Citizen Promaster NY0040 vs Orient Kamasu. When Citizen met Orient! Which is The Best Budget Diver?

[@scatterbrain9490]

Good choices

[@seikoskx]

Best bang for the buck PROMASTER BABY

[@darrenfry4695]

Love orient watches (i.m.h.o they're just as good as most seiko divers) this was interesting for me because ive never been hands on with the citizen p.m but this review has shown what a little gem ive been missing lol t.y for this great review.

[@WesWatchRoom]

Great work with the comparison. For me I'd probably get both. The citizen for proper diving and the Kamasu for the desk diver.

[@johnswatchjoint]

Hi buddy. Thank you. Best to show folks that they do have real choice. Horses for courses as they say! :)

[@hvacae6904]

The only cons for citizen is their bracelet. But the overall quality of watch itself is far better than skx. I myself own an skx but thinking to buy the promaster soon

[@johnswatchjoint]

Yeah....but it's just as good as the basic jubilee on the SKX :)

[@MrBacchus18]

I'm choosing between the two right now but honestly I may buy both eventually. Nice Lordmatic btw

[@johnswatchjoint]

Thanks. They are two completely different takes on the dive watch theme.

[@clontstable1]

I own both & enjoy each one equally!

[@johnswatchjoint]

...as you should :)

[@tedblack2415]

Oddly enough i prefer the NY004 over the skx but in a line up the kamasu takes it as mine's pretty much a work tool & holds up just fine but i'd say the Citizen is better designed to take the abuse having had crown & bezel issues with the Orient within a matter of months , but as you say versatility wise you can't go wrong , interesting comparison though .

[@johnswatchjoint]

Thanks Ted. Comparison that had to be made. The Orient looks cool and wears pretty well for its size even on my wrist. The Citizen I know well as I have worn one for nearly 7 years. Really accurate and they take the rough stuff. That style of watch suits me but others, just like yourself appreciate the look of the Orient because of its versatility. Remember to subscribe if you like the content :)

[@paulvon2378]

NY 00085 which is even better.

[@jouwenlee7829]

You should also add the bezel marking and alignment there. I think all Kamasu has misaligned markings - meaning some part of the bezel minute markings align dead on with the dial minute marking but at other parts it’s not.

[@Anidiotgoescamping]

Great review, I have the citizen and love it, actually got the coke version with the horrible metal bracelet. Thought your opinions were well balanced and agree that it’s a basically down to what you want from your diver. Keep up the excellent videos!

[@johnswatchjoint]

Thanks Elliot. Always good to hear a fair and sensible opinion rather than n being told I am wrong! :)

[@kaniel_outis1]

Helped my decision a lot. Thanks laddy

[@johnswatchjoint]

Haha.... haven't been called laddy in 40 years. Glad I helped 😀

[@defender1006]

Yes, the NY0040 is a great watch and I would use it under most circumstances over almost any other watch, for any other challenge , short of a G-Shock, but they don't hit the mark design/dial wise TBH?

[@sheepdog-kp9hb]

I like em both

[@andreisiatat111]

Great video

[@johnswatchjoint]

Thanks for the visit

[@vgolovach2]

I have a promaster and the Mako. The noticeable difference is naked weight. Orient weights 10 grams more than the Promaster. With bigger thickness it wears less comfortable on strap, just too much weight on one side. That weight difference imo is the main differentiator in comfort.

[@johnswatchjoint]

Thanks for watching and leaving your comments. Remember to subscribe :)

[@josepmariaaguascaribot9239]

The test of time has their last word.
(tooking about the movements).

[@thatprcrawlerguy187]

For me sapphire glass is a must. I’m to careless and I continuously rub my watch against things. I’m not what you would call a 9-5 office person.

[@johnswatchjoint]

You sound like me yet I want the safety of mineral as I trashed a great watch when the sapphire crystal smashed and the face and hands took the brunt. I am always on the go as well BUT everyone has there own personal choice :)

[@fisnikloci1339]

hi dhe Acuracy of this watches best ic orient of citizen orient go 3 sec per 24H ar citizen go 11sec per 24h

[@johnswatchjoint]

I think I understand what you have said. In my experience of buying many Promasters and Orient Makos, Kamasus and Rays, the Citizen is the better movement for accuracy. Your experience of course may be different. Thanks ;)

[@1968jpy]

The fugu is a much better watch . It’s an ISO rated diver a real tool watch. I own the NY0086 Pepsi version of the fugu . The Orient is nice but not a real diver . I own two Orient MFORCE watches and the original Orient Triton with power reserve . Those a true ISO rated divers . The Fugu compares better to the Seiko SKX . I own the SKX009 as well.

[@jamesblank2024]

Good comparison, thanks.
I would like to see a lume comparison after 20 minutes. That's what matters. All watches look good at 2 minutes.
The Kamasu would not stay on my wrist because of uncoated sapphire crystal glare. I wish it were cheaper with mineral crystal, or more costly with AR. Index of refraction of sapphire is 1.76 vs. 1.50 for glass, meaning much more reflection off sapphire. Hence, the need for AR coatings. I put a high double domed clear AR coated sapphire crystal on my Kamasu, and it transformed the watch.
I also adjusted my Kamasu on a time grapher and now it wears +1 second per day. I really don't know how much the Orient f6922 movement slows as it winds down. It was originally +6 seconds.
Does the Citizen NY0040 have a gasket on stem like the SKX? The Kamasu only has a crown gasket. It is NOT a real diver. To me, that is biggest problem with Kamasu and all these water resist "dive" watches.

[@johnswatchjoint]

You obviously know your stuff. I had the Kamasu, the Promaster and my special edition San Martin side by side for 3;nights in a row to compare. San Martin won the lume test. Promaster a close second and the Kamasu was almost completely dead after 6 hours. Tested midnight to 6 am each time.

[@jamesblank2024]

@@johnswatchjoint Have you had the Promaster open to see the stem?

[@jamesblank2024]

@@johnswatchjoint I'm trying to decide on the NY0040 or the quartz BN0151.

[@johnswatchjoint]

@@jamesblank2024 No I haven't. My Promasters have all been really good, especially those running the older 8203 movement. The newer 8204 has sacrificed some accuracy for the hacking function which annoys me.

[@johnswatchjoint]

@@jamesblank2024 The NY0040 in black or blue are excellent and stunning to look at...the quartz version left me cold, though I do prefer the greater accuracy. The quartz wears VERY large!

[@han7902]

The pro master has the unique look for sure. But i would prefer kamasu for the hackable movement and sapphire crystal.

[@johnswatchjoint]

Perhaps you are not aware that the Promaster has had a hackable movement for over 2 years now. Also, as an ISO6425 diver it has Mineral that will not shatter :)

[@han7902]

@johnswatchjoint Fugu cost double, not comparable to ny0040 nor kamasu.

[@johnswatchjoint]

Nope . Not the Fugu. The NY0040 now ships with the upgraded Miyota 8204 movement which is the upgrade from the non hacking 8203 movement. Prices at the moment here in Europe are around £170 so absolutely comparable. Still my favourite watch as it wiped the floor with the SKX in terms of accuracy and also regularly beats the F6922 ( Orient ).

[@han7902]

@@johnswatchjoint Nice! I was not aware of that. Will do some more reading on it.

[@johnswatchjoint]

@@han7902 It was actually the Promaster that rekindled my passion for watches. Had I not seen it on the Urban Gentry channel seven years ago this channel would probably not have started. I love them and at one point had nearly all of the original colours. Black, blue, full Lume and the very rare yellow with the yellow rubber strap! Thanks for watching 🙏😊

[@michaeldasilva5079]

Hi John everyone and their uncle in the watch review world seems adamant that sapphire is much better than mineral or hardlex apart from yourself. I’ve seen a Pepsi version of the citizen watch and think it looks great but I’m put off with the mineral crystal. Should I be?

[@johnswatchjoint]

The Promasters are tool watches with an ISO rating to 200m. If you are a scuba diver in and around coral reefs or on shallow rocky waters then the mineral crystal is ideal as it will scratch rather than shatter. I am clumsy with my watches and do a lot of woodwork and DIY. I have had two sapphires shatter. One so badly it ruined the watch. It is a tool watch but you can buy sapphire crystals for it at around $35 if you need it. Hope this helps

[@michaeldasilva5079]

Thanks for the explanation John. I’m definitely a bit clumsy myself 😱. So what’s Hardlex like?

[@johnswatchjoint]

Personally I really do not like hardlex found on Seikos. It is flat, uninspiring and detracts from the dials. In my experience I have found it scratches far more easily than conventional mineral glass.

[@silverghost4206]

The orient triton would smash that citizen. Also, the orient star air diver would clip that citizens wings.

[@johnswatchjoint]

Unfortunately we are not in the same price category. Remember the Citizen cost £140! :)

[@silverghost4206]

@@johnswatchjoint My apologies john, i got a little carried away to shield orient as a i am orient fanboy.

[@johnswatchjoint]

@@silverghost4206 haha, no apologies necessary. We all have our favourites. For me it can be difficult as a reviewer to stay completely objective but I try. Thanks for watching.:)

[@silverghost4206]

@@johnswatchjoint Thank you john, 😉.

[@icy269]

loool came out swinging!! enjoying these comments

[@Dr_Doe]

I pick the dressier Kamasu as my desk diver. For a tool watch, a would wear a G-Shock instead.

[@allouttagum4919]

Citizen all day

[@Akalipt0s]

Orient kamasu is 10X better looking that Promaster in my opinion ...clear winner there...

[@johnswatchjoint]

Horses for courses. I would have both. Kamasu is the dressier of the two. Promaster is more rugged and far more accurate and that is my preference but everyone likes watches for their own reasons. Thanks for the comment ;)

[@MK-dx6fc]

Promaster got its own vibes