ultimateframedata.com has a list of every character's moves and frame advantage. Know your main's fastest options as benchmarks for if you can punish a move or not
The second tip really helped. I find myself staying above my above my opponent and landing on or near him and I always got punished and lost stocks because of it. I'm going to try getting to the ledge from now on. It's a great way to get out of disadvantage.
Dude these videos have been really helpful to me already. I'm a prior Melee and Brawl player (Peach main) and just got into Smash Ultimate recently. I've got a long road ahead of me but thank you for all the help tips!
Hope you guys found this helpful! What other videos should I make next? 5 Bad habits part 1: ruclips.net/video/2c8J7VE5LbY/видео.html 5 Bad habits part 2:ruclips.net/video/TMX0m2nUxSM/видео.html improve your movement: ruclips.net/video/L30sLmV3Dps/видео.html
The only time I don't feel naughty using dair is when I feign a landing to bait a forward smash/tilt and dair to stall and punish the extended hurtbox point-blank
Hey jtails, great advice! These are leaks ive identified, but dont always remember to work on. So, could you do a video about frame data? More precisely, what im looking for when looking at frame data. Am i specifically comparing to other players? How do i know its safe on shield? Because being negative plus ending lag is less that 11? Or is it character dependent based on jab or fastest move. Should i compare my main to basically everyone? Etc. Thank you so much for the quality tips
I love this series of videos! 😍 All the tips from these videos have helped me identify my major mistakes and make adjustments (I didn't realize that I unconsciously did these while playing). I also a now more aware that many online opponents do many of these bad habits such as burning double jumps and just throwing out moves without any reason. When I was a more inexperienced Smash player, I used to panic when I was at high damage, but now I just access each situation and read for free punishes on the opponent. Thanks! This is great stuff, JTails! 😊
I be trying to catch double jumps so much that I do it even if I know they won’t, I’ve made a bad habit long before you suggested doing more of what my own bad habit is LOL
Thanks for this video. Both previous Bad habbits videos weren't so useful for me but this one was what I really needed. Keep up the good and useful work.
When tou demonstrated the part where caption falcon shielded the down smash and let go of shield was a habit I have when I play with my brother Edit: that second reason was so accurate on what I did. I kept thinking that "Oh im in the air and I can get out the combo and land with Dair because it'll hit him" but that git me punished Edit 3: that 3rd reason is.me but reversed, I double jump and get myself killed
Jtails, I've noticed a lot of people improving online since you've started posting these videos. Ive learned a lot from these and love utilizing the up bs out of shield. I love all your smash videos, but these tutorials are my favorites.
I need to get out of the habits of trying to wave dash and L cancel. Haven't played since the Melee days and seems the skill level has been dumbed down a bit. This is the best smash since Melee though.
I agree with everything that's being said on safety on shield tips, however, if my math isn't bad and Ruben's calculator is accurate, the example with ZSS's down smash and actual data of safety on shield is that the move is -15 or -16 on block (depending on which hitbox is the one that hits the shield), which means Falcon has 15 frames of advantage,. Shield dropping is 11 frames so Falcon has 4-5 frames to punish that action assuming everything is frame perfect. At the same time, this means he has 15-16 frames to punish it by cancelling the shield with a jump oos (frame 3 jumpsquat + doing an aerial of sorts, granted Falcon doesn't have great aerials to punish things oos) to punish with an aerial or an up b oos (frame 14). So in reality the move isn't 100% safe on shield. I understand that some moves have shield pushback properties which make them safer on shield even if they aren't but I think that's worth mentioning in the video, for example, if we were to do a frame by frame analysis of this situation Falcon would be able to throw out his jab before ZSS jab, but it most likely wouldn't reach because down smash has more range if spaced and Falcon would be too far away. Regardless you encourage good oos options that aren't dropping shield after a safe attack is thrown out which is definitely the best thing to do.
This is very true. Though I think those frame perfect punishes, even offline are extremely unrealistic/unreliable. I think players should go for guarantees when they try to punish moves out of shield, especially in this game ultimate. but yeah shield push and distance of the move is also another important factor like you said that frame data doesn't account for. Obviously I'm speaking generally in my habits video, and for the general player, having good practices will for sure increase their win rate. Case by case basis based on falcon's jab, vs gdorf jab for punishing out of shield is a harder analysis. haha I could have talked 15 minutes on this topic alone since it has so much depth, maybe I'll just do a dedicated video to talk about safe/unsafe moves, and why some things are punishable and some aren't in spite of frame data. good feedback!
incredible video I watch the content of your channel even if I don't speak English and it has helped me to see your channel to improve and correct bad habits, I also like your competitive wolf video
I've been doing the landing on the opponent thing for too long now. I know not to do but the 1 time it works out of like 10 or 20 tries makes it worth it right...right....
Safe on shield guide next jtails? I understand how it works, but I'm not quite sure which moves are safe. Is it specific to the defending character's shield?
see i still have trouble with moves safe on shield because of the transition from smash 4 where shield was so good in that game and you could punish basically anything out of shield to where now you can basically get hit with an fsmash try to punish and just get jabbed so it’s that smash 4 habit of being able to punish everything that it messes me up in ultimate
true, most fsmashes are punishable with just a few exceptions, like wolf, gdorf, sonic, mario. but yeah I get what you mean. just a matter of knowing exactly which moves are and aren't safe! through trial and error
I still dont understand how people can play online without having invested at least 5 hours on each character in order to know their gravitational influence, weight class and move options. They are only getting wrecked, becoming frustrated and dropping the game. Either you learn to abuse or every win is a fluke. Thanks as always for the advices! I cherish your efforts.
J please keep doing these videos, i play this game competitively casual (cuz i don't have the money to buy the game) and you have helped me improve A LOT.
I got a Nintendo Switch USB ethernet adaptor recently. Haven't tested it out too much just yet but so far it's reduced the lag quite a bit. It's definitely not as frequent.
That last one I definitely see a lot and yeah. Not good to be doing especially if your opponent is playing with a character with a good projectile. Samus WILL fire that fully charged shot if you try to do this and it’s probably going to hit during at least one of your vulnerability periods when throwing out those attacks. Then you got characters like Ivysaur who will get a variety of combos and setups out of their projectiles.
Video: These video will benefit you even in casual play Also Video: Stop going for untrue combos Me: Not everyone knows what combos are true, ESPECIALLY casual players. I feel like actively studying for true combos to rely on and intentionally not attempting unconfirmed true combos is the same as taking your first big step out of casual play 😐
9:00 kurogane hammer is trash for smash ultimate, they are missing over half the cast's frame data. Go to ultimateframedata.com, they are way better. They have everything kurogane hammer does and more
@@danytalksmusic Idk if either of them have an app, but on kuroganehammer's website like 40 character's frame data is missing while ultimateframedata already has Terry's
On #5 when they’re at high percent I know that they’ll get desperate so I smash attack because they always run into it. That’s a way you can easily get a kill.
Jtails, I think your videos are very informative and helpful. However, I think the production quality is a bit lacking. For example, the audio of this video is entirely in the left stereo channel. The rest of the things I notice are mostly nitpicks, like a weird cut at the beginning and the ancient "click" sound effect that you use. I don't mean to be rude or anything, I just think some cleanup would make your videos even better! :)
2:55 This practice actually can be bad at times due how they can seem to grab you after while you're still in shield stun. This comment comes from this very thing actually happening to me before. 7:03 While not common, during online play, latency can also snuff combos. Doesn't detract from the tip in a way though.
1. no you can always roll or spot dodge buffer out of moves that have a lot of shield stun. that grab they do isn't true. 2. facts lol I despise latency
@@JulesTrades I wonder if I can replicate the exact situation with the grab to show you. Of course it did happen about 2 patches ago, so maybe it won't work now?
recovering stays a thing..i do not find using the moves hard, but to read how my opponent is deciding to keep me from getting back/to take the stock stays a thing for me and i cannot get this right most of the time against good players >~> and i hate characters with good spikes..i swear they REALLY annoy me -.-
starting off with an example of getting punished because you arent familiar with which moves are safe on shield or not isnt a bad habit, its lack of game knowledge... really doesnt fit the title of the vid. Still a great video regardless, always love your content
This is true, but the habit is that regardless of what moves hit shield, people will always try to shield grab. It's a constant habit, whether it's due to lack of knowledge or not. I agree with you! Though figured this would be a good time to explain what safe moves even are.
A GREAT app to get on android is ultimate frame data. I don't know if there is an ios app for it but this app not only has frame data it has stats like characters weight (and all the other info like that), best out of shield options for each character, and they are in the process of adding hit box viewers for each character. They don't have them for all characters but for a good number of them so if you are in a tournament and know what your opponent's main is you can try and get a little info on that character before hand.
Ive had this app for a while, and im starting to get into frame data. I just never knew what to know about the data. I just checked, didnt have those hitboxes before. Thats sick. Def gunna use it more now, always wondered about that
@@chieffanLJ27 Its an awesome tool to have. The hitboxes are a new thing and they are being added quickly. The one hot box I really want to see though is R&W down smash. That thing must have som huge hit boxes.
Thank you for your videos . Thanks to your suggestions I was able to bring my characters in smash . I am struggling with kirby and megaman tho . Could you make a guide for them ? Thanks and keep doin the good job.
@@josephfrunzi4606 I have over 7000 matches with him . And I am here in Japan . Played in europe and the skill difference is very high . But thanks for the suggestion
Some people say he's the worst character but I believe this to be the most balanced smash game ever. In the right hands any character is viable! But yeah the learning curve is harsh.
wait so what should I do when something is safe on shield? You said try rolling, but it can get predictable. So what else can I do? Letting go can get me hit, and staying in can get me shield poked, so the only thing I got is rolling and spot-dodging right?
you can jump out of your shield. you can press jump while still holding shield. You can stay in the same spot holding shield. you can drop shield and walk away, so many different options. the biggest thing is you have to mix them up well. most of the time if something is safe on shield, opponent wont be able to always react to how you escape, you can try attacking if you want, or rolling in a different direction. you just have to mix.
really nice video jtails! i agree with that concept with "kill them late and stay safe" but my friend plays lucario. if i stay to save he is gonna kill me at 40 how can i Deal with that ?:(
A video on interpreting frame data would be awesome. I read a ton about it and labbed a ton of stuff, and have had people explain it to me. Generally I think I get the concepts of frame advantage and such, but then I see your first point, go to ultimateframedata.com/zero_suit_samus.php, look at downsmash and get really confused. From the frame data it doesnt seem to be safe on shield at all (but it clearly is in your video). How do I read this so that what I see on screen and how I'm thinking about the numbers line up?
eh not really, but once they use their double jump, you know they have no more options and have to come down, so you can punish them on landing more easily.
Can you please make a video that can help with my dedede, meta knight, and kirby. Kirby im best with. Meta knight most of my deaths are sd's. And dedede is a middle ground and would probaly be a better main. Also i use pro controller or joycons attached to switch. And yes i am kind of bad and these aren't high class but i just want to be better at them. I have beat dk-dark samus and lucas 9cpu (i haven't tried the laters and i am having trouble with mario) with my kirby
Levl 9 CPUs aren't good practice. They really don't act like real human beings. They mostly just react to things and more often then not don't know how to get out of strings.
@@mattbergz2791 I figured he'd want an honest opinion. It would suck to spend a ton of time fighting CPUs to then get beat by your IRL friends. And not even know what you're doing wrong.
yeah but good players or people who understand the situation usually avoid this and punish the option. because 95% of the time you knock someone in the air, they hit a button instead of trying to land safely. so with this knowledge just respect their button and punish them over and over and over. I do this in all my elite smash videos
People in your comment section really hates Zero for some reason , Not just this video , but every tutorial video you make , people bring up zero and then more dogpiles , is there any beef between you and zero Jtails ? I'm new to smash and neither of you seem like bad person.
Well you have to understand that a majority of my viewers ask me questions like "How do I use Little Mac's K.O. punch" "what does DI mean?" "What's a fair or dair? what is that?" I have to break things down to the most basic point because my audience generally isn't a tournament or competitive player. A lot are also young children. So I try to break things down easiest to learn for everyone. If you are at a higher level then it likely doesn't apply to you.
@@JulesTrades Oh okay. I want to let you know that I am grateful that you are making guides like this. Merely complaining literally undermines the blessings we all have. Thank you. Edit: people are willing to ask questions just to elicit a reaction. People probably hate how confusing fair and dair are, or point out pointless observations just to get back at people, etc. Just another possibility
Oh hi Jtails, As a player who knows about these things I feel like each time i get a notification I see stuff I know, you feel me. I feel like alot of time goes to these kind of videos(thats good). But you know your sub box has ppl like me who have been here since sm4sh(didnt have account back then sorry I failed you) and know all of these little. If every once in a while we got videos that was directed at ppl like us then I would be happy. Every time I see a TOP 5 MISTAKES A BEGINNER SHOULD STOP I feel a pang and wonder when a video aimed at ppl like me will come out
MarvinTheGamer ssf2 His channel is built at helping people. Most people that need help are beginners. If you know all there is to know then all you should be doing is watching pro replays for deeper insight. Or just enjoy jtails elite smash vids. Some people expect the moon on a stick from content creators.
My Left ear loves this vid :)
Oh thank goodness it's not just me.
Hmm, mine's OK. I wonder what's going on...
It's asmsmash
How the Hell is anyone not liking this gentlemen's videos? I am learning so much from you, I find you extremely informative. Screw the haters!
The thing I struggle with here his knowing what moves aren't safe on shield.
ultimateframedata.com has a list of every character's moves and frame advantage. Know your main's fastest options as benchmarks for if you can punish a move or not
Mario, Wolf, Fox, Zero Suit, Yoshi are characters I struggle against because they have safe smash attacks.
@@octopustophat8871 thanks
@@edwardfontaine7108 I just need to know when to stay in shield
Zero talks about moves, Jtails teaches.
Letrus100 Zero only talks about moves when he isn’t talking about how he was the best smash 4 player
@@bobwilliams8940 When was the last time you watched Zero?
Spupa lol I know he doesn’t do that anymore
Thank you so much! I watched all three of this series immediately went and won my first 5 games!!
The second tip really helped. I find myself staying above my above my opponent and landing on or near him and I always got punished and lost stocks because of it. I'm going to try getting to the ledge from now on. It's a great way to get out of disadvantage.
Dude these videos have been really helpful to me already. I'm a prior Melee and Brawl player (Peach main) and just got into Smash Ultimate recently. I've got a long road ahead of me but thank you for all the help tips!
Hope you guys found this helpful! What other videos should I make next?
5 Bad habits part 1: ruclips.net/video/2c8J7VE5LbY/видео.html
5 Bad habits part 2:ruclips.net/video/TMX0m2nUxSM/видео.html
improve your movement: ruclips.net/video/L30sLmV3Dps/видео.html
*See Toon Link's dair in the thumbnail and sweats*
JTAILS PLEASE IT'S AN ADDICTION OR A MISCALCULATION MAN XD
The only time I don't feel naughty using dair is when I feign a landing to bait a forward smash/tilt and dair to stall and punish the extended hurtbox point-blank
every other time I either get punished or feel like my opponent is letting me get away with murder
It's so satisfying to get ☺️
Hey jtails, great advice! These are leaks ive identified, but dont always remember to work on.
So, could you do a video about frame data? More precisely, what im looking for when looking at frame data. Am i specifically comparing to other players? How do i know its safe on shield? Because being negative plus ending lag is less that 11? Or is it character dependent based on jab or fastest move. Should i compare my main to basically everyone? Etc.
Thank you so much for the quality tips
These videos are the most helpful Smash videos on RUclips. Easily.
"Did you see what I did wrong there?"
Ah shit, here we go again.
very helpful tips! especially reading double jumps, i havent thought about that too much before but i can see how useful thatll be! thank you :)
I am so surprised how much of these I do , thanks so much Jtails !!
I love this series of videos! 😍 All the tips from these videos have helped me identify my major mistakes and make adjustments (I didn't realize that I unconsciously did these while playing). I also a now more aware that many online opponents do many of these bad habits such as burning double jumps and just throwing out moves without any reason. When I was a more inexperienced Smash player, I used to panic when I was at high damage, but now I just access each situation and read for free punishes on the opponent. Thanks! This is great stuff, JTails! 😊
I be trying to catch double jumps so much that I do it even if I know they won’t, I’ve made a bad habit long before you suggested doing more of what my own bad habit is LOL
Thanks for this video. Both previous Bad habbits videos weren't so useful for me but this one was what I really needed.
Keep up the good and useful work.
I’m so glad I trained myself to read double jumps, it really helped me with tournaments
When tou demonstrated the part where caption falcon shielded the down smash and let go of shield was a habit I have when I play with my brother
Edit: that second reason was so accurate on what I did. I kept thinking that "Oh im in the air and I can get out the combo and land with Dair because it'll hit him" but that git me punished
Edit 3: that 3rd reason is.me but reversed, I double jump and get myself killed
Jtails, I've noticed a lot of people improving online since you've started posting these videos.
Ive learned a lot from these and love utilizing the up bs out of shield.
I love all your smash videos, but these tutorials are my favorites.
My left ear loves this video
6:32 ayy SFXT music
I need to get out of the habits of trying to wave dash and L cancel. Haven't played since the Melee days and seems the skill level has been dumbed down a bit. This is the best smash since Melee though.
I agree with everything that's being said on safety on shield tips, however, if my math isn't bad and Ruben's calculator is accurate, the example with ZSS's down smash and actual data of safety on shield is that the move is -15 or -16 on block (depending on which hitbox is the one that hits the shield), which means Falcon has 15 frames of advantage,. Shield dropping is 11 frames so Falcon has 4-5 frames to punish that action assuming everything is frame perfect. At the same time, this means he has 15-16 frames to punish it by cancelling the shield with a jump oos (frame 3 jumpsquat + doing an aerial of sorts, granted Falcon doesn't have great aerials to punish things oos) to punish with an aerial or an up b oos (frame 14). So in reality the move isn't 100% safe on shield. I understand that some moves have shield pushback properties which make them safer on shield even if they aren't but I think that's worth mentioning in the video, for example, if we were to do a frame by frame analysis of this situation Falcon would be able to throw out his jab before ZSS jab, but it most likely wouldn't reach because down smash has more range if spaced and Falcon would be too far away. Regardless you encourage good oos options that aren't dropping shield after a safe attack is thrown out which is definitely the best thing to do.
This is very true.
Though I think those frame perfect punishes, even offline are extremely unrealistic/unreliable. I think players should go for guarantees when they try to punish moves out of shield, especially in this game ultimate.
but yeah shield push and distance of the move is also another important factor like you said that frame data doesn't account for. Obviously I'm speaking generally in my habits video, and for the general player, having good practices will for sure increase their win rate. Case by case basis based on falcon's jab, vs gdorf jab for punishing out of shield is a harder analysis.
haha I could have talked 15 minutes on this topic alone since it has so much depth, maybe I'll just do a dedicated video to talk about safe/unsafe moves, and why some things are punishable and some aren't in spite of frame data.
good feedback!
incredible video I watch the content of your channel even if I don't speak English and it has helped me to see your channel to improve and correct bad habits, I also like your competitive wolf video
Hey I'm happy you find it helpful!! and that you see improvements :) I also speak spanish and a tiny bit of german
@@JulesTrades I can only speak a little English and Spanish, which is my mother tongue, thanks for the advice you give
I've been doing the landing on the opponent thing for too long now. I know not to do but the 1 time it works out of like 10 or 20 tries makes it worth it right...right....
Safe on shield guide next jtails? I understand how it works, but I'm not quite sure which moves are safe. Is it specific to the defending character's shield?
@@a.n2276 great tip for mixing up spacing against swordies, will use. thanks lol
After playing Ultimate for a year, my #1 worst habit was trying to input-buffer everything when I went back to Melee. It was like I couldn't move.
see i still have trouble with moves safe on shield because of the transition from smash 4 where shield was so good in that game and you could punish basically anything out of shield to where now you can basically get hit with an fsmash try to punish and just get jabbed so it’s that smash 4 habit of being able to punish everything that it messes me up in ultimate
true, most fsmashes are punishable with just a few exceptions, like wolf, gdorf, sonic, mario. but yeah I get what you mean.
just a matter of knowing exactly which moves are and aren't safe! through trial and error
@@JulesTrades Though I have had happen where some moves inflict so much shield stun that they can grab you for free afterwards.
I still dont understand how people can play online without having invested at least 5 hours on each character in order to know their gravitational influence, weight class and move options. They are only getting wrecked, becoming frustrated and dropping the game. Either you learn to abuse or every win is a fluke.
Thanks as always for the advices! I cherish your efforts.
Toni Ton bc that’s boring
not everyone is a hardcore competitive player online..remember it's ONLINE you will be fighting different people :l
@Jtails Thanks dude, I learned that I made quite a few mistakes through your videos :)
What does tilt mean and how do you use it ?
J please keep doing these videos, i play this game competitively casual (cuz i don't have the money to buy the game) and you have helped me improve A LOT.
For me I found impossible to true combo online due to the big amount of lag...
KakuraZenom same here, I’m able to do the true combos offline in friendlies but I’m nowhere as consistent online
I got a Nintendo Switch USB ethernet adaptor recently. Haven't tested it out too much just yet but so far it's reduced the lag quite a bit. It's definitely not as frequent.
@@Ratspressoh Would love to have one but my box is not in the same room 😭
That last one I definitely see a lot and yeah.
Not good to be doing especially if your opponent is playing with a character with a good projectile. Samus WILL fire that fully charged shot if you try to do this and it’s probably going to hit during at least one of your vulnerability periods when throwing out those attacks.
Then you got characters like Ivysaur who will get a variety of combos and setups out of their projectiles.
I would add using too many high risk high reward moves in neutral to this list
63skarduken - that’s a good one
Good content as always.
thank you!! :)
With the second one you cant always do that because faster characters will see that and punish you for it
My ZSS friend did that dsmash then up b when I dropped shield a few days ago. I had no idea it was safe on shield.
Love these vids. Thanks man
I'm really bad about the dair bit, because I main Ganondorf and his dair is really strong...
Video: These video will benefit you even in casual play
Also Video: Stop going for untrue combos
Me: Not everyone knows what combos are true, ESPECIALLY casual players. I feel like actively studying for true combos to rely on and intentionally not attempting unconfirmed true combos is the same as taking your first big step out of casual play 😐
Bro that BGM reminds me of MK vs SF. Good stuff
Yup! You know your stuff, that's exactly where it's from :)
9:00 kurogane hammer is trash for smash ultimate, they are missing over half the cast's frame data. Go to ultimateframedata.com, they are way better. They have everything kurogane hammer does and more
Do they have an app though??
@@danytalksmusic Idk if either of them have an app, but on kuroganehammer's website like 40 character's frame data is missing while ultimateframedata already has Terry's
I love being called out
On #5 when they’re at high percent I know that they’ll get desperate so I smash attack because they always run into it.
That’s a way you can easily get a kill.
Jtails, I think your videos are very informative and helpful. However, I think the production quality is a bit lacking. For example, the audio of this video is entirely in the left stereo channel. The rest of the things I notice are mostly nitpicks, like a weird cut at the beginning and the ancient "click" sound effect that you use. I don't mean to be rude or anything, I just think some cleanup would make your videos even better! :)
2:55 This practice actually can be bad at times due how they can seem to grab you after while you're still in shield stun.
This comment comes from this very thing actually happening to me before.
7:03 While not common, during online play, latency can also snuff combos. Doesn't detract from the tip in a way though.
1. no you can always roll or spot dodge buffer out of moves that have a lot of shield stun. that grab they do isn't true.
2. facts lol I despise latency
@@JulesTrades I wonder if I can replicate the exact situation with the grab to show you. Of course it did happen about 2 patches ago, so maybe it won't work now?
recovering stays a thing..i do not find using the moves hard, but to read how my opponent is deciding to keep me from getting back/to take the stock stays a thing for me and i cannot get this right most of the time against good players >~> and i hate characters with good spikes..i swear they REALLY annoy me -.-
starting off with an example of getting punished because you arent familiar with which moves are safe on shield or not isnt a bad habit, its lack of game knowledge... really doesnt fit the title of the vid. Still a great video regardless, always love your content
This is true, but the habit is that regardless of what moves hit shield, people will always try to shield grab. It's a constant habit, whether it's due to lack of knowledge or not.
I agree with you! Though figured this would be a good time to explain what safe moves even are.
A GREAT app to get on android is ultimate frame data. I don't know if there is an ios app for it but this app not only has frame data it has stats like characters weight (and all the other info like that), best out of shield options for each character, and they are in the process of adding hit box viewers for each character. They don't have them for all characters but for a good number of them so if you are in a tournament and know what your opponent's main is you can try and get a little info on that character before hand.
Ive had this app for a while, and im starting to get into frame data. I just never knew what to know about the data.
I just checked, didnt have those hitboxes before. Thats sick. Def gunna use it more now, always wondered about that
Link?
@@chieffanLJ27 Its an awesome tool to have. The hitboxes are a new thing and they are being added quickly. The one hot box I really want to see though is R&W down smash. That thing must have som huge hit boxes.
@@divinearclight It is ultimateframedata dot com. Since this is youtube, it probably isn't showing the link I posted in my first reply.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 Thank you, my friend, much appreciated!
The problem I have is everytime I shield they just grab
Thank you for your videos . Thanks to your suggestions I was able to bring my characters in smash . I am struggling with kirby and megaman tho . Could you make a guide for them ? Thanks and keep doin the good job.
Kirby is extremely hard to learn because of his slow air speed. But learning his spacing can land amazing combos. Check out juggleboy for kirby tips!
@@josephfrunzi4606 I have over 7000 matches with him . And I am here in Japan . Played in europe and the skill difference is very high . But thanks for the suggestion
Some people say he's the worst character but I believe this to be the most balanced smash game ever. In the right hands any character is viable! But yeah the learning curve is harsh.
wait so what should I do when something is safe on shield? You said try rolling, but it can get predictable. So what else can I do? Letting go can get me hit, and staying in can get me shield poked, so the only thing I got is rolling and spot-dodging right?
you can jump out of your shield. you can press jump while still holding shield.
You can stay in the same spot holding shield.
you can drop shield and walk away, so many different options. the biggest thing is you have to mix them up well. most of the time if something is safe on shield, opponent wont be able to always react to how you escape, you can try attacking if you want, or rolling in a different direction.
you just have to mix.
@@JulesTrades Thanks for the reply!
I'll keep those options in mind, I think I just have trouble choosing the right one for the situation.
About stale moves: if you stale the back air and then use fair once, does the bair go back to normal?
you have to use 10 other moves, THEN the bair will be fresh. or use 1 move, 10 times.
really nice video jtails! i agree with that concept with "kill them late and stay safe" but my friend plays lucario. if i stay to save he is gonna kill me at 40 how can i Deal with that ?:(
Best is to go early for edgeguards, first Lucario's Recovery isn't that good then and he can die early.
I found this video extremely useful 😂
what is the video that you talk about ledge recovery options?
I was confused at that thumbnail for a few minutes before I realized that it was just 2 sentences
Time and time again
A video on interpreting frame data would be awesome. I read a ton about it and labbed a ton of stuff, and have had people explain it to me. Generally I think I get the concepts of frame advantage and such, but then I see your first point, go to ultimateframedata.com/zero_suit_samus.php, look at downsmash and get really confused. From the frame data it doesnt seem to be safe on shield at all (but it clearly is in your video). How do I read this so that what I see on screen and how I'm thinking about the numbers line up?
Does anyone know the name of the song playing in the first part while he’s talking about unsafe/safe options?
Can I punish the double jumps as Little Mac?
eh not really, but once they use their double jump, you know they have no more options and have to come down, so you can punish them on landing more easily.
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True. Little Mac is good at that and his down smash is well suited for edge guarding.
I don't usually comment on any videos, but this needs to be pointed out. Just what the hell is Fox doing with Lucina? 9:15
punishing her high commitment moves!
Can you please make a video that can help with my dedede, meta knight, and kirby. Kirby im best with. Meta knight most of my deaths are sd's. And dedede is a middle ground and would probaly be a better main. Also i use pro controller or joycons attached to switch. And yes i am kind of bad and these aren't high class but i just want to be better at them. I have beat dk-dark samus and lucas 9cpu (i haven't tried the laters and i am having trouble with mario) with my kirby
J3diSt3v3 I suggest watching d3nsity for dedede tips. He’s a very good d3 main and his videos are really informative
J3diSt3v3 if youre beating lvl 9 cpus then youre insane at the game no need to improve
Levl 9 CPUs aren't good practice. They really don't act like real human beings. They mostly just react to things and more often then not don't know how to get out of strings.
Patrick its obviously a lil kid writing that comment leave him alone😂
@@mattbergz2791 I figured he'd want an honest opinion. It would suck to spend a ton of time fighting CPUs to then get beat by your IRL friends. And not even know what you're doing wrong.
How does he say Zero Suit Samus’s down smash is safe in shield? Why is it -15/-16 on shield then? What am I missing here?
Characters have different ranges
It says in the frame data that zero suit samus is -15 on sheild when doing down smash...isnt that unsafe? Was she nerfed since this video was put up?
As long as you space it decently, doesn't even have to be perfectly, it's totally safe.
@@JulesTrades thanks for the reply...ill take your word for it....your a pro and im a noob
This thumbnail is attacking me so hard
techno dancing daisy
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What is the audio mixing in this video
Well for number 2 if the opponent doesnt respect your option theyre gonna get hit no matter what
yeah but good players or people who understand the situation usually avoid this and punish the option. because 95% of the time you knock someone in the air, they hit a button instead of trying to land safely. so with this knowledge just respect their button and punish them over and over and over. I do this in all my elite smash videos
You can get away with a F Smash Mario all day lol
What is up with the leftsided audio?
People in your comment section really hates Zero for some reason , Not just this video , but every tutorial video you make , people bring up zero and then more dogpiles , is there any beef between you and zero Jtails ? I'm new to smash and neither of you seem like bad person.
No actually, Zero and I are friends!
Your voice came out a bit too much on the left side with this one. Aside from that, fantastic content as always.
nice
Daniel Gonzalez no u
My left ear agrees
HAH I PLAY FOX
THE 3RD THING NEVER HAPPENS TO ME
top 5 worst habits you do how to stop
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I used to try to land on shield but after 2 tourneys playing the same person who kept punishing it I stopped. Moral of the story go to tourneys
Top 5 worst habits you do how to stop
7:19 how do you do that
Jonathan Shamis it’s a reverse air aerial rush
Reverse aerial rush*
Dash forward, turn around, jump, and then back air
@@dr.kristinedukeawc6799 I meant timing it
@@jis11 It's easy actually, you just push the buttons at the right time. 👍
I feel personally attacked by 5, just cuz i get scared and nervous
8:25 Pichu isn't one of the lightest characters, he IS the lightest character
Both of those statements are correct
i thought it always was Sheik...
I love these videos, but you talk to your viewer like they don't know their abc's. Especially the first video. Please change the attitude if you can.
Well you have to understand that a majority of my viewers ask me questions like "How do I use Little Mac's K.O. punch" "what does DI mean?" "What's a fair or dair? what is that?"
I have to break things down to the most basic point because my audience generally isn't a tournament or competitive player. A lot are also young children. So I try to break things down easiest to learn for everyone. If you are at a higher level then it likely doesn't apply to you.
@@JulesTrades Oh okay. I want to let you know that I am grateful that you are making guides like this. Merely complaining literally undermines the blessings we all have. Thank you.
Edit: people are willing to ask questions just to elicit a reaction. People probably hate how confusing fair and dair are, or point out pointless observations just to get back at people, etc. Just another possibility
Starting to despise this series
Why is that exactly I'm curious?
Oh hi Jtails, As a player who knows about these things I feel like each time i get a notification I see stuff I know, you feel me. I feel like alot of time goes to these kind of videos(thats good). But you know your sub box has ppl like me who have been here since sm4sh(didnt have account back then sorry I failed you) and know all of these little. If every once in a while we got videos that was directed at ppl like us then I would be happy. Every time I see a TOP 5 MISTAKES A BEGINNER SHOULD STOP I feel a pang and wonder when a video aimed at ppl like me will come out
Jtails you do awesome content that anyone can respect so keep it up.
MarvinTheGamer ssf2 His channel is built at helping people. Most people that need help are beginners. If you know all there is to know then all you should be doing is watching pro replays for deeper insight. Or just enjoy jtails elite smash vids. Some people expect the moon on a stick from content creators.
@@jigglywiggle icic Ok time to watch some tourney vods.