Josh Pate On SEC & Big Ten NEARLY Breaking Away - New Report (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2024
- The College Football Playoff has entered the 12-team expanded era. On Late Kick Live Ep 506 Josh Pate reacted to a report detailing how the SEC and Big Ten nearly broke away from the rest of College Football recently and what the landscape would look like if they ever did. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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You know the greater good is not in the mix for either leagues. Whatever makes the MOST money is what will develop
Capitalism baby, NCAA needs to get their shit together and not go after schools for petty things. Need to keep things from collapsing.
Keeping it on ESPN reduces my viewership, and I eat, drink, and sleep college football. As the rest of Pate State does.
True. Disney has been the worst thing to ever happen to CFB.
@@DavGreg*most things they dip their hand in*
Amen.
@@DavGregif it wasn't ESPN it would have been someone Else . This is just capitalism..
ESPN is ruining college football with its total focus on the playoffs. At the end of the season, only one team is happy. The bowl system was much better for culture and color, plus, there were 40+ winners.
Well that makes sense. The b10 and sec are no longer CFB conferences. They are exactly like the semi-pro farm teams in baseball. And the CFP has never been a “playoff”. The NFL has a playoff. The CFB has a private invitational tournament. Has been since 2013.
To find actual CFB you gotta look in D2-3 and FCS.
bless you for the truth, but this year their monopoly crashes.
The major CFB conferences are climbing a hill that leads to a big cliff. The top of the hill is loaded with $$$$, but as they climb, they keep getting closer to the edge where suddenly they lose their connection to the colleges and simply become a minor pro league.
You know a serious when we get dark Josh Vader😮
Is black shirt Darth Josh Vader 😂 We need a series now
ESPN created this monster
I will not watch any SEC or Big Ten games if we head towards a two power conference model and leave everyone else out. I'd much rather watch Oregon State play San Jose State and if I have the money, get tickets to the Causeway Classic.
CFB is starting to lose people. They better fix it before it gets bad.
Once they see the money a home playoff game brings a small town its going to boom unlike anything we've ever seen
That’s why they’re trying to merge all the best colleges and two conferences but a lot of the old people don’t like it so they have to do it slowly
@@alexa7736a lot of the new people don’t like it either
@@claypennington602 Sorry me and my friends are new to football and we don’t care at all how the system was running we love the new format that looks like it’s going to be two major conferences so we don’t have to watch a bunch of games that don’t matter at all just because a lot of you old people say it’s tradition
@@alexa7736 how can you take your opinion on the matter seriously when you just admitted to experiencing it a void. If you never experienced the old format maybe you shouldn’t juxtapose the new with the old… just saying.
And for the record. Old format was better. If you have to use the term “useless games” then you’re not really a college football fan. Sorry bud
Well I won’t be watching any CFP as I can’t afford ESPN. Need to get these games on regular TV
Great reporting, I agree with you. I also think that if the Big10 and SEC break way from the rest of college football, it will be the biggest mistake they could make. It would ultimately destroy them. They need to stop being so damn greedy and be ok with making the most money and not bully the rest of the league with threats. If they ever start their own league it will to their own demise.
Big facts
Nah would be the demise of everyone else, as the big ten and sec would have literally all of the most popular teams with the biggest fan bases.
I doubt too many ohio state fans would stop watching and root for akron instead. Or georgia fans etc etc. When florida state and notre dame go big ten whats really left in the "big 12" or "acc" anyways
@JoeKoors You say that like state and federal politicians aren't getting involved already. Just don't act surprised when those antitrust and racketeering conspiracy investigations/charges come down the pipe.
Here’s a novel idea. These other school you reference should make the same financial commitment to build their programs as do the SEC and Big Ten. What is unacceptable to the SEC & Big Ten is other schools and conferences making out like bandits by pocketing the money and then doing little to nothing to improve their product. That’s why those conference say “Screw it, the others want us to do the hard work and then give them the money for nothing.”
I totally agree you need the right people in the room. But we seem to be living in a world where compromise is a bad word. People need to agree on what is good for the sport and that is not just the profit line in a ledger, and then make it happen. So we can get on and enjoy our sport.
They won't do that bc they know that they'll have to pay players in the near future so they're making as much money as possible.
Who looking out for the fans? No one. It's going to be too expensive to watch. Pay per view ring a bell? Just like boxing
BRUH GET SANKEY AND PETITI ON THE SHOW!
Josh, I hope you reading this.
They would never, they know the whole country hates them
The CST proposal needs to be done. It's the only thing that will provide stability and keep these two conferences from killing the sport.
If they really intend to break away, they will definitely have to take in more teams in both conferences. Which means they will boat race to get Clemson and FSU regardless of what their history is. There just isn't going to be any more major players on that level left to fight for in the future and the conference that gets them will gain a lot of ground on the other conference. The market or titles arguments aren't a factor in a big 2 system anymore. It's "who has the most big pieces" that determines a lot.
They need to start reversing and/or fixing 3 key things NOW, not later, NOW because if the damage isn’t already irreversible it will be soon.
1. NIL needs to be completely overhauled and enforced with REAL consequences. It’s Pay to Win and barely any school do it how it was meant. Saban made sure Alabama was one of them as he didn’t buy players and before anybody talks about Bryce making 2 MIL that was AFTER he won himself the Heisman because NIL is supposed to be a tool for players to benefit FROM THEIR OWN NAME, IMAGE, and LIKENESS by producing on the field making them self known to the world.
2. Transfers Portal needs to return to closer to how it used to be.
- 1 Window which is after the Natty for 30 days.
- Only Seniors and/or RS Juniors are allowed to Transfer.
- Players can only transfer ONE TIME unless a special occasion like a Coach moving on or being fired. Lastly is a special circumstances like family issues.
- if a Coach leaves it opens for 15 days and if a Coach is fired 30 days.
- Also coaches need to be required to works a minimum of their contract because the way coaches used Saban and Alabama has a 1-2 year stepping stone was bullshit and another reason that made it so difficult for Saban as it would anyone to keep winning.
- Also when Coordinators leave they shouldn’t not be allowed to take any of the staff members with them and can’t offer them a job until they’ve been at their new School for an entire season. Sark bailing on Saban last minute after getting 2 RAISES and POACHING 5 Position Coaches should not be allowed
3. CFB Structure (Regular Season and Post Season)
- There should be 6 Conference with 12 Teams each separated into 2 Divisions and those Teams being made up of ONLY Good Teams that are consistently able to to win over 50% of their games.
- Take Schools like Vandy and similar should be dropped to D2 and reshuffle all conferences with Good Programs only.
- 12 Game Schedules. 9 of 12 Games should be Conferences Games with 6 Games being same Division and 3 being Cross Divisions Games.
The last 3 remaining Games should be out of Conference Games. Every Teams 1st Game will be an against a Big Time Program at a neutral site. The other 2 Games will be a Home/Away for 2 Years that way both Teams play in each others Stadium. But of the last 2 every year 1 of them will be Home vs 1 Team and the other Game will be away.
*Conference Titles and Playoff*
- Winner of each Division will play each other for the Conference Title and Winner gets an automatic spot into the Playoff.
- Playoff should have went to 6 Teams first, but should never be more than 8. All Conference Champs play for it all.
- If there’s 8 Teams 6 will be Conference Winners with 2 being the most deserving lol:
This is a wild time for college football.
As with so many issues: where you stand on a current issue depends very much on where you sit.
I wish they would just leave. they're owned by Disney. Disney destroys everything they touch nowadays. ABC, ESPN, LUCASFILM ..... etc. Stop destroying College Football.
Too much money involved now, give it to 5-10 years we ganna have 2 super conferences. In college football
Won't be long before we have football teams flying in from Japan, the UK, and Australia
And the product will continue to decline just like the nfl
Next 5-10 minutes
If the SEC/BIG 10 walk away, they will take rest of the teams worth having (Clemson, FSU, ND, OSU, etc.) with them. Then - that is college football. It's gonna happen. Just watched Josh advocate for a G5 play-off. That is a step in this direction. Let's just acknowledge - there are haves and have nots. Why keep acting like GSU is the same as UGA? The truth is there are current SEC/BIG teams that won't survive the cut either. I'm looking at you Vandy & Northwestern.
OSU?
Northwestern and Vanderbilt have more money than most SEC/Big 10 schools, plus they are original members and in major markets of Chicago and Nashville. It's a fantasy that the SEC or Big 10 would kick them out.
@@tarheel7406 Oklahoma St. Yes, please. Don't worry, UNC too. I was not naming everyone. Football schools just popped in my mind. UNC is a basketball school.
@@jefferyparker4277
a) I suspect that OKST is a low bubble team for an ~48-team Tier 1 P2. Way out of brand for the B1G, and the SEC already has the flag.
b) I have no worries about UNC. It's an everything school.
I'm more interested in how the P5 remainders should organize.
@@tarheel7406 I suspect that if we are talking about football and football alone, UNC is no better shape than OKST. If that were the case, I certainly would take OSU first. Now, with other things being considered. UNC gets in first even though it is clearly - WITHOUT QUESTION - a basketball school. It is in a big state. There are no team in that state already in the fictional super legaue. So they are in. But, again, I was talking football. UNC is not special there. Again, when considering football only UNC is "a low bubble team for an ~48-team Tier 1 P2."
The reason why the NFL works is because they have just 30 teams! The NFL model will not work for a 130 (or even 65) team CFB! It may work for a 48 team CFB league!
Should college football break away from intercollegiate sport all together and govern themselves?
Sankey offered to play nice, offered equal playoff revenue sharing among the P5, but was opposed. After that he had no obligation to compromise. What good is having power if you can’t use it for your benefit!
I hate this so much
Josh, define “college athletics.” I ask because that train has already left the station in “college” football. The current situation cannot and will not continue its current state.
Sankey created this with the additionof UT n OU. then gets upset when other folks act like him.
He got better then wanted to settle the playoff structure.
Say what u want about Kevin Warren , but his decisions got the B10 decidedly better. His decision let to the B10 adding the top 4 Pac12 brands.
I wish they would break away. Let’s find out how popular their conferences are when they alienate fans from other conferences and make college football polarizing. Sadly, they won’t because ESPN and FOX understand what would happen with college football if they did.
Ally people who say they won’t watch Big 10 or SEC good luck. I guess they love the XFL in pro football. Competition is real people.
I wonder if that is why the three lower conferences are being raided and possibly blown apart...ala Pac.
Just gotta let it olay out, it fukkin sucks, but I hope they dont mess it up too bad! -------X-------
Pate said the breakaway was for the greater good months ago. Now he’s saying the opposite
How about this? Each school "employs" football players. Football players are paid employees who do not have to be enrolled at the school. Contracts structured like in NFL. Would that not be the most simple method? Does anyone really care or be bothered by all of the NIL and school scholastic issues? The NCAA certainly does not want to step in and be bothered with so many of the issue.
I've made the boxing comparison for a few months now and I'm glad someone else sees it. For outsiders or just casual fans of boxing, even some insiders, a lot of the times big fights don't happen isn't because boxers duck each other, it's because promoters and teams care about themselves, their paychecks far more than the sport itself. Boxing is the overall sport but boxing is really a bunch of different entities looking to selfishly protect their own money and interests. There have been times where boxers have wanted to face each other only for promoters, sanctioning bodies, and television deals to get in the way. Oh, then there is the corruption within the sport itself. This is exactly what college football is and these guys can never look out for themselves andsacrifice just a little for the greater good of the sport. Also doesn't help a conference like the Pac-12 was poorly managed and not just poorly managed, the university presidents supported the guy poorly managing the conference. Boxing is my favorite sport with college football being #2, hopefully college football doesn't continue down the same path.
Let them go, they're going to anyway.
It just sucks more
Pate... lets see if you have balls to bring this up.. knowing these SEC schedules weren't drawn up 3 years ago or 5 but earlier this year... How is it OU gets (4) FOUR preseason TOP 10 SEC opponents and 6 total top 16 teams (That is almost 50% of the top 16 teams) while Texas gets (1) ONE top 10 SEC opponent and (2) in the top 20 and 2 the are in the Basement of the top 25 at 24th and 25th and will likely be out of the top 25 by the 2nd or 3rd week...
Im interested in this too, im betting they debated this internally and argued for their schedules but ou might not have as much pull as texas? I have no idea, doesnt seem fair tho.
@@Soupy_bass I am ok with it in a way because I am not claiming OU will wIn the SEC....But Pate and all the other talking heads will act if Texas somehow runs the table and if Michigan does end up struggling this year.. Pate and the other will make Texas out as the greatest team since 2005...And here is a side note... in 2004 OU had 7 seniors on Offense hat included Heisman trophy winner Jason Whiter and 8 seniors on Defense so going into 2005 we thought since Adrian Peterson was runner up in the 2004 Heisman (AS A FRESHMAN) that he would lead us in 2005 and that all feel apart when he hurt his foot and missed 4 games including the Texas game. i am not making excuses for 2005 and how Texas was able to win it all that yea.. but damn... I still think we will win 9 at the most.. possible 10. I can hear Texas fans WE HAVE MICHIGAN TO PLAY while OU has cup cakes in the non conference. But Michigan may be good who knows. Their QB is unknown and it's at DKR..My God after Georgia they have many pre season win totals Vanderbilt (2.5 wins) Florida (5.5) Arkansas (5.5) and Kentucky barely over .500 at (6.5) all in a row and something tells me A$M wont even be at .500 when the Texas game comes around.. and if you look at A$M they have the same 4 teams tight before the Texas and A&M finishes the regular season.. OU plays 3 preseason top 12 teams to make sure they don't end up in at Atlanta..Pate will ignore Texas easy schedule and says on how rough OU has it...
It might not be this season, but one day the people at the top will start losing money from these changes to the game and they’ll be dumbfounded how fast it happened.
They should have walked away, because if they really cared about the money they would have walked away
No NCAA, no hammer, go blue 😊
Speaking of fence riding...
Josh has crapped on the Big 12 since '21 and now he wants everyone to believe he cares about the welfare of CFB.
Greg Sankey is ruining college football and ruining the SEC! What is the point of chanting SEC! SEC! If every team is in the SEC?!? A completely idiotic move by Gregory
SEC and Big Ten should make their own playoffs , an let the other schools fend for themselves
Ahhh more corporate sociopaths ruining things. Love capitalism. Hate irresponsible ambition.
That might just be the ugliest room in America
Not might
But it is the ugliest room not only in America but maybe the World lol
ABC CBS would be just fine with me