iPad Pro Review: The Best Ever... Still an iPad!
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- Опубликовано: 13 ноя 2018
- The new iPad Pro has unreal hardware. Incredible power. And beautiful design... but it's still an iPad.
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Ok, that iPad introduction is epic.
Fizzzix - Overwatch Ben Shapiro approves
For the 2% who sees this, I hope you have a amazing future!!
*I'm subbing to who likes my video and subs to me!* 😎😎😎
THANKS🍏🍎🍏🍏🍎🍎🍏🍎🍎
Weird flex but ok
@@guyat8007 piss off
True facts. Even MKBHD approves
That magnet paper is the coolest thing I've ever seen
Lashan i was looking for a comment about it
So dope
Lashan di8
You should see more things
I guess the paper its like the Etch-A-Sketch toy. It has metal dust in between the the sheets of transparent plastic. The paper it self is not magnetic.
bruh, i was like what kind of sorcery is this
“When is Apple going to start putting their incredibly powerful chips in Macs. Maybe that’s coming in the future sometime soon.”
Marques must have some type of time traveling machine.
@arham butt u realise this video is from 2018
Hay dude
@arham butt lmao
@@mtunayucer it’s a joke lmao
He also wore hasselblade shirt in 7t rewiew
1:40 *Now that's the richest way to hold an iPad.*
XD
😂🤣
My anxiety went : 📈
💀
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
For those wondering that green paper is 2 sheets of plastic with iron powder in the middle
Cool😀
Every MKBHD video is just like a short movie. He makes you watch til the end.
He is a great video maker.
i felt this review was the best one yet
I could care less about time when I watch his videos.
All i can afford right now is watching these videos on 144p.
Shaurya 😂😂🤣🤣
only 1080p here 🤣 watching a tablet i'll never buy
@@raycon921 same
Your device has a screen?
Shaurya lol
It’s funny coming back to this now, iOS 12 definitely held back a lot for what the 2018 iPad Pro could do, but now with more updates like iPadOS out it’s almost everything you could ask for. I’m still rocking the 2018 iPad Pro 11in and it is still amazing, don’t really have a need to upgrade right now
Only reason an upgrade is worth is for upgraded stage manager or if you need more ram for Procreate or something
Same ! I’m still using my 2018 iPad Pro the big one! Still going strong like I bought it yesterday… definitely no need to upgrade
@huntrox101, I am able to buy a used iPad Pro 12,9in with Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil for 980 $. Would you concider this a good buy? I have never used or owned an iPad, except for the first iPad Air back in the days which is still rockin for my usage.
I am concidering buying this gen 3 iPad 12,9in with Pencil and Magic Keyboard for 980 $ for my wife. The only purpose is for usage of Procreate. Do you think it is too slow@@fayenotfaye ?
@@JonathanTogard i would say its worth it, buy the latest iPad pro and it’ll last you for a good while, the m2 chips is a very powerful processor that even the most user intense app is not enough to slow down the iPad much, i have used my iPad for pretty much everything a normal laptop can handle
The magnetic magic paper was the main highlight of the video I guess. 😂👌✌️👍
Vedant PATEL that was magic indeed.
😂☝️😋😮🤣😂👏👌
Cancer
marques the magic mon
That was revolutionary (apple)
yes, this was an unusually boring video
angry birds in 5k
PUBG mobile in 5k
You are still stuck with angry bird in 2k18 ! Nice
@@SHROUDinBGMI r/whoosh
CitrusBadger it didn’t go over his head, he’s an intellectually oppressed gamer
35k lol
7:35 tot 9:05
MKBHD: *names a lot of iOS letdowns*
Apple at WWDC 2019: "Hold my beer"
the time that the ipad replaces the laptop is looming...
Hold my updates*
Hold my $1 trillion worth
@@Big_Spn That was for a day or so, then they dropped below 1 trillion net worth and have not come back. Microsoft on the other hand, breached 1 trillion and steady stays for months now.
bullshit
I’m working hard shoveling snow this winter for one wish me luck guys😄
Chunky Pee lol good luck bud!!
Good luck!
Hey everybody I’m very happy to say I achieved my goal I’m super happy with the. Product! Thank you guys
Good luck👊
Ah, I'm late. Ok, congratulations then
@@teddyl2647 congrats im getting mine next week fro best buy
Marques Khabib Brownlee
smesh
@@user-kp3ul9dq1u kevin
How'd you know
Marques Kebab Brownlee
@@user-kp3ul9dq1u Send Location
*the iPad Pro 2018 is the most expensive power bank available*
10:30 you predicted almost everything correctly
He also predicted that an iPhone will have a boxy design iPhone 12 has a boxy design he predicted the future
At 10:45 Marques basically predicted the new M1 processor
And the iPhone 12
Do you know which iPad review he did where he asked the kid why he is playing on his computer outside and the kid asked "what's a computer?".
Been trying to find it
I can't wait to buy....
magnet paper.
😂😂😂😂
HAHAHAHA
ME TOO
Too broke for the iPad Pro but that magnetic paper tho
I feel you my man!
That is extremely unrealistic because the iPad pro is nearly as powerful as the i9 MacBook pro 15 and in an extremely thin frame. As well as the fact that apple keeps stuff this powerful at least over $1.5k so Id think $600 is possible for the 11 inch. Where its at rn is more reasonable.
Top Dawg I think you’re mistaken, not sure you know how powerful an i9 processor is. For something that powerful in something as small as and iPad Pro would be completely insane. Apple couldn’t even properly cool the i9 in their 15 inch laptop, how would they do it in an iPad? The iPad is still a beast, it is more powerful than SOME laptops but not all...
We need way more flexibility on ios, can’t even get desktop view and there’s no file system like wtf so fucking dumb
Yeah I see. You’re just spamming
5:07 this goofy ass pencil position made me laugh harder than i should've 😂😂😂
What?
Forget the iPad Im getting some magnet paper. Wow.
Me watching this after iPadOS is announced:😏
Yup
All Apple yeah same getting my 12.9 inch tomorrow so happy also I draw so it’s gonna improve my skill so I would recommend this item
@@St4rr___ did you end up getting it? If so, is the 12 inch comfortable to draw on and hold or would you prefer the 11 inch?
@@mr_red13 am too confused if i buy 11 or 12 inch i have 11 year is it possible to use it i mean the 12 inch in pubg with my fingers or nahh i mean with 4 fingers which is better 11 or 12 for pubg and for 11 year child
@@Abo7amada as a father, I don't think I'd buy the iPad pro for my 2 year old daughter. But since your son is 11, that's your call. I'd prefer to buy her the new iPad for $309.
60FPS.. Nailed it Marques🔥🔥
Love the Transition to the iPads wallpaper
I wish it was 60fps.. :/
Finally....IPHONE 5 days are back, i just loved those boxy ones
Nah fam iPhone 4s
@@Anonymous12465 THIS! The 4s was the best looking phone Apple ever made, IMO.
@@CruJones ????
@@barthossports2322 What what?
@@CruJones naa the 5 was the best design
"maybe iOS 13 will turn the iPad into it's truest form, it's final form" nice prediction man .
it did
It’s time to update all devices to 14.5
Man, The Ipad Intro with Music. Insaning Beautiful, Great Job man! Hands down 🙌
I dig this new "review setup" of yours
Thanks! Picked up a Slickwraps Skin
Yeah the industrial combo with clean merchandise and tech is a great look!
is the pencil good?
@@ibanbista00 What pencil?
I need the magic paper more than the iPad now
Get the magic paper pro now!!! Only 9.69 $
That piece of paper is legit 400x more interesting than the iPad.
Forget the iPad Im getting some magnet paper. Wow.
2:58 MKBHD called the boxy iPhone (ofc the 12th gen)
The opening sequence is dope!
Jackson Qiu anyone know the music?
@@PUREaw5umnes Yeah what's the song?
forget about ipad im getting that magnet paper
Lol😂
Your review answered my question on the limitations of the iPad. Thank you so much.
Looks like apple addressed all your issues with the new iPad OS
Apple definitely took notice
Great to see you influence the tech world so much
Cheers
4:02 hahahaha that was mean
Was it an 'a' which followed ?
It was Karl
Its Keith. Father’s Name: Marlon ‘Keith’ Brownlee
Everyone knows it's Keith. Lookup his father's public profile.
Its Kimmel
Is no one gonna mention how damn crisp this video looks. Holy moly your filming and editing looks insanely good.
It's mentioned in every. single. fucking. video. Calm down.
I know this is on another level super human editing skills.
@@eloyreno My comment is specifically regarding this video. or. are. you. too. dense. to. comprehend. basic. English.
we're kinda used to that now after all these years :D
camera red
Nice video, Marques, thanks for the presentation
I like how he pretty much predicted the future of apple
Marques Krispy Brownlee
No! Kevin!😂
Makes sense though
Marques Krispy Brownlee Hot Dog
I swear if it's Kumar or something odd like that..... 😂
😂
4:06 ”My middle name is: K...” haha
StreetFerrari I am wondering for an while but he said in previouy videos that is a revelation with the 10M Mark Celebration
Kaled?
KFC
Karen
Kodak
Thanks! My new favorite blogger. I just ordered the 11”. I hope I’m not disappointed and want the larger one. 😂
Purchased this today for $599 used in mint condition cellular version, will still compete with the most recent released iPad.
do you think its still future proof? I’m thinking about getting one myself
@@max-junes2790 The hardware is meant to last for years, like 5-7. It's surprisingly current.
Just got my iPad pro and pencil, I LOVE it for drawing and multi-tasking!
Hiiii
Holaa
Human's can't conciously multitask.
Sea Lemon 😙
Hello! I love you Lol, I love my ipad too, it's just the gen 6 student one though, there's only so much a college student can afford and the pencil was a whole nother 100 bucks lol
U sold it to me at balance on the apple logo
Hroooom
@Big Chungus Balanced like all things should be.
Rerin YL that’s why I bought it and now I’m happy 😩
3:00 😆 he predicted the IPhone 12
"Magnetic charge".
Also, could have mentioned Diana from Physics girl here man.
My middle name is K.....😂😂really loved that tease🤣
Ka-
Karen?
Keith
What if it actually is just k. ?Kay?
@@michaelmccranie9622 very well can be..😂 😂
Kevin
What sorcery is that green paper
Material repellent to magnets, so you can easily see the forms of those magnets underneath by looking at the lack of that material on that paper in that spot.
Rijads So in other words, it is sorcery
@@johnnyliab6935 lol yup
2 transparent sheets and metal (iron) powder in between.
Check the video description
Apple: actually innovates
Samsung users: impossible
Lm"soee*
باكستان اسيوية what
😂
What the heck, i see you everywhere with your egg looking egg.
Apple bad you can now laugh
You have by far the greatest quality of video on RUclips let alone for tech reviewing channels
"My middle name is K"
😡
MKBHD is of Indian Origin and that his middle name is 'KUMAR'. The 'K' in MKBHD does not stand for 'KUMAR'. The REALITY: Father's Name: Marlon 'Keith' Brownlee.
Loved that, so good. 😂
The middle name is on Google...
Marlon? You mean Marques?@@flowrfpv
" ... is Keemstar"
the most advanced thing in this video is the MAGIC PAPER!
Bro...like, what kinda scocery was that!?
It just get stuck where magnet is so that part looks darker , other doesn't simple science
@@revirdkcalb it is actually two sheets of plastic or translucent paper with some metal dust/metal particles in between
Revird Kcalb hahahha they reinvent the paper lol
@@BITVedanshAgarwal This guy is actually right. Its pretty simple lol
Thank you!!! I did need it to replace the laptop, but I think I am still going to get it!
This is the most advanced iPad ever! I’m actually watching your video on my iPad rn.
The magic paper review is awesome!
I was debating on picking up a productivity device like this... But I'll stick with my surface 3 for now.
Man, if they released a full OS on this thing I would pick it up in a heart beat.
PKTEK same situation but dont have the surface pro 3 and am gonna get the surface pro 6.
PKTEK imagine if you can switch between macOS and iOS on an iPad Pro. That would be the ideal tablet. Never going to happen but a guy can dream
Add windows to that thing and im sold.
K
@@idontexistanymore1956 Add mac OS.
*I like watching stuff i can’t afford*
FastGamer9000 the cheapest version of that iPad is $550 plus tax. It is much cheaper
Bruh get iPad mini 5
Nostalgic inquisitor do have 120 hertz display doesn’t really matter it your not playing games
@@Nostalgicinquisitor now the 6
I like seeing this same boring comment on all videos
It’s incredible! So classy and productive device, also it’s so inviting to be artistic! There’s a lot of things you can do to it!I just love it in so many ways!
Hey Marques, you actually can go into your RUclips account on Safari. Press and hold the refresh button and choose "Request Desktop Site." From there you get the same page as a Mac. Hope this helps, I know I didn't know about that feature for quite some time.
Charles Petit hey!!!! Thanks for the tip! I didn’t know that lol
That was the best “My middle name is..” troll yet 😂
His middle name is
*Read* *more*
This is almost a confirmation of Keith, the second letter is rounded on the side.
omegadan it kinda looked like an “a” to me
Mad Rooster keith, his father’s middle name
it's Kumar @@ivanubilla1409
I’m getting this for school and it’s coming in a week I’m so excited it will hopefully make quarantine better
0:58 it's like Fry from Futurama when he tries to press the button to launch the garbage ball and he misses
now i can finally afford ipad 2
lol
Yo, someone said a joke similar to this, and a dude said, lol haha. Then a stupid someone decided to make a whole argument...
3 subs with no video challenge PLZ? hell yeah...
James Jackson You’re*
3 subs with no video challenge PLZ? Channel?
6:00 lol magic paper :D
I'm high right now and this shit really killed me!
Thank u for this video n that really helped me to figure out what to actually get for my son 🤗
Excellent and very useful, thanks!
Marques Kumar Brownlee.
XD
Damn 😂😂😂😂😂
OMG. I died😂
😂
How are u not fazed by that really cool paper?!?!
Oh yeah yeah
@@thirstydemon Uh no😂
Max Dec. idk why, but it makes me feel uneasy for some reason lol
You are a great communicator. Thanks
The caption is still relevant after 5 years.
What about Final Cut Pro for iPad? I wish you had addressed that so Apple listens
TOKYObrah that would be amazing! That is, if it doesn’t have a crazy battery life drain
TOKYObrah trust me, their watching lol...
Lol when did apple ever listen🤣🤣...I think you need to seriously wake up
If they did listen,they would have got the headphone jack(there were literally millions of people who wanted that)..and this is coming from a iPhone X user
1. Apple doesn't listen. If they would, they wouldn't be anywhere near the position they are now.
2. Final Cut without mouse? Good luck.
Creeper Mishra when MKBHD addressed the lack of pro level computers, Apple announced the iMac Pro and next gen trashcan MAC that very month after not saying anything for years
Apple limits the potential of Ipad just so people buy MacBook also.
agreed otherwise people won't buy MacBook
I wonder if people manage to Jailbreak that iPad, will it unlock the potential of the USB-C and do a lot of other cool things?
Angus What the fuck, no one above said that Apple makes most their money from only macbooks or ipads?
Like, I am an Apple User, trust me. I am probably the first to defend them
But I dont think I can defend the new Apple Business Strategy. IE: Rerelease a new product every year just marginally better, use ‘features’ from android, and limit it all under ITunes.
The only two things I love about the new IPad and I will probably get it for is the new keyboard and Apple Pencil
That is it.
/rant over
Edit: Also the specs for this ipad is good, but alot of Android Tablets you can get better specs for the same price
Generally
Heck, even the new Surface is comparable to the IPad spec and feature wise.
yup ,apple still dosnt know how to make a proper tablet like samsung and microsoft can so they still sell a shitty underpowered macbook air lol
Yatin Jethi imagine if they’d put MacOS on it...Wouldn’t that just make it a MacBook? Lol
Great Job reviewing the Ipad pro. Thx You.
This is one of the best tech reviews I’ve ever seen
who else here to see how much MKBHD puts effort in his video?
I'm here for that magnetic paper
I always sit back, relax and appreciate the 16k quality of his vids😂😂
easily the best RUclipsr
@@us3445 16k? Shit. got to upgrade my display
In Singapore, we have many millionaires that can afford the fastest sports cars but we are limited by a a 50 miles per hour speed limit.
CMJ1989 That’s very relevant to the video
@@johnmcfads5304 it actually is
@@johnmcfads5304 Think about it for a second
@@johnmcfads5304 that last name tho
@@johnmcfads5304 it actually is if you could use your brain and think bout it
Great reviews. Thanks
Loved it buying it right now amazing product
4:02 guess Marques middle name, hint: starts with a (K)
Thats Kumar.....
Keith
Karl
Koby 😂
Kavin.
Apple needs to make an iPadOS or something
Vanburen Studios Or put MacOS on there with lots of touch functionality like Windows is doing.
Project Marzipan is the answer to this
No.
@@PomuLeafEveryday iOS is based off macOS. You can't just install it on an iPad because it's ARM-based, while macOS is designed for x86 (Intel) systems.
@@PomuLeafEveryday Windows 10 is also terrible.
Nice lighting equipment! :)
I love watching this now, knowing they basically improved/fixed everything your said that was bad
That magnet paper is proof that we live in the future
oh yeah and I guess the iPad too
The fact that magnet paper is more impressive than a super tablet is proof enough for me
Then it seems like we've been living in the future since 40 years
Magnet paper has been around for a while have you never put iron filings on a plastic sheet and put it over a magnet I done that like my first year of secondary school/high school
Apple wants you to buy an iPad AND a MacBook, not just one of them. That is why I doubt Apple will go into making the iPad (and iOS) so that it can actually replace a laptop. No mouse/trackpad support, no support for external storage, no multi-user. If these do not come with iOS 13 next year, then you can be sure Apple will not go that way before many years. Not before Apple is ready to dump the portable Mac completely. The Mac period. And that will not come soon. You will have Apple ARM Macs someday, and iOS apps that will run in macOS, but you will never have macOS run on an iPad. This would be "suiciding" the Mac from Apple.
Wrong. If you really need MacOS, there is no need to buy an iPad. Macbooks are incredibly portable. This Apple greed argument makes zero sense. You are a hater. Simple. What iPad does, it does like no other device. And that means running iOS on a big screen with multi-tasking. And now yeah, superb games and Photoshop.
@@tushar8998 this is pretty greedy on apples part, your getting hardware on this tablet that rivals and could out preform the macbook. So why not have full mac OS? that's like Lamborghini putting a 80mph speed limit on their cars. Hardware then becomes useless. Why not ditch the macbook air replace it with the iPad and offer full macOS. Is it because they dont wanna miss out on robbing some ignorant fools?
Paul Van Obberghen I feel like right now, if anyone was in the market for a Mac book or Mac book air, they could easily save 400-700 dollars and buy the baseline iPad Pro 11 inch or the budget iPad Apple introduced at the education event or even last years 10.5 inch iPad Pro.
The average consumer in the market for a 600$-800$ notebook is more than likely looking for a machine to complete basic tasks such as:
-editing word documents
-editing excel sheets
-consuming digital media
-light photo or video editing
-checking email
-making power point presentations
-using social media
All of these things can easily be performed on this years and last years iPads. Sure you might have to adapt to a slightly different work flow and buy a Bluetooth keyboard if you’re doing a ton of writing. Maybe you need a very specific desktop app for work that has no replacement on the iPad, that’s understandable too. However with the Microsoft office suite Available, the google work suite available, apples own document editing software available, and now a few adobe apps being ported over, its easier than ever for most people to replace their plastic 400$-700$ “netbook” with an iPad.
I agree with your point that Apple won’t give users a desktop experience on the iPad anytime soon because it could cannibalize their MacBook and MacBook Air sales, maybe even the 13 inch MacBook Pro sales... and that really sucks! I’d love it if it was apples product lineup consisted of iPad pros and MacBook pros only, cutting out the lower end notebooks and replacing them with iPads is the future. Unfortunately with the big MacBook Air refresh it’ll be another few years before that happens, like you said.
I kind of babbled on for a while but initially reading your comment AND watching MKBHD’s review I just wanted to point out that Apple isn’t necessarily gunning for iPads to replace MacBook pros and other 1500$-2000$ laptops yet. Right now they’re aiming for netbooks and sub 1000$ laptops. To me they’ve already done a superb job of getting their iPads to replace most of the products in that segment, which is an accomplishment and a big step towards iPads replacing laptops all together!
OB3 STA Basically, you are saying that Apple’s hardware is really good and hence they are greedy? MacOS is a different platform with a UI designed to be used with a keyboard and a trackpad, to do other things. Do you have any clue what it’s gonna take to run MacOS with touch, especially since Apple is so uncompromising on user experience.Also, Apple’s processors are designed for iOS. Just because Apple has gotten really good at it, doesn’t mean you run MacOS on it. It means to push iOS to do more, and that doesn’t mean that it needs to be like MacOS. There’s AR and content creation and what not that can be done so well on an iOS device with a big screen. MacOS is a desktop OS. Don’t be confused here. iOS replacing a laptop is not the same as iOS replacing MacOS or Windows.
@@tushar8998 who said they had to run MacOS with touch? All they have to add is a keyboard with a touchpad (easy) or mouse support (even easier) Im not saying IOS should replace MacOS. IOS should be strictly for iphone since an iphone running MacOS would be slow as shit and difficult to use. But an ipad could run it very well, it could even incorporate IOS features the same way a Macbook does. Im not saying they're greedy because they have good hardware im saying they're greedy because they sacrifice user interface and productivity to keep their pockets fat. Thats the reason apple products cost so much, because most are proprietary and can only be made by apple be it software or hardware.
I went out to get this iPad today and I absolutely love it! I believe I won’t need a pc or Mac anymore with this one! Thanks for the review!
You are amazing in your reviews...always !, hope to buy the smaller one.
I think the iPad Pros should have MacOS. At least a ‘light’ version of it.
IDOIT 119 at LEAST lol
IDOIT 119 next year
If you ever used the early iOS versions you would know it has been inching its way since before the iPhone 3GS. Back in the day, I had to jailbreak for simple things like "folders" or a right click option. A light version of MacOS is iOS.
Do you know that's actually iOS?
Agreed!!!
It's like putting Cristiano Ronaldo in a local football team.
Gokul Manohar perfect analogy
Yeah
Yeah but Apple could actually update the software if they wanted to.
Gokul Manohar k
@@JackBauerwashere yeah and I could build a house if I wanted to
the point is they don't
Awesome, this review is what I exact think of iPad Pro
i watch these videos and then want an ipad pro but then i look at the price and i’m like “never mind”
An updated iOS won’t make the iPad the greatest device ever. A new OS dedicated to the iPad will.
Optimus27 I feel like macOS won’t work as good as having a separate OS for the iPad Pro
Optimus27 they need a fusion between iOS and macOS.
Onkar Dogra Not necessarily- I could see iOS getting enough features to make it work for the iPad. They’ve already helped it a lot in the past couple years, they just need to keep going.
Glenn Canning Not really. The iPad has always just felt like a big iPhone for me. Despite any of the improvements they’ve made, they have never been able to make it feel like anything but a bigger iPhone. They need to make a proper OS that gives users full advantage of traditional computing devices. I’d love to have an iPad Pro as my main mobile device if it ran macOS and I could develop software on it. But... I can’t. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Trevor Moses
Or...iPad PrOS 😏
What a professional review! Just perfect!
I really like marquess . His reviews are epic and genuine . Even I was thinking to replace my iPad as my only laptop . After watching this review I have second thoughts should I or should I not . Since I discovered him I 'm binge watching Fernando silva and Marques Brownlee. I really like their RUclips channels
Kudos to both of them
Outstanding presentation. I was on the edge on buying one but, I think I am. Thank you
Ok so his middle name is kanye
ipad "kanye" pro
OK
LOL!
4:04 Marques *Keith* Brownlee
- sorry for the spoiler
Dheeraj DC ?
Keiran maybe?
Wow its already Jam 2023 and this 2018 iPad pro still rocks! Love the type of power you get with these tablets
I’m getting one of these for school soon with the Apple Pencil, and I can’t wait
Metal head bro yoeward Same here!
Great review as always, Marques Krillin Brownlee.
Now I can finally rest in peace that even though I don't have the money I am not missing anything
Shocking it’s been over 5 years we’re at M4 and same issue plaguing them
Anyway on the bright side, my iPad won’t be redundant for almost a decade
10:30 Looks like the final form already arrived (iPadOS), it could replace the macbook’s file management, would you agree?