pay/support if it meant the quality would be better but it’s literally the same video with an extra topic.
If you can't afford $3 a month to distract yourself with pseudo-intellectual gratification, you should be Intellectually Present in your real life. Get your money up, not your funny up.
@@utahnash the amount of content creators making more than software designers is very slim. If we took a sample of equal parts content creators and software designers, most content creators wouldn't make more than the software designers.
@@taurianferguson A county’s economy affects everything. That’s why every type of economic system has its pros and cons. There is no one size fits all.
@@KeepItCute22 the problem with all governments and economic systems are that they involve people. Kinda agree with that girl that robots need to take over.
I think this is the first time jubilee has brought on real leftists and not neoliberal democrafts and while it was definitely refreshing, the conversation seemed to go in too many directions to be cohesive. I think middleground needs a much more active moderator to keep everyone on track. No one actually even discussed the first prompt about power, it went straight into a general argument of capitalism vs communism in general.
What distinguished these yuppie cosplaying "real" leftists from "neoliberal" Democrats? Not saying the Capitalist side had much to offer substantively, either. They all struck me as varying shades of educated fools spouting theory and preset rhetoric at each other, no real world solutions.
my fiance was born in cuba. I cannot imagine how long this comment would be if i tried to list every single grievance her (large) family has and their struggles with living under the cuban government. We recently met one of her distant cousins who immigrated to the US a few months ago, and he told us that he broke down in tears stepping into a supermarket for the first time. He told us how in cuba you would have to wait in a line to get a single chicken breast and a loaf of bread for the week.
I have a short but similar story My dad was born in China and when he moved to the U.S during like 80s or 70s he told me when he went to the market for the first time he thought the dog food and cat food had actual dog and cat meat in them
Yeah would love it. Maybe if we got doctors from the worst states for healthcare vs doctors from the best states, we can see, as patients, why people like me have menhorragia for 35-40 days and no one cares.
I really wish the moderators kept them on track for each question. It’s so frustrating watching everyone interrupt/talk over each other. I would love to see people who are able to have a debate without getting so worked up they don’t allow the other side to talk.
It’s so annoying. It doesn’t feel like a debate. It feels like they just sit people down to argue with each other and there’s always one loud mouthed person who cuts other people off constantly and talks more than anyone else.
@@pinkmama6077 I can see your point in diving deeper on a topic, but a huge annoyance (for me) is when everyone is talking over one another and you can’t hear any of the points, or some people are unheard. Also, a lot of these people aren’t experts and when some state “facts” they refuse to back it up (in some videos) which is also interesting.
And that came from Bunny, the female streamer from China, FEMALE... from China... saying the one child policy was empowering for woman. I can only assume all she hears in her head is Looney Tunes and "ohh SHINY"
why not, in the real world, developed capitalism is combined with imperialism, without imperialism is what happened in the third-world capitalist country like Congo
And lets not forget to mention how truly smug he is, passive aggressive comments, CLEARLY a full time victim, which is just a complete embarrassment to everything hie family went through to GET HERE. Clearly was never taught HOW to think, only taught WHAT to think.
@@mattlol163here's my thing, you can't discount another person's experience. I would always listen to your experience so listen to his. Probably crazy different from yours as mine is to you. But you can't just say that maybe he hasn't become successful and bought a nice shirt but still realize our system is fucked. I just want it known some things can suck while also saying other things suck
An asian uwu girl streamer, a white teenage-wannabe with xs shirt and an apologist with victim complex... I meann, what can you get out of these guys? 💅🏿
This is not a debate about communism verses Capitalism. If people are better off in America then why would they leave. The fact is the Chinese as a nation are better off under communism than under Chang Ki Shek and that is all that matters.
the brightest Chinese people are no longer moving to America. compare to 30 years ago. when everyone is trying to get out of China. the ones that does move to America are the ones that are uncompetitive in China. of course they don't want to go back, there is a reason they moved in the first place. America is no longer getting the best talented people around the world, instead it has an open boarder for criminals to freely get into.
@@ERG173Exactly, that's what I say about Vietnam, Vietnam is way better under socialism with Ho Chi Minh,Le Duan and Trong than any South Vietnamese president like ever, they were all pretty terrible lol.
@@dobridjordje ..... This capitalism verses communism/socialism is nonsense. America will be a communist country one day if the elites persist in taking all the money. Money motivates, lack of it destroys motivation.
My thoughts exactly, people like him are so annoying I don't believe they have genuine interest in anything except themselves and how they come across.
Loved when he was by himself on the "Only the rich benefit" prompt and he had NOTHING to say, then proceeded to try to realign himself with the other two beside him when they didn't even agree with him 🤣 People like him just want to belong somewhere.
Podcasts are what's in and i don't understand why yall cut these videos down to a fraction of what is recorded. You can make a part 2 and 3 idc as long as we get more discussion. The way yall have it now is more like a taste testing of productive conversations. And if it isn't productive then you need to find better guests by hiring a better person to screen.
She did not just say “if we could pull it off like Psycho Pass, that would be great.” Isn’t the whole point of the show that it’s a sci-if dystopia that’s gone too far?
It is insane how two people can watch the same show and get completely opposite interpretations. Psycho pass is probably my favorite anime because of its profound anti authoritarian message.
@@justinthenoobnah it's just lack of media literacy. Homeboy can't understand Thor love and thunder was not pro alien just cause it took place on alien worlds.
The moment they mentioned Cuba as having the number 1-2 spot in health care, I lost it. Had to even pause the video. I’ve lived in Cuba, and know people from there still. Cuba has one of the WORST health care systems. Despite it being “free”, they lack many crucial and common medications and medical equipment to even take care of their people.
As a Cuban person who grew up in Cuba and whose immediate family is still on the island. I hate hearing American communists speak on Cuba. I wish Cubans had the freedom to even talk and critique their government like these people can. They don’t even realize how entitled they are.
As if communist groups like the black panthers haven’t been literally murdered and imprisoned by the American government. Even MLK who was a socialist was blackmailed and threatened by the FBI
The fact that Molombo would make a wild statement like “slavery is capitalism” and then not let Hannah respond because he wanted to move on because the topic is “too spicy” is hilarious…..
I was trying to keep the conversation lighthearted by saying the topic was too spicy, but in actual fact I simply refused to discuss slavery w/ white capitalists
As someone who's been watching this channel for a while: does Jubilee read their comments? I see so many comments about wanting more qualified people, more moderation, or real statistics, but every video seems the same. I wish the debates had more concrete structure:/ Would be so great to see more videos like the flat earther one where actual academics come on the show to talk, or at least have more fact checks on the screen when someone talks about a stat/fact
Mmm I don’t know. How many people making these comments actually watch debates. Middle ground is not a debate. It’s people’s opinions. It’s a different thing. If you want to see a debate you can find many online
Omg. Comparing capitalism and comunism and using america and china to do it is like comparing water and land animals and using crocodile and frogs to do it😂
Meaning? That analogy is hard to grasp. Is it that they both live in water? Is it that one side has an advantage over the other? China is a single party state, with officials wielding far too much power and citizens having barely any rights, but truthfully, is only Communist in name; it’s not Communist at all. It was once under Mao but his successors realized how worthless the actual policies of Communism were. Now it’s basically a dictator-run Han people ethnic state.
@@drakeisaskinwalker5104 what you mean? China is aggressively capitalistic in a lotta ways. You're gonna have to look it up for yourself - I'm not an economist. I just hear that many aspects of it are capitalist.
Pretty sure Bunny bashes American apologists while simultaneously being a Chinese apologist. The irony of her moving to America from China, continuing to live here while exploiting US capitalism in her adult age, and then saying women don't want to live here in comparison to places like China is wild.
People move from China to the US to avoid fierce competition in Chinese society. Just because the US is the land of opportunity doesn't mean it's safe.
@@Bewefau Sure, however she's not only chosen to stay in her adult age, but to also utilize America's capitalistic system and become a very successful twitch streamer. Make that make sense.
The asian basically summed up communism when she said "if everyone was this way communism would work." But that's not how human nature works, she's talking about a utopia where everything is the fantasy of fluffy clouds and butterflies.
What’s wrong with the capitalists? 😅 On the other hand, those loonies represent communists pretty well. Greetings from Eastern Germany (so to all you American lefties, let me tell you, be careful with what you are wishing for)
While I generally enjoyed this debate. One thing that frustrated me like crazy was Molombo acting like a de-facto moderator in this debate where he was picking and choosing what people should answer so that he could control the narrative. It prevented the debate from being as free-flowing as it should be.
It’s interesting you mention controlling the narrative.. I wonder what capitalists do… There was also most definitely a moderator, they just didn’t have to moderate because the group did that for them.
You’ll notice in other Jubilee videos the moderator only comes in when no one can be heard or get a word out because everyone is talking at the same time. I think this group did a great job at giving everyone time to speak, especially because Molombo set the tone for that.
@@emouraaaawhy does it matter whom controls the tone? It’s a debate not a conversation. Spoken like a true communist. Preach freedom then turn around and take it away. He’s wasn’t a moderator and was the least informed about most if not all subjects. So if it was up to someone to set a tone it shouldn’t have been him. He took away more then he contributed to the debate
@@518trey1lol yea he was the most uninformed not the de hard capitalist Hanna that didn't know what "market equilibrium", literally week 4 of econ 101, was.
what was with that dude shutting down other people from talking by using their names? It felt weird and kind of rude. Also saying to everyone"You look like the nicest person in the world, so just let me speak" He's trying to trick them into sounding caring, but he just is actually being selfish by not letting others talk and respond
I have loved middle ground for years now, and this has been one of the most unsuccessful videos in the series yet. I am 36:00 minutes in and there has been zero moderation, zero compromise, and they cut to the next prompt before anyone has made and clarified their point. Don’t you WANT us to see people coming together; having respectful and thoughtful conversations; so we can learn more about people from both sides and understand where they’re coming from? It will be a really sad day when jubilee succumbs to the pressure of creating clickbait instead of creating content that can truly change the world for the better…
they did agree on a few things though. corporate welfare for the mega rich is an issue (although I doubt the capitalist woman agrees to it being a problem even if she says it here).
@@phanders6236 Why do you people do that? It's like you are so afraid to agree with what a capitalist says so you have to makeup their beliefs in order to disagree on the very thing you agree on. Even when the capitalists say that they don't really like the fbi, Molombo comes in and says "Yeah you do actually like the fbi, it is capitlist fbi so you must like it" instead of simply agreeing that it is a problem
I am so happy molubo explained what’s happening in congo , people are been slaughtered and sent out of their homes and getting their mineral resources stolen. But somehow it’s not been talked about and it’s literally under a capitalist economical system
@@MySwagg93 true but I’m only stating the dangers of extreme capitalism , people in power abuse it , we both know there isn’t a perfect economic system but i agree with you it is just bad government, well said
@@naomioladipo8216 definitely understand where you’re coming from, and extremes can happen in any economic system. We have plenty of examples of extreme communism/socialism as well. We as society just have to start making better choices for leaders!
@@MySwagg93 When it starts to become a pattern, then it’s most likely the system. It’s no coincidence that the capitalist king that is the USA is also the first world country with the worst living conditions.
@@baguette_connoisseur how does one consent at birth..... prove my signature on where I consented!?...funny how you can't 😉 either you are born on plantations for slave masters or taxation is theft...pick one
@@baguette_connoisseur when does the public consent 🤔....when they are born... either you are born on plantations for slave masters or taxation is theft, period.
Molombo was BEYOND patronizing to the women. Especially with Hannah, he tried refuting her point by saying that she looks younger than everyone in the discussion, then tried to say she couldn't handle topics, etc. "I'm like the nicest person in the world" says every toxic person EVER.
The dude with the head scarf was honestly so unbelievably annoying. He really ruined this conversation by acting like the main character and having such a crappy way of interacting with people. At one point he grabbed the guy next to him and aggressively put his arm around him so he could cut him off and interrupt him. Thats fine to do with your friends. Its not fine to do to a complete stranger you're having a political conversation with
I wish they had brought in communists who actually knew what capitalism and communism were, Molombo's definition for capitalism was just ridiculous and Bunny was making random points that barely connected to the prompts . Eddie was the only one who actually had a clue what he was talking about.
A lot of people who get upset about Capitalism are younger and haven’t established themselves financially yet. But when they grow older and start having to pay more taxes there is a shift. Especially when they wake up and realize that politicians are spending their money foolishly, and not holding corporations to account because they are allowed to accept money from these entities to get voted into power. Then they turn around and implement more taxation in the form of vehicle registration hikes, gas prices, sales tax, and home value reassessments etc. that rob both the rich and the poor, sometimes equally. Then they moan about businesses price gouging but do little to change it rather than running on change (to make you feel like they realize the problem) then do little to nothing to change it. Sad.
As a communist refugee I would have loved to be a part of the debate. It’s a complex issue and I find most of the west doesn’t know much of what actually occurred in the ussr
Do you seriously think the United States would have any patience for separatists inside of their own borders? We both know the answer to that question.
The fact they all agreed they don't like government at the end did make me chuckle. It would seem no matter where you look, humans dislike large authority.
@@borecsalat6101 Communism is a dictatorship. It's a political ideology that gives total power and control to governement under the guise that the people own everything. It's a guise because you can't own something that you don't control.
@@borecsalat6101Capitalism is the one actually about large authority. Authority is still authority even if it’s a private corp doing all the police state and enslaving instead of a government lol
I appreciate the fact that Cam brought a notepad in with him. I’d do the same! It’s always great to have relevant information at your fingertips, especially during a debate.
I've known 4 people who used various teaching abroad programs that lived in china. Not a single one regretted coming back to the west. None view china as a better system.
She seriously don't know the difference between an economic system and a governing system. She is saying north Korea can't be communist because it's a dictatorship and said it with a straight face. This is the problem with the USA no one is educated on civics and history and basic economics anymore but everyone thinks they are experts cause they read an article once or there favorite influencer said so...this is a perfect example of why the USA is falling apart and behind.
People don’t realise that a dictatorship is an extreme version of a system that makes it impossible for the country to change its ways. There are capitalist dictatorships too, which is where an entire country is extremely into capitalism. The capitalist extremism works with democracy, so the rights of people aren’t being infringed like the communist extremist countries. Honestly they need to do a middle ground where communists living under capitalism debate defectors of communist countries on the communist system. For the communists under capitalism side they should get an… -American -British -Australian -Israeli -South Korean -person from Botswana -New Zealander For the defectors of communist countries they should get a… -Chinese -Russian -Cuban -Arab -North Korean -person from Laos -Vietnamese
I love rants like this, like the capitalist in this video did several times, when there based off faulty logic. She didn't say "it can't be" she just said it wasn't.
The number of times Molombo dodged or deflected the topic/issue 😂 I can't believe he didn't get called out on that sooner. It took almost the entire episode before someone addressed it (Hannah, with the capitalism & slavery thing).
Molombo is the personification of the righteous, pretentious, virtual signaling narcissist if there ever was one. None of these American hating people would last a single month in the countries their grandparents came from.
Capitalism is the son of slavery. It’s a very similar exploitative system which exploits the lower class and is in complete control. How do you quantify the value of someone’s work or ability to work? The same system exploited minorities for years after slavery was abolished thru contracts with former slaves. You still have modern day slavery through capitalism via private prisons. Honestly brother molombo probably knew all that. He probably didn’t wanna go there on the slavery topic seeing as he’s the only brother there.
She made a Psycho Pass reference. Saying it could work. But in Psycho pass it clearly portrayed that the massive brain was evil and people needed freedom from it. And it literally murdered people. Lol 43:20
Honestly they need to cast people that are capable of having a conversation, not just people that passionate talk at each other. Can’t sit through this ep. The best one of these I’ve watched was the alpha vs beta males because both sides listened to each other and there was a sense of understanding and respect from both sides throughout, even when they disagreed. Basically they managed to have a successful conversation.
Not everything deserves a debate. No one should debate whether blacks should have rights it should just be universally accepted. Listening to the other side is a weak centrist point of view. Grow a pair pick a side
@@56BBSyou chose a fairly obvious point. what about when it’s more complex? people like you who randomly pick sides without knowing what you’re getting into is what is wrong🤣
@@56BBSI agree with you that it shouldn't be needed to make a debate about black people's rights because it should be universally accepted, but unfortunately it isn't accepted by the Karens and Kevins of the USA, so unfortunately it is needed!
‘Capitalists’ just talked over them and every time the other side tried to elaborate a point they would cut them off and change topics. Very disingenuous.
Eddie seemed to carry his side of the debate. Would’ve loved to see more engagement between him and the other side because that seemed to be the only informative parts of the video.
I thought it was crazy she was trying to define terms so they could all agree on the terms that were being debated, and Molombo just squashed that part of the conversation and talked over her.
That's because Hannah's "definition of terms" were obviously incorrect for anyone with even a modicum of understanding of political theory. Not to mention the fact that she regularly backtracked / contradicted her own statements constantly.
@@Sparkl1ngwater989 Not true AT ALL..... you either didnt watch the video OR you were not smart enough to understand what was said. The Capitalist were giving nothing but facts, stats, and history.... along with the difference between a government vs an economic system. And the fact this 3 communist couldnt understand this, only speaks to their level of ignorance.
@@davidthompson184not true at all. There are actually really well learned smart people that advocate for communism. Just because it hasn't been implemented correctly because we suck as humans and always want more for some reason, I'm guilty too. But the actual logical argument in my very limited knowledge leans towards sharing of wealth for EVERYONE not just "them"
On the Healthcare/Medicare thing, it's not free/welfare. You work and taxes come out of your check for it. The government doesn't give that out of thin air to help the elderly. The government is profiting of the Medicare tax. There is more people paying the tax than the government is spending on services
Molombo was the most EMOTIONAL panelist and used every tactic to avoid questions he didn't like or didn't want his people to answer. Jubilee staff should have picked a more articulate representative of that position. No one learned anything. No middle ground. Just emotions from Molombo.
One of the skills you should learn in debating is understanding which questions you should answer in order to continue a benefitial debate. Not every question is to be answered.
Molombo was so rude and talked down to the other people during the entire video. It was so obnoxious hearing him say “that’s a trap, I’m not answering that haha!”, but 20 minutes beforehand basically laughed at someone when they fell into HIS verbal trap
Not to mention him and the girl aren't even American. They're American on paper. Makes no sense I'll come somewhere and enjoy the system but still want to be against it 🙄
I can’t stand that guy! He acts like a know it all and is just plain passive aggressive, and I get the impression that he’s more disgruntled with the social status quo more so than capitalism itself..
seriously, and he did it EVERY TIME they had an argument and he would just smile and try to play it off... why come to debate if you're afraid of hearing arguments?
Molombo: I would love for you to let me finish my point Hannah. You're not the only person in the room Molombo when capitalists make points: AFFECTING WHAT. WHERE'S THE FACTS. SHOW ME THE FACTS
@@SOULSEEKERBEATSAmerica is extremely capitalist and is only getting more capitalist. Workers in the US have to earn a living by offering their labour to wealthier people (wage labour) which is pretty much the definition of capitalism
@@bitmelody2616 In a truly capitalist society, you wouldn't use an inflationary currency, you can trade with whatever you please with no restriction and middleman, there's nothing capitalist about what you describe
One of the best quotes I ever heard was. “The system isn’t the issue. Those running the system are.” The problem America has isn’t the American dream. It’s that “We the people” have given up our power and freedom to the elite. Thus…. Giving up the American dream.
I like how Molombo like to butter you up before silencing you the moment he hears something he doesn’t want to hear. And uses all of his “disadvantages” to his advantage to be able to talk as much as he wants lol
i consider myself to be a socialist and the lady in blue top is by far my favorite, she highlighted the problems with current implementation of capitalism and accepted that it's not being done correctly. i would like to know how socialism or capitalism can prevent these issues.
I wish they would do multiples of these conversations. There are so many important points that I am wishing and hoping someone will say and they just don’t get brought up. It’s very frustrating
The embargo isn't affecting us in Cuba? They are ignorant. For these types of topics, Jubilee needs to bring in people who are ACTUALLY educated on these subjects.
Multiple studies have concluded that the embargo had the opposite effect and the reactionary actions of cubas allies strengthened its economy more than what it would’ve been without the embargo at all.
To say Cuba had no doctors before communist is to ignore the fact that Cuba had the most doctors per capital in the world in the 1940s before communism took over. Even more than Europe and the USA. Let that sink in. These people are so ignorant.
Bunny’s takes were irrelevant and frankly insane. Her personal / family experiences of communism on China are so completely out of touch and non-applicable as she is so clearly very privileged from the economic success that capitalism has brought her family. Hard to watch someone with so little understanding of history debate from such a narrow view.
At 26:36 she started to argue women would definitely not want to live in America over china then realized she is currently living in America instead of china where she was born
@Dastardly1 weird she would want to go to school in America when she mentioned how much better and affordable the Chinese schools are. I’m sure she’ll like the 996 work schedule when she does go back tho
@@vro1313Ah yes, the person complaining that someone questioned whether his fave Hannah was racist or not, is in fact a racist. "KFC American"? Really? Your country and its culture is extremely embarrassing.
I mean it's OK to be skeptical of major countries in Africa because of the major power imbalance between African countries and china.,but you have to agree that the Chinese have not couped/assassinated any leaders and replaced them with a puppet leader to let them do what ever they want.they propose a deal,they African country says no,they say OK and leave.
I didn’t feel like that’s what he was saying though. I think he was saying Americans take what they want and the Chinese negotiate what they want. Pretty sure both are taking advantage of Africa though.
the girl that s a comunist and does content doesn’t realize that if she lived in a comunist country she wouldn’t be allowed not to work unde the pretext that she does “content”. Some people have some serious cognitive dissonance , and it is upsetting to see them try and preach certain agendas and ideologies that they certainly don’t fully understand
That's just a logical thing to do, if we talk about feminism, maybe she should have the first word? Just as if we are talking about mens rights we should let men speak first
I’m not a capitalist but Hannah was based sometimes tbh. Like how she was against paying so much for war out of our taxes and being against corporate welfare
Thanks! I think progressives and libertarians have a lot of overlap on civil liberties and foreign policy. And in my experience, when we can really dig into the problems in the US (I don't think we got to here) I think most will find big gov and spending are our core problems, not capitalism.
Corporate welfare is an inevitability in capitalism. The people that own the most land, and have the biggest businesses will always hold the most power in a capitalist society.
As a Cuban, lived in Cuba my whole life. And it gets me so upset just hearing them talk like if Communism was the best thing, that’s why we Hispanics say that some Americans were just born with no brain to think what they talk about and have never lived.
I’m not Cuban so plz correct me. But from my knowledge a large part to why Cuba is like this, is due to US embargo’s, then being an island nation, mass amounts of “middle”-“upper” class ppl leaving the country after the revolution & current policies (which I admit I’m not well versed on) 2/4 maybe even 3/4 of those things aren’t in their control as a nation. Especially being an island nation with heavy sanctions is borderline Impossible. My country, the uk. Is relatively suffering due to brexit and how that’s fucked up trading. Making a cost of living crisis. Also I wouldn’t say they love communism, it’s obviously flawed. I would say they just think it’s much better, in its “truest form” than capitalism
@Dastardly1 As a Cuban, I'm curious to know what those "impressive" achievements are that you say the government has achieved. Apart from starving the people. People without clothes and without shoes, without access to medicines or medical attention. With their houses falling apart because there are no materials or money to fix them. The city of Havana looks like a bombed city and it is thanks to more than 60 years of deteriorated buildings that are half collapsing because they are not been fixed in all that time. Hospitals without medicines and without any hygiene because they don't even have detergent to clean the floors, and also full of flies. A country where people do not even have soap to bathe, hot water and gas to heat the non-existent food or something as simple as toilet paper. Where are the "impressive" achievements?
Would love that! I wanted to get more in depth on Hannah’s ideology vs my own. We can host something like that on the Midwestern Marx RUclips if people are interested.
@@mortalakira Communism would be a terrible economic system for content creators and other creative arts lmao, the only reason she get's paid as an entertainer is because of supply and demand eg: Capitalism
Did Molombo literally buy comments to praise him😂😂 Just scrolled through the comment section and saw like 10 comments from accounts with very strange usernames praising Molombo‘s intellect in very weirdly written english in a row. All of them with zero likes and some even word for word the same, but from different accounts. Lol that‘s hilarious.
@@vro1313 Can you type out an example of what you'd seen? Only thing I'd seen was someone being called racist for saying one of the comments was from a bot, and Molombo himself calling Hannah a "white capitalist".
Unreleased prompt is up on our Patreon 👉 bit.ly/4ahMyzP “Communism has caused more suffering than capitalism has”
Please do an ODD ONE OUT with artist/painters
I will try making money next to watch you guys I love your videos serious ones and non serious I feel like I'm close to your channel and videos kinda creepy💀
Absolutely agree
Not a fair measure. Most of the world's population lived under some form of capitalism from 1700s to 1930s. From the 1930-90s most lived under socialist politicians.
Capitalists came with facts. Communists came with feelings.
Not gonna lie at this point jubilee should just do actual debates and allow the guest to prepare and come with both statistics and anecdotes that way you get the numbers and reality side of whatever topic it is
Yesssss!!!
Well plenty of their guests come on prepared. Two on the capitalism side are political pundits online, and so is at least one on the communism side. These videos usually 50% or more of them come in with the talking points ready to go.
I liked how they did it with Undecided where there was a moderator up there with them keeping everyone on track and asking follow-up questions.
I absolutely agree they both get sited information and also are able to know the prompts as well as have fact on hands!!
yes, its embarrassing when one side is so ill prepared they get absolutely bodied
Again, this series desperately needs:
1) Live fact checking
2) Better moderation
3) Better preparation from the participants (encourage them to come with stats and articles and numbers)
So many of these discussions go off the rails bc people are saying things that either aren't true or aren't on prompt and it's so frustrating.
Often times it seems like they select people who are knowledgeable on their opinion, only on one side, just like in the Palestine one a few days ago. They should have had Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, who had lived experiences to speak. Not “my aunt” story. The amount of lies that went unchecked was gross.
@@cutewithoutheetbs0282 read my comment above
You need live fact checking because you lack underlying knowledge. Stop being lazy and inform yourself first before you form uninformed opinions 😁
They cast actors and influencers for these debates. Some they call in multiple times for different topics. They actually need to get knowledgeable experts to debate these topics.
We can fact check, can't we?
If Jubilee decides to start fact checking these debates, they would be so much more valuable
Completely disagree. Just look at the fact checking sites we have now that have a clear bias. I think we should let the conversation stand for itself without the channel going “um actually, according to cherry-picked sources, this is incorrect”
I disagree, placing the burden of fact checking on jubilee is a dangerous thing. They’re supposed to only be the medium, if they suddenly begin shutting people down, the conversation would devolve. Secondly, certain so called “fact checkers” might have vested interest in individual subjects. In the end, the responsibility of fact checking always comes back to you.
You have a cpu in your pocket to read the literature
You can’t fact check with no bias anymore that’s why they don’t do it
@@bighuncho_can you believe the audacity
Both sides are dressed exactly as you would imagine them to be
Literally the capitalists were so funny
@@luanagund1334 I'm for capitalism and i laughed when i saw them standing in the shadows in their monday morning business atire
@@StzaCrizzack yeah why do they have to look so stereotypical, can't the capitalist just wear a T shirt like it wouldn't prove anything lol
Very profesional business attire by the capitalist, and casual lunch attire by the communist.
Sooooooo now we're generalizing people based on fashion
I would have loved to see an Eastern European involved in this conversation.
or a Lybian or South American
Doesn't matter, capitalism won. Deal with it
Or us, Cubans. Who have lived under communist ideology
Yes, someone who lived in the USSR and came to retirement age at the tail end of Perestroika, and or someone who had been a skilled professional in any of the Eastern Bloc nations and immigrated to the U.S. 1989-1992
Exacly become from my experience from parents and people from czechoslovakia and later what i learned is that corruption was a big part of society not only in surtain industries but everywhere. Becouse czechoslovakia was one of the economicly more prospering socialist countries. They wanted to abolish the wealthy rich and made the most people in the same economic weight class as. And that was exacly the perfect breading ground for corruption becouse working harder wouldnt made you more money or freedom but your connections help from family members or some tasty bribes were the only thing common people could get more than they had before
Molomo trying his hardest to play the nice guy but being extremely condescending and not taking into any consideration any of the points being mentioned is crazyyyy.
He definitely has a persecution complex. Super transparent when he tried to tell one of the capitalists that she was being "demeaning" when she was defining communism.
@@AppleOfThineEye he’s the living definition of wanting the cake and eating it too.
He's insufferable. "stop interrupting" as he interrupts everyone else. Then he totally agrees that government aid makes people lazy but he's supposed to be a Communist?
He acts so politically correct but I got such misogynistic vibes from him. The way he continually puts his hand over his mouth and smirks when Hannah starts to speak… so rude.
Molomo thinks he’s smarter than he is
The best part about this whole conversation is that they are in a country where you are allowed to have it
exactly, try communism even talking about politics results in permanent expulsion haha
@@thanhtu5218 That's not economic. That's governmental. Do not confuse the two. It's like saying capitalism means slavery.
@@adualaispurogovernment=communism
@@adualaispurothat’s a bad analogy bud sorry
@@adualaispuro ....it's all important to take everything into consideration. If freedom of speech is stripped by the "government", you bet it is going to affect your life.
I feel like jubilee should have a mediator that makes sure no one gets interrupted and an after credits where everyone’s points are fact-checked. I can see these videos being educational in seeing other perspectives but I think Jubilee need to make sure misinformation isn’t being spread.
So you are not a proponent of free speech is what you’re saying.
@@jonathanlee-cf1vf Making sure people are able to finish what they are saying & correcting any possible, or even perceived, mistakes after people have been able to say what they want is not an imposition on free speech. These days, I would be concerned about the accuracy of the "fact checking", but even if the fact checking was entirely misrepresenting the facts of the topic, it still wouldn't be an imposition on the participant's freedom to say what they wish as long as it allowed them to say what they wish &, I would argue, didn't deceptively edit that. Am I misunderstanding what you were describing in your comment?
Agree. Basically, Jubilee just lets these people come in and argue with each other. There’s always one loud mouthed person who talks over everyone else and interrupts. I would just like them to have a freaking mediator at this point so that everyone can get a chance to speak.
The problem with fact-checking is that for a lot of things in economics, there is a ton of mixed evidence. In an economy, there's a million and one variables, and those are very hard to control for. It would also put a lot of pressure on Jubilee, making them act as an arbiter of truth.
Idk if the video was overly edited, but the communists kept steering the conversation and eliminated all potential of a productive conversation.
Molombo is extremely manipulative and controlling while pretending to be kind.
This is just the worst kind of people.
Super patronizing
Typical woke liberal
He’s just ‘too spicy’
You are fascist
You know manipulative bad people always try to play the victim and use the empathy and naivety of people in their favor... always have to fear the wolf in the Little red ridinh hood.
i love the Chinese girl who knows all about china s communism and loves it omg, but decides to live in America instead.
Bro she's a live streamer saying she would get paid as much as software engineers
lmao
@@moddingmiddleearth I laughed so hard at that
bro ikr. Why would she?@@moddingmiddleearth
That's the first thing I thought about when she stood wen at the communist side I thought what. Go back to Chyynaa girl😮
As a Cuban who was born and raised in Cuba and lived there for 17 years. I invite these 3 individuals to go live over there if they love the system so much and enjoy of the perks of misery and a socialist dictatorship.
Something I always find ironic. The people pushing for communism and socialism in America are the people who have never truly experienced these systems in action. There is a reason why so many immigrants and refuges come here from communist and socialist countries, and very few people ever migrate to those places. Basic critical thinking skills are truly so rare nowadays and it's honestly scary
@@XxTraGiKzxThey always say US empire makes cuba poor even though cuba has lots of trading partners
@@Lonewolfdebnf Yeah it's wild that this amazing system needs the very antithesis of itself to thrive.
Your country is under an aggressive embargo by the US.
Exactly!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Seeing Tai Lopez resurface in mainstream media after not hearing about this guy in years feels like a fever dream 😂
shouldn´t give this guy a stage tbh
I was like, isn't that the guy that showed off his lambo and is like "You wanna know how I got this car? KNOWLEDGEEE"
Is he a scammer?
@@InternetGirl1093 kinda, he´s an I make you rich coach
@@InternetGirl1093no
I would’ve loved if a moderator came in and gave explicit definitions of capitalism and communism because they are not universally agreed upon in general, and I’m sure even in this small sample size, most of them would not agree on a single definition.
The capitalist girl didn't even know what she was debating lol doesn't even know what capitalism is
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusViciFunny you say that considering how communists think cronyism and corporatism is capitalist. And the weird communist girl thinks North Korea isn’t communist. Plus Hannah said the definition multiple times are you deaf.
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVicii don't think that's fair.
As a socialist, I've found it very frustrating to have capitalists define what socialism is. Like, the socialists should get to say what socialism is. Similarly, the capitalists should get to own their definition too.
But yeah, she wasn't really arguing in favor of what i view capitalism as. She was arguing in favor of free trade and small government. She wasn't arguing for the mass accumulation of wealth, nor was she clearly arguing for capital to control the means of production.
@@reed6514 she's one of those "I read Wikipedia so now I have a political opinion" type clouded by decades of indoctrination. She needs to read Marx and Engels.
Abolition of private property
It’s really annoying when a conversation starts actually getting somewhere or someone is making their point and they eventually just cut to the next prompt. They’ve done it much more often recently and then started charging you to go watch their full version. I don’t want to pay for the full version if it’s still gonna be lackluster question topics, people consistently cutting each other off with no moderation and their arguments eventually getting cut off to get to the next topic. I would pay/support if it meant the quality would be better but it’s literally the same video with an extra topic.
Capitalism baby
😂😂 @@bertramclement6702
Cus capitalism babe. Jubjub's gotta eat ~
If you can't afford $3 a month to distract yourself with pseudo-intellectual gratification, you should be Intellectually Present in your real life. Get your money up, not your funny up.
@@brutallyhonestfrank5542 always some weirdo to start saying someone’s broke when that’s never even the conversation being had.
No way that girl thinks that a content maker should make as much as a Software designer
thats the issue with new era communist they dont use factual thinking and will respond with "i feel it would work or i know it would"
Being an artist wouldn't really wven be a job. Communism needs all hands on board, so theres not much room for it.
Yall realize content creators often make more than software designers once you account for content creators making content as a full time job.
@@utahnash the amount of content creators making more than software designers is very slim. If we took a sample of equal parts content creators and software designers, most content creators wouldn't make more than the software designers.
Exactly
The government is so mistrusted in the US and I am glad they all agreed to that.
Many of the things they were complaining about with the respective countries weren't matters of economy.
@@taurianfergusonTo be fair, communism isn’t just about the economy either.
@@taurianferguson A county’s economy affects everything. That’s why every type of economic system has its pros and cons. There is no one size fits all.
@@KeepItCute22 the problem with all governments and economic systems are that they involve people. Kinda agree with that girl that robots need to take over.
funny thing is, communism is all about trusting the government and having the government own everything.
I think this is the first time jubilee has brought on real leftists and not neoliberal democrafts and while it was definitely refreshing, the conversation seemed to go in too many directions to be cohesive. I think middleground needs a much more active moderator to keep everyone on track. No one actually even discussed the first prompt about power, it went straight into a general argument of capitalism vs communism in general.
100% agree, the constant interrupts and not allowing people to finish their points makes this episode unwatchable
its like they all wanted to get out their own personal take they prepared beforehand
😂that's these radical leftists
What distinguished these yuppie cosplaying "real" leftists from "neoliberal" Democrats?
Not saying the Capitalist side had much to offer substantively, either. They all struck me as varying shades of educated fools spouting theory and preset rhetoric at each other, no real world solutions.
So glad all these leftists have zero power in the government now
"China has abolished poverty"
OMG that guy is so lost in his fantasy world 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
ikr 🤣 his attitude was the worst, thinking hes smart .
no doubt!!! What a joke haha
But China did abolish poverty! By changing the definition of the word poverty!
Chinas not eveb communist
Its capitalism under a central authoritarian govt
@@ww-nk6lf China is way more communist than America hence why it’s a common point of discussion in debates like these.
my fiance was born in cuba. I cannot imagine how long this comment would be if i tried to list every single grievance her (large) family has and their struggles with living under the cuban government. We recently met one of her distant cousins who immigrated to the US a few months ago, and he told us that he broke down in tears stepping into a supermarket for the first time. He told us how in cuba you would have to wait in a line to get a single chicken breast and a loaf of bread for the week.
I have a short but similar story
My dad was born in China and when he moved to the U.S during like 80s or 70s he told me when he went to the market for the first time he thought the dog food and cat food had actual dog and cat meat in them
Same was in Soviet Union
I'm sure it sucks having free healthcare, education and housing, and affordable food.
@@Sednas least obvious rage bait
@@bellagiolutjen5392 I'm being 100% serious buddy
Please do a middle ground on doctors and patients. I've seen such a divide lately on how patients perceive doctors and vice versa
Amazing idea
NURSES VS PATIENTS!!!
WOW. I love this.
Yeah would love it. Maybe if we got doctors from the worst states for healthcare vs doctors from the best states, we can see, as patients, why people like me have menhorragia for 35-40 days and no one cares.
Even doctors have their own doctors though. Every doctor has been a patient, but not every patient has been a doctor.
I really wish the moderators kept them on track for each question. It’s so frustrating watching everyone interrupt/talk over each other. I would love to see people who are able to have a debate without getting so worked up they don’t allow the other side to talk.
It’s so annoying. It doesn’t feel like a debate. It feels like they just sit people down to argue with each other and there’s always one loud mouthed person who cuts other people off constantly and talks more than anyone else.
@@laikanbarth I agree! It’s very annoying, I just want to listen to a proper debate with individuals that aren’t attacking each other.
@@laikanbarthit’s how they get views. If they didn’t make it like that, less would watch
I have noticed that middle ground episodes have become longer and longer because they often steer off from the topics, almost no visible moderation.
@@pinkmama6077 I can see your point in diving deeper on a topic, but a huge annoyance (for me) is when everyone is talking over one another and you can’t hear any of the points, or some people are unheard. Also, a lot of these people aren’t experts and when some state “facts” they refuse to back it up (in some videos) which is also interesting.
Ain’t no way they tried to defend the one child policy in the female empowerment prompt
My exact thoughts. Female infanticide and Forced ab*rtions don’t happen in china apparently
To be a communist is to be delusional lol
And that came from Bunny, the female streamer from China, FEMALE... from China... saying the one child policy was empowering for woman. I can only assume all she hears in her head is Looney Tunes and "ohh SHINY"
India is very much a capitalist country. They are now going to implement a two child policy.
The one-child policy led to mass female feticide/infanticide and now the sex trafficking of women. That Bunny chick is very ignorant.
I can’t believe this girl said that healthcare in china is almost 100% for everyone, we surely grew up in different China.
You probably have, healthcare in America has improved over the last 10 years, and we have really exclusive healthcare.
Yes China does have healthcare, probably one where they don’t check you well at all because it’s all free healthcare which makes it a bad check up
The guy whose family is from the Congo is wearing an $800 Versace outfit complaining about capitalism 😂
why not, in the real world, developed capitalism is combined with imperialism, without imperialism is what happened in the third-world capitalist country like Congo
That's not a versace shirt, that's a $20 shirt from walmart
@@DaciYTit’s smersache
And lets not forget to mention how truly smug he is, passive aggressive comments, CLEARLY a full time victim, which is just a complete embarrassment to everything hie family went through to GET HERE.
Clearly was never taught HOW to think, only taught WHAT to think.
@@mattlol163here's my thing, you can't discount another person's experience. I would always listen to your experience so listen to his. Probably crazy different from yours as mine is to you. But you can't just say that maybe he hasn't become successful and bought a nice shirt but still realize our system is fucked. I just want it known some things can suck while also saying other things suck
I want to see a discussion between people who have lived within capitalism vs communism.
Excellent response.
communism never existed, they'll be talking about their experience in the ussr or so-called communist countries
@@zachbohemian exactly cuz communism will never exist it requires dictatorship in the modern world
They were communist.
@@zachbohemianCommunism sucks so terribly that the act of merely implementing it collapses the nation
We’re not gonna talk about how bunny argued for a self conscious AI that dictates the world
Exactly she doesn’t value freedom which is why she loves communist China.
She’s just there to get more people to watch her streams and give her money
An asian uwu girl streamer, a white teenage-wannabe with xs shirt and an apologist with victim complex... I meann, what can you get out of these guys? 💅🏿
Lolll for real, my jaw actually hit the floor.
Can it be worse than the capitalists supporting communism during WW2 to overtake half of the world?
I work with two people who came to the USA from China and both of them told me that they would never go back.
many more go back and you don't have a chance to talk with them. so you only know people who don't want to go back.
This is not a debate about communism verses Capitalism. If people are better off in America then why would they leave. The fact is the Chinese as a nation are better off under communism than under Chang Ki Shek and that is all that matters.
the brightest Chinese people are no longer moving to America. compare to 30 years ago. when everyone is trying to get out of China. the ones that does move to America are the ones that are uncompetitive in China. of course they don't want to go back, there is a reason they moved in the first place. America is no longer getting the best talented people around the world, instead it has an open boarder for criminals to freely get into.
@@ERG173Exactly, that's what I say about Vietnam, Vietnam is way better under socialism with Ho Chi Minh,Le Duan and Trong than any South Vietnamese president like ever, they were all pretty terrible lol.
@@dobridjordje ..... This capitalism verses communism/socialism is nonsense.
America will be a communist country one day if the elites persist in taking all the money. Money motivates, lack of it destroys motivation.
Molombo being like "let her finish what she's saying" while simultaneously trying to interrupt everyone else is humorous at best
For real. I'm on the communist side but Molombo was extremely annoying and egotistical.
My thoughts exactly, people like him are so annoying I don't believe they have genuine interest in anything except themselves and how they come across.
Loved when he was by himself on the "Only the rich benefit" prompt and he had NOTHING to say, then proceeded to try to realign himself with the other two beside him when they didn't even agree with him 🤣 People like him just want to belong somewhere.
I'm on the communist side but I agree, that was annoying af
So true! 😂😂😂
Podcasts are what's in and i don't understand why yall cut these videos down to a fraction of what is recorded. You can make a part 2 and 3 idc as long as we get more discussion. The way yall have it now is more like a taste testing of productive conversations. And if it isn't productive then you need to find better guests by hiring a better person to screen.
They have full versions on their patreon.
@@ericrhodes186 The 4 hour raw video?
@@ericrhodes186L
@@ericrhodes186Don't you need to pay to watch the uncut videos?
They want to edit it to show favor to their biases
She did not just say “if we could pull it off like Psycho Pass, that would be great.” Isn’t the whole point of the show that it’s a sci-if dystopia that’s gone too far?
That segment is a hypothetical,as she stated. and came as a leviate from the proir heated discussion they had. So it wasn't meant to be taken serious.
It is insane how two people can watch the same show and get completely opposite interpretations. Psycho pass is probably my favorite anime because of its profound anti authoritarian message.
lmao I though the same thing. I thought she was going somewhere with it, but when she say pull it off I'm like pause.
@@justinthenoobnah it's just lack of media literacy. Homeboy can't understand Thor love and thunder was not pro alien just cause it took place on alien worlds.
When she was trying to make this AI point it instantly brought me to the ending of Moonfall, obviously many other examples too tho
The moment they mentioned Cuba as having the number 1-2 spot in health care, I lost it. Had to even pause the video.
I’ve lived in Cuba, and know people from there still. Cuba has one of the WORST health care systems. Despite it being “free”, they lack many crucial and common medications and medical equipment to even take care of their people.
As a Cuban person who grew up in Cuba and whose immediate family is still on the island. I hate hearing American communists speak on Cuba. I wish Cubans had the freedom to even talk and critique their government like these people can. They don’t even realize how entitled they are.
Period
As if communist groups like the black panthers haven’t been literally murdered and imprisoned by the American government. Even MLK who was a socialist was blackmailed and threatened by the FBI
Porque no hablas del bloqueo y embargo de Estados Unidos sobre Cuba? puedes resaltar eso tambien?
Gusano?
@@lichaldpara Que? Solo lo va a negar
The fact that Molombo would make a wild statement like “slavery is capitalism” and then not let Hannah respond because he wanted to move on because the topic is “too spicy” is hilarious…..
He did that several times, trying to deflect when he knew he/they were getting backed into a corner lol
@@hehe8012thank you for having brain cells, these capitalists are like sheep to a slaughter house 😂😂
@@hehe8012 So why the countries with the best working conditions like Denmark and Ireland are all capitalists?
I was trying to keep the conversation lighthearted by saying the topic was too spicy, but in actual fact I simply refused to discuss slavery w/ white capitalists
@@Pichuuhthey exploit third world countries
As someone who's been watching this channel for a while: does Jubilee read their comments? I see so many comments about wanting more qualified people, more moderation, or real statistics, but every video seems the same. I wish the debates had more concrete structure:/ Would be so great to see more videos like the flat earther one where actual academics come on the show to talk, or at least have more fact checks on the screen when someone talks about a stat/fact
i feel like they purposely do this because it cause more room for heated debates. it also creates room for people do get more heated when watching.
I don’t think intelligent, qualified people would waste their time on Jubilee.
TRUE. This comment alone helped me skip out on this video 😂
Mmm I don’t know. How many people making these comments actually watch debates. Middle ground is not a debate. It’s people’s opinions. It’s a different thing. If you want to see a debate you can find many online
I dont think there’s qualified intelligent people who are communist though.
Molombo's bait of "you look like the nicest person ever" was surprisingly effective lol
Omg. Comparing capitalism and comunism and using america and china to do it is like comparing water and land animals and using crocodile and frogs to do it😂
Thank you
Meaning? That analogy is hard to grasp. Is it that they both live in water? Is it that one side has an advantage over the other? China is a single party state, with officials wielding far too much power and citizens having barely any rights, but truthfully, is only Communist in name; it’s not Communist at all. It was once under Mao but his successors realized how worthless the actual policies of Communism were. Now it’s basically a dictator-run Han people ethnic state.
@@angelomaldini3316 He's saying they're essentially the same thing. China is basically capitalist when it comes to economics.
@@nolongerjuicyboiz4413 please explain
@@drakeisaskinwalker5104 what you mean? China is aggressively capitalistic in a lotta ways. You're gonna have to look it up for yourself - I'm not an economist. I just hear that many aspects of it are capitalist.
Pretty sure Bunny bashes American apologists while simultaneously being a Chinese apologist. The irony of her moving to America from China, continuing to live here while exploiting US capitalism in her adult age, and then saying women don't want to live here in comparison to places like China is wild.
People move from China to the US to avoid fierce competition in Chinese society. Just because the US is the land of opportunity doesn't mean it's safe.
Very true! Wow I did not catch that.
Moving to America from communist China, start advocating communism for America... interesting!
should could have been made to come here by her parents.
@@Bewefau Sure, however she's not only chosen to stay in her adult age, but to also utilize America's capitalistic system and become a very successful twitch streamer. Make that make sense.
Jubilee somehow does the impossible by bringing all the worst people you ever met into one room.
And they do it nearly every single episode of middle ground too.
Exactly
@@jamientyep
That really isn’t a hard thing to do
People are the worst in general
Just give them a platform and they’ll expose themselves.
And asking the worst questions.
The asian basically summed up communism when she said "if everyone was this way communism would work." But that's not how human nature works, she's talking about a utopia where everything is the fantasy of fluffy clouds and butterflies.
They never fail to find the worst possible representatives for whatever argument they’re having. There might be like only two exceptions all time lol
LITERALLY
I sometimes think jubilee picks these radical people for bait
@@xtcy5922fr, I swear there’s always the worst people chosen
What’s wrong with the capitalists? 😅 On the other hand, those loonies represent communists pretty well. Greetings from Eastern Germany (so to all you American lefties, let me tell you, be careful with what you are wishing for)
I think part of it is people apply to be on, and it’s possible the only people willing to apply are the more radical or extreme people.
While I generally enjoyed this debate. One thing that frustrated me like crazy was Molombo acting like a de-facto moderator in this debate where he was picking and choosing what people should answer so that he could control the narrative. It prevented the debate from being as free-flowing as it should be.
It’s interesting you mention controlling the narrative.. I wonder what capitalists do…
There was also most definitely a moderator, they just didn’t have to moderate because the group did that for them.
You’ll notice in other Jubilee videos the moderator only comes in when no one can be heard or get a word out because everyone is talking at the same time. I think this group did a great job at giving everyone time to speak, especially because Molombo set the tone for that.
@@emouraaaawhat are you? Molombo’s girlfriend?
@@emouraaaawhy does it matter whom controls the tone? It’s a debate not a conversation. Spoken like a true communist. Preach freedom then turn around and take it away. He’s wasn’t a moderator and was the least informed about most if not all subjects. So if it was up to someone to set a tone it shouldn’t have been him. He took away more then he contributed to the debate
@@518trey1lol yea he was the most uninformed not the de hard capitalist Hanna that didn't know what "market equilibrium", literally week 4 of econ 101, was.
what was with that dude shutting down other people from talking by using their names? It felt weird and kind of rude. Also saying to everyone"You look like the nicest person in the world, so just let me speak" He's trying to trick them into sounding caring, but he just is actually being selfish by not letting others talk and respond
I know I hated that guy
b.l.ack syndrome
actual gaslighting lol
Yeah I noticed that too, very weird…and disingenuous
Yes he’s annoying af
Oof, mentioning Mao Zedong in an argument for communism is a rough start.
Best socialist countries were Yugoslavia and North Vietnam - Modern day Vietnam because they had capable leaders who could exploit the system well.
I have loved middle ground for years now, and this has been one of the most unsuccessful videos in the series yet. I am 36:00 minutes in and there has been zero moderation, zero compromise, and they cut to the next prompt before anyone has made and clarified their point. Don’t you WANT us to see people coming together; having respectful and thoughtful conversations; so we can learn more about people from both sides and understand where they’re coming from? It will be a really sad day when jubilee succumbs to the pressure of creating clickbait instead of creating content that can truly change the world for the better…
Can’t compromise with a capitalist
they did agree on a few things though. corporate welfare for the mega rich is an issue (although I doubt the capitalist woman agrees to it being a problem even if she says it here).
Communism is one of those things that get flushed down the toilet
@@phanders6236 Why do you people do that? It's like you are so afraid to agree with what a capitalist says so you have to makeup their beliefs in order to disagree on the very thing you agree on.
Even when the capitalists say that they don't really like the fbi, Molombo comes in and says "Yeah you do actually like the fbi, it is capitlist fbi so you must like it" instead of simply agreeing that it is a problem
I’m pretty sure they keep the full videos behind a paywall.
I am so happy molubo explained what’s happening in congo , people are been slaughtered and sent out of their homes and getting their mineral resources stolen. But somehow it’s not been talked about and it’s literally under a capitalist economical system
Stop blaming a whole economic system when it’s really bad leadership
@@MySwagg93 true but I’m only stating the dangers of extreme capitalism , people in power abuse it , we both know there isn’t a perfect economic system but i agree with you it is just bad government, well said
@@naomioladipo8216 definitely understand where you’re coming from, and extremes can happen in any economic system. We have plenty of examples of extreme communism/socialism as well. We as society just have to start making better choices for leaders!
@Dastardly1 I can tell you don’t understand the definition of pure capitalism
@@MySwagg93 When it starts to become a pattern, then it’s most likely the system. It’s no coincidence that the capitalist king that is the USA is also the first world country with the worst living conditions.
Consent matters and taxation is theft.
Taxation is not theft, because the public consents to taxation.
@@baguette_connoisseur show me my signature on where I consented...and then tell me how one consents at birth? Gtfoh
@@baguette_connoisseur how does one consent at birth..... prove my signature on where I consented!?...funny how you can't 😉 either you are born on plantations for slave masters or taxation is theft...pick one
@@baguette_connoisseur when does the public consent 🤔....when they are born... either you are born on plantations for slave masters or taxation is theft, period.
Molombo was BEYOND patronizing to the women. Especially with Hannah, he tried refuting her point by saying that she looks younger than everyone in the discussion, then tried to say she couldn't handle topics, etc. "I'm like the nicest person in the world" says every toxic person EVER.
He stated that Hannah seems like the nicest person in the world.
??? At no point in the video did he say she looked younger. He also didn’t say “IM the nicest”, he said “Hannah, YOU LOOK LIKE the nicest”.
Yeah, while I found him & everyone interesting & all! I didn't like how he said she looked like the youngest, it was a bit patronizing!
His white-knighting was gross and patronizing
@@emouraaaait was a passive aggressive remark to pre empt him whining to be fair
The dude with the head scarf was honestly so unbelievably annoying. He really ruined this conversation by acting like the main character and having such a crappy way of interacting with people. At one point he grabbed the guy next to him and aggressively put his arm around him so he could cut him off and interrupt him. Thats fine to do with your friends. Its not fine to do to a complete stranger you're having a political conversation with
Really the capitlist woman sucked for me
@@Kings_Court24she crushed
He’s lived in the world that whoever talks the loudest is the most important.
@@Wenisssssexactly this.
@@Wenisssss what world are you referring to?
I wish they had brought in communists who actually knew what capitalism and communism were, Molombo's definition for capitalism was just ridiculous and Bunny was making random points that barely connected to the prompts . Eddie was the only one who actually had a clue what he was talking about.
the way i see communist streamers I tend to believe most are like that, but I could be wrong.
His definition was fine and far more accurate than hannas misattribution of capitalism as "any form of commerce".
It’s because no one who fully understands it are for it😅
@@sophiacalon3463your IQ is 0 , capitalists in the video kept saying is not real capitalism crap
I disagree Eddie and Molombo have a great understanding in what Communism is. On the contrary I don’t think you do
A lot of people who get upset about Capitalism are younger and haven’t established themselves financially yet. But when they grow older and start having to pay more taxes there is a shift. Especially when they wake up and realize that politicians are spending their money foolishly, and not holding corporations to account because they are allowed to accept money from these entities to get voted into power. Then they turn around and implement more taxation in the form of vehicle registration hikes, gas prices, sales tax, and home value reassessments etc. that rob both the rich and the poor, sometimes equally. Then they moan about businesses price gouging but do little to change it rather than running on change (to make you feel like they realize the problem) then do little to nothing to change it. Sad.
I’ll save you 40 minutes: NO.
I knew the answer before I clicked on the video. I am here for entertainment! 😁
Several I'll informed kids.
Yes
Communism < Capitalism < Ryan Reynolds
@@kingzingo1784 Ok then move to Cuba and tell us how you like it
As soon as bro said "but... I'm black in America" i already knew not to listen to a single talking point he had
Exactly
Exactly. “I’m a victim in America”
100%
Care to explain why?
@@stardust474 Care to use your brain?
Molumbo has a magical ability view opinions as fact and facts as opinion.
At the same time every time using titles of state verse the subject at hand.
They all did tbh, except that guy in pink.
All of them have opinions, and only a handful of them are producing facts to back up their opinions.
“ i don’t wanna argue “ when you signed up for a debate channel is absolutely comical.
As a communist refugee I would have loved to be a part of the debate. It’s a complex issue and I find most of the west doesn’t know much of what actually occurred in the ussr
What have you read, refugee? What do you know?
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVicihe knows what happens in practice rather than in theory
hm yea communists vs communist refugees would also be interesting
EXACTLY
@@NonCredibleFrenchDefenseyes I suggested this in a comment to Jubilee videos long ago
I don’t want to argue I don’t want to argue. Talks over everyone, argues and then when he knows he’s wrong wants to dismiss and not argue.
yep, sounds like a communist
Everyone interrupts in the heat of a debate with no moderation, boohoo
@@azhurelpigeonand every baby pisses their pants so what’s your point
@@azhurelpigeon he's still being annoying af
You didn’t even say his name and I already knew you meant Molombo without even finishing the first topic.
"In China you're more free" bunny
oh someone should tell her about the Uyghurs.
Someone should offer her a one-way ticket back to China and see if she takes them up on it.
I dont know what this girl is doing with them
Someone should tell you about their own brutal domestic fight against terrorism...
I think someone is banking her social credits abroad
Do you seriously think the United States would have any patience for separatists inside of their own borders? We both know the answer to that question.
Try having this conversation in China and see what happens.
The fact they all agreed they don't like government at the end did make me chuckle. It would seem no matter where you look, humans dislike large authority.
Communism is all about large authority. If they agreed on that i dont think they are communist.
@@borecsalat6101 Communism is a dictatorship. It's a political ideology that gives total power and control to governement under the guise that the people own everything. It's a guise because you can't own something that you don't control.
not at all
Everyone dislikes the people with power, until they are in position of power
easy
@@borecsalat6101 no comunism is the abolished state, that's no comunism state
@@borecsalat6101Capitalism is the one actually about large authority. Authority is still authority even if it’s a private corp doing all the police state and enslaving instead of a government lol
I appreciate the fact that Cam brought a notepad in with him. I’d do the same! It’s always great to have relevant information at your fingertips, especially during a debate.
I think it was also to help keep his train of thought in the conversation but I get what you’re saying. I’d do the same regardless😅😂
@@nashi._.7563keeping track of what people said, the order they said it in, and who said it!
Istj nerds
Can’t keep all the lies in order without it
I literally hollered when he brought that out 😂. I never seen a guest do that before. You go cam!
you guys seriously need to have all of these episodes moderated, this is like a competition of who can talk louder and interrupt the most
For real. I turned it off not even 5 minutes in because this.
Most average politics / economics debate tbh
As a professional debater this made me appreciate structured speeches this made me scream in frustration with the talking over everyone
Same lol there’s so much wrong with some arguments too smh
Exactly
I've known 4 people who used various teaching abroad programs that lived in china. Not a single one regretted coming back to the west. None view china as a better system.
She seriously don't know the difference between an economic system and a governing system. She is saying north Korea can't be communist because it's a dictatorship and said it with a straight face. This is the problem with the USA no one is educated on civics and history and basic economics anymore but everyone thinks they are experts cause they read an article once or there favorite influencer said so...this is a perfect example of why the USA is falling apart and behind.
People don’t realise that a dictatorship is an extreme version of a system that makes it impossible for the country to change its ways. There are capitalist dictatorships too, which is where an entire country is extremely into capitalism. The capitalist extremism works with democracy, so the rights of people aren’t being infringed like the communist extremist countries.
Honestly they need to do a middle ground where communists living under capitalism debate defectors of communist countries on the communist system.
For the communists under capitalism side they should get an…
-American
-British
-Australian
-Israeli
-South Korean
-person from Botswana
-New Zealander
For the defectors of communist countries they should get a…
-Chinese
-Russian
-Cuban
-Arab
-North Korean
-person from Laos
-Vietnamese
A communist society is definitionally stateless, so dictatorship actually is in fact antithetical to communism
She’s also not from the USA. She’s literally from China. Works in China. And lives in China still.
I love rants like this, like the capitalist in this video did several times, when there based off faulty logic. She didn't say "it can't be" she just said it wasn't.
@luisperez3763there are no capitalist countries anymore. Capitalism ended with the Great Depression
The number of times Molombo dodged or deflected the topic/issue 😂 I can't believe he didn't get called out on that sooner. It took almost the entire episode before someone addressed it (Hannah, with the capitalism & slavery thing).
Molombo is the personification of the righteous, pretentious, virtual signaling narcissist if there ever was one. None of these American hating people would last a single month in the countries their grandparents came from.
Hannah just acting like the Dutch east India company and the north Atlantic slave trade never existed was really infuriating
I agree, although the Dutch east India company and the north Atlantic slave trade was ignored by her.
And he’s so patronizing too. “You look like the nicest guy in the room please let me finish”. Like ew
Capitalism is the son of slavery. It’s a very similar exploitative system which exploits the lower class and is in complete control.
How do you quantify the value of someone’s work or ability to work?
The same system exploited minorities for years after slavery was abolished thru contracts with former slaves. You still have modern day slavery through capitalism via private prisons.
Honestly brother molombo probably knew all that. He probably didn’t wanna go there on the slavery topic seeing as he’s the only brother there.
She made a Psycho Pass reference. Saying it could work. But in Psycho pass it clearly portrayed that the massive brain was evil and people needed freedom from it. And it literally murdered people. Lol 43:20
LMAOOO THE CYBERPUNK GENRE IS LAGE STAGE CAPITALISM 💀💀
Yea but Tankies don’t have functioning brains so they can’t process things like this lol
Lmaooo
@@nemo2327 cyberpunk genre is capitalism 🤡😭
@@artilleryproCommunism is evil
They should define terms of the topic before beginning the discussion. Makes it easier for both parties to agree or disagree.
Honestly they need to cast people that are capable of having a conversation, not just people that passionate talk at each other. Can’t sit through this ep. The best one of these I’ve watched was the alpha vs beta males because both sides listened to each other and there was a sense of understanding and respect from both sides throughout, even when they disagreed. Basically they managed to have a successful conversation.
Not everything deserves a debate. No one should debate whether blacks should have rights it should just be universally accepted. Listening to the other side is a weak centrist point of view. Grow a pair pick a side
I agree. It's because they're all men
@@56BBSyou chose a fairly obvious point. what about when it’s more complex? people like you who randomly pick sides without knowing what you’re getting into is what is wrong🤣
@@56BBSI agree with you that it shouldn't be needed to make a debate about black people's rights because it should be universally accepted, but unfortunately it isn't accepted by the Karens and Kevins of the USA, so unfortunately it is needed!
‘Capitalists’ just talked over them and every time the other side tried to elaborate a point they would cut them off and change topics. Very disingenuous.
Eddie seemed to carry his side of the debate. Would’ve loved to see more engagement between him and the other side because that seemed to be the only informative parts of the video.
The midwestern Marx channel is gonna have a formal debate between Eddie and Hannah I think, that’d be cool
Enjoyed this conversation more than most on this channel because the participants actually seemed interested in an exchange of ideas.
I thought it was crazy she was trying to define terms so they could all agree on the terms that were being debated, and Molombo just squashed that part of the conversation and talked over her.
i hated the way he wouldn't let her speak, he literally talked more than anyone in this video
That's because Hannah's "definition of terms" were obviously incorrect for anyone with even a modicum of understanding of political theory. Not to mention the fact that she regularly backtracked / contradicted her own statements constantly.
She was falsely defining socialism by using a dictionary definition instead of the actual meaning of the word.
@@uslph.the dictionary lol
@@wintermint77I don’t believe you’ve done you due diligence to understand actual capitalism
They picked the wrong people to have this discussion.
True. But it’s hard to find an intelligent communist.
@@davidthompson184 Both sides aren't intelligent in this video
@@Sparkl1ngwater989 Not true AT ALL..... you either didnt watch the video OR you were not smart enough to understand what was said.
The Capitalist were giving nothing but facts, stats, and history.... along with the difference between a government vs an economic system. And the fact this 3 communist couldnt understand this, only speaks to their level of ignorance.
@@Sparkl1ngwater989 I agree.
@@davidthompson184not true at all. There are actually really well learned smart people that advocate for communism. Just because it hasn't been implemented correctly because we suck as humans and always want more for some reason, I'm guilty too. But the actual logical argument in my very limited knowledge leans towards sharing of wealth for EVERYONE not just "them"
"Hey, Tai Lopez here in my garage to talk to you about communism. But you know what I like more than communism? KNOWLEDGE."
I talk about capitalism in my brand new LAMBORGHINI
On the Healthcare/Medicare thing, it's not free/welfare. You work and taxes come out of your check for it. The government doesn't give that out of thin air to help the elderly. The government is profiting of the Medicare tax. There is more people paying the tax than the government is spending on services
Molombo was the most EMOTIONAL panelist and used every tactic to avoid questions he didn't like or didn't want his people to answer. Jubilee staff should have picked a more articulate representative of that position. No one learned anything. No middle ground. Just emotions from Molombo.
One of the skills you should learn in debating is understanding which questions you should answer in order to continue a benefitial debate. Not every question is to be answered.
That advice makes you look weak & deceiving @Diplomataizi
At least I wasn't the only one who noticed
Molombo was so rude and talked down to the other people during the entire video. It was so obnoxious hearing him say “that’s a trap, I’m not answering that haha!”, but 20 minutes beforehand basically laughed at someone when they fell into HIS verbal trap
Not to mention him and the girl aren't even American. They're American on paper. Makes no sense I'll come somewhere and enjoy the system but still want to be against it 🙄
Molombo: Don't interrupt Bunny!
Also Molombo: interrupts Hannah every ten seconds
Molombo is definitely the type of guy who pretends to be calm cool and collected and then goes home and screams at his GF
@@Aaron-kj8dvthis is not cool.I love my wife
I can’t stand that guy! He acts like a know it all and is just plain passive aggressive, and I get the impression that he’s more disgruntled with the social status quo more so than capitalism itself..
@@Molomboshut up 😂
molombo shutting everyone down when he knew ge was wrong is so annoying
seriously, and he did it EVERY TIME they had an argument and he would just smile and try to play it off... why come to debate if you're afraid of hearing arguments?
He couldn't explain his points so he just shut people down or handed the baton over for someone else to talk
Molombo: I would love for you to let me finish my point Hannah. You're not the only person in the room
Molombo when capitalists make points: AFFECTING WHAT. WHERE'S THE FACTS. SHOW ME THE FACTS
its crazy how they say that America is not a capitalist country
It barely is, it used to be, but federal government has essentially removed this idea through tax enforced by violence
@@SOULSEEKERBEATSwrong. The means of production in america are privately owned. That is the definition of capitalism.
@@SOULSEEKERBEATSAmerica is extremely capitalist and is only getting more capitalist. Workers in the US have to earn a living by offering their labour to wealthier people (wage labour) which is pretty much the definition of capitalism
@@lastnamefirstname2390 No, capitalism is free trade, when government chooses what can be traded and what cannot it's not a capitalist country
@@bitmelody2616 In a truly capitalist society, you wouldn't use an inflationary currency, you can trade with whatever you please with no restriction and middleman, there's nothing capitalist about what you describe
Molombo had no idea what capitalism is and could not even define communism 😂
He defined capitalism perfectly. Most people are simply too ignorant to know what these words mean.
@@lastnamefirstname2390 he didn't. It's simply freedom to trade and own property. Anyone being against capitalism is psychopath by defination.
plus he is either misinformed about china or just lies. African haven't gotten richer since china went there.
No your Karen queen doesn't know what capitalism is and tried to change the definition to fit her narrative of "amerikkka isn't capitalistic"
He literally defined the actual definition😂 selective hearing is a fallacy
One of the best quotes I ever heard was. “The system isn’t the issue. Those running the system are.”
The problem America has isn’t the American dream.
It’s that “We the people” have given up our power and freedom to the elite.
Thus…. Giving up the American dream.
I like how Molombo like to butter you up before silencing you the moment he hears something he doesn’t want to hear. And uses all of his “disadvantages” to his advantage to be able to talk as much as he wants lol
Cam just interrupts you and Hannah as well
Omggggg I am saying !!!! I was listening to him and I was like oh lord here we go smh
He just didn't want to explain that several African countries have low economies and HDI. Despite being capitalist and democracies.
@@rodrozil6544there’s not a single African country with democracy. Maybe in the north
@@gonzalomcampos recheck from various sources. Use the internet.
Molombo was so condescending and tried to play it off by faking being nice. So annoying!!
yesss i’m only 7 minutes in and his whining is very annoying 😭
He was awfulll
He seems like a narcissist
He's barely had any real arguments throughout the whole video. All he's doing is stopping the conversation midway through and changing the subject.
@@20Justin1 exactly
You guys should do one between anarchists and communists, I want to see those two ideologies clash.
You won't find Marxist-Leninists debating on playgrounds
They would ultimately both be subject to dictatorship or be conquered by a neighbor
too vague and similar
Most anarchists align with communism anyways a better discussion would be state communism vs non state communism
@@jimjam2534I think they just meant anarchists vs Marxist leninists
i consider myself to be a socialist and the lady in blue top is by far my favorite, she highlighted the problems with current implementation of capitalism and accepted that it's not being done correctly. i would like to know how socialism or capitalism can prevent these issues.
I wish they would do multiples of these conversations. There are so many important points that I am wishing and hoping someone will say and they just don’t get brought up. It’s very frustrating
The embargo isn't affecting us in Cuba? They are ignorant. For these types of topics, Jubilee needs to bring in people who are ACTUALLY educated on these subjects.
Multiple studies have concluded that the embargo had the opposite effect and the reactionary actions of cubas allies strengthened its economy more than what it would’ve been without the embargo at all.
@@evanw7878 Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe to make carbonara
To say Cuba had no doctors before communist is to ignore the fact that Cuba had the most doctors per capital in the world in the 1940s before communism took over. Even more than Europe and the USA. Let that sink in. These people are so ignorant.
cauliflower was educated, the others weren't
Bunny’s takes were irrelevant and frankly insane. Her personal / family experiences of communism on China are so completely out of touch and non-applicable as she is so clearly very privileged from the economic success that capitalism has brought her family. Hard to watch someone with so little understanding of history debate from such a narrow view.
Yep
she doesn’t understand that 99% of people in china never have a chance to leave.
Bunny much smarter than u loaer
At 26:36 she started to argue women would definitely not want to live in America over china then realized she is currently living in America instead of china where she was born
@Dastardly1 weird she would want to go to school in America when she mentioned how much better and affordable the Chinese schools are. I’m sure she’ll like the 996 work schedule when she does go back tho
“I’m a communist but I’ve never experienced it”
No one has. Full on communism has never been achieved.
maybe because true communism had never been archived?
@@cinemarxist_and will never be achieved
@@Joel86543 not with that attitude it won't
@@nicoly075 "That wasn't true communism!!!!"
Molombo was aggressive and annoying and wouldn’t let anyone finish their points but simultaneously he had no coherent points to make himself
average kfc american
Not to mention the bot comments Molombo has paid for that you've replied to, you didn't even reply to a third of the ones I'd seen.
@@vro1313Ah yes, the person complaining that someone questioned whether his fave Hannah was racist or not, is in fact a racist.
"KFC American"? Really? Your country and its culture is extremely embarrassing.
@@vro1313cumskin
@vro1313 could you at least attempt to hide the keyboard racism
Aint no way they think china is investing in Africa because they want to help them
This is the problem with American communists. Everything is an unrealistic utopia dream. China's goals in Africa are the same as the U.S.
Nope absolutely not, Africa is great real estate, amazing labor prices and also mines full of jewels and raw materials
@kanamenoname210 many mines for China to set up slaves and child workers
I mean it's OK to be skeptical of major countries in Africa because of the major power imbalance between African countries and china.,but you have to agree that the Chinese have not couped/assassinated any leaders and replaced them with a puppet leader to let them do what ever they want.they propose a deal,they African country says no,they say OK and leave.
I didn’t feel like that’s what he was saying though. I think he was saying Americans take what they want and the Chinese negotiate what they want. Pretty sure both are taking advantage of Africa though.
the girl that s a comunist and does content doesn’t realize that if she lived in a comunist country she wouldn’t be allowed not to work unde the pretext that she does “content”. Some people have some serious cognitive dissonance , and it is upsetting to see them try and preach certain agendas and ideologies that they certainly don’t fully understand
@Dastardly1 Americans don't like acknowledging anything outside what corporate media and facebook memes tell them
19:29 this is the 3rd time the black dude white knight for the asian girl. She wont date you, bro.
Lol
That's just a logical thing to do, if we talk about feminism, maybe she should have the first word? Just as if we are talking about mens rights we should let men speak first
So you're a psychic?
I’m not a capitalist but Hannah was based sometimes tbh. Like how she was against paying so much for war out of our taxes and being against corporate welfare
Thanks! I think progressives and libertarians have a lot of overlap on civil liberties and foreign policy. And in my experience, when we can really dig into the problems in the US (I don't think we got to here) I think most will find big gov and spending are our core problems, not capitalism.
Corporate welfare is an inevitability in capitalism. The people that own the most land, and have the biggest businesses will always hold the most power in a capitalist society.
I agree. The way she said she's against the over policing and prison system. She just needs a little help and she'll become a communist
communism is NOT when the government does stuff, just saying
@@jawsh6044 hahaha. All she is less government! That’s the opposite of communism!
As a Cuban, lived in Cuba my whole life. And it gets me so upset just hearing them talk like if Communism was the best thing, that’s why we Hispanics say that some Americans were just born with no brain to think what they talk about and have never lived.
Forgive them. Majority of them just want the government to breastfeed them and they just hate rich people.
I’m not Cuban so plz correct me.
But from my knowledge a large part to why Cuba is like this, is due to US embargo’s, then being an island nation, mass amounts of “middle”-“upper” class ppl leaving the country after the revolution & current policies (which I admit I’m not well versed on)
2/4 maybe even 3/4 of those things aren’t in their control as a nation. Especially being an island nation with heavy sanctions is borderline Impossible.
My country, the uk. Is relatively suffering due to brexit and how that’s fucked up trading. Making a cost of living crisis.
Also I wouldn’t say they love communism, it’s obviously flawed. I would say they just think it’s much better, in its “truest form” than capitalism
@Dastardly1 You are not cuban, not even in a million years.
@Dastardly1 As a Cuban, I'm curious to know what those "impressive" achievements are that you say the government has achieved. Apart from starving the people. People without clothes and without shoes, without access to medicines or medical attention. With their houses falling apart because there are no materials or money to fix them. The city of Havana looks like a bombed city and it is thanks to more than 60 years of deteriorated buildings that are half collapsing because they are not been fixed in all that time. Hospitals without medicines and without any hygiene because they don't even have detergent to clean the floors, and also full of flies. A country where people do not even have soap to bathe, hot water and gas to heat the non-existent food or something as simple as toilet paper. Where are the "impressive" achievements?
I cant believe someone argues for communism
I want to see Hannah and Eddie in a formal debate. This was great
yess
Would love that! I wanted to get more in depth on Hannah’s ideology vs my own. We can host something like that on the Midwestern Marx RUclips if people are interested.
@@MidwesternMarxhell yeah
@@MidwesternMarxso happy to see you here
@@MidwesternMarx I'd be down!
Someone who makes 'content' wants to be paid the same as a software engineer. It's not communism, it's just veiled entitlement.
not at all, its just that she wants to have support for her job like the software engineer does i think, things like a retirement axcount blah blah
But she does not actually provide value to society
@@mortalakira Communism would be a terrible economic system for content creators and other creative arts lmao, the only reason she get's paid as an entertainer is because of supply and demand eg: Capitalism
@@dylanthygamer1593exactly
I wanted to stop the video the second she said this. Lol
Did Molombo literally buy comments to praise him😂😂
Just scrolled through the comment section and saw like 10 comments from accounts with very strange usernames praising Molombo‘s intellect in very weirdly written english in a row.
All of them with zero likes and some even word for word the same, but from different accounts.
Lol that‘s hilarious.
you can also find bot comments against Hannah that call her negative and racist😂
@@vro1313 Can you type out an example of what you'd seen? Only thing I'd seen was someone being called racist for saying one of the comments was from a bot, and Molombo himself calling Hannah a "white capitalist".
@@lincolnpervertproject1776 from what I remember it was somewhat like "trying to figure why Hannah was so negative" or why she "could be" racist
He's the only one with half a brain.
This guy works be narcissistic poison to deal with