Everything You Can Break On A Ferrari 360 - If You Don't Know How To Use It
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2021
- The 360 is the first model Ferrari I suggest people buy because of its performance, usability and reliability, but that doesn't mean anyone can just hop in and drive it. It has some quirks that you need to know and some take finesse to operate properly and get the most out of the car without breaking it.
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Lesson: Don't buy a cheap Ferrari if you can't afford the expensive maintenance.
Today, Mr. Spaghetti explains how to eat at the bistro without choking on a breadstick
one of the few spaghetti jokes that are actually funny hats off to you
@@jamesdawson3094 **reciprocates hat tip**
Downright impressed that someone came up with a half decent joke about.... _Spaghetti_
@@paulcarmi8130 Thanks mate, I don't comment often and I'm never this "early", so I try to come up with a good one when I get the chance :)
Glad I hit for ya!
@@paulcarmi8130 when the bar is soo low this is funny
Sounds like a nightmare... and I want it.
"The 360 is a really delicate flower that needs a lot of attention. "
-Rob Ferretti-
9:00 Rob has such a typical East coast sense of humour. He's effortlessly funny when he tells stories
As opposed to what other humor?
Rob, my old 360, last I heard, had done 90,000 km first clutch. I had it from 30 to 70,000 and sold it to another Ferrari guy. At 90T he said it was still fine. My thoughts inline with yours. Very careful off the line. BTW I did track days in that 360. General driving, I would sit at lights in neutral. Coming up to a red light, throw into neutral. Try to never reverse up any sort of slope/incline. I would also advice to check the ends of battery cables into alternator, they fray. If too bad, then will ground, maybe cause a fire or, in my case grounded and fried alternator. Always do all fluids properly. On service check torsion on bolts around timing belts rollers, they come loose. Alarm unit, not remote, change battery before failure as the battery can leak and destroy motherboard, this is bad. Oh and get some smile removal cream and buffer, you will need that.
Rob, you ever dealt with Midwestern Auto Group in Ohio? I worked there when I was 20 years old or so. This is why I watch your videos. Damn near put a Porsche 911 Turbo in the ditch the first time they told me to go get gas down the street. The light was changing red and I was turning left and pegged the gas. I luckily was able to save it while I fishtailed down the road a thousand feet or more.
Still some of the best memories from way back when. Driving Bentley's, Ferrari's, Porsche's. Guy was revving it up at a stop light on the way back from the gas station. I was in a Ferrari Boxer. I lit his ass up while he sat at the green light missing gears. Never had one single day's training in a manual transmission. Man, those were the days.
Turning heads driving locally in someone's bad ass car. I was young and probably drove someone else's car a little too hard a time or two. That's the kind of shit you don't forget as someone that has never even been in vehicles like that.
Funny, that sounds exactly how the transmissions in Forza act like when you’re in manual shifting.
He said hill starts, loading on a transporter and in traffic. How does that translate to Forza? Genuinely curious.
If it’s drive train swap it’s manuall
If it’s stock drive train it’s manual with cluch
@@gordonbombay676 In Forza, the manual and manual with clutch recognises an analogue spectrum of clutch positions, the game is coded to only function on an engaged or disengaged binary basis. With the manual option without clutch option, if you keep the throttle pinned between shifts Forza just sends the revs pinging on the limiter, instead of cutting throttle like a real DSG or robotic manual. Manual with clutch I have found is super clunky for reasons already explained RE binary but lifting off throttle momentarily can help. Almost universally racing games assume you will drive around at 100mph+ everywhere (project cars: you can actually launch the car of the clutch without throttle input; proving there is some level of analogue clutch actuation modelled in game) therefore moving away from a stand still requires excessive amounts of revs maybe due to the binary nature of how the clutch engagement typically works in these games which could be confused with huge clutch slip.
Rob I love how you explain your thought process ie; the logic with the clutch vs closed trailer argument. Keep up the content please!
Rob: now it's engaged
Dumpster: don't do it Rob
I truly hate when cars are fragile. I like knowing I can be hard on my car and it won’t just break all the time
Corvette gang rise up
Completely agreed! Fragile cars are garbage.
@@xxasifxx Are you saying that Corvettes are fragile or you can beat on them. No hate. I’m just curious, because I’ve heard it go both ways. Also I own a C5.
@@matthewboudreaux2693 the build quality is cheap af but the engine will outlive your grandkids with proper maintaining. But all in all it’s a damn good car to beat on
I can see your point but also appreciate these cars for what they are, precision engineered sports cars. It's like comparing nascar to F1 they're both very fast but different.
Very educational. I’m all about manual, but I wouldn’t have known anything about driving one of these. Hope I get a chance sometime.
Five year 360 Spider owner here. Rob did cover most of the quirks; one that he did miss (although covered in a different video some years back) is the sticky button syndrome. Apparently all the Italian cars from that period (yes, including Lambos) had the same problem, the knobs and buttons get very sticky after a while - annoying as hell. You can pull 'em all off and send them to some outfitin Florida that will be happy to fix them for about $600. Don't waste your money; denatured alcohol (NOT regular isopropyl rubbing alcohol) takes it right off - did all of mine in my garage in about an hour and a half.
These cars were built when they first really started to put a lot of electronics in and some questionable decisions were made. That alarm (actually called an immobilizer) is - as he says - a major source of embarrassment when you get in, forget to hit the button on the fob first, and the starter just spins like there's something wrong with your car. As far as clutch, yes, avoid anyone else try to handle the car whenever possible, avoid using reverse as much as possible, and try to NEVER use it uphill; the clutch never fully engages and you will smell burning clutch within about ten seconds. As Rob says, it is not an automatic; it is a manual transmission with a 15-year old computer trying to operate it for you.
I got this!
Just ignore the smoke and the burnt clutch smell and the fire. I'd fix that reverse lever thing though, that would be annoying. Probably needs a new detent and/or a larger pivot pin.
Need to get one of those Normal Guy Supercar gated 6 conversions when you do the clutch.
Also Samcrac taught me how to fail at 360 ownership.
Samcrac filled and checked his oil level while his engine was off this overfilling which caused a whole lot of problems.
@@tuomasholo Samcrac even got an expert in and it's still not a runner. Low T.
@@daviddavis1322 you've got 2 first names, what do you know?
At the low end of the market, I used to have an MR2 Spyder with Sequential Manual Transmission and absolutely nobody knew how to drive it. I gave up on valet parking when I owned that car.
Mr Spagetti tries his best to explain the cars quarks and features with out saying the words quarks and features.
When you open the door, just use the latch to release it from the frame, then switch your fingers/hand grip off the latch and pull from the actual door. Those latches are another weak link, not meant to be pulled on other than again, releasing the frame catch.
Love these vids!
Hey Rob! My father is a siding expert and has been operating his own business since the 80s. It would be amazing if he could take care of you. I love your videos so much.
I've been told by several mechanics that the 360 and a few of the Maseratis of the same era with the F1 transmissions are always slipping the clutch when you are using the reverse gear... so to save your clutch, avoid reverse as much as possible.
Very interesting video.
To park a manual you can put the hand brake or/and put in guear, for example first and the car will never move. I haven´t driven a automatic and probaly never own one. I like to choose when I change gears and what the car is doing.
One issue you forgot. My 360 the window sometimes doesn't automatically lower when you open the door to get out. If this happens you can't fully close the door and arm the car. I have to occasionally manually crack the window when this happens.
100% my 360 experience the same, personally I avoid using reverse..and only blip it to make the car move...and I only do gentle pull off from stop until clutch is obviously fully engaged. No parking on inclines either..this is all because of the early F1 tech.
Rari in the jersey woods 🔥
Honestly man, it's the same thing with airplanes. I surmise that it comes down to common sense and having some mechanical aptitude. A LOT of people just have no clue in life about that stuff.
My favorite quote is from an owner of a company years past that would say "he'll go down saying 'the book didn't say to do that!'". Not everything is black and white. Have to know how stuff works before you just hold a button down or whatever the situation is.
#1 Thing to brake a 360 Robs heart......
I've got the SMG gearbox in my E46 and I've lost count of the amount of times I've been called back because they can't get it to start despite me even offering before I go to show them how it works, best way usually to explain it is if somone else is operating the clutch pedal for you.
The other thing that bugs me is when they shake the selector to check it's in neutral despite being told theres no actual linkage, its basically a glorified joystick so you need to check the screen or make sure its pushed to the left and cant pull down.
I hate to say it but watching Rob's channel, I would NEVER EVER rent an exotic car. Especially not in the NY/NJ area where there are potholes everywhere.
Traffic sucks so you can't really enjoy it. Only point of renting is if you want to show off for a few days.
When you turn off engine in gear you may need to push down hard on brake pedal to restart.
Good watch, I work for a Jag Land Rover dealer and I'm taking a Modena in on trade soon for a 2022 F-TYPE R. I'll probably be the only guy in the dealership that will know how to move the car now 😂
Very useful. Do one for the AMG GT, please
Call the guy that’s supposed to do your siding and offer a few laps in your Ferrari before the clutch grenades.
The motor overheating without the challenger grill in the back might be an issue in warmer climates.
I remember something about the stock headunit having an activation code that disables the car if you replace it
I keep the car in sport mode for town driving - less clutch slip
One thing I don't understand is the sticky button issue on these and newer Alfas. I wish they would just use a better coating because it turns into a peanut butter like consistency which is just nasty.
Can you do one on a f430 and f355?
You’re supposed to park it in gear. That’s why it beeped when you shut it off at 3:50 to warn you it’s still in neutral.
Mine lives in an underground car park with a steep incline so I end up making a lap of car park to make sure the clutch is fully in before tackling the incline, lol.
Another tip: don’t let passengers close the door on the glass, messing up the window alignment.
Parking in gear sometimes it doesn't like starting up, because it is in gear. Gallardos I always park in gear, the 360s always neutral.
@@superspeeders that is true. I find it will automatically shift into N on startup about 50 percent of the time. I’ve got into the habit of shifting to N myself when I get in. Assuming the F1 pump has primed up. Then it’s time to put the hood down, which works 46 percent of the time every time.
@@superspeeders Stupid question but you do have a Gallardo?
Keep your revs low first couple hundred miles. Break gently. Don't drive for long extended period of time without breaks. If you really want to baby a car. Change the engine amd transmission oil post break in peroid. Yes there are microscopic metal shavings.
I called and talked to you briefly about your 360, and my interest in buying one. This video was a great follow up. Thank you!
Called him where? At the car rental place?
So is the 360 manual only using paddle shifters? Or does it have an “auto” mode where it will shift for you
It’s a sequential which is basically a manual where it can shift for you but has paddles. But all in all you gotta treat the clutch engagement like a manual
I've had a fiat (abarth) with Selespeed transmission, which is the same thing as F1 in ferrari. It's not that hard to drive, original clutch was still good at 200k km. You can leave that car parked in first gear without any problems. These transmissions need adaptation and regulation, they are not that hard to maintain in good shape.
This car looks great, would love to have one. But it beep any more for no reason at all? Almost as bad as our old silverado.
I'd say the 430 in manual is also reliable.
I want to learn how to drive a Ferrari 550 Maranello that my one of my favorite model 😇
Why I now drive a 911 after dealing with a 360 and F430. 35K in maintenance over 5yrs between the 2 of them.
still worth to buy? if so, F430 and 360 which one is better??
Not the same, but I remember when I vale'd my first tesla. Guy asked if I needed directions and I said "Nah I got it". I tried to make it go, but it wouldn't go, so I looked up some youtube videos for 10 minutes, couldn't figure out, till the guy comes out and tells me what to do, and it was soooo easy after that.
Moral of story, you may think you are a pro, but if someone wants to tell you how to do it right, listen to them. I remember when I had a carburated rx7 which was not tuned the best and only I could start it. I felt so dumb for not listening to the tesla owner, even though I have owned much more complex vehicles.
Dows anyone know what year ferrari rob has?
How’s the “auto” mode?
I remember rob saying something about lifting off the gas a little every shift kind of mimicking a manual I wonder if this applies to the f1 transmission in the 360 ?
No, do not do that, isn't required and makes it jerky for pax
@@johnsouthworthnz I've never even been near a 360 dont worry lol
omg i think ive been fucking up my clutch on my automatic cause I love spinning the tires on my prius.... ive driven a manual truck for years no problem but i never thought logically about how my automatic car is still going to gear and is out of gear at the start... i think my tires spinning isnt power, but lag and my clutch grabbing lmao
Quirks so far: Immobilizer was a PITA to figure out. Just ease off the clutch on the manual, don’t give it gas. The bar in the middle of the top will get caught on the glass if it doesn’t fold back all the way.
What do you charge per hour for ownership lessons?
Can you do a video on how to drive it
So never driven a 360 but I’ve driven newer paddle shifter like C7s and a 458. I’m assuming you also should let off the throttle for a moment when shifting not to burn up the clutch either or does it cut the throttle electronically enough to shift smooth?
When driving dual clutch cars like you mentioned you do not need to let off the throttle however in single clutches it does help to not wear the clutch as much due to making the shifts less harsh.
@@time2driveohio151 that’s what I figured was the case just never like seen it stated or talked about
C7 has a traditional torque converter behind the paddles.
@@PeakVT oh really? I thought it was a double clutch. My bad lol
Correct you don't want to stay on the throttle when you're shifting casually, But if you shift over 7,500 RPM and sport mode you can stay full throttle
Mr.Spaghetti explains how unskilled chefs mess up his pasta dish.
Interesting you have the same opinion on leaving the car in neutral as me.... everyone else I ever speak to claims I am doing that wrong with the f1, and I keep telling the same thing as you about creep etc but they claim it’s the factory way. I’ve never asked at the factory though, so not sure if you and I, or the masses, are actually right though, but I like to think it’s us!
Why don’t you put ppf on the car to protect against chips?
Apparently you havent taken it to the proper valets ;-)
I can get you some stories on the Ferraris
So if it drives like a manual, do you lift off the gas when shifting?
Not necessary. If you do, it can confuse the ECU.
Today rob spaghetti explains "al dente"
worth the pain. for sure
so does dead clutch mean stick swap time
Today, Rob teaches us how to use a clutch.
so many montana supercars
My uncle got out of his Porsche 911 Turbo and it went rolling away. I laughed my ass off. They were not amused
are these types of precautions/tips just good practice/behavior in all supercars? im a young 19 year old who has dreams of driving something like this one day without ruining it 🥲
Hi CJ, Rob did a great job breaking down the basic usage of this car in particular. Knowing how to work the paddles, and even knowing how a transmission engages and works is extremely important in many early 2000’s supercars. The average cost of breaking even basic parts can easily run you a paycheck, so a general rule of thumb is just to be extremely delicate with cars like this and all supercars overall. “Modern” (what I consider modern) supercars, or ones made in the early-mid 2010’s were made a bit more user friendly and from then to now they’ve only gotten easier and more reliable in operation. Don’t be afraid to ask questions when jumping behind the seat, a simple word of caution can literally save you thousands!
Somebody should make you a how to use a door handle video
Lets demonstrate on a rocky dirt road at a construction site
I wonder how much is cost to replace the soft top and it’s motors? :0
A lot, last I heard was USD$15T
So buy a three pedal coupe. Got it.
Quirks or features??
That is what most people get: exotics are fragile. Making something light has a downside. When you tell people that they understand, but normally don't think about it. "It's expensive, so it's string" is probably their thinking (Btw: I drive a Lotus)
Can somebody elaborate about the "you have to make it go into gear first" thing? I've never driven such a thing. Let's say you are standing at the lights and want to start really quick, but you don't wanna use launch control, what do you do? He said you can't just smash the pedal to the metal because it only lets the car rev high without engaging the gear/clutch...
You'd probably have to rev it up in neutral then shift the paddle to 1st. But that would, as Rob would say, completely roast the clutch.
@@lilchopin1 it’s hard to describe but when you shift it into first it’s like putting a manual shifter into first with the clutch pedal down. The rpm the clutch engages at is based on throttle position, so when you start to press the throttle with the car in first it gradually engages the clutch. If you press gently it’ll smoothly engage at about 1500 to 2000 rpm. If you want to takeoff quickly and press the pedal hard it’ll rev higher maybe 3 to 4K rpm and engage the clutch (which is faster but jerkier if you don’t carefully manage your throttle input)
"How to drive properly"
Use your effing blinker.
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Can you use regular gas?
Do you have to use premium?
Sorry for the Poor man questions 😆
Premium only.
May be different in the US from NZ if engines are configured differently. Pref 98 octane, min 95. Plus, and this is a biggy, no ethanol mixes. That will destroy the engine over time.
How someone can voluntarily purchase a piece of land near the road with such heavy traffic to build a house on it is beyond me. I wouldn't live there if someone paid me.
The entire first half of the video is just Rob explaining how to drive any car with a manual transmission.
A car guy’s Ferrari is a Porsche 911. You can daily it and it won’t need belts every 15k and a clutch every 25k. Just keep up with maintenance and drive it hard.
Now I'm hooked on spaghetti
Crazy how 100k cars are pretty but don't work as well as 20k cars
Jeez, I’d never let anyone drive my Ferrari, especially not some valet. Way too much to worry about.
If you buy a 360 Modena, avoid the F1 transmission. Get the 6spd.
Why recommend the 360 over the 430... the timing belt service after 1 year of ownership makes the price difference lean towards the 430...
Theres a 360 just like this with 79k miles on it on ebay for 58k
I personally think that the 360 is better with manual gearbox
Today, Mr. Spaghetti needs money for his new clutch on his ferrari. So he made a quick video for RUclips about his burnt clutch to get that pasta sauce
Whats your opinion on a 456?
The maranello prices used to be pretty low when they were underappreciated , they’ve gone up a bit in recent years .
@@Pwnulolumad Yeah saw a 01 456 m gta for like 56k recently, seemed neat asf
@@pengu4932 that’s RS7 money bro ;) if you just want to be in a Ferrari for brand recognition it’s worth it , but if you want modern amenities like adaptive cruise control .... Modern infotainment .... the age will show. I love how they look but know for a fact I would hate owning a pre 458 Ferrari
@@Pwnulolumad 430 and 360 are fantastic cars... You must not like a car having soul when you drive it
@@Pwnulolumad dude thats bmw 750i g11 money... thats a better car. They go for 44k with 35k miles
Quirks and features 😂
Next Video "Mint Ferrari 360 for sale Needs a new clutch"
Basically not a car for those who don't know how to use: their blinkers, hand brake, roundabouts, headlights, stop signs, the left lane on the motorway etc
Montana license plate 😏
It does not cost $1,000 extra to ship enclosed. You need to find a better company or use a broker.
Sounds like a car that has lots of issues even when new.
Problem with supercars and modern society, they're often seen and used as status symbols and not the works of art that they are. Difference between passion and greed. Someone who cares will learn while others will just use it blindly and wreck the car without intending to do so. I cringe at the idea of renting out supercars...
Today Mr. Spaghetti explains how to mess up a simple meatball recipe.