So the Citizen's got a better movement, applied markers, framed day/date window, it's smaller (more preferable imo), more solid bezel, never heard or seen one with allignment issues like some SKXs, is used by an actual navy and it still loses somehow...
@@sebastiang.480 You can say that the overall quality of the Citizen is superior, as it is for the Orient Ray 2 (which has even the hacking on a inhouse movement at almost the same pricepoint), what really pushes the Seiko over them (by a very little in both cases) it's the design, history and reliability. I have the SKX and the Ray Raven 2, and soon the Citizen, and I have to say that on the Orient I feel superior quality, it's undeniable, but I can't love it more than the SKX because it's just so unique and gorgeous. Anyway they're all great divers from very respectable brands, so there's no right or wrong answer here, it's just a matter of taste.
@@bonzerrrrr The numbers are lying though. Giving a watch an "8" in quality when it has alignment issues is a joke, especially at this price range. The quality of the Seiko is at best a 6. His durability numbers are just a guess, there is no proof that one is more durable than the other. Design, style, "x-factor", that's all subjective. He's a Seiko fan boy so he gives the Seiko higher marks. The Citizen has a higher value, it comes with a hand winding movement that is more accurate. A non hand winding watch at this price range is unacceptable.
This comment is 6 years I also still have my Citizen Pro master that has only been serviced ONCE in its life and still is running like a champ definitely a watch to wear and go without worrying about it
I need to stop watching this channel, made me buy an SKX, I want an Orient Ray, Orient Bambino and Seiko Sarb. A while ago I didn't care much about watches and didn't know much about them, now it's like my soul is calling to buy 100s of them. I also need a submariner.
I can relate! I have now purchased a subby homage, a seiko snk789, a G-shock and now I'm currently bidding on a Citizen pro master! All due to this channel haha
majch Spot on, TGV gets under your skin in a very good way, I have bought and sold 8 watches since I have followed this top geezer last year, just about to pull the trigger on an Skx007, too.
Hahaha, yep, once we start with this interest it becomes a passion. Seiko are top dogs. I love the new Samurai. But don't forget to appreciate the watches you own currently. I think very carefully about my purchases and always wait until the 'fever' passes before making any decisions. As a consequence, out of the 13 watches that I currently own (ranging from £24 to £4000) I love them all! And there will be more to follow, but right now, I'm so grateful for the watches I have. Good work with the channel TGV
I went for the citizen, and I'm quite happy, still looks like new after 8 months, and that's usually for me, I am used to change the watch every 3 to 5 years. And I must say that I'm impressed with the precision, I have about. - 2 minutes a month, and that's quite good for a mechanical movement.
The Miyota 8203 easily beats the 7s26 in terms of reliability imo, first produced around 1976 with the code 8200, is the same caliber as all the other 82xx miyota calibers with different codes and rotor weights designs, is in service essentially 40+ years and considered one of the most tough economic movements.. People tend to forget this and think it was first released in 1997 together with the particular watch..
In my opinion moving the crown to the 8 o'clock poisition is a brilliant feature. And of course as an Italian, this watch being certified and actually used by the Marina Italiana is a bonus. I'm still enjoying my Citizen. It's my daily driver. Seiko are great quality watches, but they all look alike.
I prefer the Citizen as it kept better time than my (now sold) SKX007 and just felt better built. Both are iconic timepieces but if I had to have one in the Zombie Apocalypse, it would be the Citizen. By the way...the updated version of the NY0040 has better lume and is now hackable. Thanks for the review, really enjoyed it.
I have the SKX007J and the NY0040 and honestly I like the NY0040 better. Just being honest here. The Citizen is better in the fit and finish dept. The bezel action alone is better and more precise in the NY0040. The fact that the movement on the NY0040 also has hand-wind is a plus as well. The SKX is so ubiquitous and that makes the NY0040 a little special as well. I love both watches but a slight edge in favor of the Citizen NY0040. Note: side by side, the Citizen is slightly smaller and wears smaller as well.
Nunya .Bidness i just bought my NY0040 and I love. It is very accurate, but the rotor is pretty noisy. Is that normal for the miyota 8203? Or it’s something wrong with mine
I am a lover of automatic watches and own the two models mentioned in the video, and over the months I could analyze advantages and disadvantages between the two brands. The most conservative Seiko and the most innovative Citizem. Resistance: The seiko has a more scratch-resistant case Lighting: When you wake up at dawn with the light off the Citizen's lighting is perfect lasts all night, and the Seiko will turn off in a few minutes. Precision: In the silence of the night there was the operation of the Seiko, already the one of the Citizen is not heard. Reason why the Citizen machine should be tighter and therefore more accurate. The citizem accumulates more load on the rope and lasts three days out of the wrist, since the Seiko just over 24 hours Finishing and perfecting the Citizen is most beautiful just look at the frames around the calendar numbers, then mark embossed on the trim pin. For these reasons I choose Citizen ... I am lover of both brands ... Excuses, but I think that Seiko stopped in time, had to innovate more!
I bought a Citizen Promaster in 2001 and have made HUNDREDS of dives with it. I just looked at my dive books and I have 515 dives with it. I have used and abused it, traveled on some seriously sketchy trips with it, and it has never let me down. You will have to pry it from my cold, dead hands.
I own both and my opinion is that while I feel the Seiko is a better watch, I love the Citizen more. It's so unique, so special and I think of it as a little bit of an underdog......................and I always root for the underdog!
I agree and now they have stopped making them the price is going up whereas the SKX seems as common as muck and still being sold in vast quantities. Having said that not having and SKX as some point would mean missing out on owning a classic.
@@Michael-4 The funny thing is, 5 years after you made this comment, the opposite is true. The SKX is now way more expensive, both “new” and used. I have an SKX that used to be sort of a beater watch, but after seeing the prices they’re going for these days, I’ve decided to retire it. And I just picked up an old NY0040 on the cheap that can hopefully fill that role from now on.
I've owned both for years, and have worn both a LOT. Love both. But I still prefer the Citizen. To me Seiko is better in two ways: 120 click bezel both looks better and operates smoother, and knurling on the Seiko crown is much more functional. Seiko is certainly the more iconic/historical of the the two. But as an actual timepiece, Citizen is better in pretty much every other way. Being able to handwind the Citizen is a HUGE advantage, because you can get it running in time more or less instantly when putting it on. Citizen is significantly more accurate; mine gains a few seconds/day and has been stable for years. Seikos usually gain/lose more than that and they're more prone to "drifting". Citizen face (IMO) is much nicer with the metallic rimmed markers and outlined window. Believe it or not, the lume on the Citizen is every bit as good as the Seiko. Location of the crown is a non-issue.
@@salty_terminal_civilian5374 The Promaster is creeping up though and difficult to find in the UK. I just got mine after weeks of deliberation and I'm chuffed. £162 on Amazon but only two left after I bought mine, other prices were around £200 from what I could see. Also mine has the improved 8204 movement with hacking, something they changed in late 2020 (mine is a crossover with 8204 paperwork and caseback but an 8203 dial)
I’ve been eyeing an automatic PROMASTER for awhile...I am so glad I stumbled across this video....already having an SKX 011 and loving it dearly, I have been in the market for another SKX model...this video has me re-thinking. Recently I added a quartz PROMASTER as my true beater...and I am completely amazed what 125 dollars bought me! With the end of the SKX line and the dramatic price increase in cost for finding a “new” one...I think it’s time to add a Citizen automatic to the collection...an even greater value with the end of the venerable SKX!...cheers!
Fremen Warrior dude its not worth it !! people who don't know anything about watches will talk shit .. just let it go ! not worth your time trust me... I just ordered my SKX007 from amazon cant wait to get it ! going to e my first Seiko.. Only found the K model !! i want the J but i guess its not difference ! not sure. what model do you have ?
Watching this years later makes me smile because the resell value of SKX is now crazy, it's definitely 10/10 of value
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It's 2024..look at the SKK's prices..if you can find one nos. Everybody was wrong about the Skx at that moment. Skx is already very collectible...and has become allready a classic, neo-vintage, urban-chic piece.
I love that crown on the Citizen. I'm left handed so it is actually on the proper side for me. It somewhat annoys me that I generally have to take my watch off if I want to change the time or wind it or something. They are both such great looking watches.
6 year guarantee for Citizen, 2 for Seiko, that alone would sway me. I to my sixth year with a Citizen BN0150, runs faultlessly, pick up a Citizen Super Titanium GMT next week, had considered a Seiko Samurai but more expensive for less features/guarantee/ quality.
I ride against popular views here. I have owned both and I found the Citizen better at the key purpose, diving! I am a recreational diver and when I used it its underwater clarity was astounding. Views of desk divers and real divers need to be considered here.. From a track record point of you, I would go for both but if push comes to shove it would be the Citizen. Also, the world and his wife wears the SK, you don't see the Citizen so much . I think the Seiko is a populist choice. For me the smart money is on the Citizen
NB did you see the video? 🙈 lume is clearly better on the Seiko, and TGV also states that. And if the turtle is even better than SKX that is just incredible how superior Seiko is.. thx for sharing 😊
Nice review. The Seiko is a nice watch, but the Citizen Promaster has such a unique charm to it and it's much more rare. I bought mine from an eBay seller in Malaysia and I just love it. Try it on a perlon strap... Somehow when I first got it, it ran 5 seconds slow per day. After a month or so, it now runs + or - just a few seconds a day. Very accurate. It's also semi-hackable when it's on a low charge. Just turn the crown backwards slowly and the seconds will stop.
Seiko SKX007 legacy: movies Citizen NY0040 legacy: Italian Navy "Marina Militare" Seiko is good/nice but clear winner is Citizen NY0040, better in all categories that can be measured.
Great video. I'm an SKX guy for life but that Citizen grew on me the longer the video went on. Very unique and ruged look. For someone who wants to go against the grain a bit and not get most popular choice it could be a great option. God bless - Rick
ha true. I wear on right wrist so 8 o'clock crown may be hidden bonus for me since it's windable. the bezel grip and Matt finish are really attractive to me.
I'm not much of a diver, and I choose the Citizen between them because of the design. Great precision indeed! Really, I could't ask for more as for timekeeping. And I say it's well built: evethings aligns exactly. Perfect. What I love is the crown at 8 position: quite unique and so good a design, because it's never a bother, it never hurts my hand.
I LOVE the look of the citizen promaster(actually my 1st diver)had been eyeing it so I just pulled the trigger on one from Amazon on black Friday for 150 and they've gone up in price ranging from 225 to 280
I went for the citizen and i went for the eco drive model which is more cheaper and you can leave it off for 6 month and it will still work. And it looks the same. I like the citizen look much more. The brushed steel is always more classy to me then the polished. My uncle is a diver and i was always amazed about his diver watches and he used something more citizen like. Overall both good watches but the blue dial citizen is for me. Good video thanks my friend.
I don't own any Seiko diver watch but I have among others a Citizen Promaster from 2015 and I can tell you it's really tough and worth the money. I have been scuba diving around 30-40 meters deep many times and it is like the first day. The only way it could be improved is with a good sapphire crystal, mine has a small scratch, almost unnoticiable unless you are specifically looking for it but... it hurts when you love it so much. Greetings from the sunny Spain.
Thank you for the great over content and thorough review. After watching your videos (more then once..), I decided to purchase the Citizen as my first Automatic watch. I must admit it was hard to make a choice, given how fond you are about the SKX. At the end of the day the Citizen scored better in this review in the categories that really matter to me as a regular user, who doesn't interact with watch lovers who care about brand prestige. Thank you again for your work.
I just purchased a Citizen NY0083-14X which is a limited edition version of the NY0040, and only available in Asia. I love the eight o'clock crown, and the fact that this 42mm Watch wears like a 38mm on my smaller wrist.
Another nice video, TGV. Loved the intro with the chess board as a metaphor for the upcoming duel. Personally, I would have given the Citizen higher marks for design over the SKX *because* of the destro crown. This design really works on a dive watch for right handed people that wear their watch on the left wrist. It makes the watch considerably more comfortable to wear, especially with the larger crowns that dive watches have. My EZM has a destro crown, and yes, while you wind and set it "backwards", I really do prefer it on a watch. Just my dos pesos. Cheers, Stephen
I have a few expensive watches, but nothing beats the Citizen titanium eco-drive I bought in Japan 10 years ago, wear it every day to work travelling the world as an engineer, the ultimate every day watch IMO
Hi TGV, thank you for the very good comparison. I bought myself a Citizen just a month or two ago, and I have choosen it against the Seiko only for a matter of personal preference (I find the skx dial a bit too boring). I'm very pleased with the watch, and in fact it has been on my wrist every single day since I bought it. It is very comfortable, and also a bit more unique (imho) and uncommon to see than the skx. Thank you again for the video, ciao!
Great analysis as always… I’ve owned both and overall I like the citizen better. Just seems a little more robust. Also the seiko wasn’t keeping the best time, I did drop it once so maybe that had something to do with it.
I’ve owned a SKX009K2 for over a year and a half and I have to say the chapter ring aligns perfectly and the timekeeping is pretty much spot on - maybe 15 seconds slow per 24 hours. I can live with that. I also find the Jubilee bracelet very comfortable. That said, I don’t think you can go far wrong with either watch.
Value: Tied Design: Tied Movt: Citizen, better accuracy, windable Prestige: Seiko, more popular Quality: Citizen, better made, better QC Style: Tied Versatility: Citizen, 20mm Lug width, smaller more wearable Performance: Citizen, used by Marina Militare tested 500m WR Durability: Tied X-Factor: Citizen, rarer and harder to find, less faked Winner: Citizen Promaster NY0040 I have both watches 😊
Great comparison as always, TGV! But I definitely have to disagree with the design score on the Citizen. It derserves at least an 8, if not a 9. Why? Well, the 'strange' position of the crown you mentioned several times in the video simply has it's occasion in the design. As you also mentioned in the video the Promaster was used by Italian Navy. The famous watch company Panerai also has a strong connection with the Italian Marine. And they made a left-handed Panerai Luminor (today the PAM 557) in the 1940's to comply with the requirements of the Italian Marine. Their frogmen used a compass and a depth gauge on their left arm so their watch has to sit on the right. Therefore it's much more useful to operate the watch with the left hand when the crown also sits on the left side. And this is the reason why the Citizen Promaster also has the crown on the left side. They also put them on the 8 o'clock position for more comfortable wear on the wrist and better handling if your right arm is stretched out to operate the watch this way. And that's why the Promaster definitely should score in this category, definitely doesn't deserve a 7 for this thoughtful design decision on the watch! Best regards from Germany, Daniel
Great information. As a left handed person who wears his watch on the right wrist , i can totally relate and appreciate the crown at the 8 o'clock position! I am still smitten by the SKX 009 Pepsi looks and respected iconic status in a relatively low cost entry level diver! The Citizen could win a duel with the SKX 007. At under or about $200, one could get both the citizen (on a bracelet) and the SKX on a band or both on a NATO.
I absolutely love my Citizen BN0151 in blue paired with an orange nato with brushed stainless rings to match the case. That orange colored nato really makes that orange minute hand pop! From Ohio, USA, ciao!
You know when Mallory says to M, of Bond, "You're sentimental about him?' M says "I Know my agent!" TGV, I think you are sentimental about your Seiko...........................
The citizen is a great watch but just being a seiko it has that aura, that classic heritage. The SKX just feels so cultured. Great video TGV thank you.
I put 200+ dives on my citizen. Also have the seiko. The crown on the odd side or at 4 o'clock is better than 3 o'clock as it prevents the crown digging into your hand or catching on you gloves when working with you hand at a weird angle. The luminescence of the citizen seems greater -which is a plus if you work in the dark or silty water... Citizen actually beat seiko to the water proof market in 1959 as opposed to seiko coming in at 1965. Seiko's history is better documented and they are easier to find. The fit and finish of the citizen is way better.. the seiko feels floppy. The old 6309 diver was actually more solid. The skx was a down grade in quality to mass produce more for cheaper. That said I wear both.
Great presentation. First time I have seen a watch show review with factors on paper. Great approach. I just bought the Citizen Eco-drive promaster diver watch for $109 dollars on Amazon. I recognize it is not an automatic but a quarts, but still believe for around one hundred dollars I got a great watch at a great deal. I have watched you presentation for other watches and enjoyed your style, sir. Theophilos Mantzanas
My wife may kill me, but I ordered the SKX175 today just so I have this historic piece. I hear it may go away. I have to stop. In the last month, I bought the Monster Dracula SRP313J1 plus another $70 for the SS bracelet, and the SNE435 Solar PADI.
Here I am, 5 years later, and the choice is ten times clearer for me. As much as I want an SKX, I’m not willing to pay $500+ for one when I can grab one of these Citizens for $220. Sad days!
Great overview. I have a NY2300, which looks even more similar to the SKX because it has the crown at the 3 o clock position. I agree with almost all of your points. I prefer the Citizens because they wear a bit smaller, and because of the better timekeeping and hand winding capability. In terms of heritage, the Miyota 8200 series movement was introduced in 1977. The Seiko 7S26 in 1996. Having said that, the 7S26 is the descendant of a long family line of iconic movements and divers, like the 6105, Tuna, 6306 and 7002.
You made things so much harder after this video. They are both gorgeous, I'll probably buy the Seiko and dream about the Citizen and look at photos online with it when the Seiko is not in the room.
I've just ordered the Citizen to replace my Seiko as my tool watch. I love my Seiko SKX (especially its looks) but a few things bug me : not the best fit and finish, really not accurate at time keeping, not a great power reserve and the impossibility to manually wind it (wich makes it a pain when I leave the SKX in the drawer for a few days to wear the other watches).
Hi TGV! I just bought my Seiko SKX today. It's just a great watch. Although I have so many watches, and this Seiko SKX wasn't in my mind particularly, but because of your regular and non stop praise of it I had to buy it. 😊😊 Cheers from Lebanon 🇱🇧
i would of been tempted to give the crown on the citizen a point due to it avoiding crown digging into your wrist for us loose strap wearers. much like some tag autavias
I have an eleven year old Citizen…it just keeps on going. I love the Seiko’s as well. I own 2 of them. But I did just order a Pepsi dial Citizen / Automatic because my original is black, and I’ve always wanted the Blue dial Pepsi version. It’s getting harder and harder to find non eco-drive versions… but thank goodness for eBay.
+João Vitor Amaral Silva Lefty here, Always been a right wrist wearer. Never owned a single Seiko, but I am seriously considering the Citizen for that reason.
JellyForSale I am also a lefty, but always wore my watch on the left wrist as well. Then again, as a lefty, I am familiar with the difficulties imposed by the right-hand-made world out there LOL, so I fully support a product like this!!
Important detail: the crystal in the skx is hardened, versus the promaster's normal mineral glass. I've owned two of each, and never scratched the Seiko, even after banging it and marring the bezel insert, while the Citizen would pick up scratches from brushing up against the zipper on my hoodie, or the keys on my lanyard. Both wonderful watches, but Seiko's hardlex chrystal has definitely been more scratch resistant in my experience. Something to consider if scratched glass bothers you.
Both watches are great for entry level automatic divers, I’ve just bitten the bullet and purchased a NY0040-17 as I wanted the blue dial, the citizen just wins out for me as it’s slightly smaller and a bit more unique. They seem to be fitted with the Miyota 8204 which is hacking too and makes it at bit better, I’m hoping mine will have it when it shows up. Obviously the modding scene for the skx is massive, can’t help but wonder why no one has decided to make stuff for the promaster, might make the watch a lot more popular if you could get lumed bezels and sapphire crystals, especially with the price of the skx going up.
I'm a working diver, and I wear a Promaster Eco Drive. It works excellently, I'm glad I bought it, and I recommend it to coworkers. That being said, if I was wearing a diver as decoration, I would take the SKX without hesitation.
I have within the last 2 weeks bought 2 Seiko SKX 7S26 Fishbone Mother of Pearl dial MODs. And I thank you for your channel over the past 3years I've been subscribed, watching and learning from you!
I have owned the SKX for years. Never went diving with it, but it's seen plenty of action. I've had nicer, more expensive, but, now with the oyster band, it's all I need. It can go anywhere.
Do you have the Pepsi or the black one? I want a pepsi but feel it's not as versatile to wear with a lot of outfits, But I already have a black seiko diver.
For left-handers the Citizen is a fantastic watch as it puts the crown in the right position for manual winding and date changing. So the scores are inverted in my case!
Just got my SKX009 about a month ago. This is my first Seiko since i'm Citizen fan. I actually received SKX009K2 and the NY0040-09W at the same time. I'm a little bit bummed out about Quality Control at Seiko. My lume dots do not align with the chapter ring and the bezel has a slight play to it. I have various citizens and none have never had any issues. I paid the NY0040 130$USD and the SKX009K2 210$USD. Yes it does keep great time but I think for this price it is unacceptable from Seiko that Quality control isn't properly maintained.
I have four Citizen NY0040,s and one SKX......So my winner is obvious.....Fit and finish is superior, accuracy is much better, I prefer the hand set, and the Bezel grips. I,d like to see Citizen make a 42 / 43mm version, with a bigger Crown, and a higher beat movement, probably a Miyota 9015....Now that would be a winner. Both iconic watches though ;)
If the Seiko SKX was out in 1996 and the Citizen introduced in 1997....is it fair to say that the Seiko has a much better proven track record since there's only a year difference in the time they've been around?
Wearing a new Promaster NY0085-86E automatic with updated hacking and handwinding movement, I realise that the Citizen is not discontinued and you can buy it in all possible variations and movements for a good price. Okay, the best skx you can currently buy is the Islander. And it is a great watch. :-)
Bought a Seiko SKX divers watch back in 1992. Gave it to my son around 2001. It has never been serviced. He wears it everyday and it is still going strong. No problems.
Just watched this as I’m in the middle of rebuying ny skx009, if I can find a newish one and I’m also getting an citizen ny after years of not liking the crown. Great video mate. I miss these head to heads.
Citizen has a 100 years of history and has lots of first in the industry. I have both and I have to say the citizen is a better watch. I really like my solar model citizen the best with the crown at the 4 o'clock position. It is iso rated and more accurate than both of these.
I have a few Rolex's, and thanks to you I have discovered the Seiko SKX. I have now added the SKX175 to my collection, and I am loving it. Keep the videos coming.
Cheers TGV ! I've gone out and bought an Ny0040 based on your excellent reviews, and spot on you are! Just love it at +4 sec/day for a month on the wrist. ** just bought a blue one as well. Can't get enough haha!! All the best to you and Hugo.
nowhere in his presentation had he mention that the citizen promaster is an ISO certified divers watch. i might have missed it, so correct me if i am wrong.
I do agree with you Tristano. The SKX is the king here. And in my opinion is the king everywhere because is the best sub that you can bring with you for every adventure and any commitment you want. You can go to the swimming pool, to vacation, to a business trip. Even on top of the K2 without any problem and if somebody stole it you can easily replace it buying another one. That said I would like to have even the Citizen. :-)
+Stefano Cecchini Stefano! Always happy to hear form you my friend. Very true by the way regarding the SKX. Have you tried the Citizen yourself? Thank you, Best regards, TGV
+The Urban Gentry I haven't tried the citizen so far. I discovered it because of you. I had a look at Orologi & Passione the Italian forum of Orology and seems quite famouse. As you said on top of the Marina Militare version there is writed 500m AUTOMATIC. I saw even a version in twotone but seems quite difficult to get. I would like to buy the black or the blu dial. Always fantastic contents Tristano. Sei Bravissimo. Continua così!
The citizen has better build quality over seiko... I am sick of seiko and their QC issues. I recently bought a pepsi turtle, unboxed it, looked at it and boxed it back up for return. My goodness. I have 6 bulova precisionist watches they are MILES ahead in quality over seiko... unbelievable.
Great challenge. I have both and love both. I really can't find flaw with your scores. I really think this price range is probably one of the most competitive for watches when you look at all the offerings out there. Have a good one!
+Aron Dunlap So glad to hear, this is the second time I shot and made this video. Was far from happy from the scores I gave it first time round, I get obsessed about it! LOL Thank you Aron, Best regards, TGV
Come on TGV, you can do better than this can you not? I think the clear winner here is the Citizen. The movement is better equiped, the durability is great, it is ISO certified, the bezel is better, it is a winding movement, the watch has provenance and you got the historical numbers wrong, the watch dates back to 1989. The movement of the Citizen is 40 years old. It is 500 meters WR tested by the italian Marines. There is really no reason why the Seiko should win this test really. The alignment of the Seiko bezel is shitty in many cases, this never happens to the Citizen and Jody from JOMW hates Seiko for that cause it costs a lot of money with lots of QC issues. I think this review is more on the subjective side really. Looks are stunning on the Citizen to my eyes.
I have both, and I always go for my citizen, it's definitely smaller and more comfortable plus the crown doesn't dig in to your hand, it's also more accurate and the bezel lines up perfectly. As said in the vid both great though !
I'd disagree with the crown placement. I wear on the left hand and the crown does not dig into the back side of my hand when my wrist is bent up. The crown placement was a major factor in my purchase. I would not purchase a watch with a crown on the right.
So the Citizen's got a better movement, applied markers, framed day/date window, it's smaller (more preferable imo), more solid bezel, never heard or seen one with allignment issues like some SKXs, is used by an actual navy and it still loses somehow...
Sebastian G. Numbers don’t lie my friend. Go to the scorecard for further details
@Bonzer Wolf, and the winner is ... The Seiko NY0040!
@@sebastiang.480 You can say that the overall quality of the Citizen is superior, as it is for the Orient Ray 2 (which has even the hacking on a inhouse movement at almost the same pricepoint), what really pushes the Seiko over them (by a very little in both cases) it's the design, history and reliability. I have the SKX and the Ray Raven 2, and soon the Citizen, and I have to say that on the Orient I feel superior quality, it's undeniable, but I can't love it more than the SKX because it's just so unique and gorgeous. Anyway they're all great divers from very respectable brands, so there's no right or wrong answer here, it's just a matter of taste.
@@bonzerrrrr The numbers are lying though. Giving a watch an "8" in quality when it has alignment issues is a joke, especially at this price range. The quality of the Seiko is at best a 6. His durability numbers are just a guess, there is no proof that one is more durable than the other. Design, style, "x-factor", that's all subjective. He's a Seiko fan boy so he gives the Seiko higher marks. The Citizen has a higher value, it comes with a hand winding movement that is more accurate. A non hand winding watch at this price range is unacceptable.
The Citizen wins all the important categories IMO
I bought this citizen diver 20 years ago and I am still wearing it today.no issues through all these years
This comment is 6 years I also still have my Citizen Pro master that has only been serviced ONCE in its life and still is running like a champ definitely a watch to wear and go without worrying about it
I need to stop watching this channel, made me buy an SKX, I want an Orient Ray, Orient Bambino and Seiko Sarb. A while ago I didn't care much about watches and didn't know much about them, now it's like my soul is calling to buy 100s of them. I also need a submariner.
I can relate! I have now purchased a subby homage, a seiko snk789, a G-shock and now I'm currently bidding on a Citizen pro master! All due to this channel haha
majch Spot on, TGV gets under your skin in a very good way, I have bought and sold 8 watches since I have followed this top geezer last year, just about to pull the trigger on an Skx007, too.
Same here!
Hahaha, yep, once we start with this interest it becomes a passion. Seiko are top dogs. I love the new Samurai. But don't forget to appreciate the watches you own currently. I think very carefully about my purchases and always wait until the 'fever' passes before making any decisions. As a consequence, out of the 13 watches that I currently own (ranging from £24 to £4000) I love them all! And there will be more to follow, but right now, I'm so grateful for the watches I have. Good work with the channel TGV
I have a SNK805 from a few years ago. Never thought I needed another watch. Now I "need" a SKX007. I'd better stop watching this channel.
I went for the citizen, and I'm quite happy, still looks like new after 8 months, and that's usually for me, I am used to change the watch every 3 to 5 years.
And I must say that I'm impressed with the precision, I have about. - 2 minutes a month, and that's quite good for a mechanical movement.
The Promaster is definitely the better choice in, yeah, in every aspect in my oppinion to be honest.
Nice video by the way
The Miyota 8203 easily beats the 7s26 in terms of reliability imo, first produced around 1976 with the code 8200, is the same caliber as all the other 82xx miyota calibers with different codes and rotor weights designs, is in service essentially 40+ years and considered one of the most tough economic movements.. People tend to forget this and think it was first released in 1997 together with the particular watch..
They do,and they're wrong about the watch as well....it was released in 1989 in fact
@@michael.1517 el reloj citizen.
The 7S26 (while introduced in 1996) shares a lot of DNA of the 700x series coming from the 70's. Even the 6R15/35's share this same lineage.
In my opinion moving the crown to the 8 o'clock poisition is a brilliant feature. And of course as an Italian, this watch being certified and actually used by the Marina Italiana is a bonus. I'm still enjoying my Citizen. It's my daily driver. Seiko are great quality watches, but they all look alike.
I prefer the Citizen as it kept better time than my (now sold) SKX007 and just felt better built. Both are iconic timepieces but if I had to have one in the Zombie Apocalypse, it would be the Citizen. By the way...the updated version of the NY0040 has better lume and is now hackable. Thanks for the review, really enjoyed it.
The citizen is the winner because it won in the more important categories such as keeping the time accurately....
And quality and mechanism.
and who would buy a seiko where it doesnt hand wind?!
The Citizen case just feels better crafted. Especially the bezel.
I have the SKX007J and the NY0040 and honestly I like the NY0040 better. Just being honest here. The Citizen is better in the fit and finish dept. The bezel action alone is better and more precise in the NY0040. The fact that the movement on the NY0040 also has hand-wind is a plus as well. The SKX is so ubiquitous and that makes the NY0040 a little special as well. I love both watches but a slight edge in favor of the Citizen NY0040. Note: side by side, the Citizen is slightly smaller and wears smaller as well.
Nunya .Bidness i just bought my NY0040 and I love. It is very accurate, but the rotor is pretty noisy. Is that normal for the miyota 8203? Or it’s something wrong with mine
@@razvan-ul normal
@@razvan-ullol, wait till you hear some seiko rotors😂
I am a lover of automatic watches and own the two models mentioned in the video, and over the months I could analyze advantages and disadvantages between the two brands.
The most conservative Seiko and the most innovative Citizem.
Resistance: The seiko has a more scratch-resistant case
Lighting: When you wake up at dawn with the light off the Citizen's lighting is perfect lasts all night, and the Seiko will turn off in a few minutes.
Precision: In the silence of the night there was the operation of the Seiko, already the one of the Citizen is not heard. Reason why the Citizen machine should be tighter and therefore more accurate.
The citizem accumulates more load on the rope and lasts three days out of the wrist, since the Seiko just over 24 hours
Finishing and perfecting the Citizen is most beautiful just look at the frames around the calendar numbers, then mark embossed on the trim pin.
For these reasons I choose Citizen ... I am lover of both brands ... Excuses, but I think that Seiko stopped in time, had to innovate more!
Citizen has a beautiful dark backround, more luminous dots and more classical appeal. A+
It took one day of wrist time to fall in love with the Promaster. Comfortable, beautiful and what a lume!
I bought a Citizen Promaster in 2001 and have made HUNDREDS of dives with it. I just looked at my dive books and I have 515 dives with it. I have used and abused it, traveled on some seriously sketchy trips with it, and it has never let me down. You will have to pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Just like my colt 45
I own both and my opinion is that while I feel the Seiko is a better watch, I love the Citizen more. It's so unique, so special and I think of it as a little bit of an underdog......................and I always root for the underdog!
+Adman1175 Have both too and was gonna write pretty much the exact same thing. Ha.
I agree and now they have stopped making them the price is going up whereas the SKX seems as common as muck and still being sold in vast quantities. Having said that not having and SKX as some point would mean missing out on owning a classic.
@@Michael-4 The funny thing is, 5 years after you made this comment, the opposite is true. The SKX is now way more expensive, both “new” and used. I have an SKX that used to be sort of a beater watch, but after seeing the prices they’re going for these days, I’ve decided to retire it. And I just picked up an old NY0040 on the cheap that can hopefully fill that role from now on.
I've owned both for years, and have worn both a LOT. Love both. But I still prefer the Citizen. To me Seiko is better in two ways: 120 click bezel both looks better and operates smoother, and knurling on the Seiko crown is much more functional. Seiko is certainly the more iconic/historical of the the two. But as an actual timepiece, Citizen is better in pretty much every other way. Being able to handwind the Citizen is a HUGE advantage, because you can get it running in time more or less instantly when putting it on. Citizen is significantly more accurate; mine gains a few seconds/day and has been stable for years. Seikos usually gain/lose more than that and they're more prone to "drifting". Citizen face (IMO) is much nicer with the metallic rimmed markers and outlined window. Believe it or not, the lume on the Citizen is every bit as good as the Seiko. Location of the crown is a non-issue.
Its 2020..... the promaster is a skx KILLER.... AND STILL BEING MADE!!!!its not a fake collectable!!!!
I agree.
2020 and the Citizen is 150, the SKX is more than 300! Lol.
@@salty_terminal_civilian5374 The Promaster is creeping up though and difficult to find in the UK. I just got mine after weeks of deliberation and I'm chuffed. £162 on Amazon but only two left after I bought mine, other prices were around £200 from what I could see. Also mine has the improved 8204 movement with hacking, something they changed in late 2020 (mine is a crossover with 8204 paperwork and caseback but an 8203 dial)
This didnt age well
@@inkusaido actually it still rocks the skx..... read a book there jr🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’ve been eyeing an automatic PROMASTER for awhile...I am so glad I stumbled across this video....already having an SKX 011 and loving it dearly, I have been in the market for another SKX model...this video has me re-thinking. Recently I added a quartz PROMASTER as my true beater...and I am completely amazed what 125 dollars bought me! With the end of the SKX line and the dramatic price increase in cost for finding a “new” one...I think it’s time to add a Citizen automatic to the collection...an even greater value with the end of the venerable SKX!...cheers!
I've had a Seiko for thirty years and still use it for diving.
Thats fantastic, I bet it has so many great memories.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry I just started to whatch your video's and it is really nice to see that a watch that I own is so respected.
+R SVL it's the sxk in blue and red btw
do you have the J or the K ?
Fremen Warrior dude its not worth it !! people who don't know anything about watches will talk shit .. just let it go ! not worth your time trust me...
I just ordered my SKX007 from amazon cant wait to get it ! going to e my first Seiko.. Only found the K model !! i want the J but i guess its not difference ! not sure. what model do you have ?
Watching this years later makes me smile because the resell value of SKX is now crazy, it's definitely 10/10 of value
It's 2024..look at the SKK's prices..if you can find one nos. Everybody was wrong about the Skx at that moment.
Skx is already very collectible...and has become allready a classic, neo-vintage, urban-chic piece.
I love that crown on the Citizen. I'm left handed so it is actually on the proper side for me. It somewhat annoys me that I generally have to take my watch off if I want to change the time or wind it or something. They are both such great looking watches.
THIS!!! It's like a left handed dream...
I'm trying to decide between these 2 watches iam leaning towards the Citizen.
good decision !!
6 year guarantee for Citizen, 2 for Seiko, that alone would sway me. I to my sixth year with a Citizen BN0150, runs faultlessly, pick up a Citizen Super Titanium GMT next week, had considered a Seiko Samurai but more expensive for less features/guarantee/ quality.
I ride against popular views here. I have owned both and I found the Citizen better at the key purpose, diving! I am a recreational diver and when I used it its underwater clarity was astounding. Views of desk divers and real divers need to be considered here.. From a track record point of you, I would go for both but if push comes to shove it would be the Citizen. Also, the world and his wife wears the SK, you don't see the Citizen so much . I think the Seiko is a populist choice. For me the smart money is on the Citizen
ccw1961 can you explain what you find better on the Citizen I regards to diving?
NB even though Seikos lume is better? Strange...
NB everyone else says the lume is stronger in the Seiko, and it is even displayed in this video. Guess your Seiko is defective 😊
NB did you see the video? 🙈 lume is clearly better on the Seiko, and TGV also states that. And if the turtle is even better than SKX that is just incredible how superior Seiko is.. thx for sharing 😊
personally I went for the promaster Titanium ecodrive. no worries no problems
I might go for the citizen, now that the skx has doubled in price... lol
Got my citizen right before xmas on Amazon for 119 bucks. They seem to run that sale every 2-3 months.
Nice review. The Seiko is a nice watch, but the Citizen Promaster has such a unique charm to it and it's much more rare. I bought mine from an eBay seller in Malaysia and I just love it. Try it on a perlon strap... Somehow when I first got it, it ran 5 seconds slow per day. After a month or so, it now runs + or - just a few seconds a day. Very accurate. It's also semi-hackable when it's on a low charge. Just turn the crown backwards slowly and the seconds will stop.
Seiko SKX007 legacy: movies
Citizen NY0040 legacy: Italian Navy "Marina Militare"
Seiko is good/nice but clear winner is Citizen NY0040, better in all categories that can be measured.
i Agree
Great video. I'm an SKX guy for life but that Citizen grew on me the longer the video went on. Very unique and ruged look. For someone who wants to go against the grain a bit and not get most popular choice it could be a great option.
God bless - Rick
hold the NY0040 upside down and now the crown is at 2 o'clock and you can wind it, set the time and date normally.
ha true. I wear on right wrist so 8 o'clock crown may be hidden bonus for me since it's windable. the bezel grip and Matt finish are really attractive to me.
The skx is everywhere, I prefer the promaster
I'm not much of a diver, and I choose the Citizen between them because of the design. Great precision indeed! Really, I could't ask for more as for timekeeping. And I say it's well built: evethings aligns exactly. Perfect. What I love is the crown at 8 position: quite unique and so good a design, because it's never a bother, it never hurts my hand.
I LOVE the look of the citizen promaster(actually my 1st diver)had been eyeing it so I just pulled the trigger on one from Amazon on black Friday for 150 and they've gone up in price ranging from 225 to 280
I went for the Citizen. Love it, yet still want to get the skx at some point.
I went for the citizen and i went for the eco drive model which is more cheaper and you can leave it off for 6 month and it will still work. And it looks the same. I like the citizen look much more. The brushed steel is always more classy to me then the polished. My uncle is a diver and i was always amazed about his diver watches and he used something more citizen like. Overall both good watches but the blue dial citizen is for me. Good video thanks my friend.
The Citizen is great for us left handed types.
I don't own any Seiko diver watch but I have among others a Citizen Promaster from 2015 and I can tell you it's really tough and worth the money. I have been scuba diving around 30-40 meters deep many times and it is like the first day. The only way it could be improved is with a good sapphire crystal, mine has a small scratch, almost unnoticiable unless you are specifically looking for it but... it hurts when you love it so much. Greetings from the sunny Spain.
Thank you for the great over content and thorough review. After watching your videos (more then once..), I decided to purchase the Citizen as my first Automatic watch. I must admit it was hard to make a choice, given how fond you are about the SKX. At the end of the day the Citizen scored better in this review in the categories that really matter to me as a regular user, who doesn't interact with watch lovers who care about brand prestige. Thank you again for your work.
I just purchased a Citizen NY0083-14X which is a limited edition version of the NY0040, and only available in Asia. I love the eight o'clock crown, and the fact that this 42mm Watch wears like a 38mm on my smaller wrist.
Another nice video, TGV. Loved the intro with the chess board as a metaphor for the upcoming duel. Personally, I would have given the Citizen higher marks for design over the SKX *because* of the destro crown. This design really works on a dive watch for right handed people that wear their watch on the left wrist. It makes the watch considerably more comfortable to wear, especially with the larger crowns that dive watches have. My EZM has a destro crown, and yes, while you wind and set it "backwards", I really do prefer it on a watch. Just my dos pesos. Cheers, Stephen
+Stephen Scharf Thank you Stephen, you certainly get used to it.
Best regards,
TGV
I have a few expensive watches, but nothing beats the Citizen titanium eco-drive I bought in Japan 10 years ago, wear it every day to work travelling the world as an engineer, the ultimate every day watch IMO
Hi TGV, thank you for the very good comparison. I bought myself a Citizen just a month or two ago, and I have choosen it against the Seiko only for a matter of personal preference (I find the skx dial a bit too boring). I'm very pleased with the watch, and in fact it has been on my wrist every single day since I bought it. It is very comfortable, and also a bit more unique (imho) and uncommon to see than the skx.
Thank you again for the video, ciao!
The Seiko pulls out the victory but I am going to enjoy wearing the Citizen! Thanks!
+Jeremy Corrao Same thing for me :)
Great analysis as always… I’ve owned both and overall I like the citizen better. Just seems a little more robust. Also the seiko wasn’t keeping the best time, I did drop it once so maybe that had something to do with it.
I’ve owned a SKX009K2 for over a year and a half and I have to say the chapter ring aligns perfectly and the timekeeping is pretty much spot on - maybe 15 seconds slow per 24 hours. I can live with that. I also find the Jubilee bracelet very comfortable. That said, I don’t think you can go far wrong with either watch.
Value: Tied
Design: Tied
Movt: Citizen, better accuracy, windable
Prestige: Seiko, more popular
Quality: Citizen, better made, better QC
Style: Tied
Versatility: Citizen, 20mm Lug width, smaller more wearable
Performance: Citizen, used by Marina Militare tested 500m WR
Durability: Tied
X-Factor: Citizen, rarer and harder to find, less faked
Winner: Citizen Promaster NY0040
I have both watches 😊
What movement is inside the Promaster ?
Great comparison as always, TGV! But I definitely have to disagree with the design score on the Citizen. It derserves at least an 8, if not a 9. Why? Well, the 'strange' position of the crown you mentioned several times in the video simply has it's occasion in the design. As you also mentioned in the video the Promaster was used by Italian Navy. The famous watch company Panerai also has a strong connection with the Italian Marine. And they made a left-handed Panerai Luminor (today the PAM 557) in the 1940's to comply with the requirements of the Italian Marine. Their frogmen used a compass and a depth gauge on their left arm so their watch has to sit on the right. Therefore it's much more useful to operate the watch with the left hand when the crown also sits on the left side.
And this is the reason why the Citizen Promaster also has the crown on the left side. They also put them on the 8 o'clock position for more comfortable wear on the wrist and better handling if your right arm is stretched out to operate the watch this way. And that's why the Promaster definitely should score in this category, definitely doesn't deserve a 7 for this thoughtful design decision on the watch!
Best regards from Germany,
Daniel
Excellent information, Thanks Daniel.
Great information. As a left handed person who wears his watch on the right wrist , i can totally relate and appreciate the crown at the 8 o'clock position! I am still smitten by the SKX 009 Pepsi looks and respected iconic status in a relatively low cost entry level diver! The Citizen could win a duel with the SKX 007. At under or about $200, one could get both the citizen (on a bracelet) and the SKX on a band or both on a NATO.
I've had (and sold) a couple of SKXs, I found them too shiny-looking to the point they looked cheap. Never had that issue with any Citizen watch.
I absolutely love my Citizen BN0151 in blue paired with an orange nato with brushed stainless rings to match the case. That orange colored nato really makes that orange minute hand pop! From Ohio, USA, ciao!
You know when Mallory says to M, of Bond, "You're sentimental about him?'
M says "I Know my agent!"
TGV, I think you are sentimental about your Seiko...........................
The citizen is a great watch but just being a seiko it has that aura, that classic heritage. The SKX just feels so cultured. Great video TGV thank you.
+AH H You hit the nail on the head, nice one AHH, I know exactly what you mean.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
I put 200+ dives on my citizen. Also have the seiko. The crown on the odd side or at 4 o'clock is better than 3 o'clock as it prevents the crown digging into your hand or catching on you gloves when working with you hand at a weird angle. The luminescence of the citizen seems greater -which is a plus if you work in the dark or silty water... Citizen actually beat seiko to the water proof market in 1959 as opposed to seiko coming in at 1965. Seiko's history is better documented and they are easier to find. The fit and finish of the citizen is way better.. the seiko feels floppy. The old 6309 diver was actually more solid. The skx was a down grade in quality to mass produce more for cheaper. That said I wear both.
Great presentation. First time I have seen a watch show review with factors on paper. Great approach. I just bought the Citizen Eco-drive promaster diver watch for $109 dollars on Amazon. I recognize it is not an automatic but a quarts, but still believe for around one hundred dollars I got a great watch at a great deal. I have watched you presentation for other watches and enjoyed your style, sir. Theophilos Mantzanas
My wife may kill me, but I ordered the SKX175 today just so I have this historic piece. I hear it may go away.
I have to stop. In the last month, I bought the Monster Dracula SRP313J1 plus another $70 for the SS bracelet, and the SNE435 Solar PADI.
Here I am, 5 years later, and the choice is ten times clearer for me. As much as I want an SKX, I’m not willing to pay $500+ for one when I can grab one of these Citizens for $220. Sad days!
Great overview. I have a NY2300, which looks even more similar to the SKX because it has the crown at the 3 o clock position. I agree with almost all of your points. I prefer the Citizens because they wear a bit smaller, and because of the better timekeeping and hand winding capability. In terms of heritage, the Miyota 8200 series movement was introduced in 1977. The Seiko 7S26 in 1996. Having said that, the 7S26 is the descendant of a long family line of iconic movements and divers, like the 6105, Tuna, 6306 and 7002.
I have the promaster from 1993, superb piece of kit.
Just found out that the skx has discontinued & increased in price so i think the decision is made for me😔
You made things so much harder after this video. They are both gorgeous, I'll probably buy the Seiko and dream about the Citizen and look at photos online with it when the Seiko is not in the room.
I've just ordered the Citizen to replace my Seiko as my tool watch. I love my Seiko SKX (especially its looks) but a few things bug me : not the best fit and finish, really not accurate at time keeping, not a great power reserve and the impossibility to manually wind it (wich makes it a pain when I leave the SKX in the drawer for a few days to wear the other watches).
Hi TGV!
I just bought my Seiko SKX today.
It's just a great watch.
Although I have so many watches, and this Seiko SKX wasn't in my mind particularly, but because of your regular and non stop praise of it I had to buy it.
😊😊
Cheers from Lebanon 🇱🇧
i would of been tempted to give the crown on the citizen a point due to it avoiding crown digging into your wrist for us loose strap wearers. much like some tag autavias
I have an eleven year old Citizen…it just keeps on going. I love the Seiko’s as well. I own 2 of them. But I did just order a Pepsi dial Citizen / Automatic because my original is black, and I’ve always wanted the Blue dial Pepsi version. It’s getting harder and harder to find non eco-drive versions… but thank goodness for eBay.
The Citizen is PERFECT for people who wear their watches in their right wrists, or the Schwarzkopf team!!
+João Vitor Amaral Silva Haha, indeed!
Thank you Joao,
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry also take a look at the Citizen airdiver pmx56 2811/2812. Eco Drive and Titanium construction.
+João Vitor Amaral Silva Lefty here, Always been a right wrist wearer. Never owned a single Seiko, but I am seriously considering the Citizen for that reason.
JellyForSale I am also a lefty, but always wore my watch on the left wrist as well. Then again, as a lefty, I am familiar with the difficulties imposed by the right-hand-made world out there LOL, so I fully support a product like this!!
That defeats the purpose of the 8 o'clock crown. Its made that way so the crown does not dig into the wrist.
Important detail: the crystal in the skx is hardened, versus the promaster's normal mineral glass. I've owned two of each, and never scratched the Seiko, even after banging it and marring the bezel insert, while the Citizen would pick up scratches from brushing up against the zipper on my hoodie, or the keys on my lanyard. Both wonderful watches, but Seiko's hardlex chrystal has definitely been more scratch resistant in my experience. Something to consider if scratched glass bothers you.
The lume on the Citizen is always shining, even in daylight!..
+kyndryd spyryt Yes, very true, the Seiko is brighter but the Citizen seems to shine all day.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Both watches are great for entry level automatic divers, I’ve just bitten the bullet and purchased a NY0040-17 as I wanted the blue dial, the citizen just wins out for me as it’s slightly smaller and a bit more unique. They seem to be fitted with the Miyota 8204 which is hacking too and makes it at bit better, I’m hoping mine will have it when it shows up.
Obviously the modding scene for the skx is massive, can’t help but wonder why no one has decided to make stuff for the promaster, might make the watch a lot more popular if you could get lumed bezels and sapphire crystals, especially with the price of the skx going up.
I'm a working diver, and I wear a Promaster Eco Drive. It works excellently, I'm glad I bought it, and I recommend it to coworkers. That being said, if I was wearing a diver as decoration, I would take the SKX without hesitation.
Im glad I came and got my Citizen Promaster! it showed up just in time when the SKX was out of stock in my country
Citizen is better watch and have much more passion, love everything about this watch
I have within the last 2 weeks bought 2 Seiko SKX 7S26 Fishbone Mother of Pearl dial MODs. And I thank you for your channel over the past 3years I've been subscribed, watching and learning from you!
Now Im interested in getting the Citizen!
There’s a reason the Citizen crown is at 8 o’clock- its not just to be aesthetically different. Ask any military diver and they’ll tell you.
@Drazen Stefanovic Ee, evo jednog našeg. :)
I have owned the SKX for years. Never went diving with it, but it's seen plenty of action. I've had nicer, more expensive, but, now with the oyster band, it's all I need. It can go anywhere.
Outstanding review and channel by the way. Bene fini.
+Gary Cappelletti And it makes me so happy that this watch I bought so long ago, IS THE MOST TALKED ABOUT WATCH ON THE NET!😎
Do you have the Pepsi or the black one? I want a pepsi but feel it's not as versatile to wear with a lot of outfits, But I already have a black seiko diver.
Thank you for the interesting comparion between these two watches, TGV!
To be honest, I've got a really expensive Breitling but I bought this Seiko as my everyday watch and it is fantastic!!!!
So glad to hear! Happens to most of us I think ;-)
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
i just bought my first automatic watch...and i chose seiko skx 009k with jubilee bracelet... and im happy with it... nice watch.
Just bought the SKX, love it so far, compliments my collection nicely. Thanks
For left-handers the Citizen is a fantastic watch as it puts the crown in the right position for manual winding and date changing. So the scores are inverted in my case!
Just got my SKX009 about a month ago. This is my first Seiko since i'm Citizen fan. I actually received SKX009K2 and the NY0040-09W at the same time. I'm a little bit bummed out about Quality Control at Seiko. My lume dots do not align with the chapter ring and the bezel has a slight play to it. I have various citizens and none have never had any issues. I paid the NY0040 130$USD and the SKX009K2 210$USD. Yes it does keep great time but I think for this price it is unacceptable from Seiko that Quality control isn't properly maintained.
Where did you buy them ?
eyeonlife yes, where did you buy the citizen promaster ny0040?
I think the Citizen is either discontinued or extremely low on stock.
I have four Citizen NY0040,s and one SKX......So my winner is obvious.....Fit and finish is superior, accuracy is much better, I prefer the hand set, and the Bezel grips. I,d like to see Citizen make a 42 / 43mm version, with a bigger Crown, and a higher beat movement, probably a Miyota 9015....Now that would be a winner. Both iconic watches though ;)
If the Seiko SKX was out in 1996 and the Citizen introduced in 1997....is it fair to say that the Seiko has a much better proven track record since there's only a year difference in the time they've been around?
Wearing a new Promaster NY0085-86E automatic with updated hacking and handwinding movement, I realise that the Citizen is not discontinued and you can buy it in all possible variations and movements for a good price.
Okay, the best skx you can currently buy is the Islander. And it is a great watch. :-)
I think it important to note the ISO certification of both of these pieces.
Bought a Seiko SKX divers watch back in 1992. Gave it to my son around 2001. It has never been serviced. He wears it everyday and it is still going strong. No problems.
The Citizen is just as beautiful!
Just watched this as I’m in the middle of rebuying ny skx009, if I can find a newish one and I’m also getting an citizen ny after years of not liking the crown. Great video mate. I miss these head to heads.
Citizen has a 100 years of history and has lots of first in the industry. I have both and I have to say the citizen is a better watch. I really like my solar model citizen the best with the crown at the 4 o'clock position. It is iso rated and more accurate than both of these.
I have a few Rolex's, and thanks to you I have discovered the Seiko SKX. I have now added the SKX175 to my collection, and I am loving it. Keep the videos coming.
Sound tells me that lume shot was done under the blanket :)
+Tomas Augustinavicius LOL
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Cheers TGV !
I've gone out and bought an
Ny0040 based on your excellent
reviews, and spot on you are!
Just love it at +4 sec/day for a
month on the wrist.
** just bought a blue one as well.
Can't get enough haha!!
All the best to you and Hugo.
NY0040 still in use in Marina Militare?
nowhere in his presentation had he mention that the citizen promaster is an ISO certified divers watch. i might have missed it, so correct me if i am wrong.
I do agree with you Tristano. The SKX is the king here. And in my opinion is the king everywhere because is the best sub that you can bring with you for every adventure and any commitment you want. You can go to the swimming pool, to vacation, to a business trip. Even on top of the K2 without any problem and if somebody stole it you can easily replace it buying another one. That said I would like to have even the Citizen. :-)
+Stefano Cecchini Stefano! Always happy to hear form you my friend.
Very true by the way regarding the SKX. Have you tried the Citizen yourself?
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry I haven't tried the citizen so far. I discovered it because of you. I had a look at Orologi & Passione the Italian forum of Orology and seems quite famouse. As you said on top of the Marina Militare version there is writed 500m AUTOMATIC. I saw even a version in twotone but seems quite difficult to get. I would like to buy the black or the blu dial. Always fantastic contents Tristano. Sei Bravissimo. Continua così!
Stefano Cecchini has
Stefano Cecchini so are you saying you can’t take the Citizen these places?
The citizen has better build quality over seiko... I am sick of seiko and their QC issues. I recently bought a pepsi turtle, unboxed it, looked at it and boxed it back up for return. My goodness. I have 6 bulova precisionist watches they are MILES ahead in quality over seiko... unbelievable.
Also the crown on my Citizen is at the 4 o'clock. The particular Citizen you have is a left handed watch. That is why the crown is at 8 o clock.
I have both watches. Seiko SKX009K2 and Citizen Promaster NY0040-50E
The Citizen is the superior watch overall.
Im wondering why seiko won
Great challenge. I have both and love both. I really can't find flaw with your scores. I really think this price range is probably one of the most competitive for watches when you look at all the offerings out there. Have a good one!
+Aron Dunlap So glad to hear, this is the second time I shot and made this video. Was far from happy from the scores I gave it first time round, I get obsessed about it! LOL
Thank you Aron,
Best regards,
TGV
Come on TGV, you can do better than this can you not? I think the clear winner here is the Citizen. The movement is better equiped, the durability is great, it is ISO certified, the bezel is better, it is a winding movement, the watch has provenance and you got the historical numbers wrong, the watch dates back to 1989. The movement of the Citizen is 40 years old. It is 500 meters WR tested by the italian Marines. There is really no reason why the Seiko should win this test really. The alignment of the Seiko bezel is shitty in many cases, this never happens to the Citizen and Jody from JOMW hates Seiko for that cause it costs a lot of money with lots of QC issues. I think this review is more on the subjective side really. Looks are stunning on the Citizen to my eyes.
I have both, and I always go for my citizen, it's definitely smaller and more comfortable plus the crown doesn't dig in to your hand, it's also more accurate and the bezel lines up perfectly. As said in the vid both great though !
Seb Bamford are both heavy in weight???
Can you please do a series on the history of watch brands e.g. Rolex, Tag Heuer, seiko, omega
I'd disagree with the crown placement. I wear on the left hand and the crown does not dig into the back side of my hand when my wrist is bent up. The crown placement was a major factor in my purchase. I would not purchase a watch with a crown on the right.