I go for Elizabeth. It stops if it’s done and got a timer. And it heats up faster. Ain’t nobody got so much time in the morning while heading to work. Who cares about the looks of the machine or the portable filter? The coffee has to taste to good and the machine has to be practical. Over all, both of them are really expensive. In the end they don’t do Gold, they just extract coffee. 🙄🙈
I think this video convinced me to get the Elizabeth. I’m coming from a single boiler and don’t want to play the fun guessing game of my temperature. I just think the value of the LCC is superior to the build quality of Mara. Thank you for the video
Nice video, just one note: 2200W of Elisabeth is the peak Power - that means is not a disatvantage! it guarantees much faster heat recovery. The medium power consumtion is on the Elisabeth far smaller 50-70W. You can feel it on the top - cups are not so hot = less energy waste. Thats physic 😍
I bought an Elizabeth based on your opinion and reviews. I love it! The new pump is very quiet and you get a lot of value for the money. I’ve purchased much more expensive machines in the past that don’t last, this one will suit me well and has a three year warranty.
The MaraX uses a proprietary vibration pump that is lower noise... I still think they should all use more reliable rotary motors. The v3 elizabeth "should" have the same low noise vibration pump. Also the position can be changed by using a thicker gasket.. I would recommend switching from rubber to silicone gaskets, less prone to cracking, and more stable at higher temperatures than rubber. Also, pretty sure the single heat exchanger tank on the MaraX is 316 stainless steel, which is going to fight corrosion longer than brass.. also brass is made with lead in it.. so there's that too. I think you are correct that the V3 Elisabeth is a better machine, especially if you froth milk with your coffee. Would have been nice if they crammed a PID controller into the MaraX. I suppose we will just have to wait for a MaraY. :P Edit: I do think it is funny you have to mod the crap out of a brand new machine, you'd think they'd work with customers to get all those mods out of the gate.. like the IMS filter with nanocoated quartz for better dispersion...
How has it helped you? I'm trying to stay in budget (eyeing mara x) but I've considered saving money for another year for something with more control, I just don't want to wait another year or two for espresso lol
another excellent video. I am buying the Elizabeth based on your reviews and the fact I dont have counter space for a deep machine like the Mara X.. Can I suggest that you start wearing a lapel mic when making your videos so we can hear your commentary better? Keep up the great work. Thanks again
Thank you for the comparison. Even if the opinions on advantages and disadvantages many people will see differently. That's a good thing. I come from Germany and we always have to measure everything. A RUclips channel has determined 5 ° Celsius brewing temperature drop in his Mara X. (From 93° to 88°) It did not get better from espresso to espresso. Unfortunately, they have not measured. Maybe they just have more... Faith. :-) There are many good machines. But if you can spend your money only once, it's hard to find something very good for good money. But I already need a good year for a new car. There wein a few months of agony of choice for an espresso machine already ok. :-)
Interesting video though I think you did miss on the most important feature by far on the MaraX which sets it above every single other HX machine on the market, is it's dual PID system with brew priority that gives you in this mode a much better stability than any typical HX so then you are even closer to a DB with a PID display. It's not just the 3 temp settings which anyway should be enough for 90% users. Think of it as "Dark, Mid, Light Roast" setting. I highly doubt someone here can spot right away the difference between 95C and 94C for example. Nobody needs more than 2.5min of consecutive steaming at home so that's no issue there as well. Now I'll just need to know how to adjust the pump pressure as most units come from the factory way too high. Even the Bianca V3 I just received was at 10.5Bar which is just dumb. By the way is the LLC from the Elizabeth the same same one as the Bianca V3 or it has less feature cause it seems like it has less since the Bianca has more things than what you've named in the video. The MaraX still has a better mechanical pre-infusion than most vibration pump with their Olab pump so it doesn't matter all that much not to be able to set a much longer 10-15sec pre-infusion with the LLC, very few persons are gonna do it I'd bet. There's always the option of the paddle too later on, so still doable and prolly even better than an electronic version? Overall the main advantage of the Elizabeth is to see the actual exact number in real time if it's that necessary to feel comfortable mentally 😅 Still a good machine but I feel like many videos seems to show the Elizabeth as much better when I don't think it is, and I'm not saying this cause I think it looks ugly. I just pre-ordered a black edition of the MaraX for my GF for Christmas, can't wait to try it out even if it's not gonna beat the Bianca V3 that I just got for my mom, which honestly beats my R58 easily feature wise. I always laugh when people think 24min heat up time is the end of the world lol, the optimal perfect temperature stability on my Rocket is 45min lol.
Elizabeth is a cheaper version of Bianca. In bianca both boilers are stainless steel and having pressure profiling paddle is just a complete game changer. In other words Bianca is a much better build and better features if you have the money then by all means please get it. If you are not going to spend hours in the morning with your machine and prefer to press a button then Elizabeth is more than enough, also elizabeth probably easier to teach you spouse or partner how to use it. With a single button run and stop on its own.
Does shot profiling helps significantly in terms of espresso taste? as it can mimics the lever machine… what’s your thoughts on this? Asking this because MaraX allows mod for pedal on E61. Thanks and great video btw, keep it up!
Hi the answer is YES. Pressure profiling only available in super high end machine such as La marzocco GS3 MP, Rocket R one, or other high end commercial machine. In my opinion having a paddle helps you dial in any new coffee much easier, for example, when you grind too fine just hold it longer at low pressure (2-4 bar) then when you see few first drop move paddle slowly until 9 bar. In contrast, electronic pre infusion in Elizabeth you have to decide in advance how many seconds, so if your pre infusion ends too early or too late then you can change in the next shot. However paddle sometimes hard to get the exact same profile compare to electronic, this is where Bianca takes the lead, Bianca has both paddle and electronic pre infusion + low flow. You can do with paddle first then program the profile electronically in its LCC. In a busy cafe Bianca will have great Electronic pressure profiling that is 100% repeatable.
I make about 1-2 cappuccinos each day and I really love the look of the classic Mara X. However it seems like the Elizabeth is the better value machine for just a little extra. My question is...does all the added temperature control of the DB make much of a difference when I will be adding steamed milk to all of my drinks?? Thanks so much for the excellent vid
I think a more consistent espresso extraction will be beneficial for both milk drinks and Americano drinks. As the better the extraction the nicer the flavour of the shot. So a double boiler is way more beneficial for this reason.
I need help on deciding between marax and Elizabeth. For me now, the difference or me is one can do flow profiling (upgrade kit), while the other can do customised preinfusion. Based on your experience with both machines, can you tell me do you yield better espresso taste on the Mara X using flow profiling or the Elizabeth while playing around with blooming and preinfusion. I also don’t really understand by using the steam boiler to preinfuse, wouldn’t the temperature be too hot?
both machines with vibration pump has a nice slow pressure ramp up from 0 to 9 in about 8 seconds. Please bear in mind MaraX pressure paddle is about US$500. With wooden paddle you might want to upgrade wooden knob additional $120, and wood bottomless portafilter $100 So in total about $720? You can get a Bianca with rotary pump all wood accessories provided and most important is double boiler stainlees steel. Dialing in with a paddle is a lot easier, i almost never throw my first espresso from a new bag. Taste wise, i'm not exactly Jeff Hofman so really can't comment much on this
Like to ask is any company in Asia that sells the 7 gr. single espresso basket from VST/la marzocco the design is different than the usual basket and the right size tamper for it. Looking for a 14-16 gram basket from VST a well where can I find upgrades for the DF 64 grinder/? Would appreciate it if you give me some direction. Today I received the Lelit Elisabet and Ephrem (your distributor In Bali /Kawa )was very helpful already the second trial shoot Espresso was very good!
Man i just discovered your channel, i am an ex professional barista and now a home barista(for reasons) Your reviews are very good, you show things very interesting that others don't show Greetings from Greece
Hi i can't comment much because i have never used Profitec 300. However from the spec i can see it has PID but seem pretty limited where in Elizabeth so much you can do especially pre infusion. pro 300 has steam pressure gauge while in Elizabeth they only have coffeee brewing pressure gauge, which one is more important for you? hahaha...i personally think pump pressure gauge is more important for good extraction we don't want 11 bar of pressure. Steam pressure i can pro 300 about 1.2 bars in most video but more important is it able to sustain its pressure, some other brand loosing pressure and you won' be able to steam a second cappuccino. In Elizabeth rest assure its damn powerfull hahaha.... no manometer to prove but i can feel it for 145 degree it may go all the way to 2 bars. Pro 300 seem to have both stainless steel boiler, while Elizabeth using copper boiler for coffee brewing. Ulka pump in Pro300 is it a silent pump? for you to find out. Elizabeth silent vibration pump so quite. cheers
Hello Stefan I have also a brand new Elizabeth ! I set preinfusion time at 8 sec but in 5 seconds coffee has allready start to come into the glass. Do you know why is happening this ? Thanks a lot !
Hi pre-infusion actually control pump, so your pump stop working for 8 seconds then on again. However hot water will still pass through even though very low pressure. I suggest grind finer or add your dose
Btw, i don't think after 5 seconds few drops falling is necessarily and indication that something is wrong. If you ever visited % arabica, they pre infuse quite long and coffee drips along the process, then they push to max pump pressure.
Hi yes all MaraX comes with Silent Pump. Watch my comparison of MaraX and Elizabeth that is still using normal vibration pump, you will certainly appreciate the new pump
Checked on Lazada and Tokepedia but can't find the Tilted base and Dosing cup holder(adapter) for the DF 64 Grinder perhaps you have another source I can order?
Can the Elisabeth regulate the temperature for the water as well? Like for tea? I like the more manual approach of the marax but the little monitor with timing and precise temperature would be nice to have.
@@StefanusGoana I was also wondering. How many espresso in a row can you make with those two machines? Like if you have guest, let's say 4 espressi and 1 cappuccino, doable?
@@EugeneBuvard hi certainly depends on your recipe. If you use double spout portafilter and split it into 2 cups, that means you will only need abot 3 times brewing no problem at all.
How is the Elizabeth as far as making multiple milk based drinks for people. I entertain family alot. I was looking between this bdb & silvia pro x. Thanks
I'm planning to buy a MaraX machine but notice that it takes so long to steam milk. Have you tried to set the temperature to very hot and steam the milk? If yes, so how long does it take? I meant 200-250 ml of milk or so, just a right amount for 1 cup of latte. Thank in advance. Btw, I am really lean on your videos since they are so imformative
Hi long or fast maybe important if you open a cafe seriously. A strong or fast steaming may not guarantee good result. For HX machines 1.5 bar of pressure is already the best in class. As you mention 200-250ml milk i assume you will use a 500ml pitcher, so anything stronger than 1.5 bar pressure will blow your milk out of the pitcher. Plesse enjoy the process, you waited for 25 minutes warm up, spend some good time to make your coffee there is no need to rush at all
Update: Lelit just confirm that this Elizabeth doesn't equipped with silent pump so they will send me a new pump. But this is good as i get the chance to change its pump and to let you all know this EUR61 pump can also be installed in Other Lelit's machine
@@PacoRV i had the sound comparison inside. However according to Lelit mine is not silent pump, they are sending me a new silent pump. Will make video on how to fix new pump. If you want just about Elizabeth or MaraX i have them in seperate video
i'm actually in the progress of an upgrade now. i find your videos very useful. i really enjoyed your ranking system. it lets the viewers see which key features are important to them and keep their own scores. you mentioned a quieter pump, is this an aftermarket upgrade or something Lelit has improved in their latest version?
tks for the detailed review. enjoyed it. 1:23 you said Elizabeth won as the surface temperature of the group head is hotter for Elizabeth . But imho, this is not a fair comparison. As the group head is heated, it also dissipate heat, the Mara X group head, being the bigger one, will surely dissipate more heat. if you can measure the heat at the port filter, it will be the result we need, as no one brew coffee using the surface of the group head and both group head is not the same.
As I plan to buy the Elisabeth soon, I would like to ask if you have a qualified technician in Bali to check the Machine if needed? Or is it a part-time technician only? I do not want to be let's say after a few years down the road that NO technician is available and I have to wait for spare parts forever! Would appreciate your comment.
I bought it from online shop in china. You can try to find temperature strip, mine is super cheap because can only be used once. There are thermometer strip out there where you can use it multiple time or even forever but much more expensive
@@StefanusGoana Hi, I've decided to buy the Victoria. :) Your videos helped me. Can I ask you a question, please? Can I buy any (aftermarket) 58mm naked portafilter for my Lelit Victoria, or is it recommended to buy the Lelit branded one? If aftermarket is OK, which would you recommend, please?
@@mattbutterworth Hi Lelit portafilter definitely is the best, however if you would like to find others always check with seller is it compatible with lelit.
@@RedKiter if i'm not mistaken i bought it at Taobao a china's online shop. But i'm sure you can find it anywhere, try to search from temperature sticker
Hi thats easy, you should be able to do so by checking on its Vibration Pump. The new Elizabeth comes with less noise vibration pump. Please refer to my video, it is the same quite pump as they use in MaraX
Whats your view on the new Mara x vs the Victoria? Im not really too bothered about being able to pull a shot and steam at the same time but the rest is important. The only difference i see is: Marax - E61 group head, victor doesnt Marax - lets you do steam and shot at same time, victoria doesnt Mara x - has steel boiler, victoria has brass. The rest seems the same, right?
Hi MaraX has stainless steel boiler this is pretty impressive to be honest. Victoria on the other hand has LCC. Steam power absolutely MaraX is much better in my opinion. So if you an espresso person go for Victoria and you won't regret.
What a fantastic video ! No one has done a side by side comparison on these two machines - so it's great that you were brave enough to do it ! I think it is very difficult to give a final winner. Here in London the price difference is £200 I don't like the tiny brass boiler on the Elizabeth (not stainless steel) and the endless solenoid valves that will eventually need replacing. I do like the computerised LCC temperature adjustment and pre infusion control, fast heat up and general ease of use. Sooo much a better choice than a Breville / Sage dual boiler - but then you know how much I hate them ! The MaraX is just going to keep going on for years and years - It's built big, tough & heavy - you'll probably need to replace the Olab pump after 5 years but that really is about it. It is not nearly as quick and easy to use as an Elizabeth, you've got to do more work to get a cup of coffee out of it.....but then it has the classical & magical Faema E61 chrome group head with an iconic lever. For me, purely emotionally, there is an obvious winner... Thanks for making the video !
Hi! You pointed out very good differences here. I am about to buy an Elisabeth just for home purposes... but am unaware of the maintenance parts you likely will need to replace in the future as you mentioned... can you be more specific of your thoughts in terms of if this is very hard to do or other thoughts that might be worth knowing...? I really don’t want to buy a machine that won’t hold for a longer time. That would be a dealbreaker for me. but if we ask us the question “who is Mara for and who is Elisabeth for?” I really really don’t see anything that Mara does better than Elisabeth, either they are equally good or Elisabeth has the advantage of being flexible and stable with the dual boilers. From all that have tried both machines I have so far not heard anyone picking Mara over the other due to superior advantage in a certain features or quality in shots. However, the build quality is another fact... probably mara has the advantage there with a solid ss boiler instead of brass. Also it is very sophisticated with dual PID and much more. So is the answer that for those who want a good solid machine that is built like a tank that will live for decades and will provide good coffee without a mess/ fuss .... then they should pick Mara They can also experiment with flow control in the future... And for those who want better flexibility in terms of temperature stability change of temperature, stability of steam and more back to back lattes/cappuccinos espressos , faster starting time and easier maintenance should pick Elisabeth? 😂😂 omg! Sorry for babbling on I have gone totally mad in this subject and should just buy the damn thing 😂 I am really no pro but read all kinds of crazy arguments on RUclips that have no real fact where the real arguments lie
@@AzizIzgin Dont know if you bought already but what made me choose MaraX before Elisabeth is that you can add a flow control to the MaraX. Dont know if that is important to you but it was a big argument for me.
@@scider2 thanks for your comment. I’ve had it now for around 1,5 months and I absolutely love it. Could not be happier 🥰 I uploaded a couple of “newbie » videos regarding my progress. I am a happy Lelit owner:) One issue I’ve had is it is starting to sound strange when the bar is between 4-6 bar … don’t know what it is but sounds like it only happens when I go extra fine in the grinder … but it doesn’t happen when I back flush. How often do you back flush with detergent?
@@AzizIzgin Did you buy the MaraX? Ive only had mine for about five weeks now but think I do the back flush with detergent little more often than once a week. I also pick off the shower screen and clean it manually.
Have you made a comparison of the difference in taste of espresso shot only when being able to have longer pre infusion with Elizabeth? I wonder how much more of flavor / nuances of the coffee one get if your able to set the pre infusion longer than on Mara...? How long does it normally take for the first drop with medium roast beans on Mara with pretty fine grinding? Maybe impossible to answer exact time but just so I get an idea. Cause I’ve seen a lot of Elizabeth videos with pre infusion already:). Can one extend the pre infusion in Mara in some way? When comparing I believe this feature is one of the better features of Elizabeth to be able to experiment.... the ability to set exact temperature is good but for me I don’t se me doing that all the time in real life. I think I’ll like it in the beginning but leave it at 94 all the time.
Preinfusion able to help you extra better with finer grind setting. If you like pre infusion and the look of MaraX then get MaraX and fix a paddle just like in Bianca. MaraX can't really do proper preinfusion with low pressure
@@AzizIzgin ofcourse its working on the same principle and infact with paddle it could be better as Elizabeth has constant pressure while with paddle you can have many combination of pressure profiling. You just gotta stretch your budget a little more 😁
I ordered the MaraX because I read that it would not required fiddling with temperature or temperature surfing :( But now I'm unsure whether that was a good idea. Steps 1 and 2 always seem to be too hot regardless of which review I see!
Are you thinking of having 2 poetafilter to take turn? It has big boiler so for brewing 50ml back to back i don't see any problem, however if you can give it a few seconds would be great
Great video, thank you very much. I'm new to world of espresso. Read a lot of reviews and so on.. Can't decide between these two machines. We mainly drink cappuccino. Maybe the Elisabeth would be easier to use - also for my wife. But what if we have guests and we want to make 6-8 cappuccino back to back. Could they both do it?
Hi if you want to send it back change with Bianca then go ahead hahaha... bu if you only worry about the temperature please don't. In my real daily life it is not fixed at 0 setting which is the lowest and happy with it.
@@StefanusGoana No, it's not only the temperature. You also showed the flow paddle and that it is missbehaving on the marax. So if i had to count i would have to order the following things: Flow Padle Kid - 260$ Manometer - 80$ Portafilter Wooden Bottomless - 80$ That's 420 $ In total. I got my MaraX for 1100$ while i can get the bianca for 2000$ 2000 - 1100 - 420 = 480$ surcharge to get just the Bianca. Those 480$ will give me a 1. Dual Boiler 2. Preinfusion 3. Stronger/Better steam 4. Bigger Water Tank 5. better flow valve 6. Full Wooden look 7. Both Portafilters will be made by walnut not just 1 since the Bianca comes with two portafilters 8. PID 9..Faster startup? 10. No switching required (steam/coffe-mode) 11. This legendary chrome alike mirroring design which should look legendary with the wooden kit Seems like it's worth it, no?
@@kostasMC Yes certainly if you have the budget go directly to Bianca. Bianca is dual boiler machine, so you can never upgrade MaraX to be comed dual boiler
@@kostasMC if you can afford ofcourse there are many others that is good such as KEY which is on pre order now, Lagom P64, EG-1? hahaha look for those super mega single dosing grinder you won't be wrong
I used different basket in both machine but with the same grind setting (without pre-dialing) MaraX was using VST and seem like VST can handle finer grind
Yes certainly, but a smart plug. You can then connect with your handphone and schedule auto wake up even more than once. I set mine at 7am, 1pm and 5pm hahaha
@@PanosKapros Hi provided basket ok, when i make this video i ust thought wanna compare VST and IMS basket at the same time. So in my opinion the expensive VST is better but kinda too snug inside the grouphead of Elizabeth. Coffee leveler i no longer use it as i prefer coffee distributor. You can check ace homebarista website
I bought it on Ebay couple of years ago. If you want we are selling slightly different thermometer if you want. Can head down to our website ace-homebarista.com
I have reciently learned som new stuff which leads me to think -" why do manufacturers even put the wand for water despensing (if the water is too hot for some beverages)? Tea for the late hours: Yes both Mara X and Elizabeth have this water outlet , but note that water on DB would be “fresher” and better tasting. On both machines hot water comes from steam boiler but on the HX this water comes from a larger quantity that's always boiling and has a “flat” taste, tea would express more floral/complexe notes with freshly heated water and on smaller boilers from DB steam boiler gets replenished with fresh water more often. So if this true, how hot is too hot for example an americano? If we say that tea would need cooler water and more refreshed is it the same for an americano?
Hi Iziz, a very good point of view about water freshness. For this problem basically even conventional double boiler we need to purge it once in awhile for fresh water to circulate. In Elizabeth though a little special it combine fresh water and hot water from boiler to create perfect temperature. Coffee is probably only 2% of the whole cup we drink, 98% is water, so no matter what water has huge impact on our coffee taste. The question now is how significant? your tongue and mine is different, so far i don't really taste much different to be honest, however it is good to know that your drinks is at the right temperature.
@@AzizIzgin certainly, even though i can't taste much different but i can feel something is wrong when drawing water from MaraX hahaha.... water splashing as well. Anyway i don't really drink Americano or tea. I only use steam wand in MaraX for milk steaming
Hi Mr Stefanus, I like and follow your videos. The correct name and pronounce of the machine is Mara and separately you should pronounce the X, just Mara and then x.
@@StefanusGoana May be the marketing departement didn´t tell Mauro how to pronounce it correctly. In the newest company videos he has already learned. ;-)
the elizabeth is quite ugly tho ngl and the youtube channel "lelit insider" showed already the elizabeths pid is not correct. while having the pid on 92 degress C the preinfusion startet at 89C and even on the extraction the temperatur was barely at 91degrees C. in order to make the elizabeth afordable they probably had to cut corners on build quality and electronics.
I go for Elizabeth. It stops if it’s done and got a timer. And it heats up faster. Ain’t nobody got so much time in the morning while heading to work. Who cares about the looks of the machine or the portable filter? The coffee has to taste to good and the machine has to be practical. Over all, both of them are really expensive. In the end they don’t do Gold, they just extract coffee. 🙄🙈
Fully agree
I think this video convinced me to get the Elizabeth. I’m coming from a single boiler and don’t want to play the fun guessing game of my temperature. I just think the value of the LCC is superior to the build quality of Mara. Thank you for the video
I am siding that way too, although the Profitec series has alot of pid controller espresso machines too.
That water tank on the Elizabeth seems really annoying. They should have used the same design as the marax!
Probably one of the best comparison videos I’ve seen for a long time. Very thorough, keep up the good work, very good video.
Nice video, just one note: 2200W of Elisabeth is the peak Power - that means is not a disatvantage! it guarantees much faster heat recovery. The medium power consumtion is on the Elisabeth far smaller 50-70W. You can feel it on the top - cups are not so hot = less energy waste. Thats physic 😍
Wow thank you so much for the enlightenment.
I bought an Elizabeth based on your opinion and reviews. I love it! The new pump is very quiet and you get a lot of value for the money. I’ve purchased much more expensive machines in the past that don’t last, this one will suit me well and has a three year warranty.
May I know which country you are in? 3 years'a a whole lot of warranty.
What machines you had before?
The MaraX uses a proprietary vibration pump that is lower noise... I still think they should all use more reliable rotary motors. The v3 elizabeth "should" have the same low noise vibration pump. Also the position can be changed by using a thicker gasket.. I would recommend switching from rubber to silicone gaskets, less prone to cracking, and more stable at higher temperatures than rubber. Also, pretty sure the single heat exchanger tank on the MaraX is 316 stainless steel, which is going to fight corrosion longer than brass.. also brass is made with lead in it.. so there's that too.
I think you are correct that the V3 Elisabeth is a better machine, especially if you froth milk with your coffee. Would have been nice if they crammed a PID controller into the MaraX. I suppose we will just have to wait for a MaraY. :P
Edit: I do think it is funny you have to mod the crap out of a brand new machine, you'd think they'd work with customers to get all those mods out of the gate.. like the IMS filter with nanocoated quartz for better dispersion...
I prefer Elizabeth just for one reason, Time blowing.
I'd go with the mara x just because the Elizabeth has that boxy single boiler look from the Silvia and gaggia. Just doesn't feel as pro consumer.
Sorry Elisabet has two boiler always better for temperature control HX is a compromise
Dont care about that Botton line ease to use a machine and have good Espresso and heat up time is shorter
I bought the Bianca recently and now can’t imagine having a machine without pressure profiling.
Great video by the way, very thorough, very clear and easy to follow.
How has it helped you? I'm trying to stay in budget (eyeing mara x) but I've considered saving money for another year for something with more control, I just don't want to wait another year or two for espresso lol
Machines that use switches to pour shots are against the Geneva convention ha ha
Hahaha... maybe one day
another excellent video. I am buying the Elizabeth based on your reviews and the fact I dont have counter space for a deep machine like the Mara X.. Can I suggest that you start wearing a lapel mic when making your videos so we can hear your commentary better? Keep up the great work. Thanks again
Yes working on the equipment. Thanks for the advice
Thank you for the comparison. Even if the opinions on advantages and disadvantages many people will see differently. That's a good thing.
I come from Germany and we always have to measure everything. A RUclips channel has determined 5 ° Celsius brewing temperature drop in his Mara X. (From 93° to 88°) It did not get better from espresso to espresso.
Unfortunately, they have not measured. Maybe they just have more... Faith. :-)
There are many good machines. But if you can spend your money only once, it's hard to find something very good for good money.
But I already need a good year for a new car. There wein a few months of agony of choice for an espresso machine already ok. :-)
Interesting video though I think you did miss on the most important feature by far on the MaraX which sets it above every single other HX machine on the market, is it's dual PID system with brew priority that gives you in this mode a much better stability than any typical HX so then you are even closer to a DB with a PID display. It's not just the 3 temp settings which anyway should be enough for 90% users. Think of it as "Dark, Mid, Light Roast" setting. I highly doubt someone here can spot right away the difference between 95C and 94C for example.
Nobody needs more than 2.5min of consecutive steaming at home so that's no issue there as well. Now I'll just need to know how to adjust the pump pressure as most units come from the factory way too high. Even the Bianca V3 I just received was at 10.5Bar which is just dumb.
By the way is the LLC from the Elizabeth the same same one as the Bianca V3 or it has less feature cause it seems like it has less since the Bianca has more things than what you've named in the video.
The MaraX still has a better mechanical pre-infusion than most vibration pump with their Olab pump so it doesn't matter all that much not to be able to set a much longer 10-15sec pre-infusion with the LLC, very few persons are gonna do it I'd bet. There's always the option of the paddle too later on, so still doable and prolly even better than an electronic version? Overall the main advantage of the Elizabeth is to see the actual exact number in real time if it's that necessary to feel comfortable mentally 😅
Still a good machine but I feel like many videos seems to show the Elizabeth as much better when I don't think it is, and I'm not saying this cause I think it looks ugly.
I just pre-ordered a black edition of the MaraX for my GF for Christmas, can't wait to try it out even if it's not gonna beat the Bianca V3 that I just got for my mom, which honestly beats my R58 easily feature wise. I always laugh when people think 24min heat up time is the end of the world lol, the optimal perfect temperature stability on my Rocket is 45min lol.
Double Boiler is better more stable temperature one reason they exist
How would you compare the Elizabeth to the Bianca?
Elizabeth is a cheaper version of Bianca. In bianca both boilers are stainless steel and having pressure profiling paddle is just a complete game changer.
In other words Bianca is a much better build and better features if you have the money then by all means please get it.
If you are not going to spend hours in the morning with your machine and prefer to press a button then Elizabeth is more than enough, also elizabeth probably easier to teach you spouse or partner how to use it. With a single button run and stop on its own.
Does shot profiling helps significantly in terms of espresso taste? as it can mimics the lever machine… what’s your thoughts on this? Asking this because MaraX allows mod for pedal on E61. Thanks and great video btw, keep it up!
Hi the answer is YES. Pressure profiling only available in super high end machine such as La marzocco GS3 MP, Rocket R one, or other high end commercial machine. In my opinion having a paddle helps you dial in any new coffee much easier, for example, when you grind too fine just hold it longer at low pressure (2-4 bar) then when you see few first drop move paddle slowly until 9 bar. In contrast, electronic pre infusion in Elizabeth you have to decide in advance how many seconds, so if your pre infusion ends too early or too late then you can change in the next shot.
However paddle sometimes hard to get the exact same profile compare to electronic, this is where Bianca takes the lead, Bianca has both paddle and electronic pre infusion + low flow. You can do with paddle first then program the profile electronically in its LCC. In a busy cafe Bianca will have great Electronic pressure profiling that is 100% repeatable.
I make about 1-2 cappuccinos each day and I really love the look of the classic Mara X. However it seems like the Elizabeth is the better value machine for just a little extra. My question is...does all the added temperature control of the DB make much of a difference when I will be adding steamed milk to all of my drinks?? Thanks so much for the excellent vid
I think a more consistent espresso extraction will be beneficial for both milk drinks and Americano drinks. As the better the extraction the nicer the flavour of the shot. So a double boiler is way more beneficial for this reason.
Not at all
The Mara looks more exciting, but the Elizabeth has the more modern concept for me.
soooo true unfortunately, I want the Mara but with Elizabeths functionality !!!!
I need help on deciding between marax and Elizabeth. For me now, the difference or me is one can do flow profiling (upgrade kit), while the other can do customised preinfusion. Based on your experience with both machines, can you tell me do you yield better espresso taste on the Mara X using flow profiling or the Elizabeth while playing around with blooming and preinfusion. I also don’t really understand by using the steam boiler to preinfuse, wouldn’t the temperature be too hot?
both machines with vibration pump has a nice slow pressure ramp up from 0 to 9 in about 8 seconds.
Please bear in mind MaraX pressure paddle is about US$500.
With wooden paddle you might want to upgrade wooden knob additional $120, and wood bottomless portafilter $100
So in total about $720?
You can get a Bianca with rotary pump all wood accessories provided and most important is double boiler stainlees steel.
Dialing in with a paddle is a lot easier, i almost never throw my first espresso from a new bag.
Taste wise, i'm not exactly Jeff Hofman so really can't comment much on this
Thanks a lot for this video :)
Like to ask is any company in Asia that sells the 7 gr. single espresso basket from VST/la marzocco the design is different than the usual basket and the right size tamper for it. Looking for a 14-16 gram basket from VST a well where can I
find upgrades for the DF 64 grinder/? Would appreciate it if you give me some direction. Today I received the Lelit Elisabet and Ephrem (your distributor In Bali /Kawa )was very helpful already the second trial shoot Espresso was very good!
Man i just discovered your channel, i am an ex professional barista and now a home barista(for reasons)
Your reviews are very good, you show things very interesting that others don't show
Greetings from Greece
Thank you for your kind words, makes me wanna do more videos 😎
@@StefanusGoana You better do!!! 😂
I also love Indonesian coffee, Sumatra and Sulawesi, are my favorite
Great video, how would you compare the Elisabeth to Profitec pro 300?
Hi i can't comment much because i have never used Profitec 300.
However from the spec i can see it has PID but seem pretty limited where in Elizabeth so much you can do especially pre infusion.
pro 300 has steam pressure gauge while in Elizabeth they only have coffeee brewing pressure gauge, which one is more important for you? hahaha...i personally think pump pressure gauge is more important for good extraction we don't want 11 bar of pressure.
Steam pressure i can pro 300 about 1.2 bars in most video but more important is it able to sustain its pressure, some other brand loosing pressure and you won' be able to steam a second cappuccino.
In Elizabeth rest assure its damn powerfull hahaha.... no manometer to prove but i can feel it for 145 degree it may go all the way to 2 bars.
Pro 300 seem to have both stainless steel boiler, while Elizabeth using copper boiler for coffee brewing.
Ulka pump in Pro300 is it a silent pump? for you to find out.
Elizabeth silent vibration pump so quite. cheers
Merci pour cette vidéo, j’hésite justement entre ces 2 machines.
Hello Stefan
I have also a brand new Elizabeth ! I set preinfusion time at 8 sec but in 5 seconds coffee has allready start to come into the glass.
Do you know why is happening this ? Thanks a lot !
Hi pre-infusion actually control pump, so your pump stop working for 8 seconds then on again. However hot water will still pass through even though very low pressure.
I suggest grind finer or add your dose
Btw, i don't think after 5 seconds few drops falling is necessarily and indication that something is wrong. If you ever visited % arabica, they pre infuse quite long and coffee drips along the process, then they push to max pump pressure.
@@StefanusGoana Thanks a lot Stefan ! really thanks for your answer !
Your grinds might be too course
I've heard that MaraX has another neu deveoped pump-system to be more silent! But this is also a bit slower...
Hi yes all MaraX comes with Silent Pump. Watch my comparison of MaraX and Elizabeth that is still using normal vibration pump, you will certainly appreciate the new pump
Checked on Lazada and Tokepedia but can't find the Tilted base and Dosing cup holder(adapter) for the DF 64 Grinder perhaps you have another source I can order?
Sorry i have no idea
Can the Elisabeth regulate the temperature for the water as well? Like for tea?
I like the more manual approach of the marax but the little monitor with timing and precise temperature would be nice to have.
Hi yes this is the perfect hot water for tea. Anything comes out of the hot water tap is a mixed water to produce the right temperature water
@@StefanusGoana I was also wondering. How many espresso in a row can you make with those two machines? Like if you have guest, let's say 4 espressi and 1 cappuccino, doable?
@@EugeneBuvard hi certainly depends on your recipe. If you use double spout portafilter and split it into 2 cups, that means you will only need abot 3 times brewing no problem at all.
@@StefanusGoana in the meantime I watched your 4 cappuccino video :) all I wanted to know is there. You have a very nice setup btw!
How is the Elizabeth as far as making multiple milk based drinks for people. I entertain family alot. I was looking between this bdb & silvia pro x. Thanks
Hi you can easily change to 4 holes steam tip, i'm pretty sure you will be happy
Super useful video! Thanks sir
I'm planning to buy a MaraX machine but notice that it takes so long to steam milk. Have you tried to set the temperature to very hot and steam the milk? If yes, so how long does it take? I meant 200-250 ml of milk or so, just a right amount for 1 cup of latte.
Thank in advance.
Btw, I am really lean on your videos since they are so imformative
Hi long or fast maybe important if you open a cafe seriously. A strong or fast steaming may not guarantee good result. For HX machines 1.5 bar of pressure is already the best in class.
As you mention 200-250ml milk i assume you will use a 500ml pitcher, so anything stronger than 1.5 bar pressure will blow your milk out of the pitcher.
Plesse enjoy the process, you waited for 25 minutes warm up, spend some good time to make your coffee there is no need to rush at all
Update: Lelit just confirm that this Elizabeth doesn't equipped with silent pump so they will send me a new pump.
But this is good as i get the chance to change its pump and to let you all know this EUR61 pump can also be installed in Other Lelit's machine
Very interesting! Are you making a video on the installation and sounds comparisson?
@@PacoRV i had the sound comparison inside. However according to Lelit mine is not silent pump, they are sending me a new silent pump. Will make video on how to fix new pump.
If you want just about Elizabeth or MaraX i have them in seperate video
@@StefanusGoana Have you got this pump yet, would love to see the difference! Cheers buddy great channel!
@@DJMambomagic i ust realise that i actually have a silent pump in my warehouse for warranty purpose. I will fix it when i'm free
i'm actually in the progress of an upgrade now. i find your videos very useful. i really enjoyed your ranking system. it lets the viewers see which key features are important to them and keep their own scores. you mentioned a quieter pump, is this an aftermarket upgrade or something Lelit has improved in their latest version?
Silent pump is in MaraX and new Elizabeth aince 2019
tks for the detailed review. enjoyed it. 1:23 you said Elizabeth won as the surface temperature of the group head is hotter for Elizabeth . But imho, this is not a fair comparison. As the group head is heated, it also dissipate heat, the Mara X group head, being the bigger one, will surely dissipate more heat. if you can measure the heat at the port filter, it will be the result we need, as no one brew coffee using the surface of the group head and both group head is not the same.
Yes true, but i portafilter in Elizabeth alot hotter as well
Nice video, i was sure to get Elizabeth, but the water tank is from the stone age
As I plan to buy the Elisabeth soon, I would like to ask if you have a qualified technician in Bali to check the Machine if needed? Or is it a part-time technician only? I do not want to be let's say after a few years down the road that NO technician is available and I have to wait for spare parts forever! Would appreciate your comment.
Hi Ephrem should be able to help you not too worry
One more question does the Elisabeth has now thesielent pump same as Marax
Please tell me where I can buy those temperature senser sticker? Thanks.
I bought it from online shop in china. You can try to find temperature strip, mine is super cheap because can only be used once.
There are thermometer strip out there where you can use it multiple time or even forever but much more expensive
Just the comparison I was looking for! Brilliantly presented too. Thank you from the UK. 👌 I'm subscribing to your channel.
Thank You
@@StefanusGoana Hi, I've decided to buy the Victoria. :) Your videos helped me. Can I ask you a question, please? Can I buy any (aftermarket) 58mm naked portafilter for my Lelit Victoria, or is it recommended to buy the Lelit branded one? If aftermarket is OK, which would you recommend, please?
@@mattbutterworth Hi Lelit portafilter definitely is the best, however if you would like to find others always check with seller is it compatible with lelit.
@@StefanusGoana Thank you, I will do. Best wishes.
Thanks for showing these together at the same time. It helps show size is very different.
Hello again. Where can I find the temperature labels?
I bought it online. It is a simple temperature sticker for equipment. It is not specifically for coffee naker
@@StefanusGoana but what website please. I trying to find it but not lucky for me...
@@RedKiter if i'm not mistaken i bought it at Taobao a china's online shop. But i'm sure you can find it anywhere, try to search from temperature sticker
How can I tell if my Elizabeth is a version 3?
Hi thats easy, you should be able to do so by checking on its Vibration Pump. The new Elizabeth comes with less noise vibration pump. Please refer to my video, it is the same quite pump as they use in MaraX
Whats your view on the new Mara x vs the Victoria? Im not really too bothered about being able to pull a shot and steam at the same time but the rest is important. The only difference i see is:
Marax - E61 group head, victor doesnt
Marax - lets you do steam and shot at same time, victoria doesnt
Mara x - has steel boiler, victoria has brass.
The rest seems the same, right?
Hi MaraX has stainless steel boiler this is pretty impressive to be honest.
Victoria on the other hand has LCC.
Steam power absolutely MaraX is much better in my opinion.
So if you an espresso person go for Victoria and you won't regret.
Where can I get those temperature stickers?
Temperature strip from online shop in china taobao
What a fantastic video !
No one has done a side by side comparison on these two machines - so it's great that you were brave enough to do it !
I think it is very difficult to give a final winner. Here in London the price difference is £200
I don't like the tiny brass boiler on the Elizabeth (not stainless steel) and the endless solenoid valves that will eventually need replacing.
I do like the computerised LCC temperature adjustment and pre infusion control, fast heat up and general ease of use.
Sooo much a better choice than a Breville / Sage dual boiler - but then you know how much I hate them !
The MaraX is just going to keep going on for years and years - It's built big, tough & heavy - you'll probably need to replace the Olab pump after 5 years but that really is about it.
It is not nearly as quick and easy to use as an Elizabeth, you've got to do more work to get a cup of coffee out of it.....but then it has the classical & magical Faema E61 chrome group head with an iconic lever.
For me, purely emotionally, there is an obvious winner...
Thanks for making the video !
Hi! You pointed out very good differences here. I am about to buy an Elisabeth just for home purposes... but am unaware of the maintenance parts you likely will need to replace in the future as you mentioned... can you be more specific of your thoughts in terms of if this is very hard to do or other thoughts that might be worth knowing...?
I really don’t want to buy a machine that won’t hold for a longer time. That would be a dealbreaker for me.
but if we ask us the question “who is Mara for and who is Elisabeth for?”
I really really don’t see anything that Mara does better than Elisabeth, either they are equally good or Elisabeth has the advantage of being flexible and stable with the dual boilers.
From all that have tried both machines I have so far not heard anyone picking Mara over the other due to superior advantage in a certain features or quality in shots.
However, the build quality is another fact... probably mara has the advantage there with a solid ss boiler instead of brass. Also it is very sophisticated with dual PID and much more.
So is the answer that for those who want a good solid machine that is built like a tank that will live for decades and will provide good coffee without a mess/ fuss .... then they should pick Mara
They can also experiment with flow control in the future...
And for those who want better flexibility in terms of temperature stability change of temperature, stability of steam and more back to back lattes/cappuccinos espressos , faster starting time and easier maintenance should pick Elisabeth?
😂😂 omg! Sorry for babbling on
I have gone totally mad in this subject and should just buy the damn thing 😂
I am really no pro but read all kinds of crazy arguments on RUclips that have no real fact where the real arguments lie
@@AzizIzgin Dont know if you bought already but what made me choose MaraX before Elisabeth is that you can add a flow control to the MaraX. Dont know if that is important to you but it was a big argument for me.
@@scider2 thanks for your comment.
I’ve had it now for around 1,5 months and I absolutely love it. Could not be happier 🥰
I uploaded a couple of “newbie » videos regarding my progress.
I am a happy Lelit owner:)
One issue I’ve had is it is starting to sound strange when the bar is between 4-6 bar … don’t know what it is but sounds like it only happens when I go extra fine in the grinder … but it doesn’t happen when I back flush.
How often do you back flush with detergent?
@@AzizIzgin Did you buy the MaraX? Ive only had mine for about five weeks now but think I do the back flush with detergent little more often than once a week. I also pick off the shower screen and clean it manually.
@@scider2 yes, I bought the beautiful Mara X , I also bought the 20gr vst basket… and a bottomless pf.
Perfect. Thanks. Very helpful!
Have you made a comparison of the difference in taste of espresso shot only when being able to have longer pre infusion with Elizabeth? I wonder how much more of flavor / nuances of the coffee one get if your able to set the pre infusion longer than on Mara...?
How long does it normally take for the first drop with medium roast beans on Mara with pretty fine grinding?
Maybe impossible to answer exact time but just so I get an idea. Cause I’ve seen a lot of Elizabeth videos with pre infusion already:). Can one extend the pre infusion in Mara in some way?
When comparing I believe this feature is one of the better features of Elizabeth to be able to experiment.... the ability to set exact temperature is good but for me I don’t se me doing that all the time in real life. I think I’ll like it in the beginning but leave it at 94 all the time.
Preinfusion able to help you extra better with finer grind setting.
If you like pre infusion and the look of MaraX then get MaraX and fix a paddle just like in Bianca. MaraX can't really do proper preinfusion with low pressure
@@StefanusGoana So taste-wise with the peddle it would be comparable?
@@AzizIzgin ofcourse its working on the same principle and infact with paddle it could be better as Elizabeth has constant pressure while with paddle you can have many combination of pressure profiling.
You just gotta stretch your budget a little more 😁
10:58, do you discuss this in another video?
not yet haha... still busy with other things
question regarding the pre infusion on Mara, can one lift the lever half way to extend the the time of pre infusion manually?
This is just wetting the puck without any soft pressure, it is not exactly the best but i recall mauro just made a video about it
@@StefanusGoana who is Mauro :)?
@@AzizIzgin look for a youtube channel: Lelit insider. Mauro is the owner of Lelit
I ordered the MaraX because I read that it would not required fiddling with temperature or temperature surfing :( But now I'm unsure whether that was a good idea. Steps 1 and 2 always seem to be too hot regardless of which review I see!
Have you seen James Hoffman review?
@@StefanusGoana hm, this is odd. He seems to be reporting way lower temperatures than everyone else.
@@litbmeinnick need to make sure how others record their temperature
which basket do you suggest using with Elizabeth? Is there a real improve in shots compared to the default basket?
i use lelit's double basket, its good enough
@@StefanusGoana ok, the standard one. Thanks. I own a Victoria, which is a single boiler Elizabeth. Very happy with it
@@plupluplutus i had that too
Perfect video. 👏🏻
Hi.. Its mara x can brew back to back without drop the temperature..
Are you thinking of having 2 poetafilter to take turn?
It has big boiler so for brewing 50ml back to back i don't see any problem, however if you can give it a few seconds would be great
@@StefanusGoana its mara x suitable for small business cafe..
Great video, thank you very much.
I'm new to world of espresso. Read a lot of reviews and so on.. Can't decide between these two machines. We mainly drink cappuccino.
Maybe the Elisabeth would be easier to use - also for my wife. But what if we have guests and we want to make 6-8 cappuccino back to back. Could they both do it?
Any difference in quality of internal parts? MaraX is small yet a lot heavier.
I think the one that makes it heavier is the bigger boiler and E61 grouphead. The rest just the same, but Elizabeth has LCC thats all
MaraX is on their higher end list on their official website compared to the elizabeth.
@@StefanusGoana and they use stainless steel boiler adds alot of weight to it
@@fikofikret1522 Yes in Elizabeth also use Stainless steel service boiler
@@StefanusGoana are both boilers in elizabeth stainless steel?
Thank you so much ❤️
Great videos.
Can Elizabeth portafilter fit in maraX ?
Yes 👌
I wonder if i should send my marax back. Will the 3 mode temperatures be a problem in the future?
Hi if you want to send it back change with Bianca then go ahead hahaha... bu if you only worry about the temperature please don't. In my real daily life it is not fixed at 0 setting which is the lowest and happy with it.
@@StefanusGoana
No, it's not only the temperature. You also showed the flow paddle and that it is missbehaving on the marax.
So if i had to count i would have to order the following things:
Flow Padle Kid - 260$
Manometer - 80$
Portafilter Wooden Bottomless - 80$
That's 420 $ In total. I got my MaraX for 1100$ while i can get the bianca for 2000$
2000 - 1100 - 420 = 480$ surcharge to get just the Bianca.
Those 480$ will give me a
1. Dual Boiler
2. Preinfusion
3. Stronger/Better steam
4. Bigger Water Tank
5. better flow valve
6. Full Wooden look
7. Both Portafilters will be made by walnut not just 1 since the Bianca comes with two portafilters
8. PID
9..Faster startup?
10. No switching required (steam/coffe-mode)
11. This legendary chrome alike mirroring design which should look legendary with the wooden kit
Seems like it's worth it, no?
@@kostasMC Yes certainly if you have the budget go directly to Bianca. Bianca is dual boiler machine, so you can never upgrade MaraX to be comed dual boiler
@@StefanusGoana Hey, i see u use the Lelit Grinder as well. Is it worth buying or should i look for something better which also matches the Bianca?
@@kostasMC if you can afford ofcourse there are many others that is good such as KEY which is on pre order now, Lagom P64, EG-1? hahaha look for those super mega single dosing grinder you won't be wrong
That crema on MaraX tho.
I used different basket in both machine but with the same grind setting (without pre-dialing) MaraX was using VST and seem like VST can handle finer grind
Really nice comparison. What’s your opinion about Rancilio Silvia and Sage/Breville DB?
To be honest i have never used them. Seeing the reviews about the features and price, i think Elizabeth is better
@@StefanusGoana Just ordered Elizabeth. Is there a way to auto wake it up every morning?
Yes certainly, but a smart plug. You can then connect with your handphone and schedule auto wake up even more than once. I set mine at 7am, 1pm and 5pm hahaha
Are the provided baskets ok? Why do you change them? Which baskets do you propose? Which leveler / tamper?
@@PanosKapros Hi provided basket ok, when i make this video i ust thought wanna compare VST and IMS basket at the same time. So in my opinion the expensive VST is better but kinda too snug inside the grouphead of Elizabeth.
Coffee leveler i no longer use it as i prefer coffee distributor. You can check ace homebarista website
What's the price point difference for the two in Singapore
Only $100 different i guess
@@StefanusGoana wow, I thought it would be greater. Thanks. Great channel
@@davetong feel free to visit our website to discover more and chat with our staff
In europe the mara x is like same price range with the elizabeth.
where did you buy the thermometer ?
I bought it on Ebay couple of years ago. If you want we are selling slightly different thermometer if you want. Can head down to our website ace-homebarista.com
@@StefanusGoana could you show me?
@@ziomals19 i can't remember the link it was quite awhile ago. However i will make a video on how to fix my thermometer into this machine
I have reciently learned som new stuff which leads me to think -" why do manufacturers even put the wand for water despensing (if the water is too hot for some beverages)?
Tea for the late hours:
Yes both Mara X and Elizabeth have this water outlet , but note that water on DB would be “fresher” and better tasting. On both machines hot water comes from steam boiler but on the HX this water comes from a larger quantity that's always boiling and has a “flat” taste, tea would express more floral/complexe notes with freshly heated water and on smaller boilers from DB steam boiler gets replenished with fresh water more often.
So if this true, how hot is too hot for example an americano? If we say that tea would need cooler water and more refreshed is it the same for an americano?
like 93 -96degrees?
Again, is the ability do draw water more for rinsing a pf or jug etc? Just curious :). In this case E has the edge.
Hi Iziz, a very good point of view about water freshness. For this problem basically even conventional double boiler we need to purge it once in awhile for fresh water to circulate.
In Elizabeth though a little special it combine fresh water and hot water from boiler to create perfect temperature.
Coffee is probably only 2% of the whole cup we drink, 98% is water, so no matter what water has huge impact on our coffee taste. The question now is how significant? your tongue and mine is different, so far i don't really taste much different to be honest, however it is good to know that your drinks is at the right temperature.
@@StefanusGoana you are right about us people , we have different taste :), have you tried drawing water from both for americano or tea?
@@AzizIzgin certainly, even though i can't taste much different but i can feel something is wrong when drawing water from MaraX hahaha.... water splashing as well.
Anyway i don't really drink Americano or tea. I only use steam wand in MaraX for milk steaming
One important reason for the water wand - descaling.
Hi Mr Stefanus, I like and follow your videos. The correct name and pronounce of the machine is Mara and separately you should pronounce the X, just Mara and then x.
I am basically following how Mauro pronounce it
@@StefanusGoana Exactly, I used to think that it was pronounced as two separate words until I heard the inventor at Lelit Mauro pronounce it !
@@StefanusGoana May be the marketing departement didn´t tell Mauro how to pronounce it correctly. In the newest company videos he has already learned. ;-)
In Mara x the steam is dry as elizabeth ? Thank you
Hi Yes they are the same dry, but elizabeth is more powerful
@@StefanusGoana for a 750 ml Jug so about 400 ml milk to steam is ok Mara x?
@@albertofacca7961 its ok but gotta wait longer
I hate the way you call it Marax, it's Mara X ffs
the elizabeth is quite ugly tho ngl and the youtube channel "lelit insider" showed already the elizabeths pid is not correct. while having the pid on 92 degress C the preinfusion startet at 89C and even on the extraction the temperatur was barely at 91degrees C. in order to make the elizabeth afordable they probably had to cut corners on build quality and electronics.