Medieval Fighting was kind of... Insane
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2022
- I put on 80 pounds of Knights Armor and Tried BUHURT! A Medieval Fighting Sport that pits teams of Fighters against each other in the most extreme way possible, with swords, shields, axes and armor!
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Love your vids I’m so happy you gave me the idea to look up 50 more knight mma vids
the production of this video deserves a lot more views
Shared with the sword fighting group I'm in.
It would be awesome If u learned kobudo
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"You are gonna be perfectly safe" - Guy with a big ass axe that he is going to swing at you
😂
The "You flinched...." response... 😂 Seth is lucky he didn't get hurt
turns out he wasn't perfectly safe
@@robertbamza7253 yup. Someone with a previous shoulder or back injury might've been bedridden for a couple weeks after that lmao. You'd think the expert wouldn't miss the plate on a man mostly covered in well.. plate
@@XEpicGodX especially when he's showing how concerned he is about it 🤣
Imagine fighting a war and seeing a soldier do a side kick to another soldier
Side kicks, push kicks, oblique kicks and sweeps are all found in historical european manuals from the 15th and 16th centuries.
One manual by talhoffer even looks like a roundhouse kick to the body with the tip of the shoe
Me laugh in HEMA 😂😂😂
well it wouldnt work anyways.
If sidekicks don't work on unarmored opponents, what makes you think they'd work on armored opponents?
@@stanisawzokiewski3308 There are some in Talhoffer, but mostly for locked and crossing blades if I remember correctly. It might not be a great tactic for other situations in this type of combat.
Seth: "can you imagine being in the water in this?"
"yeah no prob it's stainless steel so it won't rust"
Seth: "..."
Remember the battle on lake peipus...
Haha yeah😂
Priorities.
Bruh
They were kinda weird man
I tried this back in the 90’s for a while and found out that this type of combat is extremely demanding and rewarding.
Every fighter should try it.
I mean just like any other full combat fighting sport, it definitely seems that you would have to do high intensity training and then all that training would pay off once you are on the battlefield
I will leave like thumb up to 69 just because
Imagine being the person on the third floor paying $1400 rent and seeing this outside.
I'd pay to see this
Me and my team were practicing in a park one day and after a few rounds we heard a enthusiastic "Woooooo" from the upper floors of an apartment building near by ha ha it was great.
That sounds like a perk if I've ever heard one.
This is approximately what I saw from my school windows (but soft weapons, they don't go steel). One day, I came there to join.
Hold my mutton honey, I’m joining this fight! ⚔️😂
I think having your head locked inside a tiny, heavy metal box while someone tries to bash it from the outside with a heavy object is enough to give anyone a panic attack. Helmet horror looks like it sucks hard.
It's still way better alternative to someone either slashing or stabbing your face with sword. So it's a matter of perspective, ya know.
I’m claustrophobic so I’d prob get a panic attack just from putting that thinkg on.
It feels great when you have it on, you feel like a tank. Then you get hit and remember weapons were built for a reason.
I'd guess a similar thing would be running around clearing buildings in a gas mask.
@@dovahbear0 I haven't done that, but fighting in a closed helmet does take a bit of acclimation. Once you're used to the limitations, your conditioning improves significantly. I've found swimming to be the best cardio for armor.
"Helmet horror" is exactly right. I've experienced it myself as part of a HAZMAT team while wearing the full suit, helmet, and SCBA in low-light conditions. The feeling of claustrophobia, hearing and feeling your every breath, restricted vision and movement. If you're not experienced with it or unprepared, it can get to you quickly. Longest I've gone is five hours all suited up. The adrenaline from knowing I was at most 3mm from conditions that would painfully kill me in minutes didn't help much.
hey friend, ive been in armor recently myself and spent a lot of time underwater. snorkeling your entire life really does desensitize you to helmet horror lol. maybe it's just me. but hearing my breath like that makes me want to nap. not ideal when someone a foot taller then me wants to take my lunch money lmao but no i totally can validate you're right and i wish i was warned before fighting.
@@lilconchSome people don't have it to start with, like claustrophobia in general
@@boonamai8926 I've had helmet horror one time in my life. I had just washed my cotton helmet liner and re-sewed it to my helmet during the off season and didn't think about how it would fluff up. Unable to get my fingers in to move the chin strap which was stuck around my ears with that liner to close... Yeah. I felt it.
yep, that shit is absolutely horrifying. Happened to me in my motorcycle helmet once, I sat at a light and the visor got foggy, so I wanted to lift it a bit. realized it was stuck, and with no wind going, it was getting a bit stuffy in there. Ok, no problem, just take it off and figure out why the visor is stuck. By that time I was already getting a bit nervous, and forgot to take my gloves off before trying to undo the strap, I fumbled around with it for like five seconds, and that was the moment where I just panicked. no vision, bad air, and knowing that you can't get this thing off your head right now just puts you in fight or flight mode immediately.
I've been doing armoured combat for the past 20 years and I really felt both the shoulder shot and the hypo-oxia in the helm.
As far as the hitting you with a polearm out of combat and off the armour, that was way out of line. If he was one of my students he would have got a verbal reaming. Glad to hear you are OK, a hit like that can do real damage.
I was surprised by that too. With grey hair like that I'd expect him to be highly experienced and thus able to choose where and how he hits.
Yeah that was definitely fucking weird, I feel like they were just trying to show Seth how badass they were
Also with Seth very much hesitant and not rlly wanting him to hit him
that was really unnecessary. Such a blow might be made against the helmet, which is properly armored, but not against the shoulder, which is only a thin sheet of metal. But in general, the armor he got didn't convince me. From a Falchion blow there should be no such dents in the chest plate. But well, that speaks against stainless steel and for hardened spring steel.
I got the feeling that polearm hit was the older guy's way of telling him he had enough of his jokes. Dick move basically.
You see why daggers were so important in the age of plate armor.. you see how grappling becomes important? Good place to have a pointy dagger in the clinch and try to stick it in the gaps and soft bits...
Don’t tell Icy mike. Blades are terrible self defense weapons.
...and if that fails - stick the dagger on a stick and pike the knight.
The armpit has always been a devastating place to slip a blade in when it comes to fighting in full plate. A nice thick long ice pick/stiletto would probably mean death.
@@MrBenwaan out of curiosity... do you know how LONG pikes are? cuz daggers are extremely close range, a pike is like a spear, but WAY longer... to the point where its kinda rediculous...
@@whodis5444 not just, the joints in general are the weakspots in armor
I have no problem with this sport. It's neat and people can do whatever they want... but for the love of God, no one ever mistake this as how people fought in armor.
This is how people fought armor vs armor on the ground. They wrestle and then shank each other with a dagger in the gaps of the armor. Upper body strength was extremely important in Armor vs Armor fights.
Usually through a knight never left their horses, they were knights for a reason, they were good at riding & rich so why would they risk themselves fighting like the peasants on foot, its too risky.
@@ElDrHouse2010 A major factor here is that the armor they are wearing in this video weights between 50-100% more than the average set of full plate during the medieval era.
Their weapons being blunt combined with the suits having so much more inertia means that far less momentum is transferred to the wearer when hit by a heavy weapon. A sharpened hardened steel axe head or spike will bite into armor and transfer all the momentum, the shear transfer of energy at times could break bones or kill from brain hemorrhaging/concussion. Wrestling to the ground and going for a stab was a well known way to take down someone in full plate, but 1 or 2 good hits in the wrong spot and you will have a dead iron man.
@@KingFate20 yeah its like 2 people in full swat gear fighting each other with the police baton. Its just not reflective of medieval combat.
@@ElDrHouse2010 notice how the dude that used a slightly larger axe hit him in the shoulder and hurt him? Now imagine a even bigger, sharpened polearm coming down on you. Or the blunt end. Plenty of fights, even when they were lucky enough to have that much armor (the average was 50-65 lbs) a solid blow from a halberd would knock you right out. They purposefully use lighter weapons in this sport.
@@hemmydall many "weapons" made for this sport are heavier than their historical counterparts. This sport turns every weapon into a blunt-impact-weapon (including those that were primarily used for thrusting or against unarmored targets) and thus they have to be heavier. That falchion for instance looked very heavy (historically usually less than 1kg) and a real one would be rubbish against even mail.
Imagine someone like Brian Shaw wearing full medieval armor running at you with a 1.5m long axe screaming TO VICTORYYY...
I’d want a long ass spear
i would just start digging my grave
pick up a stick, scream ad victoriam and start running the same direction. i f you cant fight them join them
Just scream back "URA" And you will get some reinforcement from the local clan
In Brian's case, it's 2m to fit his size. Which means I'll go to the newrest priest to recite me my last rites
Love that Seth tries all this stuff. He's clearly talented but not afraid to look like a noob to try new things. We could all learn from that.
I mean to be honest he was doing a really good job, I mean I'm not sure how I would fare in this sport but I think not to sound too flamboyant, I think I could do pretty decently but I just think that any beginner once they get the lay of the land I think they can do pretty good
Man this looks fun. Always nice to see sensei seth throwing his kicks, even in knight armour
Further proof, side kicks do not work.
Keeping your balance for a solid kick is really hard in armor, I was super impressed to see that kick.
@@alricfremanosrs1509 The weights is pretty evenly distributed. So the center of mass is pretty much the same as unarmored. Just more momentum
@@vast634 I have worn and fought in a suit of armor. You can learn to manage the extra momentum, but even a trained martial artist in armor for the first time is going to struggle with balance, kicking is about controlling and directing momentum, having more of it, even if the distribution is even, throws off your balance while in motion like that.
and did I here NC, MORE REPRESENTATION FOR NC LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think it's interesting to see the different habits people form when fighting with armor vs without. You can see during these fights how Seth is bouncing on the balls of his feet and bobbing his arms around to try and fake the other guy out while the other guy is standing relatively still. In an unarmored/unarmed fight Seth has the right idea, but in this situation with the added weight it's the other guy who has the right idea standing still to conserve energy.
Yes! It seems that conserving energy becomes one of the upmost prioritize, to only strike when it actually matters, aswell only move when needed. Its still very important to move with the enemy, as just bashing blindly into them will tire you out and wont bring him down. A lot of people see this sport as just random people bashing at each other like there is no tomorrow, but in reality it has some very important factors to play with, stamina being one of those.
So true! As a guy who started in karate and did armored stuff for decades...bouncing is not the way. Extra movements are not the way. You can always tell people who learned to swing a sword with no armor first because they bounce while people who learned wearing their armor never bounce. In Buhurt outside USA people practice mostly with foam and save their armor for competition...they usually bounce and move a lot, while Americans traditionally have practiced more in their armor and less out of it and rarely bounce (that's changing a bit as people emulate Europe).
That is some tiny shoulder armor. I wasn't surprised he felt those hits to his shoulder. I'm pretty sure having armor fit your body proportions is a big component in keeping you safe everywhere.
Not me literally screaming "THROW HIM!!!" at my phone at the breakfast table watching y'all grappling on the hill in full plate. 😂😂😂😂 I'm so glad I found your channels, dude. I love how you throw yourself into all these new things, full bore.
"stand still and let me get the edge-alignment right on a 75% power overhead strike on the same shoulder that we had JUST established wasn't that well protected with a much larger weapon for.. i dont know.. a demonstration i guess about how safe this is. oh did you get hurt?"
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4:15 was a dick move, I've been to alot of these medieval events and there's typically rules to avoid the neck area because of obvious reasons
That trainer seemed like a douchebag for sure. Straight up hitting a first-timer with a fucking two handed ax.
Devils advocate, accidents happen and he was just testing how will the plates work?
@@Devilspade nope just wanted to hit someone
@@lancefisher8358 welp i tried
there were cases of lost eyes or ears even on such events. Mostly agaisnt russians I think, or when they fought each other.
How it begins: Two warriors in full armour and with weapons face themselves, this battle will be legendary. Who knows what tactics we're going to see.
How it really ends:
They hug.
I always like the time before knights light armor fighting is way better way more skill involved ik they can’t do light armor unless wooden swords
Seth you continue to have the best martial arts channel on RUclips
I just want to point out that historical armor wasn't as heavy. They add even more protection for this because it's a modern sport. Not that it takes anything away from the toughness of the competitors.
BTW, I think you should try some longsword or other HEMA now, as it is mostly based on unarmoured combat. Might be a better fit for you... ;)
Some historical full suits of armor were 77+lbs, particularly if you include arming clothes with their mail bits, but not too many of them. Of course, historical warriors were probably a bit smaller than people today on average.
Tournament armour and battlefield armour were different weights.
Tournament armour being heavier.
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 The people using this sort of armor were taller and heavier on average, due to good food and living conditions because it was expensive. they also had a racial advantage in size and strength because they were Caucasian.
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 not battle field armor. You are looking at 30 to 60 pounds for a full set (Everything). Note that both extremes are rather rare, most would be in the 40 to 50 pounds range.
For tournaments and display, it could get to 80 pounds.
@@nathanc939 Yes, battlefield armor. See Neil Bockus's study.
4:03 "You're safe I promise". I don't know guys, I think this guy should not be someone who teaches others about this. This guy is actually dangerous.
That was my main feeling about that dude as well, this did not seem like a good/safe group of people to train with!
You're safe I promise..... proceeds to instantly injure him with a 2 handed axe due to bad fitting armor
oh cmon he wasnt that dangerous but yes he probably won't use such a hefty weapon anymore. The big 2 handed axe is not for teaching. He should have aimed for the chest with an horizonal not vertical stike, which was better protected than the shoulders.
@@ElDrHouse2010 Bro, it showed he disregards safety completely. Don't try to make this look good, it wasn't good.
@@twigsagan3857 yeah he should use just a pole big two handed stick instead - like in the club that i was visiting. All newcomers were using big 2 meters pvc pipes with metal rod inside, or just a solid tree branch - much more safe.
The fact you did a side kick with armor on was sick 😂
Fair play for putting yourself through this just to show what it's like, that looked tough as heck
Dude, this looks like a ton of fun! Exhausting, painful, and kinda scary, but really fun too. Then again, contact (and combat) sports are my favorite thing.
Yeah, there’s a difference between joking around and mocking something. You were just joking around, and these guys seemed continually on edge because of it. ‘I promise you won’t get hurt’ - hits you in the unprotected part of your shoulder. Is this basically a medieval McDojo?
Agreed. These guys seemed... not too great, to be honest.
Yes very self conscious group of guys. It's a nerd sport if you want it to be or not lol.
Yeah, a major red flag is the inability to laugh at yourself
Yeah this has nothing to do with martial arts.
Certainly seems like one
Genuinely impressive dude. Looked like really hard work, you did well to keep going.
Been in the sport for over a year now an I love it. The people and brotherhood that comes with it is insane
I’m thinking these guys might not be the best representatives of the sport.
They aren't the worst
@@user-xq4st9ie7r They're pretty damn close.
"Do not cheapen my sport with your bullshit" ..these guys need to get over themselves and lighten the hell up a bit. The whole scene had a real insecure vibe to it, like they'd feel a sense of superiority if you got injured or panicked from claustrophobia
Having messed around with some from Seattle.....yeah these guys are not the best representation of the physical. Pretty slow
@@angledcoathanger yeah, ultimately it's playing pretend as knights, just as we make fun of football players for wearing shiny colorful tights and men's soccer players for being oscar-worthy actors when someone steps on their pinky toes, if you can't take a friendly jibe about your playtime, that demonstrates some pretty intense insecurity
I suggest you do some HEMA training too! It's very similar but a slightly different ruleset and padded protective gear instead of plate armor (except for vital points like helmet, gloves, elbows, knees, etc.) We also tend not to use weapons that have as much concussive force as the ones shown in this video, as the style in this video is about armored fighting melees and most HEMA is about simulating unarmored duels.
I think in theory HEMA includes armored combat (historical european martial arts) and many different weapons, altough in practice most that I see doing it use swords and do unarmored duels.
I wonder if there are people doing historical armored combat (in the sense of you score if yyou could kill the other guy with the dagger), but maybe it is hard to do with all the half-swording etc...
@@samuel.andermatt they do, some people practice harnischfechten, which is half swording in full armor to try and get in the gap, its not very popular and you will probably never see one done irl, but it exists!
@@samuel.andermatt HEMA only uses armored gauntlets because hand shots are so common & everything else is fencing gear basically. So it is much lighter & breathable. HEMA is meant to simulate duels not war in armor so it is less extreme. The swords are also made of plastic but still weighty on the handles so they have the correct heft to them.
@@ElDrHouse2010 actually, if you are using the full kit most of the time we use steel swords called "Fedders" which where historically used for training! The nylon training swords are most useful for introducing people to the hobby, as they require less protective equipment, and are cheaper!
@@ElDrHouse2010 To correct this,
1.) The only piece of HEMA gear that is directly ripped from MOF (sport fencing) is the masks, most of which are coaching masks.
2.) most clubs use steel trainers while sparring, which are modern incarnations of 16th century federschwert. They weigh as much as a real sword, but are thin, flexible, and feature an enlarged swell at the cross guard to better protect the hands. The only noteworthy club that primarily uses synthetics is the Acadamy of Historical Fencing, a British group with high membership, meaning buying synthetics for club use is far more affordable.
I love watching Battle of the Nations medieval tournaments. 5v5 is the most entertaining in my opinion because I find that individual skill is just as important as teamwork in those types of small team competitions.
Honestly great example. I'm more interested then anything else I have seen. You did them justice!
Imagine the brutality of the actual fights where to loose meant you died
There are many historical paintings depicting these kinds of battle's,
Getting stabbed straight through the butthole wasn't common but it could happen 😂,
That and the face
You're probably gonna get stabbed in the face
Typically Knights were attempted to be captured alive and ransom back for money. You just kill off the normal footsoldiers which were typically far less armored until much later periods.
Just lie on the floor pretend youre dead
The most terrifying thing about pre-modern warfare is that 90% of battlefield casualties didn't happen during the battle, they happened *afterwards*. It's not the blow that puts you down that kills you. But if you go down you pray to every god you can think of that your side wins cause otherwise the guy who's coming to loot your body will get you. Or you just get trampled to death when your side runs away and the other guys run after them.
@@dmandy7968 true the lords are alway the priority cause they have the money and resources
To be honest, that wasn’t really the best introduction to the sport. To work/protect properly armour needs to be made for a person and their specific measurements. Wearing someone else’s kit will always feel awkward, and increases the danger of injury. Plus this here was definitely way too heavy, both historically and for buhurt standards. Most kits weigh around 40-55 pounds. The weight of the helmet they gave you was also quite extreme. It’s as if they wanted to limit your movements and exhaust you as much as possible ;P I agree with other comments suggesting you try HEMA. It’ll be definitely more suited to your skills and is actually a much better representation of the real way people fought in the middle ages.
Agreed about the fit, but let's be honest, no one's going to spend $3k+ to try something out. Loaner gear is the first enemy you fight. The armor for ACS/HMB is overbuilt, but it's to increase survivability for the power level generated. We want people to go home without fractures and concussions. 600 years ago, a broken rib/collarbone didn't matter as much, as you'd just get captured and ransomed back, but now, it's debilitating for work. Same for a concussion- you're just a big, shiny paycheque to anyone who sees you unable to defend yourself.
@@godoftenors sure, no one expects him to buy his own kit and wait a couple of months to have it made for a single video, but what Seth received was quite clearly mismatched and overly heavy even for buhurt standards. I've been in buhurt for 15 years now (I'm on my 3rd armor currently) so I know quite well how the gear works and what the modern standards are, and 80 pounds is not it. I think fighters often like to overplay certain aspects of the sport in such displays for dramatic purposes, or they just gave him some old kit that no one's been using for quite some time. Be that as it may, I'm sure he'd still feel the weight of the armor in something closer to what we actually use now, but it would also show much better how dynamic actual buhurt can be. Not to mention IMCF/HMB pro-fights.
@@harnischfechter As I said, loaner gear is the first enemy. When I started with SCA armored combat, everything was a little too big except the gauntlets, which were a tad too small. I enjoyed it enough to commit to armor, and am working on getting a kit finalized to take to BoN 2023 qualifying next year for USA. If I can swing it with work and make the cut, I'll have a (cloth) swan crest on my helmet.
HEMA is NOT how people fought in battles..... it's how they faught in duels.
U are clearly biased
I agree they could've picked better armor for him tho
That part about taking full breaths to purge the CO2 out of your helmet is wild. Gotta remember that if you're gonna try this
i love how it turns from trying to lock and wrestle your opponent to the ground to an intimate hug.
Okay here's what we need Seth. You, Hard2Hurt, Houston Jones, 2 other YT dudes if you so desire. Y'all get together, train, and fight 3v3 / 5v5 and see if the YT martial artist can hang with the knights. I'd pay money to see that.
Icy Mike would go NUTS with those weapons.
why would you assume houston needs armor? his skin is dense enough
I was thinking seeing Icy Mike in this would be fun. How about Wonder Boy and Sweet T to round out the team. Or even Armchair violence and Metrolina?
uhhhh 5v5?? If Houston is there it should be 1v9 MINIMUM
Please gentlemen! Watch serious RUclips videos about medieval weaponry like ,Scholagladiatora'' or ,Metatron' The men behind this two channels are both educated academics and experienced practitoners of HEMA ( Historical European Martial Arts). This channels my be to boring for action interessted people, but intressting for people who want to have serious knowledge.
Jeff is a cool guy, I have experienced the same terror. Need to refit my armor and get back into it. Thanks for the video!
This was VERY educational; thank you!
Hey Seth, I'd recommend you check out HEMA after this. Buhurt/Battle of Nations is known for favoring strength and endurance over technique, and obviously for the sake of safety you see less of actual anti-armor techniques. However, HEMA studies that in depth a lot more. For example, Fiore has a manual that includes anti-armor fencing, in-armor fencing, and grappling.
Whenever I hear someone say "Buhurt is known for favoring strength and endurance over technique," I know I'm about to read some ignorant ass shit.
I trained HEMA for 5 years before converting to Buhurt. Saying Buhurt lacks technique is like saying HEMA lacks anyone who can actually fight:
It's reductive & ignorant.
The stereotypes propagated about the various sword sports are propagated entirely by fools who have only ever tried one, or bitter old men who were pushed out of one sport for being cunts.
This should have more likes.
They say a stab is killing knights. But its a lot easier to crush them with a hammer.
You did great in the armor but those shots from that 'coach' should of never happened. It is NOT okay to shoulder strike someone with a polearm outside of national/international tournaments. For him to do it to you as a 'haze' and MISS the shot.. That's seriously not okay and would be considered a 'dick move' to anybody else involved with Buhurt.
That was lame.
I agree. I've seen his type before. Not very welcoming lol.
NERD
I was thinking the same thing, "you'll be okay", right..
Theres another 3 people among us
Good to see the Dire Drakes are still around after the pandemic, I was looking into them the same time I started HEMA. I noticed you're a Carolina boy like me so if you want some HEMA training the Triangle Sword Guild is in Raleigh and I'm sure we'd love to have you out at a class.
It was cute to see the combat turn into a sportsmanship hug
In actual combat they’d be trying to stick their daggers in the gaps of their armour
Actually took me a second as a German to get the "Das Boot" joke...
I never thought about the effect the armor has on breathing. Just from trying to imagine it, helmet terror sounds like such a fitting description!
I have a full faced airsoft helmet inspired by scifi and Medieval helmets. It has breathing holes and even that, but despite this I can feel that I’m getting less oxygen.
This guy deserves more subscribers his content is super entertaining.
whats for supper?
@@krabby4456 Lmaoo my typo from a year ago I’m dead 😭
@@pink1920 a mistake from a year ago is still a mistake, cheer bud have a good one!
These dudes really take themselves so seriously. Gives off big “I got bullied so now I haze people who want to play my sport” type energy
what are you talking about?
@@anopirsten7565 he's talking about how these guys are giant man babies that are riddled with insecurity and can't allow anyone make fun of their objectively silly and stupid "sport"
I 100% agree, fat dude with the glasses and the guy helping him put his armor on we’re douchy. Put the fat dude with the glasses in a construction, real army, real firefighting shit put him in front of a woman and watch him sink at all them 🤣🤣
Isaac Garr hides behind his screen
I'd love to hear his opinion in person
@@connorohare229 youre the kind of guy who cant loom another man in the eyes connor
I had heard how important wrestling and clinching is in HEMA/Buhurt/Zornhau/swordy smashy fun times sports but it's really cool to see that in action.
The guy using his axe handle for a Thai plum was dope.
Some sword instruction manuals have more wrestling techniques than cuts
I’m a buhurt fighter and with polearms one of the best clinches is the tai plum when using longer polearms. It gives you a lot of leverage for throws with a polearm and it’s easy to get out of with a long polearm if you want to get away and swing.
I guess it makes sense since full armors are good enough to defend from cuts. Other than stabs on weak areas of the armor, blunt force is the best way to deal damage. The heaviness of armors also reduces mobility and wears the body more so clinches and throws becomes even more effective.
@@sixjhontongalamar979 Plate armor does not Reduce your Mobility as mutch as you think, atleast when its good made, A Full Plate Armor is as Heavy as an Full Geard soldier from our time, there is even a Test with a Firefighter, a Knight and a Modern Soldier, the Soldier was the Slowest of them all, so Late Plate Armor was very good
The way the armor dent at 3:41 after being half-heartedly hit with a blunt weapon gives away the "quality" of the armor. Real medieval armor is most certainly stronger than that
Armor was looted from battlefields and patched up that it was hard to tell who was the manufacturer and what caused their death. Smiths had reputation for making better or worse quality since each had their own recipe.
I think it depends, there were heat treated high quality high carbon steel armor suits which were incredibly strong, and on the other end munition armor suits which were far weaker in comparison.
at least it wont get stained
There was plenty of crappy armor around back then too. Not everyone wearing armor was a rich lord.
@@robertagren9360 Infantry armor, yeah. Knight duel armor? Nope
You can tell Jared loves his job so much. He’s like a kid in a candy store talking about medieval stuff, I love it 🙂
The crazy thing is that those matches last around 2 minutes, Knights dealt with that armor and those symptoms for 3-9 hour sieges.
My boy seth was throwing feints with a shield lol 🤣
He's checking kicks as well 😆
Why wouldn't you throw feints? A shield, especially a buckler like he had, was just as much of a weapon as a sword or axe.
Looking at how they grappled, I see where shin kicking might have been useful
Also was waiting for a Hema episode
Buhurt is awesome, but it is not nearly as historical as hema because these guys are not using anti-armor techniques like jabbing daggers in the eyeslits or groin. They mostly bash armor that is designed to be bash resistant.
@@HenrikBSWE The weapons and the armor are usually overbuilt in buhurt for safety and durability.
@@HenrikBSWE believe it or not... that poleaxe is pretty safe because no parts of it were sharpened or had a distinct point, would still hurt like absolute hell to get slammed by either of its parts tho...
@@HenrikBSWE its not really heavy... its just slightly heavier than what the normal version with a sharp edges would be since there is no edge(the process of making it would actually reduce the weight)... its effectively a steel sheet of metal shaped into an axehead slapped onto a haft... but i do see what youre trying to get at there, in general, keep your digits safe from attacks(since no stabbing motion is allowed, you only need to be concerned about swings that would directly move towards the weaker parts of your body that could easily break)... other than that, the armor and padding should provide more than enough protection for you, but itll still hurt since its a force being directly concentrated and driven into an area of your body after all...
And this is why I love shin kicking lol
this was the kinda video i was lookin to see how it was, thanks for sharing.
Love seeing everyone coming to watch.
You can really see, how grappling was important in these fighting situations. Armored and weapons in clinch, kicking and punching doesn't have much effect but if you fall...
Never underestimate the lethality of the dagger, especially on the ground with reduced movement and visibility. The armour can get you a false sense of invulnerability until you make that one mistake and get a rondell through your ocular.
That was sick! I would love to see you try HEMA and fight with longswords or something next.
that takes waaay more specialised training than jumping into a suit of armor and fighting people the way he always fought, but trying it out and showing it to his community would still be fun.
I like how he went from "holy shit this is terrifying" to
"Imma kick your ass" near the end lmao
Have heard about buhurt since years ago, but this video really makes me understand the craziness of this sport...
I'm so happy you're covering historical martial arts and their Combat sport offshoots.
Just finished watching the video! You did so well. Obvious learning curve but totally held your own out there! Sometimes it's just about holding out.
6:25 Awww there hugging!🤗
Dude awesome! I love it when people try this sport! I love doing it :)
I'm glad you struggeld too. I can fight better than average and I'm not a small guy but when I tried this for the first time, someone smaller than me and someone who knew no martial arts besides this, made things very hard for me haha. It was humbling. I thought they were just a bunch of nerds before I gave it a go and they gained my respect big time. It's really hard
Hey cool to see you doing some buhurt! You actually did really good for a first time in kit. But that two hander shot to the shoulder shouldn't have happened
I liked how he protected himself with his arms. And the sudden buckler jabs can be a credible threat if improved and comboed later. But that's just my feelings and I didn't do the sport but you do!
@@AntonAdelson you learn to let some attacks come through. Getting hit in the head isn't that bad because it's your thickest piece of gear but getting arms chopped by a pole axe can definitely hurt. But he seriously did great for a completely new guy in kit.
@@fergerlrr7481 He did OK, but part of that was his opponents going pretty easy on him. Their hits on him weren't too hard and they were very forgiving with the grappling and shield punches.
Which is good, because there's little benefit in going all out against a beginner who is trying to learn.
But I have to wonder if they weren't overcompensating after the Santa impersonator claiming to be an instructor almost took Seth's arm off for no reason...
I would strongly recommend you avoid going there again. Those guys don't know what they're doing and seem like bad news.
1) They didn't gave you jousting armor that was 10-20lbs heavier than real field armor, so they didn't give you proper armor,
2) the "coach" made fun of you for flinching when he swung a fucking axe at you, which is a huge douche move,
3) the "coach" gives me serious McDojo instructor vibes who doesn't seem to give a shit about safety, let alone historic accuracy,
4) the fact that he said you wouldn't get hurt and he hurt you not 30 seconds later with a 2-handed axe on your shoulder area was incredibly dangerous and could have given you hematoma which could have caused a blood clot, or worse, fractured or straight up broken your clavicle.
5) that armor was so shitty and not well protective for real weapons, but if it was any less protected you definitely would have gotten pretty injured and at least fractured a bone.
6) "Palmetto Knights"? Dude that's just cringey. Doing it for fun is one thing, but that dude is clearly not a knight so he should stop calling himself one. That's the equivalent of a Karate orange or green belt calling themselves a an expert or a master.
7) they're trying to come off as rough and tough and are self-conscious that their sport is nerdy and thus are overly uptight about it being looked at as such. FFS they can't even take you making a joke about their sport being nerd shit, saying "this is a fucking sport." Like chill bruh, it's not serious.
Overall it looks like the equivalent of a McDojo. Please try HEMA. It's way more professional and suits your skills better.
Should be noted, that this hmb team is an outlier. My team is fantastic and we always joke around about our crazy sport
@@baronbirdman4979 Absolutely, that sounds like a good team right there.
@@LethalByChoice hmb or hema, never want a bad apple to ruin the bunch. I do agree with your post he should try hema or something similar
It was awesome seeing someone with your abilities try this
I love that you instinctually use the Thai knee block to stop incoming attacks. We got a Muay Thai guy here for sure.
The armor you had on was so poorly made.. I feel so sorry for you haha! I hope you had fun though! We love to see the people showing interest to try Buhurt! Well done too! GGs
I thought I was the only person who thought that. Dented so easily.
Would wrestling training help a lot in this sport?
Dented with a single handed sword strike lol
@@NothingYouHaventReadBefore usually stainless dents super easy. It’s not the greatest metal for buhurt. Most peoples armor is made of spring steel.
@@AntonAdelson Definitely would help you to have a tactic visualized in your head, to make a strategy and bring down your opponent, but also train your breathing!
Seems like they gave this guy some real cheap armour considering the buckle on the helmet broke so easily along with how easy and deep the armour dented
Awesome workout, I would love to get into this sport.
I like this stuff and always wanted to get into it, im not one of those people who thinks that everything should be open to people who dont want to put in the effort of learning something but the head coach guy seemed like a not to fun person, the others seemed fine though, Seth seems like such a level headed person who knows how to laugh things off I really look up to that kind of attitude.
For another foray into the weapons arts, I can suggest a few- HEMA (try a few different weapons out, with longsword, MS 1.33, rapier, and sabre being ideal), SCA (armored, fencing, and war melee), and ARMA (precursor to HEMA, still around as a distinct entity).
Fun fact, you can get helmet horror with motorcycle helmets too, dont crash so hard that it gets stuck
I got 3 minutes into this episode before I looked up "buhurt" nc and found the Dire Drakes page and then realized that some of the buildings in their pictures look awful familiar.
Then i read the description and found it that this video is with the Dire Drakes.
Nice.
I love how there kids in the background at 7:35
Mad props for giving this a shot, man. Fighting in armor requires a different sort of economy of movement. I hope you also check out some of the historical techniques. Tons of grappling, actually.
What? No spinning roundhouses or flying jump kicks in 80 lbs of armor! Anime has lied to me!
Looks like a lot of fun!
Wish I would’ve tried
It is possible to do all of those things in full armor with a little training and proper fitting gear.
@@BlurpGooDiJabba although significantly more tiring. And significantly worse for whoever happens to be on the reciving end. An extra 40 pounds of mass being flung at you results in significantly more broken bones.
@@Santisima_Trinidad not at all, the padding absorbs alot of damage.
@@BlurpGooDiJabba for the person your kicking whilst wearing the armour? Intresting
Seeing the brigandine shift and move as they fought was actually pretty cool
I will say, good on you for actually doing this, shit stings/hurts, even ratan hurts hella man!
if you're using a shield, extend it out in front of you. It's much more effective that way than if you're holding your shield close.
he had a small shield so he had to keep it close to move it accordingly
@@operator0101 It is the opposite, having a small shield means that it is even more important to hold it out from your body.
@@CyberJellos oh ok i thought about it and yeah that makes sense.
Yep. Buckler technique is all about keeping it extended to get the maximum cone of defense. Of course that ends up demanding some good shoulder endurance.
That would work in a HEMA fight, but not in this situation. The shield is more useful as another weapon than it is for defense.
I honestly just love being in this sport so much. It's super demanding, but the friends you make are lifelong for sure!
Re- thinking the mail lol. This looks like a blast of fun
The side kicks while in the armor made me chuckle
Next try HEMA. Buhurt is relatively ahistorical, it kinda just makes stuff up when it comes to equipment and technique.
Buhurt is not unfair: it is not the way to fight in war but the way to fight in tournament. I've seen much more wrong techniques in hema in armis tournaments
@@lucapollaccia740the comment didn't say it's "unfair", just ahistorical
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 but it is effective storical...it is exactly the way tournaments were held in the Middle Ages
@@lucapollaccia740 What? Most probably not, since we have treaties that specifically deal with tournaments and judicial dueling. I haven't seen those guys exploiting gaps of the armor with a dagger, nor using a dueling shield. Not to say Bohurt is bad or anything, it's just most probably unhistorical.
@@epiqur6574 I repeat: it is not unhistorical, it is simply what happened in the 1300/400 tournaments, where you did not hit in the armor gaps but you already hit to look for the scores. They are simply two different types of combat, both correct in their specific use. The Buhurt is the descendant of the "Bagordo" a type of tournament in which the rules are practically identical to the current ones
Thank you for doing it! Hope time for HEMA longsword tournament will come too.
I really never imagined how claustrophobic it would be in a helmet that you can barely see through not to mention hard to breath through as well
LARPers: * having fun hitting each other with foam swords as a *HOBBY* *
Buhurters: " Am I a funny comedy ( joke ) to you "
Helmet tear is a scary experience man
Good to see you stepping closer to my martial art.
Any chance of you giving HEMA a try? 😀
Also would be cool to see the difference between buhurt and harnessfechten
@@colinlawler8785 Yeah, that would be pretty awesome. Especially since the kit looks so similar.
Seth will definitely learn Longsword one day. He already did fencing which is the more boring sport version of Rapier/Epee basically.
@@ElDrHouse2010 True.
The side kicks!!! I love it. Ser Karateka
I love how this looks really cool and a little silly at the same time
From H.E.M.A. to Hematoma in one video.
Any chance we're gonna see the time machine go to feudal Japan?
A great RUclipsr covering my favorite sport; I can't stop grinning!
I've done this, in the SCA, and have severe asthma.
Most of it is training.
Some of it is adapting the kit to your needs.
A lot of it is pacing and knowing when to disengage.
8:13 that whole experience with the broken buckle had me s-w-e-a-t-i-n-g
That was so cool, love the sound, like two printing presses getting it on. I can see why jiu-jitsu was so important to the samurai. Battles would have been marathon events not for sprinters.
This sport is very cool to watch and certainly is similar to medieval tournaments, but in a more lethal contex, people this heavily armored would not do what they were doing; they would either be hit with something heavy( like a polaxe, that long axe he gave you or a warhammer or a mace) or wrestle and stab into the gaps in the armor. It would be fun to see you try HEMA.
there’s also a fair argument to be made that you wouldn’t fight with visor down, since it destroys your breathing and vision/hearing.
visors like the hounskull even have pins that can be easily removed to remove the visor entirely, supporting this possibility.
@@oscaranderson5719 Someone swings a warhamer at you and you want to go open face ?? Good knowing you .
What they did was fight in ranks , so that they could get some rest by switching the ranks . Also .. training almost every day of your life in armor helps a lot with stamina and getting used to the lack of o2 for longer. The difference in training just a month with armor on vs not is incredible ( 80% more up time ).
@@florinsimigiu6109 dude a thin bit of metal isn’t going to do anything to stop a warhammer to the face, that’s an argument _against_ faceplates.
check out Scholagladiatora’s video on open-face helmets. he literally goes over the tournament setting vs. real combat.
@@oscaranderson5719 I have no HEMA experience , nor did i ever wore a full suit of armor . That being said i did a lot of outdoor work and play fight with my friends as a kid. Geting a glancing blow from a hammer ( that was just falling from 1-1.5 m away ) , or being hit with (the mighty ) a stick in a play fight makes you realize why they wore plate armor. Not to mention i got a tooth nicked just by walking behind someone taking a pool shot . So while it may not stop a perfect blow , it sure as hell helps with all other hits.
@@florinsimigiu6109 it does, but the fact is face protection has existed since antiquity and yet open-face helmets have stuck around up to present-day. the benefits of vision and breathing are just too much to write off.
also just watch the dang video. (I tried linking it but youtube didn’t like it :P)
These people have the best chance to catch my interest rn.
This was awesome to watch