I don't think it goes flat with the seats down. In another video it looked like how the Defender is, with a big step up plateau. Unless it's just an issue with the prototype.
Doesn't look like a good sleep platform setup without removing the rear seats and possibly building a platform. I've got an 05 that I have a platform in.
There is another video where they did, and it's a no go. It's like 5ft with the seats flipped up. The guy I think said he was 5'8 and could only fit on a diagonal all scrunched up.
Platinum series is going be crazy expensive and targeted for specific people. With the third row and added weight for comfort, Toyota should put the GX550 V6TT into it.
This thing is still body on frame and it’ll still be Made in Japan. I’m sold 🤌🏽🔥. My wife got 5th Gen Trail-Premium, as much as like it too, it was long overdue for a complete redesign. Everyone wants to complain that it’s to similar to the Taco but forget that the 1st Gen 4Runner was pretty much a Toyota Truck.
@@wurlitzer78 are we gonna act like Toyota haven’t been in the turbo anything business long enough to question their R&D and engineering? Let’s be honest though yes the first model year of a completely brand new vehicle will always have hiccups and this might just have those hiccups. Can’t really blame Toyota for downsizing their engine to stay within the CAFE rule. You can blame the government for that.
@@HiSteOfMndAll bets are off in the R/D departments given the manual transmission issues that seem to be coming to light in the new Taco and the recent engine replacement recall involving 100k of the new Tundras and a couple Lexus models that share the same engine. Part of Toyotas success in the reliability area has hinged on the fact that they relied a lot on old proven technology and seldom make major changes to their drive trains in comparison to other manufacturers.
I am not sure if I missed it. But will the whole seat flip action be standard across the board? The main selling point for me was always the 80“ length interior of a 4Runner giving me the opportunity to just lay long inside to sleep and camp. If they take that away I have to go with something else again
Got bored waiting for you to get to the point. It's over 58k for the good one. with dealer markup 100k+. LOL It's nice not 100k nice. The world now has Broncos lots of them with big ole 35's and 37's. If you want a street SUV KIA is a thing now. I'll give you it looks nice. No value for money. 🤷♂ They will sell like crazy I love the retro thing. the fan boys will go nuts for this. At least its not a BMW in yota metal.
The new 4Runner will start around 42-43k for the SR5 and probably 47k for the TRD Sport non-hybrid. I think its the best deal out there for what is essentioally a Land Cruiser made in Japan best car in the world. It should sell like HOTCAKES unless people have no money
This is a Tacoma with a cab, what was supposed to be the 6th gen 4 Runner was the LC. Prado based, it's a more refined vehicle. Just compare the weight of the doors.
Toyota is a global company that has been building small displacement turbo and hybrid engines for decades. They have provided larger NA engines in the US as the market and regulations supported them. Toyota is now using the TNG body on frame and smaller turbo/hybrid engines across many platforms and countries. One major difference is they do use turbo diesels outside the US as their emission regulations allow them. This will be a great vehicle with more power and efficiency than the old NA V-6. 326 HP and 465 LB Ft vs 270 HP and 278 LB Ft torque will be way more powerful. Nothing is perfect, I guess we will see.
I like it. I do. I can't believe its so similar to the Land Cruiser once you get up to the TRD OR and higher trims. Basically the only difference its minor exterior dimensions and full-time vs part-time 4WD. I was really hoping at least one of these new Toyota SUVs would do something different. Compete against the Wrangler and Bronco on some level. But they did what Toyota always does and stick to a formula that works. I can't blame them. I'm confident this will continue the 4Runner's legacy fine. I just wanted something a bit more radical.
Trailhunter is also a weak offering to me if you're serious about off-road and overlanding. Toyota refuses to put a steel front bumper and winch on any of their products. Neat a built in air compressor. I rather just carry my own. OME shocks are nice and all but its literally just a shock swap on the TRD Pro and some minor accessories. Give me something like the AEV Edition GM trucks. STEEL BUMPERS that are crash tested, don't require me to chop up the front body work or worry about if its actually designed to work with all the modern safety systems. Give it to me from factory.
@@PeakDecline to be fair, if you are serious about offroading and overlanding, buying a new vehicle and keeping it stock are probably pretty far down your list. For instance I bet very very few people bought a GX460 new off the lot with that intention, but nowadays they are pretty popular platforms for such use, and have been pretty decently modified to fit that niche.
@@ALMX5DP I reject this argument. It was true 10 years ago. But now? GM, Ford, Jeep all offers front and rear lockers now and long travel suspensions from the factory. We also see true factory overland packages. The Colorado ZR2 Bison Edition is a true turn key off-road truck. It's got all the standard upgrades and armor you'd do aftermarket but from factory and with a warranty. Jeep offers a factory winch too now. Ford is starting too. Along with them also offering 35 and 37 inch tires. Basically.... Everyone is doing more than Toyota on this front. And no longer does a person have to buy a new vehicle and immediately spend thousands and void their warranty for a true off-road build.
That engine looks like a spaghetti mess, I know that is the norm these days but this looks especially egregious. And it’s crazy how tiny the rear seat is for this size vehicle, my new Impreza has 3.5” more legroom than the previous gen 4Runner and this looks like no or only a minimal improvement!
@@williammiller6422 looked like room for the 6’2” reviewer sitting behind their own driving position and the rear looks quite flat (non-hybrid models it’s lower too).
Air Compressor…. Trail Hunter has an Ol Man Emu/ARB setup (same Co.) and they use an Air Locker differential which always comes with an ARB compressor.
There is a compressor, it is a separate unit that doesn't operate the locker. The locker is electric as in the 5th gen. The shocks are OME on the Trailhunter and Fox on the TRD Pro. They are using ARB, Rigid and other aftermarket companies to supply some of their components.
4Runner will be available with rear wheel drive, selectable part-time four wheel drive, and full-time four wheel drive drivetrain options, depending on model and engine type.
So sad that almost no companys offer non turbo charged engines turbo engines have gotten alot more reliable but nothing beats a NA somewhat low compression engine in terms of reliability
@@muffdiver4973 but people fail to realize a small turbo engine uses just as much fuel as a small NA engine because when you force more air in the engine you have to add fuel for the air otherwise it just wouldn't work so it be so much simpler to design a very efficient NA engine than just slap a turbo on everything the emissions are virtually the same
@@user-tb7rn1il3q it just factually isn't how it works you can make a naturally aspirated engine just as fuel efficient as any turbo because of the fact that by forcing more air into the engine you also have to force more fuel to equal air
The turbo 4 cannot have the long life of the V6. A turbo spinning at 150,000 RPM will fail. Not the 200,000+ mile beast we have loved. That tech will punch the wallet too. Toyota will join the other dealers with vehicles setting on the lots for months, if not years.
No way. It looks alright. But too much tech, With a turbo and battery pack reliability is questionable. Not to mention seeing the new taco diff blow up.. And now it's bigger and not as good offroad. I think 5th gens will hold value for a long time. This is appears to be a 4runner you lease. But time will tell
I think the styling is fantastic inside and out on that Trail Hunter. Won’t work for me tho as I would need more vertical space in the backseat and cargo area. This just doesn’t look like an ideal set up for car camping because of that. The 5th Gen isn’t even ideal in that regard.
@@sarge5000People are funny…like 85% nitpicked the v6 with the 5 speed to death and now that Toyota is giving them a modern drivetrain that isn’t at all a surprising configuration given the direction of the industry as a whole, still the majority are not happy.
@@mouhmouh6781 A 4cyl in that size vehicle is going to be working really hard all the time. Unlikely to see a significant improvement in real world mpg and longevity may be compromised to a degree as well.
@@ericpelton4157 Not an original idea from me. However, a 4cylinder turbo engine propelling a two ton vehicle will wear out faster than a naturally aspirated engine (especially the big six cylinder that the 5th gen has).
@@ericpelton4157 My appologies, but that is a naive notion and not at all how physics works. The air and fuel that the turbo forces into the engine wears it out. Oil dilution becomes an issue. As I stated, it isn't an original idea from me. Scotty Kilmer, The Car Care Nut, the Car Wizard, and the Toyota Maintenance channels are where I develope most of my opinions from. There are several other mechanics that I have seen mention the same idea.
"Not really sure." "A couple of inches" "This is a tweener" I expect more from Car and Driver. Do your homework next time and present the new vehicle with correct dimensions compared to other models, in this case the GX, Tacoma and Land Cruiser Prado. This is an amateur video from a professional company.
Yeah, keep dreaming if you think newly redesigned cars are supposed to cost less than its predecessor. The Land Cruiser was just a rare case of that, but it due to the company having a different purpose and offering with that line
Less cargo space than the 5th Gen due to huge Hybrid battery raising the floor. Rear seats don't fold flat so no sleeping in a 5th Gen or carrying long items in the back anymore. No manual transfer case shifter like previous generations. Worse break over anle due to increases wheelbase. Ugly front end and just a Tacoma interior. 4 cyl turbo hybrid and all the additional failure points that go with that complexity. Thousands of dollars to change out the exotic battery.....epic failure Toyota. These are just some of the reasons I bought my new 5th gen last summer. Before long we'll enjoy the additional premium 5th Gens will enjoy due to the 6th Gen fail.
Best 6th gen 4runner review in my opinion. Its the exact information real 4runner owners want to know.
How come nobody folds the rear seats down and shows the actual sleep platform/storage space?
I don't think it goes flat with the seats down. In another video it looked like how the Defender is, with a big step up plateau. Unless it's just an issue with the prototype.
With the hybrid you are SOL, you might get it somewhat flat with the NA models.
Doesn't look like a good sleep platform setup without removing the rear seats and possibly building a platform. I've got an 05 that I have a platform in.
There is another video where they did, and it's a no go. It's like 5ft with the seats flipped up. The guy I think said he was 5'8 and could only fit on a diagonal all scrunched up.
Thank you for mentioning the roof height! A lower roof is great for handling after mounting RTT and stuff up top
Platinum series is going be crazy expensive and targeted for specific people. With the third row and added weight for comfort, Toyota should put the GX550 V6TT into it.
They’re all too expensive
This thing is still body on frame and it’ll still be Made in Japan. I’m sold 🤌🏽🔥. My wife got 5th Gen Trail-Premium, as much as like it too, it was long overdue for a complete redesign.
Everyone wants to complain that it’s to similar to the Taco but forget that the 1st Gen 4Runner was pretty much a Toyota Truck.
too bad its not a v6. its gonna be an issue if you're looking for it to last a long time
@@wurlitzer78 are we gonna act like Toyota haven’t been in the turbo anything business long enough to question their R&D and engineering?
Let’s be honest though yes the first model year of a completely brand new vehicle will always have hiccups and this might just have those hiccups.
Can’t really blame Toyota for downsizing their engine to stay within the CAFE rule. You can blame the government for that.
@@wurlitzer78 and Toyota ain’t pointed a gun on your head forcing you to buy it 🤷🏽♂️.
@@HiSteOfMndAll bets are off in the R/D departments given the manual transmission issues that seem to be coming to light in the new Taco and the recent engine replacement recall involving 100k of the new Tundras and a couple Lexus models that share the same engine. Part of Toyotas success in the reliability area has hinged on the fact that they relied a lot on old proven technology and seldom make major changes to their drive trains in comparison to other manufacturers.
Love it specially the trail hunter can’t wait to have this
TRD 4Runner best
The seats don’t fold completely flat?
Nope
RIP 4.0L V6
I keep remembering the scene in Mad Max II... "Last of the V8 interceptors..."
Why can automakers incorporate the screen into the dash rather then making it seem like a propped up tablet?
Why the 2850mm wheelbase is (or considered as) Toyota's magic wheelbase?
The GELÄNDEWAGEN also had 2850mm wheelbase for decades but now it's 2890mm.
It changed to 2890mm when it changed to IFS setup)
Trd pro should have the TOYOTA heritage on the steering wheel not the emblem
I am not sure if I missed it. But will the whole seat flip action be standard across the board? The main selling point for me was always the 80“ length interior of a 4Runner giving me the opportunity to just lay long inside to sleep and camp. If they take that away I have to go with something else again
Got bored waiting for you to get to the point. It's over 58k for the good one. with dealer markup 100k+. LOL It's nice not 100k nice. The world now has Broncos lots of them with big ole 35's and 37's. If you want a street SUV KIA is a thing now. I'll give you it looks nice. No value for money. 🤷♂ They will sell like crazy I love the retro thing. the fan boys will go nuts for this. At least its not a BMW in yota metal.
The new 4Runner will start around 42-43k for the SR5 and probably 47k for the TRD Sport non-hybrid. I think its the best deal out there for what is essentioally a Land Cruiser made in Japan best car in the world. It should sell like HOTCAKES unless people have no money
Great video 👍👍great looking fourrunner👍👍
bangiiinnnnnn... I approve
Love it. Gonna drive my 2023 TRD off road for the next 25 years. RIP 4 runner.
Enjoy the slow gear hunter
@@ericpelton4157 for sure. It’s not for everyone but I like it just fine.
@@ruckinehround6965 I’d like it also. Just sucks that it’s so slow. Not sure I’ll buy a new one though. Won’t even be able to get one.
Supercharge the 5th gen and save some money
Are you all in the hurry
This is a Tacoma with a cab, what was supposed to be the 6th gen 4 Runner was the LC. Prado based, it's a more refined vehicle. Just compare the weight of the doors.
Toyota is a global company that has been building small displacement turbo and hybrid engines for decades. They have provided larger NA engines in the US as the market and regulations supported them. Toyota is now using the TNG body on frame and smaller turbo/hybrid engines across many platforms and countries. One major difference is they do use turbo diesels outside the US as their emission regulations allow them. This will be a great vehicle with more power and efficiency than the old NA V-6. 326 HP and 465 LB Ft vs 270 HP and 278 LB Ft torque will be way more powerful. Nothing is perfect, I guess we will see.
Hilux have had 2.5L i4 for decades, and now it's 2.4L in its current generation, it's good and durable.
@kurtburkhardt5862, yup, time will tell
I like it. I do. I can't believe its so similar to the Land Cruiser once you get up to the TRD OR and higher trims. Basically the only difference its minor exterior dimensions and full-time vs part-time 4WD. I was really hoping at least one of these new Toyota SUVs would do something different. Compete against the Wrangler and Bronco on some level. But they did what Toyota always does and stick to a formula that works. I can't blame them. I'm confident this will continue the 4Runner's legacy fine. I just wanted something a bit more radical.
Trailhunter is also a weak offering to me if you're serious about off-road and overlanding. Toyota refuses to put a steel front bumper and winch on any of their products. Neat a built in air compressor. I rather just carry my own. OME shocks are nice and all but its literally just a shock swap on the TRD Pro and some minor accessories. Give me something like the AEV Edition GM trucks. STEEL BUMPERS that are crash tested, don't require me to chop up the front body work or worry about if its actually designed to work with all the modern safety systems. Give it to me from factory.
@@PeakDecline to be fair, if you are serious about offroading and overlanding, buying a new vehicle and keeping it stock are probably pretty far down your list. For instance I bet very very few people bought a GX460 new off the lot with that intention, but nowadays they are pretty popular platforms for such use, and have been pretty decently modified to fit that niche.
@@ALMX5DP I reject this argument. It was true 10 years ago. But now? GM, Ford, Jeep all offers front and rear lockers now and long travel suspensions from the factory. We also see true factory overland packages. The Colorado ZR2 Bison Edition is a true turn key off-road truck. It's got all the standard upgrades and armor you'd do aftermarket but from factory and with a warranty. Jeep offers a factory winch too now. Ford is starting too. Along with them also offering 35 and 37 inch tires. Basically.... Everyone is doing more than Toyota on this front. And no longer does a person have to buy a new vehicle and immediately spend thousands and void their warranty for a true off-road build.
WILD OFFROAD 😎👍
Longer vehicle does not mean more space inside. Actually, it looks like less rear legroom in the new gen. The engine bay ate up more space.
That engine looks like a spaghetti mess, I know that is the norm these days but this looks especially egregious. And it’s crazy how tiny the rear seat is for this size vehicle, my new Impreza has 3.5” more legroom than the previous gen 4Runner and this looks like no or only a minimal improvement!
I thought I heard that the second row has more legroom than the current model, not sure by how much though.
No leg room in rear no flat area in back, how about a real review saying in stinks
@@williammiller6422 looked like room for the 6’2” reviewer sitting behind their own driving position and the rear looks quite flat (non-hybrid models it’s lower too).
How can I get hired by Car and Driver?
probably visit their website and look for human resources contact !
Or become the owner then you can do anything you want, maybe
Air Compressor…. Trail Hunter has an Ol Man Emu/ARB setup (same Co.) and they use an Air Locker differential which always comes with an ARB compressor.
There is a compressor, it is a separate unit that doesn't operate the locker. The locker is electric as in the 5th gen. The shocks are OME on the Trailhunter and Fox on the TRD Pro. They are using ARB, Rigid and other aftermarket companies to supply some of their components.
Eddie Alterman claims to be my biological father...even though we are essentially the same age.
thank you sir
the lower roof height is great - better stability
It is wider due to the wheels, not the suspension length.
Looks good just no sure of the 4 cylinder turbo 4 banger
where are they built?
I believe that these are built in Japan while the Tacoma is built in Mexico.
Japan
Worth the wait😂😂😂
how this different from the Land Cruiser?
Bring back the V8s
Bring back the EDM
I hate noise
Why not 3.0-4.0cc eight cylinders 4000-4200 rpm with 8 speed gearbox 250-280 hp
Because none of their other vehicles use V8s. I hope this helps
20 year old Suburbans with 8 cylinders made about 250hp. Might want to look at those if that is your jam.
they started building the 2.4 inline 4 back in 2000
they have done lots of improvements over the years to it
They got some ideas from the Isuzu VehiCross
you said it has part-time 4WD but the Toyota video said it has full-time 4WD...
4Runner will be available with rear wheel drive, selectable part-time four wheel drive, and full-time four wheel drive drivetrain options, depending on model and engine type.
Welp guess have to go to the Lexus for a v6
So sad that almost no companys offer non turbo charged engines turbo engines have gotten alot more reliable but nothing beats a NA somewhat low compression engine in terms of reliability
New regulations forcing Manufacturers to come out with these Vehicles.
@@muffdiver4973 but people fail to realize a small turbo engine uses just as much fuel as a small NA engine because when you force more air in the engine you have to add fuel for the air otherwise it just wouldn't work so it be so much simpler to design a very efficient NA engine than just slap a turbo on everything the emissions are virtually the same
Where’s that 2025 Nissan Xterra using the current Frontier’s underpinnings and engine at?
@@specialperson170If you drive easy they do get a lot better mpg.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q it just factually isn't how it works you can make a naturally aspirated engine just as fuel efficient as any turbo because of the fact that by forcing more air into the engine you also have to force more fuel to equal air
Unless you want people to fall asleep, I recommend speed up the talking just a bit and totally ditch the music.
About time they did away with the slow and highly fuel inefficient old power train
The turbo 4 cannot have the long life of the V6. A turbo spinning at 150,000 RPM will fail. Not the 200,000+ mile beast we have loved. That tech will punch the wallet too. Toyota will join the other dealers with vehicles setting on the lots for months, if not years.
You honestly would trade your Gen 5 for this? Wow!
No way. It looks alright. But too much tech, With a turbo and battery pack reliability is questionable. Not to mention seeing the new taco diff blow up.. And now it's bigger and not as good offroad. I think 5th gens will hold value for a long time. This is appears to be a 4runner you lease. But time will tell
Wow, you wouldn’t trade your gen 5 for this?
Keeping my ‘24 4Runner till she hits 300k 😎
@@sammydavis991seems you like it alot , i like the trail hunter, the wheels are really good looking
I think the styling is fantastic inside and out on that Trail Hunter.
Won’t work for me tho as I would need more vertical space in the backseat and cargo area. This just doesn’t look like an ideal set up for car camping because of that. The 5th Gen isn’t even ideal in that regard.
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
getting out with a new car every year , makes a car meaningless to me
This one comes out after 15 years.
As Chuck would say...that's turrrible
Makes absolutely no sense to not offer a V6 version of the 4Runner. Toyota make it happen
No V6??? No thanks. Better stick with a quality used 4Runner.
You know this engine has more performance than the old v6 right?
@@sarge5000People are funny…like 85% nitpicked the v6 with the 5 speed to death and now that Toyota is giving them a modern drivetrain that isn’t at all a surprising configuration given the direction of the industry as a whole, still the majority are not happy.
The music is interfering with listening to you talk.
No V6, V8..... NO THANKS, TOYOTA!
Why people don't like 4 cylinder ?
@@mouhmouh6781 A 4cyl in that size vehicle is going to be working really hard all the time. Unlikely to see a significant improvement in real world mpg and longevity may be compromised to a degree as well.
Go sit in the rear seat of the Gen 5 and tell me the Gen 6 has as much room. Really!!!!?
My rear seat Gen 5 has a lot of room
So long 4Runner longevity...😠
How do you know? Just guessing and being silly.
@@ericpelton4157 Not an original idea from me. However, a 4cylinder turbo engine propelling a two ton vehicle will wear out faster than a naturally aspirated engine (especially the big six cylinder that the 5th gen has).
@@countschad the engine has more power which means will be able to move the vehicle easier and not have to work as hard.
@@ericpelton4157 My appologies, but that is a naive notion and not at all how physics works. The air and fuel that the turbo forces into the engine wears it out. Oil dilution becomes an issue. As I stated, it isn't an original idea from me. Scotty Kilmer, The Car Care Nut, the Car Wizard, and the Toyota Maintenance channels are where I develope most of my opinions from. There are several other mechanics that I have seen mention the same idea.
@@countschad time will tell.
"Not really sure." "A couple of inches" "This is a tweener" I expect more from Car and Driver. Do your homework next time and present the new vehicle with correct dimensions compared to other models, in this case the GX, Tacoma and Land Cruiser Prado. This is an amateur video from a professional company.
first lets go!
Too much money, the thing rusts! The Pro shouldnt cost more then 25k.
Thanks Forrest Gump.
@@sammydavis991 lol, massive depression coming get ready! Spend wisely!
Yeah, keep dreaming if you think newly redesigned cars are supposed to cost less than its predecessor. The Land Cruiser was just a rare case of that, but it due to the company having a different purpose and offering with that line
Here comes the no energy boomer old dude, so sad C&D
Weird comment.
Less cargo space than the 5th Gen due to huge Hybrid battery raising the floor. Rear seats don't fold flat so no sleeping in a 5th Gen or carrying long items in the back anymore. No manual transfer case shifter like previous generations. Worse break over anle due to increases wheelbase. Ugly front end and just a Tacoma interior. 4 cyl turbo hybrid and all the additional failure points that go with that complexity. Thousands of dollars to change out the exotic battery.....epic failure Toyota. These are just some of the reasons I bought my new 5th gen last summer. Before long we'll enjoy the additional premium 5th Gens will enjoy due to the 6th Gen fail.
i was looking forward for a manual 4Runner since it’s the same platform as the Tacoma , maybe i’ll just get the Tacoma lmao