Lelit Elizabeth LCC Advanced Setting Explained
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2020
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This video is part of a larger written review of the Elizabeth.
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LCC Advanced guide online document sway.office.com/S5J4d9Jp4Y9LdVFx
Elizabeth Maintenance tips sway.office.com/qoXHjmMAg4DeFX8b
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These settings just allowed me to pull the best shot of espresso I have ever tasted. Thanks, man!
Hi Dave. Thanks for this video. Super useful overview and explanation. Great content for new Elizabeth owners and self confessed expresso geeks like myself!
My only question is how do you not have more likes on your videos! Keep up the great work!
Because I don't ask for likes, subscribers or anything (I don't monetise my work)...the site was originally (and primarily still is) just somewhere for me to dump videos that were part of a larger written review.. My videos are not really designed to entertain, just to inform. I guess the people who like them have decided they might like a particular machine and come hear to find out about it. The other people who tend to use my site are actually Retailers....to find out what gotchas a machine might have.
Hi Dave thank you for this. Thank you for your Elizabeth videos, too - they helped me make my decision and I am incredibly happy. One thing I did notice with the steam pre-infusion is if you run it for the full 20 seconds allowed, it does hiss and spit towards the end if you run it without a filter. I know it would normally push the water through, but I do believe that it also means if the water gets through and starts to pour, the steam would touch the coffee. Observation, not criticism. In my experiments at home, I'd say grinding for a sweat after 6-10 seconds seems to produce really sweet, fruity shots in most beans I am roasting medium-light on my Kaffelogic nano. It's a stunning machine, the Elizabeth, and a great example of how small things can make a big difference in the user experience. Also, I can leave it on all day and use 1.1kwh of power vs 2.5kwh with my previous HX machine.
steam preinfusion only works correctly if you have coffee loaded into the portafilter. If you just run it with an empty basket or no portafilter in the group, yes you would notice quite an increase water flow and you would get too much water from the steam boiler into the brew boiler.
Dear Dave! thank you so much for your effort...i really appreciate it! Actually your informations regarding the Elizabeth made me order it last week and I am looking forward to make my espresso with it....cheers from Hamburg Germany...dado
It's a clever little machine and very energy efficient. Don't forget to read the review with the link to the MS sway, guides and tips...you will find them very useful. Links should be in the video.
@@DaveCorbey I did already and changed all settings according to yours... thank you again...! Cheers 🙂
Hi, Dave!
Thanks for the videos on the Elizabeth! I got the v3 a week ago and had the same default settings as one of the previous commenters here.
I immediately set your recommended values for everything and I've been using it like that with no problem.
But just out of curiosity: how did you get these PID values and how do they affect brewing and everything? For example, if I had beans dialed in at these settings, how would they brew at the default settings?
Thanks!
I spend about a week doing a real world temperature series (not lab testing) and tune the PID parameters to work optimally in the range 89 - 95...being most accurate around 92/93C. I use a SCACE II for testing.
I hope to explain the settings in detail for Lilit Pinka machine.
Hi Dave, I recently acquired a used Lelit Elizabeth and I was changing the LCC Advanced settings and I was confused to find out that there is no EVS setting and the rest it only goes to ToT and then cycles back to KPc. Any idea why?
Hi Dave, Thanks again for making these advanced setting videos! I have a couple of questions about the your settings: KPc = 0.2 (PID Proportional value coffee boiler) & KIc = 0.07 (PID Integral value coffee boiler). The default values on my v3 110v US machine are KPc: 2.0 and KIc: .04. I was wondering how you came to these settings and if you recommend modifying to match yours? I have a minimal understanding of how PID controllers work from google. Additionally, my default KPs is 20. Is there any logic from the factory on having this value? Or do you again recommend adjusting to 0? Thanks again for spending the time on these videos! They have been super helpful :)
Try my settings and see how you get on. I assume you're heating elements are the same wattage as the UK ones, just 120V version. I did considerable testing to come to these values.
Hi Dave! Thank you very much for your work and the video and for publishing the different settings. As I'm thinking about buying the Lelit Victoria, will the coffee settings be the same, as both machines work with the same boiler (for coffee)? Thank you very much in advance for your feedback.
I don't really know anything about the Victoria
Thanks for the guide. I wonder if the same tweaks can be done on Lelit Victoria as well? I particularly like the display to show real temp as opposed to target temp.
I am not familiar with the Victoria...it was a machine is slightly under my interest level, so I never bothered reviewing it.
F01 - what illumination? I thought it is for pressure gauge, changed it to 0 but it is till on.
Thanks for this! Lelit Insider has different values for KPc (0.5) and KDc (0.5) and ES (0), what do you think?
Also, which version of the Elizabeth do you have? In other words, are the recommended settings the same for all versions?
Is there an advanced menu on the V1/V2? Do you know if we can set Elizabeth V1/V2 to display the actual temperature (TR=1)?
I don't believe you can, one of my annoyances I asked them to change.... If there is, then this guide I did for the new Elizabeth may help you find it. sway.office.com/S5J4d9Jp4Y9LdVFx Remember you can get an updated LCC or, if the dealer has the facility, get your existing LCC flashed by the retailer with updated software.
Hello Dave, thanks so much for making these videos? I have set my LCC using your recommended values, and I have noticed that sometimes when the machine sits idle for awhile, the temp starts to dip all the way down to around 83-84c before the boiler kicks back on and brings it back up to temp. Is this normal behavior? If not, is there a setting I can adjust to cause the boiler to kick back on earlier?
Not really....not if it's sitting at idle? The thing to check is that eco mode/energy saving mode isn't coming on.You can also ask here for help. coffeetime.freeflarum.com/
Hi Dave, Did you check with a portafilter pressure gauge to test the pressure difference between the Elizabeth's pressure manometer and the group/brew pressure? Preliminary findings show the manometer should be accurate to brew pressure, but not certain. My shots have often extracted at 10 bars or more as seen on the Elizabeth's manometer and i intend to adjust it down
yes, I always double check with a portafilter pressure gauge...I actually have two of them.
Thank you sir!! Are those settings still actual in 2024? And if someone can explain please, why we set offset at 10c? Isnt it decrease boiler lifetime? I were using Anna and set offset to 4 just to be sure that temp on pid is actual temp, whats the point of 10c offset in Elizabet?
Thanks in advance 🙂🙏
I own this machine and looking forward to upgrading the lcc. It adds a lot of features.
If I set EVS to 0, does the hot water function uses water from the steam boiler since the electrovalve is off ?
Yes
Hi Dave, my version on machine is 5.02 think is V2.I live in Europe, what do you think can i safely try your setting?Only change settings for actual temperature. Some settings I didn't have on my menu.Thank you for your time.
Should be able to yes.
Hi Dave,
First of all i really appreciate your content. Thanks for this :)
Iam a new owner of the Elizabeth since 2 days. Production Date 02/2020. So V2!
I checked your vids and some of the options aren‘t available at my.. less options at the Advanced settings and also i cant Turn off the steam Boiler by pressing „-„ for 3sec or checking the actual temp by double press „+“ Button..
LCC shows V5.03b instead of V5.05a as yours. Wondering if you may can help me our with this issue. Many thanks in advance
Sounds like you don't have the revised model built from July 2020
Hi Dave, I like to try a profile temperature for a shot. From 95 to 90. is it possible to do do with de LCC settings?
Not on the Elizabeth...the latest model Bianca has a limited ability to drop the temperature during the shot....but it is very limited. A machine that is capable of doing it is the Vesuvius Evo Leva...but that's a very different type of machine.
What type of extra features do you think they will include if they do a V4.
I ask because I don’t see needing any more functions. This is already really advanced I think
There are a few things that can perhaps enhance the experience but you're right, Elizabeth is now fairly advanced for the type of package and price point it sits in.
Hi Dave, thanks for your videos and reviews! I got my Elizabeth two days ago and I immediately changed the RT setting to 1. Now when I turn the machine on it heats up to 119 degrees! Once I use some water from the dispenser it drops to the set 95 and stays in this range. Is this normal? 119 on the display really freaks me out...
If it's in the fast warm up routine after switching it on, you will see the higher set temp for a while.
I have the same issue and I don't think it is normal part of the warmup routine. When I turn on the machine from cold it climbs up to 120 degrees and then slowly dropping to the 97 degree . It only happens once and only happens from the cold start.
Thank you for this helpful video.
If I want to setup button 1 for steam pre-infusion and button 2 for bloom without having to turn off the steam boiler how do I do this and would you recommend it?
There is a document that explains how this system works accessible from the full written review, of which this video is a part. sway.office.com/S5J4d9Jp4Y9LdVFx
Essentially if preinfusion and the EV1 is enabled, then turning the steam boiler off or on can change the type of preinfusion from steam pressure, to bloom phase on the fly. Otherwise you would have to go into the advanced settings to change EV1, which is much harder. There is no way to do exactly what you want to do without tuning the steam boiler on/off...which is only a single button press.
@@DaveCorbey Thanks for this helpful reply. I have worked through your helpful notes and the video and fixed it.
Hi, Dave, you still use your Elisabeth you happy with it? Is it built well enough to last for a while? I'm 74 years old and that would be my last Machine.
Should see you out.....obviously you will have to maintain it, but that's true of any espresso machine.
How big should be the tamper for eliza? 58.5mm?
Might be a bit tight, I use a 58
@@DaveCorbey i had ordered 58.5, was abit worried but they came today parallel to the machine. The 58.5 is a nice fit actually..
Can't see the LCD numbers and text.
Might be something to do with refresh rate of your screen?, or if you are viewing on a phone, it's going to be pretty small. This vid is ideal for a PC or TV
@@DaveCorbey I'm using phone video. I was just saying cause content too small.
Man you should explain what each item does, and not just put the figures and skip
Oh, no, this is just a prover video, there is a written review and MS sway documents viewable on phone and PC that explain everything. This is the main sway document and has links at the end to advanced settings, pro and maintenance tips. sway.office.com/YUuIpMmQlYAFkxIO?ref=Link
The functions are not very good explained.
I know, but I'm not a professional video maker...my videos are generally part of evidence based reviewing. In the review and extra documentation, you will find much better explanations. coffeeequipmentreviews.wordpress.com/2020/05/08/lelit-elizabeth/