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Montel: Homosexuaity--Is There a Cure?
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- Опубликовано: 15 мар 2007
- Highlights of the show that aired on March 15, 2007. Guest included ex-gay survivor Lance Carroll, president of Exodus International, Alan Chambers. A friend of mine taped and edited the piece based on what he thought were the most important moments of the show.
Alan Chambers has given up, he is now out of the closet and living with a man. And Exodus has folded and begged forgiveness from all the gays and lesbians they have harmed so much
That's not true
@samtkach5255 yes it is.
Alan is living with a man now. Exodus folded.
There is no cure for gays, or baldness. Both are beautiful. Enjoy!
Chrissy Margo You are name-calling. Oh, you must be one of those lovely Christians. I don't live in Nigeria, thankfully, so I don't have to worry about hypocrites like you. Have a blessed day.
I feel sorry for your children
The bible was written by men, not God. Either way, there is no excuse for the ignorance and hate that you've written. God will surely send you to hell. Repent before its too late. Repent!
Seriously after all the PROVEN facts do really believe in the bible. 2 civilizations of hunter gatherers' far far apart had 6 of the more infamous stories/folklore flood,david and goliath, etc "enscribed" on the cave walls... 6,000 years prior to the 1st bible publication. the bible never lies genesis 2 God made ALL animals then man....same chapter god made man then ALL animals....loosely reciting but versley true....I've met 2 papacies (that worked in the Vatican who have mysteriously died because of trying to share TRUE info from the Vatican if the pope is not allowed to see the truth then why....
Being gay is fucking awesome. I've been married for almost 10 years to my amazing husband and it has been a truly fantastic journey.
Alan Chambers is ridiculous: he took nine months to figure out what to do with a woman sexually? Most boys can figure out at the age of 12 pretty much what to do.
Also, Alan Chambers closed Exodus in 2013 and apologized to gay people for the harm that Exodus caused, admitting that he never saw any evidence of real change in any of the tens of thousands of people he met.
Good video! I lived in NYC for ten years and attended taping of many Montel William's shows. I never saw him do a topic like this, and am very happy that he did. I have a renewed apprecciation and respect for him now!
This is amazing. Thanks for posting.
BTW dizzyntara, I took a look at your channel to see who it was making this incredibly insightful comment. So glad to see you are a devout Christian and Biblical schollar... (Sarcasm folks, take a look at her channel and you will see what I mean)
most esp. my husband,my friend. I know he wanted to support me 100% but distressed that the treatment had affected me makes him unhappy and stress too... After so many hypno sessions the psychiatrist asked me to sit down for talk...and told me that the treatment isnt working for me.... i felt so frustrated and so drained....after all those traumatizing treatment.....it make me feel so alone, sad, lonely, and distressed....
The Exodus website changed their policy statement form: [...dedicated to equipping and uniting agencies and individuals to effectively communicate the message of LIBERATION from homosexuality] to: [....dedicated to equipping and uniting agencies and individuals to effectively communicate the message of FREEDOM from homosexuality].
The Exodus staff can use a thesaurus! Congratulations! You get an A+ for your accomplishments in fourth grade writing!
VanDowall (1 second ago) Spam Marked as spam "Montel Williams: Homosexuality -- Is there a cure?" For what? The only illness is ones closed mind toward HS. A gentleman in the audience yelled out, "An individual has the right to change." I'm saying,
"An individual has the right to stay as one is, or change, if one chooses to do so." If one is HS, so what?
Thank you, electronicoffee. Btw, love the screen name!
Montel you friggin ROCK man. It's high time someone put bigotry in its place!
There is a difference between psychosis and neurosis. Psychosis - you don't know you have a disorder. Neurosis - you know you have a disorder and you are no longer in denial, the first step of beating a disorder(e.g. Alcoholism).
At 3:54, Montel really went off with his question. Technically, what he quoted says that Exodus International seeks to "effectively communicate the message of liberation from homosexuality."
Now, I'm a Catholic. I do my best to love people of every sexual orientation, walk of life, or creed; it does not mean that I necessarily agree with what they do, but I will attempt to love them just as Christ loves me despite my own faults.
Thus, I don't reach the conclusion that Montel does. (cont...)
208, neither religion nor any deity can change innate components of a human being. Being gay, being black, being left-handed, being tall, and any other natural, normal human attributes are unchangeable and a fundamental part of who you are. People can convince themselves of any myth, if they try hard enough, but the facts in the real world cannot be denied.
Montel is the MAN! Used to watch this show everyday after school with my grandmother.
"Liberation" is not much difference from "changing". And being called a "sinner" is not that different from being called an "abomination..." In many countries, words have much strong meaning.. He stated the first 9 months of his marriage "had nothing to do with attraction" and not even a minute later said "the attraction issue is there"
i woke up from hypnosis trembling and confused and couldnt much remember what questions ive been asked and my answers....the psychiatrist assured me its normal since most of the answers are coming from my subconcious than my concious state of mind...i thought it would make a difference and development but the only changes ive noticed is i felt more confused and more troubled than i was before the treatment..it has given a straint to my relationship with my family, friends and
@YWHissovereign. Hi there - in your Romans quote could you tell me who the "them" is and for what reason God gave them over? Thanks and god bless
Being gay in general is inborn. You don't know that you're gay once you're in this world but later on in life you will realize it. And its YOU who must acknowledge whether or not you want to live this life. But people need to be happy in life.
Two of the founders of Exodus had to come out that they had fallen in love while involved with the organization, and they ended up leaving the group and speaking out against it.
"You can change your mind about such things as attractions" You can never change your mind about which gender(s) you are attracted to, because your sexual orientation isn't a choice at all. "But what you fail to realise is that its not an attraction its called lust" No, what YOU fail to realize is that sexual orientation has nothing to do with lust, and homosexuality is a sexual orientation. Nobody is gay because they lust, but because that is how they were born.
Just because this guy did not find solace in leaving the gay lifestyle, that does not mean it does not exist. It is real just as being gay. For those who do not want to be or live in the gay life/style, then they do have options. Being gay is a choice.
Well thank God Exodus have confessed to the truth and is now over
@Romanee92 - Thank you! There really are so few Bible verses that homophobic bigots use to condemn homosexuals - all taken out of context or mistranslated. But almost all those who are severely homophobic are Gay themselves - and their anger and hatred comes from their own internal conflict, not from the Bible. As you say, we are doing God's work by helping each other and treating others as we would be treated. Love is the essence of Christian faith - not condemnation, not hatred. Thanks!
i never watched any montel williams before, but he's clearly a total legend
@ChristianMission - The fact is that while some Bisexuals have found opposite sex lovers (at least for a time), Gay men - no matter how strongly motivated - have never been shown to change their sexual orientation. Even after torture, shock treatment, LSD, years of prayer, etc., no "treatment" has ever been found "successful" in one single person - but just the idea that such "treatment" is possible has driven hundreds (maybe thousands) of Gay people to suicide.
@TruthAlwaysHerts when you said before "if you are having sex outside of marriage to satisfy your needs, fornication is a sin" in canada and many other places gay marriage is accepted so just because your gay... it doesnt really mean your fornicating.
@Atlavocat ,there's no definitive way to say homosexuality cannot be changed. Most of the medical profession is reluctant to engage in the required research probably out of fear of being de-certified and/or labeled homophobic. Robert Spitzer was condemned by the APA for his 2001 study which found at least some homosexuals can become heterosexual. It wasn't until 2003 that his study was published in a peer reviewed journal.
"therapy" in this case is very dangerous. No-one should mess with the mind regarding sexuality. i've heard of guys that have killed themselves having therapy like this. You are what you are, there is nothing wrong with being gay at all.
@MrJay429 - Agreed. That reminds me of a trip I took to the Netherlands on a guided tour. The tour guide spoke several languages one after the other. I speak French and English, so I listened to both. The guide said that there was a tunnel which flowed under the river and that it did not cost anything. In French he should have said it was "gratuite" (the French word from which we get "gratuity"), instead he used the French word "libere" which means "liberated". I broke out laughing.
I can see right through him. He has qualities which lead me to believe that he is still gay and not really straight. You can force yourself to do anything, but inside you can never really change. I couldn't imagine living with a lie like that, and the feeling of burden.
Spectrum of Sexual orientation (gay, straight, bi , asexual)
Spectrum of Gender (male, female, trans male, trans female, hermphrodites/intersexual)
Religious views aside i like the fact that a homosexual man acknowledges that homosexuality is not correct
On another video, Alan says that he made that choice because he was getting older and knew he wouldn't be as attractive to guys as he was when he was younger. In front of his wife on the Lisa Ling documentary, he admitted that his sexual attraction is to MEN .. not to the woman sitting beside him. I never saw a sadder face than hers.
Here's a tip: One of the most frequent "outer spacier" guests on "The Montel Williams Show", psychic SYLVIA Browne, was born OCT. 19, 1936 in Kansas City, MO. This is unrelated to failed cluster-coven public school systems, despite Williams being married to TARA FOWLer. NASA astronaut Robert LEE curBEAM's 37 days of space time is unrelated to WARNie Bishop--ex-mayor of tiny 27823--having a 37th floor job in one of the twin towers of NYC's World Trade Center at the time of the 2/28/93 truck bomb
I have a Master degree and I was tired youtube is not my thesis or my dissertation so let me clarify my best friend came out to me I helped him come out to family I helped him gain acceptance in his family according to Gods love they accepted him he decided he did not want to be GAY and has been married for several years to a mutual friend a woman we grew up with we share everything he said that GOD changed him I was just sharing the story also I know lots of Gay people that's all
No, I'm not religious since I am no longer forced into it, and I never claimed to be in my last post. I just find it amusing how just about every religious person picks & chooses or twists the words of holy books to suit their lifestyle. Yet they all say how they are so devout. Its not really possible to follow the bible to the letter with every scripture just "up for grabs" since everyone can interpret them any way they want to justify their actions.
Victims of religious stigma. He's been told since he was a child that homosexuality is wrong and you go to hell if you're gay. Well what happens when he figures out that he is gay? Of course he's going to lash out and pretend to be something he's not. He's terrified. Not admitting that, however, is wrong. The fact that he got married is not fair to his wife and certainly not fair to himself. We should tell kids that it is OKAY to be yourself, and being gay is not wrong or a choice.
Welcome back to the Patrick show! Today we're discussing Christianity -- is there a cure?
Sadly, people, especially those of religious zealousy, view homosexuality as an insult to society and tradition, and our government has only done things to tell gay people, "You don't have the right to be married," and even going as far as BARRING gay couples from adopting on the baseless fear that the child in question might turn gay. Honestly, I don't think anyone can wake up one day and say, "I think I'll be gay today." It's something that you're born with, not deciding on.
In his belief, he's not "pretending", he BELIEVES what he's doing is right for himself & wants to share that w/ others. He believes in the practice of self-control. Why is that so bad?!Just like being a sex-adict isn't a sin but having the self-control to not act on it is not self-abandonment, but standing up for what you believe.This guy isn't forcing this down anyone's throat. He's being asked what he believes in & is being ostrisized for it.
that comment is insanely ignorant. wow... i can't even believe you posted that.
I'm not indoctrinated, I only started believing in God three years ago and I made the decision out of my own free will. Nobody ever forced me or influenced me and I know exactly what the word abomination means in English AND in Hebrew. It doesn't mean something good and anyone with a real education knows that the word abomination is about the highest form of offence. And i'm not judging anyone, I believe WE ARE ALL sinners. I'm just not denying what the word means.
Homosexuality isn't a disease...its a natural feeling. U may try to change but its really up to the person to change their mindset!
2Timothy4vs5-the 2 Timothy verse that says "without natural affection" doesn't automatically mean homosexuality. Because the love b/w gays and straights are the same kinds of love. In fact that particular line in the verse is talking about a lack of love. You can see this if you look at NIV translations of the bible.
Three main studies are cited by "gay rights" activists in support of their argument. Hamer's X-chromosome research, LeVay's study of the hypothalamus, and Bailey and Pillard's study of identical twins who were homosexuals. In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves.
People have sexual desires in reference to many different things. It is myopic to tell gays who desire to have normal heterosexual relationships that can not. It is about thinking different and accepting their sometimes unwelcome desires and learning to let them go and use the creativity of their imagination to help them find sexual desire for their female partner. It is a choice. Let them make it if they choose to.
@IceKingXxxRS No, I'm not saying that. I'm merely suggesting that orientation might be shaped in some ways by your upbringing. You can't tell if someone is gay or straight until they hit adolescence. Its not as if the child comes out, and the doctor says "its a boy, and he's gay."
I hate how Montel was distorting words to say what he wanted to say. Clearly, Exodus International does not say they have the ability to change a person's sexuality, but that they help by providing the resources to help a person walk away from homosexuality and experience freedom from homosexual tendencies. If he would have read further on their website,he would have understood and they have changed the statement since then, like Alan said.
While I don't know about Exodus, people who WANT to change THEMSELVES with HELP have a RIGHT to seek it. The persistent theory that sexual orientation is immutable is DISINGENUOUS at best and psychologically HARMFUL at worst for some people. Research shows that sexuality is more Fluid than previously thought. Individuals who change and want change are being marginalized, invalidated and discriminated against. Options for self determination should not be smothered.
What I don't understand is why people don't realize people are born gay. Many times, like in my brothers situation, people don't want to be gay. It's not a choice it's a chemistry within the body. Do your own survey, ask some gay people when they realized they were gay...............age 4, age 5, age 10, age 12 etc. etc. etc. And it has nothing to do with molestatation. Molestation doesn't "make" someone gay. Boys get molested and they grow up heterosexual. Gay people are born gay.
DK1, I could go on and on w/ this subject. I have studied this for over 6 years, looking @ different cultures, history, relgious views, secular vies, scientific, biological/genetic codes and every pro-gay theorist. The fact of the matter is the feelings may exist, but we choose to act upon them. Trust me, you don't want to start this type of convo w/ me.
"there is no such thing as a gay feeling" You're right there is no such thing as a gay feeling, but there is such a thing as having romantic feelings for people of the same sex. And in case you didn't know, there are people who are only attracted to people of the same sex.
Except how no one gets "new attractions." The become, to quote an Exodus founder "Christians with gay tendencies who wished they didn't have those tendencies."
@Neesharani Your missing my point. On what basis do we judge what is moral and what is immoral? Why is human life more important than animal life? On what basis do we determine if an action is an act of kindness or an act of barbarism? Wasn't Nazism concerned with the well-being of the majority of the Germans? Isn't it more beneficial for the evolution of mankind to make the strong stronger than to keep the weak alive?
Put that in your pipe, and smoke it, 101 Tony Parker
And there is nothing of us that needs help. As of now, we are fine the way we are.
Thank God Montel's done. Instead of talking about what makes a person gay, the process of people who have stopped being gay, or something important he waves around a stupid disparity that could be interpreted in many different ways.
LOL! So, if I'm so miserable please tell me why I live in America's most expensive city, I travel the globe as a concert pianist. I've seen more of the world than the rest of my family combined, and I've been happily married for five years. All of my dreams have come true. If I'm so miserable, then I have no idea what you mean by misery.
It isn't really thrown in anyone's face. You simply interpret any evidence or public discussion of its existence as being 'thrown in your face' because of your own prejudices and fears.
The manner in which you just conducted your self speaks volumes.
My sake is quite fine, but thanks for caring. I have the Lord Jesus Christ in my life. I'm gay, the end. I didn't choose to be, I've tried to change, and was unsuccessful. I will continue praying to the Lord about this though. Have a blessed day Brother/Sister.
So who is to blame? Has God not shown us how we have fallen? Has He not shown us what we must do? (John 3:16) Has He not been patient with us?
And is there not a time when are chances will come to an end? So when we reap the consequences of our wickedness and constant denial of Christ, whose fault will it be?
"You are a gentle mannered and softspoken man" LOLOLOL . I love Dr Salzer cause you know exactly what she was saying. He's about ex-gay as Senator Craig.
I thought Montel was brilliant the way he busted him on lying about what his policy was in his torture camp.
Is there any place to find the full episode?
So, Mr. gay pastor, do you ever do sermons on Lev. 18:22 - 20:13 or Rom. 1:26-28?
Being gay is not a disease thanks for asking though. Diversity doesn't have to be so frightening.
Who says you can't change? Even if you wanna say that all this is a natural tendency you can still change. Don't try to limit the ability to overcome or change one's situation. If someone has the desire than there is nothing that that person cannot do.
Any decent Bible reader, should know that you have to know the history of what's going on when the particular verse was written in order to understand it. First of all, Effeminate IS a term referring to pedophiles making children become their sexual partners. It has nothing to do with simply being gay. Paul never makes a remark about loving homosexual relationships, only the homosexual practices that are promiscuous, and pedophiliac. There's always deeper meanings for the verses in the Bible.
Actually Beatbuddy, my dear, I was just going to give one response to her/him this time and leave it at that.
Obviously, he or he's/she's going to continue to stir the pot because he/she wants to have the last word reguardless of the productivity of the response. I guess youngsters just need to have the last word in order to feel better of themselves, and so I'm letting her have it. ;-)
Omg, it took him 9 months to figure out the simple mechanics of "Put it in"?
Being gay is not a choice and also there is no such thing as an ex-gay people shouldn't be forced to change who they are.
Where is the contradiction? I said "they have the right to". The statement "they have the right to " does not contradict the statement you made that 'they do have the right". I never said they didn't have the right...I said they do, and you agree. And you are correct, no one should be forced into it. I respect self-determination. Besides, no therapy is very effective if the person does not want it. There are multiple pathways (etiologies) to homoeroticism and some people can experience change.
did they completly go away or do you just ignore them now?
@ChristianMission - It is much easier to change one's race or religion than to change one's sexual orientation. At some point one has to decide if it's ethical to even try. Most professional societies have decided that it's not ethical - not only because it does not work - but because it causes more psychological damage than any potential benefit.
God does love these people regardless of what hateful "christians" might say and I wish we weren't all seen as being hateful as well.
i felt so tired...i really dont know what to do...ive suffered so much already and not only me i also make the people arround me suffer...
"Abnormality" in homosexuality is a medical opinion, one that not everyone agrees with.
I just feel so sorry for his wife, I think sooner or later, Alan is going to realise that the marriage he is in is meaningless and a waste of time. His wife is the one who is going to get hurt. I think it is only fair for himself and his wife that he lives an honest life, and accept for who he is, for his own sake and for the sake of his wife.
@idaman12345 I don't know why I'm gay. I spent years trying to analyze it, but none of it added up. I know I was attracted differently to men/boys when I was even as young as 4. At this point, the "why" doesn't matter. Spent 13 years trying to change it, didn't change a thing, except made me more obsessed with sex outside of any other tenderness (which became threatening). My most pathetic behavior was when I was the deepest in self-hate, and it took years to undo those scars.
While the process is much more complicated than what I'm about to state I'm sure, scientists have found that generally, testosterone plays a big part in creating sexuality in females AND males.
When, in my post, did I say that being gay is a bad thing? I'm bisexual, and I don't think I was programmed that way by accident.
He didn't know how it worked?! 13 years olds can figure it out, and a grown man cannot?
@oneandonlyperson
Since when was it a -negative- thing?
Homosexuality is a moral issue, not a civil one.
As I've written before, bestiality is animal abuse. Humans can be intimate with eachother regardless of sexual orientation because they are able to consent.
You're starting to repeat yourself, have you run out of arguments?
...like twenty times... my pastor wants me to go to such a "organization". I thank Motel for standing up and revealing these half-truths and lies. I mean all it takes, as Montel clearly reveals, is common sense!!!
liberation doesn't mean change, unless you changing your adress. Liberation can bring about change, but it doesn't mean change.
There's no need for society to pool its wealth to establish an "insurance" racket so that a small percentage of the citizenry can secure medical treatment. Costs are prohibitively high because of red tape: licensing, record-keeping, taxes & so forth. The government has no Constitutional authority to forbid, nor to regulate, private contracts made between doctors & their patients.
@Atlavocat Really? And you can document this? What am I talking about of course you can. Let see it?
Heezey: If that's the case, then I guess you're a potential homosexual? OHH I TURNED THE TABLES!
You are more intelligent than most pastors.
See, as educated he sounds... it's still ridiculous!
He treats it as if your sexual orientation is something you choose. You don't choose if chocolate tastes good to you. You don't choose if you are flexible enough to touch your toes. And you most certainly do not choose to be attracted to either women or men.
go montel! Alan can't even keep his story straight on what his organization or whatever he wants to consider it. He didn't even know what was being written on his own website, thats just insane!
"God doesnt deal in lust Satan does" I agree, but what does lust have to do with homosexuality? "people lust after cars, women, shoes" What does people lusting after these things have to do with sexual orientation? "didn't you notice that sins only lead to more sin" Sure, but what do sins have to do with homosexuality? I'm a lesbian, so what sins have I been lead to?
Does anyone where I can see the whole show? This clip was nice, but really annoying... lol
I want to see the rest...
This man is in TOTAL DENIAL!!...you can't change how a person feels,and nor should you...ridiculous...and so is his wife...
@October31st1517 - I have never, ever had any sexual attraction to a female. My first memories were of boys that I found attractive and exciting - even though I knew nothing about sex and considered (what I heard about) it "yucky". When I reached puberty I changed my mind about the sex part. A naked woman has never meant anything to me, a shirtless cute guy has always raised my blood pressure, heartbeat and shortened my breath tremendously. I've never had a heterosexual thought.
I agree with some parts. Nowadays people treat their bodies like filth. I die a little inside when a beautiful woman, whose body is Holy and a temple, let any man or men enter it. It's sick. I believe in a "Creator" because I have experienced love, and I know it's real. That's something science could never explain.
This is really pitiful, I think it's better to accept yourself and be happy rather than try to force homosexuality out of him. It's a shame we can't all be more open minded and tolerant
@MrMatthew554 - I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But people who are emotionally insecure often feel like they are getting "unwanted" same sex sexual attractions, but in fact their paranoia is based on their own same-sex sexual desire. Gay couples are just as capable of having deep long-lasting fulfilling relationships as much straights. I now know more Gay couples who have been faithful and together for more that twenty years than straight couples.