EPA can go violate themselves. They don't rate the trucks but they regulate the ever loving shit out of them. Without them these trucks would be pulling more and doing it at 15 MPG (edit: and more reliably).
@@kappajohns5416 not necessarily. If it already has extra power, it won't work the engine as hard and consume as much fuel as it would if it was smaller and running harder.
@Mike Sienicki Boomers, the spoiled generation following WWII, paved the way to our nation becoming lazier and fixated on money and entertainment. That generation started a trend of entitlement that has followed each subsequent generation. It's not entirely their fault, their parents didnt want them to endure hardships like the Great Depression and WWII, so they didn't experience the hardships that make people strong. But to simply call millennials lazy and blame them for everything is foolish. Sure, some are mush brained meatbags, but that's a minority of the generation. The Boomers were called that by their parents and grandparents, as men grew their hair to long lengths, women dressed started to dress how they wanted and express sexuality, kids were experimenting with all sorts of drugs, and were starting to discount the idea of God. It's just blatantly ignorant to blame the downfall of America on a single generation when older generations still typically hold the power and wealth, that historically, every generation has had its problems, but the notions of hard work have been passed down through many families. Youre projecting blame onto groups of people that are only part of the problem. You yourself are mush brained if you truly believe that immigrants (I have several immigrant friends and they work harder and are more honest than most of my American ones) and millennials have ruined this country. Foolish
What's sad is alot of people here in my city dont even have hitches on their truck of course no tool box and you'll see these nancy boys wearing a suit driving it.... it's pretty sad who the majority of new truck owners are, that's also why they started putting speakers in a bed and a sun roof on a truck, so many useless things that Jack the price up. They haven't made a normal truck since 2010. And also they started manufacturing 4ft beds more than they used too for that reason, hardly anyone getting a truck now actually uses it for work, the next 1 I have to buy I cant even get a manual and I'm paying for a bunch of wuss features a truck should never have. Thanks to all you sissies that think they're cool cause they drive a truck.
@@TFLtruck TFL should get an award form the Colorado tourism board. The amount of foreigners who have come to Colorado just to drive the infamous Ike gauntlet is staggering. It's on my todo list for my next visit stateside.
My 2019 Kenworth T680 has a lifetime MPG (for 143,000 miles) of 8.05. I usually get about 200 mpg for DEF. With ONLY 30,000 lbs behind me I get over 9 MPG. My truck has a 15 liter Cummins X15 (400 HP/1750 LB FT TORQUE) with a 12 speed automated manual transmission. I know, apples to water melons.
Well, considering the cubic inch difference in the X15 15 L vs. a 6.7 L, your X15 gets better mileage per liter of displacement in a big way. They are putting those Cummins 6.7 in motor homes these days, I wonder how they are doing on grades, going up and going down.
@Nigel Braithwaite and the worst part is when you lift a diesel truck you reduce your tow rating. You rely on a drop hitch. Might as well drive a car then
@@Predator27007 lol as someone who's younger brother and dad drive semis, I don't need to have an obsession with trucks , but I do need to haul/tow the absurd amount of tools I use to work on said diesels. I'm assuming you were talking about short bed, lifted trucks with coaling tunes.
Chuck Beef ..... yes. Frame rear of cab has more metal, and so on. Bigger brakes is a plus. The turn radius is the best! Everyone has their priorities, me, I chose the turn radius and brakes vs payload
@@ChuckBeefOG Yes, the gross weight is higher in the F450 and that eats into cargo and 5th wheel/gooseneck ratings. That is also why gas F 350's have higher cargo ratings than a 450.
@@rh-et2vv Indeed! That is why I'm also considering a 450 as a base for a truck camper. My struggle is that the F450 is not available in a Supercab. I don't want a crew and not sure a regular cab would work. A F450 regular cab is what I might end up with just because it would be so maneuverable.
Awesome video! TFL is becoming one of the favorite parts of my weekend. I really liked that you guys measured DEF usage in this video. I’m looking forward to seeing more 7.3l and Trail Boss videos as well.
Another thing though is the ford ran at night with less turbulent air off of the highway and not only that the air is a lot more cold at night which makes the engine run a little better
Ford has come a long way in the diesel market ever since they started building their own engine. Ford is the only truck manufacturer that builds their own engine and transmission and they’re out performing the competition. Good job Ford
I love how competitive the market is. It benifets the consumer very well! 10 years ago, these trucks were doing about half of what these trucks can do where 10 years before that, it wasn't that big of a difference. Keep it you guys!
@@justinw.2376 Yep. And you still see the old trucks actually working. Rarely, do I see a brand new rig working, extremely rarely. Why would I dish out 80-100k for a truck, not even a Class 4 truck at that mind you, when the 20 year old cummings does it just fine?
@@justinw.2376 That's not true. If you compare similar configurations, prices are virtually unchanged. It's hard to compare, because specs and standard features have been changed, but here's the best examples I could come up with. In 2010 an F-350 4x4 Supercrew Dually XLT PSD was around $50,000 before options. Adjusted for inflation, that's around $58,000-$59,000 today. Well, a comparable new XLT 4x4 Supercrew Dually, according to Ford, is $59,275 before options. That's right around the same price for basically 2x the capability. Honestly, given the modern version at a at marginally higher price, I'd still take the new one! The old 6.4L PSD was junk. The mileage and reliability savings with the newer 6.7L would easily pay itself back in a short amount of time for me.
@@IVAO04ify And where is this? I see countless numbers of brand spankin' new trucks being worked every single morning of the work week. I have two parked in my drive way, ready for Monday. You think mainly lawyers and doctors buy these trucks?
@@chaosseat That's the first thing I thought as soon as they said it. Improper distribution will shake you and give you some white knuckles on the back roads.
To me it looked like the excavator was a little too far forward. I have been using gooseneck trailers now for a little over 20 years. They really don't seem to like a lot of tongue weight. But if these guys actually scaled the load it could be that was the correct placement. In my opinion this is why I wouldn't buy this particular set up. A full size truck would ride much better than that.
Thanks guys- nice review. I purchased my 2020 GMC Sierra 2500 HD Diesel last March based on your reviews! It has been a great truck so far. My family and I traveled across the USA last summer pulling a 2020 Airstream Flying Cloud, 25Ft. The truck pulled the AS through the mountains as if there was nothing behind us!
Scott Yes I have always owned Ford's. My first 79. Then a 2000 with the 10 cylinder. When new on Freeway trip across state it got 15 MPG Now driving around town it's like 8 or 9MPG. I do LOVE the look of the NEW GMC Trucks. I would switch brands. The Allison Tranny is so well built. It's proven itself in Garbage Truck usage. The GMC is the Cadillac Ride for Trucks. You have a great comfort Ride for what you do.
Chevy and for both use the same 10 speed. which truck road smoother.. and why wasn't the Ram in this series? I'm not a Ram Fan boy I'm just starting to look at them and this would have helped me make some decisions.
I thank y’all for all you do. I have been watching your channel for some time and you do the best review of vehicle by far. Thank you and keep up the great work for us.
You would take a lot of that bucking away if you moved the excavator ahead but then you may exceed your gvwr. I have this identical setup basically and I decided to buy a 550 and it’s 19,500 gvwr. Handles the load great.
My uncle hauls big hay bales with his gooseneck 5th wheel, and his 2006 F-350 King Ranch DRW with the 6.0 (bulletproofed) and the weights always around 33k. One time his co worker overloaded him, and my uncle went to the scales and it came out to 42k.
@@overboostedgarage8744 if someone accidently puts DEF into the fuel tank and runs the engine, it will damage the fuel system to the point of needing complete replacement.
Interesting results. Couple of notes/questions: 1.) 64.9 miles divided by 8.442 is 7.4688 miles per gallon. 2.) Appears to be conducted at different times of day/outdoor temps, impact on results?
I immediatly wondered about the time of day! I had a little 1988 Toyota gas turbo and I could difinitly tell the difference in cooler or hotter air temps. The more dense cool air that turbo can squish and shove into that engine the more power it make-ith. Would like to have seen the drag race loaded too, but still probably more interested in MPG and RELIABILITY and dealership or company care when rapairs are necessary. Any advice, I'm lookin to buy in the next 2 months and can't decide? Probably 2-4 years old. Not loyal to any brand but, kinda leanin towards the Chev/ GMC overall. Still enjoyed the vid.
I have hauled with ford, Chevy and Dodge. I will always prefer a Ford or Chevy. However from experience Ford is always good for that boost of power to accelerate when needed at full payload. Excellent video.
Excellent test! The Duramax has a larger bore but shorter stroke than Ford's engine. Perhaps the longer stroke was able to eek out better fuel mileage at the ~1600 RPM range that both engines appeared to be running. Last I saw, the Ford's peak torque was at a lower RPM than Chevy.
Also when you haul a 308 spin it around and get the weight towards the truck it will help with the ride alot. Plus you can curl the boom more and lower your overall height
All the people saying that excavator is loaded too far forward need to remember where all the weight on an excavator is at. The engine and big ass counter weight is on the rear of the machine.
The harsh ride is just due to the nature of the trailer. Even with the torque tubes, flatbed trailers tend to ride harsh due to the deck being stiff, but when it does flex it travels through
To accurately test the def consumption, you may consider having both trucks do a regeneration prior to fueling. My thought is if one has recently run its regeneration and the other has not could sway def test. Not a gripe jUst a thought. Great job of being as unbiased as possible.
I drive oilfield hotshot for a living, like everything about the Fords, but wish they had the GM independent front suspension. The GM’s ride & track so well. Staight axles are prone to Death Wobble issues.
Would love a new truck but prices are outrageous. I bought a dozer and towed it, 24k from WV across Ohio in my 96 7.3, zf5 with 400k on it, three weeks ago. Got 12.9 MPG. Guess I'll stick with what I got.
Yep, we get better mileage from out 01 than our 14 duramax and we don't have to deal with DEF and post bailout GM problems quarterly. The only downside is the 6 speed is nice for highway and the exhaust brakes on the new trucks are a game changer.
Like the video. When your hauling heavy like that and it's bucking move the weight a little more over the axles of the truck it will help with the bucking. As long as it's not too far forward. Also the way you had the load chained down is illegal. You can use one chain but it can't be pulling against itself. It has to have enough slack between mounting points and not pulling against itself to be considered "two separate chains". Other than that its was a good video. Waiting to see a comparison between the Ram vs Ford
The Ike Gauntlet test already showed the Ford is quite a bit more efficient. Yes, the MPG number was identical in that test but remember it got the same work done quite a bit faster. That is the definition of efficiency.
Awesome review guys! I would love to see a real towing cost of use between 7.3 gas vs 6.7 diesel in the same F series model. Set up trailer for maximum towing weight in the 7.3 and use that same towing weight in the 6.7. Compare the mpg between the two along with cost of fuels, def, and if possible the cost of oil changes to compare the real world towing cost. With that info if you want to calculate the additional cost of the diesel engine vs gas and how many miles it would take to break even that would be cool too. Thanks TFL!
Good review. The fuel mileage difference may be due to the Ford having free turning from hubs (lock/unlock hubs) and the GMC having always locked from hubs. The extra drag by the front axles could cause the mileage difference.
Great video well done. Can't wait to see what the NEW F- 600 Ford is like that's coming out Use to drive one in the 70. Had a 5 speed plus that fun grinding 2 speed rear end.
The trucks are riding rough because the Cat is not loaded center of trailer. You have to measure the center of the trailer tandems to your hitch in the bed of your truck to find where to center the load. All the weight was directly on the trailer axles instead of being spread among all the axles.
I am a trucker and I make my living driving the big rigs. One thing I have learned is in the evening my truck does better in cooler air temperatures. I think the Ford did a great job and also the gmc but the trucks should have been tested at the same time of day. The gmc had to work a lot harder I think. Hotter temperatures make a difference.
But it looks like it winter with snow on the ground so not that much of air temp difference maybe 10-15 degrees but I do agree with you they do run in cooler temp
@@Hugo-py2ce what the hell no the GMC looks super bloated the Ford has proper proportions all of GM's recent designs have been trash there Camaro was so bad they had to redesigned before they were even hitting dealerships lol. What's better about the GMC?
@Hvac 2001 The current generation of GM trucks look like a step backwards compared to their previous counterparts. They look bloated and over complicated to me. That’s just my opinion though.
Stupid squareish wheel wells! Also never thought GM's tow mirrors could get uglier, then this happened!🤮 Looks like a bad copy of a Ford. And the Silverado was just born with Benjamin Button disease!
Single digit MPG might sound low but think about this: 30,000 lb trailer + 9,000 lb truck = 39,000 lbs. A new Prius is about 3,100 lbs and gets 53 MPG on the highway. The weight of the truck and trailer is about 12.5 Prii. 12.5 Prii combined would get about 4.25 MPG (53 Miles per 12.5 Gallons or 53/12.5). This shows just how efficient these trucks are at moving that much weight. Of course this doesn't take into account aerodynamic differences, rolling resistance, etc but it does help put things into perspective.
So y'all know gm has more recalls than Ford ever has is isn't as likely to break down, then GMC is just junk, and If y'all also think the durmax is good it isn't, it's Japanese it's not even American
Wheel bearing Well I doubt it will be the Chevy. If both trucks are used for heavy towing you’ll have to rebuild the Chevys independent front suspension 3 times...
A Bluetooth OBD2 scanner and phone app , or OBD2 dashboard will let u see gears. Tfl would gain a lot by investing in a bt scan tool and torque pro app. Works on all these trucks.
A 15% difference in fuel economy is quite surprising, but I think the test loop was too short to be conclusive. Did either truck go into regeneration during the loop?
They didn't do the test trip for the ford until it was much colder ! Everyone knows that for every 5deg in temperature drop you gain about 17% in efficiency! Witch declines dramatically after about 20%maximum gain. This was definitely not a scientific test or they would have done the test at the same time of day with equal temperatures
There are so many variables when it comes to fuel mileage. Wind, humidity, air density, and air temperature just to name a few. I'd call it a draw on the fuel mileage.
Mercedes doesn't make a dually. They do make a 6x6. I would have that over any Ford truck. But it's still not the same class of truck though. As for working on my car, yes I do. I don't trust anyone working on any of my cars/trucks. I use to have an Ford Lightning. I did all the work to it. The only thing it went to the stealership for was the recall on the brake master cylinder. I tried to talk them into giving me the inline fuse & I would install it myself but they wouldn't. I also have a Explorer Limited & a Fiero GT with a motor swap that I do all the work & maintenance on. My CL55 AMG is a very reliable car. No major issues with it. Ford does make some new stuff that isn't bad. If I had to buy a dually for some crazy reason I would buy a Ford. But all Chevy's cars & trucks since the late 90's to early 2000's have all been just crap. It started right before they became government motors. Always quality & design issues with them. They never admit they got it wrong too. They try to hide their mistakes like the ignition switches when they got the manufacturer to make a new improved switch but use the same part number as the old defective one so they wouldn't be blamed for the deaths of all those people. That's just dirty! All of the Government Motor products suck. Also personally I do not think any new car or truck are worth the money. They are waaaayyyy over priced.
Andre When you talk about HP and torque like they are different or not linked directly to one another remember this. HP is derived from torque, the only thing HP means is how fast the work is getting done and Torque is how much work is getting done. You can't have one without the other. If an engine makes 1000 ftlbs of torque at 1500RPM and it also made 500ftlbs at 3000rpm the HP will be identical at both of those engine speeds. This is because the torque was cut in half but we doubled the engine speed or RPM. Imagine two guys shoveling snow out of their driveway, one guy is using a 24"wide shovel or 1000ftlbs and the other is using a 12" wide shovel 500ftlbs. The 24" shovel will take half the time at the same speed or RPM when compared to the 12" wide shovel. But if we can shovel twice as fast with a 12" shovel, aka Double our engine RPM we can make the same HP or shovel the same amount of snow in the same amount of time. That is HP! Same amount of snow shoveled but two different torque amounts and two different RPM. The equation for HP is this (RPM * Torque) / 5252=HP The next thing you need to learn is how engines are air pumps and the amount of air we can get in one determines the amount of torque it can produce.
Appreciate the videos! Keep them coming! Good video! Good comparison. The Ford has 3.55 gears, and the GMC has 3.42 gears right? Both trucks are very nice. I really like that trailer as well.
usually that bounce you're getting is because of to much weight on the front axle of the trailer that is transfering the load to the hitch. Would be nice to have seen you guys adjust load as I think it was off and causing that bounce....speaking from past experience.
Incredible tow capacity. My 1983 Chevy C-10 with original 305 engine and 3 speed automatic hauls 2000lbs of roofing tear off down the road at 60 mph. Steering gets a bit squirrely above 70mph, but I slide by.
Ford's performance is impressive, but is their a difference in reliability? As an anecdotal observation 80% of all the Diesel Tow trucks where I live are GMC/Chevrolet's. It's like how almost all the Taxi's here are Toyota Camry's. Just wondering if there is any reason for the Heavy GM representation. I am considering a 2500 HD and Ford's current offerings appear superior, performance wise, in both the Diesel and Gas versions. But this casual observation of Tow trucks in the area has me thinking.
@@heavymetalworks6375 yea maybe this is why ford said to hell with outside sources design and built the best motors and transmission in any consumer truck
Chad Perry I heard the same thing. It's why I always bought the mopar Def for my Cummins (15 a gallon) and ppl gave me shit for it. However, I never had a problem with my DEF system.
I would think there is a monitor from a company like Banks that plugs into the OBD2 that would show what gear the trans is in. Great video as always guys! Truly my favorite automotive channel on RUclips.
It's gotta be rough as a Chevy engineer, always getting whooped by Ford. I bet it's because of the bean counters at GM constantly trying to cheap out on everything.
You cant say always getting beat. Pretty sure this is the first year Ford has won the Ike and the fuel efficiency test over GM in diesels. And no I'm not a GM fan boy, I have 2017 F250.
Lol. Talk about fake news, without even looking I can think of many comparisons where G.M. wins a TFL shootout like the half ton diesel just off top of my head.
Love your shows. Some fun facts. In Sweden we are not allowed to drive faster then 80km/h aprox 50mph with trailer attached. On most of our motorways we have 110km/h aprox 66mph speedlimit without trailer. So 70mph with that trailer and load behind sounds alot.
Yeah, a lot of places throughout the US you can drive 75 to 85 Mph with a heavy trailer like that. Semi trucks also can go this fast unless otherwise posted.
With the high number of dipshits driving these trucks with the monster trailers behind them without a proper license and training, the US needs those rules as well. It’s insane the US continues to allow this. Almost as bad as people pulling 30ft bumper pull trailers with a 1/2 ton truck.
@@sakostwwy1903 Statistically truck drivers are involved if far fewer crashes than automobiles though. It's the automobile drivers who really need the training.
Scootaloo I wasn’t talking big rig drivers. I was talking these city slickers with lots of money that buy the trucks that are in this video. Never taken any kind of class or certification. Go buy a 100k trailer weighing 25k pounds loaded because they can. Then they head out at 80mph posing huge risk to others. Then people wonder why their insurance rates are so high.
We live in a world where stock 1 Ton trucks hit 60 in 7 seconds. Life is good
1 ton ? you mean 3 tons right?
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@@devincrenshaw3802 yeah well start from 2.5
2 ton trucks getting there in 5.5 🤯😲
..and get decent milage..lol
"EPA doesn't rate these trucks, TFL Does!"
EPA can go violate themselves. They don't rate the trucks but they regulate the ever loving shit out of them. Without them these trucks would be pulling more and doing it at 15 MPG (edit: and more reliably).
@@SergePupko they'd also have more power, which would make them more efficient, which would emit less emissions.
Kyle Kenan especially with a proper tune!
@@kylekenan2321 I don't think thats right, if it makes more power, it emits more emissions.
@@kappajohns5416 not necessarily. If it already has extra power, it won't work the engine as hard and consume as much fuel as it would if it was smaller and running harder.
"Why drag race dualies?"
BECAUSE AMERICA
its spelled 'Merica
Because its America we drag race everything. 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
@@Olds_Pwr the United States didnt become the superpower it is today from laziness.
@Mike Sienicki Boomers, the spoiled generation following WWII, paved the way to our nation becoming lazier and fixated on money and entertainment. That generation started a trend of entitlement that has followed each subsequent generation. It's not entirely their fault, their parents didnt want them to endure hardships like the Great Depression and WWII, so they didn't experience the hardships that make people strong.
But to simply call millennials lazy and blame them for everything is foolish. Sure, some are mush brained meatbags, but that's a minority of the generation. The Boomers were called that by their parents and grandparents, as men grew their hair to long lengths, women dressed started to dress how they wanted and express sexuality, kids were experimenting with all sorts of drugs, and were starting to discount the idea of God. It's just blatantly ignorant to blame the downfall of America on a single generation when older generations still typically hold the power and wealth, that historically, every generation has had its problems, but the notions of hard work have been passed down through many families.
Youre projecting blame onto groups of people that are only part of the problem. You yourself are mush brained if you truly believe that immigrants (I have several immigrant friends and they work harder and are more honest than most of my American ones) and millennials have ruined this country. Foolish
Check out Cleetus McFarland's "Freedom Factory".
This was a very good review. Well done boys. I need neither of these trucks for my 11-mile commute to my desk job but I watched this nonetheless.
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Everyone has to go to home depot once a year...
What's sad is alot of people here in my city dont even have hitches on their truck of course no tool box and you'll see these nancy boys wearing a suit driving it.... it's pretty sad who the majority of new truck owners are, that's also why they started putting speakers in a bed and a sun roof on a truck, so many useless things that Jack the price up. They haven't made a normal truck since 2010.
And also they started manufacturing 4ft beds more than they used too for that reason, hardly anyone getting a truck now actually uses it for work, the next 1 I have to buy I cant even get a manual and I'm paying for a bunch of wuss features a truck should never have. Thanks to all you sissies that think they're cool cause they drive a truck.
@kyle groth well dang ol yeehaw derrrr takin errrrr jobs
@@Ozziepapi ok
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Funny! Thank you for watching!
@@TFLtruck TFL should get an award form the Colorado tourism board. The amount of foreigners who have come to Colorado just to drive the infamous Ike gauntlet is staggering. It's on my todo list for my next visit stateside.
My 2019 Kenworth T680 has a lifetime MPG (for 143,000 miles) of 8.05. I usually get about 200 mpg for DEF. With ONLY 30,000 lbs behind me I get over 9 MPG. My truck has a 15 liter Cummins X15 (400 HP/1750 LB FT TORQUE) with a 12 speed automated manual transmission.
I know, apples to water melons.
Well, considering the cubic inch difference in the X15 15 L vs. a 6.7 L, your X15 gets better mileage per liter of displacement in a big way. They are putting those Cummins 6.7 in motor homes these days, I wonder how they are doing on grades, going up and going down.
So why this obsession with mega pickups? Frustrated boys, wishing they were big truck drivers?
@Nigel Braithwaite and the worst part is when you lift a diesel truck you reduce your tow rating. You rely on a drop hitch. Might as well drive a car then
My Cummins 600hp Kenworth almost gets that if I drive it!!
@@Predator27007 lol as someone who's younger brother and dad drive semis, I don't need to have an obsession with trucks , but I do need to haul/tow the absurd amount of tools I use to work on said diesels.
I'm assuming you were talking about short bed, lifted trucks with coaling tunes.
I honestly think I'd rather step up to the F450 just to get the tighter turning radius.
True, but you lose cargo capacity and towing capacity (5th wheel and gooseneck) compared to the F-350.
James Velvet Really, why? Does it share the chassis with the 350 so all the stronger components just penalize it in weight?
Chuck Beef ..... yes. Frame rear of cab has more metal, and so on. Bigger brakes is a plus. The turn radius is the best! Everyone has their priorities, me, I chose the turn radius and brakes vs payload
@@ChuckBeefOG Yes, the gross weight is higher in the F450 and that eats into cargo and 5th wheel/gooseneck ratings. That is also why gas F 350's have higher cargo ratings than a 450.
@@rh-et2vv Indeed! That is why I'm also considering a 450 as a base for a truck camper. My struggle is that the F450 is not available in a Supercab. I don't want a crew and not sure a regular cab would work. A F450 regular cab is what I might end up with just because it would be so maneuverable.
What I thought was missing was a 0-60 time with the loaded trailers. Be interesting to see how long it takes to get it up to highway speed
at that weight, it's pull the trailer apart. to much power 😁
I’m so glad I own a diesel that doesn’t use def!
Def isn't the issue, it's the DPF and EGR!
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk One less thing he needs to pay for. I agree with the OP.
Neo Smith yea, I'll give you that.
Lb7 still pulling
Agreed I got my lml deleted. To h3LL with the DEF
Awesome video! TFL is becoming one of the favorite parts of my weekend. I really liked that you guys measured DEF usage in this video. I’m looking forward to seeing more 7.3l and Trail Boss videos as well.
Always love getting a TFL notification when an F Series is involved. Ford POWER! Thanks guys from Australia
Man.... where i live in North TX you can still buy a pretty decent house for 80K
Yep. In Ohio or Indiana you can get two of them for that much.
@J Medrano Leave it to an idiot to state the obvious. Here I thought the least expensive homes were in only the most desirable areas.
Cyumadbro summit it aint as bad if you live about 30 minutes from a major city like Cincinnati or Columbus
Getting to expensive ,I'm in Dallas 80,000 is a 2 room 900sq fixerupper . Taxes are skyhigh
Where I live in California that’s a months rent
I got shut down at dot scale for 68000 lbs with my ford. Hauled it every day before that for two years. No biggie. FORD
GMC:
Computer - 7.2 MPG
Calculated - 6.9 MPG
DEF - 185 MPG
F350:
Computer - 7.2 MPG
Calculated - 7.8 MPG
DEF - 169 MPG
GARBAGE.
@@wonaldgrump9654 I don't think it's that bad for hauling that much. For either truck.
Another thing though is the ford ran at night with less turbulent air off of the highway and not only that the air is a lot more cold at night which makes the engine run a little better
Xzvius that’s while hauling ? That’s not bad
@@gamewarmaster it wasnt 100f summer temps during the day....prob about 40f during the day with the snow i saw still hanging around
Congratulations Andre on your permit.You can do it!I have had mine for 24yrs. now.
Ive had mine mor 12 years but im only 30.
You wouldnt catch me pulling 30,000lbs with a pick up truck, maybe in the prairies.
Man that ford is a monster
the gmc is tuned for fuel economy unfortunately lol
@@hugeCRSfan69 it was? It didn't get that trophy either lol
@@hugeCRSfan69 no the ford is just faster because it's more powerful, you chevy guys got some excuses I tell you
These trucks are damn near identical in performance and all you got out of this was "bUiLt FoRd ToUgH." 🤣
@@zach4321 Ford has much more power and much more torque...
You have to load it right to get that shaking out
Where would you want the load? It looked like they had it just forward of the axles. Maybe dead center?
Looked alittle too far forward to me with alot of sag/wip in the middle but I'm no expert.
James Vokral over the trailer axles, it needed to come back some
Excavator wasnt up far enough on the tongue
@@jamesvokral8247 weight should be on the trailer axles
I probably will never buy a heavy duty truck like this but I enjoy and appreciate the work you guys do to review them.
Ford has come a long way in the diesel market ever since they started building their own engine. Ford is the only truck manufacturer that builds their own engine and transmission and they’re out performing the competition. Good job Ford
If i was in the market for a new heavy duty truck no doubt ill buy a Ford
GM builds their own engines also, their partnership with Isuzu ended a while back. They did own Allison back in the day, idk if they still do though.
@@BlackHawkBallistic The Duramax is an Isuzu engine and Allison transmission is owned by Allison GM does not build the power train in their HD truck
@@BlackHawkBallistic still an Isuzu
@@jasonamerica7618 thats right
I love how competitive the market is. It benifets the consumer very well! 10 years ago, these trucks were doing about half of what these trucks can do where 10 years before that, it wasn't that big of a difference. Keep it you guys!
Nathan Salyers they were also half the price
@@justinw.2376 Yep. And you still see the old trucks actually working. Rarely, do I see a brand new rig working, extremely rarely. Why would I dish out 80-100k for a truck, not even a Class 4 truck at that mind you, when the 20 year old cummings does it just fine?
IVAO04ify more line any old truck does it just fine. Not even just cummins
@@justinw.2376 That's not true. If you compare similar configurations, prices are virtually unchanged.
It's hard to compare, because specs and standard features have been changed, but here's the best examples I could come up with.
In 2010 an F-350 4x4 Supercrew Dually XLT PSD was around $50,000 before options. Adjusted for inflation, that's around $58,000-$59,000 today. Well, a comparable new XLT 4x4 Supercrew Dually, according to Ford, is $59,275 before options. That's right around the same price for basically 2x the capability. Honestly, given the modern version at a at marginally higher price, I'd still take the new one! The old 6.4L PSD was junk. The mileage and reliability savings with the newer 6.7L would easily pay itself back in a short amount of time for me.
@@IVAO04ify And where is this? I see countless numbers of brand spankin' new trucks being worked every single morning of the work week. I have two parked in my drive way, ready for Monday. You think mainly lawyers and doctors buy these trucks?
You need to do a drag race loaded
I suspect the Ford would win by an even larger gap in a loaded drag race given its torque advantage.
@@nathanmcdonald610 thanks, hopefully if we comment and like enough TFL will oblige us.
Agreed!
EXACTLY!!!!
This is the whole reason I watched the video! What a let down!
5:08 noticed how the trailer is flopping up and down ,I think the trailer has the bouncing problem not the truck.
Yep 👍, they didn’t load it right. The weight is supposed to be over both axels...lol
@@chaosseat That's the first thing I thought as soon as they said it. Improper distribution will shake you and give you some white knuckles on the back roads.
I noticed the same thing. Tail of trailer was jumping all around.
To me it looked like the excavator was a little too far forward. I have been using gooseneck trailers now for a little over 20 years. They really don't seem to like a lot of tongue weight. But if these guys actually scaled the load it could be that was the correct placement.
In my opinion this is why I wouldn't buy this particular set up. A full size truck would ride much better than that.
@@texgarcia1958 I can't help but laugh when people say excavator. In my mind I'm saying trackhoe. I guess Andre is keeping it PC😅😅
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The Ford is clearly the better truck in these tests. A 1mog difference is massive with 30k pounds!
Thanks for the video, it took a lot of time to film all of this . Really like both trucks.
Thanks guys- nice review. I purchased my 2020 GMC Sierra 2500 HD Diesel last March based on your reviews! It has been a great truck so far. My family and I traveled across the USA last summer pulling a 2020 Airstream Flying Cloud, 25Ft. The truck pulled the AS through the mountains as if there was nothing behind us!
Scott Yes I have always owned Ford's. My first 79. Then a 2000 with the 10 cylinder. When new on Freeway trip across state it got 15 MPG
Now driving around town it's like 8 or 9MPG. I do LOVE the look of the NEW GMC Trucks. I would switch brands. The Allison Tranny is so well built. It's proven itself in Garbage Truck usage. The GMC is the Cadillac Ride for Trucks. You have a great comfort Ride for what you do.
Was not expecting 7.8 at all. That could make a huge difference for a hot shotter, great real world test guys!
Chevy and for both use the same 10 speed. which truck road smoother.. and why wasn't the Ram in this series? I'm not a Ram Fan boy I'm just starting to look at them and this would have helped me make some decisions.
these trucks have come so far, at work we’ve got an 02 F-450 7.3L and it struggles to haul around a John Deere 35G
Dont let an ol timer with a 7.3 here that lol nothing pulls better than those haha
So the ford is faster, more powerful. And more fuel efficient? Not surprised !
And mor gayest
@@ezurmndsomeone was mad
But is it more reliable? No
Doesn’t tow the best nor reliable
TFL you guys are the best truck review channel PERIOD. 👏👏
I thank y’all for all you do. I have been watching your channel for some time and you do the best review of vehicle by far. Thank you and keep up the great work for us.
You would take a lot of that bucking away if you moved the excavator ahead but then you may exceed your gvwr. I have this identical setup basically and I decided to buy a 550 and it’s 19,500 gvwr. Handles the load great.
My uncle hauls big hay bales with his gooseneck 5th wheel, and his 2006 F-350 King Ranch DRW with the 6.0 (bulletproofed) and the weights always around 33k. One time his co worker overloaded him, and my uncle went to the scales and it came out to 42k.
Drag race dually trucks??!! Absolutely!!!⭐⭐🏁🏁
I definitely consider drag racing important, so great job!
Please do yourself a favor ,put the fuel cap on before you pickup the DEF nozzle.It could be a 10k dollar mistake.
DeepDeep South huh
@@overboostedgarage8744 if someone accidently puts DEF into the fuel tank and runs the engine, it will damage the fuel system to the point of needing complete replacement.
DeepDeep South s
I've done it. With hotel stay in a small town during the repair , the damage was more than that
I’m surprised those nozzles are the same size to avoid that exact thing from happening? Good point.
Interesting results. Couple of notes/questions: 1.) 64.9 miles divided by 8.442 is 7.4688 miles per gallon. 2.) Appears to be conducted at different times of day/outdoor temps, impact on results?
I think the colder pavement makes a difference too
I immediatly wondered about the time of day! I had a little 1988 Toyota gas turbo and I could difinitly tell the difference in cooler or hotter air temps. The more dense cool air that turbo can squish and shove into that engine the more power it make-ith. Would like to have seen the drag race loaded too, but still probably more interested in MPG and RELIABILITY and dealership or company care when rapairs are necessary. Any advice, I'm lookin to buy in the next 2 months and can't decide? Probably 2-4 years old. Not loyal to any brand but, kinda leanin towards the Chev/ GMC overall. Still enjoyed the vid.
I have hauled with ford, Chevy and Dodge. I will always prefer a Ford or Chevy. However from experience Ford is always good for that boost of power to accelerate when needed at full payload. Excellent video.
Andre is a legend on the start, if you see him at the light just let him go because your going to lose
Excellent test! The Duramax has a larger bore but shorter stroke than Ford's engine. Perhaps the longer stroke was able to eek out better fuel mileage at the ~1600 RPM range that both engines appeared to be running. Last I saw, the Ford's peak torque was at a lower RPM than Chevy.
So the take away is the Ford is better. Who would have thought. ;) (Me)
W W Get ready for these butthurt GM fans😂😂
I watched this video to help be the tie breaker, i ended up ordering a 2022 F350 Lariat due in part to this review, thanks guys!
Also when you haul a 308 spin it around and get the weight towards the truck it will help with the ride alot. Plus you can curl the boom more and lower your overall height
All the people saying that excavator is loaded too far forward need to remember where all the weight on an excavator is at. The engine and big ass counter weight is on the rear of the machine.
Yeah it was too far up that's explains mose of the truck roughness as far as bouncing.
They would have scaled the truck and trailer. They would know the axle weight/tongue weight of the trailer. It's not overloaded or too far forward.
The harsh ride is just due to the nature of the trailer. Even with the torque tubes, flatbed trailers tend to ride harsh due to the deck being stiff, but when it does flex it travels through
Usually you load them backwards.... I run lowboy and that's what we do.
The pivot point on that trailer is between the 2 axles the weight is all in front of that.
To accurately test the def consumption, you may consider having both trucks do a regeneration prior to fueling. My thought is if one has recently run its regeneration and the other has not could sway def test. Not a gripe jUst a thought. Great job of being as unbiased as possible.
Thanks for all the time and effort you guys put into your real world reviews. Will you also do an empty MPG loop of the Ford, GM, and Ram dually's.
I drive oilfield hotshot for a living, like everything about the Fords, but wish they had the GM independent front suspension. The GM’s ride & track so well. Staight axles are prone to Death Wobble issues.
Would love a new truck but prices are outrageous. I bought a dozer and towed it, 24k from WV across Ohio in my 96 7.3, zf5 with 400k on it, three weeks ago. Got 12.9 MPG. Guess I'll stick with what I got.
Absolutely, they’re simply asinine. Especially for a truck that’ll probably blow a head gasket inside 100,000mi
Yep, we get better mileage from out 01 than our 14 duramax and we don't have to deal with DEF and post bailout GM problems quarterly. The only downside is the 6 speed is nice for highway and the exhaust brakes on the new trucks are a game changer.
Like the video. When your hauling heavy like that and it's bucking move the weight a little more over the axles of the truck it will help with the bucking. As long as it's not too far forward. Also the way you had the load chained down is illegal. You can use one chain but it can't be pulling against itself. It has to have enough slack between mounting points and not pulling against itself to be considered "two separate chains". Other than that its was a good video. Waiting to see a comparison between the Ram vs Ford
Awesome video guys!
Wish I knew what truck pulled better with less jitter, and what was causing it too.
Keep them coming guys.
I wouldn’t be surprised that it’s coming
from the trailer and not the trucks
@@mwjnc Agree. I also wonder if it’s load placement. Having the load too far forward would create a similar situation with jerky movement.
The Ike Gauntlet test already showed the Ford is quite a bit more efficient. Yes, the MPG number was identical in that test but remember it got the same work done quite a bit faster. That is the definition of efficiency.
This is the longest ford commercial I ever watched in my life.
Just wait till that F-350 catches fire on the side of the road at 87k.
Salty gm guys incoming
Your jealous panties are showing.
Had to change the like button, fair comparison...now let's talk longevity, Ford's got this.
Awesome review guys! I would love to see a real towing cost of use between 7.3 gas vs 6.7 diesel in the same F series model. Set up trailer for maximum towing weight in the 7.3 and use that same towing weight in the 6.7. Compare the mpg between the two along with cost of fuels, def, and if possible the cost of oil changes to compare the real world towing cost. With that info if you want to calculate the additional cost of the diesel engine vs gas and how many miles it would take to break even that would be cool too. Thanks TFL!
Most videos will show the diesel uses less fuel but they never compare the actual cost of gas being cheaper.
All you need is the mpg comparison. The rest is simple math you can do yourself.
Nobody wants to see little ford trucks towing
Jamie Webb most HD trucks w/ big V8’s require premium fuel. Meaning the gas is not cheaper
@@josephcreed7 aww did ford hurt you're feelings
Ford is on top
On top of the list of the mechanic shop to get fixed before 100k miles 😂
Good review. The fuel mileage difference may be due to the Ford having free turning from hubs (lock/unlock hubs) and the GMC having always locked from hubs. The extra drag by the front axles could cause the mileage difference.
Great video well done. Can't wait to see what the NEW F- 600 Ford is like that's coming out
Use to drive one in the 70. Had a 5 speed plus that fun grinding 2 speed rear end.
The trucks are riding rough because the Cat is not loaded center of trailer. You have to measure the center of the trailer tandems to your hitch in the bed of your truck to find where to center the load. All the weight was directly on the trailer axles instead of being spread among all the axles.
I am a trucker and I make my living driving the big rigs. One thing I have learned is in the evening my truck does better in cooler air temperatures. I think the Ford did a great job and also the gmc but the trucks should have been tested at the same time of day. The gmc had to work a lot harder I think. Hotter temperatures make a difference.
My thoughts also. Plus the wind tends to die down at night helping out mpg especially towing awkward loads.
@@nickgolden8674 agreed.
But it looks like it winter with snow on the ground so not that much of air temp difference maybe 10-15 degrees but I do agree with you they do run in cooler temp
That ford is beautiful 😍
Dude! That GMC looks 10 times better and I'm a ford fan!
@@Hugo-py2ce what the hell no the GMC looks super bloated the Ford has proper proportions all of GM's recent designs have been trash there Camaro was so bad they had to redesigned before they were even hitting dealerships lol. What's better about the GMC?
@@armandomorales3809 ford looks way better imo.
@Hvac 2001 The current generation of GM trucks look like a step backwards compared to their previous counterparts. They look bloated and over complicated to me. That’s just my opinion though.
Stupid squareish wheel wells! Also never thought GM's tow mirrors could get uglier, then this happened!🤮 Looks like a bad copy of a Ford. And the Silverado was just born with Benjamin Button disease!
Asleep at the wheel old man! Roman wake up!
TFL the only place where it aint a beauty contest we get numbers
Awesome show again...1 tip is to make sure no residue goes in Def tank.
thats a big difference. Good job Ford
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very helpful & informative test thanks guys I would be very interested in seeing the Ram 3500 vs the F350
Have you considered checking DPF levels and whether or not the trucks go into Regen during the test?
Good question. My 17 duramax can go about 5000 miles on a tank of DIF. My 18 cummins is about the same. Both are pulling trailers daily.
Single digit MPG might sound low but think about this: 30,000 lb trailer + 9,000 lb truck = 39,000 lbs. A new Prius is about 3,100 lbs and gets 53 MPG on the highway. The weight of the truck and trailer is about 12.5 Prii. 12.5 Prii combined would get about 4.25 MPG (53 Miles per 12.5 Gallons or 53/12.5). This shows just how efficient these trucks are at moving that much weight. Of course this doesn't take into account aerodynamic differences, rolling resistance, etc but it does help put things into perspective.
The drag race shows who is the best, Andre.
The Ford was obviously better at all the tests ... Go figure
Alexey Karlgut well when it breaks down a month later you can rethink your decision
Five years the GM is worth $15,000 more...know why that is?
@@limited9024 I'd rather a truck that breaks in a month then one that breaks in a few days
Alexey Karlgut nah chevys and gmc’s don’t break down nearly as much as rams and fords
So y'all know gm has more recalls than Ford ever has is isn't as likely to break down, then GMC is just junk, and If y'all also think the durmax is good it isn't, it's Japanese it's not even American
You want to do a video to help people, do one on fixing the emissions equipment after they fail.
I think everyone knew the Ford was the better truck...
@Wheel bearing definitely not a Chevy or fiat
Wheel bearing Well I doubt it will be the Chevy. If both trucks are used for heavy towing you’ll have to rebuild the Chevys independent front suspension 3 times...
Always has been, always will be.
@@DUNEATV my dad's chevy suspension sucks. Know he has a ford and the chevy is going to the junkyard
Always fun to watch Andre and Kent.
I am going to buy your truck book.
A Bluetooth OBD2 scanner and phone app , or OBD2 dashboard will let u see gears. Tfl would gain a lot by investing in a bt scan tool and torque pro app. Works on all these trucks.
A 15% difference in fuel economy is quite surprising, but I think the test loop was too short to be conclusive. Did either truck go into regeneration during the loop?
they don't even know what regeneration is. Mr. Truck probably knows but thats it
Regeneration is an absolute joke, nothing but a pain in the rear and then it screws the truck up cause the system decides not to regenerate its self.
This is the question I had. Big difference in fuel economy when in regen.
Not really Ford says the new 6.7 gets best economy out of the three GM ,Ram and from people I talk with seems to be true.
They didn't do the test trip for the ford until it was much colder ! Everyone knows that for every 5deg in temperature drop you gain about 17% in efficiency! Witch declines dramatically after about 20%maximum gain. This was definitely not a scientific test or they would have done the test at the same time of day with equal temperatures
11:43 Well thought out in having TWO cameras, just in case it's hard to see. Awesome
I'm surprised the GMC hasn't broken something. They're notorious for breaking Transmissions. And Motors as well. With that heavy load
100% false
FYI it’s dodge that breaks transmissions and L5Ps can handle over 1k horsepower on full stock motor. Check your facts.
No wonder it was bouncy you guys drove down I-76. Fun stuff! Cheers!
There are so many variables when it comes to fuel mileage. Wind, humidity, air density, and air temperature just to name a few. I'd call it a draw on the fuel mileage.
Didn't say if they wind dragged behind a semi halfway either. Haaaa
Yep, the computers were identical. It was too short of a route to really get any kind of an accurate test.
If I was rich I'd have that ford over a mercedes lol
Me too Ruben you're a smart young man
@Tom Wetz I'm from Belgium... 😅
If your dad was rich, he wouldn't have had you with that fugly wild animal you call a mother.
Mercedes doesn't make a dually. They do make a 6x6. I would have that over any Ford truck. But it's still not the same class of truck though. As for working on my car, yes I do. I don't trust anyone working on any of my cars/trucks. I use to have an Ford Lightning. I did all the work to it. The only thing it went to the stealership for was the recall on the brake master cylinder. I tried to talk them into giving me the inline fuse & I would install it myself but they wouldn't. I also have a Explorer Limited & a Fiero GT with a motor swap that I do all the work & maintenance on. My CL55 AMG is a very reliable car. No major issues with it. Ford does make some new stuff that isn't bad. If I had to buy a dually for some crazy reason I would buy a Ford. But all Chevy's cars & trucks since the late 90's to early 2000's have all been just crap. It started right before they became government motors. Always quality & design issues with them. They never admit they got it wrong too. They try to hide their mistakes like the ignition switches when they got the manufacturer to make a new improved switch but use the same part number as the old defective one so they wouldn't be blamed for the deaths of all those people. That's just dirty! All of the Government Motor products suck. Also personally I do not think any new car or truck are worth the money. They are waaaayyyy over priced.
Ruben Braekman if most people were smart they wouldn’t buy any modern Mercedes automobiles .
“I’m a bit of an under dog in this race” because I have a GMC
The trailer is flexing and bending causing the bouncing.
I always like FORD in HD but that GMC is a beauty too..👏👍
Andre When you talk about HP and torque like they are different or not linked directly to one another remember this. HP is derived from torque, the only thing HP means is how fast the work is getting done and Torque is how much work is getting done. You can't have one without the other. If an engine makes 1000 ftlbs of torque at 1500RPM and it also made 500ftlbs at 3000rpm the HP will be identical at both of those engine speeds. This is because the torque was cut in half but we doubled the engine speed or RPM. Imagine two guys shoveling snow out of their driveway, one guy is using a 24"wide shovel or 1000ftlbs and the other is using a 12" wide shovel 500ftlbs. The 24" shovel will take half the time at the same speed or RPM when compared to the 12" wide shovel. But if we can shovel twice as fast with a 12" shovel, aka Double our engine RPM we can make the same HP or shovel the same amount of snow in the same amount of time. That is HP! Same amount of snow shoveled but two different torque amounts and two different RPM. The equation for HP is this (RPM * Torque) / 5252=HP The next thing you need to learn is how engines are air pumps and the amount of air we can get in one determines the amount of torque it can produce.
Appreciate the videos! Keep them coming! Good video! Good comparison. The Ford has 3.55 gears, and the GMC has 3.42 gears right? Both trucks are very nice. I really like that trailer as well.
That different gear ratio is the .9 mpg difference ...but should make better mpg than the Ford unloaded I'm guessing?
Don't forget, the transmission gear ratios play a part in that too. Not just the rear end
Hello TFL,
Great video! God bless!
usually that bounce you're getting is because of to much weight on the front axle of the trailer that is transfering the load to the hitch. Would be nice to have seen you guys adjust load as I think it was off and causing that bounce....speaking from past experience.
Agree.
Incredible tow capacity. My 1983 Chevy C-10 with original 305 engine and 3 speed automatic hauls 2000lbs of roofing tear off down the road at 60 mph. Steering gets a bit squirrely above 70mph, but I slide by.
Ford's performance is impressive, but is their a difference in reliability? As an anecdotal observation 80% of all the Diesel Tow trucks where I live are GMC/Chevrolet's. It's like how almost all the Taxi's here are Toyota Camry's. Just wondering if there is any reason for the Heavy GM representation.
I am considering a 2500 HD and Ford's current offerings appear superior, performance wise, in both the Diesel and Gas versions. But this casual observation of Tow trucks in the area has me thinking.
Get the Ford!
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My 2017 f350 has been absolutely trouble free. And, Its A Beast! @80k miles.
Now do 0-60 With the loaded trailer on. thanks TFL
I was hoping they included a loaded trailer drag race too man
Ford wins by over a truck and trailer length...isuzu deisels are complete garbage and since chevy cant build anything themselves....sad
@@danielthomason5685 Any duramax is still better then the 6.0 or 6.4 ford ever was.
@@heavymetalworks6375 yea maybe this is why ford said to hell with outside sources design and built the best motors and transmission in any consumer truck
@@danielthomason5685 LOL your out of your mind if you think that.
I live in nevada and this is my first time seeing a def pump
I've only seen them at truck stops
Don't use them they clog up the system. Big bucks
@@chadperry885 how so? I'm curious
Chad Perry I heard the same thing. It's why I always bought the mopar Def for my Cummins (15 a gallon) and ppl gave me shit for it. However, I never had a problem with my DEF system.
Always check the date on the DEF box as well. Shelf life depends on temperature and age.
🔥 the golden era of 🚚 20's has began
I would think there is a monitor from a company like Banks that plugs into the OBD2 that would show what gear the trans is in. Great video as always guys! Truly my favorite automotive channel on RUclips.
It's gotta be rough as a Chevy engineer, always getting whooped by Ford. I bet it's because of the bean counters at GM constantly trying to cheap out on everything.
You cant say always getting beat. Pretty sure this is the first year Ford has won the Ike and the fuel efficiency test over GM in diesels. And no I'm not a GM fan boy, I have 2017 F250.
AT4 vs Tremor diesel had the GM slightly better unloaded.
@@ricktaylor966
Thank you!
@mtrujillo1973
The OP said always, and he was wrong.
Lol. Talk about fake news, without even looking I can think of many comparisons where G.M. wins a TFL shootout like the half ton diesel just off top of my head.
10:43 this man is just living his life come on Roman 😂😂😂😂😂
Damn, almost a whole second faster to 60 then my 96 Tahoe, pretty damn good for an 8,000lbs truck
Yea but ain’t hard in a truck with 1058 on/ft of torque and 445hp
Ford has always been able to put up the numbers, it’s the reliability that lets you down.
Look at the S car go "Trading Places" gotta love it
Love your shows. Some fun facts. In Sweden we are not allowed to drive faster then 80km/h aprox 50mph with trailer attached. On most of our motorways we have 110km/h aprox 66mph speedlimit without trailer. So 70mph with that trailer and load behind sounds alot.
Yeah, a lot of places throughout the US you can drive 75 to 85 Mph with a heavy trailer like that. Semi trucks also can go this fast unless otherwise posted.
Its state to state here in the US. Some states limit trailers to 55, some states don't have a special limit for trailer towing.
With the high number of dipshits driving these trucks with the monster trailers behind them without a proper license and training, the US needs those rules as well. It’s insane the US continues to allow this. Almost as bad as people pulling 30ft bumper pull trailers with a 1/2 ton truck.
@@sakostwwy1903 Statistically truck drivers are involved if far fewer crashes than automobiles though. It's the automobile drivers who really need the training.
Scootaloo I wasn’t talking big rig drivers. I was talking these city slickers with lots of money that buy the trucks that are in this video. Never taken any kind of class or certification. Go buy a 100k trailer weighing 25k pounds loaded because they can. Then they head out at 80mph posing huge risk to others. Then people wonder why their insurance rates are so high.