Josh Pate On Having G5-Only College Football Playoff (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2024
- The College Football Playoff is expanding but not everyone is happy with the result as G5 conferences have begun exploring other options. On Late Kick Live Ep 507 Josh Pate discussed a report the G5 could explore having their own playoff in the future. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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I’m definitely watching a G5 playoff system & the G5 Championship game … I would love to see conference stability without realignment & seeing several conferences battling it out for the championship each year
Because everyone loves watching the NIT in March
The _current Bowl setup_ is the NIT. This would be taking the Auto-bids that are on the 13-16 lines and giving them their own "Dance", without a bunch of mediocre P4 teams stinking up the joint.
This would be for their national championship so not even close
A G5 playoff while interesting is highly unlikely and short sided.The The first reason is that some G5 programs don't want it because they want to compete for playoff as unlikely as that might be. Also, TV networks won't be inclined to give substantial payouts to televise a G5 playoff either. The FCS playoffs while great, and the schools don't get significant revenue from the tournament. While I love the idea as a fan and alum as a mid-major, it's not going to happen. I think Josh is being an elitist here as he's downplaying the significance of G5 programs and implying that CFB solely belongs to the P4 programs, and that's not right.
Delusional.
Heck, schedule it right and the G-5 champion can be in the 14 team CFP playoff as well.
@@jansonroberts2616 That's what I think they should do. Make a 4-team playoff and the winner goes the CFP. Have your cake & eat it too.
Delusional at best thinking G5 teams can actually compete vs p5 teams in the NIL era😅😅😂
@@brandonjordan4596 So now you want the G5 to play 20 games to win a title game, but those in the P5 just have to play 18 at max?
No one is talking about the dramatic impacts this has had on high school football. Everyone wants a piece of the pie.
Greed
@@Taurus75711 I saw a high school from CA has teams schedule in NJ, FL, & HI. At what point is too much too much?
@@HeartlessWon506even my high school in Ohio has gone from a local league in 2000s, to one they basically created in a 75 mile radius, wasn’t good enough and now plays in Detroits league all year even though it’s an hour away, and regularly schedules NY, FL, NJ, as well as driving 3 hours to Cleveland annually. Pure madness.
Josh’s mom should watch South Alabama vs Oklahoma State from last year. The guys in red and white played better 33-7
Also dont forget Vandy vs UNLV, or JMU vs Virginia, or Fresno State vs Purdue, or Ohio vs Iowa State, and several other matchups
Man its crazy how these “teams who can never compete at the level ” can beat members of conferences of “that competes at a higher level”
Its almost like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, Texas, and Michigan are in a level so high their own conferences cant even compete with them 😂😂😂😂
@@ninjadanny628 It is true that the average P4 team is better than the average G5. It is true that they make more money and have higher budgets. But that doesn’t make every P4 team better than every G5 team like lots of people say.
Yeah one team beating another team doesn’t mean that the G5 and P5 are even close to each other.
@@CFBNate The P4 on average is better than the G5 but the top 50% of the G5 on average defiantly beats the bottom 25% of the G5. If we’re going to split choose the best programs Vanderbilt can’t be grandfathered from 70 million years ago
@@CFBNate Ok you wanna explain how tf this sport is about competition, but a program like Boise State isnt in the P4? Bruh they have a 72% win record for the last 100 YEARS..... Wtf are we doing here? Wtf else do you need? They are the ONLY program in the league who has never had a losing season this century but were gonna act like Rutgers is more deserving of 30 times the contract than this program?
Your opinion is a joke when this reality exists.....
Like Boise State plays Oregon this year right. Everyone and their mother assumes that Boise State is going to get destroyed, because they a G5 and are this little program. Do you know what the all time record is between these schools? 4-0 in favor of Boise.... And this isnt some ancient history vs bad Oregon teams - 50% of their games have been in seasons Oregon won their conference. I dont think BSU is gonna win this year, but god it be hilarious if they did again.
You cannot claim that the P5 is so superior when teams like this exist in the G5. It makes zero sense.....
I would love for the group of 5 to have their own playoff and national championship
I love this idea. It separates the haves from the have nots while still giving those G5 teams a chance to win a championship. P5 and G5 are two completely different weight classes. No point in pretending they’re not anymore.
It’s fine with me as a G5 fan. But either don’t split or choose the best teams. More than half the G5 beats Vanderbilt year in year out. The top half of the G5 I would argue is better than the bottom half of the P4 on average
@scottyclayton2501 I'd say Top quartile and Bottom Quartile, but you have a point regardless. My "pie in the sky" is a biennial Promotion and Relegation system wherein, e.g., the Top 2 teams in the Max replaced the Bottom 2 teams in the Big Ten. There should be a few teams that would stick. It'd be better than these media-based musical chair campaigns we've had for the past decade plus.
EDIT: BTW, I'd also accept a 9+5 tourney setup. Give _each_ of the Conference Champs a shot, even if it is unequal, and reduce the number of Power At-Larges. Maybe the "different style of play" in the G5 is the kick-in-the-pants the CFP Meta needs. But we won't get that with just 1 bid.
I’m fine with this just choose the best programs. No vanderbilt in the P4 if their is a separate playoff
I would totally watch that. Many CFB fans tend to also have a G5 team they like as well.
Hugest ranked G5 champ should make the big playoff.
The other 4 G5 champs + conference runner up of the league that made the big playoff makes a G5 playoff. Make that 8 teams for the G5 playoff with 3 at large.
I actually raised the question: why wouldn't college football have a NIT style tournament like basketball does? You could do the 12-25 ranked teams
Bro put a graphic of the best G5 teams by record and didn’t put 13-1 Liberty from this year. Tell me he’s not a casual
I absolutely hate your backdrop. I love the idea of the G5 playoff. Means more football to watch. All about it as a Dawgs fan.
You're just scared of Boise State you bum.
I disagree with this. They don’t need a g5 playoff. These programs deserve to grow like any other program does.
Yes, they do. That's why they *need* their own playoff:
1. A playoff will allow the G5 to have a TV revenue stream independent of the P4. Maybe not $1.3 billion, but odds are the pie will be better than the roughly $117 million they currently have access to.
2. It'll allow the kids to fight for something more than being the football equivalent of a 16-Seed. And to have that "something" be settled on the field. 8 years ago, I wanted the CFP to add 2 pre-Christmas bowls to its setup: 4 vs 5 and a G5 Championship between the Best G5 Champ and the best G5 team from outside said champ's conference, with the winner getting the G5's NY6 slot. The former probably in Hawai'i and the latter likely being the Bahamas Bowl.
@@Donald_the_Potholer no there are people that want them to divide. For greed and more. If they ever split contractually it’ll be over for good.
@Donald_the_Potholer Go to a G5 locker room and tell them this. They will peacefully accept that you are right and that they suck at their sport. Definitely no issues
@@Donald_the_Potholer Or heres an idea.... Actually fix the corruption in the sport...... What a concept......
They would grow with their own playoff though
Does this apply to Oregon State and Washington state?
What about UCF? or Cincinnati? There will always be exceptions. And I think if a G5 team is good enough, they should have a shot. That said, I would support a G5 playoff, but dont lock the door to a "real" national championship.
Those teams could get one or two upsets in the playoffs, but they arent winning the title. cincy in 2021 was crushed by bamas weak o line in the playoffs that year and could only score 6 points
They are in the big 12 now…
G5 conf championships should be a week early. The next week the 2 highest ranked champions play each other for a G5 national championship and a bid to the CFP. Gives a chip to compete for while also not giving the chance for the CFP
@@AIRWAY26 Omg a defensive team couldnt score a lot of points - what a shock..... Bruh 2021 Cincy ranked #11 in total offense - sub 40 per game. They werent Western Kentucky with Zappe.
@@AIRWAY26 The problem is historically your argument wouldnt hold water. Yes more recently the G5 doesnt have the same strength as typical national champions, as they typically focus on really only one aspect of the game (offense of defense). But to say that no team could accomplish this is ignorant af of the BCS era......
People act like 2021 Cincinatti is the cream of the crop. 2010 Boise State ranked #2 in offense, #2 in defense, beat 4 Top 25 teams and had the higher margin of victory in the game at 36+ per game. They were the SECOND HIGHEST RANKED G5 team that season......
But heres the problem. In the BCS era the G5 was extremely pissed off because no matter how good their teams were this garbage af sport prevented them from making a title game or major bowl games. That 2010 Boise State team? They ranked #7 in the country and got snubbed from a BCS/NY6 bowl by 5 LOWER RANKED P5 teams. The G5 tried every avenue to get the sport to fix the corruption that persisted. But no instead all the P5 heads wanted it to continue and only when the G5 threw down the hammer by getting the US Federal Government to sue the league did the CFP get created...... (but notice how all the media pundits dont even acknowledge that this happened). Theres literally Senate CSPAN of this - but NOBODY in the cartel that is college football will ever talk about this.
I’ll watch it if it happens.
Listening to UNT AD Jared Mosley on 365 Sports suggested that instead of having a separate G5 playoff, he suggested an 8 team G5 playoff to select the G5 CFP representative. IMO FBS should break up into 3 divisions in FB. Div 1 P2; Div 2 P3 & 4; Div 3 G5.
I thing that is what the networks are driving us to, we will eventually have a "new D1" of 48 teams in the B1G & SEC, then a lower level D1 of what use to be G5 & the PAC, ACC, & Big 12 teams that didn't make the cut.
I could see the G5 doing this. And it would make sense in a way. But at the same time I'm not sure that's what all those G5 schools signed up for when they transitioned from FCS to FBS. That's our problem... G5 schools are considered FBS. They went through the processes; whether long ago or very recently, to play in the big boy division. But are they really playing in the big boy division is what everyone is trying to figure out. If we make a "G5 Playoff" aren't we basically saying those schools involved wasted time and money jumping up to the FBS? All of a sudden the G5 is it's own division and they Don't get looked at as being anywhere near equal terms with the Power 3/4 out there. The money and exposure those schools at least thought they'd get as FBS schools can't possibly be there anymore if those schools suddenly can't play in the same post-season that the Power conferences play in. Doesn't that just make the G5 the NEW FCS? And then relegates the current FCS to being like the NEW Division 2? What's the point of it all? What was the point of the processes these schools went through? I'm just wondering. I don't think there are good answers to any of this out there.
I hope it happens
But yet Georgia State fans think that they are so much better then Kennesaw State and the FCS.
I would say it is unfair to the G5 because of the lack of consideration in playoffs and playoff expansion. The 12 team playoff only guarantees 1 G5 school every year. FCS has a 24 team playoff and every other NCAA sport has at least one representative from every conference in the playoffs. Why should football be different? At this point they might as well break off and form their own playoff so they can have something they all can actually compete for.
I want to see Josh go to a G5 locker room and tell them they can’t compete. Maybe talk to some coaches. See what they think
I understand the concept, but where is the cutoff line of teams. My point is that a team like Troy is just as good and most years better than Big Ten IL and have the same chances to win a national title. An App St consistently can play with the likes of a SC in the SEC. Again, I like the concept, but even the big conferences have teams that have just as bleak programs and odds. What do we do with them, because they are just cannon fodder for conference play most years. No disrespect to those teams.
If those Schools want to transfer to the G5 where they would have "a chance", then they should have that right. Then again, those schools would likely stay where they are because Revenue Sharing.
@@Donald_the_Potholer I'm just talking from the position that half the schools in the major conferences don't have a shot to compete just as much as the G5 schools that folks turn their noses up at. They just get more revenue from being in a better conference like you said.
If it was that important to win a national championship the G5 would drop down to the FCS.
Lol, exactly.
combine the best FCS teams with the G5 and demote the worst FCS teams to divison 2. South dakota state could absoultly win a G5 title.
great idea
Why not relegation in the P5? Oh wait then youd have to acknowledge that theres a good amount of G5 schools that are superior to the P5......
Ironic af considering that the University of Tulane has more SEC Conference Titles than 7 programs that exist in that conference...... Wtf has Miss State, Vandy and Kentucky done to deserve being in that conference for football?
you should react to this being posted to the college football subreddit. just out of curiosity i would like to hear your opinion on the criticism that was commented in that post. me personally, im neutral of a G5 playoff. im ok with them either having it or not.
South Alabama vs Alabama? Alabama only plays against the big boys. There ain't no way a G5 team could ever beat us.
Roll tide!
we lost to louisiana monroe in 2007 my guy
You almost lost to a USF team that went 1-11 last season.
@@ninjadanny628 usf was 7-6
@@AIRWAY26 they were 7-6 this season. Look at their record the year before
@@ninjadanny628 last seasons record doesnt matter when they played a team from this year
no a group of 5 play off is a terrible idea.
what they should do is remove auto bids for group of 5 teams and let them earn their way into the playoffs. by making a group of 5 playoff you are just stripping away their chances to prove themselves
A group of 5 team will never win a national title in the current format
A G5 will never be allowed in the playoffs without an auto bid due “brand presence”
@@jacksonperry8283 cincinatti finished in the top 12 in 2021
ucf finished in the top 12 in 2017 and 18
tcu finished in the top 12 in 2010
utah finished in the top 12 in 2008
boise state finished in the top 12 in 2006
@@whatlol_e those teams would not survive a Power 5 schedule. they could get an occasional upset over a quality team in a bowl game but in a 12 or 14 team playoff they would not make it past the second round. they dont have the depth and with the transfer portal its pretty much over for the G5 ever competing with the big schools. the best g5 teams this year were all crushed by mid power 5 teams. Troy losing to 7-5 duke with their backup qb
@@AIRWAY26 funny thing is all those teams except for cincinatti beat their ny6 opponent, but keep being delusional 👍
A G5 playoff will get good ratings if scheduled correctly. It's like UFC. UFC has weight classes for a reason.
U might as well make them D2 then…. Ik it’s super improbable but these guys go D1 to chase the real thing yk, maybe g5 playoff winner gets a chance in the real thing
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The g5 playoff would lower the quality of player the group of 5 get. They're able to play for a natty rn. Nobody would care about their naia level championship. They're division 1.
I'd *much* rather watch that than an all Big Ten and SEC playoff.
Either the Greg Sankey is paying you or you should stick to the NFL
I’m for two 64 team playoffs, and a relegation system.
Relegation and promotion system is the only way forward. Enough of the guarantied $$$ keep you program at the top and you keep earning...screw up your program and cash is dwindling. Should have had the same in the NFL. Todays no risk system only protects owners. Promotion and relegation would ensure no tanking and team owners would have to use skill in building and maintaining.
Well this will never happen so it's not even worth discussing
A 6 round playoff in football 🤣🤣🤣 You should get banned from this channel for saying that.
@@kevinbond8966lol. There’s already a 64 team playoff. It’s called the regular season.
@@kevinbond896632 teams play only one round. Your point?
I thought we did...NIAA
Why did you skip FCS? The fact is we need ANOTHER division between FCS and the power conference in FBS. The G5 division. Josh's point is it already exist. Folks just need to acknowledge it.
Good now add promotion and relegation. Then we will have the European soccer leagues format that gets rid of complacency in organizations.
I'd even have just 1 16-team "Conference" with feeders from the G5: Oregon State, Washington State, 2 from the 10-team C-USA, and 3 from the other Conferences, with OSU & WSU being within the relegation sphere of the Mountain West. If you want to only take 2 from the MAC and Mt. West, each with 12 teams, and 4 from the AAC and Sun Belt, each with 14, then that's fine too. Give that Conference the G5 berth in the CFP and give the actual G5 their own playoff.
“No one would think south alabama is competing against alabama” well ig South Alabama beating big 12 runner up Oklahoma state by almost 30 points.
“No one expects Georgia State to compete against Georiga” welp ig Georgia State can never beat an SEC team like Tennessee.
Half of the SEC can’t compete with Alabama, Texas, and Georgia. Half of the Big Ten cant compete with Ohio State, Oregon, and Michigan.
May as well have g5 playoff. Putting a g5 in the CFP is a waste of time. They have a snowballs chance. Then again, any team below 6, and 9 year out of 10, any team below 3, has a snowballs chance.
Dump on Vanderbilt (Never been ranked/relevant) rather then the damn Cougs. Being a perennial SEC door mat does not impress anyone.
Vandy is a GREAT example for that unless you’re talking baseball. Every SEC fan I talk with uses Vandy as the “bottom dweller” example so I don’t think you’d get much in the way of pushback outside of Nashville…
RTR
@@skipgumphrey9579 If baseball is all that matters, then wtf isnt Cal Fullerton P5? Literally have twice as many titles as Vandy..... There are no excuses for this garbage sports league.....
With your arrogance NC State would not have had a chance to win the National Championship by defeating Houston. We want to see the Cinderella team upset the #1 team . The system we have been forced to watch takes away what we want.
Hand picking the two best programs. Trash opinion.
And forgetting that a Top 4 Alabama literally got DESTROYED with Saban by a G5 team in the post season.....
A gulf between Washington State and Florida…. Yes, Washington State is better…. lol
South Alabama can win games. So tired of this bias, let the 12 team playoff play out, the SEC and big ten era will implode quite soon.
Love your show but disagree. Get rid of the dead weight in the P5 then add a Memphis & Tulane. With academics meaning nothing anymore then neither do traditional powers .