Great job explaining one of the greatest features of SD3. I only got the software for a week now and I'm absolutely amazed by all the in-depth possibilities SD3 covers. This is e-drummer's Heaven!
Very cool video Mike! Thanks for the update man!! The multiple zone mapping and leveling is really a cool, this would certainly allow for a more realistic sound and feel! That's awesome! Looks like this software has really settled in and is becoming a benchmark in the industry. Thanks for all you do Mike!
Quick question Mike, I have noticed that the resonate snare side is normally mixed in on the snare triggering. Do you also have control over the resonate snare side mixing? Or is this automatically pre-mixed with the snare sound that you pick? Thanks Mike!
Hey guys, thanks for stopping by. You have full control over the snare bottom mic as well: Level (volume) and even how much bleed you want to have coming through that mic (bass drum, toms or even the whole set). As the guys from Toontrack recorded every single mic, you can mix every track just you would on an acoustic drum set - because, well, it IS an acoustic drum set ;)
Hey you are welcome man! Wow, that's really awesome that you have all of that flexibility and control...fantastic man! Thanks for getting back to us Mike!!
I didn't realize how in-depth they went with e-drum feature support. This is incredible!! I finished the download over the weekend and I have it installed. I'm ITCHING to get into it today after work. Your videos and Luke's have been great so far. Hoping to add some playing demos of my own very soon.
I can't wait to see and hear you using those stunning sounds, Chris. And I'm really curious to see which snare you gonna pick. I can tell you, it's a hard decision every time. But finally, I think I've picked my core set to start with: The Yamaha Beech kick and toms and the almighty Black Beauty. ;)
Thank you for your explanation, you saved me time to set up my little workstation here. I just received my SSD from toontrack and off I go hooking it up with the td 25!
I’ve watched every video on positional sensing except this one. And all the other videos made me think I didn’t need ps but 8 minutes in to this video and I NEEEEEEED positional sensing.
The low velocity sounds are awesome in this sound so much more realistic then previous drum software packages and the Snare CC thing is really cool to add realness. Thanks for the video, this is definately software I will look at getting (I love the adpacks with SD2) to do everything from programming drums to adding to recorded drums to adding to electronic sounds.
Thanks Mike for this video, I did not have the time to try these things out by my self. I wasn't satisfied about the triggering result I got with SD3 until now. I knew that there was a lot of adjusting to do. I did already some adjustments on my VH12 Hihat, I saved it as a preset. But when I load this preset I have to adjust the Hihat again. For me the Hihat preset close more works fine! I do have to read and experiment a lot I think. I do certainly use this video to help me trough the issues I am struggling with. Thanks Mike very helpful again! 👍🍺🍺
Hi Rob, thanks for watching my video. As always and though I appreciate when people watch my videos, I highly recommend that you take some time to read the Manual, which is available within the software. Everything's explained very detailed by Toontrack. However, you know that you can always contact me if you have further questions or issues that need to be solved. As for the HiHats: This seems to be a common issue for people, it was already on Superior Drummer 2. I've once made a video about it, you may watch this again. Even Toontrack writes in their Manual that's it is very important to set up the whole chain correctly, starting from the correct pedal pressure, the settings within the module, the buffer size ... you name it. The software itself is just the last chain of the whole process.
Mike Luke Thank you Mike, sometimes reading a manual in English is not always so easy! It is not your own language, that would make it a lot easier for me. So your videos and help are very helpful. Thank you for your time and patience!👍👍👍
I just started using SD3 today and do I have a lot to learn. I've only downloaded the first 2 downloads. The 5th (the very last one - don't think I'm going to use downloads 3 & 4) is going to take another13 hours. I'll be going through your tutorial videos so thank you very much for taking the time to produce them. I have a question about the 3 zoned snare, does the Rimshot still sound, that would make 4 zones, but did not see you triggering that rim. I want to know that when configuring 3 zones as you did, is the Rimshot given up? Thanks.
wow ... thanks!! ... playing around in standalone was fantastic fun but I'm still working out how to use in Reaper ... reading manual this weekend so I can actually use in songs .. : ) ... THEN will come using e-drums with it so I'll be watching this over and over, ... and over ... thank you for the tutorial!
Hi David, sorry for the delay. The cheapest kit overall? Well, you should look for a drum module that supports a "positional sensing", the best price-value-ratio is probably an used Roland TD-12. Then you need a dual-zone pad ... either you buy one of Roland's pads or build your own.
thanks exactly what i wanted to know, approx the same setup here drumtec with td 20, i used it so far (sd2) with two instances running, one just roots cymbals coz of the articulations and the second one just drums - made it quicker as well to load different drums (drums only) as the cymbals are ram hungry. reason to buy it, danke luke!!
Awesome. Question: did you upgrade to TD-50 already for the extra snare articulations? or did you find a workaround to get the most out of the TD-30 snare?
Hi Mike, just a really quick question: there are snare zone settings in the "mapping" tab, but also in the dedicated "snare zones" tab. But these are not in sync. The ride pos sens tip was a good one. I got the eDRUMin10 and I just tried it with my 75$ LEMON cymbal. I was quite suprised. It's working. Presumably, not like a 600$ Roland digital ride but, yeahheee - I got 2 articulations on the bow now!!!
Mike, why not instead of going to the "Mapping" tab, you go to the Hi-Hat and Snare CC tab (maybe they are split now in the newer dot releases of SD3), click "Select the Snare Zone Control CC(s)" and set the zones like you do with the hi-hat. I do this currently for a TD-12 and also for MegaDrum with optional position sensing.
Mike - thanks for all of your hard work - figuring this stuff out and presenting it to the rest of the world (drum geeks!) in a simple and easy to understand format is not small task!!! Can you tell us how you connect your module to SD3 - is it an interface? If so, which one and why do you use it? What do you suggest? Thanks in advance. Best, Al
Hi Al, thanks for your kind words, I really appreciate it. Talking of interfaces - I use a Roland Quad-Capture interface and I am happy with it. However, there are several decent interfaces out there. Fortunately, nowadays you have access to a wide variety of great interfaces without busting the bank. ;)
Hi Mike Many thanks for your continuing video efforts with SD3, I found your Hi-Hat set up video really helpful and I'm happy to report that my TD50 works even a little smoother than my TD30 in the hi-hat department. However I'm having a few problems with the multi zone snares and ride. I see it's working perfectly for you on your most excellent video and I've watched it a few times to make sure I've not missed anything, but I can't make it work for me. (Actually you didn't show how you actually set it up as you had done that earlier). I'm able to set up at most 2 zones on the snare for example, edge and snare centre but the dynamics are wrong and it changes from edge to centre at random anywhere positionally. When I try to set up a third zone it just robs one of the other zones. If I try to sort that out SD3 quits "unexpectedly" Perhaps I'm not understanding how to set it up properly with the "learn" function and there's also a 2nd "learn" function for CC info. Should I be using both ? Toontrack suggested I check that TD50 has multi positioning facility turned on and it is. I also understand that the TD50 Digital snare and ride has more positional info than the analogue pads. I have suggested to Toontrack that that there maybe a problem, and also they might consider adding to their really excellent list of tutorial videos with an eDrum specific set up guide on multi zone and mapping to help, of which I'm sure many of us eDrummers are in need of. Thanks again for your great efforts and if you do a video before them please let me/us know. Kind regards Bob
Hi Bob, first of all: thanks for your kind words that I really appreciate. I think your digital snare is the "problem" and for me it's a really interesting insight as I thought about how the new digital pads from Roland will work with this feature. Well, of course this new digital triggering not a problem and I don't know exactly how Toontrack developed these multi-zone feature, but I'm convinced they had common trigger technology in mind. For most electronic drum pads, the piezo is in the centre and, depending on the quality, it recognizes where on the snare pad you hit, because the module calculates the amount of vibration happening - which is, of course, right in the middle more than on the side. With the new digital Roland snare, however, it's a different technology as this snare has multiple places to detect your hits. This will cause better trigger results, but it may not correspond correctly with the multi-zone technology Toontrack developed and which I showcased in this video. Anyway, I am in contact with the Toontrack guys here and then, I will try to discuss this issue and will do further research. Best, Mike
Hi Mike Thanks so much for your detailed reply, good thinking on your part, you are probably right about the digital pad situation. I'll contact Toontrack and ask if this is in fact what's happening, alongside your own enquiry. I have just tried using a PD128 pad to see if I can make that work zonally and I have failed to get that to work as well, at first I could get "edge" and "mid centre" but edge only triggered at the softest hit and only at the extreme edge of the pad (despite moving the zone adjuster slider to all possible settings) then as soon as I tried to add a third zone I could only get one articulation to trigger and I could not undo this no matter what. Just for your knowledge purposes I had a TD30KV and bought the TD50 upgrade pack (14" Snare,18" Ride and TD50 Module) and sold my TD30 module and snare pad. So all my pads apart from new snare and ride are TD30. I'm now starting to regret doing this upgrade as I'm having so many problems. I personally would not recommend the TD50 to anybody for a number of reasons apart from these particular problems as overall it is not as attractive as TD30 regarding sounds and sensitivity. Hope this is useful and helpful to you. I also should mention that after consulting with you and doing some research I actually purchased a WD 512 GB SSD External drive for £170 and have installed SD3 and my other Libraries on it and it's all working fine. f there are any more details that I could help you with regarding any of this stuff then please don't hesitate to ask as it would be a pleasure to assist. Best regards Bob
Just discovered you Mike, what a great resource you are an an excellent teacher. Wondering if you have had any experience with SD3 using ATV drums and cymbals? Cheers
Very nice and helpful video. A video about dialing in the right settings for the Hihat would be nice. I'm having a lot of trouble with that... The presets don't work right for me. (VH-12 & TD-30).
guesswho5150 Sure. Keep in mind that half of the way to a smooth HiHat triggering is done outside the software. The correct settings within your module, for example - or even the correct pressure on the HiHat stand. If your module does not send correct HiHat notes to the software, SD will never be able to trigger smoothly.
Mike, thanks again for another excellent video. I was on the fence for SD3, but after watching this I'm ready to open the wallet! Does it have a setting for the TD-50? Also, I would love to see some videos on how to dial in the velocity curve settings for the snare and hi hat, and maybe get some more insights from your experience. Thanks again brother, this is why I am a subscriber to your channel! Kind regards
Jeff Murray Thanks for your kind words, Jeff. Appreciate it a lot. I will cover more in-depth tutorials for sure as this software has so much to explore. ;)
Thanks for this video. I'm new to edrums and have no idea where the audio comes from. Do you connect your headphones to your module and the sounds from SD3 come through your computer to your module?
Carlos Turcios Olivera Hi Carlos, I once made a video about EZMix2. Check out my videos and playlists, you will find some videos where I talk about mixing with EZMix2.
Hi Mike, love your channel. Could you please help me? I have just loaded SD3 along with my TD50 however, I can't get a sound from my kick drum and the overall sound through my headphone is low. Can you please assist me?
Hi David, sorry for the late response. It's hard to tell from a distance what went wrong. Do you hear your kick drum when you just play the sounds from the module? And where do you plug-in your headphones?
Hola Mike...te quiero preguntar algo... Uso una Roland td50 con superior drummer 3... Pero cuando tocó pierdo estabilidad en mi PC.. Conecto vía USB al ordenador... Veo que tú envías MIDI a una interfase Roland diferente ... Estoy haciendo mal ,??
My Spanish isn't that great, but I try to answer. I don't know what you mean with "losing your stability". There can be hundreds of reasons for that. Hard to diagnose from a distance.
Hey Mike!!! You have great channel!!! Please help me with one problem. How to separate Rimshot and Sidestick or cross stick? we have roland TD 50 with SD 3. the 3 snare zones are working. we selected Roland TD 50 in the e drum inside SD3 but side stick not work when we play on the pad. the pad is the new digital snarePD140DS. I would like to hear the sound of the cross stick or side stick when I rest my hand on the drum head and play cross stick. But It works inside Roland.
I am not sure about the digital snare, to be honest. What you can do: Select the particular articulation in SD3 and allocate this to your snare using the "Learn"-function. When you have both articulations in your module, it's likely to be separate MIDI data that can be translated inside Superior Drummer 3.
I still have the idea that when I chose another preset I have to adjust always the snare to cc multiple zones. Because when I don't do that the pad where you can adjust the 3 zones is always empty. I would be nice if it was possible to adjust your own E-kit perfectly save it as a main preset. After that when you wanted to load a SD3 preset it would be loading within your main E-kit preset without changing that settings. Because you can't see what is happening with your E-kit settings and the settings of your snare are gone I always have to redo the snare settings. The hi hat settings don't chance. You can see that! Maybe I'm wrong and maybe you know that Mike. 🍺👍😎
Hi Rob, I don’t know for sure, but I think this is normal, because when choosing another preset, you‘ll have another snare, therefore different sounds. So you have to re-adjust the multiple zones again. But I have no access to my computer and SD3 currently, so I can’t check. I‘ll keep you updated once I‘m at my computer again.
Hi Mike, thanks for this great video! Very nicely done. I was wondering if you might do one dealing with the Hi Hat. I never got a natural, or even close to a natural response from the Hi Hat either with my former TD10 or now current TD50 with SD2. Maybe this struggle has been addressed in SD3. I will upgrade to SD3 shortly but just want to get ahead of the game a little in case there is a similar issue. I tried all the tweaks that were supposed to help with this, (selected Roland preset, adjusted pedal correction settings, edited the velocity curve, even edited individual articulations). If you could do a similar video to this one I just watched but for HH that would be great. It would be great to see what settings you have all around in SD3 to get a natural response. Thanks in advance!
Hi, thanks for watching. A video about this topic will come very soon as there are A LOT of people addressed that issue. I will try to show what I did and hope this will help out. Stay tuned!
Roland CY-18DR positional is not working completely. Yes, if you hit bow or bell different notes are triggered. But positional sensoring with the bow does not work. Any thoughts anyone?
Yes, of course. Depends on the preset then whether all pieces will be played. When your loop contains four toms, but the preset in SD3 just has two toms, it will replace them accordingly. Same goes for cymbals.
I use roland 27kvs and it is not an available option to choose when im in the midi in/edrums settings. Also couldnt find different snare zones only center was an option. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Hi! Thanks for your usefull video! I have a question please: I use two Roland midi modules with 19 parts (pads and cymbals). Some of them have rings I can set to another sound (so it gives 31 different items). Can it be handled by Superior Drummer? Thanks again!
Hallo Mike, vielen Dank für dieses Video, das ist genau dass, wonach ich gesucht habe. Ich habe im SD3 die Einstellungen wie von Dir vorgegeben für das Zone Triggering eingestellt. In meinem TD50 Modul sehe ich auch die verschiedenen Anschläge meiner Snare in den Zonen. Komischerwiese wird aber im SD3 nur das CENTER getriggert. Könntest Du mir da evtl. weiter hilfen ? Gruß Karsten
@@MikeLuke Hi Mike, danke für die schnelle Antwort. Es funktioniert nun. Jetzt guck ich mal , ob du auch ein Tutorial für die HiHat hast. Dann bin ich glaube ich wunschlus glücklich :D
Hello Mike,I just discovered your channel and what work. Good teacher, good phrasing, clear explanations, nothing but happiness.I have a question I would like you to answer if possible:I have a TD 20X module and superior drummer 3. Regarding the remapping, is it possible on a pad (let's say on the Tom alto) to have a tom sound on the center and a ride cymbal tone on the rim, and to be able to save it to find it the next time the preset is opened.If so, how.Thank youcordially(I am in France and the translation is from google)
Hello. Yes, this is possible. You need to save the preset, of course. Sometimes it is even better to save the whole session as a project. Keep in mind though that you need to do these changes for every other library you use.
@@MikeLuke Hello, thank you for this quick answer, would it be possible to go a little further into the subject. I can do it on this thread or on your email? I'm 76 years old, and for me computing is a little more complicated than for young people, but I'll hang on. cordially
Hello Mike, I hope you are doing well. Im right now trying to use my Roland SPD 30 to trigger Superior Drummer 3 inside Digital Performer with my Roland SPD 30 and I am getting no where. I can trigger SUP 3 with my midi keyboard but I can't with my Roland. Is there a way to map in SUP 3 with my SPD 30? Thanks
Greetings Mike, excellent video, I have a doubt about the dynamics and sound, I use top drummer, addictive drums connected to an audio sound card, when I use them with my yamaha keyboard, the dynamics are very good, also when I use the mouse and I click, the sounds are perfect! but with the Triggers of my battery they respond in another way, the dynamics change and the sound is not the same, is it possible to get the same answer with Triggers as with a keyboard or a mouse? Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Hi da drausen, kann man nicht mal ein paar tutorials auf Deutsch machen über das ganze Thema Roland TD 20 50 usw triggern mit Superiol für leute die fast kein Englisch können und fast keine ahnung haben wie man das zeug richtig anschließt und einstellt ?? Wäre richtg suoer und viele währen sehr dankbar dafür !!! Lg. Steven
Hi Steven, danke für Deinen Kommentar. Ich habe schon öfter darüber nachgedacht, das auch auf Deutsch zu machen. Ist halt doppelte Arbeit. Du musst wissen, dass 80% aller Zuschauer oder Aufrufe meiner Videos aus den USA oder England kommen. Das Thema, das Dich interessiert, kann ich eh nicht mehr machen, da ich mein E-Drumset verkauft habe. Ich gebe Dir aber recht, dass es zu wenig solcher Inhalte auf Deutsch gibt.
Hi Mike, I’ve just got a VH 14 HiHat and have set the 3 zone settings in midi mapping set up , tip, edge & bell but I don’t seem to have the articulations to support it triggering 3 zones. I’ve just downloaded SD3 so presume I have the latest version but I’m stumped on this problem of not having enough articulations and can’t find any support regarding. Was hoping with your wealth of knowledge that you might know whether it’s something I need to aquire separately. Thanks in advance, love your work ❤
Hi John, thanks for reaching out. Well, this video you are commenting on is five years old. When I made this one, there was no VH14 on the market. Not all libraries from Toontrack support all articulations. Back then it was the opposite: some libraries have had articulations which the hardware (Roland, Alesis, Yamaha) couldn‘t reproduce or support due to lack of trigger zones. It‘s always hard to tell from a distance, so please treat this as a rough call: hit all zones on your hats (tip, edge and bell) and see if SD3 indicates them properly in the software. If yes, you can assign articulations to those zones in case the software does not support them by just loading the respective preset (in this case: Roland). It‘s a feature called „MIDI learn“, which also allows you to, for example, have a cowbell sound coming from the rim of a floor tom. When you download SD3, make sure you have the latest version of Toontrack‘s „Product Manager“ installed, too. Launch it and see if your version of SD3 is the latest. Then pick your respective module (I assume it‘s the TD50 or the TD27, right? As they support the digital pads like the VH14).
I think thats due to the fact that not all of the kits support Positional sensing in EZ2. Ive tested EZ2 and could only find one or two kits in the SDX packs that support positional sensing that worked for Roland. Where any Superior Drummer kit supports the positional sensing that makes the Roland TD-30 a cut above.
Hi Mike! I'm a bit ignorant to positional sensing... does the TD-9 support it? Rogue from the Toontrack forum said the 8, 9 AND 10 all support it. But I see conflicting information everywhere. Would I need a specific Roland PD-120/125 etc pad to implement it? I just read the TD-9 does support it. But I'm using a DIY snare with a Roland dual-trigger... thanks for any help, my friend!
Hey Chris! No, the TD-9 does not support positional sensing. I know because I used to have one on my own. 😉 To be able to use that feature you’d just need a stereo pad / dual trigger, which means a pad with two piezos, one for the center and one for the rim/edge. Check out the Wikipedia page for Roland V-Drums, you‘ll find a comprehensive overview of ALL Roland modules including all features: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_V-Drums
@@MikeLuke Thank you, sir. So, only the TD-8, TD-10, TD-12, TD-20, and TD-30 (as far as older modules go). And the sucky thing about all of them is the screens go bad, right? Newer-- TD-25, TD-27, TD-50. Do any of those modules support the HH offset (like the TD-12), for tight articulations? What specific module do you use, again? Which would you recommend, all things considered? I have Superior 3.0 (upgraded from 2.0, in late 2018). I LOVE the stock kits, and Indiependent which I also own. As far as older kits to, I have The Blues, The Classic, Jazz, and Indie Folk, and of course, Avatar, from 2.0. I don't need anything else... they cover a LOT of ground for me. But yeah, I guess I'm just looking for the best type of module, especially with positional sensing. Thank you sir! :)
Well, in the end it’s a matter of budget, of course. I often recommend a TD20 in mind condition (or even the TD20X, which is even better). It has enough inputs (up to 15), so you can easily expand your kit with more pads if needed. It offers positional sensing and responses very well. Some older ones sometimes have issues with the LCD screen, but not the newer ones. But again, it’s a matter of budget, the size of your kit and your needs.
@@MikeLuke Thanks, Mike. I saw videos of people fixing their LCD screens with Contact Cleaner and spraying the ribbon contacts and ribbon ends themselves. Good to know, considering... any thoughts on the BT-1 for cross-stick stuff, attached to a snare drum?
chriscauldermusic Yes, the LCD screen is the weak point of some of the older TD20. I owned a TD20X, which - to my knowledge- didn’t have this issue anymore. And as I only and exclusively used all my modules just as a trigger module for SD3, I never cared anyway. The only button I ever needed on a module was the power switch ;) Yes, the BT-1 is one my favorite pieces of gear from Roland. Super sturdy and handy, works really great. It’s a bit overpriced as almost everything from Roland, but it’s great. Used it for percussion sounds like cowbell or tambourine.
Hi Mike. Thanks for all of your SD3 videos. I’ve learned a lot! I have a question. I’m using a TD30 with SD3. I want to use a foot switch with my TD30 to switch the snare strainer off and on. Will this still work using SD3? If so, how do you set it up within SD3? Keep up the excellent work!! Rande
Hi Mike, thanks a lot for another great Video and explanation of SD3. I love the toontrack stuff also since years but I have noticed one little Issue. Playing the sounds with edrums (I use a Jobeky with a TD50 Brain are not that loud and powerful than by clicking the Drums in the software GUI. I tried out a lot with vlocity curves but I am not really satisfied (same with SD2). can you give us a hint for that?
Hi Markus, yeah, I know that issue, some people talked about that. Do you use the same headphones and interfaces when playing? And do you use the TD-50 as an interface? I use an external interface (Roland Quad-Capture) and even a headphone amp, the loudness is more than enough for me. It’s a long chain that may influence the loudness. your DAW, the interface, the module ...
Thank you Mike! I use the TD 50 as Interface at the moment because the latency is fine and I need only the USB Cable to and from the brain to my mac;-). But I had this Issue with my former setup also and I used my very fast Zoom TAC2 Thunderbolt Interface then. I will double check the whole chain again:-).
Mike, with regards to positional sensing, is the Roland digital snare worth paying for (along with the TD50 or TD27 module) or can you also achieve a good positional sensing outcome from a normal centre mounted pad with the older modules?
I’ve always achieved good positional sensing with my own converted snare and the fabulous trigger system from R-Drums (made in Germany). However, a digital snare will always be better or even more accurate which is simply a question of the superior technology with a digital sensor. Of course you need to be a very good and accurate playing drummer to feel and to use the difference.
Mike Luke thank you. On the weekend I visited a friend who owns a TD50 to try out the generations pack but also try the positional sensing using the module and also using SD3. I was shocked once again to find that the variation in sound from centre to rim is much more pronounced in SD3 than using TD50 module snare sounds. On a similar topic I have a TD17 which does not have positional sensing but even the TD17 seems to produce many more articulations and sound variation in SD3 than in the module (possibly due to being able to select humanisation options in SD3 which I have done). Perhaps you can comment on this phenomenon and maybe it’s worth a video?
Hi Mike! Can you get a decent amount of positional sensing / articulations (through SD3) with an older TD-9 (using CY-15R, CY-13R, etc)... or would I need at least a TD-17? Thanks so much for your help!
Hey Chris, no, the TD-9 does not support positional sensing unfortunately. Check the official Wikipedia page for Roland V-Drums, you’ll find a comprehensive overview of all modules with their features listed so you can compare.
Mike, thank you so much for your time in responding with me. I kind of figured that it might not be possible. Like you I can't see how it would possibly work either. Another question has arose now. I have my td30 setup where I can get rim shots as well as sidestick. Do you know how to make this work using SD3?
I think in a similar same way I showed in my video. You can assign those articulations to a given MIDI note. Just make sure that the module sends different MIDI notes for rimshot and sidestick.
very nice video Mike thank you for showing I'm really impressed...can you make a video about your hi Hat settings I have problem to get my to work properly the opening and closing buy me sounds weird in some way when is half open it sounds like it's all the way open and I can find out what to do any advice ?
Hi Mike, awesome video as always! At around 5:30 you show the positional sensing happening on your TD-30. I also have an r-drum triggered snare and a TD-30 brain but the positional sensing doesn't work well. When I go to the very edge, at best the bar is reading in-between center and edge. It never goes to the edge. Any tips on getting the positional sensor to work better? Could the blue cone on the trigger itself be positioned to high?
Reid Campbell Hi Reid, yes, it’s essentiell to have the trigger cone in the right spot. R-Drums recommends that the tip of the cone should overlay the edge of the shell by 1.5mm max. There’s a Installation tutorial video by R-Drums here on your about the RTS Trigger system, you may check this out.
Hi Mike, my english is not at your level, can you say me if "the ride tip and shank" are well like the center and edge zone for the snare drum ? I have never hear the word shank and don't find answer. I was thinking at first it was about stick tip and shoulder, but it has no sense as you talk about cymbal zone here
Hi Mike, Really appreciate your input on following.. If I go a head with Roland TD-10 will send the same positional sensing midi data as it does with your module which is Roland TD-20x?
Yes. On the main window, select the snare, go to the top right corner of the screen, select the articulation you want to change, then increase the volume of that particular articulation
@@MikeLuke thanks, big help, now one more question, do you know if there is a way for mutting any note when I play a different one, for example let s say I m playing a tom and is still ringing, is there a way for me to mute it a soon as I play a snare for example?
is it also possible to play muted sounds on the cymbals. so i mean if i grep the cymbal and then play on the cymbal. is the sound different ? ..... as always.... great video !!
Manfred Nauer Hi Manfred, no, that's not possible (yet). Because all sounds are caused by vibration, whether on the cymbals or shells. If you grab a cymbal, no vibration will occur to trigger a sound.
But there is a Modul, i think its a yamaha. You grep the cymbal like you would if you want to choke the cymbal and then you get a different Sound when you play on top of the cymbal. I think its called mutet sound.
Cam Par As a drummer myself I would say no. Even on acoustic drums you just hit the drum centered or occasionally a rimshot. So the missing positional sensing was never an issue for me.
Hey Mike, fantastic video! This program is insanely impressive. I have a question/problem though. For my electronic drum kit which is a Roland TD-11K-S V-Drum Kit, when I clutch the high hat, it triggers many many notes and is pretty much unusable. Like if I slowly press the hi hat foot pedal down, it will trigger multiple notes and sounds robotic and not right. I can't figure out how to assign the clutch mechanism to just one sound. Can you/anyone give me a pointer? Thanks
Hi Richard, thanks for watching. I've made a separate video about the HiHat in Superior Drummer 3 recently. Did you see it? It may help you with your problem.
I like to put completely different cymbals on the edges of my cymbal pads than on the centre - can you show how to do this in Superior Drummer 3 (since you're also a Roland user)? In Superior Drummer 2.0, it worked via the MIDI learn function; now however, this changes the entire cymbal pad to the same note, rather than to e.g. Crash in the centre, China at the edge. 😕 I got it to work by accident on the ride, but I haven't figured out how to map these MIDI notes reliably yet.
Right click on the cymbal you want to change ... go to "more" ... then "Stack" ... "Add to" ... chose the articulation you want to change ...pick the cymbal you like to have on that articulation, click on "Stack on Crash", done.
Mike Luke Thanks, I did it a little differently in the meantime, via the MIDI / E-drum settings - selecting the different types of instruments (in this case "cymbals --> all", and then just assigned all the crashes, splashes and chinas manually to different MIDI notes, making sure there was no overlap. Then I merely had to change the MIDI notes inside the Roland drum module on my User Kit to match these numbers. However, stacking seems to offer a lot of versatility for layering drums, so I am certainly going to use that soon! 😉
Hi, is this Positional Sensing on SD3 possible with a side mounted dual zone trigger like Helensson ITM2? or you have to use center mounted triggers? Thanks a lot
@@MikeLuke Thank you very much! I am actually looking for more info, because there seems to be a way to do it with a side mounted. This guy has tested it and it seems like it works. I'll put the link to the forum in the next comment in case you see it, and I hope it doesn't get blocked by RUclips.
Gustavo Giardelli Drummer Well, I don’t think it’s a side mounted trigger. It’s important where the actual piezo is placed, not where the trigger itself is mounted (technical-wise).
CC stands for „continuous controller“, which means that in a single MIDI note several information are transported, such as velocity, or, in the case of the hihat, the level of opening. The number 16 is just for general purpose, often assigned with the snare. CC04, for example, is the foot controller which determines or controls the hihat.
hi, thx for sharing. I have a question although its not related to snare and rides. Its the hihat. I used the 'Roland" drum preset and the 'More close" hihat preset. However, when im playing a closed hihat in the edrum, it triggers the open hihat sound... Can you help me plz?
I cant get SD3 to recognize the Positional Sensing on my TD25... did the Mapping like you... and also i installed the latest driver and stuff.. any ideas? thx
Hi York, did you check if Positional Sensing works within your module? SD3 can only use the information that's coming out of the module. So you may check the settings within the TD25 first. And of course you need a dual-zone pad (but I assume you have one when playing the TD-25).
Well, then I have no idea, to be honest. I'd suggest to seek where the issue is based. In the main window of superior drummer there's this little box an the top where all the articulations per instrument are listed. Click on the snare, open the articulation box and then play your snare at different zones ... actually the different articulations ("center", "mid center", "edge" ..) should be highlighted then. If just the "center" articulation is triggered, you may then check the MIDI/E-Drum settings like I showed in my video.
Hey Ralf, well, a SSD is always a better choice. However, you don't need it. The speed of the external drive just determines how fast the samples are loaded into RAM. Once they are loaded into your RAM, all samples are available in real time. But the external hard disk does not influence how smooth the software works. So you probably need more RAM (8GB at minimum, I have 16GB). I have Superior Drummer 3 on an external HDD, connected via Thunderbolt to my iMac, which is fast enough for me. As I own a lot of expansion packs, too, I would have needed a 1TB SSD, which is too expensive for me.
Perfect, 16GB of Ram is enough as long as you don't use ALL internal room mics. But for a gig you usually you just need the direct mics, Overheads and maybe the room. ;) Have fun!
thats what I refer! ruclips.net/video/SORxb6bOQJs/видео.html the answer and the sound does not change, it's perfect, but using Triggers is not the same!
Great job explaining one of the greatest features of SD3.
I only got the software for a week now and I'm absolutely amazed by all the in-depth possibilities SD3 covers. This is e-drummer's Heaven!
Yes, and a lot of people still don’t know. It’s the most realistic VST out there by far.
I couldn't agree more...@@MikeLuke
Very cool video Mike! Thanks for the update man!! The multiple zone mapping and leveling is really a cool, this would certainly allow for a more realistic sound and feel! That's awesome! Looks like this software has really settled in and is becoming a benchmark in the industry. Thanks for all you do Mike!
Quick question Mike, I have noticed that the resonate snare side is normally mixed in on the snare triggering. Do you also have control over the resonate snare side mixing? Or is this automatically pre-mixed with the snare sound that you pick? Thanks Mike!
Hey guys, thanks for stopping by. You have full control over the snare bottom mic as well: Level (volume) and even how much bleed you want to have coming through that mic (bass drum, toms or even the whole set). As the guys from Toontrack recorded every single mic, you can mix every track just you would on an acoustic drum set - because, well, it IS an acoustic drum set ;)
Hey you are welcome man! Wow, that's really awesome that you have all of that flexibility and control...fantastic man! Thanks for getting back to us Mike!!
Nice. I literally just got SP3 last night and haven't had a chance to sit down on my Roland TD17 yet but I'm stoked!!! Thanks Mike!!
Lmk if the td 17s lack of positional sensing is bothering you or not. Thanks 🙏
I didn't realize how in-depth they went with e-drum feature support. This is incredible!! I finished the download over the weekend and I have it installed. I'm ITCHING to get into it today after work. Your videos and Luke's have been great so far. Hoping to add some playing demos of my own very soon.
I can't wait to see and hear you using those stunning sounds, Chris. And I'm really curious to see which snare you gonna pick. I can tell you, it's a hard decision every time. But finally, I think I've picked my core set to start with: The Yamaha Beech kick and toms and the almighty Black Beauty. ;)
Amazing! I'm going to start learning SD and I'm so excited playing and recording whit it! Thanks for show us its capacitys!
Thanx for this upload; the snare stuff was exactly what I was looking for!
Thank you for your explanation, you saved me time to set up my little workstation here. I just received my SSD from toontrack and off I go hooking it up with the td 25!
Still very informative and usable after six years and certainly with now a digital hihat (VH14D) available.
I’ve watched every video on positional sensing except this one. And all the other videos made me think I didn’t need ps but 8 minutes in to this video and I NEEEEEEED positional sensing.
The low velocity sounds are awesome in this sound so much more realistic then previous drum software packages and the Snare CC thing is really cool to add realness. Thanks for the video, this is definately software I will look at getting (I love the adpacks with SD2) to do everything from programming drums to adding to recorded drums to adding to electronic sounds.
Thanks for watching. Yeah, it is really awesome. And I haven't even discovered all features yet.
Thanks Mike for this video, I did not have the time to try these things out by my self. I wasn't satisfied about the triggering result I got with SD3 until now. I knew that there was a lot of adjusting to do. I did already some adjustments on my VH12 Hihat, I saved it as a preset. But when I load this preset I have to adjust the Hihat again. For me the Hihat preset close more works fine! I do have to read and experiment a lot I think. I do certainly use this video to help me trough the issues I am struggling with. Thanks Mike very helpful again! 👍🍺🍺
Hi Rob, thanks for watching my video. As always and though I appreciate when people watch my videos, I highly recommend that you take some time to read the Manual, which is available within the software. Everything's explained very detailed by Toontrack. However, you know that you can always contact me if you have further questions or issues that need to be solved.
As for the HiHats: This seems to be a common issue for people, it was already on Superior Drummer 2. I've once made a video about it, you may watch this again. Even Toontrack writes in their Manual that's it is very important to set up the whole chain correctly, starting from the correct pedal pressure, the settings within the module, the buffer size ... you name it. The software itself is just the last chain of the whole process.
Mike Luke Thank you Mike, sometimes reading a manual in English is not always so easy! It is not your own language, that would make it a lot easier for me. So your videos and help are very helpful. Thank you for your time and patience!👍👍👍
im sold. thank u so much for this video
Thanks for stopping by and watching. Appreciate it.
great stuff, very interesting and well explained, good pace, not going too fast like some other machine gun like edits. Well done!
Thanks a lot for taking notice.
Thanks again! I am just starting to use SD3 and this video has been very useful.
Very good tutorial, Mike. Lots of useful features.
Thanks Sal. It's a huge step forward in comparison to SD2.
I just started using SD3 today and do I have a lot to learn. I've only downloaded the first 2 downloads. The 5th (the very last one - don't think I'm going to use downloads 3 & 4) is going to take another13 hours.
I'll be going through your tutorial videos so thank you very much for taking the time to produce them.
I have a question about the 3 zoned snare, does the Rimshot still sound, that would make 4 zones, but did not see you triggering that rim. I want to know that when configuring 3 zones as you did, is the Rimshot given up?
Thanks.
finally got the snare right. thanx a lot. i hope this will work with the hihat too.
Check out my channel, I have made a dedicated video just for setting up the HiHats correctly.
wow ... thanks!! ... playing around in standalone was fantastic fun but I'm still working out how to use in Reaper ... reading manual this weekend so I can actually use in songs .. : ) ... THEN will come using e-drums with it so I'll be watching this over and over, ... and over ... thank you for the tutorial!
You are welcome, Joe. Never hesitate to contact me at any time if you have questions on it.
I may just ... : ) .. but will wait until I have very specific, intelligent question so as not to waste your time ... very kind of you, thanks!
As someone who would be using SD3 only with e-drums this was a great video!
Hi Anton, thanks for watching. Glad I could help.
Amazing video. Very helpful and made me realize i need to pick up a higher quality roland for the snare articulation variety.
Hi David, thanks for watching. Yeah, but especially on the snare it’s really worth to spend some bucks.
Mike Luke whats the cheapest kit i can get that can uses the snare articulation?
Hi David, sorry for the delay. The cheapest kit overall? Well, you should look for a drum module that supports a "positional sensing", the best price-value-ratio is probably an used Roland TD-12. Then you need a dual-zone pad ... either you buy one of Roland's pads or build your own.
These are very helpful videos. Thank you.
Cheers! And thanks for watching
Heyup Mike nice man, thanks for explaining the zone thing very helpful cheers man.What awesome software,happy customer :)
So am I, Steve ;)
thanks exactly what i wanted to know, approx the same setup here drumtec with td 20, i used it so far (sd2) with two instances running, one just roots cymbals coz of the articulations and the second one just drums - made it quicker as well to load different drums (drums only) as the cymbals are ram hungry.
reason to buy it, danke luke!!
You are very welcome.
Nice new hat Mike.
Nicely explained. Thanks for the effort.
You are welcome!
bondsongmusic 8
Very nicely explained
Gary Bardrick Thanks, Gary!
Awesome. Question: did you upgrade to TD-50 already for the extra snare articulations? or did you find a workaround to get the most out of the TD-30 snare?
Really thank you!
Hi Mike, just a really quick question: there are snare zone settings in the "mapping" tab, but also in the dedicated "snare zones" tab. But these are not in sync.
The ride pos sens tip was a good one. I got the eDRUMin10 and I just tried it with my 75$ LEMON cymbal. I was quite suprised. It's working. Presumably, not like a 600$ Roland digital ride but, yeahheee - I got 2 articulations on the bow now!!!
Mike, why not instead of going to the "Mapping" tab, you go to the Hi-Hat and Snare CC tab (maybe they are split now in the newer dot releases of SD3), click "Select the Snare Zone Control CC(s)" and set the zones like you do with the hi-hat. I do this currently for a TD-12 and also for MegaDrum with optional position sensing.
Mike - thanks for all of your hard work - figuring this stuff out and presenting it to the rest of the world (drum geeks!) in a simple and easy to understand format is not small task!!! Can you tell us how you connect your module to SD3 - is it an interface? If so, which one and why do you use it? What do you suggest? Thanks in advance. Best, Al
Hi Al, thanks for your kind words, I really appreciate it. Talking of interfaces - I use a Roland Quad-Capture interface and I am happy with it. However, there are several decent interfaces out there. Fortunately, nowadays you have access to a wide variety of great interfaces without busting the bank. ;)
The TD-8 does positional sensing on the snare.
Hi Mike
Many thanks for your continuing video efforts with SD3, I found your Hi-Hat set up video really helpful and I'm happy to report that my TD50 works even a little smoother than my TD30 in the hi-hat department.
However I'm having a few problems with the multi zone snares and ride. I see it's working perfectly for you on your most excellent video and I've watched it a few times to make sure I've not missed anything, but I can't make it work for me. (Actually you didn't show how you actually set it up as you had done that earlier). I'm able to set up at most 2 zones on the snare for example, edge and snare centre but the dynamics are wrong and it changes from edge to centre at random anywhere positionally. When I try to set up a third zone it just robs one of the other zones. If I try to sort that out SD3 quits "unexpectedly" Perhaps I'm not understanding how to set it up properly with the "learn" function and there's also a 2nd "learn" function for CC info. Should I be using both ? Toontrack suggested I check that TD50 has multi positioning facility turned on and it is. I also understand that the TD50 Digital snare and ride has more positional info than the analogue pads. I have suggested to Toontrack that that there maybe a problem, and also they might consider adding to their really excellent list of tutorial videos with an eDrum specific set up guide on multi zone and mapping to help, of which I'm sure many of us eDrummers are in need of.
Thanks again for your great efforts and if you do a video before them please let me/us know.
Kind regards
Bob
Hi Bob, first of all: thanks for your kind words that I really appreciate.
I think your digital snare is the "problem" and for me it's a really interesting insight as I thought about how the new digital pads from Roland will work with this feature.
Well, of course this new digital triggering not a problem and I don't know exactly how Toontrack developed these multi-zone feature, but I'm convinced they had common trigger technology in mind. For most electronic drum pads, the piezo is in the centre and, depending on the quality, it recognizes where on the snare pad you hit, because the module calculates the amount of vibration happening - which is, of course, right in the middle more than on the side. With the new digital Roland snare, however, it's a different technology as this snare has multiple places to detect your hits. This will cause better trigger results, but it may not correspond correctly with the multi-zone technology Toontrack developed and which I showcased in this video.
Anyway, I am in contact with the Toontrack guys here and then, I will try to discuss this issue and will do further research.
Best,
Mike
Hi Mike
Thanks so much for your detailed reply, good thinking on your part, you are probably right about the digital pad situation. I'll contact Toontrack and ask if this is in fact what's happening, alongside your own enquiry.
I have just tried using a PD128 pad to see if I can make that work zonally and I have failed to get that to work as well, at first I could get "edge" and "mid centre" but edge only triggered at the softest hit and only at the extreme edge of the pad (despite moving the zone adjuster slider to all possible settings) then as soon as I tried to add a third zone I could only get one articulation to trigger and I could not undo this no matter what.
Just for your knowledge purposes I had a TD30KV and bought the TD50 upgrade pack (14" Snare,18" Ride and TD50 Module) and sold my TD30 module and snare pad. So all my pads apart from new snare and ride are TD30. I'm now starting to regret doing this upgrade as I'm having so many problems. I personally would not recommend the TD50 to anybody for a number of reasons apart from these particular problems as overall it is not as attractive as TD30 regarding sounds and sensitivity. Hope this is useful and helpful to you.
I also should mention that after consulting with you and doing some research I actually purchased a
WD 512 GB SSD External drive for £170 and have installed SD3 and my other Libraries on it and it's all working fine.
f there are any more details that I could help you with regarding any of this stuff then please don't hesitate to ask as it would be a pleasure to assist.
Best regards
Bob
Amazing video thank u
I got my crossgrade a week ago awesome 😎
Just discovered you Mike, what a great resource you are an an excellent teacher. Wondering if you have had any experience with SD3 using ATV drums and cymbals? Cheers
Hi! No, not yet unfortunately. But I am really interested in testing them.
Very nice and helpful video. A video about dialing in the right settings for the Hihat would be nice. I'm having a lot of trouble with that... The presets don't work right for me. (VH-12 & TD-30).
guesswho5150 Sure. Keep in mind that half of the way to a smooth HiHat triggering is done outside the software. The correct settings within your module, for example - or even the correct pressure on the HiHat stand. If your module does not send correct HiHat notes to the software, SD will never be able to trigger smoothly.
Thank you x
Mike, thanks again for another excellent video. I was on the fence for SD3, but after watching this I'm ready to open the wallet! Does it have a setting for the TD-50? Also, I would love to see some videos on how to dial in the velocity curve settings for the snare and hi hat, and maybe get some more insights from your experience. Thanks again brother, this is why I am a subscriber to your channel! Kind regards
Jeff Murray Thanks for your kind words, Jeff. Appreciate it a lot. I will cover more in-depth tutorials for sure as this software has so much to explore. ;)
I see a crescendo button not engaged. Wouldn’t that work in a swell. ..?
No, the „Crescendo“ articulation is made for the ones who want to program drums. When you play on your own, you don’t need it.
Bei meiner Roland snare werden nur Sidestick Center und rimshot angezeigt. Woran kann das liegen ?
Soooooo I take it you can only use this with snares that have more sensors than dual zone snares, yes?
You need at least two zones, which 99% of all modern snares have.
It would be really nice if you could do a video on how to fine tune the Snare Zones on Td50 and Superior Drummer 3. Thanks!
I cannot do this as I don’t own a TD50.
@@MikeLuke Of course! Apologies! I meant TD30 :)
Thanks for this video. I'm new to edrums and have no idea where the audio comes from. Do you connect your headphones to your module and the sounds from SD3 come through your computer to your module?
The sounds from the module are disabled. All sounds are triggered within the software and my headphones are connected to an audio interface
How does this position sensing work with the new Roland digital snare with the crossstick?
Hi Mike! Nice video. Do you have ezmix2? It would be great if you can explain how to use it with e-drums.
Carlos Turcios Olivera Hi Carlos, I once made a video about EZMix2. Check out my videos and playlists, you will find some videos where I talk about mixing with EZMix2.
Hi Mike, love your channel. Could you please help me? I have just loaded SD3 along with my TD50 however, I can't get a sound from my kick drum and the overall sound through my headphone is low. Can you please assist me?
Hi David, sorry for the late response. It's hard to tell from a distance what went wrong. Do you hear your kick drum when you just play the sounds from the module? And where do you plug-in your headphones?
Hola Mike...te quiero preguntar algo...
Uso una Roland td50 con superior drummer 3...
Pero cuando tocó pierdo estabilidad en mi PC..
Conecto vía USB al ordenador...
Veo que tú envías MIDI a una interfase Roland diferente ...
Estoy haciendo mal ,??
My Spanish isn't that great, but I try to answer. I don't know what you mean with "losing your stability". There can be hundreds of reasons for that. Hard to diagnose from a distance.
thx bro !
Hey Mike!!! You have great channel!!! Please help me with one problem. How to separate Rimshot and Sidestick or cross stick? we have roland TD 50 with SD 3. the 3 snare zones are working. we selected Roland TD 50 in the e drum inside SD3 but side stick not work when we play on the pad. the pad is the new digital snarePD140DS. I would like to hear the sound of the cross stick or side stick when I rest my hand on the drum head and play cross stick. But It works inside Roland.
I am not sure about the digital snare, to be honest. What you can do: Select the particular articulation in SD3 and allocate this to your snare using the "Learn"-function. When you have both articulations in your module, it's likely to be separate MIDI data that can be translated inside Superior Drummer 3.
I still have the idea that when I chose another preset I have to adjust always the snare to cc multiple zones. Because when I don't do that the pad where you can adjust the 3 zones is always empty. I would be nice if it was possible to adjust your own E-kit perfectly save it as a main preset. After that when you wanted to load a SD3 preset it would be loading within your main E-kit preset without changing that settings. Because you can't see what is happening with your E-kit settings and the settings of your snare are gone I always have to redo the snare settings. The hi hat settings don't chance. You can see that! Maybe I'm wrong and maybe you know that Mike. 🍺👍😎
Hi Rob, I don’t know for sure, but I think this is normal, because when choosing another preset, you‘ll have another snare, therefore different sounds. So you have to re-adjust the multiple zones again. But I have no access to my computer and SD3 currently, so I can’t check. I‘ll keep you updated once I‘m at my computer again.
Hi Mike, thanks for this great video! Very nicely done. I was wondering if you might do one dealing with the Hi Hat. I never got a natural, or even close to a natural response from the Hi Hat either with my former TD10 or now current TD50 with SD2. Maybe this struggle has been addressed in SD3. I will upgrade to SD3 shortly but just want to get ahead of the game a little in case there is a similar issue. I tried all the tweaks that were supposed to help with this, (selected Roland preset, adjusted pedal correction settings, edited the velocity curve, even edited individual articulations). If you could do a similar video to this one I just watched but for HH that would be great. It would be great to see what settings you have all around in SD3 to get a natural response. Thanks in advance!
Hi, thanks for watching. A video about this topic will come very soon as there are A LOT of people addressed that issue. I will try to show what I did and hope this will help out. Stay tuned!
Thanks a lot! I'll be keeping my eyes and ears open for it. Looking forward to it. Thanks again.
Roland CY-18DR positional is not working completely. Yes, if you hit bow or bell different notes are triggered. But positional sensoring with the bow does not work. Any thoughts anyone?
Hi. Sorry. For the three zones Snare are you need a module that support Positional Sensing dont you???? Tks
Yes, that’s correct
What happens when you drag a loop into a track with the edrum preset selected? Will the loop play?
Yes, of course. Depends on the preset then whether all pieces will be played. When your loop contains four toms, but the preset in SD3 just has two toms, it will replace them accordingly. Same goes for cymbals.
I use roland 27kvs and it is not an available option to choose when im in the midi in/edrums settings. Also couldnt find different snare zones only center was an option. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thanks so much!
Sean Andrews You're welcome, Sean.
Hi! Thanks for your usefull video!
I have a question please: I use two Roland midi modules with 19 parts (pads and cymbals). Some of them have rings I can set to another sound (so it gives 31 different items).
Can it be handled by Superior Drummer?
Thanks again!
How you map[ed the cymbal choke?
Hi does roland tm6 support positional sensing?
Hallo Mike, vielen Dank für dieses Video, das ist genau dass, wonach ich gesucht habe. Ich habe im SD3 die Einstellungen wie von Dir vorgegeben für das Zone Triggering eingestellt. In meinem TD50 Modul sehe ich auch die verschiedenen Anschläge meiner Snare in den Zonen. Komischerwiese wird aber im SD3 nur das CENTER getriggert. Könntest Du mir da evtl. weiter hilfen ? Gruß Karsten
Hi; Ferndiagnosen sind immer schwer. Spontane Idee: Sind die Artikulationen in SD3 alle aktiviert und zugewiesen?
Jetzt hat es doch noch funktioniert. Klasse :D
@@MikeLuke Hi Mike, danke für die schnelle Antwort. Es funktioniert nun. Jetzt guck ich mal , ob du auch ein Tutorial für die HiHat hast. Dann bin ich glaube ich wunschlus glücklich :D
Hab ich. ;) Schon gefunden?
Hello Mike,I just discovered your channel and what work. Good teacher, good phrasing, clear explanations, nothing but happiness.I have a question I would like you to answer if possible:I have a TD 20X module and superior drummer 3. Regarding the remapping, is it possible on a pad (let's say on the Tom alto) to have a tom sound on the center and a ride cymbal tone on the rim, and to be able to save it to find it the next time the preset is opened.If so, how.Thank youcordially(I am in France and the translation is from google)
Hello. Yes, this is possible. You need to save the preset, of course. Sometimes it is even better to save the whole session as a project. Keep in mind though that you need to do these changes for every other library you use.
@@MikeLuke Hello, thank you for this quick answer, would it be possible to go a little further into the subject. I can do it on this thread or on your email? I'm 76 years old, and for me computing is a little more complicated than for young people, but I'll hang on. cordially
Whatever you prefer. I am happy to help you out if I can.
Hello Mike, I hope you are doing well. Im right now trying to use my Roland SPD 30 to trigger Superior Drummer 3 inside Digital Performer with my Roland SPD 30 and I am getting no where. I can trigger SUP 3 with my midi keyboard but I can't with my Roland. Is there a way to map in SUP 3 with my SPD 30?
Thanks
Greetings Mike, excellent video, I have a doubt about the dynamics and sound, I use top drummer, addictive drums connected to an audio sound card, when I use them with my yamaha keyboard, the dynamics are very good, also when I use the mouse and I click, the sounds are perfect! but with the Triggers of my battery they respond in another way, the dynamics change and the sound is not the same, is it possible to get the same answer with Triggers as with a keyboard or a mouse? Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Hi da drausen, kann man nicht mal ein paar tutorials auf Deutsch machen über das ganze Thema Roland TD 20 50 usw triggern mit Superiol für leute die fast kein Englisch können und fast keine ahnung haben wie man das zeug richtig anschließt und einstellt ?? Wäre richtg suoer und viele währen sehr dankbar dafür !!! Lg. Steven
Hi Steven, danke für Deinen Kommentar. Ich habe schon öfter darüber nachgedacht, das auch auf Deutsch zu machen. Ist halt doppelte Arbeit. Du musst wissen, dass 80% aller Zuschauer oder Aufrufe meiner Videos aus den USA oder England kommen. Das Thema, das Dich interessiert, kann ich eh nicht mehr machen, da ich mein E-Drumset verkauft habe. Ich gebe Dir aber recht, dass es zu wenig solcher Inhalte auf Deutsch gibt.
Hi Mike, I’ve just got a VH 14 HiHat and have set the 3 zone settings in midi mapping set up , tip, edge & bell but I don’t seem to have the articulations to support it triggering 3 zones. I’ve just downloaded SD3 so presume I have the latest version but I’m stumped on this problem of not having enough articulations and can’t find any support regarding. Was hoping with your wealth of knowledge that you might know whether it’s something I need to aquire separately. Thanks in advance, love your work ❤
Hi John, thanks for reaching out. Well, this video you are commenting on is five years old. When I made this one, there was no VH14 on the market. Not all libraries from Toontrack support all articulations. Back then it was the opposite: some libraries have had articulations which the hardware (Roland, Alesis, Yamaha) couldn‘t reproduce or support due to lack of trigger zones. It‘s always hard to tell from a distance, so please treat this as a rough call: hit all zones on your hats (tip, edge and bell) and see if SD3 indicates them properly in the software. If yes, you can assign articulations to those zones in case the software does not support them by just loading the respective preset (in this case: Roland). It‘s a feature called „MIDI learn“, which also allows you to, for example, have a cowbell sound coming from the rim of a floor tom.
When you download SD3, make sure you have the latest version of Toontrack‘s „Product Manager“ installed, too. Launch it and see if your version of SD3 is the latest. Then pick your respective module (I assume it‘s the TD50 or the TD27, right? As they support the digital pads like the VH14).
@@MikeLuke Thanks so much. That’s very helpful
Tx, though I have EZD2, find it lacking and never use it with my TD-30. Your video certainly makes me consider the crossgrade to SD3
I think thats due to the fact that not all of the kits support Positional sensing in EZ2. Ive tested EZ2 and could only find one or two kits in the SDX packs that support positional sensing that worked for Roland. Where any Superior Drummer kit supports the positional sensing that makes the Roland TD-30 a cut above.
Hi Mike! I'm a bit ignorant to positional sensing... does the TD-9 support it? Rogue from the Toontrack forum said the 8, 9 AND 10 all support it. But I see conflicting information everywhere. Would I need a specific Roland PD-120/125 etc pad to implement it? I just read the TD-9 does support it. But I'm using a DIY snare with a Roland dual-trigger... thanks for any help, my friend!
Hey Chris! No, the TD-9 does not support positional sensing. I know because I used to have one on my own. 😉 To be able to use that feature you’d just need a stereo pad / dual trigger, which means a pad with two piezos, one for the center and one for the rim/edge.
Check out the Wikipedia page for Roland V-Drums, you‘ll find a comprehensive overview of ALL Roland modules including all features: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_V-Drums
@@MikeLuke Thank you, sir. So, only the TD-8, TD-10, TD-12, TD-20, and TD-30 (as far as older modules go). And the sucky thing about all of them is the screens go bad, right? Newer-- TD-25, TD-27, TD-50. Do any of those modules support the HH offset (like the TD-12), for tight articulations? What specific module do you use, again? Which would you recommend, all things considered? I have Superior 3.0 (upgraded from 2.0, in late 2018). I LOVE the stock kits, and Indiependent which I also own. As far as older kits to, I have The Blues, The Classic, Jazz, and Indie Folk, and of course, Avatar, from 2.0. I don't need anything else... they cover a LOT of ground for me. But yeah, I guess I'm just looking for the best type of module, especially with positional sensing. Thank you sir! :)
Well, in the end it’s a matter of budget, of course. I often recommend a TD20 in mind condition (or even the TD20X, which is even better). It has enough inputs (up to 15), so you can easily expand your kit with more pads if needed. It offers positional sensing and responses very well. Some older ones sometimes have issues with the LCD screen, but not the newer ones. But again, it’s a matter of budget, the size of your kit and your needs.
@@MikeLuke Thanks, Mike. I saw videos of people fixing their LCD screens with Contact Cleaner and spraying the ribbon contacts and ribbon ends themselves. Good to know, considering... any thoughts on the BT-1 for cross-stick stuff, attached to a snare drum?
chriscauldermusic Yes, the LCD screen is the weak point of some of the older TD20. I owned a TD20X, which - to my knowledge- didn’t have this issue anymore. And as I only and exclusively used all my modules just as a trigger module for SD3, I never cared anyway. The only button I ever needed on a module was the power switch ;)
Yes, the BT-1 is one my favorite pieces of gear from Roland. Super sturdy and handy, works really great. It’s a bit overpriced as almost everything from Roland, but it’s great. Used it for percussion sounds like cowbell or tambourine.
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Hi Mike. Thanks for all of your SD3 videos. I’ve learned a lot!
I have a question. I’m using a TD30 with SD3. I want to use a foot switch with my TD30 to switch the snare strainer off and on. Will this still work using SD3? If so, how do you set it up within SD3?
Keep up the excellent work!!
Rande
Hi Randy, I have no idea how this should work within SD3. I don’t want to say this is impossible, but it’s hard to believe how this may work.
Is this possible with the new Td-27 module ? You didn’t mention that one. Thanks
Because the TD27 wasn’t released at the time I made this video. But as far as I know the TD27 is capable of multi-zone playing as well.
Hi Mike, thanks a lot for another great Video and explanation of SD3. I love the toontrack stuff also since years but I have noticed one little Issue. Playing the sounds with edrums (I use a Jobeky with a TD50 Brain are not that loud and powerful than by clicking the Drums in the software GUI. I tried out a lot with vlocity curves but I am not really satisfied (same with SD2). can you give us a hint for that?
Hi Markus, yeah, I know that issue, some people talked about that. Do you use the same headphones and interfaces when playing? And do you use the TD-50 as an interface? I use an external interface (Roland Quad-Capture) and even a headphone amp, the loudness is more than enough for me. It’s a long chain that may influence the loudness. your DAW, the interface, the module ...
Thank you Mike! I use the TD 50 as Interface at the moment because the latency is fine and I need only the USB Cable to and from the brain to my mac;-). But I had this Issue with my former setup also and I used my very fast Zoom TAC2 Thunderbolt Interface then. I will double check the whole chain again:-).
Mike which Roland module are you using? The 30?
Joshua Ferry Yes, exactly.
Mike, with regards to positional sensing, is the Roland digital snare worth paying for (along with the TD50 or TD27 module) or can you also achieve a good positional sensing outcome from a normal centre mounted pad with the older modules?
I’ve always achieved good positional sensing with my own converted snare and the fabulous trigger system from R-Drums (made in Germany). However, a digital snare will always be better or even more accurate which is simply a question of the superior technology with a digital sensor. Of course you need to be a very good and accurate playing drummer to feel and to use the difference.
Mike Luke thank you. On the weekend I visited a friend who owns a TD50 to try out the generations pack but also try the positional sensing using the module and also using SD3. I was shocked once again to find that the variation in sound from centre to rim is much more pronounced in SD3 than using TD50 module snare sounds. On a similar topic I have a TD17 which does not have positional sensing but even the TD17 seems to produce many more articulations and sound variation in SD3 than in the module (possibly due to being able to select humanisation options in SD3 which I have done). Perhaps you can comment on this phenomenon and maybe it’s worth a video?
Voitek Biskup That’s easy to explain: SD3 simply contains more different articulations and a larger (so called) sample pool.
Thank you for this! What is the cheapest module/kit I can purchases to use these features? I am starting from scratch. Can EFNOTE do it?
All modules and pads that support multiple zones. Usually you find the information on the manufacturers respective websites.
Did you think about the Audiofront eDRUMin10 ? Awsome devices!
Hi Mike! Can you get a decent amount of positional sensing / articulations (through SD3) with an older TD-9 (using CY-15R, CY-13R, etc)... or would I need at least a TD-17? Thanks so much for your help!
Hey Chris, no, the TD-9 does not support positional sensing unfortunately. Check the official Wikipedia page for Roland V-Drums, you’ll find a comprehensive overview of all modules with their features listed so you can compare.
@@MikeLuke No, I know it doesn't support it... but I thought with some Superior workaround, I thought it possible. Thx!
chriscauldermusic No, Superior Drummer can just react to the MIDI information that’s been sent by a module. So the module is always the bottleneck
Mike, thank you so much for your time in responding with me. I kind of figured that it might not be possible. Like you I can't see how it would possibly work either.
Another question has arose now. I have my td30 setup where I can get rim shots as well as sidestick. Do you know how to make this work using SD3?
I think in a similar same way I showed in my video. You can assign those articulations to a given MIDI note. Just make sure that the module sends different MIDI notes for rimshot and sidestick.
very nice video Mike thank you for showing I'm really impressed...can you make a video about your hi Hat settings I have problem to get my to work properly the opening and closing buy me sounds weird in some way when is half open it sounds like it's all the way open and I can find out what to do any advice ?
Sure, i will. I get a lot of mails and requests concerning the HiHat, so that seems to be a problem.
Mike Luke Nice looking forward to it and thank you have a nice day keep up the good work
Hi Mike, awesome video as always! At around 5:30 you show the positional sensing happening on your TD-30. I also have an r-drum triggered snare and a TD-30 brain but the positional sensing doesn't work well. When I go to the very edge, at best the bar is reading in-between center and edge. It never goes to the edge. Any tips on getting the positional sensor to work better? Could the blue cone on the trigger itself be positioned to high?
Reid Campbell Hi Reid, yes, it’s essentiell to have the trigger cone in the right spot. R-Drums recommends that the tip of the cone should overlay the edge of the shell by 1.5mm max. There’s a Installation tutorial video by R-Drums here on your about the RTS Trigger system, you may check this out.
Awesome thanks Mike! I will try adjusting it tomorrow!
I don't hear the "humanize" feature as removing enough of the machine gun effect. Can you change the parameters of the variation?
Firago Music Yes, you can.
Hi Mike, my english is not at your level, can you say me if "the ride tip and shank" are well like the center and edge zone for the snare drum ? I have never hear the word shank and don't find answer. I was thinking at first it was about stick tip and shoulder, but it has no sense as you talk about cymbal zone here
Hi, but it’s exactly what you expected. Shank is like the shoulder, playing the ride with the whole stick like I show in my little groove.
Hi Mike, Really appreciate your input on following.. If I go a head with Roland TD-10 will send the same positional sensing midi data as it does with your module which is Roland TD-20x?
I think the Roland TD-10 does support positional sensing on the snare, too. Don’t know about the ride cymbal though.
Do you know if there is an option in sde3 to increase gain or velocity curve just for the edge or off center zone without changing the center one?
Yes. On the main window, select the snare, go to the top right corner of the screen, select the articulation you want to change, then increase the volume of that particular articulation
@@MikeLuke thanks, big help, now one more question, do you know if there is a way for mutting any note when I play a different one, for example let s say I m playing a tom and is still ringing, is there a way for me to mute it a soon as I play a snare for example?
is it also possible to play muted sounds on the cymbals. so i mean if i grep the cymbal and then play on the cymbal. is the sound different ? ..... as always.... great video !!
Manfred Nauer Hi Manfred, no, that's not possible (yet). Because all sounds are caused by vibration, whether on the cymbals or shells. If you grab a cymbal, no vibration will occur to trigger a sound.
But there is a Modul, i think its a yamaha. You grep the cymbal like you would if you want to choke the cymbal and then you get a different Sound when you play on top of the cymbal. I think its called mutet sound.
Did you do this for your toms too if not, why not?
Because on the toms you don’t have positional sensing. At least not with the TD30 module I used in this video.
Mike Luke do people usually use positional sensing on toms?
Cam Par As a drummer myself I would say no. Even on acoustic drums you just hit the drum centered or occasionally a rimshot. So the missing positional sensing was never an issue for me.
Mike Luke thank you
Hey Mike, fantastic video! This program is insanely impressive. I have a question/problem though. For my electronic drum kit which is a Roland TD-11K-S V-Drum Kit, when I clutch the high hat, it triggers many many notes and is pretty much unusable. Like if I slowly press the hi hat foot pedal down, it will trigger multiple notes and sounds robotic and not right. I can't figure out how to assign the clutch mechanism to just one sound. Can you/anyone give me a pointer? Thanks
Hi Richard, thanks for watching. I've made a separate video about the HiHat in Superior Drummer 3 recently. Did you see it? It may help you with your problem.
Thanks for the response Mike. I actually did stumble upon that video after I commented here haha. I believe it will help my problem. Thanks!
I like to put completely different cymbals on the edges of my cymbal pads than on the centre - can you show how to do this in Superior Drummer 3 (since you're also a Roland user)? In Superior Drummer 2.0, it worked via the MIDI learn function; now however, this changes the entire cymbal pad to the same note, rather than to e.g. Crash in the centre, China at the edge. 😕 I got it to work by accident on the ride, but I haven't figured out how to map these MIDI notes reliably yet.
Right click on the cymbal you want to change ... go to "more" ... then "Stack" ... "Add to" ... chose the articulation you want to change ...pick the cymbal you like to have on that articulation, click on "Stack on Crash", done.
Mike Luke Thanks, I did it a little differently in the meantime, via the MIDI / E-drum settings - selecting the different types of instruments (in this case "cymbals --> all", and then just assigned all the crashes, splashes and chinas manually to different MIDI notes, making sure there was no overlap. Then I merely had to change the MIDI notes inside the Roland drum module on my User Kit to match these numbers.
However, stacking seems to offer a lot of versatility for layering drums, so I am certainly going to use that soon! 😉
Hi, is this Positional Sensing on SD3 possible with a side mounted dual zone trigger like Helensson ITM2? or you have to use center mounted triggers? Thanks a lot
Hi Gustavo. You need to have a center mounted trigger, because otherwise the trigger can’t measure the right spot where you play.
@@MikeLuke Thank you very much! I am actually looking for more info, because there seems to be a way to do it with a side mounted. This guy has tested it and it seems like it works. I'll put the link to the forum in the next comment in case you see it, and I hope it doesn't get blocked by RUclips.
@@MikeLuke www.vdrums.com/forum/advanced/diy/1127839-positional-sensing-with-side-mounted-trigger
Gustavo Giardelli Drummer Well, I don’t think it’s a side mounted trigger. It’s important where the actual piezo is placed, not where the trigger itself is mounted (technical-wise).
@@MikeLuke oh I see what you are saying! Thank you for your quick answers!!! All the best!!
Can you please tell me what is the number cc16 means ? Thanks
CC stands for „continuous controller“, which means that in a single MIDI note several information are transported, such as velocity, or, in the case of the hihat, the level of opening. The number 16 is just for general purpose, often assigned with the snare. CC04, for example, is the foot controller which determines or controls the hihat.
Thank u so much really appreciate your videos
Hello Mike,for the hi hat? How we can set up?
Hey, I just made a video about the hi hat yesterday. Check out my channel.
hi, thx for sharing. I have a question although its not related to snare and rides. Its the hihat. I used the 'Roland" drum preset and the 'More close" hihat preset. However, when im playing a closed hihat in the edrum, it triggers the open hihat sound... Can you help me plz?
Jack accyou Hi Jack, what module do you use?
Mike Luke im using the td25. When i was using sd2 before, i simply choose a hihat preset curve, then its gd to go
Can the positional sensing work with lower end module that support PS like a td-10 or td-8?
Hi! The TD-10 supports positional sensing, the TD-8 does not. PS is available on the TD10, 12, 20, 25, 30 & 50.
the light is sLIGHTLY irritating
Sorry mate ;) Glad you watched the video despite of that.
I cant get SD3 to recognize the Positional Sensing on my TD25...
did the Mapping like you... and also i installed the latest driver and stuff.. any ideas?
thx
Hi York, did you check if Positional Sensing works within your module? SD3 can only use the information that's coming out of the module. So you may check the settings within the TD25 first. And of course you need a dual-zone pad (but I assume you have one when playing the TD-25).
Mike Luke yes PS works fine in the module itself...
Thanks for the reply though!
I double checked the ps settings in the module as well...
Well, then I have no idea, to be honest. I'd suggest to seek where the issue is based. In the main window of superior drummer there's this little box an the top where all the articulations per instrument are listed. Click on the snare, open the articulation box and then play your snare at different zones ... actually the different articulations ("center", "mid center", "edge" ..) should be highlighted then. If just the "center" articulation is triggered, you may then check the MIDI/E-Drum settings like I showed in my video.
how do you do rim-shots on e-drum?
Same as a real drum. The rims are another trigger and when the snare and rim are hit together it plays rimshots.
@@jackgoff4859 Thank you :)
I just want a drumset that is rimshot capable. Thank you :)
Hey Mike Thank you for this really helpful video. The external hdd MUST be a ssd? Or is a normal ext hdd 3.0 good enough?
Hey Ralf, well, a SSD is always a better choice. However, you don't need it. The speed of the external drive just determines how fast the samples are loaded into RAM. Once they are loaded into your RAM, all samples are available in real time. But the external hard disk does not influence how smooth the software works. So you probably need more RAM (8GB at minimum, I have 16GB). I have Superior Drummer 3 on an external HDD, connected via Thunderbolt to my iMac, which is fast enough for me. As I own a lot of expansion packs, too, I would have needed a 1TB SSD, which is too expensive for me.
Mike Luke Thanks you. I have 16 gm Ram. And I don" t Switch the kits. I only need one main rock kit for a gig.
Perfect, 16GB of Ram is enough as long as you don't use ALL internal room mics. But for a gig you usually you just need the direct mics, Overheads and maybe the room. ;) Have fun!
hey Mike Thanks for the awsome video
if possible can i send you a e-mail with some questions about conecting with a Roland module
Sure. Or maybe write your question here so everyone can take advantage in case I can help.
And we are still waiting for a Digital HH lol what's taking them so long!
thats what I refer! ruclips.net/video/SORxb6bOQJs/видео.html
the answer and the sound does not change, it's perfect, but using Triggers is not the same!
Bro close your window
still machine gunny
does all of SD3 have left and right snare hits and this vid is only using one or the other, perhaps?