TRAILER: What's Morally Wrong with Homosexuality? - John Corvino
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- Опубликовано: 5 мар 2008
- Extended Trailer for "What's Morally Wrong with Homosexuality." Full lecture available on RUclips at • John Corvino - What's ... , or on DVD at www.gaymoralist.com.
Dr. John Corvino, also known as the "Gay Moralist," is a writer, speaker, and philosophy professor at Wayne State University in Detroit. He is the author of What's Wrong with Homosexuality? and the co-author (with Maggie Gallagher) of Debating Same-Sex Marriage, both from Oxford University Press.
Find the book version here: amzn.to/ZuIF2A.
Read more at JohnCorvino.com.
A voice of reason. Thank you, John Corvino.
Just happened to come across this. John, you're the best. Thanks for all you do.
Dr. John, thank U so much for clearing stigmas on homosexuality. The most important is, you let us rethinking our previous cognition and put empathy with every type of people.
Your speech is marvelous. LOVE IS EQUAL.
I sit here in my room distressed, frustrated and on the verge of tears. I see my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ mistreat, ignore, and hate the homosexuals, and in doing so they sin. I hope I could tell every single one of them "STOP! Jesus has called us to love EVERYONE, and by hating homosexuals you are sinning!" I hope we would treat everyone with compassion and love (something I struggle with...) the way God intended it to be. I hope we would see that we commit sins every hour, yet God still shows us grace, mercy and compassion, and just because someones sin looks different doesn't make it any worse than ours. And I hope we would truly shine the light of the Lord in this dark world.
On the other side, I see the world begin to spread the lie that being homosexual isn't a sin. I pray that that those who struggle with homosexuality would see that acting upon their temptations is sinful, just as a man who acts upon heterosexual temptations. Acting upon homosexual tendencies, is as a thieve acting upon his desire to steal, or a liar acting upon his habitual lying. No better, no worse. The frustration I feel at hearing the faulty (sometimes asinine) arguments for or against homosexuality, is painful. "Homosexuality is a danger to the nation's infrastructure", "The parts don't fit", "Animals don't do it", all these asinine arguments against homosexuality are illogical, and desperate. I know homosexuality is a sin because God exclaimed it, as Mr. Corvino quoted, in the Bible. Now, yes, a handful of the laws God set for his people in Leviticus, and other OT books are no longer required or followed, but have you noticed that all these laws were either for the safety of the people at the time, or ceremonial? All of the moral laws that God set in the OT still hold to this day (10 commandments, no bestiality, no homosexuality etc.). The ceremonial laws are laws set by God to his people according to the time, place, and situations they were at. As we all know time, places and situations change, therefor so do the ceremonial laws, but God is changeless and since God's moral laws stem directly from his unchanging nature they are also changeless. Also please understand that slavery back then was COMPLETELY different (I would go deeper, but I will let those who are interested to know what slavery was like back then research for themselves), so when he made the argument that slavery was accepted back in those days, which is true, it was viewed in the wrong light.
In conclusion, I would like to apologize to the homosexual community for how we Christians have handled the situation. But it pains me deeply that the world is starting to believe that homosexuality is acceptable, and even supporting it's growth. Yes. love everyone, help everyone, have compassion for everyone, put everyone before you, but don't take sin, and try to make it right, and acceptable.
Godspeed
Love, Jason
I absolutely respect and love that we agree on interacting with people with compassion and we should show love and respect for others. I admire you and your response but want to say homosexuality isn't about the sex, and the tendencies are malarkey. Of course, straight and gay people find themselves attracted to people, and thats ok. Its not ok to sleep around, and there is a logical case against it. But one thing you are forgetting is that what I feel towards another man isn't about the sex, I could care less about the sex. It's about falling in love with someone that enhances me and makes every day worth living. Its about committing to the one person who you want to spend the rest of your life with. Its about freedom and equality and letting people thrive on their own with the love and support of their peers. Its about creating human connections and fostering love and support for one another. its about human rights and treating people decently. Its about us, as a species growing together and uniting in our common values. Its about life and laughter and random vacations. Its about game night and movie night and taco tuesday. Its about those random nights on the beach where you're sitting on the lifeguard stand with the love of your life looking out into the ocean and wondering about what is ahead. Its about chasing your partner around the house with a water gun like a bunch of four year olds. Gay people deserve all of that, the chance to fall in love and raise a family and foster human connections. I understand your concern, but please stop making it about the sex, because in the scheme of things, the sex is so irrelevant. Our souls need love and nurture and laughter, and we all get that through the love of our life, our partner in crime you may say, and no matter what you're sexual orientation is, we all have someone out there, its up to you to find them.
I'm transgender and was bullied by other trans people' LGBT people are bullies too.
Nika Ro God created Adam AND eve. Not Adam and Steve. And God created you how you are.
Juice Religious argument that same-sex marriage and attraction isn’t a sin.
*NOT secular or based on science or facts.*
Old Testament
*Genesis 19
-Gang rape/hostility to strangers/lustful in nature
The men from the city were already aggressive (didn’t treat them very well) even after Abraham’s and Sarah’s hospitality was shown, the city didn’t like strangers and that could show accounts of narcissism and be disgraceful. Even historically speaking there were accounts of rapes for criminals and those deemed “immoral” ironically enough as in the ancient world it was seen as a cleansing of shorts and putting people “in their place” such as slaves, women, criminals, etc. I believe in Judges 19:22 it brings up the city of Sodom and after that verse, it explains how they horrifically raped him and possibly wanted to kill him. As for gang rape itself, it’s stated in Judges, not Genesis but hostility is referenced directly. According to the Torah, the kingdoms of Sodom and Gomorrah were allied with the cities of Admah, Zeboim, and Bela. These five cities were situated on the Jordan River plain in the southern region of the land of Canaan. Maps and scribes showed that trade routes were also redirected around the city constantly as they didn’t allow messengers and traders to stop and rest.
*Leviticus 18:22
*Leviticus 20:13
-Abomination also included: Sex during a woman’s menstrual cycle, eating pork, rabbit, shellfish, and charging interest on loans.
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-Part of the Old Testament Law Code which fulfilled by Jesus--Hebrews 8:13:”The old law is obsolete and aging.” This was never reiterated by Jesus therefore it was meant for the Israelites thousands of years ago.
New Testament
*Romans 1:26-27
-Description based solely off of excess and lust not committed, loving, caring , faithful, and monogamous relationships.
(Long hair [for men] was also “unnatural” and “against nature”.-Not based off any science for even back then. This was Paul’s opinion and not a statement from God. This was the social landscape at the time for freeborn men...
-Dominant/active NOT passive
-Could have sex with anyone below you in status( so long as it didn’t affect their honor(adultery))
This included
-Your wife
-Boys
-Slaves
-Prostitutes
-Actors and bar staff
In the Judeo world they lived in penetration meant sex, meaning that lesbians were never having intercourse in the first place because of how they viewed sex. This passage speaks of idolatry NOT love.
*Corinthians 6:9
-Culture talked about older married men (men) having sex with adolescent boy prostitutes (males); adultery and lust. The same was viewed upon masters and their slaves. Out of control lust-excess like, gluttony or drunkenness. (We changed “man” and “male” to “men” to make it an “easier translation”,but it lost its meaning from its original Greek vocabulary “malakoi” and “arsenokoitai”. Whether this was an accident or on purpose is yet to be known ,but looking at the Chathloic church we can deduce otherwise. Keep in mind sexuality wasn’t even a concept back then in that culture and society. It meant different things back in Roman culture which was just life based on sexual relations exchanged through patrticarchy to men who were already married, ussualy through payment and the desperation to survive for the adolescent boy prostitutes. Also, "arsen" in Greek means "man." Thus, it is most unlikely that "arsenokoitai" could refer to both male gays and lesbians. Various commentators have suggested that "arsenokoitai" means masturbators, pimps, prostitutes, boy sex slaves, male prostitutes, or abusive pedophiles.
*1 Timothy 1:10
-Out of context and doesn’t apply to our current societal views on relationships. Talks about masters and slaves having sex and married men with adolesncent boy prostitutes. Repeat of Corinthians 6:9. Also, "arsen" in Greek means "man." Thus, it is most unlikely that "arsenokoitai" could refer to both male gays and lesbians. Various commentators have suggested that "arsenokoitai" means masturbators, pimps, prostitutes, boy sex slaves, male prostitutes, or abusive pedophiles.
Notes/Critical Thinking:
*1 Peter 4:8: “Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.” (Used in context)
The Adam and Eve discussion:
-People lived outside the Garden of Eden meaning it doesn’t say you NEED to have kids, they were created solely to live(maybe reproduce) in the Garden of Eden...doesn’t mean you can’t marry someone of the same-sex or that you have to have kids.
Some things the Church fought:
The Church didn’t require consent for marriage if you were a woman or child.
The Church didn’t even bat an eye on child marriage if not encourage it.
Marriages where children weren’t made were considered sinful.
Marriage after a divorce that wasn’t based off of adultery from the mans perspective was considered sinful.
Interracial marriages were considered sinful.
Homosexual marriages were considered sinful.
Once the world progresses and the Church starts losing followers and money only THEN do they admit to cherry picking and changing scripture while yelling hate-filled, hypocritical, backwards, barbaric, and medieval rhetoric.
AND ZERO scricpture on the killing, torture, and/or hate of people in same-sex marriages or attractions. Hate in itself is also a sin. John 13:34-35 New International Version (NIV)
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (Unchanged translation)
What we can deduce is that lust is sinful. Everyone lusts since all it takes is even the act of imagning sexual acts not necessairly doing it. Lust and lustful sex is a sin which means you can also repent for it. In a nutshell a none-Christian and a Christian has to pray and repent. If you do believe it’s a sin then by the looks of it you’ll have to frown upon old couples loving each other, disabled people, or infertile people who love each other or have sex are also sodomites or sexuality impure. This is a religious argument not a secular one. For laws, especially in the West we use facts, science, and critical thinking. So there should be no reason why same-sex marriage should be illegal, criminal, or frowned upon under out current society and high level of thinking and philosophical capabilities. I’m pretty sure God didn’t create you the way you are just so hell doesn’t lack customers.
@@AG-wb3db well, when you get home from fantasy land and grow up, you might see that the fairy tail you are talking about is just that..a fairtail for lesser minded people.
this was an amazing video
You people dont understand what it feels like to me gay or lesbian or bisexual you dont know how hard it is to try not to be. I do believe in god but i dont understand why he wouldnt allow homosexuality. And i dont think he hates it
God didn't make anyone hetero, homo, bi, and certainly not trans. He created us male and female with a free will, and with free will, a choice on how you act upon it.
God hates the sin, not the people.
TheUndeniable No doubt you need to follow your own advice on "educating yourself."
Women do not produce testosterone, they produce estrogen. Testosterone is a male hormone.
And in the area of people i.e. children born with incomplete or indistinct sexual reproductive genitalia, that condition is not called homosexuality, that condition is called androgyny. That IS a physiological anomaly, not a sexual proclivity stemmed from behavior.
Clearly you've erred on this.
TheUndeniable I'm not interested in your quackery.
You've violated my disclaimer i.e. no contextual selectivity.
You will be ignored from here on out.
***** And you've wasted your reply with your cesspool mouth talk.
+Tsuruta1 So are you gonna admit that you were wrong or you just another lame religious moron like all of the rest?
Thank you John for your concise, logical arguments. Awesome talk!
Beautiful. Well put. We are one step closer to having a wonderful, non-judging world.
Man, you're awesome! :D
Powerful points. The end brought tears to my eyes.
Thank Dr Corvino, your conclusion says it all, I couldn't of said it better myself, your the best speaker, I jus love your entire presentation 👍👍👍!! A BIG THANK YOU!!!!
Excellent dvd by John Corvino. I highly suggest getting it, watching it thoroughly, and taking notes. It would also be good to take a good look a yourself while watching/listening to it. Love thy neighbor (as thyself).
nicely done with good humour, well done
Just watched this video, I came here via the video your speech at skepticon3. Two brilliant talks. Well done.
Love this. So perfect.
you are an excellent presenter=]
Keep going!
fantastic. Thanks John.
I could listen to this guy talk all day.
It's from 2008 or less, but this is so ahead of its time!
Finally, someone willing to publicly speak about this fucking important topic, THANK YOU.
Keep spreading the Truth, Jon... Good job...
Tym
It's great to have a guy like him. His arguments should be used to all of those who thinks it's wrong :)
That last bit had me in tears, John. Good tears, but still. Dammit.
说的太好了 ! great speech!
I just fell in love!!! ^_^
Well said!
It is 4:20 PM, 12/9/14 on this computer in the Walnut Creek, California Public Library, and this sound is being distorted. Every video of John Corvino that I have tried so far is changed from what I've seen before and the sound is so muffled, silenced, or distorted that it might as well as be muted. A logo comes on called Paradise Media. I suppose it is an anti-gay christian org. and they are responsible for the distortion. Is anyone else experiencing this?
If only everyone was educated and down-to-earth like this.
Once again, wonderful point of view and couldn't agree more : ). We need more accepting people in this world for we have far too much who hate and judge already.
@Funkifizzle
Explanation:
All matter was compressed down to critical mass in the beginning. When critical mass is reached, intense heat and pressure triggers a sudden release of energy. This was the Big Bang.
When you run simulations using the movements of galaxies and stars, the result is that everything came from a central point.
love this
I love this guy :D
I love this guy. Many good points ;D
A wonderful speech indeed.
@kkdkk7
That's my favorite quote from the trilogy.
"Life finds a way."
So true, so true.
@Funkifizzle
"It's like an asymptote. You can get infinitely closer, but you'll never get there."
That's what they said about landing on the moon as well.
His way of talking reminds me of James Spader as Alan Shore, in Boston Legal. Quite entertaining just like Spaders closing arguments.
Put Yourself In Other People's Shoes Before You Judge....realy that is moral vision .thnx john
@LionPanzer
What's your source of information? Conservapedia?
It says in the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
This is for everyone...not just the straight ppl!
1:30 was priceless. :D
@Funkifizzle
There was a definite burst of energy at the center of the universe that scattered matter all over the place. Beyond that, we don't know.
I got lost staring at his suit and forgot what the message was. lol
Preach it, brutha! :D
Meeting someone is one thing, getting to know they're struggles, pains, loves and innermost desires is another, and my gay friend is exactly that, he's perpetually happy. I've never seen him sad, discouraged and he's quite comfortable with who he his.
The only reason I suppose on why a gay person is bothered by they're sexuality is because people treats them differently, and they didn't ask for this. Being called an abomination, pervert or a aberration isn't exactly welcomed by anyone.
Thank you good sir for saying very much the same thing I've been saying for a few years,
Watching this was like listening to a debate where only one side got to speak.
Do you still feel the same way?
@@exnihilo415 Yes. If he were seriously wanting to defend this kind of thing he sould have had a counter view involved instead of him setting up silly arguments.
@@59Gretsch Your views on gay people haven’t changed in the last 11 years?
@@exnihilo415 I'm in good company, the vast majority of people in the world.... and through time agree with me.
@@59Gretsch The average person in the world makes under $10,000 a year and can't solve a quadratic equation. If that's your benchmark for excellence then no argument here. I was curious if your views had changed and the answer is clearly "no" and with that my curiosity has been satiated. Thank you.
Just completely pwned a crazy fundamentalist in a debate on the older version of this lol.
At last, a whiff of healthy fresh air.
@Funkifizzle
I didn't say "written." I said "created." Pay attention.
Over 200 books were submitted to the Council of Nicaea for consideration for the Bible, and the Council, headed by Constantine, put together a cohesive book to strengthen Christianity for one purpose: to unite Rome under one religious banner. Christians and pagans had been warring within the empire, so Constantine decided to side with the rise of Christianity.
To criticise can also mean you already formed an opinion based on your own personal feelings and knowledge and you do not desire a second thought on the subject.They have an opinion and they use that thought to judge the situation,it can be positive or not.Some people will take their personal beliefs with them to their graves Whether it be good,or whether it be evil.Faith and blind faith can be the same thing,you deeply can believe in something and it can negative or positive,they will follow.
tied to a fence post.
In some states, a gay couple can be fined and/or jailed for marrying out of state.
A bus load of kids were told by the bus driver that it was alright for them to torment another kid they percieved as being gay. (Whether he was or wasn't, I can't remember at the moment)
Add to this the numerous other counts of harassment against gay people as well as the fear of rejection if we come out to our friends and even our families and it's no wonder why the suicide rate is
I pray this mans wisdom will not fall on deaf ears. EVERY ONE of his points were 100% truth. Anyone who disagrees, please for the love of sanity and peace think VERY HARD about what he says. Take hours/days to think and read on each of his topics. I personally hope that you will eventually find favor with his point of view.
@charlamain2209
Perhaps. But not all 25 times. And if you're going to use figurative language, could every passage alluding to homosexuality be figurative as well?
@Funkifizzle
"If you isolate an instance and ask a question such as, "why does an object fall to the ground?...."
That's not an isolated instance. That's a general case without specifics.
Wow, you just described 95% of all sermons I've ever heard.
Dr. Throckmorton is not moving away he just seeing new way to support his views and i recently read a article of his and he supports the same thing.Dr. Throckmorton is an open minded individual and tries to look at all directions and i read many of his books.Also All humans can live normal, natural, and healthy lives that are free of mental illness,that is logic.I am a religious person and i will let God judge the fate of us humans.
@clnmyjts
Leviticus refers to the Levi tribe of Joseph. Meaning the book of Leviticus is merely an account of one of the twelve tribes of Joseph in one part of the world, which is what many people fail to grasp.
@montsyblackmadonna "Tea Party !" will there be cookies and cake?if yes,I'm in!
I haven't run out of arguments. There is simply no point in putting forth arguments when you refuse to accept basic facts, or to use logic or reason.
True. The key thing here is "consenting, responsible adults." Not sure how that fits into necrophilia (Death does not imply consent), cannibalism (Unless there's some sort of Alive-style survival thing going on and again, consent) or slavery (which is, by definition, not consented to).
@Funkifizzle
For example, it's very possible the book of Isaiah is not the only recording of those events. What if Matthew was quoting another recording, one that was kept in the local temple? Or what if Matthew was divinely inspired to correct the prophecy that Isaiah communicated improperly?
When people couldn't compromise about having black and white kids in the same school, they said why not have them in schools that are separate, but equal.
@Funkifizzle
"The Hebrew word "alma" is used in place of what Matthew calls a "virgin""
And you know the text from Isaiah has been flawlessly protected for how many thousands of years?
Consider also that the word "eunuch" is used three times in the verse, which suggests three kinds of men who are given to not marry.The first two usages were already familiar to the disciples.Jesus mentions those who are eunuchs from birth that is,they were either incapable of marriage because of physical deformity which prohibited having children or have no desire to marry.
This man is amazing - his message is so important. To all the gay teenagers struggling with their homosexual desires, just listen to him. It is ok to be gay.
"Judging would be me saying homosexuals deserve to die . . . "
No, judging would be saying "thing X is wrong."
You're get confused between "judging" and "condemning". People judge each other all the time; it's how we form our opinions about everything.
"I just do not agree with their way of life."
And that's you judging that way of life. I have no problem with how two consenting adults choose to conduct their affairs, and that's me judging them too.
"And for Homosexuals it's really not about marriage or equal rights. It's about slapping all Christians in the face by saying I don't have to respect anything about you."
Actually, no it is not.
It's the fact that people use their religion to despise and hate that we do not respect.
My grandmother was a deeply devout Catholic, yet I have not seen a single reason to hate her. In fact, I loved her as her entire family did.
The Phelps and the WBC on the other hand is another story.
@Funkifizzle
And how do you know that your "incomprehensible" entity doesn't want us to acknowledge it in physical form? Or even that it wants to be acknowledge? Or that one of those religions is randomly the right one for the wrong reason?
The thing with this guy is, hes very articulate and carefull with the words he uses. Most straight people are fine with homosexuality, as long as they don't have its graphic details rubbed in their face, like some gay rights extremists like to do. Maybe the population will be de-sensitized in a generation or two, but we're not ready for it now, and attempts to hurry this process along will result in a defensive reaction from the mainstream straight community.
@Funkifizzle
Nearly all "temporary explanations" are merely building blocks on the way to truth. Blackbody radiation is an excellent example of this...its power spectrum (intensity v. wavelength) was originally classically approximated with the Rayleigh-Jeans law...which is accurate for large wavelengths only, but this was only discovered later using quantum theory. Max Planck didn't overhaul the theory...he merely corrected it.
1. That definition was never questioned or contradicted in this video.
2. Every opinion is subjective. But only those that are backed up with logical arguments can be used as standart for the society.
HA! i love it! no one can refute this or try to make any type of comment against it. Love is love leave it a lone if you don't like it
@MomoTheBellyDancer
I think he just meant the term "love" more generally, as in "love thy neighbor" instead of "loving you tenderly". c:
@Funkifizzle
When I talk about rational thought, I mean thought based on tangible data, trial and error, and logic patterns. There is no logic in assuming a higher power exists. There is no logic in believing something because you read a single passage in an ancient book. There is no logic in believing something because some person told you once. These things are in the realm of possibility, but far outside the realm of reason.
@xNoHomosexualityx - in the development of sexual orientation is apparent from family and twin studies. Women with gay sons appeared to have an extreme skewing of X-inactivation of the x-chromosome. So, there is evidence of a correlation between sexual orientation and traits that are determined in utero as well as genetic. A study found the people undergoing these therapies never got rid of their attractions, they simply change the way they self identify. Also telling that nearly
@Funkifizzle About your points
A) First, just because you put two possibilities does not inherently require them to be divided into two equally probable explanations.
Second, to say that you cannot disprove something is not an effective argument for YOUR religion, because it works for EVERY other religion. That, and it's (NEAR) impossible to prove a negative.
B) Occam's Razor, the scientific method of choosing between two possible answers based on fewest assumptions made, debunks a creator.
and I like your avatar with the owl in the hat...
@Funkifizzle
The suggestion of metaphysical events of any kind might carry equal weight to a scientific explanation in a purely existential sense, but that's also beyond the scope of reason and logic.
@LionPanzer allow me to clarify, i am a straight guy with a girl friend, so please do not bash up everyone who doesn't agree with your point of view or label them as gay
If "a particular sexual act taking place behind closed doors" doesn't have "a direct effect on anything outside the bedroom"--and, for sake of argument, causes no harm to the people involved--then what sense is the behavior within the moral realm? Some activities are neither moral nor immoral.
@Funkifizzle
Mary was also not your typical virgin. She was a married virgin and not exactly young, which could definitely cause some confusion.
From your unlimited list, humour us by telling us just ONE thing? Maybe one of your FAVOURITES thing to hate? I'm sure that list is pretty extensive too.
@thomaseshuis And why is that? Has there been a study done? Or will you say that merely because there hasn't been a study, it proves the contrary?
@Funkifizzle
"some sort of direction..."
That's not a definitive direction, to use your favorite word. There's more than one direction. In fact, there's an infinite number.
None of them, including a few other works I consulted, remotely suggested "homosexual" could be an alternative definition. In addition to the idea of a castrated harem guard, the word eunuch did expand in meaning to include high court officials who held prominent positions in a royal court, but may not necessarily be castrated. Again, none of these works implied the word could be used to describe a person disposed to homosexual persuasion. This is something of a novel, modern invention.
@Funkifizzle
The Constitution doesn't put "morals" into writing. It puts rights into writing. A very important distinction. In this way, rather than defining what people CAN'T do, it defines what people CAN do, which is "your right to swing your fist stops at the end of my nose." (Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes).
I was mostly talking about the Bible when talking about power and control...it was, after all, created by an Emperor and a council and then kept out of public hands for years.
On page 293 of "Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus in Dictionary Form," Edited by the Princeton Language Institute, Barbara Ann Kipfer, Ph.D., Head Lexicographer (1993) ...we find the synonyms for: FAITH : acceptance, allegiance, assent, assurance, belief, certainty, certitude, confidence, constancy, conviction, credence, credit, credulity, dependence, faithfulness, fealty, fidelity, hope, loyalty, reliance, stock, store, sureness, surety, troth, truth, truthfulness
@Funkifizzle Is space one infinite measure, or can space exist within space?
Amazing video i'd love to go to one of this guy's lectures. I have one phrase for everyone who hates on homosexual people: People are people.
@Funkifizzle
You can't operate under the assumption that any religious text is correct and expect other people to take you seriously. There's no problem with following those texts (violence pending), but don't expect to convince anyone with a "I'm right and these other religions are wrong" attitude. You're proving Voltaire's point.
plzzzzz!!! come to the Middle east. you are amazing, and u inspired me :)
@xothegirlz Before you call me a homophobe, read Thomas Schmidt's, Straight and Narrow. Quote from the book, " The number of homosexual men who experience anything like lifelong fidelity becomes, statistically speaking, almost meaningless. Promiscuity among homosexual men is not a mere stereotype, and it is not merely the majority experience-it is virtually the only experience. Lifelong faithfulness is almost non-existent in the homosexual experience."
Same-sex marriage is legally recognized nationwide in Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden and in many parts of Brazil.
@kyeruu2 RIght...makes sense...finally someone does.
@Funkifizzle
"finite based upon how the human mind distinguishes certain quantities from others."
The human mind is incapable of distinguishing quantities over a certain number except by their numbers. The actual concept of a quantity of something blends together as quantities grow larger.
I want to meet this man. :D He is just too cool
@Funkifizzle
Ptolemy wasn't the first or the last advocate of the geocentric model. I used him as an example to represent the school of thought in that time period. My point is that false truths can perpetuate just as easily as truths.
"your analogy doesn't work when a book claims that 600,000 PEOPLE witnessed an event. "
Again, no corroboration, no evidence, only meaningless speculation.
@Funkifizzle 2/3
I apologize for painting you as a Christian if you aren't. I didn't mean to accuse you of actually making the claim that a god exists so much as reminding what claims require, that their is something of a flaw in the "first cause" argument by saying that something cannot come from nothing(SCCFN), then turning around and saying that there had to be something first, though. That would just push the question of origin up a level without really solving anything.
My yearly planner is a pretty gay agenda. It has many brightly colored flowers on the front.