Can the 2023 Nissan 400Z be improved? | Chip Foose Draws A Car - Ep. 28
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2021
- As the world anticipates the 2023 Nissan Z, we thought we’d let Chip Foose have a go at making his own version... on paper. Chip is quite fond of the design of the original first generation 240Z and looks to modify Nissan's seventh generation Z car (and yes, this one is just called the "Z" as opposed to continuing the trend from 280ZX, 300ZX, 350Z, 370Z, etc.). What do you think? Is the 2023 Nissan Z perfect as is? Or would you rather have Chip's more heritage-inspired design?
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I like Chips inputs. However, (and this is where the 'designers' will be separated from the engineers) this Z is 100% based on the structural underpinnings and chassis of the old 370Z, to keep costs down obviously. This forced NISSAN to keep the short and bulky proportions that the 370Z gained over the 350z, which was more stretched.
Perfectly stated! You can see the b-pillar/quarter window are identical to the 370 - that isn't by choice. I think Nissan's designer did a pretty good job given those constraints. I'm not completely satisfied with the front grille opening, but overall I think it's an improvement on the 350 & 370.
@@Timmayytoo also a door card and dash comparison will show the true underpinnings. All major controls are in the EXACT SAME SPOT as the 370Z. Bit of the same job VW did between the Mk5 and Mk6 Golf
And that's why their car won't be as great as it should be
This is why nissans are the oldest worst and most unreliable foreign automaker
@@watnw2411 they are not so bad, I worked for them about 10 years from 08-18 I've worked for far worse foreign products. Products are outdated yes but,
their RWD vehicles are kinda bullet proof.
Chip addressed the two things that bugged me and did so perfectly, the headlights the short rear end. That looks perfect to me.
I like Chip's rendition (I'm seeing some Aston Martin in the sketch and I like that).
Aston stole the rear quarter window off Datsun.
I seen that toooo
The front of the Nissan oem looks like a cicada or a Katy did. As soon as I saw foose inspired z, I clicked on it and man is it better.
I was thinking the same thing. I definitely see hints of Aston Martin, which is a very good thing.
His version looks wayyyy better, and this is coming from a z owner (350).
The front and rear bumpers of the nissan version are a mess. Door handle still looks out of place too. Nissan obviously tried to add some nostalgic heritage, but it looks like a 10 year old made that design; it's all over the place.
Probably doesn't help that it's still based off a 20 year old platform. When they open the car door, I still see plastic components from my 16 year old version. Made as cheaply as possible by the lowest bidder. Can be yours starting at $40,000. If you can afford that, just get a used C7 vette.
I wish Nissan did a retro redesign of the 300ZX Z32 generation instead. They actually kinda pulled it off in the rear and it looks great but I would love to see Chip draw a Z32 redesign of his own!!! I still think the new one looks fine and Chip did a great job with the redesign.
Bro the Z32 imo is the only Z closes to perfection it needs nothing changed, the only car to have inspired Lamborghini to make something similar.
We got six years of the Z32. Car was near the end of its production run anyway. Nissan didn't anticipate US OBD-II and it happened in the middle of the specialty coupe sales slump. It wasn't just the Z32. The Toyota Supra, Ford Thunderbird, 240SX, 200SX (Sentra coupe), and lots of others bit the dust. The Z32 was too special and an already expensive car kept getting more out of reach of its buyers.
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@@EM-km8em It didn’t inspire Lamborghini. Marcello Gandini was the original designer of the Diablo. He also designed the Countach. Chrysler owned Lamborghini at the time, and had their designers do a slight redesign of Gandini’s design. He didn’t like that. Lamborghini needed headlights because their Popup headlights were against US regulations, just like the C5 Corvette’s and the RX-7. The 300ZX headlights fit perfectly.
The rear end on this looks great, but the front end looks like a generic "Japanese Import Car" from a video game. The latter is deliberately vague so people will fill in NSX or Supra or whatever, and they won't get hit with copyright ... it's almost like they ran out of money on the front end design.
There is something about sketching a car that brings me back to my childhood - I spent tons of time just drawing cars and trucks and vans freehand with crayons and markers. I should do more of that - thanks Chip!
Same here. Drawing on my exercise books.
Agreeeeee
Carrying over the chassis from the 370z probably really held them back in terms of how much they could update the lines / proportions.
All things considered, they did the best they could since they were on the brink of bankruptcy for the last few years.
@@Trussme96 They still are. Getting rid of Ghosn was a horrible choice.
@@omursaraslan6316 are you kidding? he's the reason for all of Nissan's faults...
@@papayaman123 Nah I dont think he was. It was a Japanse 'Honor and Pride' thing. Very toxic habit of Japanese people in the higher ranks of society.
In Japanese international business culture, there should always be a Japanse Manager on the highest rank of every department. Even if this limits the internal communications (i.e. Language barriers). Whenever mistakes are made; the one non-Japanese sub-manager below will get sacked. Thats how they work.
Ghosn was a good example of this: He was responsible for the merger between Renault & Nissan, but always had a full board of Japanese execs to deal with from Nissan side.
Then the Share split between Renault & Nissan went sour, after the French Government changed one of their laws, resulting in Renault having a higher share in Nissan than vice versa. The japanese execs in the board held Ghosn responsible but obviously could not pin him for anything since it was initiated by the French Government. So (i believe) they went on a dark paper trail and frame him for the stuff he is now being accused of. Maybe he did not do enough to stop the French government, and thats why they went ham.
But trust me; that man did not need to have those extra couple of millions in declarations. He already swam in money. If you dig deep enough you will always find something. And thats what they did.
Nissan is trending very well. They just announced a bigger than expected profit for 2021. All the new models are very well received.
Chips design is both more retro and more futuristic at the same time. That would be an instant future classic if it looked like that.
Honestly I like the new Z the way it is and I think Nissan made the best out of an old platform and chassis
But as always Chip Foose never disappoints and this is a great one as usual💪🏼
Same I feel like the longer tail makes it look too much like an R34.
I’m just grateful for the Nissan Z to be continued into the next generation. The 400 hp motor and a manual should provide many reliable years of driving enjoyment. I found that aftermarket wheels, tires, suspension lowering, and mild body trims can enhance the factory design.
Proportions are everything , and those cannot be changed by adding wheels and lowering etc . But I get what your saying , they can definitely make it look better.
I just don’t know how “reliable” it will be . The 3.7L V6 was very reliable in the 370Z . This 3.0TT engine has been only out for 4-5 years and has had mixed reviews of reliability. Definitely not as reliable as the 3.5 and 3.7L engines
Foose is right on. The new 400 is more of an odd caricature of the 370 and not a proper homage to the original 240. A full retro design with the elongated front end and circular headlights would have been better received than what was finalized.
I like what Nissan did. And what Chip came up with. Both look great. Chip's car has a bit more "presence". Like the 280Z.
I think Chip's rendition looks good but lacks personality. The way it looks beautiful is too traditional.
I got to meet Chip Foose at the car show in GA at Year One and he's as nice, genuine and brilliant as you expect.
This rendition grabs every classic line! Bravo.
From someone who is so good at what he does. Nissan should hire him !
I would DEFINITLY buy that!!
The issue that seems to come up so often in these videos is that the designers of these cars only look back to the previous generation rather than through the entire history of their iconic designs. They get caught up in what is fashionable and forget about what made them great. Luckily, we have guys like Chip Foose to remind us of what timeless design is.
Unfortunately many things and design language from these legendary cars aren’t just possible today due to government and safety regulations, I still Nissan did a great job adapting their heritage and design around those things for the new model
@@93ksj good point.
@ 9:21, How much is "a little money? "
@@toddsmith8608 🤣 I know right
most of the time the company tell you what you need to do, for example measure, here is where limitations start to be a problem, the 400z have 370z chassis, in my opinion if they went with bigger headlights the car will look different and better than those bmw z4 2002 headlights
In high school a friend bought a new Datsun 240Z. That was the perfect car back in the early seventies.
What a beautiful sketch. Someone please spend the money and bring the Foose Design Z to life!
Chip needs to be the universal design consultant for all car companies. 👌
Designing aside, Chip is by far the best car artist I've ever seen.
Can someone explain what he's doing with the x-acto knife?
Some Aston Martin DB7 design sneaking in there!
I've never thought about how beautiful a car with an Aston Martin front and Mustang rear would look.
Same thing that came to my mind. It's gorgeous and has lots of presence. 😉
The side profile of the drawing reminds me of an aston martin
When Foose draws, smiles comes out
Starting drawings with a sharpie is next level
Great job Chip! I'm on my third Z now a 1975, had a 72 and 73 prior. You lowering the door belt-line made the largest difference with the larger quarter window while keeping the 370Z cowl height. Shortening of the dogleg with the longer doors visually lengthening the midsection withing the same wheelbase of the old platform. Tail treatment looks refreshing from all the stumpy current designs. I have been hoping since the release that someone will make a custom nose kit... Retro G- Nose anyone!
I'm on number 2! Had a 72 240z, now I have a 260z! My first was a car I got when I just got out of high school. Had a 350 sb in it. This one is all original and staying that way!
Beautiful done. He is exactly right about the tail and especially the headlights. Nissan should have called Chip up when they were developing the car. In an hour he would’ve guaranteed waiting lines at their dealerships. BMW should definitely have given him a call for their Supra too 🙄.
New Integra next PLEASE. As always awesome artwork, keep it up.
The new integra is a FAILURE
Great idea! See my comment also ;)
Can’t make it worse. Acura’s entire design depart is total crap, interior and exterior. Honda in general isn’t much better…but the E was awesome.
Very nicely done Chip ! Enjoyable and educational .....as usual . Thankyou
The new z is already very beautiful. But your work is just truly amazing, I hope they can make it like that for the next one.
Meh - the next one will probably be electric (or automatic) so I won't really care 😂
@@MKu64 what would be weong with it if it was electric though?
@@jaycreate7701 Well most of the enjoyment I receive from driving cars comes from 'The driving feel'. To say that it is just 'speed' or 'acceleration' would not encompass that feeling. The way a car feels to drive comes down to the power, sure... but importantly (among other things), the weight (and feel of movement related to that), the visceral feel of the sound and revs and most importantly by far for me, the manual transmission. Personally, automatic cars provide little to no joy for me to drive. I have yet to find a car (regardless of ICE or electric) that provides the stimulation of driving a manual performance car.
To ask why it would matter if it were electric, just tells the story of how different we see a 'performance car'.
The manual Toyota 86 is by no means a fast car... for example.... but it's extremely fun to drive. That feeling is the example of what is lost with 'current' day electrics.. at the moment.
EDIT: If they moved towards a hybrid first (petrol electric for example) then they might approach the best of both worlds).
@@MKu64 IThanks for sharing your perspective, It was really intresting. I guess everyone sees the life, the soul of the car differently than others. Personally visual wise I see it through chracter, lines, etc. Btw hope you know I didn't want to spark a argument just curious
I love these!!! Please do the Porsche 944.
@@BubbaSmurft No, the German Mitsubishi Starion.
@@BubbaSmurft the 944 didn’t appear in the USA until 1983. Porsche did however license the balance shaft from Mitsubishi.
@@BubbaSmurft I'd say German RX7 FC 🤣. Didn't Mazda get in trouble by Porsche for basically copying the 944.
Chip nailed the design. Such talent. Love to see it come to life!!
As others have mentioned below, Nissan was working with the 370Z chassis. Too bad. I love what you've done. It maintains the spirit of the original, which just so happens, my 23 year old son is restoring a 1970 240Z but tossing in an 028 engine and switching out the 4 speed for a 5 speed. Will be nice.
Wow! Chip’s version looks so good I don’t know where to begin..
Two Tone Tony back at it again! Somethings don't ever change...
Chip Foose is a legend & I admire a lot of his work, but neither he nor Nissan can improve on the perfection of the original 240z in terms of styling. It seems that’s where Chip got most of his inspiration for this revision, & I’m just glad I was lucky enough to enjoy the original one in my lifetime. Keep up the great work Chip, your renderings are always inspirational!
This man has a superb skillset to design and draw the most beautiful, incredible vehicles ever conceived!
Also can take a full size rig and make any ride gorgeous! Phenomenal person! It's great to see his heritage still going. Where's his channel? My favorite automotive guru ever!
I think his comments ideas and style lines are bang on
Nissan should’ve had Chip redesign the Z definitely
Gosh your so talented yourself & crew it amazes me your wonderful creations.
Watching Chip at work is a reminder that while there are many elements that go into design, including a deep and wide knowledge of design history, there is one completely essential ingredient that is at the core of everything he does. And that element is passion.
This is by far the better looking design, thanks CHIP!!!!
Love the videos man ❤
Nissan missed it with those new headlights. The headlights on the Fiat 124 Spider would have been nice looking on the new Z. I like Chips version for sure!
Couldn't agree more. I wanted to love it and impulse preorder one. The headlights killed it for me. If the headlights weren't such a dealbreaker, it'd just need a 3 or 4" wedge spoiler in the back :)
The headlights are based on the 240z g nose so maybe you'll like it more after seeing that
@@philspaghet if it's in production like the release photos, the eyeline of the taillights don't flow into the fender at all. looks like a bad plastic surgery job. I hope you're right though.
@@lousypirate it looks better in person, but I still caught myself debating, staring at the front end multiple times, dissecting it. Its ehhh, it really just needs a new bumper, let’s remember that the Z’s face revolves around one single piece. I think with a bumper with maybe 2 separate squares on in the middle and then one at the very bottom before a splitter would look better, but at the end of the day it’s a good buy. 350zs look odd stock, but with the 370z V2 Nismo bumpers , it makes the cars exterior look nearly brand new with no changes anywhere else.
@@VZBudgetBuildz Agreed. Let's just be happy we have a RWD twin turbo V6 manual Japanese sports car for sale! The aftermarket is going to do miracles for this car like they did for the FRS/GT86/86/BRZ
It’s been a really long time since I watched chip foose and it gave me chills I remember watching overhauling as a kid with my parents and brother
I dont know why car companies dont use Chip as a consultant on the end design of cars.
If the new Z sells well then I'd assume the next body will be more towards what enthusiasts may want. They made this new car cutting corners to save cost. Only time will tell
Honestly I don't even mind that they reused the chassis. It's a good chassis. It'd be kind of like complaining about Mazda reusing the same chassis for the Miata - if it works, and it works great, then why change it radically and risk a total flip? If anything, the next chassis change they do should be only for a higher tier trim of the car
Oh I think this is the last Z we'll ever get. Electric cars are going to probably kill off sports cars because the beauty of proportions won't have any connection to performance.
The 350z was a great chassis and 370z improved on it. I don't mind them reusing this chassis at all. I'd buy a brand new S12-S15 chassis if it were available. And yeah this is probably the last combustion engine Z car we'll get. Hope it sells really well.
Someone out there, get a 2023 Z and let Chip turn it into this...
This is what car design is about. So much more interesting, meaningful and realistic than a boy playing with 3d rendering software.
I love your designs. I think the z you made was spot on. Especially the lights and rear end. I would love to see what you could do with one of the cars I own, which is a 1993 dodge daytona es or r/t. Great stuff, nice work!
Glad companies are still making low slung wide sporty cars, not everything looking like a blimp on wheels.
you hit the crux of the matter perfectly, what you said is exactly the first thing I thought when I saw the new car .............
Chip Foose always makes cars look even better than it was. For the new Z, Japan should have looked towards Chip Foose in designing the Z. Chip Foose, you're a true artist in both classic and modern auto design.
I love what you have done to the 2022 Z. Nissan should really look at your drawings and redesigned the 2023 to look exactly like what you have done in your design
You have to imagine a clean sheet design would have looked better than having to design around the old cars platform.
The proportion Chip Foose drew are a lot better than the proportions Nissan actually used. Nissan was also limited on shape changes since they used the 370Z chassis. I like the longer body on Chip’s rendering better. The car would look so much better if that was what they actually did.
I own a 1973 240Z. The raised portion in the center of the hood was added to clear the inline- 6 valve cover and it also gives the hood some rigidity. Since the new Z will be powered by a V-6 with all of the usual plastic engine covers, the raised portion of the hood needed to be wider. The headlight "buckets" on the first gen Z's look cool, however the headlight beam pattern is severely compromised because of the deep wall of the bucket facing the engine compartment! The light pattern is mostly blocked out in the center of the car! Fortunately (and mostly by accident) the problem was solved when I installed clear headlight covers on my Z.
Love your work with Chip, please keep it going
This video really exposes Chips artistic brilliance. Subtle changes that make the car a perfect rendition of what a new Z should be.
Wow, a lot of talent in this vid. Nice work!!
I just seriously love watching him draw cars.
Holy sh..... your redesign is SUPER AMAZING! honestly way more appealing, keeping the classic look even more and better proportioned. You should send them this, tag them or something (NISSAN). This version you did is way better overall, awesome job and great video!
One day, Foose's sketches will sell for $$$. He is a genius in the area of car designs.
So glad to see Chip is still doing his thing, I haven't heard anything about him in at least a decade.
I see Porch inspiration in ths car
You see porch inspiration? I see somebody who flunked English.
Man I really miss these. ❤ Hopefully Chip has time to do more.
I had no idea this man was this talented.
All the technical skills, and the vision of an artist. Chip is the GOAT!!
Well wish the ceo of Nissan see this video and talk to his design team to do this it looks amazing , I wish he can do my 71 Lemans looks one of his arts
My two favorite Z's. The 1973 240Z and the 2023 Z. Two cars 50 years apart! The best of both past and present. Well done Nissan.
Now the bar has been raised again for Nissan, and only a Legend like Chip Foose could make it possible.
I like the Nissan design better than Foose’s, even though I generally love his work. A longer rear end = more material and more opportunity to drag on driveways. And the new door handles look awesome. They look aerodynamic but still easy to use (compared to say, model 3 handles).
Your take on the new Z looks stunning.
Your design is so much better than the real one. I wish they could do your design.
Hey...it's Foose! This looks awesome! Being a life-long Z guy (I currently have my 7th...), I was happy to see what they did with the drivetrain...the looks though? Yea...TBD. lol
Anyway...havne't seen Foose in a MINUTE! I saw him draw a car for a kid that was in a mobility chair once...slapped some paper on the tray table thing attached to the chair and went to town and it came out amazing. He drew that bad boy UPSIDE DOWN!! Pretty epic artist, man. Seems like a pretty good dude, too. Good to see him still doin things!
And BTW, Chips drawing is BEAUTIFUL. THAT is what this car should've been.
Great show. Many thanks CF. Peace
I love too see things from when you where growing up that you drew before art school an etc . I bet the evolution of you skills would be interesting.
Loved your redesign man:))
Is there a better quality phot of the picture you drew I have a 71 myself in college and I’d love to have a full scan or something of it !
Man chip can really bring out the best of a design
Good stuff.
The man is Talented.
Let’s get more of this. !!!!!
Hi Chip. Great as usual. I would be really curious to whether you could see a way forward with the much maligned TR7.
The new design looks, well, not good. You Sir have definitely made an improvement. 👍👍👍
I love the changes he did. It seems (to me) as what should happen
Anything that reignites the 60s mustang fastback of the old Nissan is great in my book. Instant buy if it looked the way chips design looks.
It would have stood the test of time
Somebody get this man a car factory!
It's amazing they spend years on design and Chip, well he's gonna whip it out in an hour or so and it's perfect. I wish I did have the money to modify. Someone who does, please take him up on it!!
Now that is one beautiful car I would buy. It's a beautiful mix of the old 240z with a touch of modernized function.
Really cool watching the process. Nice work. Once the Z is lowered and sitting on dished rims I am sure it will look insane.
I would love to see Chip draw a Silvia S16 concept.
Your designs are allways better.
Mike
Glad I wasn't the only one. I saw one of these first on Leno. He seemed to love it but I kept thinking it was too short. I kept thinking of those Subaru/Toyota rides. Foose has it right 10 x over.
Chip’s reminds me of a Porsche 944 with 36 years of modern touches and a scent of Aston Martin. Very Nice
This was amazing!
Nissan boardroom director: anybody got any ideas on our upcoming design for the new 400z
Nissan boardroom employer: hold that thought, let's give chip foose a call
Chip: you guys started off right, but I think it should go this way
Nissan Boardroom : 🤝
I wholeheartedly agree with Chip’s take on this car. Simple is better. Amazing what a little proportioning can do to a design.
If I were Nissan I would fork out some money to Chip Foose and have him design the new Z. That rendition is stunning 👍👍👍
i really love how the 240s doors so close to the rear tire an how small it is
chip is a master ! he got the headlights right like nissan cant
subtle changes but holy cow! that flows very nicely.
Having had the 240 - 260 - 280 - 300zx since way back, JUST looooove your design WOW SPOT ON. Now to contact SANTA Thku.
Chips smile said it all.. he like this one. He is finally happy about one of his sketch videos... I think anyway.. i also loved the bronco street truck.. im not against changing the suspension height.