@@glennwilliams2950 Doesn’t matter did you watch them get manhandled by Washington last year. UT put up a good fight, but the game was never in doubt for Washington
This fall, buckeye fans are going to watch UCLA's coach call in a play to Kansas State's QB, who will take a snap from Bama's center, then turn and hand it to the Ole Miss RB.
this list is more about current momentum as opposed to historical results to be fair. Texas recruiting, staff, and player development is extremely strong right now.
@@devaughnowsley3871 sustained their success outside of one year when they got their program gutted and got a new head coach. They then (in one year) turned that into a double digit win season. I’m not saying they should be ranked 1st but Texas should not be ranked 5th if OU isn’t ranked. Both schools have had top 10 recruiting classes (yet OU beat them 2/3 years), Texas’ past three records have been 5-7, 8-5, 12-2, OU’s have been 11-2, 6-7, 10-3. OU has been the better team/program 2 out of the past 3 years. Yet Texas is ranked 5th and OU isn’t ranked even tho what Texas did for the first time last year, OU has been doing for years 🤷♂️
@@timekeepermedia5142 I agree that they have more momentum heading into next year. What I don’t understand is how they can be ranked 5th in the nation with only one good year and leave OU unranked
Where tf is Oklahoma. When you use your components with this list, Recruiting, on field results, and, overall synergy. Oklahoma is above everyone on the back half of this list. They have recruited better these past 3 years then the back half of the list, they have just just as well on the field as everyone on the back half of this list
Not to mention OU’s past three records are 11-2, 6-7, and 10-3 and we didn’t make the list YET Texas’s past three records are 5-7, 8-5, and 12-2 and they’re ranked 5th. Make that make sense 😂
@@jonathonedwardmiller Ok. In the last 3 years OU has had three top 10 classes (and still beat Texas 2/3 years), and if you want to talk about the Big 12 props to them for winning it last year, but that was the first time since 2009 (in that period OU won the Big 12 5 times), and if you want to talk about playoffs congrats to them for making it last year, but that was the first time ever for them (OU has been 4 times). In the two “down years” of OU they’ve gone 6-7 (bad) and 10-3 (good) with a new HC. Sark went 5-7 (bad) and 8-5 (okay). So if you want to put Texas ahead of OU because of the success they’ve had in their last year, sure, but to have them 5th and OU not on the list at all is crazy.
I think it’s a decent list. Don’t agree with Texas. Going forward, Texas will be top tier, but not following your criteria of this video. I also think, based on a 3 year span, Michigan should get the nod over bama. 2nd best record over 3 years, 3 conference championships, 3 playoff appearances, rose bowl champ, national champ, H2H victory over bama. The only thing Michigans beat on by a few teams is recruiting. But development is 2nd to none. Michigan is late to NIL and really hasn’t even developed it. Michigan is up there with the most resources.
@@brianjirishnumber 7 probably. And I’d kick out Clemson. They went 6-7 after their entire offense was pillaged by Riley. And then immediately turned it around the following year. After the Texas game last season (that they won), tons of media figures were putting OU in the top 4. Lost a few they shouldn’t have, because they weren’t an awesome team. But so did FSU, LSU, Clemson and Texas. Not to mention, they beat the number 3 team in the country. They don’t get any credit for that?
@@brianjirishTexas went 8-5 and 5-7 the two years before their one good 12-2 year and yet they got ranked 5th so yes OU should be ranked on the list lol
Hey Josh, Huge fan of the show (been watching your videos for about a year now). Just a heads up, a ton of commentators seem to pronounce Clemson as Clemzen. It's not the biggest deal, but sometimes it can feel disrespectful to some when an analyst (especially one as knowledgeable as you) doesn't know how to say the name of your school right. Please look into this. -Nick
@@Cfbaccount right! It only took Michigan a global pandemic a big NIL push to retain its 44 super seniors, stallions sign stealing network,9 paid for transfer portal players, the biggest on field cheating scandal in CFB history, and Harbaugh begging his big bro for his best NFL coaches, and the whole staff getting out of dodge to finally turn the program around! All for one flash in the pan year!😂
College football is money ball now. Look at the endowments. That is where it is now. Texas in this off season, spent and got talent. The bench is deep. If a program cannot "show me the money", they will fall. I anticipate Paul Finebaum doing a lot of crying.
Pate… I respect you… BUT.. you said Georgia is 42-3 over the past two seasons, who did they lose to?? How many times did your #1 ranked team lose to THAT SAME TEAM?!?!? What’s the win/loss ratio between the two head coaches of those teams??? I rest my case
$crew FSU!! I have never seen a fanbase cry as much as Semenhole fans about where they "should be" ranked. Josh is ranking PROGRAMS not teams based on head to head results.
Totally agree w the list. Last year I thought it was premature to put Michigan ahead of Ohio State because they didn’t do anything else but beat them where Ohio State has had success in playoffs. Now that they won the natty they are absolutely a better program. Until November when OsU throws them a beating
I think OSU is going to bully Michigan in 2024. I could be wrong but I just don’t see Michigan with the changes going on and how much they’ve lost on their roster being able to stand up to OSU this season. I think 2025 should be interesting though. You’ll have a lot of guys at OSU who elected to come back leave (plenty of talent behind them though), and a lot of the younger guys at Michigan stepping up to the plate.
@@mkwy8782 I’m level-headed, and realistic. There are many things going against UM’s favor in 2024 in terms of The Game. While they can win, they lose significant pieces on both sides of the ball of their roster, but especially their offense, losing their QB, both starting receivers, RB 1, TE 2, and entire starting O-line. They lose their head coach, and a plethora of other coaches and support staff (won’t name them all but I’m sure you’re aware). OSU also brings ALOT back. The Game is in Columbus. Michigan winning is a massive uphill battle in 2024. Possible, but I say unlikely as of now.
As a Michigan fan I’ll say your list is pretty closed to mines besides Texas being 5th and lsu being 8th I might switch them having lsu 5 or 6 and Texas 8th and maybe usc over Clemson at 9 now that they are in the big10/big16 lol
Love how everyone is saying texas has a cupcake schedule. Just to hedge against them actually being good there first yr in the sec. Its funny how people need built-in excuses for a team just in case they are good. Where are the people who love to blow the sec and talk about how good and deep they are? Here is a fact. Texas plays next year the #1 team. And last years national championship team at there place. I wouldnt call that a cupcake.
@josephrenfro6071 An SEC schedule is certainly not a cupcake schedule. Humility is one week away in this conference. Some ppl just assume that because every team in the conference doesn't have 10+ wins, that means it's only a few good teams. The difference in the SEC compared to other leagues is that everybody (except Vandy) has top talent on their rosters, while other conferences only have a few teams. 11+ SEC schools finish in the top 25 recruiting rankings just about every single year. There are no "off" weeks in conference play. It's a gauntlet week after week of playing teams with top talent. Sleep on a MSST, or Mizzo, or South Carolina, or a Kentucky if you want, and it can turn into an L quick. Glad to have Texas and OU in the SEC. Gonna make for some great games for sure
@shawnd229 i dont think anyone disagrees that the sec has more nfl talent than any other league. What people argue about is how good those teams actually are. Having nfl talent doesnt always equate to a good team. We see this every year. And texas fans have lived this for 13 years. We have always had the most talented team in yhe b12. And we hardly ever won yhe league. Because we wernt the best team. Not sleeping on teams is a thing all p5 conferences have had to deal with. I believe its way easier to "get up" for a team. Than play down to one. Texas will have more relative success in the sec than big12. Just on the pure fact we have to get up for 90% of the games. Compared to the big12 when we only had 1. The proof of this is in our history. The last time texas was consistently a top 3 team was when the big 12 was stronger (arguably the best conference) we had more major rivalries and bigger programs in the conference. Texas was always #1 or #2. We atrophied over the last decade because we lost all of our rivalries and big time programs except one. Its much harder to get up to go play Kanas at 11am in Lawrence in November than it will be to get up to play any sec school (not including vandy)
Josh didn’t watch Clemson the last 2 years..and he surely didn’t watch the cluster f of bad offensive play this spring. Clemson is turning into Iowa. And to put fsu up there is a prisoner of the moment pick. Those will not age will
Clemson is definitely still up there. They’re down years they’ve finished 13,14, and 20th in the rankings. And the 6 years before that they made the playoffs every year. They’ve finished in the top 20 for the last 13 years
@@trevorblanton6270 When their "down" years are their most recent years, that by definition means they have fallen off. What happened 4 years ago and earlier has no bearing on today's rankings
@@Dre384 yea they brought back a solid core on both sides of the ball and have a top 5 hs and top 10 transfer class. They have no reason not to be a top 10 school bud. The only other school that probably shouldn’t be is Michigan. Clemson have been getting worse every season since Trevor w questionable play everywhere on offense and anybody that believes fsu, they loss 90% of ALL its production this year.
They were the most talked about team past year teams like Michigan Ohio Georgia alabama always will get talked about huge lsu Texas Oklahoma these are top tier schools
I don't think "never" should factor into it. Why does it matter whether they won a natty in 1950 or 1980? Would that increase their odds of winning one in 2024? Only six schools have won a natty in the playoff era. You'd still need four more to round out your top 10.
@@Whelmed. because it’s a measure of “top programs” and I have trouble saying your a “top program” when you’ve never won it all. It’s not “who might do the best next year”
Love how he called out these casuals in the video but they still come here to talk. How many teams haven't won a national title again champ? Are they all bad?
@@Scallers813 - Oh, okay. So Yale is a top program then because they won a natty? Tell you what, the next time Oregon plays Yale, I'll take the ducks even up for $10k. I'm sure you'll take that bet because Oregon never won a natty.
@@Whelmed. that’s a stupid thing to say. I didn’t say that was the only metric, It’s 1 of many qualities a top program should possess. To act as though I said that’s the sole metric is just dishonest and, frankly, stupid.
@@greenwave819 I think that could be argued. Last 3 seasons are 10-2, 8-5, 11-2. We just came off yet another #1 ranked transfer portal class along with a top 5 high school Dline class, and have quality players and depth at nearly every position. I think Ole Miss is more worthy than some of the other teams on this list, but hey, it’s a computer models list.
Are you serious??? I love Mississippi to death, can't wait for the Rebs or Bulldogs bring one home to the state. That said, there's easily 20 programs better than Ole Miss football right. Y'all may be thinking top 10 teams. A team is year to year. The best programs consistently put together winning teams and sustain a winning culture.
Great idea having this discussion. Bad idea putting Michigan third. When was the last time a head coach left after winning a national championship? Why is Michigan outside the top 40 in recruiting? You have to factor in that Michigan and Harbaugh failed to beat Ohio State until Conor Stalions appeared. Zero wins. Player development - the NFL rosters at the start of last season had 48 OSU and 38 Michigan players. The three best players to leave the SEC this off-season all went to Ohio State. Why? I understand this is not a predictive ranking. But when you look at the state of the program Ohio State is right behind Georgia.
How’d it feel watching Michigan hoist the natty this year? I bet it hurts badly? Sucks to be Ohio state. Ryan day is a clown and a rat and a cry baby. Ohio state did everything in there power to prevent Michigan to win it all and it backfired so bad 😂 Go blue baby!
Are you serious??? Dude, do you even watch college football? Notre Dame #7 and then FSU #9 and you say FSU lost a lot of pieces! Didn't Notre Dame just lose Sam Hartman????
i have only 1 question ... where is Utah ? PAC 12 titles in 21 and 22 a thing The Irish never did coz they dont or wont play in a division outside of 1 Covid season. Utah over ND all day long ! Same with Texas, 5-7 and 8-5 seasons dont look like a Top Tier program or ?
Ok I usually agree with a lot of your opinions but this top 10 just made me laugh....I'll give you the top 4 but after that a big nope. Texas and LSU over rated. I don't think Florida State does anything near what they did last year. Clemson eh. I don't know how you can have Notre Dame where they are without Penn State being the team above or below them when they have done better than them the last 2 years their only losses being to your #3 and #4 teams. Biased much....
In regards to your opinion on Texas Football.. I definitely agree with your take in terms of needing to see consistent results year after to year.. That being said I'm not 100% sold on the idea that this staff is worse than last years. Bo Davis leaving hurt initially, but Kenny Baker is a pass rush specialist and we've has almost no real pass rush these past few years which was exploitable by good teams. Not only that, but Bo Davis isn't the best recruiter on earth and Baker seems to have great energy on the recruiting trail. We'll just call that hire TBD for now. Now, as much as I loved Choat and wish him luck at Nevada, Johnny Nansen is an upgrade. He has a real recruiting presence in California and helped Arizona have an amazing season last year with a win over OU in the Alamo bowl. I'm also not a fan of the blanket statement that this years success will be determined by how good the transfers end up being.. They were great additions but the strength of this team will be Offensive Line(no transfers), QB, and our defensive secondary(one transfer). These past few recruiting classes under Sark have been different than prior regimes and people are in for a rude awakening if they think this is going to be the same ole texas let down from years past. The speed and athleticism on this roster is ridiculous. Also, remember the name Ryan Wingo ;)
Washington has no consistency and is a perennial mediocre team. They're basically good 1 year out of 4 and never maintain success long term. Don't forget that Oregon has dominated Washington for the most part the last 20 years. 2 years of squeaking by with 3 point wins against a head coach in his 1st and 2nd years isn't impressive, particularly given how much experience DeBoer has. UW is going to be this season's TCU.
@@glenpark4373UW beat Oregon 3 times in 13 months. You hanging on to the previous 20 years is like me hanging on to the previous 80 years where Washington was dominant in the series.
Because it's current programs today. Not all time. Even if you wanted to be a Homer, Vegas would probably only favor 6 teams above Oregon on a neutral field today and those teams are ranked in front of us in this very poll. Sure we lost to Washington but we didn't just lose our whole staff and most of our stars like Washington just did. Our program is very very stable even despite all the coaching changes. If we'd won a couple of natties we'd be top 5 program for the last decade easily
My only gripe is that Texas is at 5 and LSU is ahead of FSU? With on the field results being a basis for judging these programs LSU has lost to FSU both years? One was an utter blow out. And Texas has only had 1 good year?
@@ZakMcDonald64 True, but FSU beat their Heisman winner twice, and the other Heisman and championship team was a completely different program. I dont think it is fair to say that the current regime is responsible for those wins.
JP. as always an excellent review but I have this nagging belief Nebraska is going to surprise in '24. Betting they will be at number 10 in your poll, but look out Clemson. The Big Red will be there with you at 10A...Rhule is going to work miracles in the next two years. Than they will be in the top 6....Be safe, JP
Michigan ahead of OSU right now is a garbage take. OSU is straight up gunning for the natty this year, Michigan isn’t. OSU retained most starter and improved their staff, as well as their roster. OSU is recruiting near the top as well for future success. Michigan lost most of their coaches, lost most players that had an impact and their recruiting is trash. Sure Michigan has had a better program the past 3 years (without including the thought of their cheating scandal) but between Michigan and OSU, OSU is and has been built for the long haul. Michigan was only built for a short run to crumble after.
Ohio State won eight against Michigan Michigan has to win alot more against Ohio State to equal that you are wrong again Michigan won't even be in the top five
It feels like Alabama and Michigan are going to have a reality check. Covid helped Michigan win a natty otherwise all those seniors wouldve been gone a year earlier. And lost their coach. And bama lost the goat. I think LSU will take a big step. And if OSU or texas win a natty one of them will solidify the # 2 ranking. And if Georgia wins well. Look out. Also Ole miss. I feel like they building something good down there. And penn state maybe too.
@j.w.greenbaum7809 I'm not a Michigan hater I'm just keeping it real. I was cheering for Michigan and the big10 for the natty. Just like if we win this year it's because of NIL and us able to keep our entire roster because of it. Also us loosing to Michigan is another big reason everyone wanted to come back. So not a hater just observing what I see. No hate
Josh contradicted himself with the Texas ranking. Started the show saying it was based on what they are now and a rolling 3 year or so output....not what they will be. Texas energy / synergy has only been good for one season lol. And the wins definitely haven't been there outside of 2023... Not to a top 5 program rankings level
Josh, you probably already know this, but the reason why Ohio State and USC us recruiting so well is because both schools are offering crazy NIL money to recruits. Neither Day nor Riley has to do much recruiting when the collectives are throwing money out like mad at these recruits. Coach Saban, a couple of years ago, stated this would happen with NIL if the NCAA did not regulate it. Everyone and their brother jumped on Saban calling him anti NIL hater, but guess what? He was absolutely correct. Ohio State offered Alabama's star CB Downs to transfer to Ohio State and get a 3 million dollar NIL deal. So he transferred. Alabama's start WR Bonds was offered a lucrative NIL deal by boosters to transfer to Texas. So he did. If they had waited after this season, both would have Bern first round picks in the NFL, making millions. So recruiting is no longer about the school with the best recruiters but rather about the school with the most money. Period.
So what? Name an industry when where people let alone college kids don't go work for the highest bidder? As much as people like to say this is America...theres nothing more American than capitalism. Those who just wanna wave their proverbial fists at reality will get left behind. And let's not act like Bama isn't throwing money around. They just don't have deep pockets like the schools you claimed. For years kids went to Bama and gave them the "Saban discount" those days are gone my man. Adapt or ...you know the rest.
So USC finally catching with the rest of the NIL funded programs is the only reason why they’re getting top recruits? Not because they completely retooled their Defense with elite Coaching talent, including the guy who coached Aaron Donald with the Rams, or a former Ravens assistant as their DC? Not because Lincoln Riley is a top 10 coach (don’t fall for the East Coast/SEC biased ESPN-led propaganda after one “bad” season)? Not because they can sell a premier location with Hollywood and the weather/beach, and those entertainment industry connections? Not because USC is a top 25 Academic Institution? Not because they’re building top line facilities?… no of course not…it can only be about the money! Not that all these things work in conjunction together now that paying high schoolers is legal. Nope, we cannot have nuance…smfh…
Nah man, we blew it with that fg. No excuses. Our defense gave up massive plays at the end too. It did change the whole pace of the game but you have to close it out. Let’s go get a natty this year and put Michigan back to the shadow realm for another 9 straight years
THIS IS A SEC PODCAST. PATE STATE IS REALLY SEC STATE. ALL SEC LOVE ALL THE TIME. NOT GOING TO REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE MOST OTHER SCHOOLS OUT SIDE OF THE SEC TO BE AT THEIR LEVEL. ESPECIALLY OHIO STATE! THATS TOO BAD! NO HUMILITY FOR THE ARROGANT.
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Texas 5th?
5-7
8-5
12-2
Doesn’t matter SEC.
@@glennwilliams2950lame excuse
@@glennwilliams2950 Doesn’t matter did you watch them get manhandled by Washington last year. UT put up a good fight, but the game was never in doubt for Washington
This fall, buckeye fans are going to watch UCLA's coach call in a play to Kansas State's QB, who will take a snap from Bama's center, then turn and hand it to the Ole Miss RB.
Wrong because the former Bama center don't know how to snap the ball.
@@AK-sq1jl He's not even the center at Oho State
Welcome to college football 2024. Adapt or perish.
@@AK-sq1jl LOL. He's playing with the 1s as you type.
And Ohio State had 15 hit the portal. We lost 11 more than we gained. Oh, and the coach thing is just dumb. They move all the time.
Texas being ranked 5th with only having one good year the past 3 years is crazy considering OU wasn’t on the list at all. 💀
What has ou done the last three years?
this list is more about current momentum as opposed to historical results to be fair. Texas recruiting, staff, and player development is extremely strong right now.
@@devaughnowsley3871ou is 27-12 the last three years Texas is 25-15 lol
@@devaughnowsley3871 sustained their success outside of one year when they got their program gutted and got a new head coach. They then (in one year) turned that into a double digit win season. I’m not saying they should be ranked 1st but Texas should not be ranked 5th if OU isn’t ranked. Both schools have had top 10 recruiting classes (yet OU beat them 2/3 years), Texas’ past three records have been 5-7, 8-5, 12-2, OU’s have been 11-2, 6-7, 10-3. OU has been the better team/program 2 out of the past 3 years. Yet Texas is ranked 5th and OU isn’t ranked even tho what Texas did for the first time last year, OU has been doing for years 🤷♂️
@@timekeepermedia5142 I agree that they have more momentum heading into next year. What I don’t understand is how they can be ranked 5th in the nation with only one good year and leave OU unranked
Director Colin currently writing up his two week notice. Im with you Colin we cant let atrocities like this happen!
Meemaw always said: “I might not have any flaws but expect flaws from others.”
If you're really just looking at the last 3-4 years no team has won more than Michigan over that span other than Georgia.
Where tf is Oklahoma. When you use your components with this list, Recruiting, on field results, and, overall synergy. Oklahoma is above everyone on the back half of this list. They have recruited better these past 3 years then the back half of the list, they have just just as well on the field as everyone on the back half of this list
Not to mention OU’s past three records are 11-2, 6-7, and 10-3 and we didn’t make the list YET Texas’s past three records are 5-7, 8-5, and 12-2 and they’re ranked 5th. Make that make sense 😂
Except LSU
@@bootamonster Ok. Texas in the last 3 years has 3 top 5 classes, a conference title and made the playoffs.
@@bootamonsteryea in the big 12 lol
@@jonathonedwardmiller Ok. In the last 3 years OU has had three top 10 classes (and still beat Texas 2/3 years), and if you want to talk about the Big 12 props to them for winning it last year, but that was the first time since 2009 (in that period OU won the Big 12 5 times), and if you want to talk about playoffs congrats to them for making it last year, but that was the first time ever for them (OU has been 4 times). In the two “down years” of OU they’ve gone 6-7 (bad) and 10-3 (good) with a new HC. Sark went 5-7 (bad) and 8-5 (okay). So if you want to put Texas ahead of OU because of the success they’ve had in their last year, sure, but to have them 5th and OU not on the list at all is crazy.
3 straight big 10 titles
3 straight beat downs of OSU
2023 National Champion
Of course Michigan over Buckeyes!
“straight beatdowns” lol
Selective history
Late Kick with Josh Pate, This is great! I liked it and subscribed!
I think it’s a decent list. Don’t agree with Texas. Going forward, Texas will be top tier, but not following your criteria of this video. I also think, based on a 3 year span, Michigan should get the nod over bama. 2nd best record over 3 years, 3 conference championships, 3 playoff appearances, rose bowl champ, national champ, H2H victory over bama. The only thing Michigans beat on by a few teams is recruiting. But development is 2nd to none. Michigan is late to NIL and really hasn’t even developed it. Michigan is up there with the most resources.
no oklahoma sooners
A Buckeye here...agreeing with the "Here & Now". But there's always a "When & Then". That's the excitement of the game after all.
It was a fight for Josh to say anything about Michigan 😂😂😂
Right. It’s like he was in pain trying to say anything positive about Michigan.
According to Josh anything not SEC is garbage.
I said the same thing, just like Finebaum after the Rose Bowl and championship....LOVE IT
Mine (Top 15):
1 Georgia
2 Alabama
3 Michigan
4 Ohio St
5 Texas
6 Oregon
7 Florida St
8 LSU
9 Penn St
10 Notre Dame
11 Utah
12 Clemson
13 Ole Miss
14 Tennessee
15 Oklahoma
Might throw in Mizzou somewhere 12-15
@@psfsu Missouris like 18
Tough having Oregon that high when they’ve never won a NC.
I live here in Oregon and they have everything else but that. No hate.
What a joke
@@sonofthesOUth77 This is the last 3 years not last 3 decades
Where is Oklahoma?!?!? Tf
Same place their natty is. In the past
OU 7-5 losses to Auburn, Texas, Ole Miss, Missouri and LSU
Whos Oklahoma? You mean Chokelahoma lose by 20 points in playoff games Chokelahoma ?
I can’t fathom putting ND over LSU, OU, and FSU
Probably cause you're a casual...
@@sethsnyder3820 - You forgot to add, "filthy".
Notre dame went to the playoffs twice maybe lsu but Florida state and ou is very fair to be ranked over.
No OU?
Let em sleep.
Didn't OU go like 6-7 in 2022? 3-6 in conference play? I thought Pate's rankings were fair. Where would you put OU in your ranking?
@@brianjirishnumber 7 probably. And I’d kick out Clemson.
They went 6-7 after their entire offense was pillaged by Riley. And then immediately turned it around the following year. After the Texas game last season (that they won), tons of media figures were putting OU in the top 4.
Lost a few they shouldn’t have, because they weren’t an awesome team. But so did FSU, LSU, Clemson and Texas.
Not to mention, they beat the number 3 team in the country. They don’t get any credit for that?
@@brianjirish I’d put OU at #1 and everyone else off the list. Boomer Sooner.
@@brianjirishTexas went 8-5 and 5-7 the two years before their one good 12-2 year and yet they got ranked 5th so yes OU should be ranked on the list lol
Hey Josh,
Huge fan of the show (been watching your videos for about a year now). Just a heads up, a ton of commentators seem to pronounce Clemson as Clemzen. It's not the biggest deal, but sometimes it can feel disrespectful to some when an analyst (especially one as knowledgeable as you) doesn't know how to say the name of your school right. Please look into this.
-Nick
You do realize that people in different parts of the country talk differently, tho, right? Some commentators still say, "Warshington".
Clemzon
Cry harder.
People say Oregon like oragone.
GO Ducks!
I really think to rank a program, you should look at last 7 years, and next 3.
Texas being in top 10 not Oklahoma u make me sick
Before I even watch, I know josh is going to put a&m on this list somehow lol
I stand corrected lol
OU not being anywhere on this list is legitimately criminal. Like c'mon, Josh. You dont even believe that.
OU not being in the top 10 is ludicrous.
It’s current day. Not historical
@@wad9799 BS. 2 years after the program gutted by a snake. Just look at last 10 or 20 years. And there is an upward projection again.
@@wad9799 then why tf is Notre dame on there?
@@wad9799 okay then really.. ND?
@@brockcastleberry1154 they’ve been better than OU the last 3-4 years lmao. It’s not that complicated.
Michigan had 9 portal additions on that championship team what are you talking about they the last team ever to win it all without transfers??
Many of them were depth players. Four were starters in the CFP-five if you include the place-kicker. All of them were culture fits.
Michigans transfers are way under the radar culture fits. Not 1 million dollar buyouts
@@Cfbaccount right! It only took Michigan a global pandemic a big NIL push to retain its 44 super seniors, stallions sign stealing network,9 paid for transfer portal players, the biggest on field cheating scandal in CFB history, and Harbaugh begging his big bro for his best NFL coaches, and the whole staff getting out of dodge to finally turn the program around! All for one flash in the pan year!😂
@@Cfbaccount forget a million dollars Michigan sold its soul for that one shot!
Millions
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I wonder what your list would look like if you only considered the last 20 years by average final rankings.
Here to see everyone cry about Notre Dame
Underrated comment! Lol
lol
Ryan Day is starting to turn into the John Calipari of college football.
Only difference is Arkansas wishes they could hire Ryan Day once all of his hype gets extinguished
And what about you? Since Day is a family according to you. What have U accomplished besides ?...
Not bad
6:10 is LSU considered a premier Programm?
Okay i watched further and now i can definitly say it was LSU
Alabama life long fan. Kirby is now king until someone proves otherwise. DeBore isn’t at Bama for his looks. Still surprised you picked Bama #2.
I like Pate but don't really aggree with the back half of top 10
how do you put ohio state behind michigan when oregon is behind washington
He did say "last 3 years" of results and UW went 4-8 in 2021.
@@Whelmed.still can’t figure out after going 2-4 in 2020 to winning the BIG the next 3 years
College football is money ball now. Look at the endowments. That is where it is now. Texas in this off season, spent and got talent. The bench is deep. If a program cannot "show me the money", they will fall. I anticipate Paul Finebaum doing a lot of crying.
You redeemed yourself for LSU josh I’m really glad.
Notre Dame?? Ha ha ha.. seriously? They are a member of the pre season top 3 overrated every year… Miami, ND, USC
How are they overrated? What’s their rating?
Where are the Sooners? This list was just lazy.
Off the list. Because in no universe have they been a top 10 program over the last 3 years.
Thanks for churning out the content, Josh. I don’t have to agree to like it.
I don't believe Ohio state can make it through the playoffs, there coach does not impress me!
You don't really impress me much either. That 70's hair look went out about 50 years ago!
Thank god your opinion is irrelevant
Pate… I respect you… BUT.. you said Georgia is 42-3 over the past two seasons, who did they lose to?? How many times did your #1 ranked team lose to THAT SAME TEAM?!?!? What’s the win/loss ratio between the two head coaches of those teams??? I rest my case
no ole miss is wild
They just got there first 11 win season lol
I can’t argue with any of that. Once you get past that top 6, there’s a bunch of teams in the 2nd tier.
Why is LSU above FSU? Am i the only one who has watched FSU v LSU the past 2 years?
Exactly. FSU beat them two years in a row, and boat raced LSU last season.
$crew FSU!! I have never seen a fanbase cry as much as Semenhole fans about where they "should be" ranked. Josh is ranking PROGRAMS not teams based on head to head results.
@@MJC__ FSU is an acc champion, 13-1. Back 2 back 10+ win seasons. With 2 wins over LSU. I say we are a better program
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Totally agree w the list.
Last year I thought it was premature to put Michigan ahead of Ohio State because they didn’t do anything else but beat them where Ohio State has had success in playoffs. Now that they won the natty they are absolutely a better program. Until November when OsU throws them a beating
I think OSU is going to bully Michigan in 2024. I could be wrong but I just don’t see Michigan with the changes going on and how much they’ve lost on their roster being able to stand up to OSU this season.
I think 2025 should be interesting though. You’ll have a lot of guys at OSU who elected to come back leave (plenty of talent behind them though), and a lot of the younger guys at Michigan stepping up to the plate.
@@MBlue-sk4tr You don't understand Michigan football very well.
Yeah OSU was going to throw them a beating last three years dream on. Cryin Ryan sucks.
@@mkwy8782 Whatever helps get you through the day, friendo 🍻
@@mkwy8782 I’m level-headed, and realistic. There are many things going against UM’s favor in 2024 in terms of The Game. While they can win, they lose significant pieces on both sides of the ball of their roster, but especially their offense, losing their QB, both starting receivers, RB 1, TE 2, and entire starting O-line. They lose their head coach, and a plethora of other coaches and support staff (won’t name them all but I’m sure you’re aware). OSU also brings ALOT back. The Game is in Columbus.
Michigan winning is a massive uphill battle in 2024. Possible, but I say unlikely as of now.
As a Michigan fan I’ll say your list is pretty closed to mines besides Texas being 5th and lsu being 8th I might switch them having lsu 5 or 6 and Texas 8th and maybe usc over Clemson at 9 now that they are in the big10/big16 lol
what has lsu done in the last 3-4 that texas hasnt and then reverse that question? 😂
The sec gave texas a cupcake schedule, as a Sooner id prefer the fire, not the ice-cream itll build us for the future.
Love how everyone is saying texas has a cupcake schedule. Just to hedge against them actually being good there first yr in the sec. Its funny how people need built-in excuses for a team just in case they are good. Where are the people who love to blow the sec and talk about how good and deep they are? Here is a fact. Texas plays next year the #1 team. And last years national championship team at there place. I wouldnt call that a cupcake.
@josephrenfro6071 An SEC schedule is certainly not a cupcake schedule. Humility is one week away in this conference. Some ppl just assume that because every team in the conference doesn't have 10+ wins, that means it's only a few good teams. The difference in the SEC compared to other leagues is that everybody (except Vandy) has top talent on their rosters, while other conferences only have a few teams. 11+ SEC schools finish in the top 25 recruiting rankings just about every single year. There are no "off" weeks in conference play. It's a gauntlet week after week of playing teams with top talent. Sleep on a MSST, or Mizzo, or South Carolina, or a Kentucky if you want, and it can turn into an L quick. Glad to have Texas and OU in the SEC. Gonna make for some great games for sure
Texas really does have a cupcake schedule. Don't even have to play Alabama.
Roll tide!
@shawnd229 i dont think anyone disagrees that the sec has more nfl talent than any other league. What people argue about is how good those teams actually are. Having nfl talent doesnt always equate to a good team. We see this every year. And texas fans have lived this for 13 years. We have always had the most talented team in yhe b12. And we hardly ever won yhe league. Because we wernt the best team.
Not sleeping on teams is a thing all p5 conferences have had to deal with. I believe its way easier to "get up" for a team. Than play down to one. Texas will have more relative success in the sec than big12. Just on the pure fact we have to get up for 90% of the games. Compared to the big12 when we only had 1. The proof of this is in our history. The last time texas was consistently a top 3 team was when the big 12 was stronger (arguably the best conference) we had more major rivalries and bigger programs in the conference. Texas was always #1 or #2. We atrophied over the last decade because we lost all of our rivalries and big time programs except one. Its much harder to get up to go play Kanas at 11am in Lawrence in November than it will be to get up to play any sec school (not including vandy)
@keving3982 You could say Bama doesn't even have to play Texas....last I checked Texas has "scoreboard" on Bama....
As a UGA fan I am surprised that Mizzou didn’t make the list towards the back end. They have really stepped up in the past couple years.
IMO 5-10 should look like this: LSU, Texas, OU, Oregon, Florida St, ND.
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Josh didn’t watch Clemson the last 2 years..and he surely didn’t watch the cluster f of bad offensive play this spring. Clemson is turning into Iowa. And to put fsu up there is a prisoner of the moment pick. Those will not age will
Clemson is definitely still up there. They’re down years they’ve finished 13,14, and 20th in the rankings. And the 6 years before that they made the playoffs every year. They’ve finished in the top 20 for the last 13 years
Idk Clemson and Florida State are elite. 9 is low for Florida State and 10 is not generous for Clemson.
@@trevorblanton6270 When their "down" years are their most recent years, that by definition means they have fallen off. What happened 4 years ago and earlier has no bearing on today's rankings
Yet you don’t mention Texas who just had their first good year since what Vince young days
@@Dre384 yea they brought back a solid core on both sides of the ball and have a top 5 hs and top 10 transfer class. They have no reason not to be a top 10 school bud. The only other school that probably shouldn’t be is Michigan. Clemson have been getting worse every season since Trevor w questionable play everywhere on offense and anybody that believes fsu, they loss 90% of ALL its production this year.
How is Notre Dame on the list? They haven’t won or sniffed a title since Paleozoic era
But you’re ok with…….nevermind. Pate has answered this question MULTIPLE TIMES on his channel and podcast…..and he’s an SEC guy!
What’s your favorite Oregon title?
depends on Freeman and Riley Leonard - look at Harbaugh with Andrew Luck - it's possible
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@@PQwhatitdoTHANK YOU!!!!! Haters “move the goalposts” when it comes to ND!
I think UGA's GSR (41) is the most impressive thing they've done recently. Mighty impressive.
Why do people talk about Michigan like they’re built on Monopoly money?
They were the most talked about team past year teams like Michigan Ohio Georgia alabama always will get talked about huge lsu Texas Oklahoma these are top tier schools
Go Ducks
Tough having Oregon that high when they’ve never won a NC.
I live here in Oregon and they have everything else but that. No hate.
I don't think "never" should factor into it. Why does it matter whether they won a natty in 1950 or 1980? Would that increase their odds of winning one in 2024? Only six schools have won a natty in the playoff era. You'd still need four more to round out your top 10.
@@Whelmed. because it’s a measure of “top programs” and I have trouble saying your a “top program” when you’ve never won it all. It’s not “who might do the best next year”
Love how he called out these casuals in the video but they still come here to talk.
How many teams haven't won a national title again champ?
Are they all bad?
@@Scallers813 - Oh, okay. So Yale is a top program then because they won a natty? Tell you what, the next time Oregon plays Yale, I'll take the ducks even up for $10k. I'm sure you'll take that bet because Oregon never won a natty.
@@Whelmed. that’s a stupid thing to say.
I didn’t say that was the only metric, It’s 1 of many qualities a top program should possess. To act as though I said that’s the sole metric is just dishonest and, frankly, stupid.
Very surprised that Ole Miss is not on this list.
They'll be up there next year.
@@greenwave819 I think that could be argued. Last 3 seasons are 10-2, 8-5, 11-2. We just came off yet another #1 ranked transfer portal class along with a top 5 high school Dline class, and have quality players and depth at nearly every position. I think Ole Miss is more worthy than some of the other teams on this list, but hey, it’s a computer models list.
I would imagine the next four are probably some arrangement of Ole Miss, USC, Oklahoma, Penn State.
Don't be surprised, tanner, he ha--uh, dislikes Ole Miss.
Are you serious??? I love Mississippi to death, can't wait for the Rebs or Bulldogs bring one home to the state. That said, there's easily 20 programs better than Ole Miss football right. Y'all may be thinking top 10 teams. A team is year to year. The best programs consistently put together winning teams and sustain a winning culture.
Onward Notre Dame
Great idea having this discussion. Bad idea putting Michigan third. When was the last time a head coach left after winning a national championship? Why is Michigan outside the top 40 in recruiting? You have to factor in that Michigan and Harbaugh failed to beat Ohio State until Conor Stalions appeared. Zero wins. Player development - the NFL rosters at the start of last season had 48 OSU and 38 Michigan players. The three best players to leave the SEC this off-season all went to Ohio State. Why?
I understand this is not a predictive ranking. But when you look at the state of the program Ohio State is right behind Georgia.
How’d it feel watching Michigan hoist the natty this year? I bet it hurts badly? Sucks to be Ohio state. Ryan day is a clown and a rat and a cry baby. Ohio state did everything in there power to prevent Michigan to win it all and it backfired so bad 😂
Go blue baby!
Because results matter
TEXAS AND FSU OVER OU AND PENN ST IS SILLY
I've got Oregon before Texas at #5.
Are you serious??? Dude, do you even watch college football? Notre Dame #7 and then FSU #9 and you say FSU lost a lot of pieces! Didn't Notre Dame just lose Sam Hartman????
Sam hartman is ONE player the fsu team lost everybody
Lost Sam Hartman but added Rylie Leonard, has Kenny Minchey, added CJ Carr and going to add Deuce Knight. All I would argue is better than Sam.
Sam Hartman was a bust and Jared Parker was a shit OC. ND upgraded
i have only 1 question ... where is Utah ? PAC 12 titles in 21 and 22 a thing The Irish never did coz they dont or wont play in a division outside of 1 Covid season. Utah over ND all day long ! Same with Texas, 5-7 and 8-5 seasons dont look like a Top Tier program or ?
Good job JP for placing UT correctly. We are clearly already a Top 5 program in the sport. Coach Sark is a Alpha!
Fluck NO
Georgia has lost 4 games since 2020 and 3 of them are against Alabama, that is all.
Ok I usually agree with a lot of your opinions but this top 10 just made me laugh....I'll give you the top 4 but after that a big nope. Texas and LSU over rated. I don't think Florida State does anything near what they did last year. Clemson eh. I don't know how you can have Notre Dame where they are without Penn State being the team above or below them when they have done better than them the last 2 years their only losses being to your #3 and #4 teams. Biased much....
Hey @joshpate where did you learn math? UGA only has two losses in the last 3 seasons..
In regards to your opinion on Texas Football.. I definitely agree with your take in terms of needing to see consistent results year after to year.. That being said I'm not 100% sold on the idea that this staff is worse than last years. Bo Davis leaving hurt initially, but Kenny Baker is a pass rush specialist and we've has almost no real pass rush these past few years which was exploitable by good teams. Not only that, but Bo Davis isn't the best recruiter on earth and Baker seems to have great energy on the recruiting trail. We'll just call that hire TBD for now. Now, as much as I loved Choat and wish him luck at Nevada, Johnny Nansen is an upgrade. He has a real recruiting presence in California and helped Arizona have an amazing season last year with a win over OU in the Alamo bowl. I'm also not a fan of the blanket statement that this years success will be determined by how good the transfers end up being.. They were great additions but the strength of this team will be Offensive Line(no transfers), QB, and our defensive secondary(one transfer). These past few recruiting classes under Sark have been different than prior regimes and people are in for a rude awakening if they think this is going to be the same ole texas let down from years past. The speed and athleticism on this roster is ridiculous. Also, remember the name Ryan Wingo ;)
Texas is on their way to being the #1 program. I'm not going to say they overtake Georgia.
Didn't horns DLine just have TWO national award winners?
Washington should be above Oregon and Texas the disrespect is unbelievable Washington is 2-0 over Texas and 3-0 over Oregon the last 2 years
Washington losing by a lot to Michigan TWICE in the last 3 years kills Washington's resume but I agree, on field wins should matter more.
Washington has no consistency and is a perennial mediocre team. They're basically good 1 year out of 4 and never maintain success long term. Don't forget that Oregon has dominated Washington for the most part the last 20 years. 2 years of squeaking by with 3 point wins against a head coach in his 1st and 2nd years isn't impressive, particularly given how much experience DeBoer has.
UW is going to be this season's TCU.
@@glenpark4373 And Deboer just left. Josh even admits 2 years ago when Mario left he wouldnt have even considered Oregon in this ranking.
@@glenpark4373UW beat Oregon 3 times in 13 months. You hanging on to the previous 20 years is like me hanging on to the previous 80 years where Washington was dominant in the series.
how are we in the top 10 when we were dogshit before the year 2000 💀
I think this is recent memory.
Because it's current programs today. Not all time. Even if you wanted to be a Homer, Vegas would probably only favor 6 teams above Oregon on a neutral field today and those teams are ranked in front of us in this very poll. Sure we lost to Washington but we didn't just lose our whole staff and most of our stars like Washington just did. Our program is very very stable even despite all the coaching changes. If we'd won a couple of natties we'd be top 5 program for the last decade easily
texas? No
Predictive:
1. Georgia
2. Ohio State
3. Oregon
4. Texas
5. Florida State
6. Alabama
Well I lost all respect I have for you when you called Texas UT lol
Pate literally said the same thing about Mario when he was at Oregon.
Before I watch the video ...I'm going to you have the mighty fighting Florida Gators at number 10. 🐊
Michigan should get an incomplete ranking, because we have no idea what they would have won had they been playing fair.
WHERES KSTATE JOSH
My Nittany Lions 🦁 are 7 at worst, ridiculous!!@
My only gripe is that Texas is at 5 and LSU is ahead of FSU? With on the field results being a basis for judging these programs LSU has lost to FSU both years? One was an utter blow out. And Texas has only had 1 good year?
LSU has a championship, 2 Heisman winners within the past 5 years. I think that says a lot about a program.
@@ZakMcDonald64 True, but FSU beat their Heisman winner twice, and the other Heisman and championship team was a completely different program. I dont think it is fair to say that the current regime is responsible for those wins.
The amount of OU fans crying is amazing 🤣🤣🤣
Damn Pate you’re going to hate revisiting this lol
This ranking lost any credibility you had
how’s that?
Oregon _has_ been a playoff team. This is the second time Pate has gotten that wrong.
well played in 2 natties in last10 yrs so true yeah
JP. as always an excellent review but I have this nagging belief Nebraska is going to surprise in '24. Betting they will be at number 10 in your poll, but look out Clemson. The Big Red will be there with you at 10A...Rhule is going to work miracles in the next two years. Than they will be in the top 6....Be safe, JP
You are not Paying attention - Michigan is going down
Michigan ahead of OSU right now is a garbage take. OSU is straight up gunning for the natty this year, Michigan isn’t. OSU retained most starter and improved their staff, as well as their roster. OSU is recruiting near the top as well for future success. Michigan lost most of their coaches, lost most players that had an impact and their recruiting is trash. Sure Michigan has had a better program the past 3 years (without including the thought of their cheating scandal) but between Michigan and OSU, OSU is and has been built for the long haul. Michigan was only built for a short run to crumble after.
You're salty.
Ohio State won eight against Michigan Michigan has to win alot more against Ohio State to equal that you are wrong again Michigan won't even be in the top five
It feels like Alabama and Michigan are going to have a reality check. Covid helped Michigan win a natty otherwise all those seniors wouldve been gone a year earlier. And lost their coach. And bama lost the goat. I think LSU will take a big step. And if OSU or texas win a natty one of them will solidify the # 2 ranking. And if Georgia wins well. Look out. Also Ole miss. I feel like they building something good down there. And penn state maybe too.
And cheating.
They had little more help than a Covid 6th year haha
Another OSU crybaby! 😢😅
@j.w.greenbaum7809 I'm not a Michigan hater I'm just keeping it real. I was cheering for Michigan and the big10 for the natty. Just like if we win this year it's because of NIL and us able to keep our entire roster because of it. Also us loosing to Michigan is another big reason everyone wanted to come back. So not a hater just observing what I see. No hate
How did it help Michigan any differently than any other team???
Hey Josh, Oregon HAS been a playoff team
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Notre dame over fsu is ludicrous
Notre Dame has been a top ten program for years now. FSU had their first good season in over a decade, that doesn't make them top ten.
We got a casual over here !
@@sethsnyder3820 notre dame is irrelevant
@@wolverinesfan9021 fsu beat the brakes off notre dame this season
@@Dupreehundo-rq3bq Yeah like I said one season doesn't make you a top 10 program lol
Notre Dame or LSU shouldn’t be above FSU.
$crew FSU!! Never seen a fanbase cry as much as Semenhole fans about where they "should be".
Josh contradicted himself with the Texas ranking. Started the show saying it was based on what they are now and a rolling 3 year or so output....not what they will be. Texas energy / synergy has only been good for one season lol. And the wins definitely haven't been there outside of 2023... Not to a top 5 program rankings level
I never get the Texas thing - they have all the elements to be top-5 every year but rarely do it
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FSU has beat lsu two years in a row… and I’m way higher on fsu in the next 3 years than lsu
Oregon has been a playoff team Josh, best FSU in the first playoff. Lost to OSU in the championship 😢. Go Ducks 🦆🦆🦆
Are you forgetting that FSU won an actual national championship just 2 years prior to your ducks only winning that playoff game?
@@codyjump8142 I’m not sure what FSU winning championship 2 years prior has to do with informing Josh that Oregon HAS been to playoff before.
20:56 I think Norvell gets exposed this year
lol right you were. Got any stock market picks in mind?
Go Blue! You ain't us until you beat us. 3rd base 1-3 vs UM. LOL
Josh, you probably already know this, but the reason why Ohio State and USC us recruiting so well is because both schools are offering crazy NIL money to recruits. Neither Day nor Riley has to do much recruiting when the collectives are throwing money out like mad at these recruits. Coach Saban, a couple of years ago, stated this would happen with NIL if the NCAA did not regulate it. Everyone and their brother jumped on Saban calling him anti NIL hater, but guess what? He was absolutely correct. Ohio State offered Alabama's star CB Downs to transfer to Ohio State and get a 3 million dollar NIL deal. So he transferred. Alabama's start WR Bonds was offered a lucrative NIL deal by boosters to transfer to Texas. So he did. If they had waited after this season, both would have Bern first round picks in the NFL, making millions. So recruiting is no longer about the school with the best recruiters but rather about the school with the most money. Period.
So what? Name an industry when where people let alone college kids don't go work for the highest bidder? As much as people like to say this is America...theres nothing more American than capitalism. Those who just wanna wave their proverbial fists at reality will get left behind. And let's not act like Bama isn't throwing money around. They just don't have deep pockets like the schools you claimed. For years kids went to Bama and gave them the "Saban discount" those days are gone my man. Adapt or ...you know the rest.
So USC finally catching with the rest of the NIL funded programs is the only reason why they’re getting top recruits? Not because they completely retooled their Defense with elite Coaching talent, including the guy who coached Aaron Donald with the Rams, or a former Ravens assistant as their DC? Not because Lincoln Riley is a top 10 coach (don’t fall for the East Coast/SEC biased ESPN-led propaganda after one “bad” season)? Not because they can sell a premier location with Hollywood and the weather/beach, and those entertainment industry connections? Not because USC is a top 25 Academic Institution? Not because they’re building top line facilities?… no of course not…it can only be about the money! Not that all these things work in conjunction together now that paying high schoolers is legal. Nope, we cannot have nuance…smfh…
So when exactly hasn't Ohio State been a top recruiting school? C'mon man!
Lololol. None of that is true.
You are wrong about Alabama being at number two and Georgia only beat Ohio State on a waved off targeting flag
Nah man, we blew it with that fg. No excuses. Our defense gave up massive plays at the end too. It did change the whole pace of the game but you have to close it out.
Let’s go get a natty this year and put Michigan back to the shadow realm for another 9 straight years
THIS IS A SEC PODCAST. PATE STATE IS REALLY SEC STATE. ALL SEC LOVE ALL THE TIME. NOT GOING TO REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE MOST OTHER SCHOOLS OUT SIDE OF THE SEC TO BE AT THEIR LEVEL. ESPECIALLY OHIO STATE! THATS TOO BAD! NO HUMILITY FOR THE ARROGANT.