It's true. I fought a Ganondorf player as Rosalina and I was comboing them like crazy feeling really awesome with the character. And then he hit me with one charged for 1.5second F Smash at edge of stage and I died in one hit. The game was over from that point on and Luma renounced me as its mother, never to join the battle again.
@tobyvision Nah, because Inkling’s dash is more committal than Pichu and Olimar. It’s why Inkling and Joker still keep their hard to hit stuff when they increase the hurt boxes of Pichu and Olimar.
Its funny bc he forgot or doesn't know that all you have to do is pivot stop. And you can shield or use any directional smash, but sure if you just stop running of fucking course the shield aint gonna work, bc you're still moving.
I literally beat an inkling in my tournament today because he constantly was dash dancing near the ledge. All I had to do as Ike was dash attack. And that sucked for him because Ike's dash attack is deadly.
2:15 - Using DJ too early or without proper reason 3:26 - Always using directional air dodge same way 4:49 - You don't shield enough 8:13 - Knowing which moves KO at which %s (keep them fresh) 10:25 - Know your ledge options, Punish opponent options. Mix it Up!
Pressing shield is muscle memory for me lol. If I use a laggy move or land on the floor, my left finger automatically presses it. This becomes a problem when my shield is the size of a peanut.
Zachariah Groseclose I used to play ice climbers (who get away with shielding becuase grabs don’t really work on them) so now it’s just a bad habit on my other characters lol
yes because the first couple months every pro said it and no one used shields so people who are not that good just listen they cannot know they are wrong untill somoene like this tells them
@@dj-troost528 They're less good for real. I can't punish a mario Fsmash into my shield... How ridiculous. Smash safe on shield. But they're still an important part of the game so yeah.
New to the game and I don't shield mainly because I over use dodge and I'm always in the air. Realizing these are traits of a n00b. Most n00bs are likely the same as me. Most beginners are also not listening to pros.
You've taught me how to stay patient and how to capitalize an overly aggressive players. I think you should have added how some lower-level players always give up stage position by trying to camp in the corner
You're just one of the best Smash Content Creators when it comes to explaining mechanics in a helpful way. Thanks for this video, it's really helpful and I would love some more content like this (a video on how to predict and cover different options with your character would be rad) :)
I also feel like Izaw's vids are the cleanest and most comprehensive instructionals, especially because I play Link and hadn't played a Smash game in a long time before getting into Ultimate.
Yeah but imo dash dancing only works well for the faster characters. As for the shield frames delay just pivot then use it so you wont have the delay, same with dash dancing into any smash
More habits that I notice when I fight people. 1. Using spot dodge to cover potential punishes 100% of the time 2. Rolling, of course 3. Attacking out of disadvantage, or generally mashing A all the time. 4. Shielding TOO much, where it's predictable 5. Jumping too much.
I fought a Link that literally only used spot dodges in place of shielding and rolls or jumps for that matter. I lost before I caught on and he didn't want a rematch. I just know he won't get far with that bad habit.
If you shorthop towards the enemy and they block, that means they're expecting an aerial attack which they will punish. what you do is don't attack at all and fastfall to the ground, then grab them. Even if they realize your trick, they'll still get grabbed- grab works on shield and normal opponents, of course.
@@itsmagicbro1551 Mix up what you do. Once they start to catch on to you punishing their choice, start doing something different. So if they're punishing your empty hop, start landing with an aerial.
Been playing Smash for fun for about 2 weeks now and i've been learning heaps. This video was actually dope and i'm gonna try to improve on all of these over time so thanks man. Also I still need to stop mashing a bit XD
I'm sure you're right about all this but the main reason I stopped shielding so much is bc people online would *constantly* grab me whenever I did it. I play heavies so I was like, "okay, so I can take a hit, but getting grabbed just leads into worse things so stop shielding"
Knowing the stale spots in your main(s) attacks are good for combos too! I main wolf. Dair to Fspecial for wolf is a great combo. Average damage% is around 50 to 60 on the sweet spot. But if they're higher and I hit them on the stale dair hitbox, it goes up by about 10% to 15% for true combo.
I appreciate this video a lot. I've played melee for so long and have been trying to get into ultimate, but always get bodied by my friends and at locals because I try to play this game like it's melee. I know I need to get rid of this mentality, but I've never seen a video that explained precisely why I should stop. Thanks a lot, your content is great and I'm glad you've had so much success with your private lessons!
Thank you so much! I hope that you can overcome some of your old habits and kick some butt! I have part 2 and 3 of this series as well that might help you out :)
A thing I see a lot in a online matches is that people don't use their shield effectively. They do shield, BUT they let go of it too early (I see them do this way too often). For example, if I use Lucina and use my side-B, they will most likely block the first 2 - 3 hits, but then they just for whatever reason drop their shield and get hit. Remember: "If in doubt, leave shield out"
Jtails, thank you so much for sharing your experience and knowledge. Rememeber that even if something looks obvious it might not look obvious from inexperienced player. In my particular case i didn't shield enough until you mentioned it and even gave some good ideas like baiting and then punish OOS. I'll try to implement this in my gameplay to become a good habit, thanks a lot!!! Really appreciate it!!!
I'm surprised to see the advice to not use dash dancing that much, but I'm glad to see it here! In all kinds of guides, even for beginners, I see dash dancing promoted as the best way of movement. So I have been trying to do it, but at the same time, I always felt that I have no idea what I'm even doing there. I will gladly throw this out of the window now, at least until I have gotten way better at the game :D
Jtails: Most characters dont get anything out of their grab Me: the only characters that dont get anything off of grab are like jigglypuff, cloud and maybe little mac
As a Sheik main, the only kill set ups I worry about are Bouncing Fish (off stage), F-Smash (at ledge), Up air (around 150-190%), and Stage gimping with back air at around 40%. Thank you for the Lesson, really, I appreciate this. I never put any thought into what percent kills “X” character with what move. With Sheik, it matters a whole lot.
Dkillex I like Joker, Have Joker, but never played him. I LOVE how Sheik can combo off of a stray hit and carry you around stage. I love how it feels like I’m never at a dis advantage, even when I’m down a stock or knocked off stage. I somehow struck magic with Sheik. I might try Joker for a week or 2 thanks to you. Hopefully I can get that same feeling.
Dkillex I’ve never tried it. I have gotten needles into Forward air... I’ll have to lab needle combos if they give Sheik a chance at connecting up Smash; her strongest attack.
I have no idea if others have this issue as well, but I actually have a kinda bad habit of always releasing shield to use an out-of-shield option, even if I dont need to. It's most noticable when I release shield to do a grab and then lose to something that should have been slower than my grab, since I exited shield first. It's lost me quite a few games over time, haha. I still do it even now. I'm happy that not all of these bad habits apply to me though, it gives me some sense of validation that I'm at least doing something right. I'll still definitely need to work on the ones that do apply, though.
Lasiace it’s probably because you feel overwhelmed in that position so be a Little more patient and sometime the best option is not trying to punish your opponent
@@peep9636 Honestly I don't think that's it. I already play somewhat patiently and spend too *much* time waiting and shielding sometimes, haha. I just need to remember the button exists is all, and get rid of the existing muscle memory. That's what I think anyway.
For me, the airdodge, shield, and ledge options are most important to know. Like you said, and it pains me, but people on elite love to just drool on their a buttons. I hardly EVER see people shield in neutral or shield and play a little defensively out of their disadvantage. Same thing goes for people who spam airdodge out of combos or jump from ledge. Online, its extremely hard to punish sometimes due to latency. However, in a normal setting it would be called out immediately. Thanks for pointing stuff like this out! Tl;dr: if you see someone repeating options, form a plan around it, its simple! If you find yourself getting punished for the same thing once or twice in a row, try something else!
Hey, Jtails, I just wanted to express my gratitude for these videos. As a beginner myself, I learn a whole lot about the structure of the fight and how to play in general. I would like to suggest, though: why don't play against a CPU at lvl 9 on Training Mode just for a bit and pause to explain how even the CPU has "bad habbits" that can be exploited? Idk, sounds to me a good ideia. Either way, thanks for these guides!
Caio Lima even if the CPU had bad habits, you can't really read what will happen next because a CPU doesn't have the mind of a human and CPU's from what I hear do lots of things humans can't do
Oh my gosh, only 4 points in and I'm already noticing I make ALL these mistakes. I always dash around while waiting for an opponent's projectile, press the shield button and STILL get hit even though I was positive I pressed the shield button in time. It makes so much sense now. THANK YOU!
Ayy I didn’t notice but congrats on getting 100k subs even tho u already hit 109. Been a fan since you were really small. Great things are coming your way man!
You have to play more confidently, its something people don't talk about too much but if you're feeling overwhelmed then you are playing right into your opponents hand. Be more confident and dont hesitate, you'll make mistakes but will also improve upon them.
One of his Elite Smash videos within the past month or two has a lot of info on this. He's fighting a super aggressive Dark Pit who comes really close to winning once, but seeing that habit, Jtails plays patiently and punishes the aggression. I don't remember which Elite Smash video it was, but I'm sure you can find it.
you have to "project" while you're fighting them. meaning you have to think about where they will be 2 seconds from now. and generally playing more defensively against aggressive players does the trick.
Noooooo stop giving away the secrets! Let them FAIL and figure out what they’re doing wrong on their own! Im kidding. These habits are so true and common. Lol. Good video.
Most helpful video for me I have found. Watched all your videos and still losing virtually every game, this is my first Smash game, so frustrating as I am a competent gamer in most all other games and in this everything I use never makes contact. I can see the moment in each game when my opponent notices this, as my movement betrays my lack of bite. Please help us ObiWan, a fifty year old man this year can take only so many beatings from nine year old girls.
I was practicing while listening, and noticed 4 ads to skip. 4 ads in a 12 min video seems like a lot? But I don’t blame you, make the RUclips revenue. This vid has good advice for beginner/intermediate players for sure.
Normal service providers: I don't have any customers. I am pretty much unemployed. JTails (and pretty much any youtuber would give a similar response): I am completely full on one-to-one lessons. But I have classes available on Mondays.
Agree with everything you said except a little of the bit about “knowing what your kill moves are”. I do think it’s important but on for a certain range of damage percentage. Considering that most of the time you won’t get a kill at early percent and are almost guaranteed a kill at any hit around higher percentages like 170+ (rough estimate), you can get by with not focusing so much on those kill moves in certain situations. It’s definitely a good thing to know about, but i don’t think its necessarily a thing to here “I need to focus on doing this immediately” when fighting
i totally expected this video to have like duhhhhhhh you airdodge a lot and uhhhh too many smash attacks but no these were actually really good tips, thank you
Mix it up. Mix up everything. Approaches Attacks Recoveries Combos Dodges Punishes (Anything else) I mean the goal is to be unpredictable right? Relying on one thing in any situation is punishable to someone who can notice it. If there's a pattern, it can be disrupted
I have the bad habits of spamming smash attacks, never shielding, dodging, or grabbing, never knowing how to properly utilize any specials, not knowing how to combo, and never back-airing. Maybe a few more.
Not using my DJ after I get hit off stage, was a hard habit to break. It took me 3-4 days almost a week to break this habit. But after breaking this habit, I’ve been having such an easier time getting back on stage and surviving longer.
Sorry to be pedantic, but its good to be precise with all the tech words. It was really confusing for me at first. You can't cancel your dash with shield, you can cancel *running* with shield. Like you explain, that's why dash dancing is bad.
Hey Jtails we've met before so i'm no knocking you by any means. Im just giving my honest opinion and providing some feedback. I don't thing its worth to do group lessons if your charging the same price as 1 on 1's especially since now your questions and attention are being pulled from 4 other people.
Cody Malick Yes any group lesson for anything should always be cheaper per person than a private lesson. This is common knowledge that he is simply ignoring for some reason. Hopefully nobody buys group lessons.
I assume a lesson for one person is 1 hour and he does 90 minutes for 4 people? The way I saw it is you don't just learn from when he's directly talking to you, but take the advice he gives to the other 3 people. If it's a longer session it could end up being a better deal if all the players are around your skill level.
Hey Jtails, can you make a video on top level player mind tricks. I know it’s a super deep topic that is hard to understand. But if you give a few examples i think it could really help on how to understand how top players, even at locals use small unique mind tricks on their opponents.
I would LOVE to see a video about grabs; getting them and avoiding them. This is probably the biggest gap in my game: it rarely even OCCURS to me to go for a grab, and when it does, I can't get one to save my life (which sucks, because I play NESS, the backthrow GOD). Meanwhile I'm using my shield as a security blanket and my opponent is throwing me around stage like... something that gets thrown... a lot... I need better similes...
This is probably a dumb question, but let's say you do stale your moves out, what actually resets your moves to go back to the original damage that they are meant to do. Like for example, is it on your next stock that resets this, or maybe your opponents next stock, like what are a list of things that can reset your moves damage count to its original amount?
yeah when you lose a stock and respawn then your moves all become fresh. The list holds 10 moves, so if you use 10 other moves, your stale moved will then become fresh.
I know dash dancing can be punished very easily, but what about on inkling? I think dash dancing is pivotal in neutral for them because of their ambiguous dashing animation and it's very important for mixups
I should have added it's really good on inkling, but that's the one exception. sometimes though even still people use it as a be all end all, when it isn't. like instead of good fundamentals. but yeah inkling has the best dash free,
What do you mean moves get weak if you use them mutiple times in a stock. For example if I use upsmash at 40% does that make my upsmash weaker then it normally would at 120% because i used that option earlier?
It’s called staling. The game stores the last nine moves you used and if for example your fsmash is on that list then it does a little less percent and knock back.
Hello, I really liked your video, and I also wanted to bring up one mistake Also see a lot on begginers and other guys a little bit above that. I'm talking about when your character falls on the ground and then you recover rolling towards your enemy. I'm not a pro gamer, but that's a bad habit I see on people and that has help me out with the punish.
1-2) more than second Jump i spam airdodge but yeah Will mix that up 3) sometimes shielding a lot Is a problem too tho What you are doing againist a Ganondorf or a captain Falcon Who can punish you for shielding too much... But dashdancing as an offensive option Is bad yeah 4) oh yeah fortunately i know all of those 5) already do this
can you make a general guide on how to approach (intelligently)? Always do better when I never approach, because I approach like an idiot, but have a lot more fun approaching more often
WAIT WHAT ??? The more you use a move the less it is powerfull ??? Wtf this is actually a huge thing to know ... Lol That explain that time when I uptilt 4 times in a row a bowser as snake, he didn't die at like 120% (on the third hit, the fourth one killed him)
I believe staling only counts on your last 9 landed attacks. So moves that do little damage that are fast can be used to reset scaling like ness down tilt or sheiks pummel
"Most characters don't get anything off of their grabs"... Okay, this is just flat-out wrong. Ness, Lucas, Palu, Ganon/Bowser command grabs, Snake, ect. For anyone interested there is a really good ProGuides video that goes over the downsides of excessive shielding.
My worst habit is losing my spirit. Not even being salty. Smash just makes me feel like the biggest idiot on Earth. It's weird that I feel great in other games, but feel like a worthless piece of shit in Smash, a party Nintendo game.
Yo I feel the exact same way. It looks so fun to be decent at and I’ve played many fighting games but I just suck ass at smash. Seems like a 10 year old can pull off anything I do better. It’s rare for me to even be able to pressure my opponents cuz it seems like any option I go for they have perfect spacing and the perfect move and I just get wrecked over and over
@@chadbradthadanddad Yeah, I've done some cool things in the game but only on the rare occasions I have confidence in myself. Otherwise I'm just a tryhard with no payoff.
Hey! Loved this video, specially kill percentages and ledge options... Got one question. Is it worth getting a gamecube controller for smash? (Currently playing with pro controller)
It's only worth playing what you're comfortable on and having enough buttons to do all the things you want to. A pro controller is great. A gamecube controller is often preferred because some people have been playing smash since Melee and it's nice to have your controller stay the same. Don't get a new controller, just practice playing the game with what you have.
JTails: _Know which moves KO at which %s_
Ganondorf mains: _My enemies spawn at kill %_
@NotGonnaTell MyName Terry: *Radicawl*
Let's-a-go!
**DORIYAH**
Facing a good Ganon while being any light character is a nightmare
It's true. I fought a Ganondorf player as Rosalina and I was comboing them like crazy feeling really awesome with the character. And then he hit me with one charged for 1.5second F Smash at edge of stage and I died in one hit. The game was over from that point on and Luma renounced me as its mother, never to join the battle again.
Jtails: For the love of god, stop dash dancing! You’re giving out plenty of openings to your opponent.
Inking: But can you hit me?
Touché
If Inkling's dash ever got changed so that it had a hurtbox, it would be my favorite update to this game.
@tobyvision Nah, because Inkling’s dash is more committal than Pichu and Olimar. It’s why Inkling and Joker still keep their hard to hit stuff when they increase the hurt boxes of Pichu and Olimar.
Its funny bc he forgot or doesn't know that all you have to do is pivot stop. And you can shield or use any directional smash, but sure if you just stop running of fucking course the shield aint gonna work, bc you're still moving.
I literally beat an inkling in my tournament today because he constantly was dash dancing near the ledge. All I had to do as Ike was dash attack. And that sucked for him because Ike's dash attack is deadly.
Me, pre-watching: Pshh, there's nothing for me to learn here.
After watching: Oh. Ooohhhh...
Me too but I was right this is like beginner stuff I'm a mid player
I didn't learn anything
@@blitzbluex5154 cool story bro, see you at EVO.
@@StriderZessei Yeah because I didn't learn anything from a basic youtube guide time for EVO totally dude
@@blitzbluex5154 cool story see you at frostbite
2:15 - Using DJ too early or without proper reason
3:26 - Always using directional air dodge same way
4:49 - You don't shield enough
8:13 - Knowing which moves KO at which %s (keep them fresh)
10:25 - Know your ledge options, Punish opponent options. Mix it Up!
thank you so much
this isn't a problem as kirby/dedede main
Bro but samus has no kill moves what do I do
I don't double jump
I grab a lot I use need ok fire
"You don't use shield"
Mfw one of my main issues is using shield too much lmao
If you practice spot dodging it would be less of an issue
I actually won a tournament without ever using shield because I never remember that it exists
Pressing shield is muscle memory for me lol. If I use a laggy move or land on the floor, my left finger automatically presses it. This becomes a problem when my shield is the size of a peanut.
Andy Pang I do that too lol and people just grab me but I want to shield there more than anything else in my life for some reason
Zachariah Groseclose I used to play ice climbers (who get away with shielding becuase grabs don’t really work on them) so now it’s just a bad habit on my other characters lol
I feel like these beginners heard a pro player say that shields got nerfed from smash 4 to this game and don’t use shield enough
yes because the first couple months every pro said it and no one used shields so people who are not that good just listen they cannot know they are wrong untill somoene like this tells them
@@dj-troost528 They're less good for real. I can't punish a mario Fsmash into my shield... How ridiculous. Smash safe on shield. But they're still an important part of the game so yeah.
New to the game and I don't shield mainly because I over use dodge and I'm always in the air. Realizing these are traits of a n00b. Most n00bs are likely the same as me. Most beginners are also not listening to pros.
You've taught me how to stay patient and how to capitalize an overly aggressive players. I think you should have added how some lower-level players always give up stage position by trying to camp in the corner
You're just one of the best Smash Content Creators when it comes to explaining mechanics in a helpful way. Thanks for this video, it's really helpful and I would love some more content like this (a video on how to predict and cover different options with your character would be rad) :)
Tim Lehmann yeah, i go to either him or BananaBoySSB
I also feel like Izaw's vids are the cleanest and most comprehensive instructionals, especially because I play Link and hadn't played a Smash game in a long time before getting into Ultimate.
Wait, people actually dash dance in Ultimate unironically? Lmao I just meme it sometimes
all the damn time
Yeah but imo dash dancing only works well for the faster characters. As for the shield frames delay just pivot then use it so you wont have the delay, same with dash dancing into any smash
I just do it to do it. For me, it's neither ironic nor unironic.
@@JulesTrades me, an inkling main: 👁👅👁
You sound like you're tired of repeating yourself haha
Ya lol you can hear it in his voice.
And also accusing the viewers of those faults lol
YES LMAO! 95% of all matches I play on twitch or online elite smash/tournament is all these habits!
@@JulesTrades well youre doing a great thing and a lot of us recognize you for it haha keep up the the good work
That's what most teachers end up sounding like, though. It just means he's a teacher. They repeat themselves for a living.
More habits that I notice when I fight people.
1. Using spot dodge to cover potential punishes 100% of the time
2. Rolling, of course
3. Attacking out of disadvantage, or generally mashing A all the time.
4. Shielding TOO much, where it's predictable
5. Jumping too much.
I fought a Link that literally only used spot dodges in place of shielding and rolls or jumps for that matter. I lost before I caught on and he didn't want a rematch. I just know he won't get far with that bad habit.
Now that you’ve mentioned the jump after being hit thing, I can’t stop seeing other people do it online. It’s really been a big help
YESSS GOOD! Punish them for it now
I know my #1 worst habbit, it's landing in front of my shielded enemy... They grab me so many times!!!
Instead of attacking someones shield, you can land quick and grab them in their shield.
If you shorthop towards the enemy and they block, that means they're expecting an aerial attack which they will punish. what you do is don't attack at all and fastfall to the ground, then grab them. Even if they realize your trick, they'll still get grabbed- grab works on shield and normal opponents, of course.
@@TheDapperWaffle kind of like using their poison against them! Nice, thank you
The Dapper Waffle I use this, but eventually they catch on and I get punished. What can I do to not get punished for that?
@@itsmagicbro1551 Mix up what you do. Once they start to catch on to you punishing their choice, start doing something different. So if they're punishing your empty hop, start landing with an aerial.
Been playing Smash for fun for about 2 weeks now and i've been learning heaps. This video was actually dope and i'm gonna try to improve on all of these over time so thanks man.
Also I still need to stop mashing a bit XD
I'm sure you're right about all this but the main reason I stopped shielding so much is bc people online would *constantly* grab me whenever I did it. I play heavies so I was like, "okay, so I can take a hit, but getting grabbed just leads into worse things so stop shielding"
I have a bad habit of constantly whiffing grabs
yeah, for some reason in my head a grab isn't as punishable as an attack (even though it obviously is)
@@Timdeuces lol you can fix that by playing on quickplay
Thanks for making this, definitely need some help when it comes to bad habits.
I love hearing you break down how you're reading people online; it would also be awesome to see how you break down a professional set!
I didn't actually know moves stale and I've played ultimate for like 700 hours.... always something to learn I guess! Thanks!
Robert Allen you can use that to your advantage, for example ladder combos
Knowing the stale spots in your main(s) attacks are good for combos too! I main wolf. Dair to Fspecial for wolf is a great combo. Average damage% is around 50 to 60 on the sweet spot. But if they're higher and I hit them on the stale dair hitbox, it goes up by about 10% to 15% for true combo.
Same!
A mistake I always used to make is getting so fixed on a certain move and attempting to use it throughout the whole match. It wasn't natural
I appreciate this video a lot. I've played melee for so long and have been trying to get into ultimate, but always get bodied by my friends and at locals because I try to play this game like it's melee. I know I need to get rid of this mentality, but I've never seen a video that explained precisely why I should stop. Thanks a lot, your content is great and I'm glad you've had so much success with your private lessons!
Thank you so much! I hope that you can overcome some of your old habits and kick some butt! I have part 2 and 3 of this series as well that might help you out :)
A thing I see a lot in a online matches is that people don't use their shield effectively. They do shield, BUT they let go of it too early (I see them do this way too often). For example, if I use Lucina and use my side-B, they will most likely block the first 2 - 3 hits, but then they just for whatever reason drop their shield and get hit.
Remember: "If in doubt, leave shield out"
Take a shot everytime he says "Guys"
Jtails, thank you so much for sharing your experience and knowledge. Rememeber that even if something looks obvious it might not look obvious from inexperienced player.
In my particular case i didn't shield enough until you mentioned it and even gave some good ideas like baiting and then punish OOS.
I'll try to implement this in my gameplay to become a good habit, thanks a lot!!! Really appreciate it!!!
I'm surprised to see the advice to not use dash dancing that much, but I'm glad to see it here!
In all kinds of guides, even for beginners, I see dash dancing promoted as the best way of movement. So I have been trying to do it, but at the same time, I always felt that I have no idea what I'm even doing there. I will gladly throw this out of the window now, at least until I have gotten way better at the game :D
Oof, I shield TOO much lol. And I'm always jumping in neutral. I barely touch the ground😂
That means you're free because the ground is advantage
@@felipenavarro5340 specially for the top 5 speedster lol
Jtails: Most characters dont get anything out of their grab
Me: the only characters that dont get anything off of grab are like jigglypuff, cloud and maybe little mac
As a Sheik main, the only kill set ups I worry about are Bouncing Fish (off stage), F-Smash (at ledge), Up air (around 150-190%), and Stage gimping with back air at around 40%.
Thank you for the Lesson, really, I appreciate this. I never put any thought into what percent kills “X” character with what move. With Sheik, it matters a whole lot.
Tiny T.W.I.M if you main sheik than u already know how to play joker
Dkillex I like Joker, Have Joker, but never played him. I LOVE how Sheik can combo off of a stray hit and carry you around stage.
I love how it feels like I’m never at a dis advantage, even when I’m down a stock or knocked off stage.
I somehow struck magic with Sheik. I might try Joker for a week or 2 thanks to you. Hopefully I can get that same feeling.
Understandable also is this combo with sheik true needles into up smash
Dkillex I’ve never tried it. I have gotten needles into Forward air...
I’ll have to lab needle combos if they give Sheik a chance at connecting up Smash; her strongest attack.
I have no idea if others have this issue as well, but I actually have a kinda bad habit of always releasing shield to use an out-of-shield option, even if I dont need to. It's most noticable when I release shield to do a grab and then lose to something that should have been slower than my grab, since I exited shield first. It's lost me quite a few games over time, haha. I still do it even now.
I'm happy that not all of these bad habits apply to me though, it gives me some sense of validation that I'm at least doing something right. I'll still definitely need to work on the ones that do apply, though.
Lasiace it’s probably because you feel overwhelmed in that position so be a Little more patient and sometime the best option is not trying to punish your opponent
@@peep9636 Honestly I don't think that's it. I already play somewhat patiently and spend too *much* time waiting and shielding sometimes, haha.
I just need to remember the button exists is all, and get rid of the existing muscle memory. That's what I think anyway.
For me, the airdodge, shield, and ledge options are most important to know. Like you said, and it pains me, but people on elite love to just drool on their a buttons. I hardly EVER see people shield in neutral or shield and play a little defensively out of their disadvantage. Same thing goes for people who spam airdodge out of combos or jump from ledge. Online, its extremely hard to punish sometimes due to latency. However, in a normal setting it would be called out immediately. Thanks for pointing stuff like this out!
Tl;dr: if you see someone repeating options, form a plan around it, its simple! If you find yourself getting punished for the same thing once or twice in a row, try something else!
Hey, Jtails, I just wanted to express my gratitude for these videos. As a beginner myself, I learn a whole lot about the structure of the fight and how to play in general. I would like to suggest, though: why don't play against a CPU at lvl 9 on Training Mode just for a bit and pause to explain how even the CPU has "bad habbits" that can be exploited? Idk, sounds to me a good ideia. Either way, thanks for these guides!
Caio Lima even if the CPU had bad habits, you can't really read what will happen next because a CPU
doesn't have the mind of a human and CPU's from what I hear do lots of things humans can't do
You hella helpful
You play smash? Dang
Yoo
I didn't know lucid played smash who u play?
As a jigs main, walking is a blessing. Bad players always roll and you can just use sing to catch their end lag. Its magical.
yesss see! you get it :)
Oh my gosh, only 4 points in and I'm already noticing I make ALL these mistakes. I always dash around while waiting for an opponent's projectile, press the shield button and STILL get hit even though I was positive I pressed the shield button in time. It makes so much sense now. THANK YOU!
Ayy I didn’t notice but congrats on getting 100k subs even tho u already hit 109. Been a fan since you were really small. Great things are coming your way man!
double jumping on the person captain falcon mains online.They always seem to think they're invicible when doing that.
yuppppp!!!
Most players don’t utilize walking enough there always running
True
Most people don't utilize the word " they're "
Not much usefulness except maybe style or mindgames. Also kind of hard to do
I don’t even know HOW to walk \(◡̈)/
Why walk? They can easily see you coming right at them unless you walk and do up special
Can you explain how to beat agressive players?
Try conditioning them
You have to play more confidently, its something people don't talk about too much but if you're feeling overwhelmed then you are playing right into your opponents hand. Be more confident and dont hesitate, you'll make mistakes but will also improve upon them.
One of his Elite Smash videos within the past month or two has a lot of info on this. He's fighting a super aggressive Dark Pit who comes really close to winning once, but seeing that habit, Jtails plays patiently and punishes the aggression. I don't remember which Elite Smash video it was, but I'm sure you can find it.
Malik if there aggressive let them come to you and wait to punish there option they are giving you the advantage after all
you have to "project" while you're fighting them. meaning you have to think about where they will be 2 seconds from now. and generally playing more defensively against aggressive players does the trick.
Noooooo stop giving away the secrets! Let them FAIL and figure out what they’re doing wrong on their own!
Im kidding. These habits are so true and common. Lol. Good video.
My man just asked for $140 to play Smash for 90 mins.
What has life become?
no.. just $35
@@JulesTrades is bad at math.
Yeah, from 4 people.
The Rockazoid and? He gotta make money somehow lol
@@therockazoid1723 One person isn't buying four different sessions though, now are they?
@@Omaisho is confused.
No but he's still asking for $140 total for the session. Surely a one on one is more expensive than the $35.
Most helpful video for me I have found. Watched all your videos and still losing virtually every game, this is my first Smash game, so frustrating as I am a competent gamer in most all other games and in this everything I use never makes contact.
I can see the moment in each game when my opponent notices this, as my movement betrays my lack of bite.
Please help us ObiWan, a fifty year old man this year can take only so many beatings from nine year old girls.
there must be some key detail you’re missing if you have a decent reaction time/ control over your character and you still lose every time
As a Greninja main i think this helped me a lot
GO JTAILS! You’ve made a fan out of me
I was practicing while listening, and noticed 4 ads to skip. 4 ads in a 12 min video seems like a lot? But I don’t blame you, make the RUclips revenue. This vid has good advice for beginner/intermediate players for sure.
Normal service providers: I don't have any customers. I am pretty much unemployed.
JTails (and pretty much any youtuber would give a similar response): I am completely full on one-to-one lessons. But I have classes available on Mondays.
I'm digging that Makoto theme from Third Strike in the background.👌
Agree with everything you said except a little of the bit about “knowing what your kill moves are”. I do think it’s important but on for a certain range of damage percentage. Considering that most of the time you won’t get a kill at early percent and are almost guaranteed a kill at any hit around higher percentages like 170+ (rough estimate), you can get by with not focusing so much on those kill moves in certain situations. It’s definitely a good thing to know about, but i don’t think its necessarily a thing to here “I need to focus on doing this immediately” when fighting
i totally expected this video to have like duhhhhhhh you airdodge a lot and uhhhh too many smash attacks but no these were actually really good tips, thank you
#6 Rolling in when pushed into the corner.
Pac-Man!c Bayes pros do it all the time also. It just should never be a panic option done without thought. That’s how you get hard punished for it
@@dr3wchen631 should have specified, *always* rolling in/teching in when in the corner is the bad habit.
Number 4 was so helpful but the other I got already but 4 is going to be helpful.
Hey there, I found you
NessFinesse hi
Jtails: Except for Mario, and Donkey Kong, most characters don't get much off of grabs.
Luigi: Am I a joke to you?
The fact your attacks get weaker and weaker and weaker, literally just blew my whole mind.
Be sure to check out Part 2 of this Bad Habits Series!! ruclips.net/video/TMX0m2nUxSM/видео.html
I notice against a lot of players that air dodge whenever I get near them and gives me a free punish. Also trying to space aerials better
Mix it up. Mix up everything.
Approaches
Attacks
Recoveries
Combos
Dodges
Punishes
(Anything else)
I mean the goal is to be unpredictable right? Relying on one thing in any situation is punishable to someone who can notice it. If there's a pattern, it can be disrupted
@Jeremy Dixon it did for me 😂😂
When I use Little Mac,I always walk forward and F-Tilt,it works most of the time because people think I'm gonna rush forward and dash attack.
Dang, really good advice. I’m trash at this game lolol
Nice video dude I like how you keep it simple and help out in a peaceful manner other smash players talk in some werid language I cant understand
Which terms are u confused on?
Jtails-"You don't shield enough.That's a bad habit."
Me,a Greninja main:That's not an option for me.
I have the bad habits of spamming smash attacks, never shielding, dodging, or grabbing, never knowing how to properly utilize any specials, not knowing how to combo, and never back-airing. Maybe a few more.
then it sounds like you know what you need to work on :)
1. Mix it up.
2. Mix it up.
3. Mix it up.
4. Mix it up.
5. Mix it up!
Not using my DJ after I get hit off stage, was a hard habit to break. It took me 3-4 days almost a week to break this habit. But after breaking this habit, I’ve been having such an easier time getting back on stage and surviving longer.
This video was great and very informative!! Great content bro!!
Sorry to be pedantic, but its good to be precise with all the tech words. It was really confusing for me at first. You can't cancel your dash with shield, you can cancel *running* with shield. Like you explain, that's why dash dancing is bad.
I know what you mean but I don't think running is actually the term for running. Pretty sure it's just called initial dash and dash
Hey Jtails we've met before so i'm no knocking you by any means. Im just giving my honest opinion and providing some feedback. I don't thing its worth to do group lessons if your charging the same price as 1 on 1's especially since now your questions and attention are being pulled from 4 other people.
Cody Malick Yes any group lesson for anything should always be cheaper per person than a private lesson. This is common knowledge that he is simply ignoring for some reason. Hopefully nobody buys group lessons.
I assume a lesson for one person is 1 hour and he does 90 minutes for 4 people? The way I saw it is you don't just learn from when he's directly talking to you, but take the advice he gives to the other 3 people. If it's a longer session it could end up being a better deal if all the players are around your skill level.
Hey Jtails, can you make a video on top level player mind tricks. I know it’s a super deep topic that is hard to understand. But if you give a few examples i think it could really help on how to understand how top players, even at locals use small unique mind tricks on their opponents.
Thank you for sharing this, I enjoy your content. 😊 I'm hoping to kick booty at my next local but I know I have bad habits.
Did you kick the booty??
@@NordicVigilante I have been kicking an abundance of booty compared to a few months ago!! I have made top 8 in my local like twice now wooooo.
Its all good tips. Thabk you
In case anyone was curious about the music from the beginning, Street Fighter 3 Third Strike: Makoto's stage
Good stuff. I was just telling a friend last night about the dash dancing problem
I would LOVE to see a video about grabs; getting them and avoiding them. This is probably the biggest gap in my game: it rarely even OCCURS to me to go for a grab, and when it does, I can't get one to save my life (which sucks, because I play NESS, the backthrow GOD). Meanwhile I'm using my shield as a security blanket and my opponent is throwing me around stage like... something that gets thrown... a lot... I need better similes...
I actually noticed how much I actually don't shield before I saw this video Dxxx, so now I feel a tad worse about myself
This is probably a dumb question, but let's say you do stale your moves out, what actually resets your moves to go back to the original damage that they are meant to do. Like for example, is it on your next stock that resets this, or maybe your opponents next stock, like what are a list of things that can reset your moves damage count to its original amount?
yeah when you lose a stock and respawn then your moves all become fresh.
The list holds 10 moves, so if you use 10 other moves, your stale moved will then become fresh.
The DJ tip really helped, thx! :D
I know dash dancing can be punished very easily, but what about on inkling? I think dash dancing is pivotal in neutral for them because of their ambiguous dashing animation and it's very important for mixups
I should have added it's really good on inkling, but that's the one exception. sometimes though even still people use it as a be all end all, when it isn't. like instead of good fundamentals. but yeah inkling has the best dash free,
Had no idea about the dash dancing great video!
What do you mean moves get weak if you use them mutiple times in a stock.
For example if I use upsmash at 40% does that make my upsmash weaker then it normally would at 120% because i used that option earlier?
It’s called staling. The game stores the last nine moves you used and if for example your fsmash is on that list then it does a little less percent and knock back.
I got a ton better since i started using sheild. I was getting sheilded and punished so often i realized how sharp the perfect sheild really is
Awesome! Yesss more of that and you'll notice a correlation of you winning more too :p
This should be a treat
Great video man!
Do moves stale if they don’t connect?
No
No
The double jump in the blastzone is a mistake I didnt even realize I did. In the back of my brain I think its going to save me from dying......
Fist time watching a video of you. Was truly a great one! Great advices! You got a new sub on me :]
welcome! Let me know if you have any other questions! :)
Hello, I really liked your video, and I also wanted to bring up one mistake Also see a lot on begginers and other guys a little bit above that. I'm talking about when your character falls on the ground and then you recover rolling towards your enemy. I'm not a pro gamer, but that's a bad habit I see on people and that has help me out with the punish.
1-2) more than second Jump i spam airdodge but yeah Will mix that up
3) sometimes shielding a lot Is a problem too tho
What you are doing againist a Ganondorf or a captain Falcon Who can punish you for shielding too much... But dashdancing as an offensive option Is bad yeah
4) oh yeah fortunately i know all of those
5) already do this
can you make a general guide on how to approach (intelligently)? Always do better when I never approach, because I approach like an idiot, but have a lot more fun approaching more often
absolute madness. cheers
Definitely excited to do a one on one session at some point
I remember when I first watched this vid and you mentioned to stop dash dancing. I got sad 😭 🤣
WAIT WHAT ??? The more you use a move the less it is powerfull ??? Wtf this is actually a huge thing to know ... Lol
That explain that time when I uptilt 4 times in a row a bowser as snake, he didn't die at like 120% (on the third hit, the fourth one killed him)
I believe staling only counts on your last 9 landed attacks. So moves that do little damage that are fast can be used to reset scaling like ness down tilt or sheiks pummel
correct, the queue of stale moves holds 10 moves in total.
Most characters can't do things off grabs, *cough cough* ness, luigi, sheik, falcon
There are 80+ characters! 4 is a small amount.
Also a lot of grab combos only work from 0-30% so after that who cares.
I agree with that but a lot of characters have kill throws and online a lot of people use them
Plot Twist:
Jtails gave us all these tips so we can be sent in the wrong direction and lose. Jk lol
I definitely am tryna join the dojo
"Most characters don't get anything off of their grabs"... Okay, this is just flat-out wrong. Ness, Lucas, Palu, Ganon/Bowser command grabs, Snake, ect. For anyone interested there is a really good ProGuides video that goes over the downsides of excessive shielding.
For 1 year I never shielded cuz I didn’t hear about it now I use it 1000 times
and now you will win 1000 more times!
My worst habit is losing my spirit. Not even being salty. Smash just makes me feel like the biggest idiot on Earth. It's weird that I feel great in other games, but feel like a worthless piece of shit in Smash, a party Nintendo game.
Yo I feel the exact same way. It looks so fun to be decent at and I’ve played many fighting games but I just suck ass at smash. Seems like a 10 year old can pull off anything I do better. It’s rare for me to even be able to pressure my opponents cuz it seems like any option I go for they have perfect spacing and the perfect move and I just get wrecked over and over
@@chadbradthadanddad Yeah, I've done some cool things in the game but only on the rare occasions I have confidence in myself. Otherwise I'm just a tryhard with no payoff.
I actually shield too much, which makes me vulnerable to grabs. I need to learn just to spot dodge and time that right
Link tourney
Hey! Loved this video, specially kill percentages and ledge options... Got one question. Is it worth getting a gamecube controller for smash? (Currently playing with pro controller)
It's only worth playing what you're comfortable on and having enough buttons to do all the things you want to. A pro controller is great. A gamecube controller is often preferred because some people have been playing smash since Melee and it's nice to have your controller stay the same. Don't get a new controller, just practice playing the game with what you have.
pro controller is totally fine. Zackray is one of the best in the world and wins with pro controller.
Thats a really great idea! Too bad I cant afford it.