Lelit Elizabeth Steam & Bloom phase preinfusion quick change
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2020
- Find me at coffeetime.freeflarum.com/ This video is part of a larger written review of the Elizabeth.
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Very informative! Thanks! I’m considering buying an Elizabeth, and this helps a lot.
Thanks for this video. It makes me wonder if there is something wrong with my Elizabeth since pressure doesn't build to 3 bars. It just stays at 0 in fact...
"4 differents pre-infusions"! Nice video!
Thanks!
wow Dave, what a brilliant job you have done for us that are interested in these machines , thank you very much! I read the majority of your review in ms sway. You had a contact-info row that I tried but it directed me to a page that did not work. I had a few questions. Will you update the page soon so I can send a few questions?
Thanks Dave!
I just realised I didn't set it up right in the sways. I have corrected that and the contact option should now work fine. I don't check the e-mail very offten, but I promise to try and answer any questions.
When you turned upside that coffee holder. Where did that get from as it was a perfect size coffee grind holder. And what grinder do you recommend?
It's a Grindestien knock box, you can get them from Amazon I think. Grinders are truck, depends how much you want to spend, types of roast you like the flat or conical burrs. Also whether you want to do french press or Pour over. Best place to ask is on a coffee forum.
Hi Dave, great video on Elizabeth. See that you have both Elizabeth and Mara X, in your opinion which machine would produce the most consistent espresso and more forgiving? Also is the steaming power differs greatly between the 2 machines if I want to steam 200ml of milk back to back for example?
Elizabeth, it's also an extremely powerful steamer indeed. Of course it is a dual boiler
Ah? I heard the V3 Elisabeth doesn't have the low noise vibratory pump, I saw on another channel that he upgraded to the MaraX pump, and it got even more quieter.
No, I specified the V3 model with a number of changes I wanted to see before I would review it. One of those was the use of the QuietX Pump (as I call it). Mine initially had the standard pump and I upgraded it (as I had requested production models should come with it). It is even quieter than the MaraX when it uses the same pump.
Does the PID hold steady during a shot? Is there any way to see that? It looks like the machine takes some time to display the PID temp after the shot has been pulled.
Not that I know of...
Hi Dave, I own an Elizabeth in the last few days. I watched your video and I noticed that your coffee starts running from the spouts after the preinfusion phase. In mine I see coffee running during the preinfusion. When I go finer it is running less but still, it does. Is it normal?
It might depend on dose size and how absorbent the coffee is.
Well done m8. Very informative video. I am just wondering though in what situation is better to use steam preinfusion and in what to use bloom preinfusion? Also the gentle vs the more aggresive steam preinfusion (from low vs high steam temp set) what differencies does it make to the final result?
Steam preinfusion simply uses the pressure generated by the steam boiler to apply gentle pressure to the brew water.
For some coffees it seemed better, for others I preffered a bloom (Puck infused and the no pressure for a while). Just letting the hot water and coffee sit for a while. I think people have to experiment with the method an timings for each coffee type they use.
I guess experimenting with the temperature and hence pressure of the steam boiler is yet another parameter to play with.
@@DaveCorbey I was also thinking that in case you play with these options and you end up prefering the steam preinfusion, then you always have to use both boilers even if u r an espresso drinker. In fact, Specially if you are an espresso drinker. Because only then you can understand the differencies. If you want a latte or capuccino it won't matter. Because the milk will mask those minor differencies anyway.
So a technique that is targeting espresso drinkers requires you to use both boilers. Which has 2 downs. Its more costly and more time consuming (for the 1st morning coffee). In my opinion those 2 factors longrun will make you reverting back to traditional/bloom preinfusion.
@@logica1one I have one and turn on/off the machine, so probably a run time of 6 hours a day in total. Half the energy use so far compared to my HX. You can also put the steam boiler in ECO mode which maintains a low temp that heats up quickly when you need it
@@logica1one the steam pre infusion is something special for espresso drinkers. I’m blown away by how good it is
Great video, thanks! When I do the steam preinfusion with the exact same settings as you (steam temp 140) I only get about 1,2 bar. I use a blind filter and Es is 0. Do you possible know why it is so much lower on my machine? Do you also have Es set to 0? I have the V3 by the way. Thanks!!
Might just be how fine the coffee is ground....or whether the initial pump phase fills the headspace completely before steam preinfusion starts!
I have the same. About 1.1 bar pressure with steam boiler temp set to 135 degrees Celsius.
Should I change the pump run (BLs1, BLs2 to the advanced settings menu) from 3 secs to over 4 secs in case that the intire head space is not filled in with 3 secs run??? (I must say that I grind my coffee fine enough so grinding is not the reason)
Hello Dave, I have had my Elizabeth for few days. I've noticed that the BLS time makes no difference in the pressure gauge. So even if I run the pump for 10 seconds the pressure still won't go over about 2.5 bar. Do you know how to fix that?
It could be a few things, such as grind too course or bls time too short. You can also ask other owners here and pup a video up of the problem. coffeetime.freeflarum.com/
Hi there, I have two questions triggered by your eye opening video.
One, do all dual boiler machines have the "steam preinfusion" capacity? So, the unique feature of Elizabeth is that it can go up to 4 bars (in contrast to other machines that I guess go a lot lower)? Or is it that this feature (push brew boiler water using steam boiler water) is unique for Elizabeth?
Two, would this feature somehow ever be possible in a single boiler (or single boiler hx for that matter) machine? Or are single boiler machines doomed to "bloom preinfusion" at best? And, to be more specific, my question goes to Victoria by Lelit :)
Thank you very much!
No, the Elizabeth is the only one I know of that has steam pressure preinfusion. You can't do it on a single boiler, because the temperature would have to be so high, the coffee extraction would be very poor.
Hi pal how long does this machine take to heat up? I am looking to buy a new espresso machine and not sure if I like the energy efficiency and heat up times with HX or dual boiler machines.
About 17-18 minutes, very energy efficient to. It runs an overheat cycle initiaally to speed warm up times..when the display stops flashing and shows 93 or whatever it's set to again...then it's ready
Hi dave, in steam preinfusion, how you got the pump to run for 3 seconds and got 3 bars?
I believe my pump is runing for 1 second and i get only 1 bar of pressure
change the initial pump run time, I think it's b1, to 3 seconds, so the headspace above the portafilter is filled before steam preinfusion kicks in...also make sure your grind is correct.
At about -5:31 you put text on screen that steam never touched coffee but you said there was steam pre-infusion. So which is it, please?
The steam provides the push pressure for water in the brew boiler to preinfuse the puck. The steam doesn't touch the coffee.
@@DaveCorbey I see thank you. This next comment is not meant for you but I thought the manufacturer said it "is steam pre-infusion" otherwise I don't see point in having the steam boiler drive the water to the pump? That makes no sense?
I tried this on my Elizabeth (V3) which I have just bought. It made no difference whether I had the steam boiler on or off (E mode). Both buttons 1& 2 worked with steam preinfusion either way. Is this a fault on the machine or did I do something wrong?
I haven't explored the advanced menu so no changes made to that.
Can you advise?
Have a read of the 3 documents referenced here, as the software is unchanged to the best of my knowledge coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2020/05/08/lelit-elizabeth/
@@DaveCorbey Many thanks. I went back to the video and found the link to the setup of the advanced features and have done it so I now have buttons 1 & 2 set up according to your notes from the website. Very clear and helpful video and the notes made it very easy to work through the settings.
Having tried both we decided that, for cappuccino, Button 1 (steam pre-infusion 3+8 seconds) was the best taste. I did alter all the advanced parameters to your suggested settings ( in the list on the website) but I am not sure what difference that made. Just seemed silly not to take advantage of the effort you had made to develop this complicated profile) Mike
i want to buy a*s mini*a, but after seeing this i was confused. can elizabeth to 100cup / day?
The Elizabeth is not suitable for 100 cups per day. The Minima can, because I have used it for 100 cups per day at Host Milan...BUT you do have to keep filling the tank and emptying the drip tray, a lot! If you were doing 100 cups per day on a regular basis, I would recommend a small commercial machine, plumbed in.
@@DaveCorbey thank you for sharing your knowledge. I didn't take both, I bought the Expobar Brewtus rotary pump. 👍
Hey, thanks for the video! What scale are you using?
No longer available I am afraid, were made by Smartweigh
I'm confused. Should I get the elizabeth or the silvia pro?
Depends on your requirements and what you like the look of.
The Silvia pro is an overpriced underwhelming machine
@@benjirem2651 Why? There aren't to many dual boilers around in that price category and I actually like the build quality and such of the silvia pro...
Elizabeth is cheaper and has more features
@@benjirem2651 Silvia has a bigger steam boiler. There is an argument to be made about the quality too. The silvia pro weighs nearly twice as much, that should indicate how thick the metal sheets are that are used to build both machines.
Not saying that the quality of the Lelit really is poorer. For that I'd need to take a detailed look at both machines. But just saying "more features = more better" is quite simplistic IMO.