So for the record: Short Hop - 30 times Short Hop -> Fast Fall - 30 times Short Hop -> Falling attack - 30 times Short Hop -> Rising Attack - 30 times. Short Hop -> Fast Falling -> Falling attack - 30 times. Short Hop -> Fast Fall whilst moving - 30 times. Short Hop -> Rising Attack whilst moving - 30 times. Short Hop - Fast Fall -> Falling attack while moving - 30 times. Anything i missed?
This is handily one of the best videos for Ultimate available right now for players who understand what "nair" means and get some of the basic gameplay elements but don't understand the difference between their play and what they see pros doing. I feel like a lot of pro content creators get really bogged down in jargon that doesn't make any sense to casual players, but this was incredibly comprehensive while still being easy to understand. It actually made me seriously consider shelling out a few bucks for coaching. Seriously, I'd love to see more content like this. The controller cam was a great idea, too.
I 100% agree with you- the jargon kills most people's motivation to improve- it just sounds like unnecessarily confusing nonsense unless you already know what it means, and even then it's hardly worth the time saved saying it. While in actuality? All of this jargon-ified stuff is actually really simple and accessible to do when it's said in English. Like, we're learning how to play a game competitively- we shouldn't have to be basically learning a mini language on top of that. So yeah- guides like this which just explain things clearly instead of assuming understanding of slang terminology are really appreciated. After all- if we already knew all of these terms, we'd hardly need a guide in the first place, would we?
@@ricky4379 Jump + attack is indeed an easy version for the short up aereal attacks. But, because it's an easy version, I've seen that it will do less % damage. it's still an option while learning, but as he's shown there are better ones later.
Finally a tutorial that actually holds your hand and doesn't last 30 mins long. As a scrub in the game you've earned yourself a sub. I hope in the future you do some tutorials on how to link this into a combo. I'm quite bad at em.
After you learn fundamentals, you'll probably want to start watching character specific tutorials, as each approach and combo depends on the character.
@@rawtrout007 barely any professional smash players use Joy cons because it's less comfortable, has smaller buttons, and they're simply not used to it. Same goed for pro controller but that's a little more popular.
After watching this video and practicing for 3 days 4h each on the 4th day i won 6 straight matches in low gps most of them full stocked, i was really getting tired of getting bodied and i almost gave up on the game, then this video showed up and you saved me, winning deffo makes you enjoy the game, and especially close matches! Thank youtube for putting a good reccomendation for once
seriously helpful, so many bullshit tutorials pointing out obvious things and ignoring what we actually want to learn. thanks for taking the time and actually helping me to improve, quite a bit.
After a week of practising this, I've gotten so much better. Still making mistakes like full jumping instead of short hopping, or I press down too early. But against friends, I find myself doing SO MUCH BETTER. So thank you!
This is an amazing video. As a vet of FPS games, where I understand every hidden mechanic and perform them like second nature. Learning these things and finding them can be so tedious. Took me thousands of hours in CSGO, Overwatch and other FPS games to learn the techniques I know. Doing it all over again for a whole different genre is quite daunting. But, you’ve made my journey less painful with this amazingly informative and helpful video. Thanks JTails! Subbed.
Hey I'm really happy to hear this man! As someone who also dabbles in fps games, I know exactly what you mean. I've been focusing on Valorant a lot lately.
Dude this is so well done. Excellent teaching. Thank you. I would really enjoy a lesson 1, 2, 3 and so on. The exercise suggestions is gold. I need that to know how to get better. Thank you
You've been my favorite smash tuber man. This was extremely helpful man. I've been off and on playing for years but this has seemed to help me the most
Nice we just played each other in elite Smash Jtails. I played ness you played Diddy and then we got matched up again Ness Vs Snake. Happy Holidays man. GGS
Okay...this video was fantastic! Even after just 30 minutes of practicing I'm already feeling better. Can't wait to see how much more natural this all feels after a couple of weeks of daily practice! Thanks a ton for this vid man!
Awesome video! I've been alternating lamenting and practicing, because I HAD THAT SHIT DOWN in Smash4. I went through the same training. But I didn't know about differing jump speeds and gimped myself by using my main Ganondorf for practice. Now am back to square one because 3 frames are insane...
As a veteran smash player: you are doing wonderful things, man. You're just so wholesome and nice. Keep being awesome, JTails. You are appreciated by newcomers and veterans alike.
Amazing tutorial, keep it up! If I had a suggestion, maybe a video covering out of shield options in more depth? I know this differs from character to character, but it would be really helpful to me and I'm guessing a lot of other players as well.
okay so ultimate is my first real smash game, i played on the 3ds but it really did not count, and i am getting destroyed in ultimate and the whole time i think to myself i must be missing something... in high level game-play they move so fast, and i had no clue what i was missing, then this video showed up on my feed and low and behold the missing stuff i needed... so now like one punch man... 100 short hops.... then 100 short hops quick falls, then 100 short hops quick falls aerial's
@@ksmuffin you need both. you can get a good understanding of why players do stuff just by watching pro matches. however, knowing why you should use a certain tool means nothing if you can't use that tool.
Best ultimate video for beginners (and not so beginners) that I have seen from ultimate. Will do that for 30 times in a row every day for a month for sure.
I use pro controller... I don’t see a lot of guides that use the pro controller, and I’m pretty new to the game the gamecube controller isn’t something I’m familiar with, but here’s how I consistently short hop! So basically when you set two buttons to jump, and press the two buttons/trigger at the same time, you short hop! I main Cloud, so my neutral is just... ✨AERIAL✨ and I wanted to get better, so I watched a cloud main who I consider the best in the world, “Sparg0” he short hop -> bairs a LOT! So what I’m comfortable with is setting the buttons “X” and “Y” to jump and just pressing them at the same time, then back airing Hopefully this helps for my fellow Pro controller kings/queens 😎
Thanks a lot dude, i'm doing this routine daily for like a few days now and i'm really feeling the improvement every time. There's no better training guide than this. It's quick, simple and effective, thanks again!
Watched this when you originally released it. Came up as a reccomendem. Clicked on it just to look back on it. Movement on this level was the one thing holding my play back. Since watching this tutorial I got my wolf into elite smash and have stayed elite with ease. Without your excellent tutorial I dont think I wouldve had and maintained my success. Thank sir👍
Short hopping reliably whilst moving is kinda hard. Doing so online whilst someone's trying to stab me is even harder. Still, that's what practicing is for, I'm already a little better at non-A shorthops. Thanks for the tutorial.
Man, watching his hands during this... My hands already feel tired if I play Smash for an hour or more, and this looks WAY more strenuous. It's actually kind of intimidating.
After learning the tech in melee... It's not about how hard you press things or how fast you flick the controls, it's all about execution and timing. Whenever you feel like your hands are getting tired, take a break and try to assess which actions make your hand tired in that way, and try to minimize the stress on your hand with those actions. Hope this helps!
(as an example wavedashing, while not a big thing in Ultimate, was huge in melee. Pressing the triggers made my whole hand tired from gripping the controller too hard, so I learned to press the gamecube shoulder buttons from the edge of the trigger and loosened up my hand while doing so!)
Be relaxed when gripping and you'll be fine. Melee people only complain about hurt hands because execution is absurd. Imagine for every tech he demonstrates there's an equivalent that needs 1-3 more inputs depending on what character you use (spacies are much more tech heavy).
Thank you for the controller cam. I feel like all smash videos are sort of out of my grasp, using terms I don't understand yet. I was able to understand and improve significantly since you had the controller in the top left.
looing at what i'd need to learn in order to get better at smash..... i don't even have a pro controller, i just use the switch with joycons attached. and...uh... i guess i'll just accept my gpa will always be 100,000 for any character i play.
i'm hella new, this is my first smash game (bought it 2 days ago) and i have been searching a video like this, THANK YOU! i have watched videos where they say "yeah you can jump, attack, tilt attack so on and so on" but they don't show you how to do it they just say it, i feel that these type of thing is important to show. Great video!
Jtails can you make a check list for us? i know you said 30 Short hops 30 Fast fall Short hops 30 Short hop fast fall aerials 30 Dashing Short hops 30 Dashing short hops aerials / rising aerials
Short Hop - 30 times Short Hop -> Fast Fall - 30 times Short Hop -> Falling attack & Rising attack - 50 times each (optional, do it if your main's combos require it) Short Hop -> Fast Falling -> Falling attack & Rising attack - 50 times each Short Hop -> Fast Fall whilst moving - 30 times. Short Hop -> Falling attack & Rising attack moving - 50 times each (also optional) Short Hop - Fast Fall -> Falling attack & Rising attack while moving - 50 times each if you can't do them in a row, just do it x100 the original amount. ex 30 times in a row -> 300 times total Something I found useful is to treat this like you would any other muscle. You don't want to get stuck at short hops and call it a day. Work on trying to do all of these techniques. He never said to do one. Do them all to the best of your ability. Its like how when you can't do a pull up, you don't just try to do one pull up a day and give up. You work out other parts of your arms where you are lacking and eventually you get better not only in other parts, but in the pull ups you were trying to get stronger at. Sorry if its hard to understand, just know that you need to work on all of the exercises to get better at short hops in general.
In pass smash games I've never knew any other way to short jump besides using the main joystick. But when I started playing ultimate I had to switch to my GameCube control for everything to feel normal this helps me a lot glad I found it
You can also shorthop by keybinding jump to two buttons and pressing them at the same time. For me I have left trigger and X as my jump on classic GameCube! Just though id mention this because it helps me alot :)
@@JulesTrades I got a pro controller for Christmas and within a few minutes I'm able to do 30+ consecutive shorthop fastfalls with ease! I still gotta work on the aerial muscle memory but the difference is night and day. By the way, I really appreciate the reply and content, thanks for doing what you do💜
Kaittycat Pro Controller is definitely the way to go. Although I didn't find the Joy Cons all that bad. The buttons are fine but the sticks are pretty bad.
@@LeeJayBird21 I've had the opposite problem. Sticks feel fine to me but trying to short hop on those tiny buttons is fucking bonkers. Never mind short hopping on the triggers. I know I need to learn it but damn is it hard.
Came to the video after thinking I was ok because I could beat all CPUs pretty easy. Turns out I get out maneuvered and pressured constantly in online matches. Time to do some studying and practicing. The inclusion of the hand cam is really useful, thanks!
I constantly used the rising aerials in ultimate diddnt in 4 but the new mechanic made me use it more so now I’m really rusty with shorthopping now I’m doing this to get out of that habit so thanks!!
Spent like 30 minutes trying to do 30 shorthops in a row with my Gamecube controller. Couldn't do it. Most I got was like 12. Switched to my Pro Controller and did it within a few minutes.
Gage Middaugh Yeah the only advantage a GC controller has is slightly less input delay. So Pro Controller is better unless you're trying to win tournaments.
@@LeeJayBird21 I don't think it is true the GC controller has less input delay than Pro Controller. There have been a lot of mixed results in videos, but I haven't seen someone test wired Pro Controller vs GC Controller while the Wired only Pro Controller setting in the Switch menu is turned on. I have heard multiple reports of the GC controller actually having more delay than the Pro Controller, even when Pro is wireless.
@@LeeJayBird21 The actual only two potential advantages the GC controller has are the octagonally gated analogues (makes it easier to hit cardinals/intercardinals consistently), and that it's familiar to veteran players. Outside of that, the L/R buttons are slightly inferior due to changes in how the Switch reads them, and testing does seem to show that wired connections actually have slightly slower latency than wireless. (Inputs registering a frame faster on wireless about 60% of the time.)
@@LeeJayBird21 its true pro controller is better imo, veterans have just been using Gamecube for so many years they wont switch even tho its the most delay
@@hotaru-3 I can do SH's indefinitely with a GC controller. It's a matter of experience. But pro controller is also tournament-viable. Use what feels best.
You never went over why using x+a to short hop attack is bad. Im guessing that its because you cant control when the attack comes out during your jump?
@@SilentAsugi for real? Wtf. If this is true then they REALLY need to add the ability to turn this off. This is just another reason to add that on top of the huge list of other reasons
I keep having trouble with short hopping, i can usually get about 4-5 in a row before doing a full hop (im using a gamecube controller btw) so i dont really know how to keep it going, as it gets sorta fustrating when attempting it and constantly getting full hops
You just have to be more consistent, it isn't the controller. My advice is to try performing it more slowly so that you can be more consistent. Then speed up as you get more comfortable. If you try and go too fast you're more likely to mess up. Honestly it's just practice and this stuff isn't easy.
I've heard multiple times that it helps to think about releasing the button fast rather then pressing it fast, trying to quickly slide your finger across and off the jump button is another way to try doing it
Blue Bluish Just remember that to perform a short hop you have to release the jump button quickly rather than pressing it quickly. Think of it like touching a hot stove. As soon as your finger presses on it, you jerk it back.
I find that resting the tip of your thumb on the very bottom of X and then kinda pulling down while pressing so the button really "clicks" is the best way.
shield isn't the best option in this game in general, it's often better to throw a fast retreating aerial than to shield when you feel pressured, you jump out and attack or use a fast special when opponent whiffs on your shield to punish, or jump back out of shield to reposition when your op can't punish it/you read they're running in for grab
Carefully choosing my attacks is something I'm learning you shouldn't always be looking to be on offense which then leaves you vulnerable being over aggressive so finding the balance is where I'm currently tweaking my game
Hi Jtails, what do you think about the new 2.0 short hop mechanic. I guess it can be more consistent at all levels of play, but I'm not sure. Will you switch over to shoulder+x/y for short hop, which I guess will be 100% consistent ?
Super helpful. I'm not new to the franchise but I've been having a hell of a time controlling basic movement in the new game for some reason. The game is fun enough for me to be willing to do some drills to get better at it.
This is because a short hop requires you to let go of the jump button before the 'Jumpsquat' ends, which is the frames while your character is squatting before the jump. In Ultimate, all jumpsquats have been buffed to finish after 3 frames, meaning the window for a short hop has been made really tight.
Lanier Pasha But you don't always want to attack with your short hop or sometimes it's better to delay your short hop aerial so you can hit shorter characters or hit just the first hit of a multihit move. It's necessary to learn short hopping by itself.
Finally a video where I can see which buttons the player is pressing. I have to say that I am new to the smash series and recently I only played vs friends local and the spirit adventure... and I didn’t you can roll XD Good vid
papa jho same. Pretty sure it’s only because if the reduced jumpsquat (everyone’s is 3 frames now). I suppose it’s just something we’ll have to get used to
Alessandra Duffie do you think controllers affect this in any way? I only have joy-cons for now, and i’m not sure if the responsiveness is causing a more difficult short hop
sB33doez nugget absolutely. I find the only way I can reliably short hop on the joycons is by binding jump to the Right bumper and placing my finger on the far edge of it and sliding my finger off the edge.
@@sb33doeznugget32 if anything it seems joycons have cases where they're more responsive than gcc with adapter , inputs all around are different to smash 4, there's some carry over but everyone needs to learn how to move in the new engine, even the pros have been flubbing some things due to unhelpful muscle memory + changes to how & when inputs register
So I played 64, Meelee, and Brawl but never owned a copy of 4 because I got pretty devtoted to more standard fighting games, and now I'm trying to get back into Smash, so I'm glad I found this video to help me relearn all the fundamentals that I forgot.
He cant be too serious. He must have been prioritizing a reply from Jtails instead of actually wanting an answer. I just got my PowerA Wired GC for 30 bucks
never thought that walking could be useful. i rarely see vods of people doing that in a match, maybe im just not looking hard enough? anyways, the controller cam was SUCH a good call. great video
No matter what I do, I can't seem to get the short hop consistantly. Not only that, but it seems kinda impossible for me to then input A and a direction, then press down after. If I try to use y for jump and have part of my thumb on A, then I end up hitting A so early after jump that I get the rising ariel. I'm not sure what to do. I feel as though my finger just can't excute the short hop like I'm just pressing another button. It tends to fail when I do short hops one after another. If someone could help it would be much appreciated.
I don't know if it's because I'm used to my finger being directly on the buttons, and then pressing it in. If a go for a short hop ariel, I end up pressing the button harder as my hands are trying to move quickly to get the inputs in on time. I'm so confused on what I should be trying to do.
ZoraOfTime sounds like you just gotta chill out. You have longer than you think to push your aerial on a shorthop. Practise just shorthopping without aerials and fast falling until you're more comfortable
Alright, I won't focus on ariels at first. However, is there any way of positioning my finger that will make it easier for short hops while still making it somewhat comfortable? Maybe my issue with that is because I have small hands. Thank you for helping me.
quality content. I am new to this game, short hop is definitely my biggest challenge now as the buffer for it is really narrow. I do not like to press jump and A simultaneously for short hop attacks, been punished too much by my opponents for doing that as my go-to
Zamilo91 I would recommend the A button. C stick has some weird problems with buffering aerials in this game that will definitely make you throw out the wrong move sometimes. If you use a button you don’t have to worry about that
Zamilo91 combination of both. If you only use one of them you are a bit limited to what you can do so its a good idea to do a mix of both. For example the rising aerials is really easy to do with jump+a but not jump+cstick.
so much better than zero's videos, me as a new player, find it hard to understand the jargon that he uses and i just dont think i can ever understand any of his videos but i love the way you cater to new players. thank you jtails!
I'm a very confident casual (definitely not pro) player, and this particular tutorial made me realize a couple of weak points in my Smash game. Thanks for the tutorial, mate. Great advice for newcomers who DESPERATELY need to stop spamming F-tilt. 😂
Brilliant tutorial. I just recently got the game and have a lot of catching up to do, so I was lucky to stumble upon you channel. Best believe I'm Smashing that subscribe button!
Thank god an actually tutorial where they tell you how to practice 🙏
Praise the Lord!!😊
So for the record:
Short Hop - 30 times
Short Hop -> Fast Fall - 30 times
Short Hop -> Falling attack - 30 times
Short Hop -> Rising Attack - 30 times.
Short Hop -> Fast Falling -> Falling attack - 30 times.
Short Hop -> Fast Fall whilst moving - 30 times.
Short Hop -> Rising Attack whilst moving - 30 times.
Short Hop - Fast Fall -> Falling attack while moving - 30 times.
Anything i missed?
Not all heroes wear capes.
I do these in online battles
These are basically how i do combos lol
Is this Saitama's training regiment?
@@9000And1Fails yeah do this untill your head is bold
@@9000And1Fails I was about to make a similar comment, I read the OP comment with that scene in the background and it was perfect! xD
This is handily one of the best videos for Ultimate available right now for players who understand what "nair" means and get some of the basic gameplay elements but don't understand the difference between their play and what they see pros doing. I feel like a lot of pro content creators get really bogged down in jargon that doesn't make any sense to casual players, but this was incredibly comprehensive while still being easy to understand. It actually made me seriously consider shelling out a few bucks for coaching.
Seriously, I'd love to see more content like this. The controller cam was a great idea, too.
Been 4 months, but just wanted to tell you there's plenty of smash jargon guides, notably BananaBoy's.
I 100% agree with you- the jargon kills most people's motivation to improve- it just sounds like unnecessarily confusing nonsense unless you already know what it means, and even then it's hardly worth the time saved saying it. While in actuality? All of this jargon-ified stuff is actually really simple and accessible to do when it's said in English.
Like, we're learning how to play a game competitively- we shouldn't have to be basically learning a mini language on top of that.
So yeah- guides like this which just explain things clearly instead of assuming understanding of slang terminology are really appreciated.
After all- if we already knew all of these terms, we'd hardly need a guide in the first place, would we?
This hands down better than both Zero's & Leffen's movement guides.
ReveN they are the definition of having the skill but very little ability to teach
Good players aren't always good coaches. I agree with what you are saying.
True being a good player doesn't make you a good teacher
Just like dash in and like hit da buttons
ReveN get Melee
I wish we could default one of the jump buttons into a short hop button
Right!? Seems so obvious, but yet.....
David Pangrac even more weird because they acknowledge the convenience of short hopping with using x+a
i thought i heard somewhere that this was a thing, but i guess jump+attack was what came of it :(
Yeah. So difficult to consistently do it. Aggravating learning curve. Some characters are terrible without short hopping.
@@ricky4379 Jump + attack is indeed an easy version for the short up aereal attacks. But, because it's an easy version, I've seen that it will do less % damage. it's still an option while learning, but as he's shown there are better ones later.
Finally a tutorial that actually holds your hand and doesn't last 30 mins long.
As a scrub in the game you've earned yourself a sub.
I hope in the future you do some tutorials on how to link this into a combo. I'm quite bad at em.
I got youuu
from scrub to sub
Kowalski analysis
After you learn fundamentals, you'll probably want to start watching character specific tutorials, as each approach and combo depends on the character.
Controller cam was a good idea
Very
Agreed
where the joycons at
@@rawtrout007 barely any professional smash players use Joy cons because it's less comfortable, has smaller buttons, and they're simply not used to it. Same goed for pro controller but that's a little more popular.
@@Ryan_vdp Lmao imagine playing a nintendo switch but with a controller for a different console lmao Simp
thanks for teaching
You're very welcome!
@@JulesTrades What controller do you use?
@@barroth3658 he uses the gamecube controller for the nintendo switch
After watching this video and practicing for 3 days 4h each on the 4th day i won 6 straight matches in low gps most of them full stocked, i was really getting tired of getting bodied and i almost gave up on the game, then this video showed up and you saved me, winning deffo makes you enjoy the game, and especially close matches! Thank youtube for putting a good reccomendation for once
Thank you for this comment!!! I'm really really glad people are still finding it and that it's helping!
I’m going to try this to
seriously helpful, so many bullshit tutorials pointing out obvious things and ignoring what we actually want to learn. thanks for taking the time and actually helping me to improve, quite a bit.
You have a real talent for teaching (not limited to smash, it's clear). Great Job, and Thank you!
After a week of practising this, I've gotten so much better. Still making mistakes like full jumping instead of short hopping, or I press down too early. But against friends, I find myself doing SO MUCH BETTER. So thank you!
Hey super happy to hear this! I'm really glad it's helpful to you, please keep sharing!
@@JulesTrades Yep! Sharing it with my friends. Keep up the good work!
This is an amazing video. As a vet of FPS games, where I understand every hidden mechanic and perform them like second nature. Learning these things and finding them can be so tedious. Took me thousands of hours in CSGO, Overwatch and other FPS games to learn the techniques I know. Doing it all over again for a whole different genre is quite daunting. But, you’ve made my journey less painful with this amazingly informative and helpful video. Thanks JTails! Subbed.
Hey I'm really happy to hear this man! As someone who also dabbles in fps games, I know exactly what you mean. I've been focusing on Valorant a lot lately.
Dude this is so well done. Excellent teaching. Thank you. I would really enjoy a lesson 1, 2, 3 and so on. The exercise suggestions is gold.
I need that to know how to get better.
Thank you
Jtails with that S tier teaching
Jtails, this is actually so sick. Thank you so much. It's such a simple routine but progressively gets harder. I cannot thank you enough dude.
You've been my favorite smash tuber man. This was extremely helpful man. I've been off and on playing for years but this has seemed to help me the most
This is quite helpful. I find it a LOT easier to do consistent short hops with a GameCube controller than the Joycons!
Nice we just played each other in elite Smash Jtails. I played ness you played Diddy and then we got matched up again Ness Vs Snake. Happy Holidays man. GGS
Happy Holidays and GGs!!
This video helped me understand why I keep losing to fast Inklings. Thanks! Gonna practice practice practice XD
Heres one of my problems tho:
My grab range: brawl ganondorf
Opponents grab range: melee marth
Ikr
Apparently if you dash attack into a grab in quick succession your grab range is extended a bit, try it out
Okay...this video was fantastic! Even after just 30 minutes of practicing I'm already feeling better. Can't wait to see how much more natural this all feels after a couple of weeks of daily practice!
Thanks a ton for this vid man!
The best smash teacher for free
Seriously, one of your videos taught me more than 100 other videos. You’re a natural teacher. Nice job.
1:01 Beginners like to roll
Me: How do you roll
Yonay Valdes hold shield and move left or right accordingly
Yes and i hate it
As a beginner I liked to use Ike's aether to move
My first main was link and i tried to get arrows in mid air
Best movement guide on RUclips period. Really enjoy the idea of having some homework to practice and will be watching this while I train as well.
Awesome video! I've been alternating lamenting and practicing, because I HAD THAT SHIT DOWN in Smash4. I went through the same training. But I didn't know about differing jump speeds and gimped myself by using my main Ganondorf for practice. Now am back to square one because 3 frames are insane...
Fr I can’t get that shit down, 3 frames are you kidding me? (Your probably got it down by now)
As a veteran smash player: you are doing wonderful things, man. You're just so wholesome and nice. Keep being awesome, JTails. You are appreciated by newcomers and veterans alike.
Amazing tutorial, keep it up!
If I had a suggestion, maybe a video covering out of shield options in more depth? I know this differs from character to character, but it would be really helpful to me and I'm guessing a lot of other players as well.
Nair, up smash, up B, jump away are the most common options for OOS
Completely new to Smash, and was finding movement absolutely bewildering. This is exactly what I needed. Good stuff, consider me subscribed!
okay so ultimate is my first real smash game, i played on the 3ds but it really did not count, and i am getting destroyed in ultimate and the whole time i think to myself i must be missing something... in high level game-play they move so fast, and i had no clue what i was missing, then this video showed up on my feed and low and behold the missing stuff i needed... so now like one punch man... 100 short hops.... then 100 short hops quick falls, then 100 short hops quick falls aerial's
Just be sure to stop before all of your hair falls out. Smash ain't worth that.
Don't forget the 10 mile run.
Movement is nothing without a purpose. Sure the dashing is good but understand why players do it. That's more important than anything, imo
@@ksmuffin you need both. you can get a good understanding of why players do stuff just by watching pro matches. however, knowing why you should use a certain tool means nothing if you can't use that tool.
@@rishabhanand4973 yeah you basically just re worded what I said.. lmao
a good trick if ur using the joycons, just tap on both jump buttons to get an easy short hop, one of my friends told me that and it works pretty good
Finally someone with an actual how to do movement on Smash
Best ultimate video for beginners (and not so beginners) that I have seen from ultimate.
Will do that for 30 times in a row every day for a month for sure.
I use pro controller... I don’t see a lot of guides that use the pro controller, and I’m pretty new to the game the gamecube controller isn’t something I’m familiar with, but here’s how I consistently short hop!
So basically when you set two buttons to jump, and press the two buttons/trigger at the same time, you short hop!
I main Cloud, so my neutral is just... ✨AERIAL✨ and I wanted to get better, so I watched a cloud main who I consider the best in the world, “Sparg0” he short hop -> bairs a LOT! So what I’m comfortable with is setting the buttons “X” and “Y” to jump and just pressing them at the same time, then back airing
Hopefully this helps for my fellow Pro controller kings/queens 😎
This is still an amazing video for people who are trying to get better at the game but aren't naturals when it comes to speed play. Thank you!
I can already feel the carpal tunnel kicking in haha
Dude holy shit with this video i actually improved! Im very grateful for you to really take time and make something so well done.
No one talks about this yet it’s so important to know.
Thanks a lot dude, i'm doing this routine daily for like a few days now and i'm really feeling the improvement every time. There's no better training guide than this. It's quick, simple and effective, thanks again!
This guy's movement is so fluid that you can see the veins pop out from his hands.
Watched this when you originally released it. Came up as a reccomendem. Clicked on it just to look back on it. Movement on this level was the one thing holding my play back. Since watching this tutorial I got my wolf into elite smash and have stayed elite with ease. Without your excellent tutorial I dont think I wouldve had and maintained my success. Thank sir👍
Short hopping reliably whilst moving is kinda hard.
Doing so online whilst someone's trying to stab me is even harder.
Still, that's what practicing is for, I'm already a little better at non-A shorthops.
Thanks for the tutorial.
Probably the best Smash guide I've encountered so far, thanks for making this! This really was informative and helpful.
Good training video, thanks!
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Just did 53 consecutive short hop fast falls 🙌
improved considerably by watching and putting in practice Jtails advises, great teacher
Jtails i know I’m late but awesome tutorial
By far the most helpful tutorial on short hop fast fall aerials I've found. Thanks man.
Yo Jtails what's your control scheme trying to find something new and yours looks so fluid. Great tutorial by the way.
I'm 1:38 into the video and I just want to say that I love you for saying "recovery frames" and not fucking "ENDLAG". Great vid, liked and subbed!
Man, watching his hands during this... My hands already feel tired if I play Smash for an hour or more, and this looks WAY more strenuous. It's actually kind of intimidating.
After learning the tech in melee... It's not about how hard you press things or how fast you flick the controls, it's all about execution and timing. Whenever you feel like your hands are getting tired, take a break and try to assess which actions make your hand tired in that way, and try to minimize the stress on your hand with those actions. Hope this helps!
(as an example wavedashing, while not a big thing in Ultimate, was huge in melee. Pressing the triggers made my whole hand tired from gripping the controller too hard, so I learned to press the gamecube shoulder buttons from the edge of the trigger and loosened up my hand while doing so!)
Be relaxed when gripping and you'll be fine. Melee people only complain about hurt hands because execution is absurd. Imagine for every tech he demonstrates there's an equivalent that needs 1-3 more inputs depending on what character you use (spacies are much more tech heavy).
@@fasagalag melee falco murdered my hands, can't imagine what would happen if I picked up fox loool
Justin Ok as someone who can play both, melee fox is significantly faster. Ive never hurt my hands before fox lol.
Thank you for the controller cam. I feel like all smash videos are sort of out of my grasp, using terms I don't understand yet. I was able to understand and improve significantly since you had the controller in the top left.
looing at what i'd need to learn in order to get better at smash..... i don't even have a pro controller, i just use the switch with joycons attached. and...uh... i guess i'll just accept my gpa will always be 100,000 for any character i play.
*gsp
What do you mean is it easy with a pro controller
U can get better everyday u got to dedicate
i'm hella new, this is my first smash game (bought it 2 days ago) and i have been searching a video like this, THANK YOU! i have watched videos where they say "yeah you can jump, attack, tilt attack so on and so on" but they don't show you how to do it they just say it, i feel that these type of thing is important to show. Great video!
Jtails can you make a check list for us? i know you said
30 Short hops
30 Fast fall Short hops
30 Short hop fast fall aerials
30 Dashing Short hops
30 Dashing short hops aerials / rising aerials
My fingers hurt just from watching LMAO
Thank you for this tutorial! Can't wait to get this game
Hahahha same tbh
I hope to help you out with more guides after you get the game! :)
Pressing X and Y at the same time will let you shorthop without attacking for anyone struggling.
You're a legend
Is it still the same as in the vid?@Bloq
You can also set a different button to jump if you don’t want to use x and y. I personally use y and zr
Probably the most helpful smash video I've seen to elevate my game to the next level
Short Hop - 30 times
Short Hop -> Fast Fall - 30 times
Short Hop -> Falling attack & Rising attack - 50 times
each (optional, do it if your main's combos require it)
Short Hop -> Fast Falling -> Falling attack & Rising attack - 50 times
each
Short Hop -> Fast Fall whilst moving - 30 times.
Short Hop -> Falling attack & Rising attack moving - 50 times
each (also optional)
Short Hop - Fast Fall -> Falling attack & Rising attack while moving - 50 times
each
if you can't do them in a row, just do it x100 the original amount. ex 30 times in a row -> 300 times total
Something I found useful is to treat this like you would any other muscle. You don't want to get stuck at short hops and call it a day. Work on trying to do all of these techniques. He never said to do one. Do them all to the best of your ability.
Its like how when you can't do a pull up, you don't just try to do one pull up a day and give up. You work out other parts of your arms where you are lacking and eventually you get better not only in other parts, but in the pull ups you were trying to get stronger at. Sorry if its hard to understand, just know that you need to work on all of the exercises to get better at short hops in general.
Thx I will try this..
Oh wow ok! I was struggling trying to get past 8 short hops and I just go to 30 I’m proud even though that progress is very minor..
In pass smash games I've never knew any other way to short jump besides using the main joystick. But when I started playing ultimate I had to switch to my GameCube control for everything to feel normal this helps me a lot glad I found it
Huh, 3 frames? That seems a pretty tight window. Makes sense though, since that’s right before the jump squat ends.
You can also shorthop by keybinding jump to two buttons and pressing them at the same time. For me I have left trigger and X as my jump on classic GameCube! Just though id mention this because it helps me alot :)
Feels really hard to short hop with the joycons
Oh yeah :/ with the joycons I think that it's going to be a bit harder, I'd recommend a pro controller maybe if you can save up for one!
@@JulesTrades I got a pro controller for Christmas and within a few minutes I'm able to do 30+ consecutive shorthop fastfalls with ease! I still gotta work on the aerial muscle memory but the difference is night and day. By the way, I really appreciate the reply and content, thanks for doing what you do💜
Kaittycat Pro Controller is definitely the way to go. Although I didn't find the Joy Cons all that bad. The buttons are fine but the sticks are pretty bad.
@@LeeJayBird21 I've had the opposite problem. Sticks feel fine to me but trying to short hop on those tiny buttons is fucking bonkers. Never mind short hopping on the triggers. I know I need to learn it but damn is it hard.
@@LeeJayBird21 I flub directional Bs all the time on joycons because of the sticks lol
As a Corrin main that relies on short hop attacks, thank you for this video. Glad youtube is actually putting videos that I like for once now.
I like the description of the video a lot
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This video is fucking fantastic I’ve been looking for content like this as I’m brand new to smash.
From what I've read, you'll be at peak recovery lag at 6 rolls, but I'm not sure how long or what refreshes your roll end-lag.
brocmt thats what I’m also trying to find out
Ricky I’m pretty sure it’s like the stale moves. So if you attack or do something else I think the lag goes away
Maxwell Bell no it’s a timer
I think it recharges slowly like shield
Came to the video after thinking I was ok because I could beat all CPUs pretty easy. Turns out I get out maneuvered and pressured constantly in online matches. Time to do some studying and practicing. The inclusion of the hand cam is really useful, thanks!
Happy to hear this!! Thank you for the comment :)
CPU have insane reflex's and make you create bad habits for playing online, I thought the same thing too lol.
Wait you do lessons?!
I need to try that when/if I get my Switch.
I constantly used the rising aerials in ultimate diddnt in 4 but the new mechanic made me use it more so now I’m really rusty with shorthopping now I’m doing this to get out of that habit so thanks!!
Spent like 30 minutes trying to do 30 shorthops in a row with my Gamecube controller. Couldn't do it. Most I got was like 12. Switched to my Pro Controller and did it within a few minutes.
Gage Middaugh Yeah the only advantage a GC controller has is slightly less input delay. So Pro Controller is better unless you're trying to win tournaments.
@@LeeJayBird21 I don't think it is true the GC controller has less input delay than Pro Controller. There have been a lot of mixed results in videos, but I haven't seen someone test wired Pro Controller vs GC Controller while the Wired only Pro Controller setting in the Switch menu is turned on. I have heard multiple reports of the GC controller actually having more delay than the Pro Controller, even when Pro is wireless.
@@LeeJayBird21 The actual only two potential advantages the GC controller has are the octagonally gated analogues (makes it easier to hit cardinals/intercardinals consistently), and that it's familiar to veteran players. Outside of that, the L/R buttons are slightly inferior due to changes in how the Switch reads them, and testing does seem to show that wired connections actually have slightly slower latency than wireless. (Inputs registering a frame faster on wireless about 60% of the time.)
@@LeeJayBird21 its true pro controller is better imo, veterans have just been using Gamecube for so many years they wont switch even tho its the most delay
@@hotaru-3 I can do SH's indefinitely with a GC controller. It's a matter of experience. But pro controller is also tournament-viable. Use what feels best.
I use your 30 times perfectly in a row method for everything now it’s honestly really conducive to learning thank you
You never went over why using x+a to short hop attack is bad. Im guessing that its because you cant control when the attack comes out during your jump?
He did cover it, he just referred to them as rising aerials
Also, using that X+A combo makes the attack do less damage compare to a normal aerials
MILES ASUGI really? Damn thanks dude i didnt know that
@@SilentAsugi for real? Wtf. If this is true then they REALLY need to add the ability to turn this off. This is just another reason to add that on top of the huge list of other reasons
@@omsa Don't be alarmed bros. Any short hop aerial does less damage than a full hop aerial. It's not just x+a aerials.
Very useful, finally someone that explains clearly the aerial phase of smash.
I keep having trouble with short hopping, i can usually get about 4-5 in a row before doing a full hop (im using a gamecube controller btw) so i dont really know how to keep it going, as it gets sorta fustrating when attempting it and constantly getting full hops
You just have to be more consistent, it isn't the controller. My advice is to try performing it more slowly so that you can be more consistent. Then speed up as you get more comfortable. If you try and go too fast you're more likely to mess up. Honestly it's just practice and this stuff isn't easy.
I've heard multiple times that it helps to think about releasing the button fast rather then pressing it fast, trying to quickly slide your finger across and off the jump button is another way to try doing it
@@Blaze8798 I agree, by sliding is easier to do it more consistently.
Blue Bluish Just remember that to perform a short hop you have to release the jump button quickly rather than pressing it quickly. Think of it like touching a hot stove. As soon as your finger presses on it, you jerk it back.
I find that resting the tip of your thumb on the very bottom of X and then kinda pulling down while pressing so the button really "clicks" is the best way.
out of all guides i watched to get better this is the best of all. earned a like and sub for it, thx dude
Thank you so very much! :)
Sometimes even when i jump out of my shield i get killed by a f smash or a fair
make those reads fam
Hitboxes
shield isn't the best option in this game in general, it's often better to throw a fast retreating aerial than to shield when you feel pressured, you jump out and attack or use a fast special when opponent whiffs on your shield to punish, or jump back out of shield to reposition when your op can't punish it/you read they're running in for grab
Carefully choosing my attacks is something I'm learning you shouldn't always be looking to be on offense which then leaves you vulnerable being over aggressive so finding the balance is where I'm currently tweaking my game
Hi Jtails, what do you think about the new 2.0 short hop mechanic. I guess it can be more consistent at all levels of play, but I'm not sure. Will you switch over to shoulder+x/y for short hop, which I guess will be 100% consistent ?
Super helpful. I'm not new to the franchise but I've been having a hell of a time controlling basic movement in the new game for some reason. The game is fun enough for me to be willing to do some drills to get better at it.
Awesome to hear! It's very rewarding to start feeling comfortable and fluid with your movement in this game :)
I really struggle to short hop in this game. I had no problem in smash 4. And it seems harder with certain characters like falco.
This is because a short hop requires you to let go of the jump button before the 'Jumpsquat' ends, which is the frames while your character is squatting before the jump. In Ultimate, all jumpsquats have been buffed to finish after 3 frames, meaning the window for a short hop has been made really tight.
Kyle Couture press the jump button and attack button at the same time . It’s an auto short hop attack with what ever direction you use
Lanier Pasha But you don't always want to attack with your short hop or sometimes it's better to delay your short hop aerial so you can hit shorter characters or hit just the first hit of a multihit move. It's necessary to learn short hopping by itself.
Finally a video where I can see which buttons the player is pressing. I have to say that I am new to the smash series and recently I only played vs friends local and the spirit adventure... and I didn’t you can roll XD
Good vid
Just asking, but was this guide made after years of research?
100% Yes!
Makes sense because this is a really helpful and useful guide!
Very helpful! this is actually the best movement guide so far. Hope you do more in the future with drills!
Will 100% be keeping it up, thank you for watching!
I was able to short hop really easily and consistently in smash 4 but i cant in ultimate could it be because i have a different controller
papa jho same. Pretty sure it’s only because if the reduced jumpsquat (everyone’s is 3 frames now). I suppose it’s just something we’ll have to get used to
Jump squats are shorter. As a result, the timing window is much shorter. Just keep practicing. Use slowmo in training if you need to
Alessandra Duffie do you think controllers affect this in any way? I only have joy-cons for now, and i’m not sure if the responsiveness is causing a more difficult short hop
sB33doez nugget absolutely. I find the only way I can reliably short hop on the joycons is by binding jump to the Right bumper and placing my finger on the far edge of it and sliding my finger off the edge.
@@sb33doeznugget32 if anything it seems joycons have cases where they're more responsive than gcc with adapter , inputs all around are different to smash 4, there's some carry over but everyone needs to learn how to move in the new engine, even the pros have been flubbing some things due to unhelpful muscle memory + changes to how & when inputs register
So I played 64, Meelee, and Brawl but never owned a copy of 4 because I got pretty devtoted to more standard fighting games, and now I'm trying to get back into Smash, so I'm glad I found this video to help me relearn all the fundamentals that I forgot.
Jtails do a video where we can get good gamecube controllers I seen some on Amazon for 300 bucks like wtf
Miguel Castro just buy one from Gamestop.
CardiBeatdown exactly what i was going to say
He cant be too serious. He must have been prioritizing a reply from Jtails instead of actually wanting an answer. I just got my PowerA Wired GC for 30 bucks
Don't worry buddy
I'll sell you one for $250
Just own a GC controller lol. what a casual
never thought that walking could be useful. i rarely see vods of people doing that in a match, maybe im just not looking hard enough? anyways, the controller cam was SUCH a good call. great video
No matter what I do, I can't seem to get the short hop consistantly. Not only that, but it seems kinda impossible for me to then input A and a direction, then press down after. If I try to use y for jump and have part of my thumb on A, then I end up hitting A so early after jump that I get the rising ariel. I'm not sure what to do. I feel as though my finger just can't excute the short hop like I'm just pressing another button. It tends to fail when I do short hops one after another. If someone could help it would be much appreciated.
I don't know if it's because I'm used to my finger being directly on the buttons, and then pressing it in. If a go for a short hop ariel, I end up pressing the button harder as my hands are trying to move quickly to get the inputs in on time. I'm so confused on what I should be trying to do.
@@azure_wraith use tilt stick for the aerials
ZoraOfTime sounds like you just gotta chill out. You have longer than you think to push your aerial on a shorthop. Practise just shorthopping without aerials and fast falling until you're more comfortable
Alright, I won't focus on ariels at first. However, is there any way of positioning my finger that will make it easier for short hops while still making it somewhat comfortable? Maybe my issue with that is because I have small hands. Thank you for helping me.
@@azure_wraith What controller do you play with?
quality content. I am new to this game, short hop is definitely my biggest challenge now as the buffer for it is really narrow. I do not like to press jump and A simultaneously for short hop attacks, been punished too much by my opponents for doing that as my go-to
Do you use the C-stick or the A button for aerials?
Zamilo91 I would recommend the A button. C stick has some weird problems with buffering aerials in this game that will definitely make you throw out the wrong move sometimes. If you use a button you don’t have to worry about that
Zamilo91 combination of both. If you only use one of them you are a bit limited to what you can do so its a good idea to do a mix of both. For example the rising aerials is really easy to do with jump+a but not jump+cstick.
I find using the c stick useful for fastfalling a short hop u air
c stick nairs are basically impossible to be consistent in this game, so using jump+a as well as the c-stick is the best option
so much better than zero's videos, me as a new player, find it hard to understand the jargon that he uses and i just dont think i can ever understand any of his videos but i love the way you cater to new players. thank you jtails!
It's been 2 weeks since i've watched this and i feel FANTASTIC!!
How's the movement been coming along?
I'm so glad you used a cam, all the other tutorials are not making any sense if I can't visualize it first
I'm a very confident casual (definitely not pro) player, and this particular tutorial made me realize a couple of weak points in my Smash game. Thanks for the tutorial, mate. Great advice for newcomers who DESPERATELY need to stop spamming F-tilt. 😂
Great content. Love the controller cam and your happy well spoken manner :) Amazing video and you earned yourself a new subscriber :) Merry Christmas
This is exactly what I was searching for! Thank You. I will practice religiously now.
Brilliant tutorial. I just recently got the game and have a lot of catching up to do, so I was lucky to stumble upon you channel. Best believe I'm Smashing that subscribe button!
If you have two buttons set to jump, then you can do a short hop by pressing both at the same time. Very easy and reliable
Man, I'm new to smash and all my friends beat, I didn't that there were this kind of moves in the game, thanks for the help