Hey fun fact! A user on Twitter pointed out that the rug under Bonnie isn't just a standard rug, its a 80's arcade flooring patterned carpet, and no rea of the Pizzaplex has that carpet except for the entrance to Gator Golf. (Its hard to make out because it is drenched in oil and soot, but you can see the patter on the small patch of carpet beneath Bonnie)
I did some digging myself ( I actually bought SB again for PC and installed debug menu) I found something really neat. So Bonnie is on a carpet, right? But it's perfectly rectangular. Well, I was looking at the floor of the East Arcade. Not only does it have the same design as the one Bonnie is found on. It is also noticeable that this carpet is in rectangular cuts on the floor in one section. Which makes much more sense for an animatronic to take advantage of precut carpet. Considering Bonnie was in this area for about an hour. Which is plausible time to rip up a segment of carpet. Are we sure Monty is the one we should be concerned about? (Also, I checked Gator Golf for any rectangular cuts or sections like what I saw before. Nothing)
I suspect Freddy knows who did it and programming prevents him from confronting the culprit. Imagine what that would do to your psychology. It could turn you into a monster seeing all the advertisements of your friend paraded around like a gross zombie, or cause you to do something heroic, something impossible, like refusing an order to end a child Anda system reset that would allow it.
@@treena9930 I saw a post about this on Twitter, but the carpet Bonnie is laying on specifically matches the carpet pattern in Monty Golf, not the East Arcade....
Another thing I wanted to point out is that Bonnie was also close with Chica, as she also has a bowling ball in her room like Freddy does. So it almost seems like they knew that they have been around almost since the beginning (I say almost because Chica was added later alongside Foxy) but Roxanne and Monty don't have bowling balls in there rooms as they are the "new guys" and didn't have the relationship that the other two had with Bonnie. Nice little detail that not many people notice.
Monty often visits the catwalks and that was the place Bonnie used to hang around for. Roxy is more likely because her claws into the greed marks better than Monty's purple claws.
Important note: There's a common misconception that Monty did not have claws before his bass upgrade. This is untrue, as we see that the endos have claws and non-bassists like Freddy too have them. Monty just didn't have claws made specifically to play the bass. And that's not even going into discussing the fact that Monty's upgrades were initially his legs. XD
i think the only question now would be if the pre-bassist claws were enough to do that much damage, which is already answered by shattered freddy’s design when he was meant to be destroyed by his bandmates. only speculation left would be if it was monty or the mimic. monty didn’t want to perform on stage, which wouldn’t make sense for why he’d destroy bonnie. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In this video they explain that the majority of the damage done to Glam Bonnie was identical to having fallen off the catwalks above Gater Golf, perhaps initially being "clawed" over the rail during a heated exchange? As to Motivation, its was perhaps less with wanting to be on stage and more about getting close to Freddy/ jealous of the ~-ship between Freddy and Bonnie.@@vamp_hater
I read a hilarious theory that Chica did it because Bonnie wouldn't let her have Monty Mystery Mix. Like she is addicted to it, and it made her act crazy. The Mystery Mix is literally green slime which could be what is actually smudged on Bonnie's torso. If any animatronic can pull apart another one then I can't rule out Chica or say she couldn't destroy Bonnie "just becuz". So that is my new theory. Chica did it.
@@belltowercollective7821 definitely possible, granted it’s not likely anything will ever make sense or we’ll even remotely get an answer since Steel Wool is (seemingly) already brushing off the whole glamrock bonnie thing with him being finally powered off. all that matters at the end of the day is that steel wool gave us gay representation with a dead bunny and a bear who lost his body🙏
Yeah not to mention how he doesnt even use the hands to PLAY THE BASS. he literally just slaps his guitar. i feel like if they did a strong hands upgrade they couldve had them pull up sliding doors that were closed or partially closed, like el chips door. the hand upgrade is so dumb. (plus imagine freddy with montys legs. Thatd be amazing.)
To some extent, I feel like the Glamrock Bonnie room could also be a reference to William being Springlocked. Locked away in a sealed room, 4 Floorbots (which have weird child laughter/screaming ambiance around them in AR) that once they are turned off/pass on, Bonnie passes on. Almost an allegory for William
I’m leaning more toward the theory that Bonnie getting damaged beyond repair was an accident, and Monty tried to hide it out of panic. I don’t see a reason why Monty would deliberately decommission Bonnie as bad as we see him. I think it’s possible Bonnie met Monty on the catwalk in Monty Golf to talk, then they got into an argument about something. Monty could’ve then tried to push him a little out of anger, but he accidentally used his claws to scratch his chest, which made Bonnie fall over the edge of the catwalk. Monty then goes down to try to help him, but he sees that Bonnie got damaged so severely that he isn’t going to get up. So he tries to hide Bonnie’s body so he doesn’t get blamed for it. That makes more sense to me. Because if he purposely decommissioned Bonnie, then why did he do it when Bonnie just randomly showed up in Monty Golf one day? I could see it if we got a report of Monty entering Bonnie Bowl, because then we’d know Monty specifically went to where Bonnie was, but unless Vanny was the cause of all this, Monty had no clue Bonnie would be in Monty Golf.
I honestly agree, especially because I was watching another theory vid on Bonnie, and they pointed out that Monty didn't even get his claws to play bass until Bonnie was already gone.(Edit: Specifically from the messages from security breach from the duffle bags)
I mean, he could've had a previous reason to want to get rid of Bonnie, and when Bonnie showed up to Monty Golf for whatever reason, he saw an opportunity and took it.
@@yustinj.3910 That’s fair, but this doesn’t seem like it was planned. I doubt Monty thought of pushing him off the catwalk and then hiding Bonnie in his room when he saw Bonnie come into Monty Golf. The fact that Bonnie was presumably pushed off the catwalk in the first place tells that he willingly went up there with Monty before he fell, unless Vanny took control of him or something. It’s hard to tell as we don’t have a lot of information.
@@theitalianmexican1035 He wouldnt even have of needed to scratch him if he was gonna push him out of the catwalks anyways For someone who was at the very least self aware enought to not let him ob monty golf cause he knew that they would blame it on him and tried to make it look like an accident he probably would too not try to get such a big clue on Bonnie's body
I was also thinking that the claw marks could've been him trying to catch Bonnie instead, reaching out and trying to grab him but just missing and ripping a hole in his chest
A part of me is disappointed that we might never get full story for Bonnie (even with a potential second DLC, his arc seems over as the player is allowed to let him move on), but you’re right, the story told with these clues is pretty beautiful, so I’m happy with what Ruin gave us anyway even though we won’t get see him in action. What’s makes this more tragic is that Freddy himself will never know where Bonnie went and is just going to be permanently left wondering. I wonder, if there’s more FNAF games after this, if they’ll bring back Bonnie(+Foxy) or carry on the series with these new four.
I mean the main four always stand a big (and only) example is sister location since we got new animatronics such as baby and balora but they never replaced the ogs
I think is going to be opposite, first of all, this is five night at Freddy's and so far we've only spent two nights (Cassie and Gregory) plus we haven't seen how was the Pizzaplex in the beginning, we haven't seen the meeting of the staff (which i bet that was a gruesome one) and we still don't know where's Foxy (except for its eyes since Roxxane had them)
Bonnie deserved better, and after Ruin I’m starting to find a lot more appreciation for all the environmental storytelling and context clues they laid out. Suddenly base Security Breach feels a little bit more lively, and not just an empty shell of a game that never was. What Steelwool did leave in the game for people to look at and pick up on, it’s great stuff, and I love how much they leaned into this with Ruin. Bonnie’s story is a sad one, but one that I liked for the way in which it was told. It makes me want to see more stuff like this from Steelwool in the future. RIP to this franchise’s best rabbit.
I have to wonder if the remnant of lost souls kept Bonnie alive for so long. The constant horrific cries and screams of children echoing through the wet floor bots. Just bone chilling.
That seems unlikely to me considering how Golden Freddy works. We're not even sure if the suit exists anymore, but we do know its probably busted beyond repair. Yet it is still seriously haunted despite being broken. So if it was powered by remnant, the Glamrock Bonnie would be doing similar spooky stuff like appearing out of nowhere and being generally vengeful. And I doubt it would be pacified by turning off signs. Then again that would be a very cool design. Floating limbs, dangling lower half, glowing eyes, crooked jaw. I'd pay to see a Golden Freddy style Glamrock Bonnie. But I'm guessing too many rabbits already, considering we have Vanny, Burntrap, and the security system.
Who even knows how remnant works anymore? It’s essentially midichlorians or lending Goku your energy. It can be whatever the writers need it to be to get the plot moving.
Someone on tumblr actually did some research and found that common symptoms of having witnessed some sort of traumatic event are eating disorders, shattered self-esteem, and uncharacteristic aggression. So I'm thinking that not all the problems in the Glamrocks personalities and behavior were caused by Glitchtrap/the Mimic1 virus, and more from the sudden loss of Bonnie. Chica has the eating disorder, Roxy is now having self-esteem problems, and Monty's suddenly gone from chill to destroying his green room. But then what about Freddy? Well, this person (not disclosing a username for privacy reasons) said that he got chronic optimism. He's gone through what he thinks is the worst thing he possibly could and it can only go up from there. The issue is that noone thought to give the animatronics support, or even healthy ways to cope with the loss. This is the second time I've seen the sentient robots be treated exclusively as property and now I'm getting upset since this time it cost more than someone's internal organs. When it comes to what happened to Bonnie, I was sold on the Mimic theory (Monty found the body to link him to it) until I thought about the mockingbird of a robot having been down there for a long time. Now my theory is that Monty did it while he wasn't in control of himself. I'd like to think they were friends and Bonnie was like the negotiator between him and Freddy. But some time before Security Breach, something else was controlling Monty and killed Bonnie that night. Noone was able to find him, and Monty didn't remember anything (hence why he still has the uncharacteristic aggression from grief mentioned before). Someone who was his friend went missing and nobody knows what happened. Maybe he notices some clues to what happened and even starts questioning himself. Monty could have been driving himself deeper and deeper as he goes mad from both grief and (eventually) guilt. That, or (as you mentioned in both the Monty and Glamrock Bonnie videos) Bonnie for some reason asked him to do it. Maybe it was just to get out of one single show by staging an accident falling off the catwalks gone wrong, and now Bonnie's a (digital) ghost in the machine after Monty had to hide what he did to save himself, hence why Monty becoming bassist in the dark ride is a voluntary passing of the torch. He wanted Monty to take over once, but now he's stuck doing it forever. And yes, tumblr also went insane over the possibility that Freddy and Bonnie were gay for each other. It's kinda cool seeing tumblr embrace it while a lot of other people immediately shun people who even imply it (yes I totally ship these two and I'm not afraid to say it, I'm writing a slice of life AU and even if it's not canon to FNaF lore it's canon there just for nostalgia reasons since I was around for the boom of it).
I had the thought of Monty feeling guilt, like he won't show up for performances, instead hangs around the catwalks, even tho he's meant to want the spotlight, but I never put it together as amazingly as they all feel trauma from the event! Sadly, I don't expect them to ever make a romantic relationship between them cannon but it does feel rather gay.
The mind-wipe idea could also explain why Monty is so focussed on the catwalks. He's trying to piece together what happened. I can't imagine an 8-foot robotic bunny falling from the catwalks would leave no environmental damage, so Monty constantly being up there (even after falling from them himself) would make sense
I still think its hilarious that Bonnie was in an area where employees clearly worked during the day and he went missing while the pizzaplex was still open. So they really just left him there forever and in the entire time that the pizzaplex was still open, nobody ever bothered to scrap him to clean the place up or something.
Technically the back of the alleys is all mechanized so employees would rarely have to go back there because of all the machines resetting the alleys and returning the balls.
If Markiplier’s theory about Glamrock Bonnie and the bowling ball is actually canon, then it will become the biggest FNAF conspiracy of the century mostly by MatPat.
For people thinking Vanny made Monty destroy Bonnie: with "Bonnie's parts were recycled for Burntrap" theory being disproven, Vanny had no possible motivation to decommission Bonnie. If he was getting in her way, she would just hack Bonnie and have a bodyguard in the area where she resides.
Vanny's motivation could have been that Bonnie had discovered that she was murdering children (to take their remnant for burntrap). This is mostly speculative, but the association of Bonnie with the wet floor signs and the sounds of screaming children is a notable piece of evidence which could point to it.
I always saw it as Afton pitching a fit to have his fursona continue being a rabbit- so that's why Bonnie was targeted. But it would be advantageous to Vanny if Bonnie was there. To explain away any rabbit ear sightings on camera. (It's confirmed in the tapes the thing that blurs her out on cams doesn't completely obscure the ears.) So now, I think Monty got territorial, killed him on accident, hid him- after Vanessa just happened to steal the extra Bonnie "casings" for Peepaw. And instead of making more, /that/ was the last straw for Fazbear Entertainment- so they got lazy and made Monty the bassist. Sorry this turned into an essay.
@@pilloeglade5463well monty didn't have claws at the time of Bonnie's death, and we can see huge gashed down the chest of bonnie, monty also started raging out after bonnie was gone, I think he didn't kill him
Something else that might be interesting to note: the fabric we find Bonnie on is actually a rectangle of carpet, the pattern of which can ONLY be found in a few places. Two of them - the hallway to Rockstar Row and the DJ/Fazcade area - aren’t important here. But lastly - and most notably - it’s also the carpet pattern we see throughout Monty Golf. The fact that it’s carpet from Monty’s attraction that was used to (mostly likely) drag Bonnie back behind the bowling lanes is yet another very telling piece of evidence to add to the list!
Yup... And the Cutout of "Falling Bonnie" is hidden inside Monty Golf, after the Log Ride portion... Kinda "floating" above the map on a pipe or something. Bonnie Definetly Fell in Monty Golf... Who actually Did it, is still to be seen.
@kaillah There are three color possibilities for the spiral confetti carpet, as well as three sizes we see around the 'Plex. (I took may too many screenshots and did way too many image comparisons when looking into this originally lol. I can't even tell you how long I spent documenting Fazbear Carpet Design Differentiations en mass. There are too many carpet variants in this building, I swear! xD) Like you said, there's a blue one like we see in Monty Golf. Blue base, blue and green spirals, white and pink confetti. There's a red one we see in some connecting hallways between attractions: red base, red and gold spirals, red and pink confetti. Then there's the gray/green one we see in Bonnie Bowl. Teal-gray base, green and white ribbons, blue and white confetti. But the other thing to note is that these also show up in different sizes. The carpet can't be from Bonnie Bowl, for a few reasons. Most notably is that it's mid-range in size. Even if the color was meant to be the green carpet, the size of the version we see in the arcade is absolutely tiny. It's the smallest of the three size varients and doesn't match. And even if we factor in the blue spiral confetti carpet by the elevator (which I still believe the color to be), that version has massive spirals that don't match in scale. Big pattern ≠ Bonnie carpet. The carpet Bonnie is lying on is too light to match the clean version of the (richer) blue carpet we see in SB, true, but like you said - color fades. And it's too blue-tinged and too dark to match the grey and green carpet we see in the Alley arcade. The carpet he's lying on is a faded blue with green and white and blue details. (Both the gray carpet and the blue carpet have green and white details, true...but I'm more inclined to believe it's in the bluer of the two camps.) And if you're skeptical in relation to the other colors on the blue carpet - the pink more notably - I have screenshots of that same carpet in different areas where it looks slightly different depending on the lighting. When you step into Monty Golf, the carpet on the ground gets bathed in green from the environment in that area. The pink blends to white and the blue of the spirals half-fades into the background. The green part of the spirals pop. It's the same blue carpet - by moving to a different part of the room of having Freddy shine a light on it, it's easy to see - but certain colors are less distinct because of the lighting. In some areas, that same carpet looks purple until you look at it from a different direction. The room we find Bonnie in has low yellow lighting, the carpet is faded and dusty (gray dust, mind you), and we only have a flashlight. The colors on an old once-vibrant rug aren't going to be vibrant anymore. (Similarly, that gray pattern is a more basic gray in Bonnie Bowl's arcade and appears slightly green from a distance, but when you go up to the Superstar-cade it sometimes looks straight-up green. Green, green, and more green. TOXIC green in some areas lol. It's kind of crazy how much lighting can affect the color of a texture.) And hey, maybe I'm wrong. But I've been pretty meticulous in my research and I'm pretty damn confident in what I've found. The first time I heard this little tidbit from a random RUclips comment somewhere else on this site, I was a bit skeptal myself - so I did the research. I wasn't about to take someone's stray claim at face value. I opened my 6am Security Breach save and went back over my Bonnie stream footage from Ruin and I made sure it wasn't just some random on the internet making some unfounded declaration. I like proof and I like details. So I went out and found it. And if someone rips open Ruin and compares texture files and it turns out I made a mistake, then hey, I'll accept that. But for now I'm sticking to my guns. (I spent too many hours on this not to lol.)
I think Monty and Bonnie had a relationship similar to Shifu and Tai Lung. Bonnie took the croc on as an apprentice, a son even, and, felt that Monty would be too violent, and a bad influence on the kids. Seeing as Monty is impulsive, about as narcasistic as Roxy, but with the self confidence to be a really bad bully. And so, Bonnie, tried teaching Monty to be the best he could be, but, when it came for Bonnie to retire, probably from losing profits for the Pizzaplex, he refused to give Monty the spotlight. And, you can fill the rest in from there.
Actually I think Bonnie was brought to Bonnie bowl by people. The first messages say he was missing, but the one saying that Monty would replace him don't say he's still missing, they refer to him as "out of commission." Fazbear staff found him in Monty Golf before opening and had to move him quickly, and Fazbear Entertainment didn't think it was worth it to take him down to parts and services and properly repair his endo or his casing. So they left him there.
@@TimeMasterOGin Ruin, you will find a piece of Bonnie merchandise labelled "Dad never told me what happened to Bonnie", implying he (Cassie's dad) knows what happened to him.
I think Fazbear Entertainment saw missing kids and when the Rabbit went down it was a happy accident from their pov. Bad PR. Freddy would be next. Get away from the ones that caused a bad taste to begin with. Roxy and Chica are already different characters at this point.
@@Hex.A.Decimal "Get away from the ones that caused a bad taste to begin with" you could very well be on to something with this line, especially seeing how quick fazbear entertainment was to replace freddy with monty in one of the sb endings.
I’m a little sad that they didn’t use his Bowling design. I actually had a head cannon that when Bonnie was around, the Pizzaplex was going to be 50s themed, but around Monty’s addition they went with the 80s look. Edit: I do like his headband it’s stylish
I liked to think maybe he was just the only member of the band that was just wearing casual clothes, kinda fits the bassist theme lol. What he was wearing wasn’t really 50s themed either. If they were a 50s band the male characters would have been in suits with ties while the females would have had dresses of some kind.
Looking back I think the bowling design might of been meant to be classic bonnie the whole time. Faz ent probably changed the theme after he was scrapped. Its shown they still use the classics with the foxy statue in the kids cove sub lobby.
i once criticized bonnie for not looking bowling themed enough, and then you realize the other glamrocks don't look like their sport either. freddy doesn't look like a futuristic space warrior, chica doesn't *really* look like an exercise trainer, roxy doesn't look like a racer, and monty doesn't look like a golfer either.
I dont think Monty meant to kill Bonnie, since a common sign of a kill done through an emotional moment, is keeping the dead person's body on or wrapped in a blanket. It can be a sign of remorse, trying to compensate for what they've done. The most likely scenario was Monty meeting Bonnie to talk about replacing Freddy in the band, angering Bonnie, causing an argument that led to Bonnie being struck off the catwalks. Monty most likely wrapped Bonnie in a nearby fire blanket as he took him back to Bonnie Bowl, to not have to see his idol destroyed. Monty later on shattered the bowling ball, likely after trying to give Bonnie something he loved, but he destroyed it in a remorseful rage, soon leaving to not have to see him. It makes more sense with Monty's rage towards Freddy, shown in the concert stage of his game where Freddy is thrown in the dumpster and how Monty looked up to Bonnie, shown by Freddy being in the dark when Monty sees Bonnie and the others playing in the cutouts. Monty being an emotionally driven robot, blames Freddy for what happened to Bonnie and seeks to replace him in a delusional idea of revenge. I get Monty's voice actor claimed Monty has a yandere relationship with Freddy, but he's not the writers behind the story, plus he had to read his lines in a warehouse, meaning he wasn't respected.
it most definitely could have been a yandere relationship at first. i feel like with Freddy being a prototype vanny talked a lot about Freddy being replaced due to his programming being faulty (which is why he wasn't effected by the mimic virus). As you know she already mentioned this before in SB saying monty would replace him.. this may have caused the whole talk about monty coming to Bonnie about Freddy being replaced and then them fighting on the catwalks. after the fight monty became corrupted and now blames Freddy for being the initial cause of his problems. tldr: vanny hyped monty up with replacing freddy and monty goes back to tell bonnie out of excitement for getting closer to one of his idols. this causes a fight to break out on the catwalks and bonnie gets decommissioned, the end
@@amajeee Exactly and it makes the most sense with the environmental storytelling. Plus Monty is programmed to follow his story shown in Monty Gulf, so without Bonnie being there to be a goal for Monty to be like, it leaves Monty without a motivation, outside being the best music player.
Considering that Toy Bonnie(Who has the same color as Glamrock Bonnie) in fnaf AR says lines that call himself a "Superstar", I find it possible that Glamrock Bonnie would also call people Superstars and maybe thats how Freddy learned it.
Honestly, I think that Monty really did idolize Bonnie, it’s supposedly a core part of his personality in marketing, something they’d code into him the same way that Roxy is obsessed with her appearance or Chica is obsessed with eating. If anyone’s to blame, I think it has to be Vanny, if anything Monty’s aggression is because of what happened, not the other way around. He was programmed to idolize someone, his personality quite literally revolves around it, and now he’s the one responsible for destroying him. That’s why he becomes so animalistic that he can’t even utter a single word, not only was his body ruined, his mind was completely and utterly shattered, if he wasn’t a program I’d call it a spiral into madness, but even so it’s so incredibly tragic
Yeah I’ve considered this too. The Neon Bonnie sign killing Monty *could*, probably is, supposed to be poetic justice, I also figured that it could represent his obsession with Bonnie consuming him.
It seems as though they're personalities are taken to the extreme. When you look at it. Chica is obsessed with food to the point where she comes off as having an eating disorder, Roxy comes off as depressed for her need to be the best. If Monty was programmed to idolize Bonnie and Freddy based of what the VA said too, its possible that he started acting live a violently obsessed fan to the point of commiting robot murder on at least one (or both if the golf win screen is anything to go by) eventually
I think I should mention, that’s not Bonnie’s green room. That’s just where they are storing the stuff from the green room when they made it into Monty’s. The part of the room you didn’t show reveals it opens into the ball return and pin setters behind the lanes.
However, Bonnie did have a dedicated stage down there, and the positioning of the poster right over the vent doesn’t seem like something a common employee would randomly do. Yes, Bonnie most likely did have Monty’s green room before he was broken, but based on his stage in the Bowling alley, he mist have spent plenty of time there performing on his own. Maybe that was like a mini green room down there, a smaller space for him to unwind a little. If I remember right, there is a charging station in the hall leading to that room, just like the ones in the storage rooms behind the main green rooms. The space below the bowling alley certainly doesn’t look big or decorated enough to be a full on green room, but I think it could still be a space dedicated for him. One that was out of sight of customers and didn’t need to be cleaned up when they replaced him with Monty.
Freddy and Bonnie having the strongest bond also makes sense with Fred bear and Spring Bonnie being the first mascots made in universe Editing this now to say that they're gay and homophobes can die mad
One could argue the three costumes in the Mimic's room came before them, but those don't count, since they're not animatronics, while FredBear and SpringBonnie are springlock suits, so half the thing
@@blazephoenix5849 Some FNAF AR emails said stuff about how "ness" has rainbow hair. This immediately got fans hyped and then one thing let to another and with the "Vanny and Vanessa being the same person" thing still not being confirmed and had some counter evidence against it (such as the rainbow hair and the funko statue of both of them together) , this let people to think that Vanny x Vanessa was gonna be a thing and the similar names bit being a Jeremy situation
Just before you mentioned the catwalks it immediately hit me what you were about to bring up and it blew my mind. Say what you will about the storytelling in this series but Ruin had really incredible bits of environmental clues to fill us in on certain characters, from Fazbear Entertainment's story for Bonnie's disappearance, to the cutouts of Cassie with Roxy and Gregory seemingly comforting Cassie. It's crazy to think that Security Breach really has made the animatronics, well, more like actual characters this time around.
What’s even sadder is the children’s cries you hear around those little bots. Paralyzed, and unable to do anything while watching everyone you care about around you trying to go on with life or going on without a care, it would make anyone cry.
I kinda wish Cassie had a voiceline when finding Bonnie, especially since it's mentioned in collectables that her dad really liked Bonnie and that she was curious about what happened to him.
Thank you for highlighting how humorously convoluted Monty's coverup was, I didn’t even notice the blanket which explains how Bonnie continues to remain behind the bowling alley when his last sighting was on the catwalks and it shows an interesting piece to Monty's personality!
To be honest, Monty was and still is my favorite of the band. And I do wish that since they clearly seem to be trying to go with this route they would be more honest about how the entire event unfolded. Regardless there is some issues that leave me leaning on the edge of fully blaming Monty. I'll address them below. Monty's Claws: Yes Monty would have the exoskeleton and endoskeleton with claws before his upgrade. However, it is highly likely that these claws would be closer in shape and destructive force to Roxy's. (I am aware that Monty's legs are the things that are taken from him but his upgrade diagram clearly shows hands and not feet.) Roxy has been shown to have a level of aggression to her and has taken out plenty of staff bots around her raceway. Even though Roxy is smaller in build than Monty she does nor even in a jealous filled rage cause anywhere near the level of damage to a simple staff bot that is shown on Bonnie. Bonnie is a much larger target than a staff bot. If you take the fact that Monty is closer in size to Freddy then yes you would have a strong amount of force behind an attack, but we have no guide other than Roxy, on how an attack without the improved and notably destructive claws would look from Monty. Monty is the only one in SB capable of busting through metal, chain link fences, which are clearly meant to keep freddy and the gang out of certain areas. If Roxy cannot bust through a metal fence, let alone another other member without these powerful claws then how would Monty be able to deal that kind of raw slashing damage to Bonnie's chest? The shattering and fracturing could be explained by a fall certainly however the pattern of cracking on the exoskeleton is a common trait that is shared among all of the shattered gang. The same sweeping motions and fracture patterns can be found on every single broken glamrock regardless of how they were injured. As for the green paint, metal paint does not leave that kind of residue unless it is wet and Monty nas no recorded repairs to his exoskeleton or a new paint job during the time in which he would have killed Bonnie. It is hard to tell with the overlapping designs what caused the fracture patterns, and while the injuries are similar to Monty's fall from the catwalks. Timing and Body: If they are just covering it up with the ride cut outs.. and they know that Bonnie has went missing why would not check his green room? The place where Bonnie would default to going to when injured other than parts and service. If Bonnie enters gator golf at 4:12 AM that does place him in to after hours, (meaning there would be only night staff or closing staff around) however Ruin has shown that there is a lot of cameras in the pizza plex and all around bonnie's bowl. How does a giant, gator carry a body inside of a blanket, without being seen by that many cameras? By someone, or hell recorded by a staff bot encounter. Monty is not programmed smartly enough to on his own be able to accomplish this feat without being spotted or at the very least he could not have be slinking around without being noticed. One of the only ways Monty could have gotten Bonnie from his golf course to Bonnie Bowl without making a peep would be if Monty somehow knew a back way through the pizza plex. Like Vanny's hidden room which is "surprisingly" right next to Bonnie's Glamroom. Or if Monty was able to somehow be invisible to the cameras like Vanny has shown to be to the glamrock gang (minus Roxy's eyes). There is more I could comment here but I will leave it here for the most part.. I think that Steelwool has casted the blame on Monty in a cruddy "did he do, or did he not" sort of way. I am sad that they have killed my boy in such a way. I believe the fandom will mostly lean towards Monty being the one to blame, even if Steelwool has some gaps and points left out for the sake of "lore". If it doesn't end up being Monty and its like Vanny, and they killed him off (maybe) for no reason that would really suck.. but .. I do like your videos, and I enjoyed this one as well, I just needed to get these points off my chest. Keep up the great videos!
The "Relationship" that was between Freddy and Bonnie is notable since the animatronics are treated like assets and not so much like people (if Vanessa's interactions with Freddy are anything to go off of), so it would stand to reason that the animatronics would want to band together and see kinship in this way. This goes deeper for Freddy and Bonnie since they found a deeper kindship with one another. It may not have been "lovers" as some folks think (they kinda lack the parts to go THAT far), but they certainly shared the closest bond. This would tie into why Monty would actually go after Bonnie since all of Monty's asperations is to be the lead of the band and dethrone Freddy, but to do that, he'd need to also get rid of Bonnie since the two were so close, and it showed since with Bonnie gone, it only would take any little thing for Freddy to be replaced with Monty (again, according to Vanessa).
A very interesting take on what happened to Glamrock Bonnie! And probably one of the most saddest I've ever heard. Since the very beginning of the franchise, there has been always a bear and a rabbit. Freddy's 'I miss him' and potential intimate relationship with Bonnie is so heartwrenching because he's the only Freddy that doesn't have his best right-hand bunny...
I would say there is some merit to Monty accidentally pushing bonnie, Maybe the reason why hes so quick to rage now is because of him feeling guilty about getting mad at bonnie and killing him, that's why he put bonnie back in his green room and staged it, he didn't want to get caught, but also remember that the sewers exist, Monty probably could have just hid him, but Monty wanted him to be found because he felt bad. or he could have accidentally slashed him pushing him off, but he didint fully break, so at bonnie bowl he slams him into the wall that smashes his head with a bowling ball (Note the dent in the wall infront of bonnie. idk but I do feel like that big dent in the wall is important.
except bonnie had to have been killed in bonnie bowl because his sensors still would have picked up him being moved to bonnie bowl anyway (he's still alive when you find him there until you deactivate the random bots around him.) it couldn't have been monty willingly (because of more evidence from the logs and more) so either: he was framed, he did it under the control of something else, or he's just being used as a red herring
@@zeemmy33 I dont think the animatronics have sensors because vannesa is looking for Freddy in security breach and only finds him when moon captures him, so theres probably no sensors.
@@FunWare.mp4 im not sure if all of them have them (sort of like how only roxy has special eyes and only chica has a special voice box), but the log "missing" says," SECURITY REPORT - 12:24AM - Bonnie is seen leaving his green room in Rockstar Row heading East towards the atrium. 2:40AM - Bonnie enters the East Arcade. 4:12AM - Bonnie enters Monty Golf." bonnie's seen leaving his green room, but his actual location isn't seen when he enters the east arcade and enters monty golf, which shows there's some kind of sensor system in place for bonnie (even if there isn't, there's very clearly data on wherever he goes to some capacity.) evidence shows that it was most likely an inside job from fazent, vanny did it, or someone else and monty was framed
Yeah... Perhaps both Monty & Bonnie went over the Catwalk together.... It is mentioned in a few security notes, that Monty had been damaged before by the Giant Bucket (obviously foreshadowing that Gregory needs to do so later)... But it still leaves it open to Who Moved Bonnie's Body.l?
Cassie’s father might have been the one to first discover what truly happened to Glambonnie, and that incident might have driven him to quit his technician job at the Pizzaplex. Most items drive home that Bonnie was the favorite character of Cassie’s father. It would be a pretty cool sendoff for the daughter of Glam Bonnie’s biggest fan to finally set his soul to rest.
I feel it's basically confirmed Monty did it of his own violition, simply because its the Neon Bonnie sign that does him in finally. Fnaf loves it's karmic justice, and that detail would be pointless otherwise. I think it's possible Monty felt guilt after to some extent even if he was in denial of said guilt in all likelyhood, and was definitely consistently extra stressed over that fact, hence his rising anger issues and avoiding performing. But I think he DEFINITELY did it on purpose, at best in some fit of rage.
Also the fact that the fall DOESNT kill Monty himself is a further sign of his intents. I feel he had to of done a follow up attack to finish Bonnie off given he survives such a fall.
@@JammyJam5588 I think Bonnie and Monty got into an argument while on the catwalks, and Monty in a fit of rage shoved Bonnie. Either the hit caused the hole in Bonnie’s chest, or Monty tried to grab him to keep him from falling but ended up causing the damage. When Bonnie broke apart, Monty (maybe unaware that Bonnie was still alive) grabbed a carpet/sheet and hid Bonnie’s body either in fear of being found out, as a means to get rid of the evidence, or perhaps was regretful and didn’t want to hurt the other bandmates with the news of Bonnie’s decommission. So yes, at BEST Bonnie’s demise was done in a fit of emotional rage, and at WORST was a deliberate attack from Monty on Bonnie.
Personally. I'm on the mindset Monty isn't the culprit, but if he was. I really hope he lived. Someone mentioned that the ride could have been true. That Monty really did look up to Bonnie. Then one day got his shot as a band member when Bonnie wasn't able to perform. He loved it. He loved the attention, and didn't want to let it go. Monty wanted to stay in the band longer. So he lured Bonnie. We don't know if it was meant to be an attempt to outright get rid of Bonnie, or just damage him so he would need repairs. Either way Bonnie was severely damaged. Monty may actually have severe guilt for what he did. Explaining why we have messages where he avoids shows. The books showing him just being uncharacteristically silent after a rampage. Going into a depressive state. This probably would make Monty the best villain in all of FNAF. Cause he isn't just evil for the sake of evil, or some child who was corrupted by their abusive father. We have a character who is flawed. Who actually had good qualities, but made bad decisions. He didn't kill Bonnie for the lolz or to hurt Freddy. He didn't cackle madly while having a monologue. He was once a potentially good person who got corrupted and now has to live with his actions. That gets me to Bonnie's glasses. Aside from the neon sign and that kids drawing. Nothing has him wearing them. Not the plush or Pinata. Which has me thinking that Monty didn't steal these glasses from his body. Bonnie willingly gave them to him. Then that makes this all even more tragic. I'd like to think the electricity somehow rebooted Monty. Not to his "normal" glam-rock personality, but to a much earlier one. The humble one man jamboree. The Monty before he was corrupted by fame. Bonnie in a way gave Monty a new start in life when he directly (the rides story) or indirectly (What happened in the games universe) helped Monty join the band. Good intentions that led to a bad outcome. Now he's given Monty another chance. (Once again indirectly in universe....we don't have a cute cover up for this) Really I think it'd be more interesting for Monty to have a redemption arc in the next game. Not sure how it would work. I would think it shouldn't have Bonnie be fixed. Really show that despite how much Monty tries to make amends, tries to fix everything, tries to undo the damage he caused. He can never truly take away what he did. He's the reason Bonnie is gone. That's something he's going to have to live with. That to me is the best way they can use Monty if it doesn't turn out it wasn't a red herring. Than to just have him outright die from karma and basically bury the whole thing.
Really excellent theory! A good way to bring all the in-game clues together. I did have a moment when the piñata Bonnie was brought up where my brain went “what if the Mimic saw some kids absolutely destroying a Bonnie piñata and the Mimic just went ham on the real Bonnie.” I don’t think there’s anything there because there’s plenty of evidence against the Mimic killing Bonnie, but it was at least funny for a second!
We know that the mimic was trapped in the basement at some point, but do we know that it was trapped _during the time when security breach takes place?_ If not, the mimic suddenly becomes a major suspect for Bonnie's murder, as they have an even more obvious motive than Monty. Other people have noticed that Bonnie's arms have been pulled off, which is something that the mimic is known to do (though this is admittedly very weak evidence).
I find it inconsistent that some animatronics can get damaged so horribly and yet still pursue our POV characters like Monty. Monty is a quarter of his former self. he fell and as he was falling he was crushed and bisected his claws were taken and later on through neglect he was stripped of his outer panels and who knows what else happened to him. Meanwhile Bonnie got his chest slashed open (one that is usually empty for cakes and oversized pinatas.... and children) arm ripped (I think it is just one arm that is ripped) and his head casing cracked and that's it he ded. Really Bonnie? come on dude stop playing and walk it off.
There may be some kind of brain equivalent? Like he can’t get back up because some important processor was damaged, and maybe it got out okay with Monty (for the most part, see Ruin /hj)? Idk about robotics but I could understand that because they could’ve fallen differently and/or Monty could’ve specifically targeted it (being a robot himself, perhaps he knew about it. Tho freddy didn’t know about endos until Gregory showed him, so maybe Monty’s just lucky. or really mangled him bad, and Gregory couldn’t do the same to him being a kid and not a roboticist). and since monty is made to be in the catwalks, he could also have more protection for his endo in case he does fall (they wouldn’t expect the ball container to drop on him too but that extra protection could be what helped him out. we don’t know how close a call it could’ve been). Lots of explanations 🤔
@@SketchUTgoing off the theory of robot brain damage causing paralysis, I wonder if he fell from the catwalks as the result of a temper tantrum from Monty, wherein he swung without thinking. Monty could have found him knocked out on the floor and seen an opportunity, then took him back to Bonnie Bowl and finished him off with a bowling ball to the head while he was incapacitated. Gruesome but possible. It's also possible that in spite of Monty's general stupidity, he knew what parts kept the animatronic running and gutted Bonnie while he was unconscious in order to remove specific parts so he wouldn't get back up. Like you said, many possibilities.
@@nugget1631 oooo yeah that could totally happen imo! I personally like the idea of Monty just having insane luck, and grabbing at random stuff he manages to get the right thing, but it also could be knowledge they all have, even if barebones. Stupidity and intelligence can coexist in different realms, so he could just be great at knowing animatronic parts but like. nothing else hdkdhdksb
I thought the exact same thing... but I was not expecting you to say "yeah so it's kinda implied Freddy and Bonnie might have been a thing." Actually though it would explain Monty and Freddy's bad relationship. Freddy isn't over Bonnie and isn't readily accepting his replacement, and Monty isn't treated as warmly and openly by Freddy as he is by the others. ETA god guys stop fighting I don't even necessarily LIKE Glamrock Freddy x Glamrock Bonnie nor do I think it's solid irrefutable evidence I just kinda also was on the same thought train of "yeah that does kinda potentially suggest that" and then was taken by surprise when NRN NAA said the same
True! If Monty’s ride tells a narrative story, then Monty adding a headless Freddy statue is his way of telling what happened next. Given the spotlights, Freddy and Monty weren’t super close, but it was after Monty became a glamrock that Monty HATED Freddy.
I never liked the idea of Monty killing Bonnie. I didn’t like the idea of Monty just being an irredeemable, murderous jerk. But the idea of it being an _accident?_ Of him shoving Bonnie a little too hard, maybe out of anger or maybe even in a joking manner (sure, the first seems more likely but imagine if they were friends just joking around and roughhousing) and Bonnie falling over and breaking?? And Monty hiding this out of fear or guilt? Holy shit I love that. That idea has changed how I feel on it entirely by framing it in a new context. His heightened violence to the point of destructive rage could be because of the virus, but what if it was also his way of coping with grief and guilt? What if he kept going back to the catwalks, not because he’s stupid (though it’s still a dumb thing to do), but because he’s _mourning?_ What if he goes back there because it’s the last place he saw his friend alive? And my god, the irony of him being broken the same way he caused Bonnie to break is just beautiful. Way better than him ripping apart Bonnie with his own hands. Both of them breaking the _same way_ is so good. I think Monty killing Bonnie on accident is great because it turns Monty from an asshole to a _tragic_ asshole. It was still most likely his fault for being too rough or aggressive, but him not meaning to kill Bonnie adds an extra layer of tragedy to the whole thing.
I don't necessarily get a "they were lovers" vibe off the things Freddy said/wrote about/to Bonnie. More like the kind of friendship they'd have if they were human and had been friends since they were toddlers. As best I can tell, there's nothing concrete definitively stating it either way, so I'm all in favor of reading it whichever way you want, that's just the impression I get of the situation.
This is the most mature take I’ve seen someone have when disagreeing. Some of the comments are so obviously trying to make excuses for why they don’t like that type of relationship
What if Bonnie and Monty were just talking to each other on the catwalks, a nice safe place away from cameras, maybe where they could talk about Monty becoming the new bass player. When Bonnie slipped and started to fall off the catwalk, Monty reached out to try and save Bonnie, but forgot about his new claws. The claws ripped a hole in Bonnie’s chest as he fell from the catwalks. Monty, feeling guilty and scared, dragged Bonnie’s body to Bonny Bowl, a place that would be more fitting for Bonny, and he placed the wet floor signs around him. Monty then breaks a bowling ball on the wall as a “burial ritual”
If this is correct, then it could be possible that Monty wanted to be "friends" with Bonnie, but he lost his mind over the relationship with Freddy. A "friend's" quarrel that made Monty angry and harm the one friend he really wanted. It also explains his constant bitterness toward Freddy and also why Bonnie could have been so comfortable leaving his dressing room to see Monty, to have a chat. Truly tragic.
My theory about the leg upgrade is that Bonnie initially had upgraded legs(which makes sense because he’s a bunny). After Monty’s murder Fazbear Entertainment probably went “where’s Bonnie? Eh, ah well. We’ll just give Monty Bonnie’s upgrades” which is why Monty can leap so high in his boss fight and thus why he initially had his legs be the upgraded part of him
I feel compelled to wonder how much abuse these animatronics can take while still being able to move around. If we add some Remnant into G. Bonnie, is he able to come to life? Monty was still moving along fine and he was just running off of spite and idiocy.
Minor point but that final wet floor bot doesn't spawn unless you deactivate every other bot. So those really are the last four wet floor signs in the game
The one detail that doesn't match up to me, is that Bonnie died before Monty had the sharp claws. It was only after Bonnie was dead that his claws, and potentially his glasses too that Monty got them. I would assume that Monty used to have claws like Freddy, Roxy, and maybe Chica too (I'm not entirely sure) and, based on how Freddy was unable to open certain areas unless he had the sharp claw updates that Monty got from Bonnie, including being unable to open metal (fences but still metal). That would mean, that at the time of Bonnie's death, Monty wouldn't have been able to cause the claw damage on Bonnie's chest. This could simply be an oversight, and if it is I don't blame the developers as it can be easy to forget that Monty didn't always have those sharp claws like Bonnie did. Even I forgot for a while and Monty is my favorite character but that reason, that detail alone is why I still don't entirely think that Monty did it, because how could he possibly make those claw marks, if he didn't have the claws to do it? I loved how you pointed out that Bonnie has the same damage as Monty did from falling from the catwalks, and the blanket too! I never even noticed those things, and unfortunately a lot of the evidence does point Monty, which is a shame but it would make sense with the evidence we have. (Love your content btw! It's nice to listen to in the background while im doing stuff, or jist to sit there and watch in general! Great video and good points that i haven't heard anyone else talk about!)
Honestly this theory makes Monty a more interesting character. To me he felt to be the one that was the most underdeveloped((besides chica)) as he was very surface level,at least this helps him stand out and it makes me wish they kept Monty longer and not have him die in the water,it was poetic justice but a lot more could have been done with him
Im not sure if Steel Wool would really jump through so many hoops since it feels like the story is kind of simple and cut and dry (Monty kills bonnie) but this could be explained if we made Roxy the one who dismantles Bonnie as she has sharp claws with green tips, which would be more explainable than Monty’s paint transferring over when even with his claws his claw tips were purple. With how she gets to show up during Monty’s ride doing something for him(his hair to be specific) but not Chica or Freddy, There could be some sort of motive too, but thats just theorycrafting to explain away Monty’s lack of claws during the incident
@@mightaswell Mhm, that's true. I doubt that Roxy would do it, but considering that she seems like she's the second most aggressive animatronic, she could do it as well. She may not have a motivate, but it would make sense, since claw marks like that also wouldn't have the finger paint come off during them unless Monty was shoving his whole hand in there to make the marks, and Roxy is the only one with green claws
@@zenoluvswof9936 I definitely don't think Roxy did it, If she did then all that character development she had in Ruin would all just go down the drain, Plus, I don't think Steel Wool would even redeem Roxy if she was the one who killed Bonnie.
Wow. This is the first FNAF theory video with no assumptions and complete evidence I’ve seen this far. Not even Game Theory’s videos are completely evidential; you CRUSHED this!
As a Monty enjoyer it makes me sad that the DLC confirms he killed Bonnie. The fandom was already slandering him before this confirmation, this is only going to add fuel to the fire 😞 On a lighter note I really love Glamrock Bonnie's design. The color scheme is so nice 🐰💜💙
I feel the same with the poster from Fredyh. I have always seen them as the best of friends or even as brothers but now you are hard pushed to find anything of the two of them without it being gay.
on a VERY off-topic note, on 6:20, look at Vanessa's nail color. it's frickin purple >:D also, it would kinda make sense with Fronnie being a thing, especially the hinting and implications, and tbh, it's kinda cute yet so sad :(
When Ruin came out and all the stuff about Bonnie was uncovered, my friend and I were talking about how interesting it was that every game- Afton and Henri's hatred for each other seems to grow (for good reason mind you) while Bonnie and Freddy, their respective creations, grow closer through every game (no matter what form you can view their relationship as). It's super neat
I have a few thoughts. Firstly, it's not impossible that Bonnie could get on the catwalks above Gator Golf because in one of the collectable messages in Security Breach it is said that they find Monty "Where they always do" on the catwalks above Gator Golf and they don't act like he shouldn't be up there at all, so animatronics can definitely access those. I don't see why Monty would really have more access there than the rest of the gang even if it's named after him. Secondly, I think the falling of the catwalks is a compelling theory and I like it, It makes sense that the scene is staged when Bonnie has been positively ripped apart yet he lays like he's just fallen and there are clearly strong parallels between his and Monty's damage from falling (so, great job with this video, that's incredibly strong evidence!). My only problem is that Monty is said to only get those claw upgrades that he wrecks everything with after taking Bonnie's place (so, he can actually play bass), I know it was originally gonna be his legs taken so him not having claws before that could be a retcon but surely they would think about this when making Bonnie's damage (at least I hope so). I had the exact same thought about the mimic-did-it theories, why would it be around, so I agree with your theory there too. I just feel like these interpersonal relationships' between Bonnie, Freddy, and Monty are particularly important but that's really just my gut feeling. I will say again, really good job on this theory, I think it's great and the most solid one for why Bonnie's here; his... Friendship with Freddy; and Monty's jealousy/idealization.
To add to the Freddy+Bonnie relationship is that their earrings are on opposite ears Also there's a slight link to Fredbear+Spring Bonnie, with them being basically the 2 original animatronics
I agree with your take about Bonnie. I wish Monty hadn’t been responsible, but it most very likely is his fault (even if it wasn’t on purpose). So I don’t feel as bad in wrecking Monty (especially in Ruin), but it’s a shame his character and Chica’s character never got redemption. I’m glad at least Roxy got her redemption.
Your theory about Freddy & Bonnie being in a relationship is actually very interesting. It would make more sense however I never thought of it like that I just thought they were very close friends
For drama and angst purposes, i like to imagine that Monty and Bonnie were on the catwalk, talking or arguing about something, Bonnie gets on Monty's nerves and he strikes without thinking. Bonnie falls off the catwalk and crashes to the floor. Monty panics, not meaning to have actually killed Bonnie. They might not have always seen eye to eye, but he was still a friend. Monty couldn't get in trouble though, he'd be scrapped if they found out what he'd done. So he did what he had to and covered his tracks. But as we see in modern day, Glamrock Bonnie is still alive. Alive, and seething with rage towards Monty
So Mark's joke theory was kinda right? Bonnie "slipped" and "hurt his head" with the bowling ball, and Monty hid his body surrounded by the wet floor bots so no one would know. That's actually really funny. It's also really poetic that Monty suffered the same/similar damage that he inflicted onto Bonnie. I like your theory! Makes complete sense to me.
Here's the odd thing though. Monty didn't get his signature claws until AFTER Bonnie went missing. Monty's claws allow him to play the bass, but he wasn't the bass player until after Bonnie went missing. Monty is being framed. The Mimic was free at one point during the run of the Pizzaplex, something revealed in the books. My theory, The Mimic Chased Bonnie on the Catwalks, and then he was pushed off by the Mimic, who does have claws. Monty found the body, and thought he was going to be blamed. So he took Bonnie's body to the back of Bonnie Bowl, and he did his part of the cover up.
My theory is that Bonnie was planning some kind of escape from the pizzaplex, probably with Freddy. But Vanessa put a stop to it and used Monty to put Bonnie out of commission.
The problem with the theory about Monty doing the damage is that the messages imply that Monty didn't receive those killer claws until Bonnie disappeared
Yeah but also Monty having an aggressive personality and temper could make him act out.he doesn’t need claws to do damage as he’s shown to be strong as hell,I doubt the claw modifiers made him stronger just made him more effective at wrecking things
@notdeadyet3680 yeah but it's also implied that he's violent tendencies started after he got the claw upgrades, destroying everything he came across. Which also explains why in his promotional art (the ones you see painted in the walls) he is shown with a more laid back personality, but just my opinion of course
Edit: this comment is different, I wanted to rewrite it so it didn’t come off as “Your wrong, I’m right.” I’ll keep my points the same, I’m just going to reword some ramblings and try to check my tone. This theory is by far my favorite SB theory by now. Probably top 5 fnaf theories of all time. It’s well put together and has details I never noticed (falling Bonnie). Clearly a huge amount of research and care went into this. I mostly want to speculate and propose alternatives. One alternative could be Vanny, as we know Bonnie’s room has a vent that leads to Fazerblast and the third princess quest minigame. This room is obviously important to Vanny, but that minigame holds the key to stopping Glitchtrap. If that game was there the whole time, Vanny would want complete control over that room, giving her a motive to off Bonnie. It’s also possible Bonnie saw too much or was in the way of Vanny using that vent. Vanny has a disassemble button for not only the staff bots, but for the animatronics as well (scrapped concept but still). It is possible Vanny controlled Monty by ordering him to “disassemble Bonnie,” which would explain his injuries. However, this doesn’t explain the bowling ball or location. I also think there’s more to explore with where did Bonnie actually die, and how did Monty make a decent cover up. I never noticed the Blanket under bonnie, so keen eye there. The weird mark on the wall can be from a thrown bowling ball like you said. I like details I never noticed. My speculation is Vanny was involved, but is not the direct culprit. The Bonnie last seen message presumably sparked-albeit a bad-investigation. If Monty was seen dragging a large blanket to Bonnie bowl it would have been reported unless the person writing the report chose not to mention it. Vanny I think would mention Monty offing Bonnie, if only to get rid of Monty. The only reason she’s keep him around is if she’s got him under lock and key already. Vanny’s been taking kids well before Gregory, and made the disassemble button before Gregory was well. Vanny’s likely been tampering with the animatronics before the virus (maybe why eclipse is weird? Didn’t steel wool say Moon isn’t effected by the virus? That could be wrong info). Again, this theory is amazing. I haven’t seen a fnaf theory this well done since Matpats fnaf 2 theory. The composition of the video is very professional and I’m a sucker for a narrative story. Love the FreddyxBonnie bit (they’ve got matching earrings, that’s pretty much engagement rings lol). Very fun to watch, you did a wonderful job. I just like speculating.
But why would Vannesa/Vanny want to harm Bonnie? What does she gain from losing someone she can have control over? When she couldn't control Freddy she just beheaded him. Why have Monty do any of that? Why eliminate Bonnie? What does she gain? Additonal point: Vanessa didn't control the glamrocks until the night the game takes place, that's why Freddy bugged out, remember? She had the staffbots, who have no persoanlities to override and far less complex computers to hack. But not the glamrocks. Not until the night she tried to get Gregory. Additional point 2: The phrasing of the messages about night staff and Vanessa's hiring makes it sound recent, plus you find the destroyed staff meeting. But the notices about Bonnie seemed to have happened earlier. A lot of the "Vanessa did it" points stem from the assumption (not even theory, assumption) Vanessa was even an employee at the time. But there's no proof she was.
@@aromaladyellie my main point is that Bonnie was, in a way, a threat. I could be wrong on my theory, and I probably am. But for the sake of discussion I imagine Glitchtrap would want his one weakness on lock down. I dont know if she had the button during Bonnie’s death, but she’s likely been tampering with things for a while. Her costume can’t be seen by any of the animatronics and she’s been kidnapping kids for a while. Why haven’t the animatronics noticed? Maybe Bonnie noticed Vanny using the vent or being around a kid. Or maybe Vanny wanted his hideout room and the princess quest 3 minigame. I like your point about Vanny being recent. I genuinely haven’t thought of that. Going by the newspaper in the leave ending, Vanny’s been efficient at the Pizzaplex for a while. She’s got a costume that keeps the animatronics from seeing her (although she might have stolen it from a level 5 technician). She’s also got a disassemble button that was originally going to work on the glamrocks (scrapped concept). Given the sleepovers she’s been having with peepaw Afton I just think she’s been here a while. If Vanessa/Vanny didn’t write the Bonnie last seen message, then who did? The message is extremely wrong, claiming Bonnie was last seen in Monty golf. Vanessa’s also Been attending a LOT of Faz therapy, multiple sessions with multiple therapists. I don’t know how old those new hire messages are, but it Vanny would have to be Sonic to get that much done that quickly.
This theory is actually insane - it's very close to what I'd be 100% with. For me it's far more perfect if it's not a setup, but literally what happened. Monty and Bonnie really did just have a run-in with one another on the catwalks and Bonnie fell off. I know it'll never be hard-confirmed because this is FNAF but that would be my headcanon. For this to have been just a slight altercation, into Bonnie falling off almost by accident, and Monty hiding his body and finishing him off, this is way more believable than Vanny disposing of Bonnie (since clearly it wasn't his endo that she needed) or Monty killing him because he was 'jealous' and somehow getting promoted for it. No, Bonnie just got on Monty's turf, Monty started getting on his ass for it, Bonnie dropped from the catwalks and Monty had to scramble to cover it up (which 'worked').
I wish i knew what the hell is going on in Bonnies and Freddy relationship, because tbh it wasnt until we got into bonnies showroom where i started thinking about them being more than just friends, because the words are just so weirdly placed, they seem the type of 'friends' to know exactly where eachother are and send eachother plushies and gifts or something like that in 'secret' ( 'secrets' like everyone knew but kept it to themselves) i cant imagine how bonnie and chica would feel if they knew he was behind the bowling alley, not somewhere safe and being repaired or gone rouged and left forever, he was just left there
I loveee this! It was a super cool detail you pointed out where Bonnie and Monty's damage is virtually the same. The tarp was a brilliant deduction to point out as well. I feel bad about Monty just sort of... I don't know. Being introduced only to be the guy who did it. And in RUIN, only his rage remains and he lost all rational thought. His motivations for killing Bonnie are unclear, but... Due to some interviews with the voice actor, joking that Freddy and Monty would be Gay Strippers together. Sure, he was teasing about it, but coupled with the "notice me Freddy Senpai" joke as well... I can't help but think that Monty wanted what Bonnie had with Freddy, and .... well, he did this. Not that this got him into the good graces with Freddy. Even if Freddy doesn't know.... Getting Monty's parts is the least distressing upgrade Freddy gets. And in game "I could open this gate if I had Monty's claws" I know is a hint to the player to point them where to go. But Freddy just sounds so: "Well, I'm not suggesting we should decommission Monty Gregory, but ya know if something were to happen~ WINK!" tone to it over him suggesting how to open Chica's door. While Freddy probably doesn't know and can't prove anything... Monty always seemed the one Freddy seemed the least close to. As he seemed not that concerned about getting Monty's claws. He didn't ask if Monty was okay like he did with Chica or Roxanne. He sounded like he wanted Gregory to be honest about where he got the parts cause "Monty will be so angry if you hurt him" type of attitude. Also Gator Golf was the last place Bonnie went missing, and Monty has Bonnie's Base and Bonnie's Sunglasses... So... Monty probably broke Bonnie cause he was jealous.... or... maybe Bonnie knew and was rubbing it in his face... Hard to say. But I really think Monty was jealous of their bond, so he tried to break it to get closer... but it didn't work... and now he sulks above the catwalks, and finitizes about throwing Freddy in the trash too. Anyways... Awesome Video and I was looking forward to this one for a long time.
Even if we take the dark ride at face value, it's still very possible that Monty killed him. There are plenty of cases where admirers kill the object of their affection/obsession. Bonnie might have elected Monty to replace him to focus on Bonnie bowling or just for some R&R. But Monty, seeing that people still liked Bonnie more, likely would have gotten angry. Bonnie may have gone to gater golf to give him some pointers but Monty feeling insecure about himself, lashed out at Bonnie, knocking him over by mistake. He panicked and staged an accident, only for Fazbear Entertainment to not even care Bonnie went missing. It would also explain why his own green room is a mess. Monty knows he doesn't deserve his possession with the anger of being considered a lesser performer and the guilt over Bonnie fueling his rage against everyone and everything, including himself. Gregory wrecking him and being abandoned would have exasperated his problems to the point of becoming feral.
I mean the image on the Caution bots is of an animatronic falling and this theory makes the most sense as to why the 'pat-pats' were even involved with the Bonnie storyline. Lovely sleuthing, keep up the great work!!
No, no, no! Markiplier (with a teeny tiny help from Dawko) figured out what happened. You see, Bonnie was back in Bonnie Bowling, doing that one finger bowling ball spin that he does, when he lost control and the ball whipped off against the wall and then back at him, killing him. Monty went to go check on him and slipped and fell down, accidently landing on Bonnie and causing those claw marks. Seeing how dangerous this area was, Monty got the wet floor bots and stationed them around Bonnie's corpse as to prevent other people from slipping and falling too. So you see, Monty is actually the hero of this story and not the villain!
I love this theory so much, Bonnie and Freddy's relationship looks to me like an odd paralel to Henry and Afton, but as well the Monty history looks a bit like Steelwolf taking the lore torch from Scott
Even if Monty did it, I believe it was an accident and not out of jealousy or to want to take his spot. Theres a message log on the base sb a lot of people actively ignore, the one that mentions monty missing various of the glamrocks performances and going to the monty golf catwalks, while most likely its just there to foreshadow shattered monty (mentions a previous accident at the catwalks) it still makes me think why would monty miss those performances if he (literally) killed someone for joining them, and why would he go always to the catwalks seemingly to hide?
Not gonna lie, Ruin's reveal of Glam Bonnie and the backstory behind it were helpful for me. As a fanfiction writer with my own Five Nights series posted online and being popular enough that my phone was going nuts with notifications when I was posting it more quickly, I touched on Bonnie in the first part but it was posted when SB was just really released. Now I can update it in the fourth upcoming part (Ruin storyline but competent young adults) and I love it
I’m not a massive fan of the fashion choice he has going on (why is Freddy nude while all his bandmates have clothes?), I concur that this really does complete his posthumous arc in a satisfying and mature way. One may even compare the circumstance of being in an extremely painful, but conscious, state and watching the world around you continue while you’re sealed away to the fate of Afton and being locked away for 30 years. It must be refreshing to talk about something competent and likable after going through that ridiculous MPreg story.
All of the animatronics seem to have varying styles tbh, Monty has the more golf-y type of outfit, roxys wearing her racing uniform, and chica and Bonnie have fitness clothing. And Freddy’s… freddys naked, I guess.
@@Youarewhatyoueatsonic The way clothes work in these games for the animatronic is just really odd. 1 had everyone in the nude besides Foxy, who had pants. 2 had T. Chica specifically wear pants. Plus BB is fully clothed, I guess. 3 and 4 uphold what the previous games did for returning characters. 5 had the ladies entirely clothed, but everyone else nude. 6 kept the standard of all returning characters. Security Breach has everyone EXCEPT Freddy (and Music Man?) wear some damn pants. Consistently, Freddy’s been a streaker, mostly because he has the ego of his name being on the front door. Hell, he even insists on being nude when Baby took over that one time. I demand a video on this very essential and not stupid continuity, NotAtAll.
I'd like to believe that Monty and Bonnie were at least friends, maybe Monty was in a mood and Bonnie tried to sooth him but got damaged in the process, maybe even knocked off the catwalks where Monty, like many people that accidentally cause similar incidents, tried to hide and disguise said incident instead of telling those who could have helped and probably understood.
This could also explain why Monty skips out on performances at times to hang out on the catwalks. He probably feels some guilt or he at least knows how Bonnie was decommissioned
it's sad how we can love a character we never truly got to interact with and meet in the security breach franchise. I can personally say, Bonnie is my favorite in security breach, his story is something of mystery and friendship, and close connections. His friends loved him and Freddy really, really misses him. He was loved by the kids so much that they asked for him for so long. If we truly never get to see Bonnie revived in any way, and there is no ending where Freddy finally has him back, if there is no possibility of getting the M.X.E.S. system back up to turn Bonnie back on (because it seems like he's somehow connected to that like Roxy and the little cleaner bots.) everyone will surely miss the bunny they never got a chance to meet when this is over.
9:56 unpopular theory: monty only became aggressive AFTER bonnie got shattered, similar to how Freddy grieves bonnie’s decommissioning, monty possibly destroys things and even becomes aggressive towards staff to cope, he had a one sided friendship to Bonnie, bonnie focusing on the main band instead of him… so he became aggressive once he found out bonnie was decommissioned. And he may have actually been an ally, but Vanny might have pushed monty to his breaking point (pun intended). Vanny may have forced monty to do it, and monty only becomes Angry after Bonnies death
I love that you went Columbo on this mystery and interrupted yourself with one more thing you noticed. 'One more thing Mr... uh, gator was it? Yeah, I was looking at the pattern of the bowling ball damage and I just can't quite figure out how that could cause this specific torso damage.' Great video, I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt like Bonnie and Freddy were in love. That signed poster is so bitter sweet knowing all we know now.
It's strange, we have so much evidence that we can piece together, but things just don't seem to add up. Like for example, people have been saying that Bonnie really *did* give up his position for Monty, and after that, his "greenroom" became that area behind the curtains in Bonnie bowl. But that doesn't make any sense, seeing as one of the notes you pick up states that he leaves his greenroom in *Rockstar Row,* then ends in Gator Golf. So it seems like he was still in the band before he was decommissioned. To me, the Gator Golf ride is the cover up, not actually Monty's backstory. One of the other notes states that they don't have anything to tell the kids asking about Bonnie. Either that, or Bonnie really *did* give up his position. Whether willingly, or forcefully. Because that would explain why his new room is in Bonnie bowl. But again, there's that note that says he left his room in Rockstar Row.
I like all the points for this aside from the bowling ball itself- The damage on Bonnie's head is circular. I kind of assumed Monty picked it up and finished Bonnie off after dragging him to where he ended up. Maybe he was still alive- That fall DIDN'T kill Monty after all, he was still able to move, hence why he'd gone the route of removing his limbs. Perhaps not having any other ideas, he grabbed a bowling ball and finished him off so hard the ball broke and shattered, along with Bonnie's head case and possibly memory cards etc. Maybe Monty was trying not to get caught?
I mean, maybe, but the damage on his head doesn't really match it. It matches the catwalk fall. If you look, he has that same would that Monty has on the eye. I agree that Monty could've taken apart Bonnie's limbs so he couldn't move, and that as of Ruin Bonnie is largely uploaded into the wet floor bots, explaining why he shuts down when they are.
I do believe that all the animatronics had their personalities messed with. Roxy being narcassitic but in Ruin she’s back to her original personality. I do think Monty wasn’t always aggressive. I wonder if this is the mimic’s doing on copying his code to other animatronics and things that make them more violent and aggressive. I think Game Theory needs to see this. That small detail at the crime scene you made is very interesting.
Now I wonder if he was hooked up to the wet floor bots in the OG game too. might be why theyre very attentive to Gregory and Freddy's movements or if this was a recent connection. Maybe it be possible to salvage his computer components completely and uploade him onto a harddrive or laptop for mobility
I did saw once in the endo blueprints that imply that they have brains inside them,it may be a litlle complicated to transfer it to others,and it is stated in the fazbear frights that once the blood gets to the metal it fuses forever
I think the damage being caused by a fall from the catwalk makes the most sense. We know Monty can't have caused those scratches by himself, because he's only able to make those deep cuts due to his bassist claws - which we know he didn't HAVE until after Bonnie went missing. I think Monty accidentally or intentionally pushed Bonnie off the catwalk.
I didn't think of the floor bots like that. Imagine that Bonnie was able to view what was going on through the Pizzaplex with those, sorta like someone on a security camera being able to view everything in a building but you have no ability to interact with what you see. He would have been forced to see Freddy greave, Roxy and Chica deal with their own problems, Gregory's stuff in SB, and then worst of all, seeing Monty thriving. It was probally like being in a Purgatory.
Great deductions all around, this just makes the tragedy look so perfectly executed. Whether or not this is intentional by Steel Wool or not, I hope some artists and writers use this to make incredible and interesting fan works.
Honestly Monty being less than smart and accidentally killing Bonnie is my favorite theory because he’s my favorite of the band and convinced me to write a cringe fanfic just because I want a happy ending that we probably won’t get Also Freddy and Bonnie being gay is amazing and you cannot convince me that it isn’t canon
I agree with what you’ve said, because it makes so much more sense than anything else I’ve seen other people cover. His anger towards Freddy also helps prove this; a headless Freddy (foreshadowing to the ending or not), and the Freddy in the trash in the Golf arcade game show that he may look up to Freddy, but he could be very opportunistic. Also, I think since Bonnie is connected to the wet floor bots, they may have children screaming from them because he may have seen people die there. We know people have died or gone missing, so he may have been watching this all happen while he was just trapped there, unable to do anything. I remember seeing someone say maybe that’s why he was in Monty Golf in the first place: because he heard someone in danger and ran off to investigate.
I think you've got it. Your solution lines up with how steel wool was focussed on environmental storytelling with the tarp and the cable, so I'm absolutely sold on it. I'm inclined to say the initial fall was an accident though. If it was cold-blooded murder, the only motivation would have been to join the band in Bonnie's stead. But we know that Monty skips out on performances regularly, so he clearly isn't that attached to the position. I think Monty got angry and swung without thinking, and did his best to cover his tracks, like you said.
Still, it's kind of strange to me, that from all band members Freddy is the one in the shadow, it looks like Monty liked all of them, and admired Bonnie, but didn't like Freddy at all. Why would people who made that attraction and cover up story do that? It doesn't make any sense for them to show that kind of emotion towards any of their characters. Maybe, we will get lore continuation, that, maybe, Monty wanted to kill Freddy, but confused him with Bonnie instead, isn't dark in the golf area? Who knows. But Bonnie laying there really looks like a bad cover up from Monty. It would be even more tragic if Bonnie got that by accident. Also, it's really sad and dark, that Bonnie gets your attention and leads you to him by floor signs. I like that moment so much, it's a nice twist.
Honestly dont know how i feel about Glamrock Freddy and Glamrock Bonnie being an item. Never really cared much for that ship (though i do appreciate canon queer robots), not really that much into shipping my animatronic bear father with anyone. However, I'm still on the fence about Monty killing Bonnie. You raise some excellent points, and i'll definetly revise my thoughts and theories with your points in mind, however something about all of this still irks me. Though I dont really know what. Again, I need to revise my thoughts.
So, my theory is that Bonnie Knew Something Was Up, and asked Monty to shred him in hopes of delaying the plans of the thing in the pit. That he would rather *die* than suffer Afton or anything pretending to be him, and if for some reason they *needed* him for some part of that plan? Then the best way to throw a wrench in is to arrange for himself to be taken *out.* Monty has the capability, Bonnie probably had a plan to evade detection, possibly through the tunnels? And then switching into whatever the equivalent is to Airplane mode is for an advanced robot. It's possible Freddy found out, knew that Bonnie had made a decision and he wasn't gonna talk his beloved friend out of it no matter how hard he begged... which might explain why Freddy doesn't seem to hold any animosity towards Monty. It's also possible that the gang did it together, which is why all three animatronics are having A Rough Time at current. If the four of them just had to rip apart their friend for the greater good, they'd all be going through system overloads worth of feels that would likely lead to a more pronounced expression of harmful personaity traits. If its true that parts of him were intended for the Afton Mimic, I'm gonna guess a very specific piece was removed when his chest was ripped open. Something needed.
Hey fun fact! A user on Twitter pointed out that the rug under Bonnie isn't just a standard rug, its a 80's arcade flooring patterned carpet, and no rea of the Pizzaplex has that carpet except for the entrance to Gator Golf. (Its hard to make out because it is drenched in oil and soot, but you can see the patter on the small patch of carpet beneath Bonnie)
That is a huge find there!
I did some digging myself ( I actually bought SB again for PC and installed debug menu)
I found something really neat.
So Bonnie is on a carpet, right? But it's perfectly rectangular.
Well, I was looking at the floor of the East Arcade.
Not only does it have the same design as the one Bonnie is found on.
It is also noticeable that this carpet is in rectangular cuts on the floor in one section.
Which makes much more sense for an animatronic to take advantage of precut carpet.
Considering Bonnie was in this area for about an hour. Which is plausible time to rip up a segment of carpet.
Are we sure Monty is the one we should be concerned about?
(Also, I checked Gator Golf for any rectangular cuts or sections like what I saw before. Nothing)
I suspect Freddy knows who did it and programming prevents him from confronting the culprit. Imagine what that would do to your psychology. It could turn you into a monster seeing all the advertisements of your friend paraded around like a gross zombie, or cause you to do something heroic, something impossible, like refusing an order to end a child Anda system reset that would allow it.
@@treena9930 I saw a post about this on Twitter, but the carpet Bonnie is laying on specifically matches the carpet pattern in Monty Golf, not the East Arcade....
@@treena9930 Oh my god. What if Bonnie asked Monty to k!ll him? It's a far out theory, but what if??
Another thing I wanted to point out is that Bonnie was also close with Chica, as she also has a bowling ball in her room like Freddy does. So it almost seems like they knew that they have been around almost since the beginning (I say almost because Chica was added later alongside Foxy) but Roxanne and Monty don't have bowling balls in there rooms as they are the "new guys" and didn't have the relationship that the other two had with Bonnie. Nice little detail that not many people notice.
Monty often visits the catwalks and that was the place Bonnie used to hang around for.
Roxy is more likely because her claws into the greed marks better than Monty's purple claws.
Monty doesn't have purple claws. He has purple gloved palms. The fingers are green, the nails are black.
Important note: There's a common misconception that Monty did not have claws before his bass upgrade. This is untrue, as we see that the endos have claws and non-bassists like Freddy too have them. Monty just didn't have claws made specifically to play the bass.
And that's not even going into discussing the fact that Monty's upgrades were initially his legs. XD
i think the only question now would be if the pre-bassist claws were enough to do that much damage, which is already answered by shattered freddy’s design when he was meant to be destroyed by his bandmates. only speculation left would be if it was monty or the mimic. monty didn’t want to perform on stage, which wouldn’t make sense for why he’d destroy bonnie. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In this video they explain that the majority of the damage done to Glam Bonnie was identical to having fallen off the catwalks above Gater Golf, perhaps initially being "clawed" over the rail during a heated exchange?
As to Motivation, its was perhaps less with wanting to be on stage and more about getting close to Freddy/ jealous of the ~-ship between Freddy and Bonnie.@@vamp_hater
I read a hilarious theory that Chica did it because Bonnie wouldn't let her have Monty Mystery Mix. Like she is addicted to it, and it made her act crazy. The Mystery Mix is literally green slime which could be what is actually smudged on Bonnie's torso. If any animatronic can pull apart another one then I can't rule out Chica or say she couldn't destroy Bonnie "just becuz". So that is my new theory. Chica did it.
@@belltowercollective7821 definitely possible, granted it’s not likely anything will ever make sense or we’ll even remotely get an answer since Steel Wool is (seemingly) already brushing off the whole glamrock bonnie thing with him being finally powered off. all that matters at the end of the day is that steel wool gave us gay representation with a dead bunny and a bear who lost his body🙏
Yeah not to mention how he doesnt even use the hands to PLAY THE BASS. he literally just slaps his guitar. i feel like if they did a strong hands upgrade they couldve had them pull up sliding doors that were closed or partially closed, like el chips door. the hand upgrade is so dumb. (plus imagine freddy with montys legs. Thatd be amazing.)
To some extent, I feel like the Glamrock Bonnie room could also be a reference to William being Springlocked. Locked away in a sealed room, 4 Floorbots (which have weird child laughter/screaming ambiance around them in AR) that once they are turned off/pass on, Bonnie passes on. Almost an allegory for William
Holy ship. And then the “fifth” floor bot far away (the one that gets you into the room) being Golden Freddy. Excellent point.
Way too underrated.
I mean with the Give Gifts reference in the normal SB game I think this is definitely plausible. You kinda ate I fear
I’m leaning more toward the theory that Bonnie getting damaged beyond repair was an accident, and Monty tried to hide it out of panic. I don’t see a reason why Monty would deliberately decommission Bonnie as bad as we see him. I think it’s possible Bonnie met Monty on the catwalk in Monty Golf to talk, then they got into an argument about something. Monty could’ve then tried to push him a little out of anger, but he accidentally used his claws to scratch his chest, which made Bonnie fall over the edge of the catwalk. Monty then goes down to try to help him, but he sees that Bonnie got damaged so severely that he isn’t going to get up. So he tries to hide Bonnie’s body so he doesn’t get blamed for it.
That makes more sense to me. Because if he purposely decommissioned Bonnie, then why did he do it when Bonnie just randomly showed up in Monty Golf one day? I could see it if we got a report of Monty entering Bonnie Bowl, because then we’d know Monty specifically went to where Bonnie was, but unless Vanny was the cause of all this, Monty had no clue Bonnie would be in Monty Golf.
I honestly agree, especially because I was watching another theory vid on Bonnie, and they pointed out that Monty didn't even get his claws to play bass until Bonnie was already gone.(Edit: Specifically from the messages from security breach from the duffle bags)
I mean, he could've had a previous reason to want to get rid of Bonnie, and when Bonnie showed up to Monty Golf for whatever reason, he saw an opportunity and took it.
@@yustinj.3910 That’s fair, but this doesn’t seem like it was planned. I doubt Monty thought of pushing him off the catwalk and then hiding Bonnie in his room when he saw Bonnie come into Monty Golf. The fact that Bonnie was presumably pushed off the catwalk in the first place tells that he willingly went up there with Monty before he fell, unless Vanny took control of him or something. It’s hard to tell as we don’t have a lot of information.
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He wouldnt even have of needed to scratch him if he was gonna push him out of the catwalks anyways
For someone who was at the very least self aware enought to not let him ob monty golf cause he knew that they would blame it on him and tried to make it look like an accident he probably would too not try to get such a big clue on Bonnie's body
I was also thinking that the claw marks could've been him trying to catch Bonnie instead, reaching out and trying to grab him but just missing and ripping a hole in his chest
A part of me is disappointed that we might never get full story for Bonnie (even with a potential second DLC, his arc seems over as the player is allowed to let him move on), but you’re right, the story told with these clues is pretty beautiful, so I’m happy with what Ruin gave us anyway even though we won’t get see him in action.
What’s makes this more tragic is that Freddy himself will never know where Bonnie went and is just going to be permanently left wondering.
I wonder, if there’s more FNAF games after this, if they’ll bring back Bonnie(+Foxy) or carry on the series with these new four.
Or maybe they could make a past DLC with Bonnie and we could find out what really happened to him, Idk probably not but it would be cool.
What about a prequal DLC...
I mean the main four always stand a big (and only) example is sister location since we got new animatronics such as baby and balora but they never replaced the ogs
Monty doesn't have green claws.
Roxy does.
I think is going to be opposite, first of all, this is five night at Freddy's and so far we've only spent two nights (Cassie and Gregory) plus we haven't seen how was the Pizzaplex in the beginning, we haven't seen the meeting of the staff (which i bet that was a gruesome one) and we still don't know where's Foxy (except for its eyes since Roxxane had them)
I like how Freddy and Bonnie's teeth spacing in the main artwork for the cutouts fit perfectly together, as if a sort of matching set.
It's so they could k- ..kindly be the best of friends together! :-) /j
I just noticed that! Kinda cool
Just like their earings
They are so fucking gay i can't even
@@yellowbunny812 yeah! its like they were designed to be each other's other half
Bonnie deserved better, and after Ruin I’m starting to find a lot more appreciation for all the environmental storytelling and context clues they laid out. Suddenly base Security Breach feels a little bit more lively, and not just an empty shell of a game that never was. What Steelwool did leave in the game for people to look at and pick up on, it’s great stuff, and I love how much they leaned into this with Ruin. Bonnie’s story is a sad one, but one that I liked for the way in which it was told. It makes me want to see more stuff like this from Steelwool in the future. RIP to this franchise’s best rabbit.
BRB I gotta find that time travelling ball pit. Best Rabbit will live on.
Honestly shocked he kept his face this time though lol.
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Admittedly, I still wish Ruin was the one that got a full length game so it could really iron out its whole deal, but as is, I feel ya!
I have to wonder if the remnant of lost souls kept Bonnie alive for so long. The constant horrific cries and screams of children echoing through the wet floor bots. Just bone chilling.
Yeah that might be a possibility, maybe Cassie is letting their spirits go free aswell along the way
That seems unlikely to me considering how Golden Freddy works. We're not even sure if the suit exists anymore, but we do know its probably busted beyond repair. Yet it is still seriously haunted despite being broken.
So if it was powered by remnant, the Glamrock Bonnie would be doing similar spooky stuff like appearing out of nowhere and being generally vengeful. And I doubt it would be pacified by turning off signs.
Then again that would be a very cool design. Floating limbs, dangling lower half, glowing eyes, crooked jaw. I'd pay to see a Golden Freddy style Glamrock Bonnie. But I'm guessing too many rabbits already, considering we have Vanny, Burntrap, and the security system.
If dead children souls are in all animatronics and bots, then the Freddy's parent company is basically just the dwarves from Dragon Age.
Who even knows how remnant works anymore? It’s essentially midichlorians or lending Goku your energy. It can be whatever the writers need it to be to get the plot moving.
The glamrocks are not possessed except for freddy
Someone on tumblr actually did some research and found that common symptoms of having witnessed some sort of traumatic event are eating disorders, shattered self-esteem, and uncharacteristic aggression. So I'm thinking that not all the problems in the Glamrocks personalities and behavior were caused by Glitchtrap/the Mimic1 virus, and more from the sudden loss of Bonnie. Chica has the eating disorder, Roxy is now having self-esteem problems, and Monty's suddenly gone from chill to destroying his green room. But then what about Freddy? Well, this person (not disclosing a username for privacy reasons) said that he got chronic optimism. He's gone through what he thinks is the worst thing he possibly could and it can only go up from there. The issue is that noone thought to give the animatronics support, or even healthy ways to cope with the loss. This is the second time I've seen the sentient robots be treated exclusively as property and now I'm getting upset since this time it cost more than someone's internal organs.
When it comes to what happened to Bonnie, I was sold on the Mimic theory (Monty found the body to link him to it) until I thought about the mockingbird of a robot having been down there for a long time. Now my theory is that Monty did it while he wasn't in control of himself. I'd like to think they were friends and Bonnie was like the negotiator between him and Freddy. But some time before Security Breach, something else was controlling Monty and killed Bonnie that night. Noone was able to find him, and Monty didn't remember anything (hence why he still has the uncharacteristic aggression from grief mentioned before). Someone who was his friend went missing and nobody knows what happened. Maybe he notices some clues to what happened and even starts questioning himself. Monty could have been driving himself deeper and deeper as he goes mad from both grief and (eventually) guilt. That, or (as you mentioned in both the Monty and Glamrock Bonnie videos) Bonnie for some reason asked him to do it. Maybe it was just to get out of one single show by staging an accident falling off the catwalks gone wrong, and now Bonnie's a (digital) ghost in the machine after Monty had to hide what he did to save himself, hence why Monty becoming bassist in the dark ride is a voluntary passing of the torch. He wanted Monty to take over once, but now he's stuck doing it forever.
And yes, tumblr also went insane over the possibility that Freddy and Bonnie were gay for each other. It's kinda cool seeing tumblr embrace it while a lot of other people immediately shun people who even imply it (yes I totally ship these two and I'm not afraid to say it, I'm writing a slice of life AU and even if it's not canon to FNaF lore it's canon there just for nostalgia reasons since I was around for the boom of it).
can you pass the posts please it really sounds interesting
@@Fan_del_Yaoi_de_viejos115 Oh god Iost it
I had the thought of Monty feeling guilt, like he won't show up for performances, instead hangs around the catwalks, even tho he's meant to want the spotlight, but I never put it together as amazingly as they all feel trauma from the event!
Sadly, I don't expect them to ever make a romantic relationship between them cannon but it does feel rather gay.
It kinda seems like monty was already aggressive but besides that I really like this idea
The mind-wipe idea could also explain why Monty is so focussed on the catwalks. He's trying to piece together what happened. I can't imagine an 8-foot robotic bunny falling from the catwalks would leave no environmental damage, so Monty constantly being up there (even after falling from them himself) would make sense
I still think its hilarious that Bonnie was in an area where employees clearly worked during the day and he went missing while the pizzaplex was still open. So they really just left him there forever and in the entire time that the pizzaplex was still open, nobody ever bothered to scrap him to clean the place up or something.
This is Fazbear entertainment we're talking about.
Fazbear entertainment is known for cutting corners and being lazy so it's kinda a given
@@skeletor4436 At this point Fazbear entertainment isnt cutting corners, they're cutting across the whole shape.
@@Florjb0rjTheFloorboardjust like Steel wool when making base security breach 🙃
Technically the back of the alleys is all mechanized so employees would rarely have to go back there because of all the machines resetting the alleys and returning the balls.
If Markiplier’s theory about Glamrock Bonnie and the bowling ball is actually canon, then it will become the biggest FNAF conspiracy of the century mostly by MatPat.
markiplier will be a great theorist.
That's why he's the King of Fnaf
@@viviennemorgan7217 dude mark got the entire Lore of ultimate custom night right after playing it for like 15 minutes. Of course he would be!
@@ssomenerdd forget matpat we got markiplier the one who started the bite of 87 meme
What was Markiplier’s theory?
For people thinking Vanny made Monty destroy Bonnie: with "Bonnie's parts were recycled for Burntrap" theory being disproven, Vanny had no possible motivation to decommission Bonnie. If he was getting in her way, she would just hack Bonnie and have a bodyguard in the area where she resides.
Vanny's motivation could have been that Bonnie had discovered that she was murdering children (to take their remnant for burntrap).
This is mostly speculative, but the association of Bonnie with the wet floor signs and the sounds of screaming children is a notable piece of evidence which could point to it.
I always saw it as Afton pitching a fit to have his fursona continue being a rabbit- so that's why Bonnie was targeted.
But it would be advantageous to Vanny if Bonnie was there. To explain away any rabbit ear sightings on camera. (It's confirmed in the tapes the thing that blurs her out on cams doesn't completely obscure the ears.)
So now, I think Monty got territorial, killed him on accident, hid him- after Vanessa just happened to steal the extra Bonnie "casings" for Peepaw.
And instead of making more, /that/ was the last straw for Fazbear Entertainment- so they got lazy and made Monty the bassist.
Sorry this turned into an essay.
What if Vanny made Monty do it as a test of her hacking ability.
@@pilloeglade5463 could be
@@pilloeglade5463well monty didn't have claws at the time of Bonnie's death, and we can see huge gashed down the chest of bonnie, monty also started raging out after bonnie was gone, I think he didn't kill him
Something else that might be interesting to note: the fabric we find Bonnie on is actually a rectangle of carpet, the pattern of which can ONLY be found in a few places. Two of them - the hallway to Rockstar Row and the DJ/Fazcade area - aren’t important here. But lastly - and most notably - it’s also the carpet pattern we see throughout Monty Golf. The fact that it’s carpet from Monty’s attraction that was used to (mostly likely) drag Bonnie back behind the bowling lanes is yet another very telling piece of evidence to add to the list!
Yup... And the Cutout of "Falling Bonnie" is hidden inside Monty Golf, after the Log Ride portion... Kinda "floating" above the map on a pipe or something.
Bonnie Definetly Fell in Monty Golf... Who actually Did it, is still to be seen.
@kaillah There are three color possibilities for the spiral confetti carpet, as well as three sizes we see around the 'Plex. (I took may too many screenshots and did way too many image comparisons when looking into this originally lol. I can't even tell you how long I spent documenting Fazbear Carpet Design Differentiations en mass. There are too many carpet variants in this building, I swear! xD)
Like you said, there's a blue one like we see in Monty Golf. Blue base, blue and green spirals, white and pink confetti. There's a red one we see in some connecting hallways between attractions: red base, red and gold spirals, red and pink confetti. Then there's the gray/green one we see in Bonnie Bowl. Teal-gray base, green and white ribbons, blue and white confetti. But the other thing to note is that these also show up in different sizes.
The carpet can't be from Bonnie Bowl, for a few reasons. Most notably is that it's mid-range in size. Even if the color was meant to be the green carpet, the size of the version we see in the arcade is absolutely tiny. It's the smallest of the three size varients and doesn't match. And even if we factor in the blue spiral confetti carpet by the elevator (which I still believe the color to be), that version has massive spirals that don't match in scale. Big pattern ≠ Bonnie carpet.
The carpet Bonnie is lying on is too light to match the clean version of the (richer) blue carpet we see in SB, true, but like you said - color fades. And it's too blue-tinged and too dark to match the grey and green carpet we see in the Alley arcade. The carpet he's lying on is a faded blue with green and white and blue details. (Both the gray carpet and the blue carpet have green and white details, true...but I'm more inclined to believe it's in the bluer of the two camps.)
And if you're skeptical in relation to the other colors on the blue carpet - the pink more notably - I have screenshots of that same carpet in different areas where it looks slightly different depending on the lighting. When you step into Monty Golf, the carpet on the ground gets bathed in green from the environment in that area. The pink blends to white and the blue of the spirals half-fades into the background. The green part of the spirals pop. It's the same blue carpet - by moving to a different part of the room of having Freddy shine a light on it, it's easy to see - but certain colors are less distinct because of the lighting. In some areas, that same carpet looks purple until you look at it from a different direction. The room we find Bonnie in has low yellow lighting, the carpet is faded and dusty (gray dust, mind you), and we only have a flashlight. The colors on an old once-vibrant rug aren't going to be vibrant anymore.
(Similarly, that gray pattern is a more basic gray in Bonnie Bowl's arcade and appears slightly green from a distance, but when you go up to the Superstar-cade it sometimes looks straight-up green. Green, green, and more green. TOXIC green in some areas lol. It's kind of crazy how much lighting can affect the color of a texture.)
And hey, maybe I'm wrong. But I've been pretty meticulous in my research and I'm pretty damn confident in what I've found. The first time I heard this little tidbit from a random RUclips comment somewhere else on this site, I was a bit skeptal myself - so I did the research. I wasn't about to take someone's stray claim at face value. I opened my 6am Security Breach save and went back over my Bonnie stream footage from Ruin and I made sure it wasn't just some random on the internet making some unfounded declaration. I like proof and I like details. So I went out and found it. And if someone rips open Ruin and compares texture files and it turns out I made a mistake, then hey, I'll accept that. But for now I'm sticking to my guns. (I spent too many hours on this not to lol.)
I think Monty and Bonnie had a relationship similar to Shifu and Tai Lung.
Bonnie took the croc on as an apprentice, a son even, and, felt that Monty would be too violent, and a bad influence on the kids. Seeing as Monty is impulsive, about as narcasistic as Roxy, but with the self confidence to be a really bad bully.
And so, Bonnie, tried teaching Monty to be the best he could be, but, when it came for Bonnie to retire, probably from losing profits for the Pizzaplex, he refused to give Monty the spotlight. And, you can fill the rest in from there.
Actually I think Bonnie was brought to Bonnie bowl by people. The first messages say he was missing, but the one saying that Monty would replace him don't say he's still missing, they refer to him as "out of commission." Fazbear staff found him in Monty Golf before opening and had to move him quickly, and Fazbear Entertainment didn't think it was worth it to take him down to parts and services and properly repair his endo or his casing. So they left him there.
Plus, Cassie's dad is implied to know what happened with Bonnie.
@@syweb2... what when tf
@@TimeMasterOGin Ruin, you will find a piece of Bonnie merchandise labelled "Dad never told me what happened to Bonnie", implying he (Cassie's dad) knows what happened to him.
I think Fazbear Entertainment saw missing kids and when the Rabbit went down it was a happy accident from their pov. Bad PR. Freddy would be next. Get away from the ones that caused a bad taste to begin with. Roxy and Chica are already different characters at this point.
@@Hex.A.Decimal "Get away from the ones that caused a bad taste to begin with" you could very well be on to something with this line, especially seeing how quick fazbear entertainment was to replace freddy with monty in one of the sb endings.
I’m a little sad that they didn’t use his Bowling design. I actually had a head cannon that when Bonnie was around, the Pizzaplex was going to be 50s themed, but around Monty’s addition they went with the 80s look.
Edit: I do like his headband it’s stylish
I liked to think maybe he was just the only member of the band that was just wearing casual clothes, kinda fits the bassist theme lol. What he was wearing wasn’t really 50s themed either. If they were a 50s band the male characters would have been in suits with ties while the females would have had dresses of some kind.
Looking back I think the bowling design might of been meant to be classic bonnie the whole time. Faz ent probably changed the theme after he was scrapped. Its shown they still use the classics with the foxy statue in the kids cove sub lobby.
The bowling desigh was literally classic Bonnie though
i once criticized bonnie for not looking bowling themed enough, and then you realize the other glamrocks don't look like their sport either. freddy doesn't look like a futuristic space warrior, chica doesn't *really* look like an exercise trainer, roxy doesn't look like a racer, and monty doesn't look like a golfer either.
@@1Woofer1roxy looks like she would race
I dont think Monty meant to kill Bonnie, since a common sign of a kill done through an emotional moment, is keeping the dead person's body on or wrapped in a blanket. It can be a sign of remorse, trying to compensate for what they've done. The most likely scenario was Monty meeting Bonnie to talk about replacing Freddy in the band, angering Bonnie, causing an argument that led to Bonnie being struck off the catwalks. Monty most likely wrapped Bonnie in a nearby fire blanket as he took him back to Bonnie Bowl, to not have to see his idol destroyed. Monty later on shattered the bowling ball, likely after trying to give Bonnie something he loved, but he destroyed it in a remorseful rage, soon leaving to not have to see him. It makes more sense with Monty's rage towards Freddy, shown in the concert stage of his game where Freddy is thrown in the dumpster and how Monty looked up to Bonnie, shown by Freddy being in the dark when Monty sees Bonnie and the others playing in the cutouts. Monty being an emotionally driven robot, blames Freddy for what happened to Bonnie and seeks to replace him in a delusional idea of revenge. I get Monty's voice actor claimed Monty has a yandere relationship with Freddy, but he's not the writers behind the story, plus he had to read his lines in a warehouse, meaning he wasn't respected.
it most definitely could have been a yandere relationship at first. i feel like with Freddy being a prototype vanny talked a lot about Freddy being replaced due to his programming being faulty (which is why he wasn't effected by the mimic virus). As you know she already mentioned this before in SB saying monty would replace him.. this may have caused the whole talk about monty coming to Bonnie about Freddy being replaced and then them fighting on the catwalks. after the fight monty became corrupted and now blames Freddy for being the initial cause of his problems.
tldr: vanny hyped monty up with replacing freddy and monty goes back to tell bonnie out of excitement for getting closer to one of his idols. this causes a fight to break out on the catwalks and bonnie gets decommissioned, the end
@@amajeee Exactly and it makes the most sense with the environmental storytelling. Plus Monty is programmed to follow his story shown in Monty Gulf, so without Bonnie being there to be a goal for Monty to be like, it leaves Monty without a motivation, outside being the best music player.
A warehouse? Really?
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon That's what I heard and it's why he has such an echo in his lines.
@@MikeFireheart Is that even normal in the voice acting gig?
I just realized... Freddy says "You're my Superstar"... Super STAR. Like the star sunglasses Bonnie used to wear.
Omg...
You don't have the right to make me cry!!! Stop it!!! 🤧😭😭😭
Considering that Toy Bonnie(Who has the same color as Glamrock Bonnie) in fnaf AR says lines that call himself a "Superstar", I find it possible that Glamrock Bonnie would also call people Superstars and maybe thats how Freddy learned it.
@@soggagaming1537 i hope so, even if its not canon doesnt mean this isnt going to make me tear up
Honestly, I think that Monty really did idolize Bonnie, it’s supposedly a core part of his personality in marketing, something they’d code into him the same way that Roxy is obsessed with her appearance or Chica is obsessed with eating. If anyone’s to blame, I think it has to be Vanny, if anything Monty’s aggression is because of what happened, not the other way around. He was programmed to idolize someone, his personality quite literally revolves around it, and now he’s the one responsible for destroying him. That’s why he becomes so animalistic that he can’t even utter a single word, not only was his body ruined, his mind was completely and utterly shattered, if he wasn’t a program I’d call it a spiral into madness, but even so it’s so incredibly tragic
Yeah I’ve considered this too. The Neon Bonnie sign killing Monty *could*, probably is, supposed to be poetic justice, I also figured that it could represent his obsession with Bonnie consuming him.
So you think that Vanny hacked Monty?
@@prufan Yeah, sorry I didn’t make that clear lol
yea i thought that monty is this way because of bonnies death either by accident or on purpose but regretting it after
It seems as though they're personalities are taken to the extreme. When you look at it. Chica is obsessed with food to the point where she comes off as having an eating disorder, Roxy comes off as depressed for her need to be the best. If Monty was programmed to idolize Bonnie and Freddy based of what the VA said too, its possible that he started acting live a violently obsessed fan to the point of commiting robot murder on at least one (or both if the golf win screen is anything to go by) eventually
I think I should mention, that’s not Bonnie’s green room. That’s just where they are storing the stuff from the green room when they made it into Monty’s. The part of the room you didn’t show reveals it opens into the ball return and pin setters behind the lanes.
However, Bonnie did have a dedicated stage down there, and the positioning of the poster right over the vent doesn’t seem like something a common employee would randomly do. Yes, Bonnie most likely did have Monty’s green room before he was broken, but based on his stage in the Bowling alley, he mist have spent plenty of time there performing on his own. Maybe that was like a mini green room down there, a smaller space for him to unwind a little. If I remember right, there is a charging station in the hall leading to that room, just like the ones in the storage rooms behind the main green rooms. The space below the bowling alley certainly doesn’t look big or decorated enough to be a full on green room, but I think it could still be a space dedicated for him. One that was out of sight of customers and didn’t need to be cleaned up when they replaced him with Monty.
@@waddlepikmin227 that makes sense.
Freddy and Bonnie having the strongest bond also makes sense with Fred bear and Spring Bonnie being the first mascots made in universe
Editing this now to say that they're gay and homophobes can die mad
THeY aRe GaY
They are just "good friends" of course
This is exactly what I was thinking, they've known eachother since the start, to lose someone you've known for that long would be devastating.
One could argue the three costumes in the Mimic's room came before them, but those don't count, since they're not animatronics, while FredBear and SpringBonnie are springlock suits, so half the thing
Yes like finn and jake from adventure time the last episode is literally titled together again
Regardless of what's interpreted out of Freddy and Bonnie's relationship, they were very clearly soulmates, which just makes the whole thing extra sad
This is steelwool redeeming themselves for not giving us lesbian vanny
@@Youarewhatyoueatsonicsince when was that a thing
@@Youarewhatyoueatsoniclegitimate question I never heard anyone ask for "lesbian Vanny"
@@blazephoenix5849 Some FNAF AR emails said stuff about how "ness" has rainbow hair. This immediately got fans hyped and then one thing let to another and with the "Vanny and Vanessa being the same person" thing still not being confirmed and had some counter evidence against it (such as the rainbow hair and the funko statue of both of them together) , this let people to think that Vanny x Vanessa was gonna be a thing and the similar names bit being a Jeremy situation
Fun fact: This is also why some early pre security breach Vanny fan art had some Rainbow on it :D
Just before you mentioned the catwalks it immediately hit me what you were about to bring up and it blew my mind.
Say what you will about the storytelling in this series but Ruin had really incredible bits of environmental clues to fill us in on certain characters, from Fazbear Entertainment's story for Bonnie's disappearance, to the cutouts of Cassie with Roxy and Gregory seemingly comforting Cassie.
It's crazy to think that Security Breach really has made the animatronics, well, more like actual characters this time around.
What’s even sadder is the children’s cries you hear around those little bots. Paralyzed, and unable to do anything while watching everyone you care about around you trying to go on with life or going on without a care, it would make anyone cry.
I kinda wish Cassie had a voiceline when finding Bonnie, especially since it's mentioned in collectables that her dad really liked Bonnie and that she was curious about what happened to him.
I had never considered it before, but the idea that glamrock bonnie broke from falling off the catwalks is an idea I can get behind.
Thank you for highlighting how humorously convoluted Monty's coverup was, I didn’t even notice the blanket which explains how Bonnie continues to remain behind the bowling alley when his last sighting was on the catwalks and it shows an interesting piece to Monty's personality!
To be honest, Monty was and still is my favorite of the band. And I do wish that since they clearly seem to be trying to go with this route they would be more honest about how the entire event unfolded. Regardless there is some issues that leave me leaning on the edge of fully blaming Monty. I'll address them below.
Monty's Claws: Yes Monty would have the exoskeleton and endoskeleton with claws before his upgrade. However, it is highly likely that these claws would be closer in shape and destructive force to Roxy's. (I am aware that Monty's legs are the things that are taken from him but his upgrade diagram clearly shows hands and not feet.) Roxy has been shown to have a level of aggression to her and has taken out plenty of staff bots around her raceway. Even though Roxy is smaller in build than Monty she does nor even in a jealous filled rage cause anywhere near the level of damage to a simple staff bot that is shown on Bonnie. Bonnie is a much larger target than a staff bot.
If you take the fact that Monty is closer in size to Freddy then yes you would have a strong amount of force behind an attack, but we have no guide other than Roxy, on how an attack without the improved and notably destructive claws would look from Monty. Monty is the only one in SB capable of busting through metal, chain link fences, which are clearly meant to keep freddy and the gang out of certain areas. If Roxy cannot bust through a metal fence, let alone another other member without these powerful claws then how would Monty be able to deal that kind of raw slashing damage to Bonnie's chest?
The shattering and fracturing could be explained by a fall certainly however the pattern of cracking on the exoskeleton is a common trait that is shared among all of the shattered gang. The same sweeping motions and fracture patterns can be found on every single broken glamrock regardless of how they were injured. As for the green paint, metal paint does not leave that kind of residue unless it is wet and Monty nas no recorded repairs to his exoskeleton or a new paint job during the time in which he would have killed Bonnie. It is hard to tell with the overlapping designs what caused the fracture patterns, and while the injuries are similar to Monty's fall from the catwalks.
Timing and Body: If they are just covering it up with the ride cut outs.. and they know that Bonnie has went missing why would not check his green room? The place where Bonnie would default to going to when injured other than parts and service. If Bonnie enters gator golf at 4:12 AM that does place him in to after hours, (meaning there would be only night staff or closing staff around) however Ruin has shown that there is a lot of cameras in the pizza plex and all around bonnie's bowl. How does a giant, gator carry a body inside of a blanket, without being seen by that many cameras? By someone, or hell recorded by a staff bot encounter.
Monty is not programmed smartly enough to on his own be able to accomplish this feat without being spotted or at the very least he could not have be slinking around without being noticed. One of the only ways Monty could have gotten Bonnie from his golf course to Bonnie Bowl without making a peep would be if Monty somehow knew a back way through the pizza plex. Like Vanny's hidden room which is "surprisingly" right next to Bonnie's Glamroom. Or if Monty was able to somehow be invisible to the cameras like Vanny has shown to be to the glamrock gang (minus Roxy's eyes).
There is more I could comment here but I will leave it here for the most part.. I think that Steelwool has casted the blame on Monty in a cruddy "did he do, or did he not" sort of way. I am sad that they have killed my boy in such a way. I believe the fandom will mostly lean towards Monty being the one to blame, even if Steelwool has some gaps and points left out for the sake of "lore". If it doesn't end up being Monty and its like Vanny, and they killed him off (maybe) for no reason that would really suck.. but ..
I do like your videos, and I enjoyed this one as well, I just needed to get these points off my chest. Keep up the great videos!
The "Relationship" that was between Freddy and Bonnie is notable since the animatronics are treated like assets and not so much like people (if Vanessa's interactions with Freddy are anything to go off of), so it would stand to reason that the animatronics would want to band together and see kinship in this way. This goes deeper for Freddy and Bonnie since they found a deeper kindship with one another. It may not have been "lovers" as some folks think (they kinda lack the parts to go THAT far), but they certainly shared the closest bond. This would tie into why Monty would actually go after Bonnie since all of Monty's asperations is to be the lead of the band and dethrone Freddy, but to do that, he'd need to also get rid of Bonnie since the two were so close, and it showed since with Bonnie gone, it only would take any little thing for Freddy to be replaced with Monty (again, according to Vanessa).
A very interesting take on what happened to Glamrock Bonnie! And probably one of the most saddest I've ever heard. Since the very beginning of the franchise, there has been always a bear and a rabbit. Freddy's 'I miss him' and potential intimate relationship with Bonnie is so heartwrenching because he's the only Freddy that doesn't have his best right-hand bunny...
man your phrasing at the end there got me 😭💔
I would say there is some merit to Monty accidentally pushing bonnie, Maybe the reason why hes so quick to rage now is because of him feeling guilty about getting mad at bonnie and killing him, that's why he put bonnie back in his green room and staged it, he didn't want to get caught, but also remember that the sewers exist, Monty probably could have just hid him, but Monty wanted him to be found because he felt bad. or he could have accidentally slashed him pushing him off, but he didint fully break, so at bonnie bowl he slams him into the wall that smashes his head with a bowling ball (Note the dent in the wall infront of bonnie. idk but I do feel like that big dent in the wall is important.
except bonnie had to have been killed in bonnie bowl because his sensors still would have picked up him being moved to bonnie bowl anyway (he's still alive when you find him there until you deactivate the random bots around him.) it couldn't have been monty willingly (because of more evidence from the logs and more) so either: he was framed, he did it under the control of something else, or he's just being used as a red herring
@@zeemmy33 I dont think the animatronics have sensors because vannesa is looking for Freddy in security breach and only finds him when moon captures him, so theres probably no sensors.
@@FunWare.mp4 im not sure if all of them have them (sort of like how only roxy has special eyes and only chica has a special voice box), but the log "missing" says," SECURITY REPORT - 12:24AM - Bonnie is seen leaving his green room in Rockstar Row heading East towards the atrium. 2:40AM - Bonnie enters the East Arcade. 4:12AM - Bonnie enters Monty Golf." bonnie's seen leaving his green room, but his actual location isn't seen when he enters the east arcade and enters monty golf, which shows there's some kind of sensor system in place for bonnie (even if there isn't, there's very clearly data on wherever he goes to some capacity.)
evidence shows that it was most likely an inside job from fazent, vanny did it, or someone else and monty was framed
Yeah... Perhaps both Monty & Bonnie went over the Catwalk together.... It is mentioned in a few security notes, that Monty had been damaged before by the Giant Bucket (obviously foreshadowing that Gregory needs to do so later)... But it still leaves it open to Who Moved Bonnie's Body.l?
@@zeemmy33 I think the log refers to the security cameras.
Cassie’s father might have been the one to first discover what truly happened to Glambonnie, and that incident might have driven him to quit his technician job at the Pizzaplex. Most items drive home that Bonnie was the favorite character of Cassie’s father.
It would be a pretty cool sendoff for the daughter of Glam Bonnie’s biggest fan to finally set his soul to rest.
Not to mention, she's also the one to finish off Monty.
Who would give up a job because his favorite character isn't there anymore?
I feel it's basically confirmed Monty did it of his own violition, simply because its the Neon Bonnie sign that does him in finally.
Fnaf loves it's karmic justice, and that detail would be pointless otherwise.
I think it's possible Monty felt guilt after to some extent even if he was in denial of said guilt in all likelyhood, and was definitely consistently extra stressed over that fact, hence his rising anger issues and avoiding performing.
But I think he DEFINITELY did it on purpose, at best in some fit of rage.
Also the fact that the fall DOESNT kill Monty himself is a further sign of his intents.
I feel he had to of done a follow up attack to finish Bonnie off given he survives such a fall.
@@JammyJam5588 I think Bonnie and Monty got into an argument while on the catwalks, and Monty in a fit of rage shoved Bonnie. Either the hit caused the hole in Bonnie’s chest, or Monty tried to grab him to keep him from falling but ended up causing the damage. When Bonnie broke apart, Monty (maybe unaware that Bonnie was still alive) grabbed a carpet/sheet and hid Bonnie’s body either in fear of being found out, as a means to get rid of the evidence, or perhaps was regretful and didn’t want to hurt the other bandmates with the news of Bonnie’s decommission.
So yes, at BEST Bonnie’s demise was done in a fit of emotional rage, and at WORST was a deliberate attack from Monty on Bonnie.
Personally. I'm on the mindset Monty isn't the culprit, but if he was. I really hope he lived.
Someone mentioned that the ride could have been true. That Monty really did look up to Bonnie. Then one day got his shot as a band member when Bonnie wasn't able to perform. He loved it. He loved the attention, and didn't want to let it go. Monty wanted to stay in the band longer. So he lured Bonnie. We don't know if it was meant to be an attempt to outright get rid of Bonnie, or just damage him so he would need repairs. Either way Bonnie was severely damaged. Monty may actually have severe guilt for what he did. Explaining why we have messages where he avoids shows. The books showing him just being uncharacteristically silent after a rampage. Going into a depressive state.
This probably would make Monty the best villain in all of FNAF. Cause he isn't just evil for the sake of evil, or some child who was corrupted by their abusive father.
We have a character who is flawed. Who actually had good qualities, but made bad decisions. He didn't kill Bonnie for the lolz or to hurt Freddy. He didn't cackle madly while having a monologue. He was once a potentially good person who got corrupted and now has to live with his actions.
That gets me to Bonnie's glasses. Aside from the neon sign and that kids drawing. Nothing has him wearing them. Not the plush or Pinata. Which has me thinking that Monty didn't steal these glasses from his body. Bonnie willingly gave them to him.
Then that makes this all even more tragic.
I'd like to think the electricity somehow rebooted Monty. Not to his "normal" glam-rock personality, but to a much earlier one. The humble one man jamboree. The Monty before he was corrupted by fame. Bonnie in a way gave Monty a new start in life when he directly (the rides story) or indirectly (What happened in the games universe) helped Monty join the band. Good intentions that led to a bad outcome. Now he's given Monty another chance. (Once again indirectly in universe....we don't have a cute cover up for this)
Really I think it'd be more interesting for Monty to have a redemption arc in the next game.
Not sure how it would work. I would think it shouldn't have Bonnie be fixed. Really show that despite how much Monty tries to make amends, tries to fix everything, tries to undo the damage he caused. He can never truly take away what he did. He's the reason Bonnie is gone. That's something he's going to have to live with.
That to me is the best way they can use Monty if it doesn't turn out it wasn't a red herring.
Than to just have him outright die from karma and basically bury the whole thing.
I really love this comment 😭😭
@@anthonyloveschickens I appreciate that
Holy heck wait this is good
Really excellent theory! A good way to bring all the in-game clues together. I did have a moment when the piñata Bonnie was brought up where my brain went “what if the Mimic saw some kids absolutely destroying a Bonnie piñata and the Mimic just went ham on the real Bonnie.” I don’t think there’s anything there because there’s plenty of evidence against the Mimic killing Bonnie, but it was at least funny for a second!
We know that the mimic was trapped in the basement at some point, but do we know that it was trapped _during the time when security breach takes place?_
If not, the mimic suddenly becomes a major suspect for Bonnie's murder, as they have an even more obvious motive than Monty. Other people have noticed that Bonnie's arms have been pulled off, which is something that the mimic is known to do (though this is admittedly very weak evidence).
I find it inconsistent that some animatronics can get damaged so horribly and yet still pursue our POV characters like Monty. Monty is a quarter of his former self. he fell and as he was falling he was crushed and bisected his claws were taken and later on through neglect he was stripped of his outer panels and who knows what else happened to him. Meanwhile Bonnie got his chest slashed open (one that is usually empty for cakes and oversized pinatas.... and children) arm ripped (I think it is just one arm that is ripped) and his head casing cracked and that's it he ded. Really Bonnie? come on dude stop playing and walk it off.
i dont think he can walk...
crawl it off maybe?
There may be some kind of brain equivalent? Like he can’t get back up because some important processor was damaged, and maybe it got out okay with Monty (for the most part, see Ruin /hj)? Idk about robotics but I could understand that because they could’ve fallen differently and/or Monty could’ve specifically targeted it (being a robot himself, perhaps he knew about it. Tho freddy didn’t know about endos until Gregory showed him, so maybe Monty’s just lucky. or really mangled him bad, and Gregory couldn’t do the same to him being a kid and not a roboticist). and since monty is made to be in the catwalks, he could also have more protection for his endo in case he does fall (they wouldn’t expect the ball container to drop on him too but that extra protection could be what helped him out. we don’t know how close a call it could’ve been). Lots of explanations 🤔
@@SketchUTgoing off the theory of robot brain damage causing paralysis, I wonder if he fell from the catwalks as the result of a temper tantrum from Monty, wherein he swung without thinking. Monty could have found him knocked out on the floor and seen an opportunity, then took him back to Bonnie Bowl and finished him off with a bowling ball to the head while he was incapacitated. Gruesome but possible. It's also possible that in spite of Monty's general stupidity, he knew what parts kept the animatronic running and gutted Bonnie while he was unconscious in order to remove specific parts so he wouldn't get back up. Like you said, many possibilities.
It could have the virus allowing him to survive the Damage
@@nugget1631 oooo yeah that could totally happen imo! I personally like the idea of Monty just having insane luck, and grabbing at random stuff he manages to get the right thing, but it also could be knowledge they all have, even if barebones. Stupidity and intelligence can coexist in different realms, so he could just be great at knowing animatronic parts but like. nothing else hdkdhdksb
I thought the exact same thing... but I was not expecting you to say "yeah so it's kinda implied Freddy and Bonnie might have been a thing."
Actually though it would explain Monty and Freddy's bad relationship. Freddy isn't over Bonnie and isn't readily accepting his replacement, and Monty isn't treated as warmly and openly by Freddy as he is by the others.
ETA god guys stop fighting I don't even necessarily LIKE Glamrock Freddy x Glamrock Bonnie nor do I think it's solid irrefutable evidence I just kinda also was on the same thought train of "yeah that does kinda potentially suggest that" and then was taken by surprise when NRN NAA said the same
True! If Monty’s ride tells a narrative story, then Monty adding a headless Freddy statue is his way of telling what happened next. Given the spotlights, Freddy and Monty weren’t super close, but it was after Monty became a glamrock that Monty HATED Freddy.
Just... No.
@@thenightscythe2030 ?
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@@thenightscythe2030 ...wat
I never liked the idea of Monty killing Bonnie. I didn’t like the idea of Monty just being an irredeemable, murderous jerk. But the idea of it being an _accident?_ Of him shoving Bonnie a little too hard, maybe out of anger or maybe even in a joking manner (sure, the first seems more likely but imagine if they were friends just joking around and roughhousing) and Bonnie falling over and breaking?? And Monty hiding this out of fear or guilt? Holy shit I love that. That idea has changed how I feel on it entirely by framing it in a new context.
His heightened violence to the point of destructive rage could be because of the virus, but what if it was also his way of coping with grief and guilt? What if he kept going back to the catwalks, not because he’s stupid (though it’s still a dumb thing to do), but because he’s _mourning?_ What if he goes back there because it’s the last place he saw his friend alive?
And my god, the irony of him being broken the same way he caused Bonnie to break is just beautiful. Way better than him ripping apart Bonnie with his own hands. Both of them breaking the _same way_ is so good.
I think Monty killing Bonnie on accident is great because it turns Monty from an asshole to a _tragic_ asshole. It was still most likely his fault for being too rough or aggressive, but him not meaning to kill Bonnie adds an extra layer of tragedy to the whole thing.
I don't necessarily get a "they were lovers" vibe off the things Freddy said/wrote about/to Bonnie. More like the kind of friendship they'd have if they were human and had been friends since they were toddlers. As best I can tell, there's nothing concrete definitively stating it either way, so I'm all in favor of reading it whichever way you want, that's just the impression I get of the situation.
This is the most mature take I’ve seen someone have when disagreeing. Some of the comments are so obviously trying to make excuses for why they don’t like that type of relationship
@@Youarewhatyoueatsonic he just said that it's more likely to be a close friendship (in his opinion)
What if Bonnie and Monty were just talking to each other on the catwalks, a nice safe place away from cameras, maybe where they could talk about Monty becoming the new bass player. When Bonnie slipped and started to fall off the catwalk, Monty reached out to try and save Bonnie, but forgot about his new claws. The claws ripped a hole in Bonnie’s chest as he fell from the catwalks. Monty, feeling guilty and scared, dragged Bonnie’s body to Bonny Bowl, a place that would be more fitting for Bonny, and he placed the wet floor signs around him. Monty then breaks a bowling ball on the wall as a “burial ritual”
If this is correct, then it could be possible that Monty wanted to be "friends" with Bonnie, but he lost his mind over the relationship with Freddy. A "friend's" quarrel that made Monty angry and harm the one friend he really wanted. It also explains his constant bitterness toward Freddy and also why Bonnie could have been so comfortable leaving his dressing room to see Monty, to have a chat. Truly tragic.
My theory about the leg upgrade is that Bonnie initially had upgraded legs(which makes sense because he’s a bunny). After Monty’s murder Fazbear Entertainment probably went “where’s Bonnie? Eh, ah well. We’ll just give Monty Bonnie’s upgrades” which is why Monty can leap so high in his boss fight and thus why he initially had his legs be the upgraded part of him
I feel compelled to wonder how much abuse these animatronics can take while still being able to move around. If we add some Remnant into G. Bonnie, is he able to come to life? Monty was still moving along fine and he was just running off of spite and idiocy.
"Just running off of spite and idiocy" lmaoooo
Minor point but that final wet floor bot doesn't spawn unless you deactivate every other bot. So those really are the last four wet floor signs in the game
The one detail that doesn't match up to me, is that Bonnie died before Monty had the sharp claws. It was only after Bonnie was dead that his claws, and potentially his glasses too that Monty got them.
I would assume that Monty used to have claws like Freddy, Roxy, and maybe Chica too (I'm not entirely sure) and, based on how Freddy was unable to open certain areas unless he had the sharp claw updates that Monty got from Bonnie, including being unable to open metal (fences but still metal). That would mean, that at the time of Bonnie's death, Monty wouldn't have been able to cause the claw damage on Bonnie's chest.
This could simply be an oversight, and if it is I don't blame the developers as it can be easy to forget that Monty didn't always have those sharp claws like Bonnie did. Even I forgot for a while and Monty is my favorite character but that reason, that detail alone is why I still don't entirely think that Monty did it, because how could he possibly make those claw marks, if he didn't have the claws to do it?
I loved how you pointed out that Bonnie has the same damage as Monty did from falling from the catwalks, and the blanket too! I never even noticed those things, and unfortunately a lot of the evidence does point Monty, which is a shame but it would make sense with the evidence we have. (Love your content btw! It's nice to listen to in the background while im doing stuff, or jist to sit there and watch in general! Great video and good points that i haven't heard anyone else talk about!)
Honestly this theory makes Monty a more interesting character. To me he felt to be the one that was the most underdeveloped((besides chica)) as he was very surface level,at least this helps him stand out and it makes me wish they kept Monty longer and not have him die in the water,it was poetic justice but a lot more could have been done with him
@@notdeadyet3680 Mhm, I completely agree
Im not sure if Steel Wool would really jump through so many hoops since it feels like the story is kind of simple and cut and dry (Monty kills bonnie) but this could be explained if we made Roxy the one who dismantles Bonnie as she has sharp claws with green tips, which would be more explainable than Monty’s paint transferring over when even with his claws his claw tips were purple. With how she gets to show up during Monty’s ride doing something for him(his hair to be specific) but not Chica or Freddy, There could be some sort of motive too, but thats just theorycrafting to explain away Monty’s lack of claws during the incident
@@mightaswell Mhm, that's true. I doubt that Roxy would do it, but considering that she seems like she's the second most aggressive animatronic, she could do it as well. She may not have a motivate, but it would make sense, since claw marks like that also wouldn't have the finger paint come off during them unless Monty was shoving his whole hand in there to make the marks, and Roxy is the only one with green claws
@@zenoluvswof9936 I definitely don't think Roxy did it, If she did then all that character development she had in Ruin would all just go down the drain, Plus, I don't think Steel Wool would even redeem Roxy if she was the one who killed Bonnie.
Holy hell I figured Bonnie’s fate was horrible, but the way you explained it made it even more hurtful...
Also it lowkey reminds me of Lonely Freddy
Wow. This is the first FNAF theory video with no assumptions and complete evidence I’ve seen this far. Not even Game Theory’s videos are completely evidential; you CRUSHED this!
Thank you! 8D
As a Monty enjoyer it makes me sad that the DLC confirms he killed Bonnie. The fandom was already slandering him before this confirmation, this is only going to add fuel to the fire 😞
On a lighter note I really love Glamrock Bonnie's design. The color scheme is so nice 🐰💜💙
No, it doesn't confirm that Monty did it willingly.
@@prufan also I watched a theory video that suggests someone framed Monty, so who knows
I feel the same with the poster from Fredyh. I have always seen them as the best of friends or even as brothers but now you are hard pushed to find anything of the two of them without it being gay.
on a VERY off-topic note, on 6:20, look at Vanessa's nail color. it's frickin purple >:D
also, it would kinda make sense with Fronnie being a thing, especially the hinting and implications, and tbh, it's kinda cute yet so sad :(
You can only hope that Bonnie might get a chance to see Freddy again. Or at least give Freddy closure...
When Ruin came out and all the stuff about Bonnie was uncovered, my friend and I were talking about how interesting it was that every game- Afton and Henri's hatred for each other seems to grow (for good reason mind you) while Bonnie and Freddy, their respective creations, grow closer through every game (no matter what form you can view their relationship as). It's super neat
I have a few thoughts. Firstly, it's not impossible that Bonnie could get on the catwalks above Gator Golf because in one of the collectable messages in Security Breach it is said that they find Monty "Where they always do" on the catwalks above Gator Golf and they don't act like he shouldn't be up there at all, so animatronics can definitely access those. I don't see why Monty would really have more access there than the rest of the gang even if it's named after him. Secondly, I think the falling of the catwalks is a compelling theory and I like it, It makes sense that the scene is staged when Bonnie has been positively ripped apart yet he lays like he's just fallen and there are clearly strong parallels between his and Monty's damage from falling (so, great job with this video, that's incredibly strong evidence!). My only problem is that Monty is said to only get those claw upgrades that he wrecks everything with after taking Bonnie's place (so, he can actually play bass), I know it was originally gonna be his legs taken so him not having claws before that could be a retcon but surely they would think about this when making Bonnie's damage (at least I hope so). I had the exact same thought about the mimic-did-it theories, why would it be around, so I agree with your theory there too. I just feel like these interpersonal relationships' between Bonnie, Freddy, and Monty are particularly important but that's really just my gut feeling.
I will say again, really good job on this theory, I think it's great and the most solid one for why Bonnie's here; his... Friendship with Freddy; and Monty's jealousy/idealization.
To add to the Freddy+Bonnie relationship is that their earrings are on opposite ears
Also there's a slight link to Fredbear+Spring Bonnie, with them being basically the 2 original animatronics
I agree with your take about Bonnie. I wish Monty hadn’t been responsible, but it most very likely is his fault (even if it wasn’t on purpose). So I don’t feel as bad in wrecking Monty (especially in Ruin), but it’s a shame his character and Chica’s character never got redemption. I’m glad at least Roxy got her redemption.
Your theory about Freddy & Bonnie being in a relationship is actually very interesting. It would make more sense however I never thought of it like that I just thought they were very close friends
THey ArE gAy
Historian behavior
They got matching earrings (marriage rings~)
@@billie-ve_in_yourself6464 I didint even realize that lol.
And they were roommates
For drama and angst purposes, i like to imagine that Monty and Bonnie were on the catwalk, talking or arguing about something, Bonnie gets on Monty's nerves and he strikes without thinking. Bonnie falls off the catwalk and crashes to the floor. Monty panics, not meaning to have actually killed Bonnie. They might not have always seen eye to eye, but he was still a friend. Monty couldn't get in trouble though, he'd be scrapped if they found out what he'd done. So he did what he had to and covered his tracks. But as we see in modern day, Glamrock Bonnie is still alive. Alive, and seething with rage towards Monty
So Mark's joke theory was kinda right? Bonnie "slipped" and "hurt his head" with the bowling ball, and Monty hid his body surrounded by the wet floor bots so no one would know. That's actually really funny. It's also really poetic that Monty suffered the same/similar damage that he inflicted onto Bonnie.
I like your theory! Makes complete sense to me.
Here's the odd thing though. Monty didn't get his signature claws until AFTER Bonnie went missing. Monty's claws allow him to play the bass, but he wasn't the bass player until after Bonnie went missing. Monty is being framed. The Mimic was free at one point during the run of the Pizzaplex, something revealed in the books. My theory, The Mimic Chased Bonnie on the Catwalks, and then he was pushed off by the Mimic, who does have claws. Monty found the body, and thought he was going to be blamed. So he took Bonnie's body to the back of Bonnie Bowl, and he did his part of the cover up.
Monty had claws, just not bassist playing claws.
My theory is that Bonnie was planning some kind of escape from the pizzaplex, probably with Freddy. But Vanessa put a stop to it and used Monty to put Bonnie out of commission.
The problem with the theory about Monty doing the damage is that the messages imply that Monty didn't receive those killer claws until Bonnie disappeared
Yeah but also Monty having an aggressive personality and temper could make him act out.he doesn’t need claws to do damage as he’s shown to be strong as hell,I doubt the claw modifiers made him stronger just made him more effective at wrecking things
@@notdeadyet3680 ".he doesn’t need claws to do damage as he’s shown to be strong as hell"
When? Monty is never shown without his claws.
@notdeadyet3680 yeah but it's also implied that he's violent tendencies started after he got the claw upgrades, destroying everything he came across. Which also explains why in his promotional art (the ones you see painted in the walls) he is shown with a more laid back personality, but just my opinion of course
Monty always had claws, ffs stop making excuses of his innocence. This community has been doing that for almost 3 years now.
@@DylTheRetroDemonThe video itself mentioned the claw upgrade for monty to play the bass, Stop making excuses to incriminate monty
Edit: this comment is different, I wanted to rewrite it so it didn’t come off as “Your wrong, I’m right.” I’ll keep my points the same, I’m just going to reword some ramblings and try to check my tone.
This theory is by far my favorite SB theory by now. Probably top 5 fnaf theories of all time. It’s well put together and has details I never noticed (falling Bonnie). Clearly a huge amount of research and care went into this. I mostly want to speculate and propose alternatives.
One alternative could be Vanny, as we know Bonnie’s room has a vent that leads to Fazerblast and the third princess quest minigame. This room is obviously important to Vanny, but that minigame holds the key to stopping Glitchtrap. If that game was there the whole time, Vanny would want complete control over that room, giving her a motive to off Bonnie. It’s also possible Bonnie saw too much or was in the way of Vanny using that vent. Vanny has a disassemble button for not only the staff bots, but for the animatronics as well (scrapped concept but still). It is possible Vanny controlled Monty by ordering him to “disassemble Bonnie,” which would explain his injuries. However, this doesn’t explain the bowling ball or location.
I also think there’s more to explore with where did Bonnie actually die, and how did Monty make a decent cover up. I never noticed the Blanket under bonnie, so keen eye there. The weird mark on the wall can be from a thrown bowling ball like you said. I like details I never noticed.
My speculation is Vanny was involved, but is not the direct culprit. The Bonnie last seen message presumably sparked-albeit a bad-investigation. If Monty was seen dragging a large blanket to Bonnie bowl it would have been reported unless the person writing the report chose not to mention it. Vanny I think would mention Monty offing Bonnie, if only to get rid of Monty. The only reason she’s keep him around is if she’s got him under lock and key already. Vanny’s been taking kids well before Gregory, and made the disassemble button before Gregory was well. Vanny’s likely been tampering with the animatronics before the virus (maybe why eclipse is weird? Didn’t steel wool say Moon isn’t effected by the virus? That could be wrong info).
Again, this theory is amazing. I haven’t seen a fnaf theory this well done since Matpats fnaf 2 theory. The composition of the video is very professional and I’m a sucker for a narrative story. Love the FreddyxBonnie bit (they’ve got matching earrings, that’s pretty much engagement rings lol). Very fun to watch, you did a wonderful job. I just like speculating.
But why would Vannesa/Vanny want to harm Bonnie? What does she gain from losing someone she can have control over? When she couldn't control Freddy she just beheaded him. Why have Monty do any of that? Why eliminate Bonnie? What does she gain?
Additonal point: Vanessa didn't control the glamrocks until the night the game takes place, that's why Freddy bugged out, remember? She had the staffbots, who have no persoanlities to override and far less complex computers to hack. But not the glamrocks. Not until the night she tried to get Gregory.
Additional point 2: The phrasing of the messages about night staff and Vanessa's hiring makes it sound recent, plus you find the destroyed staff meeting. But the notices about Bonnie seemed to have happened earlier. A lot of the "Vanessa did it" points stem from the assumption (not even theory, assumption) Vanessa was even an employee at the time. But there's no proof she was.
@@aromaladyellie my main point is that Bonnie was, in a way, a threat. I could be wrong on my theory, and I probably am. But for the sake of discussion I imagine Glitchtrap would want his one weakness on lock down. I dont know if she had the button during Bonnie’s death, but she’s likely been tampering with things for a while. Her costume can’t be seen by any of the animatronics and she’s been kidnapping kids for a while. Why haven’t the animatronics noticed? Maybe Bonnie noticed Vanny using the vent or being around a kid. Or maybe Vanny wanted his hideout room and the princess quest 3 minigame.
I like your point about Vanny being recent. I genuinely haven’t thought of that. Going by the newspaper in the leave ending, Vanny’s been efficient at the Pizzaplex for a while. She’s got a costume that keeps the animatronics from seeing her (although she might have stolen it from a level 5 technician). She’s also got a disassemble button that was originally going to work on the glamrocks (scrapped concept). Given the sleepovers she’s been having with peepaw Afton I just think she’s been here a while. If Vanessa/Vanny didn’t write the Bonnie last seen message, then who did? The message is extremely wrong, claiming Bonnie was last seen in Monty golf. Vanessa’s also Been attending a LOT of Faz therapy, multiple sessions with multiple therapists. I don’t know how old those new hire messages are, but it Vanny would have to be Sonic to get that much done that quickly.
This theory is actually insane - it's very close to what I'd be 100% with. For me it's far more perfect if it's not a setup, but literally what happened. Monty and Bonnie really did just have a run-in with one another on the catwalks and Bonnie fell off.
I know it'll never be hard-confirmed because this is FNAF but that would be my headcanon.
For this to have been just a slight altercation, into Bonnie falling off almost by accident, and Monty hiding his body and finishing him off, this is way more believable than Vanny disposing of Bonnie (since clearly it wasn't his endo that she needed) or Monty killing him because he was 'jealous' and somehow getting promoted for it. No, Bonnie just got on Monty's turf, Monty started getting on his ass for it, Bonnie dropped from the catwalks and Monty had to scramble to cover it up (which 'worked').
I wish i knew what the hell is going on in Bonnies and Freddy relationship, because tbh it wasnt until we got into bonnies showroom where i started thinking about them being more than just friends, because the words are just so weirdly placed, they seem the type of 'friends' to know exactly where eachother are and send eachother plushies and gifts or something like that in 'secret' ( 'secrets' like everyone knew but kept it to themselves) i cant imagine how bonnie and chica would feel if they knew he was behind the bowling alley, not somewhere safe and being repaired or gone rouged and left forever, he was just left there
5:18 I think they had a brother like relationship somewhere to how Mario Luigi had that type of relationship in the Mario movie.
I agree
I loveee this! It was a super cool detail you pointed out where Bonnie and Monty's damage is virtually the same. The tarp was a brilliant deduction to point out as well. I feel bad about Monty just sort of... I don't know. Being introduced only to be the guy who did it. And in RUIN, only his rage remains and he lost all rational thought. His motivations for killing Bonnie are unclear, but... Due to some interviews with the voice actor, joking that Freddy and Monty would be Gay Strippers together. Sure, he was teasing about it, but coupled with the "notice me Freddy Senpai" joke as well... I can't help but think that Monty wanted what Bonnie had with Freddy, and .... well, he did this. Not that this got him into the good graces with Freddy. Even if Freddy doesn't know.... Getting Monty's parts is the least distressing upgrade Freddy gets. And in game "I could open this gate if I had Monty's claws" I know is a hint to the player to point them where to go. But Freddy just sounds so: "Well, I'm not suggesting we should decommission Monty Gregory, but ya know if something were to happen~ WINK!" tone to it over him suggesting how to open Chica's door. While Freddy probably doesn't know and can't prove anything... Monty always seemed the one Freddy seemed the least close to. As he seemed not that concerned about getting Monty's claws. He didn't ask if Monty was okay like he did with Chica or Roxanne. He sounded like he wanted Gregory to be honest about where he got the parts cause "Monty will be so angry if you hurt him" type of attitude. Also Gator Golf was the last place Bonnie went missing, and Monty has Bonnie's Base and Bonnie's Sunglasses... So... Monty probably broke Bonnie cause he was jealous.... or... maybe Bonnie knew and was rubbing it in his face... Hard to say. But I really think Monty was jealous of their bond, so he tried to break it to get closer... but it didn't work... and now he sulks above the catwalks, and finitizes about throwing Freddy in the trash too. Anyways... Awesome Video and I was looking forward to this one for a long time.
Oh, yeah, Monty and Freddy absolutely hate each other. That much isn't ambiguous or controversial.
please i'm begging on my knees for sources on the gay stripper jokes that sounds so funny-
@@nathangamble125 We talking about the same himbo bear, right?
Even if we take the dark ride at face value, it's still very possible that Monty killed him. There are plenty of cases where admirers kill the object of their affection/obsession. Bonnie might have elected Monty to replace him to focus on Bonnie bowling or just for some R&R. But Monty, seeing that people still liked Bonnie more, likely would have gotten angry. Bonnie may have gone to gater golf to give him some pointers but Monty feeling insecure about himself, lashed out at Bonnie, knocking him over by mistake. He panicked and staged an accident, only for Fazbear Entertainment to not even care Bonnie went missing. It would also explain why his own green room is a mess. Monty knows he doesn't deserve his possession with the anger of being considered a lesser performer and the guilt over Bonnie fueling his rage against everyone and everything, including himself. Gregory wrecking him and being abandoned would have exasperated his problems to the point of becoming feral.
I mean the image on the Caution bots is of an animatronic falling and this theory makes the most sense as to why the 'pat-pats' were even involved with the Bonnie storyline. Lovely sleuthing, keep up the great work!!
No, no, no! Markiplier (with a teeny tiny help from Dawko) figured out what happened. You see, Bonnie was back in Bonnie Bowling, doing that one finger bowling ball spin that he does, when he lost control and the ball whipped off against the wall and then back at him, killing him. Monty went to go check on him and slipped and fell down, accidently landing on Bonnie and causing those claw marks. Seeing how dangerous this area was, Monty got the wet floor bots and stationed them around Bonnie's corpse as to prevent other people from slipping and falling too. So you see, Monty is actually the hero of this story and not the villain!
As we all know, Fazbear Entertainment replaced all the bowling balls with rubber and C4 to cut costs
I love this theory so much, Bonnie and Freddy's relationship looks to me like an odd paralel to Henry and Afton, but as well the Monty history looks a bit like Steelwolf taking the lore torch from Scott
Even if Monty did it, I believe it was an accident and not out of jealousy or to want to take his spot.
Theres a message log on the base sb a lot of people actively ignore, the one that mentions monty missing various of the glamrocks performances and going to the monty golf catwalks, while most likely its just there to foreshadow shattered monty (mentions a previous accident at the catwalks) it still makes me think why would monty miss those performances if he (literally) killed someone for joining them, and why would he go always to the catwalks seemingly to hide?
Not gonna lie, Ruin's reveal of Glam Bonnie and the backstory behind it were helpful for me. As a fanfiction writer with my own Five Nights series posted online and being popular enough that my phone was going nuts with notifications when I was posting it more quickly, I touched on Bonnie in the first part but it was posted when SB was just really released. Now I can update it in the fourth upcoming part (Ruin storyline but competent young adults) and I love it
That's awesome! I love hearing that! 8D
I’m not a massive fan of the fashion choice he has going on (why is Freddy nude while all his bandmates have clothes?), I concur that this really does complete his posthumous arc in a satisfying and mature way.
One may even compare the circumstance of being in an extremely painful, but conscious, state and watching the world around you continue while you’re sealed away to the fate of Afton and being locked away for 30 years.
It must be refreshing to talk about something competent and likable after going through that ridiculous MPreg story.
All of the animatronics seem to have varying styles tbh, Monty has the more golf-y type of outfit, roxys wearing her racing uniform, and chica and Bonnie have fitness clothing. And Freddy’s… freddys naked, I guess.
@@Youarewhatyoueatsonic The way clothes work in these games for the animatronic is just really odd.
1 had everyone in the nude besides Foxy, who had pants.
2 had T. Chica specifically wear pants. Plus BB is fully clothed, I guess.
3 and 4 uphold what the previous games did for returning characters.
5 had the ladies entirely clothed, but everyone else nude.
6 kept the standard of all returning characters.
Security Breach has everyone EXCEPT Freddy (and Music Man?) wear some damn pants.
Consistently, Freddy’s been a streaker, mostly because he has the ego of his name being on the front door. Hell, he even insists on being nude when Baby took over that one time. I demand a video on this very essential and not stupid continuity, NotAtAll.
@@YouarewhatyoueatsonicThere's nothing more glamrock than full nudity.
I'd like to believe that Monty and Bonnie were at least friends, maybe Monty was in a mood and Bonnie tried to sooth him but got damaged in the process, maybe even knocked off the catwalks where Monty, like many people that accidentally cause similar incidents, tried to hide and disguise said incident instead of telling those who could have helped and probably understood.
Friends use the word love too. Remember love comes in many forms. People love their family and friends
This could also explain why Monty skips out on performances at times to hang out on the catwalks. He probably feels some guilt or he at least knows how Bonnie was decommissioned
I feel the Freddy signed poster may be because Freddy and Bonnie have been friends for over 45 years at this point.
it's sad how we can love a character we never truly got to interact with and meet in the security breach franchise. I can personally say, Bonnie is my favorite in security breach, his story is something of mystery and friendship, and close connections. His friends loved him and Freddy really, really misses him. He was loved by the kids so much that they asked for him for so long. If we truly never get to see Bonnie revived in any way, and there is no ending where Freddy finally has him back, if there is no possibility of getting the M.X.E.S. system back up to turn Bonnie back on (because it seems like he's somehow connected to that like Roxy and the little cleaner bots.) everyone will surely miss the bunny they never got a chance to meet when this is over.
9:56 unpopular theory: monty only became aggressive AFTER bonnie got shattered, similar to how Freddy grieves bonnie’s decommissioning, monty possibly destroys things and even becomes aggressive towards staff to cope, he had a one sided friendship to Bonnie, bonnie focusing on the main band instead of him… so he became aggressive once he found out bonnie was decommissioned. And he may have actually been an ally, but Vanny might have pushed monty to his breaking point (pun intended). Vanny may have forced monty to do it, and monty only becomes Angry after Bonnies death
I love that you went Columbo on this mystery and interrupted yourself with one more thing you noticed. 'One more thing Mr... uh, gator was it? Yeah, I was looking at the pattern of the bowling ball damage and I just can't quite figure out how that could cause this specific torso damage.'
Great video, I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt like Bonnie and Freddy were in love. That signed poster is so bitter sweet knowing all we know now.
It's strange, we have so much evidence that we can piece together, but things just don't seem to add up.
Like for example, people have been saying that Bonnie really *did* give up his position for Monty, and after that, his "greenroom" became that area behind the curtains in Bonnie bowl. But that doesn't make any sense, seeing as one of the notes you pick up states that he leaves his greenroom in *Rockstar Row,* then ends in Gator Golf. So it seems like he was still in the band before he was decommissioned.
To me, the Gator Golf ride is the cover up, not actually Monty's backstory. One of the other notes states that they don't have anything to tell the kids asking about Bonnie.
Either that, or Bonnie really *did* give up his position. Whether willingly, or forcefully. Because that would explain why his new room is in Bonnie bowl. But again, there's that note that says he left his room in Rockstar Row.
Oh, now there's a theory. Bonnie was shelved because of Monty, Bonnie confronts Monty one night, and something goes terribly wrong.
Let’s hear it…
I like all the points for this aside from the bowling ball itself- The damage on Bonnie's head is circular. I kind of assumed Monty picked it up and finished Bonnie off after dragging him to where he ended up. Maybe he was still alive- That fall DIDN'T kill Monty after all, he was still able to move, hence why he'd gone the route of removing his limbs. Perhaps not having any other ideas, he grabbed a bowling ball and finished him off so hard the ball broke and shattered, along with Bonnie's head case and possibly memory cards etc. Maybe Monty was trying not to get caught?
I mean, maybe, but the damage on his head doesn't really match it. It matches the catwalk fall. If you look, he has that same would that Monty has on the eye.
I agree that Monty could've taken apart Bonnie's limbs so he couldn't move, and that as of Ruin Bonnie is largely uploaded into the wet floor bots, explaining why he shuts down when they are.
I do believe that all the animatronics had their personalities messed with. Roxy being narcassitic but in Ruin she’s back to her original personality. I do think Monty wasn’t always aggressive. I wonder if this is the mimic’s doing on copying his code to other animatronics and things that make them more violent and aggressive. I think Game Theory needs to see this. That small detail at the crime scene you made is very interesting.
The amount of fanart that will be spawned with the phrase "together forever" is scary
Now I wonder if he was hooked up to the wet floor bots in the OG game too. might be why theyre very attentive to Gregory and Freddy's movements or if this was a recent connection. Maybe it be possible to salvage his computer components completely and uploade him onto a harddrive or laptop for mobility
or one of the spare endos, all of the main bots have personality chips which i assume can be transplanted onto fresh endos quite easily
I did saw once in the endo blueprints that imply that they have brains inside them,it may be a litlle complicated to transfer it to others,and it is stated in the fazbear frights that once the blood gets to the metal it fuses forever
I think the damage being caused by a fall from the catwalk makes the most sense. We know Monty can't have caused those scratches by himself, because he's only able to make those deep cuts due to his bassist claws - which we know he didn't HAVE until after Bonnie went missing.
I think Monty accidentally or intentionally pushed Bonnie off the catwalk.
I agree! His injuries line up exactly with Monty's after he fell, so it would make sense.
I didn't think of the floor bots like that. Imagine that Bonnie was able to view what was going on through the Pizzaplex with those, sorta like someone on a security camera being able to view everything in a building but you have no ability to interact with what you see. He would have been forced to see Freddy greave, Roxy and Chica deal with their own problems, Gregory's stuff in SB, and then worst of all, seeing Monty thriving. It was probally like being in a Purgatory.
Great deductions all around, this just makes the tragedy look so perfectly executed. Whether or not this is intentional by Steel Wool or not, I hope some artists and writers use this to make incredible and interesting fan works.
Honestly Monty being less than smart and accidentally killing Bonnie is my favorite theory because he’s my favorite of the band and convinced me to write a cringe fanfic just because I want a happy ending that we probably won’t get
Also Freddy and Bonnie being gay is amazing and you cannot convince me that it isn’t canon
I agree with what you’ve said, because it makes so much more sense than anything else I’ve seen other people cover. His anger towards Freddy also helps prove this; a headless Freddy (foreshadowing to the ending or not), and the Freddy in the trash in the Golf arcade game show that he may look up to Freddy, but he could be very opportunistic.
Also, I think since Bonnie is connected to the wet floor bots, they may have children screaming from them because he may have seen people die there. We know people have died or gone missing, so he may have been watching this all happen while he was just trapped there, unable to do anything.
I remember seeing someone say maybe that’s why he was in Monty Golf in the first place: because he heard someone in danger and ran off to investigate.
I think you've got it. Your solution lines up with how steel wool was focussed on environmental storytelling with the tarp and the cable, so I'm absolutely sold on it.
I'm inclined to say the initial fall was an accident though. If it was cold-blooded murder, the only motivation would have been to join the band in Bonnie's stead. But we know that Monty skips out on performances regularly, so he clearly isn't that attached to the position. I think Monty got angry and swung without thinking, and did his best to cover his tracks, like you said.
Still, it's kind of strange to me, that from all band members Freddy is the one in the shadow, it looks like Monty liked all of them, and admired Bonnie, but didn't like Freddy at all. Why would people who made that attraction and cover up story do that? It doesn't make any sense for them to show that kind of emotion towards any of their characters.
Maybe, we will get lore continuation, that, maybe, Monty wanted to kill Freddy, but confused him with Bonnie instead, isn't dark in the golf area? Who knows. But Bonnie laying there really looks like a bad cover up from Monty. It would be even more tragic if Bonnie got that by accident.
Also, it's really sad and dark, that Bonnie gets your attention and leads you to him by floor signs. I like that moment so much, it's a nice twist.
Okay but the idea of freddy and bonnie being together being hinted by the canon is just so cute 💗
The hint that F and B were possibly romantically involved is a bittersweet surprise. Thanks for sharing!
The wording could just mean that GR Freddy & GR Bonnie had a relationship akin to brothers
Monty didn't get his claws until AFTER he replaced Bonnie
He had claws, not bass playing claws.
Honestly dont know how i feel about Glamrock Freddy and Glamrock Bonnie being an item. Never really cared much for that ship (though i do appreciate canon queer robots), not really that much into shipping my animatronic bear father with anyone.
However, I'm still on the fence about Monty killing Bonnie. You raise some excellent points, and i'll definetly revise my thoughts and theories with your points in mind, however something about all of this still irks me. Though I dont really know what. Again, I need to revise my thoughts.
Had to fight some tears at the end of this. Another great video, thank you
So, my theory is that Bonnie Knew Something Was Up, and asked Monty to shred him in hopes of delaying the plans of the thing in the pit. That he would rather *die* than suffer Afton or anything pretending to be him, and if for some reason they *needed* him for some part of that plan? Then the best way to throw a wrench in is to arrange for himself to be taken *out.*
Monty has the capability, Bonnie probably had a plan to evade detection, possibly through the tunnels? And then switching into whatever the equivalent is to Airplane mode is for an advanced robot.
It's possible Freddy found out, knew that Bonnie had made a decision and he wasn't gonna talk his beloved friend out of it no matter how hard he begged... which might explain why Freddy doesn't seem to hold any animosity towards Monty.
It's also possible that the gang did it together, which is why all three animatronics are having A Rough Time at current. If the four of them just had to rip apart their friend for the greater good, they'd all be going through system overloads worth of feels that would likely lead to a more pronounced expression of harmful personaity traits.
If its true that parts of him were intended for the Afton Mimic, I'm gonna guess a very specific piece was removed when his chest was ripped open. Something needed.