Ex-Gay Therapy Doesn't Work, I Tried It
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- Опубликовано: 10 дек 2006
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I'm Daniel Gonzales, a former patient of "ex-gay" therapist Joe Nicolosi. At age 18 I tried to "cure" myself of my gayness and only succeeded in spending thousands of dollars and losing my faith in the process. This is my story of reparative therapy.
Cinematography by Esteban Rael
Googled you after seeing the Stephen Fry video. Glad to see you aren't still living a lie.
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Me too!
I wonder if the supposed successful conversions are simply people that are *just* far enough on the scale bisexual, that they manage to focus (and perhaps build) on their natural (partial/limited) attraction to the opposite sex, so it's enough to settle to be with someone of the opposite sex. So in a way they are still being true to themselves but only denying their same sex attractions. (If that makes any sense)
Makes perfect sense! The only people who personally feel like sexual attraction is a choice are bisexuals. It is easier for them to adapt to heterosexual marriage. As long as they are faithful to their spouse they will appear to be heterosexual. Even if an occasional same sex thought may cross their mind. No one knows about this unless they admit to it.
I believe Arthur is right. I think most of the ex gays are bisexual but prefer men and find being with men more exciting. I do believe they are wrongly identified as homosexual. I believe there are a tiny number of exclusively gay people who become completely abstinant after going through the conversion therapy and I do not consider that to be "converted". Virtually all exclusively gay people who go through the therapy except of the extremely guilty ones who become abstinant find the therapy does not work. I don't believe any conversion takes place at all in anyone except perhaps a religious conversion. Religion seems to be at the heart of this therapy regardless of whether or not one seeks a supposedly secular ex gay therapy organization such as NARTH or not.I have not seen one single case, not one, where an individual seeking to "cure" themselves from their being gay for non religious reasons. It is always about religion. NARTH is larded with social and religious conservatives.
+Noniksleft We all have different kinds of thoughts, some good, some bad but acting on choices is MAKING A CHOICE. I like the way people seem to have such fun when they're all coked up. Does it mean that I should go against nature and snort it? For me NO. Just bc something looks fun, or seems like it'll feel good doesn't mean we have to try it. Peer pressure is a mofo.
Money Manifestations Except being gay isn’t bad for you like drugs. Also, drugs are not a part of your identity. Some people can force themselves to be straight and deep down be miserable. Yet if a person stops doing drugs their health will improve.
Um wow! Suicide attempt by trying to lite yourself on fire?! That's the most hardcore brutal shit I've ever heard!
Brenden Contreras why? Maybe he was feeling so guilty, he wanted to suffer and feel the extreme pain...
He perhaps, believed, that due to his sexual orientation, he would be damned to burn in hell for eternity, thus he wanted to die in such a way; preparing himself.
@@williamfranklin9660 Yeah right. You know the real reason for his suicide attempt is the pain and suffering he endured with the so-called "therapy". He has done much better NOW.
When you are a Baptist and you see and hear Baptists talk about gay people, you never would want to be eternally stuck with those people in their heaven. When they told me I couldn't be a christian and never was, I finally became happy. The universe is big enough to have another heaven for Jesus and the gays and let Paul and the Baptists be somewhere else. Forget the religion, the sky won't fall on you. You'll be happier and it will seem like God is blessing you even more than when you were in church.
"Well all of the transformation, all the heart ache, and all the stuff is over now. I am married, Extremely Happily. I have children, and I have not even had the slightest attraction for anyone, NOT ONE single person, other my wife. Female or male. So, now I am destined to be with her, and that is exactly where I want to stay and be. I know in my heart, and my life I chose the right the path. It was not easy, and I would not wish it on my worst enemy, but I could not have done better!"
This is really a great video. Well stated and quite factual. It's an informative and concise tool to explain the main problems of anti-gay religious beliefs and teachings to those that are unaware of the issues and cannot imagine what it's like going through puberty, realizing that you're gay and simultaneously being spiritually, Biblically and emotionally abused by your church home and the spiritual leaders you trust and look to for guidance (the one place you should be able to take refuge in such a tumultuous time in your life. His experience echos mine - and ALMOST every gay and lesbian I know that grew up in conservative or semi-conservative religious homes.
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because something doesnt work for you doesnt mean something doesnt work......
now that gay marriage is LEGAL , i can finally marry my DAD
im gay but i dont practice cuz i love god more... the end
Any "therapists" that try to shame people into hiding who they are from the world do not deserve the title, doctor.
A doctor is someone who is compassionate and chooses one of the many paths to bring life to others.
I just heard Nicolosi say in another YT video that we need to hear more coming-out stories from people who have overcome homosexuality. Yet, his videos do not allow comments. This young man Daniel not only has the courage to put up a very personal video, but he has the integrity to allow comments. Well done, Daniel. Thank you for your courge. I see nothing in you that needs to be repaired.
I'm glad that you finally were able to accept yourself. You are adorable and smart and any guy would be lucky to have you as a boyfriend.
I was deeply moved by your testimony-I too struggled to reconcile my faith and my sexuality for years.
I know now that my own aesthetic appreciation of religion can only, unfortunately, be from afar.
The organization precludes homosexuals from practicing in the collective sense. This is the greatest injustice done unto us.
You are a beautiful man inside and out.
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some people claim to be an ex gay. they either was never gay or tried to repress their feelings.
You're a hero, Dan. If I was offered the opportunity to become straight, I, like so many proud gay people, would turn it down. I am thrilled to be who I am, and visibility is the key to breaking open stereotypes for people who have never met happy, healthy, successful gay people because they have only been allowed to see unfortunate, confused and desperate ones. Come into the light. All are welcome. :)
I'm a 21 year old female, who grew up in a household that was a bit chaotic, but never sexually assaulted, and I had no real reason to turn out the way I did, but I tried ignoring the fact that I had more attractions towards other women then I do men, and I tried pretending I liked boys. Then I finally came to terms with myself when I was 16-17 that I like girls. Fact is, you cant change how you feel, you can only ignore them, or pretend they dont exist, which isnt healthy.
Crazy to think your now 36, and I am year older than you when you wrote that comment. (I'm 22)
I hope the past 15 years have been okay for you.
Since when did we Christians elevate to the position of "tolerating" other people? Who are we? like "tolerating a black person" but not accepting" his/her skin colour? People having that notion ARE indeed pointless.
Ex Gay therapy doesn't work, but Jesus does he delivered me from being bisexual.
I am a heterosexual progressive Christian. If you love your partner who is also gay then GOOD. Nothing wrong with LOVE in a sexual and heartful relationship sense as long its monogymous.
I'm a Christian and trans-gender, I believe that God makes us the way how we are and presents us challenges for a reason. Each one of those reasons are personal between the individual themselves and God. For those out there, Instead of asking for change, why not ask for understanding instead? =)
If God can accept us, through us accepting Christ, then we can also learn to accept ourselves. Its not easy, but its much better than losing your sanity through trying to change who you are.
The Roman Catholic church negates justification by faith and love alone, it necessarily implies that we must do something for justification, for if it is not by faith alone, then it must be by faith and something. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be seekers of truth and justice. Knowing your purpose in life, where you came from, we're able to progress and learn to become more like our Heavenly Father. Don't give up, guys. I won't.
For those gays out there who are have wanted to have faith, but just can't anymore, try out a Zen group. It's helped me a lot!
Seeing that Adam and Eve are fictitious characters, Adam and Steve are equally valid constructs.
I was in reparative therapy and Exodus-related groups for over seven years, costing me almost $30,000.00. I'd rather have the money and a boyfriend.
Christians can be "Tolerant" without being "Accepting". Asking for more than that might be pointless...
Being gay isn't a choice. I know I'm repeating what others have already said but it's true. It's so obvious that if someone chose that orientation it would be easy to change it. IT'S NOT!!! There is no choice, it is what it is!! Gay is a borne thing just as straight. We must live and deal with it. We must accept it and we must allow those that are gay to feel comfortable and live just as freely as we do!!!
@lisztnut - And (as I may have mentioned previously) the Greeks in Paul's time did not think highly of women in general. They had no right to vote, they were often treated as slaves and Greek philosophers argued that they were animals without souls. So having sex with a woman was akin to having sex with an animal. One of the early Christian councils actually voted and declared that women DID have souls - but by only one vote. It was a very misogynistic time.
Studies showed people who attempt to change their sexual orientation experience more harm to the psychological well-being, where distress and depression were exacerbated. That is why the major mental health professional organizations do not encourage individuals to try to change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Scientific literature suggest sexual orientation to be fixed and non-changeable, causing obvious distress to people who think it is, & seek to do so.
The fact that homosexuality & bisexuality is observed in nature & studied for years now show it is a natural occurrence, not a deviation of some "divine placement". Nature shows us some species have the ability to switch genders or be both at the same time. There is much more fluidity in sexual nature than the black & white philosophical tangent of religion. Observance of nature teaches us many things about life on this planet & it's realities, not an unrealistic idealized culture mask.
You're absolutely right. Homosexuality is a behavior that is based, as many claim, on an orientation. What about other sexual orientations such as pedophilia, voyeurism, necrophilia, bestiality, polygamy, incest, exhibitionism, fetishes, frotterism, masochism, sadism, etc.
Homosexuality is never defined in the Bible in an acceptable behavior.
None of those other things you listed are sexual orientations though so your point is absurd 😂
To address the first part of your question, you refer to sexual orientation as if it applies only to homosexuals. If you are straight, do you think anyone could convince you to change your sexual attraction to the opposite sex? Then you have your answer, it can't be changed. There is also the common misconception that bisexuals are either promiscuous or can't make up their minds. Bisexuals fall in love with someone regardless of their gender, and I think that's a beautiful thing.
Planting a field that has two different crops is a sin, working on a Sunday is a sin. You know what isn't a sin? Having slaves.
Don't confuse sexual behavior with orientation. It has been proven to be two separate things. Anyone can change their sexual behavior, straight, bi, or gay, and have done so. But many merged behavior and orientation together and think it's their orientation they're changing.
@skywize As a side note... ALL attraction is triggered by biology. It's called a chemical reaction or just chemistry between two people. There is a biological attraction between with pheromones.
None of those things influence sexual attractions. A straight person can grow up in the same type of environment and experience the same things a gay person does without having any effect on their orientation. The main environment considered to be of influence on orientation according to scientist & biologists would be the hormonal uterine environment of the fetus.
@ImTheRealPC - Keep in mind promoters of these therapies often define "sexual orientation" in terms of sexual behavior, instead of attraction. Behavior you can change. Nobody says you have to sexually behave a particular way you are uncomfortable with, that choice is up to you. But realize sexual behavior is separate from sexual attraction.
@ImTheRealPC - therapists tend to understand success in terms of reducing or eliminating those desires. Ex-gay groups do make the statement: "therapy will likely not be a cure in the sense of erasing all homosexual feelings", however some members are better able to deal with the their feeling around the issue, so, whatever you think best for you. Your life. Know the risks.
Powerful testimony!
as long as people are in relationships that are not hurting ones self or others than no enlightened person could have any problems with it. be honest, be caring, and keep knowing you can always be a better person. bless
No one changes their sexual orientation - it just does not happen. Some Bisexuals change sex partners, which is fine for them, but people do not "become" straight and they do not "become Gay". Which is fine. There's nothing wrong with being straight and there's nothing wrong with being Gay. You can be Gay and a good Christian.
Thanks for sharing this. It's so important that people know how destructive the "ex-gay" movement is.
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@gazetteyamapi, CORRECTION: God created Adam and Eve, and then, when He saw that He could improve upon the model, He created Adam and Steve.
Dan: Isn't there some way we can have Dr. Nicolosi prosecuted by the state for continuing to use his "repairative therapy" on minors?
I have seen him boast about breaking this law right here on RUclips. I think the state would have a strong case, as I'm sure he's breaking the 2012 law.
Have you considered this?
Keep up the good work. Look at all the views this video has gotten! I think you are having a positive impact on youth. Congratulations.
GREAT VIDEO.
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@aehre2 I still find it hard how you can just ignore the experiences of gay individuals who went through this kind of therapy. There are many who wanted to and try to change their sexual orientation, but wounded up becoming very depressed and doing a lot of psychological damage to themselves. You really think what you say is true for everyone? I'm all for experimenting and finding out what works, but there are many of us who have found it impossible to succeed in changing our natural instincts.
@lisztnut - I can't tell you how many divorces I have handled because women don't want to have sex with their husbands and that's all the husbands want. I have read some recent studies showing that most women refuse to have sex more than once a month after they are married. And that's the cause of many divorces. Straight men often divorce their wives when they are pregnant because they want to have sex.
That's right.Real Roman Catholics strongly against gay movement.
London's 24-hour gay scene is world famous, with clubbing that goes on all weekend and beyond. Many of London's drug-using men who have sex with men (MSM), and also lesbians, and their heterosexual male and female friends often congregate at post-club parties known as chill-outs where drug-taking continues until drugs, money, energy, or all three run out. There are also many sex parties where MSM congregate at homes for group sex.
I just realized I publish it backwards please begin to read this older one, I wrote a big comment and had to upload it in parts. hope you enjoy my words!
Its great that we agree that same-sex attracted people are beloved children of God. As a Catholic, I plead for the whole world to realize THAT IS what the Church teaches. However, you equate same-sex attraction with the identity of "gay". If human beings have free will, then they are free to choose whether or not they shall SUBSCRIBE to the IDENTITY of "gay" OR NOT.By corralling SSA people into the "gay" identity,you are saying they DO NOT have free will to choose how they want to be identified.
Downtoawhisper questions, "can you share with me your definition of love?"
Well, of course, there are many different kinds of love, familial, romantic, etc., but I like what St. Thomas Aquinas said, that love is "to will the good of another." When your concern and interest for another being, whether it be a family member, friend, or romantic partner, compel you to put their own best interests and safety even above your own, it's a safe bet that you hold a special, altruistic love for them.
p3. On top of that, religion makes you feel guilty about something as innate as sexuality. And the one place where you can get forgiveness, is religion. Religion installs a guilt feeling and at the same time it organizes "forgiveness", or therapy, or in this case: ex gay therapy. I call that making people hooked. So the whole sin system is morally bank rupt. And yes I know that people are sincere in their wish not be seen as gay anymore. ----> p4.
This video made me cry. It represents a lot of my feelings.
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There are plenty of examples of people who have experienced fundamental change in sexual orientation or significant diminishing of SSA. It is disingenuous to persist in the absolute superlative assertion of immutability. Research is finding sexuality to be far more fluid than previously thought. Reparative efforts are not for everyone, but those who WANT to change have the RIGHT to seek it. Those who change and seek change are being marginalized, invalidated and discriminated against.
Hi David! greetings from Barcelona, nice to see you here. Go ahead! We meet toghether in Miami this November, at the exexgay conference... I really miss you! take care...
He changed the way he looks on the outside. However, his original genetic codes still make him black. In every legal sense of the word, he's black. "Changing" your orientation means changing what you make other people see. It's not truly change.
@TheLogicalPosition asks, " Do human beings have free will to choose how they shall identify themselves?"
They can choose their behavior, but not innate characteristics like skin color, sexual orientation, etc. For example, a white person may choose to identify himself as an African-American, but he's never actually going to be one.
"Is it possible for a person to HAVE same-sex attraction, but choose not to be gay?"
Not any more than it's possible for a tall person to "choose" to be short.
Wow, this was actually quite moving. Thank you for having the strength to stand up against bigotry and homophobia everywhere. You are one of many inspirations in the world. I would say 'bless you', but I'm an atheist, so I don't think that that would be appropriate. Sorry, train-of-thought switching again...
I remember seeing a video here on youtube about this ex gay group, A group with 15 guys. 5 guys committed suicide during the time period the therapy ran. And it is swept under the carpet. Ex therapy seems to be a lot of hush-hush. In potential, ex gay might be a scandal and it goes way further than simply religious freedom.
So I would say: publish the checkable results, and lets talk about definitions. If you are right, you have nothing to fear.
Thanks for sharing your story. For me, it took 5 years to recover for me. Not 1.5 years. The transformation can happen, but if there is one ounce of same sex attraction in your body, the whole 1 day to 15 years can and will be a complete waste of time. I truly am out of it, and will remain that way. I am married and the only sexual attraction I have is to my wife. Again, all this thearpy is complete waste of time if you really do not go into it believing that you can recover!
thank you for your video. I love the flying fish story. It is widely understood in the scientific community now that homosexuality is bioligical, not learned. (for all the homophobics or those who use religion to justify intolerance, I am not gay) Homosexuality is all throughout the animal kingdom as well as humans. I am Raelian. Rael has been saying all this for 33 years.
@ImTheRealPC- Even Dr. Robert L. Spitzer who based his studies on subjects referred to him by ex-gay therapy groups Narth and Exodus said his findings suggest that complete change from homosexual to heterosexual is unrealistic and uncommon. He said subjects did not actually change sexual orientation--for example, their change had been one of behavioral control and self-identity, but no significant shift in attractions.
You don't need to look at your loss of faith as a bad thing. It can be extremely devastating if it happens the way it happened to you, but if you can begin to focus on understanding the world as it really works, not how religions, self help authors, and other charlatans claim it works, you can get a whole new outlook on reality.
If something didn't work for u. U shouldn't make a general conclusion that it won't work for anyone else
Yes, you're right. You can be whatever you want. I was using the Christian viewpoint since that is what he was and he said the exgay experience has hurt him. I wasn't trying to proselytize him.
Dont worry about losing your faith! You still keep the moral values that you prefer from it, and if you were a good person before, you still are now. But being an atheist now makes you even more free! kudos!
I have to ask you: Are you advocating radical behavior modifcations for people who do not not have a pathology, social or behavioral problems? Also, is there empirical non-biased, reputable data on the efficacy of reparative therapy to back up your statement?
Ex-gay therapy does work, I tried it.
Saw you on the Steven fry documentary about your transition from gay to straight .. I then googled your name and found this !
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yes, therapy my fail. Our own efforts fail But the good thing is that Jesus works all the time, and none who comes to him returns the same. I know that to be true myself
Yes, turning to Jesus for the truth will help gay people realize that they were born that way, as per the Lord's design.
The other problem is this whole notion of a "lifestyle" tactic particularly used by the religious. What "lifestyle" does a gay person have? What would be the lifestyle of a straight person? Is one's lifestyle based on their sexual orientation? Someone could be gay yet have not had any sexual contact. Didn't change the fact that they are gay. It didn't change their attractions to the same sex. So what lifestyle then, would that person be living not being sexually active? It's stupid.
Buddhism is a religion. It's a non-theistic religion, but it still has it's own set of tenets, its own dogma, its own worship services, and so forth. All religions are philosophy. Some of theistic and some are not. Buddhism is institutionalized, has rituals, is rich with tradition. It's a religion.
I find it amazing you can only be gay! Why has everyone put a boundary on themselves. You do not have to be gay. I know you may have had those feelings for as long as you can remember, but you do not have to be gay. I did not got to reparative therapy, but I got away from the same sex attraction. I am not anyone any more special than you, but I got out, and it is not easy. God bless EVERYONE. Spread Love not hate.
Thanks for sharing your story. It has been proven over and over that nobody can change their sexual orientation. Keep up the great work and keep true to yourself!!!
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I see agree with you. If his parents did not gave him a religious upbringing but just told him "It is ok who you are" non of these problems would have occured. Religion is the cause of so much problems, wars and unhappy people. Be nice to others and yourself. I blame this ignorant parents and hell and doom preaching churches. Believe in yourself !.
OF COURCE IT DIDN'T WORK! it's like going to a ex-left handed camp
One thing people forget is religion is born out of archaic times of human thinking. Each one has developed moral codes. Sexual morality has varied greatly over time and between cultures, often linked to religious beliefs, or social and environmental conditions. In Islam individuals are expected to control themselves and not act on their desires if such action is contrary to the guidelines of Islam.
@downtoawhisper
*Spelling correction in my first response....asking you to explain how being gay is not a perversion of the way God made us is not the same as asking you to explain why being black is not a perversion of the way God made white people.
You don't have to push yourself to be someone else and get pressured on what society wants you to be. Be gay! Is what I'm trying to say here. I just think you don't have to get pressured on being gay because life is so much more complex than that.
@enaudnella- Molestation does not determine sexual orientation. Many people who were molested by the same gender where not affected in their orientation, & were able to have perfectly heterosexual relationships. Sexual behavior is not the same as sexual orientation. Studies & observations have proven that someone can behave sexually opposite of their orientation showing the two to be separate. So that argument doesn't cut it.
@ImTheRealPC- There have been people who have come through horrific conditions to attribute it to Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, Baha'i, or just plain therapy, help from family, friends, so on. So you see that such things are spiritual aspects of the human experience to life. It is connected with the individual’s perception of the event or divine force, as it is entirely a subjective phenomenon. A individual mystical experience can be experienced regardless of the culture.
You can do many things if you set your mind to it. Don't let any 'study' hold you back. If people managed to supress sexuality in the victorian times, I'm sure that you could pretty much change it with the will. Otherwise, you couldn't really 'blame' perverts for being perverted.
i have no idea where u pulled that out?? your human opinions?
Great commentary on your experiences. "Ex-gay therapy" is so much damaging pyscho-babble.
@JREAMdesign- that would have nothing to do with who they are sexually attracted to. A gay person may not be sexually active. But that won't alter their attractions anymore than a straight person who isn't sexually active. So this "lifestyle" term make no sense.
God Love us all the way we are gay,straight etc ,,,as long as you are a line with your good higher self you are fine the way you are!!!
you good higher self is a figment of your imagination. the only way to experience the love of God is to know JESUS through repentance and faith. ....sin is so offensive to God that jesus had to take the penalty and be tortured in our place. God reconciles bad selves to his Good self by the most loving sacrificial act. making a god for yourself from your imagination is the sin of idolatry. two of the ten commandments have to do with making false Gods called idolatry and foolishness. God has revealed himself and the path to rebuild the broken relationship marred by sin is to repent and trust the savior who died for your sins....lying stealing lust adultery fornication gossip slander hatred, jealousy all such sins deserve death. "he appeared that he might take away our sins and in him is no sin" ARE YOU IN JESUS........you dont have God unless you receive God's blood sacrifice. JESUS DYING IN YOUR PLACE TO OFFER YOU FORGIVENESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS FROM GOD>
If He loves us the way we are He wouldn't have had to send His Son to be punished for our sins. He's loving and merciful but He's also just and because He's just He has to punish sin. You can't even properly understand His love and mercy without understanding His justice.The idea that God just wants to pat everyone on the back and tell them they're perfect just the way they are is nonsense that undermines the entire Gospel.
@@flamingrobin5957 Seriously, your bible-thumping is WHY the GLBT suicide rate has gone UP instead of DOWN.
@@yogsobbahs1311 Yeah, but would He want the GLBT suicide rate to go UP or DOWN?
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Thnak u so much....i wish everyone can think like you
@lisztnut - No problem - it's hard on RUclips to tell who is saying what. I have made some pretty bad "goofs" before. And nothing is more infuriating than to write a short essay, post it, reread it and find numerous typos and grammatical errors that you didn't see before. Especially when I'm tired.
Dude, I totally lack masculinity; and I abhor males, especially as a sexual object. I think they're disgusting.
I certainly ain't lookin' to find it elsewhere!
Thanks for sharing this story. I have been going through an almost identical struggle. I hope you can come to terms with the situation without giving up your faith in God. I'm learning you can be a gay Christian with values and morals -- and avoiding the pitfalls of the gay community. I'll be praying for you.
@JREAMdesign- what is the "gay lifestyle" exactly? All the gay people I know do the same things as straights. They all have their own personalities, work the same jobs, have their families & friends, have their own relationships. Those who aren't in relationships are no more promiscuous than straight people I know, in some cases less. Do you consider lifestyle to be someone's sex life? Is their lifestyle who they sleep with, what gender their partner is?
@skywize All the speicies in the world can practice homosexuality, but it doesn't change the point that I can choose to identify as "a human being who experiences homosexual attraction" instead of a "homosexual" or a gay person. Note: If occurance in nature = justification, then eating our offspring is also justified. Your logic cannot be applied in only one way. REGARDLESS, it misses the point: Human beings have free will to choose their identity. The LGTBQ pushers tell us we don't.
and by judging people, I mean basing your opinion of a group of people on one specific aspect of them, or one specific action that you arbitrarily decide is degrading, which factually isn't the person doesn't feel degrading in partaking in it...arguing this fact would be to say "my opinion of what is degrading to a person is more important than what being degraded actually means". That would be equal to saying "1+1 is not 2, it's 46, because I say so." No, it isn't. Facts are facts.
MrJay429 writes, "If we accept being Gay is normality, then we have failed."
failed at what? To accept reality, perhaps, but what is so wrong with accepting other human beings the way God made them, the way He wants them to be, the way they are naturally?
I support banning the therapy for minors yes. What i do support is that the ex gay industry publishes or is is forced to publish checkable results. Results as in how many people joined therapy, how many do see themselves as ex gay afterwards, how many got depressed, how many killed themselves. And what is ex gay? It most certainly isn't straight. Facts speak for themselves. I've seen to many cases where the successes got celebrated, but the failures were swept under the carpet. ---> p2
Love yourself for who and what you are....That's all you need to do in life.
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@AngryScissor Another thing id like to add. Whenever i tried to envision myself being in a relationship with a girl (this has happened twice with two girls that i've had what i call "friend crushs" on) I become very very depressed. Despite the fact that I really liked the girls as friends and still do, to even try and form a relationship with them spirals me down into a very deep depression. But when i take that out of the equation and just be friends, my mind eases up.
My part 1 is on the main board. It begins with "In fact, people do change their sexual practices & habits all the time. . ." But, in reponse to your last comment: it may be hard for you to believe but there really are kids who really don't want to be "gay" because they know God and they know that He loves them and also know it is not what He wants for them. (I put the word "gay" in quotes, by the way, because I believe this term in itself is a euphemistic lie.) U need to reconsider your . .
Im a "Ex-Catholic" I know longer follow any religion! I live by 2 rules... 1) Treat others how you yourself with to be treated 2)Try to be generous with the less fortunate where you can afford to be ....Religion will be the Ruination of Mankind! I don't beleive in GOD - I believe in being a good person, and I believe in MYSELF! ...and a Man's body just "Does it" for me....in every aspect. I can recognize a beautful woman, but I don't look at them sexually!
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Ciao Bello!
Daniel "Amico Mio" ! May G-D bless you for the journey through which you've navigated! You show a remarkable strength of character, having dealt with what have for all too long, remained opposing forces within our society! As Bobby Griffiths' (Prayers for Bobby) one time young lover/boyfriend here, I'm quite familiar with the dynamic of your struggled, and the "Angst" it can engender! This is why I'm so darn proud of you "Amico Mio!
Grazie Mille Ragazzo Bello!
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It simply doesn't matter even if therapy doesn't work in most cases. It does work in some. And even if it didn't work at all this would not justify barring people from seeking it. People have a right to choose even things that are shown to be false (like Astrology). Besides, how does one even define success in this? We maintain that success does not mean freedom from all tempting thoughts or temporary lapses, for we hold that no one is promised freedom from temptation and sin in this world.