Why You're Losing in Super Smash Bros Ultimate
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- Опубликовано: 2 сен 2020
- Put yourself on the right track towards winning in Super Smash Bros Ultimate!
Written by Brian Ding
Edited by Luke "Skytoon" Stocking
Twitter:
/ usuckatneutral
Music used:
Street Fighter V High Roller Casino Theme
Circus - Theme Song
Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney Questioning - Allegro 2001
Fire Emblem Awakening OST - 44 Merchant Theme
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 OST - Clock Tower Stage 
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It’s really frustrating when I go from winning all the time to just randomly losing 24/7, even to low GSP players. I don’t understand it makes 0 sense and I just can’t figure out what it is I’m doing wrong. It makes me not want to play it anymore.
I thought I was the only one who felt like this lol
It's normal just take a break and play when you feel good
Yh probably just cuz we’re salty that it affects how we play in a negative way
@@FilletFish778 good I hate pichu
@@glow2215 and that’s okay.
Instructions unclear: played Smash online
What's wayyy more frustrating than losing is the amount of lag in online and when the game randomly disconnects you and then acts like you disconnected and gives you a disconnect timer when it was someone else who lagged out.
I can go from playing 5 matches smoothly to 1 match playing at 5 frames per second cause my opponent is lagging the game.
Quickplay players seem to somehow know a flowchart for every character. However, it is only when I play in real tournaments that I experience truly cheap flowcharting like the Samus shown here or a Banjo Kazooie player. I guess the message of the video is that we need to develop our own flowchart to open the flowchart opponent up to our main strengths.
That's definitely one way to interpret it! You should definitely be trying to understand your opponent, and then building your own plan around that.
Spittin' facts!
I hate flowchart bs
A lot of Samuses, Links, Kirbys, and Kazuyas play a thousand percent alike!!!
It's kind of sucks that people do the whole flowchart thing. It should just be Player vs player and people playing the game how it's supposed to be played
@@yousuckatneutral8017 I don't understand how I'm supposed to make this "flowchart" mid game as if I have 1000 iq?? This video basically told me that your enemy plays a certain way and you need to read their strategy so you can construct a strategy to outplay their strategy and when they adapt you adapt and you keep on trying to play differently each time. Sure that makes sense, but I still don't know how to play against a wolf that spams their gun and gives me 0 options, and when I think of one I end up getting punished or smashed into oblivion. Taking into account things like skill level difference is important too, because I can learn and practice until my hands bleed and still get my ass kicked because of the sbmm. I've improved over the YEARS playing this game but it gets on my nerves how much I still have to learn and how HARD IT IS to get that information or heck! Even understand it! You guys use all kinds of lingo that goes over the heads of casual players trying to get better at the game as if its fucking science. Why should I have to struggle to not only get information but understand it and replicate it and memorize it for ingame play and hope I don't forget it or I'm screwed and I have to go back to practice mode and get my combos down again and again but combos don't matter either because you need to make sure you do this and that and avoid this! Its the monotony of trying and trying to get better with such limited information that it drives me insane.
Level 9 cpu is an accurate online player: I always lose, I only do like 100-200 damage, it proves that I suck
This happens to me even tho I got online I never use it
@Xmd500 I think you’ll still lose with that unless you make careful decisions.
Man, this game is so frustrating for me. I’ve always played pretty casually on my friend’s console, but I’ve never had my own Switch until about a week ago. I’ve been trying to play Smash pretty casually, but the problem is that I get destroyed literally EVERY. Single. Match… I wish there were some sort of matchmaking system (maybe there is and I’m just unaware), but I’m talking about literally going on 20 game losing streaks. Pretty infuriating because I just want to play casually but maybe win at least 1/5 games. Instead, I get destroyed again and again to the point where the game isn’t even fun.
I know this is late, but try to rematch everyone you lose to. You can learn their habits and how they play the character and the you can build a gameplan against that character
Oh... I don't even bother playing online, even when I *did* have Switch Online. I just play against CPU's, level 7's to be exact. Even then, *some* characters are extremely annoying to fight (Ness, sometimes wario, and Robin is easily one of the worst.)
I should probably mention that I main Mewtwo.
This is a really good video. It breaks down the concepts of game sense in a relatable way.
Me at 52k GSP losing with my main:
I really needed this. I'm new to smash coming from other fighting games (and maining little mac and Kirby) and it's rough out in these streets.
This is some quality content! I really dig it!! Keep it up!!!
Hey, I’m from Smash Amino, this video’s really good man! Editing was great
My First online experience: I battle 3 times, I lose 3 times, I exit online
You and me both
I lost 10/10 battles online when I first played
This is so true. Why cant my mario kart wii and crash team racing skills transfer to other games lol 😭
Really nice breakdown!
I especially love it when I'm playing with friends and always get ganged up on when it's 3 people left to assure I never win a game, ever.
This made me realize I really don’t want to grind to get better than I already was progressing toward if flowchart strategy is so obvious and prominent in this game, doesn’t really feel like fighting now lol, tho thanks for the reason. I finally found out why.
bro is going to lose it when he goes to another fighting game and realizes thats the genre’s fundamental philosophy 😂
Life is a flowchart
I'm losing cuz I keep getting disconnected this should fix everything lol
Lmao I just suck
Here from the twitter post.
Good shit man, keep up the grind.
My 3 roomates all played Smash growing up. I never touched the game till last year. I have never and will never beat them
Same
not with that atitude
@@superal68 I have since won lol
@@TheFatmanjelly what changed? Where did u see ur biggest improvement? Imma make a guess and say u figured out how to punish out of shield and/or avoid being punished out of shield yourself?
This is how I feel. Both in technical skill and general experience I will never catch up. All my wins are mostly flukes and never consistent. Not sure how to escape it. It’s annoying that because I am bad my opponents criticize me for not practicing enough, which isn’t even true. Just cus I suck doesn’t mean im not putting in the effort. Im just not getting results lol. Idk. Frustrating
sometimes i say there is no way im this bad that i cant beat anyone and i always feel ppl play cheeesy. i always try unpredictable but sometimes it just doesnt go as planned
Damn this helped me a lot!
I came here looking for help after losing to samus campers then I lost my mind when dark samus was revealed with clown music
The thing is all I run into is rangers and top 10s I tried playing Rosa and the first players I run into is Pyras, foxes, wolfs, and spamming ass players
i just played against a ridley on the pac-man side scrolling map and all he did was spam, i’m losing it
so, what ive learned is... spam and then change your types of spam when a counter is found to your spam.
"uhm, actually, he stated how a flow chart works"
yes, and i explained what he did, do the same shit over and over until a counter is found, then add that to the same shit over and over, rinse and repeat.
basically, dont play the game the intended way to win, but play with the idea of doing stuff over and over until its vulnerable, fix that, and repeat.
Great video
In need this follow up video, please. I'm a CF Main and i'm getting camped all the time
Can I play zoners if I have a decent internet? is it allowed? Or lag is a secret passive of that characters?
I can literally Molly wop my brother out of existence but HE GETS SO LUCKY when I fall into every one of his move, while none of mine are hitting
Me when I don’t realize he made careful planning:
Like wow, how did this channel go under my nose for so long?
DSP would hate this video u til you mentioned flowchsrt play, then he would say this is the best vudeo ever
i have no idea whereyou went but come back, you're the future of smash youtube
I'm currently practicing for the SWT qualifier, but I'm excited to make content once I come back :)
- Brian Ding
Ive always wondered why I felt like I haven't been playing the game. THANKS
It also doesn't help when you are only playing at 11 frames while navigating a maze of useless characters and another half of them busted. Meanwhile a proper tutorial for new comers and returning players was completely neglected and never will be added to a game that already lacks content for single player modes. It takes a combination of a hard connection and a incredibly experienced player to break down the tech and how the game is played just to advance. The learning curve is so absurd its hard just to encourage players to join or try. I played it for a bit and though I do admire how much time players put in to this game it just isn't worth the aggravation and the toxic community. It's a shame that ultimate is the last oorah before the game franchise calls it quits. That being said I do feel like this video applies to hero Shooters and other 1v1 fighter games better
Agreed man. Like I lose to online players and then I see the number of hours they spent playing and I’m like ohhhhh (my total playtime is like 160 hours and the people recently besting me played between 2000-5000 hours). It really gets me down when I lose but I realize they are much more patient and skilled in the games concepts than me. Like I still don’t know how to do some basic mechanics and I feel like until I do then I will keep losing. I honestly don’t have time to put in 5000 hours to this one game though…
This right here. No one wants to pick up a game that they’ll always lose in...
Hence why smash is a bad game imo
This content is underrated... why don't more people know about this channel...
Getting swept pisses me off more than anything.
I played super smash bros brawl when I was younger, then the Wii U version and now ultimate, I only started playing against higher cpus on switch. Each game is close I beat a lvl 8 by 2 and tried my first online match when I had a membership at the time. When I faced my opponent I got destroyed, and lost all confidence, because I really wanted to be good at the game. Until I found a new game at the time that was still in development before its release. That game is Multiversus, a Warner bros character based game which I like a lot more than smash cuz of the dodging mechanic is way easier to grasp and I liked the characters more. Only problem with multiversus at the time was it had some lack luster stuff in it. Long story short, I’m way better at multiversus facing real people than I am with smash bros ultimate. As multiversus returns, I can’t wait to play again and play as my favorite characters and hopefully become the great gamer I’ve always wanted to be. If you feel like you cant get better at one game try one that suits you better
With Hero you can probably lose to someone that's worse than you since he relies entirely on luck and is overall kinda bad
Not if ur using villager
I hate smash I literally freak out and stress myself off, I literally got to 7 something in gsp and I started calling people clowns because then it went all the way down to 4 something because I kept losing to a bunch of players
But I love it sometimes, I currently stopped cloud at a gsp of 5 smth, and I'm working on corrins and pits right now lol, sometimes I'm freaking out, and sometimes I'm just calmly playing like I wasnt freaking out the day before
Bro I got so angry bc of losing 24/7 that I literally never play online anymore because of how stupidly good people are and whatever I do never works, like when I find a really good combo and for some reason the person dodges it. I freaking hate it
Terrycord rise up
Whenever I play as a character online, after I do a move, I have to wait for literally an entire second before being able to do anything else again, no matter what character. I’m trying to 100% smash ultimate and I only have the worst challenges in the entire game (and probably series), the online challenges, which are near impossible for me because everyone playing now has probably been playing for 4/5 their entire lives, and I JUST started playing again. I now hate Nintendo and I now think that this is one of the worst games to 100% on the switch, no exceptions. Please help.
Your channel name is the real reason why I’m bad at smash
Projectile spam+lag=hell
This content is straight gas, keep it up!
Wtf do gas mean? Is that some you came up with?
Gas equals good in English slang like this nandos is gas
Today my gsp was constantly fluctuating. I started at 7.3 mil to 5.2 then to 7.4 and then to 6.5 mil
Yesterday my gsp was at 9.5 mil. Then it went straight to 4.8 mil.
i’ve been playing this game and studying watching videos for years but im still ducking ass as fuck and haven’t ever gotten any better and yea i get learning neutral which i think about during games but i can’t come out on top against cpus. i feel like getting into games at a later age instead of being addicted at 3 years old to games im just ass. imma just sell my switch now tbh. im over it in this thought process now that im getting to the point where i’m looking up why i suck
The reason why I'm losing is input lag.
Like it feels like it's delayed by one to two seconds instead of like six to seven milliseconds.
I've had 4-5 second input delays before. It's nuts.
Here’s the actual not drawn out for money reason you lose: Because you play for fun and play the way you like. If you want to be good, stop having fun and look up how to play a character well. Trash game
You have to like.. have no goals and not a busy life to be good at smash 🙃
Just so you can spend hours of practice to make the slightest progress
Idk man, it feels like everyone else is just better than me :/
qwality
I stopped playing SSBU online. I swear an god the emotions you feel after your done playing is absolutely horrible and honestly can't anymore; let's not forget about teabaggers
I understand there needed to be an example to base the video around, but it frustrates me to see that all anyone ever thought of samus was as a spam character. coming from a standpoint of having mained multiple of these "spam characters", like varia suit Samus and Ike, it annoys me to hear because I always try to use as many different attacks as possible as mix ups and it lead to greater versatility. I always made sure to not spam because it lead to much worse gameplay, but because of how some twelve year old kid plays their games I'll still end up being called a spammer whenever someone asks me who I play.
The characters don't spam, its who plays them, don't immediately assume they spam.
Did you just predict tera with your Pokémon analogy???
Flow charts are exactly how i get good at this game. My chart just gets bigger and more complicated as I learn. If its complex enough, isnt that the same as decision making? this is also the reason I will never be very good
Yo @You Suck at Neutral, is it also possible for the openings you rely on in a previous game being changed ,affects it?
Say a grab-reliant plan from Smash 4, which was removed in Ultimate. Or a heavily reliance on openings from grabs?
For sure! For example, Captain Falcon's Extended Dash Dance made him a very powerful whiff punisher in Smash 4. A lot of players played him because of his EDD.
However, in Ultimate he has a very bad dash dance, and the players who failed to adapt to that fell behind. Sometimes, those sorts of options can become a crutch, because while they can be very powerful, they can become overused to the point where the player using the option has no idea why they're using the option in the first place. If this happens, the player will see negative results if that option is removed or nerfed.
Hope this helped!
Brian Ding
@@yousuckatneutral8017 I see. I'll deff check more of your videos out! Thanks!
I hope I'm not coming off as rude, but if said player hasn't gotten used to ultimate by now, they might not be able to play ultimate at this point.
@@blackghostcat Naw you're fine m8 :D
I probably just need to take a break or change characters
@@r41k0n5 who do you play?
Praise God
I’m tired of online I think I’m ass at the game but my friend says I’m good right
Epic video 😎
The one to blame for losing is yourslef for hitting play in elite smash knowing that the opponent is gonna play out of his mind to make you not lose, but suffer.
Im glad to tirn off my seitch when i lose. It makes my opponent not win any gsp and it prevents me from playing for another 30 mins so i get less angry
The worst thing is: Nintendo charges you for this "service"
The problem for me, is that my first decision was to main a character with bad frame data that Nintendo refuses to buff instead of an S-tier Nintendo refuses to nerf, and nothing after that matters.
Fight the player, not the character
I dropped 5 million GSP with Byleth in one day.
Same but w link
Same, but w/ Pythra
Same but w lucas
@@thedogplush Just yesterday I managed to reach elite smash for the first time by using Lucas. It took me 729 matches.
What song is at 3:17
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 OST - Clock Tower Stage
I'm tired of being so bad in my schools tournament and being called speddie just because I have autism. I just get made fun of everytime I lose to someone in a 1-1 match. I'm so tired of it I don't wanna play this game anymore
It's all the fucking kazuyas
zoners should NOT have grabs or frame 4 aerials
I quit this game because ive been playing for years and havent won one game
what's website is this 0:40
Just tired of dlc characters. I don't pay to win
What about banjo?
Pyra & Mythra side/ up b spam
Ironically an amazing example
As a aegis main, god that’s so annoying
There's a pretty large recovery delay from those skills. If you can't avoid them you are really really bad at the game.
I just always lose
good shit
The online is aids thats why
@0:22 👀
This game is needlessly complicated and requires way too much free time to practice. I bought this game because my coworkers kept telling me how fun it is. Worst $60 I ever spent. For me it's exceptionally difficult and the learning curve is ridiculous. I absolutely suck at this game and now I never play it. I'm not a hardcore gamer and don't spend hours upon hours playing video games. I don't have the time needed to invest in this game. Sorry, I'll stick to MK and Uncharted 😂 fuck this game
Good because the online to this game is garbage
I obliterate lv. 9 CPUs daily, only to get creamed online.
Melee is a much better indicator of how skillful a player is. SSBU’s hit boxes are trash.
Bruh Melee's hitboxes are the jankiest shit ever seen LMAO
You're just bad
FACTS
Can't wait to go on and play against 40 foxes in a row
this visdeo did not explain how to deal with spammers
smash is a fucking joke of a game.shit lag online people just run and some character gimmicks are just stupid. just play a actual better fighting game.i still liked and sub for the effort put into video still well done
I keep getting beat by pichu. (I main pyra/mythra)
Damn really? Pyra is probably top 10 character in the game so you must not be very good but hey it's alright as long as your having fun
@@erikdelgado3609 no bro I can beat people online easy 5 times in a row with pyra and mythra but irl. I don't know I can't win
@@erikdelgado3609 listen I'm up and a stock but then the final stock I choke and get zero to deathed
@@erikdelgado3609 I think it's because I panic I I don't think it's a skill issue it's a mental issue. Because I beat people better than the pichu user
@@erikdelgado3609 it's not online battles that's the problem it's In real life tournaments
Smash online sucks, when I play 1v1 I always lose with low gsp players and I still lose like 12/2 match and also when I play on team match I always get that noob player, so unlucky, and always die first, I really don't want to play anymore, japanese players are always annoying.
I literally don’t spam lol and I still lose
Sora should be banned from smash online
Hah alright bro.
So what are you gonna do when a fucking Steve comes up in your lobby, and does nothing but disrespect you. And every single game you play.
Is that fucking Steve.
Every game.
And you loose, every game. Don’t act like smash bros doesn’t have sbmm like warzone do, cuz it does.
The smarter person should win at chess? There's so many issues with that statement my friend. Probably best not to make comments about top chess players if you don't know the game or what it takes. It's nothing to do with being 'smart' it's about starting the game at a very early age and working your ass off at it. There's no such thing as 'smart' - knowledge is gained, not given for free. Growth Mindset etc..
Number 1 reason net code sucks game sucks balancing sucks
This didnt help at all, i still suck at this game lol
Uninstall smash and your quality of life simply goes up. Just do it guys. Sell the game.
I’m “this guy” that people complain about losing to and it’s really funny
Ultimate is the worst smash bros game.
We ignore sm4sh
We ignore melee fox
1) *Smash is NOT a fighting game. STOP calling it a fighting game*
2) the way to "get better" in this game is to adopt a strategy that either encorperates spamming, zoning or switch to one of the many broken characters.
Because smash isnt a fighting game, it is not to be held to the standard of a fighting game:
Smash is not a skill-based game (as most FGs are), it is a mechanics-based *PARTY-GAME* with small (minded) "fighting" mechanics, so that it can be accessible to children.
Due to its nostalgic appeal it has become (very) popular with "adults"; who regularly exploit the games lack of balance--creating an extremely toxic online environment.
Simply put smash is unbalanced because it is not supposed to be. There are characters with 5 jumps, that can kill in 3 hits, have clearly absurd recovery-frames, clearly disproportionate hit/hurtboxes; etc.
*this is by design*
*Smash is designed to be played with items and stage mechanics, by children.* These things exist to mitigate/circumvent the *(clearly ridiculous)* roster. The characters are not designed to be pit directly against each other without intervention, this is the will of the "competitive adults" who regularly deny reality; and tell people that their rules (which are a pathetic attempt at imitating actual fighting games) are "thee" rules.
In smash there are no proportionate damage ratios, no balanced block or grab systems and things like "neutral game" are not transferable, since every character on the roster is fundamentally different from the last.
For people who want to be "good" at smash (a literal childrens game); you must foregoe the mentality of a fighting game. Play this game like the endless sea of trolls that do.
Pick a high-tier character, learn what their most broken advantages are; use this as a foundation to build your "skill" in this game.
As a person who regularly plays actual FGs and plays smash, you must remember that this is a party game...
You know who plays party games? Children, casuals and trolls.
man, you must SUCK at neutral
@@pure_slush Definitely
Can you beat Mkleo mr.partygame
Sounds like someone lost in smash
Smash is definitely a fighting game, it just doesn't mesh well with the traditional fighting game community because the skills don't translate very well. I can tell you don't know much about smash because you seem to think you can win by simply abusing a character's "broken advantages", go play pyra/mythra against a top level player on ganon and see how your shit gets rocked. You absolutely need to build up your skill in order to win. Neutral game is much more complex because of each character's differences, and I don't get the argument that it is "not a skill-based game, it is mechanics-based." What is skill if not mastering mechanics, combos, match-ups, neutral game, and mind-games? You can't complain about "poor balance" (even though ultimate is pretty damn well balanced all things considered) when ultimate has a roster 5 times the size of most other traditional fighting games. I'm not here to shit on the FGC, I just hate seeing people reduce the work of players in the smash pro scene because "hurr durr it's just a kids party game."
Maybe games to hard and cheap