For the most part, Lindsey is loved and FM will not do so well without him. They may have hired a lot of talent but it's not the same without our Lindsey.
How about this people? Most of the members of the bands from our rock era (the 60's and 70's) are in their late sixties, and early seventies by now. Maybe some of them don't feel like getting up and touring as much anymore, after touring like a million times over the last 45, 50 or so years. It's a lot of hard work performing, and all the traveling too. Shit, I just turned 60, and sometimes I get tired just walking around Walmart a couple of times. lol
In 2012, back before Christine McVie’s return, Lindsey Buckingham was ready to tour again with Fleetwood Mac, but they waited for Stevie Nicks - who didn’t finally get back on the road with the band until 2013. Following McVie’s return a year later, Buckingham was ready to record, and again they waited for Nicks. By the following year, he and McVie had begun recording without her. This went on so long that they completed an entire album, featuring all of the members of Fleetwood Mac - except Nicks, who did another solo tour in 2015. Then, Buckingham and McVie, waiting into 2017, mounted their own separate tour. All of this happened while they waited for Stevie Nicks. Finally, Nicks returned, but by this point Buckingham - understandably, right? - was ready to do something on his own. So they reportedly fired him. Makes perfect sense... that’s from Nick DeRiso on Ultimate Classic Rock. I completely agree with him
If they can tour as a band without Christine and if they can tour as a band without Lindsey, then why can't/couldn't they tour without Stevie? There has to be someone out there who can play her part and sing her songs adequately enough for them to fill in when Stevie's not available, surely!
egoisnotadirtyword There is someone. Larry the lamb and any one of the 3 billy goats gruff can bleat along with the best, and they're all better looking
They're scheduled for Denver CO on Dec 3. I haven't decided if I'll go. Ticket prices for the Pepsi Center are usually over $250 for nosebleed seats. And to not see Lindsey play, I can't rationalize spending the money.
Lindsey Buckingham is the true genius at the recording studio, the arrangements and sound layering that give FM their unique sound are because of him. He is the one who got a simple song from Stevie and made it gold. Now he has a family, he has other priorities and doesn't feel the need to rush for tours so often. He's taking life more calmly and even though he wanted to keep making music and touring, he wanted to take things easier and time to enjoy his life. Non-stop touring was not his #1 priority anymore. In a way I admire the rest of the band's energy, but it surprises me that Mick says that they don't have anything else to do.
I said it before I'll say it again..I want to see Buckingham all by himself with his guitar in concert.... I'd never pay $500 a ticket for FM even if I were rich. Hope Buckingham is more gracious to his life long fans. FM is not. And we are the people who bought those records and made them rich. I find them greedy.
Not long before Lindsey Buckingham was fired, there was a story on an Australian television program about the friendship between Mick Fleetwood and Neil Flynn, and in the course of the story it was intimated that a musical collaboration between the two of them was on the horizon. Coincidence?
after watching a few doco's on FM, I think Stevie is the problem... her ego... she thinks it's her band and she has said that basically she will do what she wants to do...regardless... it's all about her... I think she just wanted to get rid of LB, because he was in her way... Yet the only reason she got into FM was because LB insisted that she comes in with him... and that's the thanks LB got... I read something today (although I think it's old news) about how LB wife said that the FM members are just horrible people and she is sick of them and doesn't want anything to do with them anymore...
Disagree. I saw the documentary about the album they made in the early 2000s. Buckingham was every bit as much of a problem, if not more, in those sessions. If anything, he seemed to be the one who was constantly having issues. I think they're both very gifted but difficult people. As for Mrs. LB: c'mon. How must it feel to be married to someone for years, have three kids with them, and still be constantly hearing about his relationship with his ex? Especially when touring means that the wife's at home with the kids while the husband is off with that ex. Of course she's sick of them and wants them out of her and Lindsey's lives. I don't know how she's put up with it for this long.
Judging by what they did to Buckingham, they are horrible,unethical,corrupt people.Often cokeheads rot their brains out and later in life have no morals or code of ethics and are spiritually vacant people.
A bit of a tool? What. You know him personally? Tell us about some of the weird experiences you had with him. We'd love to hear them. As far as I know he's a great singer, songwriter, and guitarist. As far as anything else goes. It's just BULL CRAP! Unless you know him of course.
Not going to pay outrageous prices to not see Lindsey. FM would not be FM w/o Lindsey’s work behind the scenes. I’d really like to see someone out play him.
Buckingham's wish to put off rehearsals for so long leads me to wonder if he may have just wanted to slow down and spend more time with his family, wife and three children.
Yea.So true...the talent is missing.How could they fire BUCKINGHAM!!He WAS Fleetwood Mac!!He is suing them and he will win.He should see it as a blessing in disguise.
Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey... all set with that. Without Lindsey, Fleetwood Mac would never have become the best band of the time. Without Lindsey, Stevie Nicks would never have made it. It’s sad.
The problem I have with these larger acts is the ticket prices. After seeing geriatric Black Sabbath without their original drummer, and paying almost $350 for one barely decent seat (plus gas, parking etc), I pretty much swore those kinds of shows off. $350 is a nice amount of groceries.
I'm going to guess that Lindsey wanted to make a new Fleetwood Mac album instead of just cashing in on a greatest hits tour. (Cough, cough....Stones, cough, cough)🤑
Somebody is lying here. First of all Nicks says Buckingham wouldn’t do the old songs the band recorded before she and Buckingham joined but Buckingham recorded and sang the band’s decades old hit “oh well” on the “Fleetwood Mac live” double album. And the band had very little commercial success before nicks and Buckingham joined so what makes them think many fans will want to hear those songs anyway (though many of them are excellent). And the band has replaced Buckingham twice before without success and fans wouldn’t accept it so what makes them think it will work now?
Good comment. As someone who saw the band in the late 70s, I can categorically state there was NOBODY yelling for the Peter Green material and she's straight up lying as Buckingham did play 'Oh Well.' Of course, she was probably too high and whirling around on stage to actually remember much of that period and probably figures who'll call her out on it anyway. I'm a crazy Mike Campbell fan but I wouldn't spend a dime to see this lineup.
Lindsey Buckingham is a wise intelligent 70 year old man....he isn't stuck in the past ....look at his physique ....amazing....TUSK HIS MASTERPIECE....AN ARTIST!! A family man....he isn't consumed by social tabloid ....Facebook..side shows..etc
It would be nice to play some of the Danny Kirwan era songs again. He wrote some good songs and had a nasty vibrato that Mike Campbell could do justice to. Tom Petty used to play songs off of Kiln House on his Buried Treasure show on Sirius radio a lot.
I call BS on the whole thing. It was Lindsey that produced Say You Will, the LAST album of new material the band has put out. Ever since, they've been doing the exact SAME hits set with no more new material to speak of. Extended Play (a collection of half-baked demos) and Buckingham-McVie were both placeholders for when Stevie deemed the band worthy of her time again. It's been FIFTEEN years since the band has done anything of significance. They WAITED for Stevie plenty of times and had to put up with her antics. Now a 50th anniversary tour that is probably going to be their last. Really lame ass way to go out...
Lindsey IS the band. Why didnt they fire Stevie when she held out? The Lindsey/Christine collaboration record was the result of that, and it was classic Mac
Judging by the reactions I'm seeing around the Internet, I get the feeling this tour is not going to be the big success the other recent tours have been. Like many of you, I can't see myself shelling out the bucks to attend one of these faux-FM concerts. I prefer to hold onto my memories of the real thing.
They ought to be ashamed of themselves. They haven't made new music in forever and will still want ridiculous prices to watch them sing the same 15 Stevie and Christine songs with fewer Lindsey songs. At the least the Stones still make new music to go along with their never ending tours.
They are only going to be 10 songs that are their greatest hits. The other 13 will from the pre-Lindsey/Stevie era, deep cuts from the Lindsey/Stevie era, solo songs, etc.
Myself personally if LB isn’t playing with them then it’s not the Fleetwood Mac that I remember. Of course there were a lot of changes before Buckingham/Nicks joined Fleetwood Mac as well
Of course this is all about Stevie- she even said it talking about wanting to keep working. Lindsey wanted to wait. Ok- well I guess Stevie got what she wanted. I highly doubt we'll see a new Fleetwood Mac album with Finn and Campbell.
Boo Boo Fleetwood Mac RIP 1967--2018, buried between the Rolling Stones and The Who. It makes me ill to see these fossil bands who are already bloated with lots of cash and yet they keep playing for the money. Greedy greedy greedy.
Fired.....they 'had' to let him go under the circumstances. Seems working for FM as a lead guitar player is automatic terms for dismissal. At least Lindsey is in good company. R.I.P. Peter Green and Danny Kirwan
They certainly are coming on; they did not want to wait a long time to tour…I am a big Lindsey fan and of the album with Christine, but I like all music related to them.
It's not only about them, but I'll never understand how musicians within a band can be "replaceable'. I understand quitting, I understand additions and changes of musicians at the beginning, but when a band is a myth like they are (or else Queen, INXS... for example), there's no way it can be the same band with new members who will never be truly, historically part of the legacy that made the band famous in the first place. Worse even when they are frontmen, like seems to be the case every time that happens.
Fleetwood Mac doesn't exist anymore. The new band shouldn't be able to play any songs LB wrote or contributed to which leaves very few songs worth listening to, if any.
While changing personnel wasn’t completely out of the norm for Fleetwood Mac, they found their true calling some 40 plus years ago when they signed on Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. Lindsey wasn’t just a singer, composer and guitarist, he was their backbone. Without lead players the band is only a mediocre rhythm section with a name. It’s 2018, the players are all senior citizens in their 60’s and 70’s and it’s safe to say that their heyday is well behind them and it’s very unlikely that they’ll ever see anything new on the Top 40. At first this was going to be a farewell concert and it’s hard having one without a key player, which was a pretty dick move to part ways with, however you phrase it. The only chance they had of new tricks or spark of creativity is now gone.
Buckingham is Fleetwood Mac. Musician, song writer, live performer. If you ever saw them live, you know what I'm talking about. Stevie and Lindsey rocketed the band to success. Neither is replaceable.
It is a pity the Buckingham/McVie album wasn't a FM one. Stevie didn't want to contribute. But none of the 3 Post Tango in the Night albums had all 5 "Classic" members. What's the difference?
That was the spin put out by the band and it's manager it was really all about Stevie's refusal to perform with Lindsey. She the power in the band now.
It's no surprise . I saw Fleetwoodmac in Sydney around 10 years ago . It was pretty obvious Lindsay didn't want to be there . He came across as very cranky and when he was finished with one guitar he'd THROW it to the side of the stage . At one point he confronted Stevie on stage with rolling clenched fists (play acting) . She had to play along while singing .
Read Mick fleetwoods book from 1990 this isn't new ,Lindsey always wants to do his own stuff but considering all there ages waiting till 2019 is a bit risky after all they are not in their 20 s or 30 s. In the past 30+ years my husband and I have seen Stevie Nick's on her own ( she's hardley a has been ) you don't come off 70 concert tour and say shes finished. We've seen Fleetwood Mac with and without Lindsey several times great concerts enjoyed ourselves either way. Like I said read the book written by Mick Fleetwood with the help of band members old and new ,spouses and producers as far as what happening with Lindsey same shit different year !!! I personally think Lindsey needs to take some responsibility . He's trying to be the victim when if he probably was a team player and toured this year we would be talking about what a great concert it was . They replaced Lindsey with Billy and Rick in the 80s and it's been over 30 plus years so I hardly believe this is the beginning of the end . If I lived closer to where they are having a concert I'd be there. I'm just grateful my son was able to see this great band when they came to Ottawa a few years back when he was there for school.
@@michelehicks3454 I read Mick's 1990 book but didn't get any of the impressions you did. All 5 members are entangled with affairs and failed marriages to one another that one can imagine its very complex with many old wounds and allegiances. For sure they lost face kicking LB out like this, ultimately an extortion from Stevie.
For those who don't grasp it，when you fire one band member and have to replace them with two people, 1. They were an integral part to the group. 2. Getting rid of them cost you more than keeping them. #itscheapertokeepthem
The whole band just needs to retire from touring. They are my favorite band of all time but they are old and just dont perform that well anymore. Minus Buckingham is just a huge hole for the hits they have. They were a super-band for decades but now they are just aged and should hang it up.
Lindsey is and always been in my top 5 all time favorite guitar player/singers. He is the real professional of fleetwood mac. Funny how they forget the termoil of the bass player and christines divorce. Stevie would not be who she is if she had not met lindsey. He has my loyality. Back in the day no body wanted to play with green on green manilishi because it was too evil. No one ever had that with lindseys songs. His addition was the bands power to go the distance.
No Lindsey, no Fleetwood Mac. Not interested in their concert without LB. They tried it before & was a disaster. Worse this tour. Very sad but can enjoy their old videos & hits
Like Lindsey said, " I had my first child at 48 years old and I found my soul mate and Stevie don't have any children so she's the one who can't move on " He has 3 beautiful children and just had an open heart surgery.
I think the problem stems from the fact that Lindsey wanted to record new music. The thing is, Lindsey is a prolific songwriter and probably got bored doing the oldies again and again. On the other side of the coin, the rest of the band just want to tour and make stacks of money. Really hope Lindsey gets back to full health after his recent surgery, his solo stuff is so damned great.
Already saw them on their last two tours with LB and can't imagine the group without him, but I wasn't a fan till the mid to late 70s. As far as i'm concerned it is like the Beatles getting back together (if they were all still alive), but without John Lennon and still calling themselves "the beatles". Sorry, it just doesn't work. That is just me though.
Don't cave, Johnny! That's what Mick is counting on, people with enough curiosity to waste $600 or more for a pair of decent tickets to see even older material. You'll never get as much pleasure seeing "Oh Well" with this crappy line-up as you would watching Peter Green and Danny Kirwan perform it right here on youtube. I'll take my money and catch another Elton John concert or a solo Buckingham one or two if he decides to go out on his own (hopefully).
Gotta agree with you here. Instead of creating new music and moving forward, they're drumming up songs that are even more ancient then the ones already on their set list. Rumours is 41 years old, and Tango is 31. Their last new album (Say You Will) is 15!
I'm a huge fan of Mike Campbell, and love Neil Finn. Find it amazing that these two major players would end up joining Fleetwood Mac. But FM without Lindsey Buckingham... not sure I can go for that. Going to give it a chance and listen to what the music sounds like.
Ron Lafleur all my favorite songs seem to be Lindsey songs...I bet they will not even try to do..bleed to love her or...so afraid...how could they without Lindsey.....
no i won't pay to see them without lindsey, i won't see journey without steve perry,and i'm done seeing the eagles after glen passed, nothing lasts forever.
One of the things I liked the most about Fleetwood Mac was their diverse sound. While most bands held one single singer to be the lead on most of if not all of the songs they did, that ultimately led to the band sounding the same song after song. Such was not the case with Fleetwood Mac. On one song it would be Stievie Nicks and on another it would be Christie Macvie
While on another still would be Lindsey Buckingham. This to me made this band one of the greats of all time. If they go on tour now, I would like to see how they would do a song like "Big Love" or even better yet, the most classic of iconic ones "Chain" and see how it would even sound as close as good as the original without him. His voice is one of a kind just like Stevie Nicks is and it is irreplaceable Not a smooth move by the group to exclude him from future performances.
Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie where both accomplished vocalists, if you like pop music. But listen to any Fleetwood Mac song where Lindsey Buckingham is the main vocalist and I guarantee a truly great guitar solo was bound to follow. Why did Fleetwood Mac choose to abandon that successful blueprint?
No disrespect but I wouldn’t go just to see Mick Fleetwood and John Mac Vie, they are really good no question but they were finished until they met Lindsey, ok I understand it’s difficult when you can’t unanimously agree, I see from both sides but as it stands Lindsey is out! Those songs that Stevie sings will never be the same the way she stood and looked straight at him the feeling that makes her song special would disappear and turn into just another same old song and likewise how can anyone sing Lindsey’s songs to Stevie, just doesn’t add up, no wonder they are including the old stuff of the original band but can we really relate to this MUSIC totally different and what fans are they aiming to please, the old Fleetwood Mac is dead and buried so why the resurrection ?
Two things. But first I'd like to say that the bluesy Peter Green era from like 1968 to 1973 is my favorite era, and music of Fleetwood Mac. Though I missed seeing that line up live. Too young. Though I did see the Stevie/Lindsey line up in 1977, 1997 and 1999. 1) Now. When they asked Lindsey to join the band after their guitarist at the time, Bob Welsh left to go solo in 1975, Lindsey said that they would have to take his girlfriend Stevie too, or he would have to decline the offer. They said "NO, we only need a guitarist". Plus they already had a girl singer, Christine. He insisted, and they gave in, and took Stevie too, so they can him. This is in all the books, and reports, and part of common knowledge in their history. 2) When Lindsey joined, with his guitar playing, singing, arranging, and songwriting in '75, he immediately, and singlehandedly turned the band from, a pretty good average band, into ONE OF THE BIGGEST MEGA SUPERSTAR, MULTI MILLIONAIRE, TOP BANDS OF THE 70'S. How the fuck could they ever fire HIM? That's so uncool. They would have been dead by the early 80's I believe, if it wasn't for Lindsey Buckingham. That's like if The Heartbreakers would have fired Tom Petty. Or if The Eagles had fired Don Henley, and Glen Frey. LOL What do you say Kiddies??
I say the same!!!!!!?They have always been my Favorite band.I have recently really had the chance because if it to see and here Lindsey Buckingham solo.I had heard some of the songs he sings before but didn't realize it was L.B.Soul Drifter,his concerts ,have just so loving watching listening to him WoW and a hunk too. Thanks am sad to say though right now I've tried to listen to Fleetwood Mac and Dtevie Nick's but I can't,it's a very odd feeling.I will just keep enjoying Lindsey Buckingham 💖
What say? What I say is you're glossing over the actual truth, stretching facts and half-truths to fit the story you want to tell and want to believe in your head, and leaving out all the parts that detract from your story. Just one example is your description about how Nicks-Buckingham joined FM - partial true twisted and exaggerated. Nothing like the convenience of confirmation bias, huh? It really works! Like a lot of commenters on here, you only have a smattering of understanding - or are simply only reporting what you chose to - and haven't dug very deep or listened to or read very many interviews from all five of them over the past 40 years. Make no mistake, I like Lindsey Buckingham a lot - as a part of FM, for his guitar/vocals/song writing/production, and I wish the five of them were touring together. But Buckingham himself has admitted in various interviews over the years - not a complete full "confession" at any one time, but enough parts and pieces over the years to add it up - that he was not always so nice to Nicks (enough reports in various interviews and reports about his physical/verbal/emotional abuse of Nicks), and he is a pain in the ass to work with. And if you pay attention to what he says in various interviews, both in print along with many that are right here on youtube, in various unguarded comments he makes, just how utterly patronizing and condescending he is not only toward Nicks but to the entire band. btw, there is plenty from Nicks as well - she has made numerous patronizing remarks about Buckingham, although not so much condescending. Even Kristen (his wife) has said as much about Lindsey, about how "prickly" he can be. That's her word to describe him, and I would tend to think, being his wife, and in the context that she said that, that's a euphemism for something a bit more nasty. After I wrote that, I looked up the source for you: see Rolling Stone, Oct. 10, 2018 for that, and then set about reading/listening to 40 or 50 interviews with all of them - mostly individual - that you obviously chose to ignore. As for the Nicks - Buckingham saga, that is never ending. They'll love-hate each other through eternity, but remember it takes two to mucky up a relationship.
I'll miss Lindsey for all his hard work and dedication to the group, but there is way too much catalouge in the arsenal that needs be played. So in that..., all i gotta say is this..., The Green Manalishi!!!!
Hi John, I heard that too. Love your reports, John. Done with class... with the backdrop of the band. I have a little trouble with this. The way members are replaced like this... all in the name of moolah... does not smell too good. Don't get me wrong. I think Mike Campbell and Neil Finn are very brilliant but I am not sure that they fit in the FM sound. I think Lindsey is such an integral part of the band.... it ls like replacing Lennon or McCartney in the Beatles for me..... pardon the slight exaggeration.. but maybe not too exaggerated. I still can';t get over how much Lindsey killed it on stage on the last tour I saw him..."On with the Show Tour from 2-3 years ago. Thank you God bless John
In other words Lindsey didn't need the money nor aggravation and wanted some sort of life. Were the rest of F.M had nothing else going on which is sad. And F.M without L.B is the same as the Stones without Keith Richards.
I don't understand the comment about doing some of the early stuff. The live album from 1980 has Lindsey singing "oh well" and I also have recordings of the "classic five" singing "station man" and "green manalishi "
i don't mean to upset any old mac fans but i've listened to alot of their stuff pre nicks/buckingham and, i've got to say that that stuff just does nothing for me. i would've rather waited until 2019/2020 to go see them with buckingham and hearing some new stuff as well as the nicks buckingham hits from the 80's.....sorry folks.
Stevie Nicks' explanation is very discombobulated. If the relationship between her and Lindsey was so stormy, she could have left the band, filed a restraining order and continue having a solo career. She had solo hits. I will break it down for you Stevie. Everytime you saw Lindsey, you saw that the biggest mistake you made was walking away from him. Now he has what you've always wanted, a spouse and child(ren), and now you're a septuagenarian and regret is excruciating at this stage in life.
You got it.She is a bitter woman,stuck in the past,still trying to create a drama with Buckingham, who has moved on, slander his good name and sabotage his tour.She is JEALOUS because he is happily married with a lovely family he is devoted to.She can't grow beyond her egoic preoccupation with her own regrets.You would think she would be grateful for the fact that he MADE HER CAREER,made all their careers!!
Let's get some perspective here: The firing of Lindsey is an example of discrimination: Here is a quote from ultimateclassicrock.com/fleetwood-mac-stevie-nicks-new-album/ : "Fleetwood similarly blamed Nicks for a long-delayed Fleetwood Mac tour that was supposed to start in 2012, crediting an "obsession" with her solo career. Apparently, not much has changed. "She just doesn't want to spend the time right now," Fleetwood said. "And we're quietly saddened about that, but also I sort of understand." So in Stevie's case Mick Fleetwood understood. Another quote from the article: "It all comes down to Stevie Nicks. She's the one person keeping Fleetwood Mac from completing their first album since 2003's Say You Will, the band's co-founder, drummer Mick Fleetwood, says." But Stevie wasn't fired. Oh no, she was allowed to keep the band from both touring and making a new album!
Stevie Nicks is Fleetwood Mac !!! You can't fire Stevie because she is the voice of Fleetwood Mac!!! Lindsey is just a guitar player with very average skills!! I'm ready for the new lineup!!
Darkness of the Night let us not forget the drama surrounding RUMORS & TUSK at the time was falling & completely FELL by that McVies divorced & Lyndsey & Stevie breaking up as she fell into the arms of Mick as he was also divorcing She holds a place in his heart like no other band mate EVA will get my drift ?? Lol 💞 As I believe both are still single & totally unspoken for as for any current relationship's 🤔 🌈
I was thinking the same thing. They had to work thier tours and albums continuously around Nicks solo schedule. Buckingham was the creative force , without him they are just another band.
Love me some Lindsey, but if he didn’t want to record for another 1.5 years, I can’t fault the band for not waiting. I think he’ll be back when he’s good and ready.
Fleetwood Mac before the addition of Buckingham and Nicks was their most creative time. Late sixties, early 70's Mac music with Green, Kirwin, Spencer, Welch, Fleetwood and the McVie's was just "off the charts" good. I saw the most popular iteration of Mac a few years ago in Tacoma and they seemed flat . . . a bit off. I am sad Lindsey won't be part of this tour but I must say I'm happy they will focus much of their performances on the earlier stuff.
@@scottishlisa3463 You obviously haven't listened to Buckingham Nicks album. Yes, Nicks wrote songs and twirled the shawls, but Buckingham is who made her songs.
I've seen Chicago a bunch - and one could argue they're a cover band nowadays... But after Lindsey's departure from Fleetwood Mac I have no interest at all in seeing them live again. He was that big a part of it for me. I would rather see a FM cover than spend the $$$$ to see FM without Lindsey. And a shame too cause I was looking forward to seeing the classic five again one more time. As the song says..."Oh Well"...
Sorry... Early '70s Fleetwood Mac is not worth the price of admission. I can not see 2 other guitarists doing the I'm So Afraid guitar solo,, Go Your Own Way, The Chain, Gypsy, etc. This is the only band in my list of favorites which i did not see live. I hope one day Lindsey will rejoin but it does not he will any time soon. A pity that they could not keep it together.
Or Never Going Back Again, Big Love, Not That Funny or any of the ones Lindsey does major "picking. Boo hiss. No Lindsey no ticket. So disappointing. I too hope Lindsey rejoins but I don't think he will. I wouldn't. Always takes 2 to replace him. Curious, no? (No. And they can't replace him, not truly.) Peace!
I actually tried to make myself watch a video here with the new lineup and it was just not happening. They are nothing but a cover band now! Fleetwood Nicks!
Neil Finn is so talented and has written some fantastic songs. Interesting line-up now. I still think Lindsay is great, I think this is just a temporary arrangement. A fuss over nothing.
STATION MAN, YES! That is my favorite Mac tune! I was definitely aware and disappointed (but found it understandable) that Buckingham was against playing any of great music made before he was in the band. Fleetwood Mac had 9 albums plus several more albums worth of material all before 1975, and most of it is really good. As much as I understand why Buckingham wanted/wants to focus on his material (and how he might not feel like explaining that "Black Magic Woman" is originally a Mac tune at every performance), doing that absolutely makes people think the band had no prior history, which is a shame.
The truth is finally coming out, slowly. Lindsey wasn't fired as they all agreed. Lindsey didn't want to tour until late 2019 because he is receiving treatment for a very serious health problem. He is physically unable to tour now and the rest of them wanted to get out there. Eventually the entire story will leak out although Lindsey doesn't want to talk about his health which is why he's had no comment. It's a sad situation but they're all getting older, and I'm getting older too.
The irony is in the 90's Fleetwood Mac wanted to go on tour and they replaced Buckingham with two people. That didn't turn out so well. Maybe this will work out better for them as Campbell and Finn are first class talents. I do believe Nicks is being somewhat disingenuous regarding doing old FW songs like "Oh Well" which I know for a fact they did on tours with Buckingham. You don't fire someone for that. It sounds like the most significant reason is his wanting to push off the next tour while they were ready now. Even this strikes me as hypocritical because if Stevie was working on a new solo album now she would have wanted to push the tour off too! The bottom line is these extremely wealthy musicians realize the money today is in touring and they could care less about recording new music. For this reason it made it easier to fire Buckingham now. Much easier to go out on tour with replacements than it is to create new brilliant music in the studio. This point is further substantiated by the fact Buckinghame did make a recent record with Chris McVie and toured behind it. The reasons stated at that time was Stevie had no desire to make a new record. I guess she got her way.
For me, Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham is not Fleetwood Mac 😞
Without Lindsey, it's not FM, some band members are not replaceable.
Chetallica LB ain't one of them
I’m 64. Fleetwood Mac was so in tune for me in the 70s and 80s. Without lb the magic is gone. Really sucks!
FM need him more than he needs them
Yep
I'll NEVER Go See or Hear Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey !!!!!
Stevie is single Lindsey has a family he cares about. What a concept!
For the most part, Lindsey is loved and FM will not do so well without him. They may have hired a lot of talent but it's not the same without our Lindsey.
No Lindsey, no Fleetwood. Period.
Norah Stuff Disagree. They made great music long before he and Stevie ever joined!
Norah Stuff you got that right
Veronica Vance you got that right
There just a coverband now. They tried this back in the 80s had 2 guys replace Lindsey. Didn’t work then won’t work now.
My feeling exactly
How about this people? Most of the members of the bands from our rock era (the 60's and 70's) are in their late sixties, and early seventies by now. Maybe some of them don't feel like getting up and touring as much anymore, after touring like a million times over the last 45, 50 or so years. It's a lot of hard work performing, and all the traveling too. Shit, I just turned 60, and sometimes I get tired just walking around Walmart a couple of times. lol
In 2012, back before Christine McVie’s return, Lindsey Buckingham was ready to tour again with Fleetwood Mac, but they waited for Stevie Nicks - who didn’t finally get back on the road with the band until 2013. Following McVie’s return a year later, Buckingham was ready to record, and again they waited for Nicks. By the following year, he and McVie had begun recording without her. This went on so long that they completed an entire album, featuring all of the members of Fleetwood Mac - except Nicks, who did another solo tour in 2015. Then, Buckingham and McVie, waiting into 2017, mounted their own separate tour. All of this happened while they waited for Stevie Nicks. Finally, Nicks returned, but by this point Buckingham - understandably, right? - was ready to do something on his own. So they reportedly fired him. Makes perfect sense... that’s from Nick DeRiso on Ultimate Classic Rock. I completely agree with him
If they can tour as a band without Christine and if they can tour as a band without Lindsey, then why can't/couldn't they tour without Stevie? There has to be someone out there who can play her part and sing her songs adequately enough for them to fill in when Stevie's not available, surely!
egoisnotadirtyword There is someone. Larry the lamb and any one of the 3 billy goats gruff can bleat along with the best, and they're all better looking
They're scheduled for Denver CO on Dec 3. I haven't decided if I'll go. Ticket prices for the Pepsi Center are usually over $250 for nosebleed seats. And to not see Lindsey play, I can't rationalize spending the money.
Same here. As far as I'm concerned, the last tour was my "farewell" tour.
Lindsey Buckingham is the true genius at the recording studio, the arrangements and sound layering that give FM their unique sound are because of him. He is the one who got a simple song from Stevie and made it gold. Now he has a family, he has other priorities and doesn't feel the need to rush for tours so often. He's taking life more calmly and even though he wanted to keep making music and touring, he wanted to take things easier and time to enjoy his life. Non-stop touring was not his #1 priority anymore. In a way I admire the rest of the band's energy, but it surprises me that Mick says that they don't have anything else to do.
I said it before I'll say it again..I want to see Buckingham all by himself with his guitar in concert.... I'd never pay $500 a ticket for FM even if I were rich. Hope Buckingham is more gracious to his life long fans. FM is not. And we are the people who bought those records and made them rich. I find them greedy.
Same here. Rather spend my money on solo Lindsey anyway.
Not long before Lindsey Buckingham was fired, there was a story on an Australian television program about the friendship between Mick Fleetwood and Neil Flynn, and in the course of the story it was intimated that a musical collaboration between the two of them was on the horizon. Coincidence?
Then Neil Flynn died, and Mick had to call his OTHER mate, Neil Finn.
Without Lindsey, it isn't Fleetwood Mac - they've gone away before, now gone for good.
They act like nobody will care if LB is in the band or not. Wouldn't see this if I was given a ticket.
Too right. All his history and he barely gets a mention from his band mates. It’s astonishing actually
Wow your going to miss out on the best version of Fleetwood Mac!!!
Yay more seats for real fans!
Ditto
after watching a few doco's on FM, I think Stevie is the problem... her ego... she thinks it's her band and she has said that basically she will do what she wants to do...regardless... it's all about her... I think she just wanted to get rid of LB, because he was in her way... Yet the only reason she got into FM was because LB insisted that she comes in with him... and that's the thanks LB got... I read something today (although I think it's old news) about how LB wife said that the FM members are just horrible people and she is sick of them and doesn't want anything to do with them anymore...
Disagree. I saw the documentary about the album they made in the early 2000s. Buckingham was every bit as much of a problem, if not more, in those sessions. If anything, he seemed to be the one who was constantly having issues. I think they're both very gifted but difficult people. As for Mrs. LB: c'mon. How must it feel to be married to someone for years, have three kids with them, and still be constantly hearing about his relationship with his ex? Especially when touring means that the wife's at home with the kids while the husband is off with that ex. Of course she's sick of them and wants them out of her and Lindsey's lives. I don't know how she's put up with it for this long.
True.
Judging by what they did to Buckingham, they are horrible,unethical,corrupt people.Often cokeheads rot their brains out and later in life have no morals or code of ethics and are spiritually vacant people.
Lindsey may be a bit of a tool, but he really is a legend. One of the most underrated guitarist to grace the stage, and that thumb! Man, that thumb!
A bit of a tool? What. You know him personally? Tell us about some of the weird experiences you had with him. We'd love to hear them. As far as I know he's a great singer, songwriter, and guitarist. As far as anything else goes. It's just BULL CRAP! Unless you know him of course.
Not going to pay outrageous prices to not see Lindsey. FM would not be FM w/o Lindsey’s work behind the scenes. I’d really like to see someone out play him.
Plus we all Loved the way Lindsey loved Stevie on stage the chemistry that boiled over to us all
Buckingham's wish to put off rehearsals for so long leads me to wonder if he may have just wanted to slow down and spend more time with his family, wife and three children.
He asked to put it off three months because he was already committed to his other project. They postponed for Nicks before.
well no Lindsey Buckingham it's not Fleetwood Mac would wast my money
Connor Uh name one? The 87 tour sucked.
Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey is like the Beatles without John; it's nice but something special is definitely missing.
Except John was a fucking arsehole
Yea.So true...the talent is missing.How could they fire BUCKINGHAM!!He WAS Fleetwood Mac!!He is suing them and he will win.He should see it as a blessing in disguise.
Buckingham played Oh Well multiple times, brilliantly, I might add.
Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey... all set with that. Without Lindsey, Fleetwood Mac would never have become the best band of the time. Without Lindsey, Stevie Nicks would never have made it. It’s sad.
Sorry there is no Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey !!
End of story !!
The problem I have with these larger acts is the ticket prices. After seeing geriatric Black Sabbath without their original drummer, and paying almost $350 for one barely decent seat (plus gas, parking etc), I pretty much swore those kinds of shows off. $350 is a nice amount of groceries.
I'm going to guess that Lindsey wanted to make a new Fleetwood Mac album instead of just cashing in on a greatest hits tour. (Cough, cough....Stones, cough, cough)🤑
Somebody is lying here. First of all Nicks says Buckingham wouldn’t do the old songs the band recorded before she and Buckingham joined but Buckingham recorded and sang the band’s decades old hit “oh well” on the “Fleetwood Mac live” double album. And the band had very little commercial success before nicks and Buckingham joined so what makes them think many fans will want to hear those songs anyway (though many of them are excellent). And the band has replaced Buckingham twice before without success and fans wouldn’t accept it so what makes them think it will work now?
Ron DayVoo I'm with ya... this is messy.
Good comment. As someone who saw the band in the late 70s, I can categorically state there was NOBODY yelling for the Peter Green material and she's straight up lying as Buckingham did play 'Oh Well.' Of course, she was probably too high and whirling around on stage to actually remember much of that period and probably figures who'll call her out on it anyway. I'm a crazy Mike Campbell fan but I wouldn't spend a dime to see this lineup.
cuz I said so. ;D
Lindsey Buckingham is a wise intelligent 70 year old man....he isn't stuck in the past ....look at his physique ....amazing....TUSK HIS MASTERPIECE....AN ARTIST!! A family man....he isn't consumed by social tabloid ....Facebook..side shows..etc
It would be nice to play some of the Danny Kirwan era songs again. He wrote some good songs and had a nasty vibrato that Mike Campbell could do justice to. Tom Petty used to play songs off of Kiln House on his Buried Treasure show on Sirius radio a lot.
I call BS on the whole thing. It was Lindsey that produced Say You Will, the LAST album of new material the band has put out. Ever since, they've been doing the exact SAME hits set with no more new material to speak of. Extended Play (a collection of half-baked demos) and Buckingham-McVie were both placeholders for when Stevie deemed the band worthy of her time again. It's been FIFTEEN years since the band has done anything of significance. They WAITED for Stevie plenty of times and had to put up with her antics. Now a 50th anniversary tour that is probably going to be their last. Really lame ass way to go out...
Washed-out has-been lushes. They made their zillions off the back of one album. Buck is a superb, flawed guitarist with his own sound.
Lindsey IS the band. Why didnt they fire Stevie when she held out? The Lindsey/Christine collaboration record was the result of that, and it was classic Mac
Why would you even bother seeing them without him? Especially for the completely ridiculous pricing
Judging by the reactions I'm seeing around the Internet, I get the feeling this tour is not going to be the big success the other recent tours have been. Like many of you, I can't see myself shelling out the bucks to attend one of these faux-FM concerts. I prefer to hold onto my memories of the real thing.
Yep, The prices for this tour are too high...crazy. Saw them in the seventies with John Cougar playing as their warm up for $18.00
They ought to be ashamed of themselves. They haven't made new music in forever and will still want ridiculous prices to watch them sing the same 15 Stevie and Christine songs with fewer Lindsey songs. At the least the Stones still make new music to go along with their never ending tours.
They are only going to be 10 songs that are their greatest hits. The other 13 will from the pre-Lindsey/Stevie era, deep cuts from the Lindsey/Stevie era, solo songs, etc.
Myself personally if LB isn’t playing with them then it’s not the Fleetwood Mac that I remember.
Of course there were a lot of changes before Buckingham/Nicks joined Fleetwood Mac as well
Of course this is all about Stevie- she even said it talking about wanting to keep working. Lindsey wanted to wait. Ok- well I guess Stevie got what she wanted. I highly doubt we'll see a new Fleetwood Mac album with Finn and Campbell.
Yeah when has Mike Campbell done any albums worth noting "rolls eyes"
Lindsey had another life - a family - Stevie - nothing.
RIP Fleetwood Mac.
Boo Boo Fleetwood Mac RIP 1967--2018, buried between the Rolling Stones and The Who.
It makes me ill to see these fossil bands who are already bloated with lots of cash and yet they keep playing for the money. Greedy greedy greedy.
Fired.....they 'had' to let him go under the circumstances. Seems working for FM as a lead guitar player is automatic terms for dismissal.
At least Lindsey is in good company.
R.I.P. Peter Green and Danny Kirwan
Lindsey Out after all these years. Come on Guys.. I loved the Buckingham-Mcvie album from last year. So good!
They certainly are coming on; they did not want to wait a long time to tour…I am a big Lindsey fan and of the album with Christine, but I like all music related to them.
Maybe Lindsey Buckingham felt trapped by FM.
It's not only about them, but I'll never understand how musicians within a band can be "replaceable'. I understand quitting, I understand additions and changes of musicians at the beginning, but when a band is a myth like they are (or else Queen, INXS... for example), there's no way it can be the same band with new members who will never be truly, historically part of the legacy that made the band famous in the first place. Worse even when they are frontmen, like seems to be the case every time that happens.
Fleetwood Mac doesn't exist anymore. The new band shouldn't be able to play any songs LB wrote or contributed to which leaves very few songs worth listening to, if any.
While changing personnel wasn’t completely out of the norm for Fleetwood Mac, they found their true calling some 40 plus years ago when they signed on Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. Lindsey wasn’t just a singer, composer and guitarist, he was their backbone. Without lead players the band is only a mediocre rhythm section with a name. It’s 2018, the players are all senior citizens in their 60’s and 70’s and it’s safe to say that their heyday is well behind them and it’s very unlikely that they’ll ever see anything new on the Top 40. At first this was going to be a farewell concert and it’s hard having one without a key player, which was a pretty dick move to part ways with, however you phrase it. The only chance they had of new tricks or spark of creativity is now gone.
I hear Peter Green & Danny Kirwan might be looking for a gig...
Buckingham is Fleetwood Mac. Musician, song writer, live performer. If you ever saw them live, you know what I'm talking about. Stevie and Lindsey rocketed the band to success. Neither is replaceable.
Tim Breakiron Everybody is replaceable. Everybody. If PaulMcCartney can be replaced then Buckingham is a footnote....
It is a pity the Buckingham/McVie album wasn't a FM one.
Stevie didn't want to contribute. But none of the 3 Post Tango in the Night albums had all 5 "Classic" members. What's the difference?
That was the spin put out by the band and it's manager it was really all about Stevie's refusal to perform with Lindsey. She the power in the band now.
I will not go see Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham. He was my favorite part of Fleetwood Mac. And that's all I have to say about that.
I totally agree. I have no desire. I'm usually ok with changes in lineup, but not with this one. His playing can't be replaced.
It's no surprise . I saw Fleetwoodmac in Sydney around 10 years ago . It was pretty obvious Lindsay didn't want to be there . He came across as very cranky and when he was finished with one guitar he'd THROW it to the side of the stage . At one point he confronted Stevie on stage with rolling clenched fists (play acting) . She had to play along while singing .
Wow! That doesn't sound good???
Read Mick fleetwoods book from 1990 this isn't new ,Lindsey always wants to do his own stuff but considering all there ages waiting till 2019 is a bit risky after all they are not in their 20 s or 30 s. In the past 30+ years my husband and I have seen Stevie Nick's on her own ( she's hardley a has been ) you don't come off 70 concert tour and say shes finished. We've seen Fleetwood Mac with and without Lindsey several times great concerts enjoyed ourselves either way. Like I said read the book written by Mick Fleetwood with the help of band members old and new ,spouses and producers as far as what happening with Lindsey same shit different year !!! I personally think Lindsey needs to take some responsibility . He's trying to be the victim when if he probably was a team player and toured this year we would be talking about what a great concert it was . They replaced Lindsey with Billy and Rick in the 80s and it's been over 30 plus years so I hardly believe this is the beginning of the end . If I lived closer to where they are having a concert I'd be there. I'm just grateful my son was able to see this great band when they came to Ottawa a few years back when he was there for school.
@@michelehicks3454 I read Mick's 1990 book but didn't get any of the impressions you did. All 5 members are entangled with affairs and failed marriages to one another that one can imagine its very complex with many old wounds and allegiances. For sure they lost face kicking LB out like this, ultimately an extortion from Stevie.
No Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey Buckingham! I will not be listening to anything new
Good thing I saw them in the 90’s, just not interested without Buckingham
I have no choice but to not go to Fleetwood Mac concerts now
Bye Felicia.
Well that's it, then. They'll have to disband if you're not going
Well said , they're just stevie and micks money making machine now
They needed two musicians to replace Lindsey! That alone tells the story!
Same thing in 1990 when they replaced him. 2 people.
For those who don't grasp it，when you fire one band member and have to replace them with two people, 1. They were an integral part to the group. 2. Getting rid of them cost you more than keeping them. #itscheapertokeepthem
I’m sure Mick Fleetwood really doesn’t like that word “fired” after Lindsay sued and they settled, out of court, for an undisclosed amount.
The whole band just needs to retire from touring. They are my favorite band of all time but they are old and just dont perform that well anymore. Minus Buckingham is just a huge hole for the hits they have. They were a super-band for decades but now they are just aged and should hang it up.
Lindsey is and always been in my top 5 all time favorite guitar player/singers. He is the real professional of fleetwood mac. Funny how they forget the termoil of the bass player and christines divorce. Stevie would not be who she is if she had not met lindsey. He has my loyality. Back in the day no body wanted to play with green on green manilishi because it was too evil. No one ever had that with lindseys songs. His addition was the bands power to go the distance.
Turmoil
No Lindsey, no Fleetwood Mac. Not interested in their concert without LB. They tried it before & was a disaster. Worse this tour. Very sad but can enjoy their old videos & hits
Like Lindsey said, " I had my first child at 48 years old and I found my soul mate and Stevie don't have any children so she's the one who can't move on " He has 3 beautiful children and just had an open heart surgery.
Saw them live ... Lindsey was awesome best guitarist I've ever seen live ... Ok 2nd best RIP EVH
Fleetwood Mac without Buckingham is like a cone without ice cream.
Fleetwood Mac would not exist at all if it was not founder guitarist singer Peter Green, John McVie and Mick Fleetwood.
You mean crisp and clean before it turns into a soggy mess?
they have performed Station Man with Buckingham in the band, though it was a long time ago during the Rumors days!!
I think the problem stems from the fact that Lindsey wanted to record new music. The thing is, Lindsey is a prolific songwriter and probably got bored doing the oldies again and again. On the other side of the coin, the rest of the band just want to tour and make stacks of money. Really hope Lindsey gets back to full health after his recent surgery, his solo stuff is so damned great.
Already saw them on their last two tours with LB and can't imagine the group without him, but I wasn't a fan till the mid to late 70s. As far as i'm concerned it is like the Beatles getting back together (if they were all still alive), but without John Lennon and still calling themselves "the beatles". Sorry, it just doesn't work. That is just me though.
Don't cave, Johnny! That's what Mick is counting on, people with enough curiosity to waste $600 or more for a pair of decent tickets to see even older material. You'll never get as much pleasure seeing "Oh Well" with this crappy line-up as you would watching Peter Green and Danny Kirwan perform it right here on youtube. I'll take my money and catch another Elton John concert or a solo Buckingham one or two if he decides to go out on his own (hopefully).
Gotta agree with you here. Instead of creating new music and moving forward, they're drumming up songs that are even more ancient then the ones already on their set list. Rumours is 41 years old, and Tango is 31. Their last new album (Say You Will) is 15!
Without Lindsay they flatlined.
Nobody no matter how good could ever replace Lindsey
I'm a huge fan of Mike Campbell, and love Neil Finn. Find it amazing that these two major players would end up joining Fleetwood Mac. But FM without Lindsey Buckingham... not sure I can go for that. Going to give it a chance and listen to what the music sounds like.
Ron Lafleur all my favorite songs seem to be Lindsey songs...I bet they will not even try to do..bleed to love her or...so afraid...how could they without Lindsey.....
no i won't pay to see them without lindsey, i won't see journey without steve perry,and i'm done seeing the eagles after glen passed, nothing lasts forever.
One of the things I liked the most about Fleetwood Mac was their diverse sound. While most bands held one single singer to be the lead on most of if not all of the songs they did, that ultimately led to the band sounding the same song after song. Such was not the case with Fleetwood Mac. On one song it would be Stievie Nicks and on another it would be Christie Macvie
While on another still would be Lindsey Buckingham. This to me made this band one of the greats of all time. If they go on tour now, I would like to see how they would do a song like "Big Love" or even better yet, the most classic of iconic ones "Chain" and see how it would even sound as close as good as the original without him. His voice is one of a kind just like Stevie Nicks is and it is irreplaceable Not a smooth move by the group to exclude him from future performances.
Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie where both accomplished vocalists, if you like pop music. But listen to any Fleetwood Mac song where Lindsey Buckingham is the main vocalist and I guarantee a truly great guitar solo was bound to follow. Why did Fleetwood Mac choose to abandon that successful blueprint?
No disrespect but I wouldn’t go just to see Mick Fleetwood and John Mac Vie, they are really good no question but they were finished until they met Lindsey, ok I understand it’s difficult when you can’t unanimously agree, I see from both sides but as it stands Lindsey is out! Those songs that Stevie sings will never be the same the way she stood and looked straight at him the feeling that makes her song special would disappear and turn into just another same old song and likewise how can anyone sing
Lindsey’s songs to Stevie, just doesn’t add up, no wonder they are including the old stuff of the original band but can we really relate to this MUSIC totally different and what fans are they aiming to please, the old Fleetwood Mac is dead and buried so why the resurrection ?
Two things. But first I'd like to say that the bluesy Peter Green era from like 1968 to 1973 is my favorite era, and music of Fleetwood Mac. Though I missed seeing that line up live. Too young. Though I did see the Stevie/Lindsey line up in 1977, 1997 and 1999. 1) Now. When they asked Lindsey to join the band after their guitarist at the time, Bob Welsh left to go solo in 1975, Lindsey said that they would have to take his girlfriend Stevie too, or he would have to decline the offer. They said "NO, we only need a guitarist". Plus they already had a girl singer, Christine. He insisted, and they gave in, and took Stevie too, so they can him. This is in all the books, and reports, and part of common knowledge in their history. 2) When Lindsey joined, with his guitar playing, singing, arranging, and songwriting in '75, he immediately, and singlehandedly turned the band from, a pretty good average band, into ONE OF THE BIGGEST MEGA SUPERSTAR, MULTI MILLIONAIRE, TOP BANDS OF THE 70'S. How the fuck could they ever fire HIM? That's so uncool. They would have been dead by the early 80's I believe, if it wasn't for Lindsey Buckingham. That's like if The Heartbreakers would have fired Tom Petty. Or if The Eagles had fired Don Henley, and Glen Frey. LOL What do you say Kiddies??
I say the same!!!!!!?They have always been my Favorite band.I have recently really had the chance because if it to see and here Lindsey Buckingham solo.I had heard some of the songs he sings before but didn't realize it was L.B.Soul Drifter,his concerts ,have just so loving watching listening to him WoW and a hunk too. Thanks am sad to say though right now I've tried to listen to Fleetwood Mac and Dtevie Nick's but I can't,it's a very odd feeling.I will just keep enjoying Lindsey Buckingham 💖
What say? What I say is you're glossing over the actual truth, stretching facts and half-truths to fit the story you want to tell and want to believe in your head, and leaving out all the parts that detract from your story. Just one example is your description about how Nicks-Buckingham joined FM - partial true twisted and exaggerated. Nothing like the convenience of confirmation bias, huh? It really works!
Like a lot of commenters on here, you only have a smattering of understanding - or are simply only reporting what you chose to - and haven't dug very deep or listened to or read very many interviews from all five of them over the past 40 years. Make no mistake, I like Lindsey Buckingham a lot - as a part of FM, for his guitar/vocals/song writing/production, and I wish the five of them were touring together.
But Buckingham himself has admitted in various interviews over the years - not a complete full "confession" at any one time, but enough parts and pieces over the years to add it up - that he was not always so nice to Nicks (enough reports in various interviews and reports about his physical/verbal/emotional abuse of Nicks), and he is a pain in the ass to work with. And if you pay attention to what he says in various interviews, both in print along with many that are right here on youtube, in various unguarded comments he makes, just how utterly patronizing and condescending he is not only toward Nicks but to the entire band. btw, there is plenty from Nicks as well - she has made numerous patronizing remarks about Buckingham, although not so much condescending.
Even Kristen (his wife) has said as much about Lindsey, about how "prickly" he can be. That's her word to describe him, and I would tend to think, being his wife, and in the context that she said that, that's a euphemism for something a bit more nasty. After I wrote that, I looked up the source for you: see Rolling Stone, Oct. 10, 2018 for that, and then set about reading/listening to 40 or 50 interviews with all of them - mostly individual - that you obviously chose to ignore.
As for the Nicks - Buckingham saga, that is never ending. They'll love-hate each other through eternity, but remember it takes two to mucky up a relationship.
Frank ny - I’m in total agreement!
I don't really care, I miss Steve Perry and Freddie Mercury. Guess I am not a big FM fan, just watch an occasional video of them, now and then.
I'll miss Lindsey for all his hard work and dedication to the group, but there is way too much catalouge in the arsenal that needs be played. So in that..., all i gotta say is this..., The Green Manalishi!!!!
Blah blah blah. It really comes down to no Lindsey Buckingham...no interest whatsoever in Fleetwood Mac.
Hi John,
I heard that too. Love your reports, John. Done with class... with the backdrop of the band. I have a little trouble with this.
The way members are replaced like this... all in the name of moolah... does not smell too good. Don't get me wrong. I think Mike Campbell and Neil Finn are very brilliant but I am not sure that they fit in the FM sound. I think Lindsey is such an integral part of the band.... it ls like replacing Lennon or McCartney in the Beatles for me..... pardon the slight exaggeration.. but maybe not too exaggerated.
I still can';t get over how much Lindsey killed it on stage on the last tour I saw him..."On with the Show Tour from 2-3 years ago.
Thank you
God bless
John
In other words Lindsey didn't need the money nor aggravation and wanted some sort of life. Were the rest of F.M had nothing else going on which is sad. And F.M without L.B is the same as the Stones without Keith Richards.
Worse than the Stones without Richards. The Stones would still have Jagger. FM loses its lead guitarist and front man in one fell swoop.
I thought he wanted Stevie to join him last year when he and Christine toured ?! Stevie can also be difficult!
I don't understand the comment about doing some of the early stuff. The live album from 1980 has Lindsey singing "oh well" and I also have recordings of the "classic five" singing "station man" and "green manalishi "
i don't mean to upset any old mac fans but i've listened to alot of their stuff pre nicks/buckingham and, i've got to say that that stuff just does nothing for me. i would've rather waited until 2019/2020 to go see them with buckingham and hearing some new stuff as well as the nicks buckingham hits from the 80's.....sorry folks.
I think this is Stevie's doing....
Stevie and Mick. Shame on John and Christine for not standing up.
Stevie Nicks' explanation is very discombobulated. If the relationship between her and Lindsey was so stormy, she could have left the band, filed a restraining order and continue having a solo career. She had solo hits. I will break it down for you Stevie. Everytime you saw Lindsey, you saw that the biggest mistake you made was walking away from him. Now he has what you've always wanted, a spouse and child(ren), and now you're a septuagenarian and regret is excruciating at this stage in life.
Spot on he really loved her
😂y'all got it so twisted
You got it.She is a bitter woman,stuck in the past,still trying to create a drama with Buckingham, who has moved on, slander his good name and sabotage his tour.She is JEALOUS because he is happily married with a lovely family he is devoted to.She can't grow beyond her egoic preoccupation with her own regrets.You would think she would be grateful for the fact that he MADE HER CAREER,made all their careers!!
Lindsey is far and away the biggest talent in the band.
Let's get some perspective here:
The firing of Lindsey is an example of discrimination:
Here is a quote from ultimateclassicrock.com/fleetwood-mac-stevie-nicks-new-album/ :
"Fleetwood similarly blamed Nicks for a long-delayed Fleetwood Mac tour that was supposed to start in 2012, crediting an "obsession" with her solo career. Apparently, not much has changed. "She just doesn't want to spend the time right now," Fleetwood said. "And we're quietly saddened about that, but also I sort of understand."
So in Stevie's case Mick Fleetwood understood.
Another quote from the article: "It all comes down to Stevie Nicks. She's the one person keeping Fleetwood Mac from completing their first album since 2003's Say You Will, the band's co-founder, drummer Mick Fleetwood, says."
But Stevie wasn't fired. Oh no, she was allowed to keep the band from both touring and making a new album!
Yep. She’s a total diva.
Stevie Nicks is Fleetwood Mac !!! You can't fire Stevie because she is the voice of Fleetwood Mac!!! Lindsey is just a guitar player with very average skills!! I'm ready for the new lineup!!
Darkness of the Night I
Darkness of the Night let us not forget the drama surrounding RUMORS & TUSK at the time was falling & completely FELL by that McVies divorced & Lyndsey & Stevie breaking up as she fell into the arms of Mick as he was also divorcing
She holds a place in his heart like no other band mate EVA will get my drift ?? Lol 💞
As I believe both are still single & totally unspoken for as for any current relationship's 🤔 🌈
I was thinking the same thing. They had to work thier tours and albums continuously around Nicks solo schedule. Buckingham was the creative force , without him they are just another band.
If they're playing older songs I hope Black Magic Woman is on their setlist
Love me some Lindsey, but if he didn’t want to record for another 1.5 years, I can’t fault the band for not waiting. I think he’ll be back when he’s good and ready.
Fleetwood Mac before the addition of Buckingham and Nicks was their most creative time. Late sixties, early 70's Mac music with Green, Kirwin, Spencer, Welch, Fleetwood and the McVie's was just "off the charts" good. I saw the most popular iteration of Mac a few years ago in Tacoma and they seemed flat . . . a bit off. I am sad Lindsey won't be part of this tour but I must say I'm happy they will focus much of their performances on the earlier stuff.
Lindsey Buckingham, made Fleetwood Mac what is today If it wasn't for him they would have still been playing blues in London. Clubs.
Roger Nighbert u mean the biggest selling band in Europe u Idiot Peter Green didn’t like America 🎯
And if not for Lindsey, Stevie would have never had a shot in Fleetwood Mac.
@@A_Muzik - and if not for Mick Fleetwood, Lindsey would be unheard of too !
@@scottishlisa3463 You obviously haven't listened to Buckingham Nicks album. Yes, Nicks wrote songs and twirled the shawls, but Buckingham is who made her songs.
I've seen Chicago a bunch - and one could argue they're a cover band nowadays... But after Lindsey's departure from Fleetwood Mac I have no interest at all in seeing them live again. He was that big a part of it for me. I would rather see a FM cover than spend the $$$$ to see FM without Lindsey. And a shame too cause I was looking forward to seeing the classic five again one more time. As the song says..."Oh Well"...
Sorry... Early '70s Fleetwood Mac is not worth the price of admission. I can not see 2 other guitarists doing the I'm So Afraid guitar solo,, Go Your Own Way, The Chain, Gypsy, etc. This is the only band in my list of favorites which i did not see live. I hope one day Lindsey will rejoin but it does not he will any time soon. A pity that they could not keep it together.
gosh i dont want to hear anyone else sing I;m so afraid
Or Never Going Back Again, Big Love, Not That Funny or any of the ones Lindsey does major "picking. Boo hiss. No Lindsey no ticket. So disappointing. I too hope Lindsey rejoins but I don't think he will. I wouldn't. Always takes 2 to replace him. Curious, no? (No. And they can't replace him, not truly.) Peace!
I actually tried to make myself watch a video here with the new lineup and it was just not happening. They are nothing but a cover band now! Fleetwood Nicks!
FleetEnz Nicks.
+ Truly1Tom Yep. That is what it became under Nicks regime.
Great job John, we have really become fans of your show!
Thanks so much.
Neil Finn is so talented and has written some fantastic songs. Interesting line-up now. I still think Lindsay is great, I think this is just a temporary arrangement. A fuss over nothing.
STATION MAN, YES! That is my favorite Mac tune!
I was definitely aware and disappointed (but found it understandable) that Buckingham was against playing any of great music made before he was in the band. Fleetwood Mac had 9 albums plus several more albums worth of material all before 1975, and most of it is really good.
As much as I understand why Buckingham wanted/wants to focus on his material (and how he might not feel like explaining that "Black Magic Woman" is originally a Mac tune at every performance), doing that absolutely makes people think the band had no prior history, which is a shame.
The truth is finally coming out, slowly. Lindsey wasn't fired as they all agreed. Lindsey didn't want to tour until late 2019 because he is receiving treatment for a very serious health problem. He is physically unable to tour now and the rest of them wanted to get out there. Eventually the entire story will leak out although Lindsey doesn't want to talk about his health which is why he's had no comment. It's a sad situation but they're all getting older, and I'm getting older too.
@Steven Miller
Uh-ha.
I will NEVER see Fleetwood Mac without Lindsay! The band fucked him over. He WAS the band!
The irony is in the 90's Fleetwood Mac wanted to go on tour and they replaced Buckingham with two people. That didn't turn out so well. Maybe this will work out better for them as Campbell and Finn are first class talents.
I do believe Nicks is being somewhat disingenuous regarding doing old FW songs like "Oh Well" which I know for a fact they did on tours with Buckingham. You don't fire someone for that. It sounds like the most significant reason is his wanting to push off the next tour while they were ready now. Even this strikes me as hypocritical because if Stevie was working on a new solo album now she would have wanted to push the tour off too!
The bottom line is these extremely wealthy musicians realize the money today is in touring and they could care less about recording new music. For this reason it made it easier to fire Buckingham now. Much easier to go out on tour with replacements than it is to create new brilliant music in the studio. This point is further substantiated by the fact Buckinghame did make a recent record with Chris McVie and toured behind it. The reasons stated at that time was Stevie had no desire to make a new record. I guess she got her way.
They should have gone full circle and asked Peter Green and Jeremy Spencer to rejoin :D , they are both still gigging..
oh.. and changed the name back to Peter Greens Fleetwood Mac while they're at it!
Personally it does not matter to me either way. I am just amazed the band still exist at all.