The F450 only weighs about 300 pounds more. The Super Duty catalogue says the F350 carries about 1250 pounds more, but not really. The F350 can be optioned with a gasoline engine. The diesel option adds about 700 pounds, the dual batteries adds about 100 pounds, the dual heavy duty alternator (and associated mount) adds about 100 pounds, and the larger fuel tank adds about 50 pounds. Thus, a similarly equipped F350 really only has a payload about 300 pounds greater. The 300 pounds comes from the extra weight on the F450 of the one inch larger diameter brakes, the larger wheels, and the longer front axle.
I’m a paramedic and we have F450s for our ambulance fleet, assuming they are chassis cabs but holy cow I swear those things can turn on a dime with the wider front axle. Very useful to have
Our new boo boo bus was ordered as an F450 as well and it's a night and day difference over the older F350 it replaced on the front line. Driving the 450 was sooo much nicer.
The Wide Track front end is worth the extra money if buying a F350 vs an F450. The turning radius is fantastic and comes in handy for daily driving. Yes, the ride is a bit harsher. But the larger brakes make up for it. Love my F450 and would buy another.
This video has helped me considerably. I was seriously thinking of getting a F450. I'm now convinced to get a single wheel F350 and a single axle tractor.
As we speak I’m talking the wife into buying a f450 to haul our 2018 keystone Fuzion toy hauler!!!! My poor f250 needs to be retired. I know I shouldn’t even hook up to it with a f250. The camper was an unexpected purchase and less than $40,000. Couldn’t pass it up!! Now the f450!!!!!!
bill it as a safer truck to haul the rv for your family, make sure you bring up the kids/grandkids and that you are worried that the rv might be a bit too big for the f250 and you'd feel it would be safer for the kids/grandkids and yourselves to have an f450 because it would be able to handle the trailer better which would make it less likely to cause an accident and hurt someone.
We bought 3 trucks in 3 years. An F150 eco first, then we decided we wanted to camp, F250. Wanted to upgrade our camper to realize the 250 had no more payload than the 150.. bought and F450. Now I have 2.5 tons of payload. Went with an STX trim cost 55k compared to 75 -100k for Lariat, Platinum and KR.
I lived in Corpus Christi for 26 years but moved in 2006. It was fun to see you driving past all of the places and streets I remember. Thanks for making this video. I would like to travel after I retire with a 5th wheel and I have wondered which truck would be better.
I had a F-350 SRW for my Arctic Fox 990 truck camper and threw a bunch of upgrades into it including 19.5 Rickson Truck wheels and eventually gave up and got a F-450. I got a 2017 F-450 so I didn't have to touch the truck, I roll completely stock with a 5000lb wet Arctic Fox 990 truck camper and it does amazing. Super tight turning radius, no need to upgrade suspension, sway bars are super stout and brakes are amazing, especially empty. I typically roll only about 1/2 of the GCWR of a F450 and it drives like a dream. My wife commented on a F350 SRW hauling a Arctic fox 990 like we have, leaning on turns and rocking with semi's passing on how scary it looked going down the road, I just grinned and said, "that's why I got this, I use to be that guy".
I can't say enough about the widetrack front end! Absolutely love it! I have it on my 2015 F350 dually, yes I said F350! Ford offered the widetrack on the F350 in '15-16. From the Ford brochure: High-Capacity Trailer Tow Package (F-350 Crew Cab DRW 172" WB 4x4 only; requires diesel engine and 4.30 limited-slip rear axle) includes max. front springs, wide track front axle, front fender flare moldings, and increased GCWR from 31,900 lbs. to 35,000 lbs.
Whats your GVWR? im trying to decide. In my heart and brain I want a F450 but can't do a CDL right now. And Cant for the life of me find the f350 gvwr. I know ill end up just buying smaller trailers. But wanna know all there is to know
@@chaddarr4834 Thanks but I'm not looking to sell anytime soon. Love the turning radius of this truck! Truck has a turning radius of the F450 but with all the benefits of only being an F350! Plus the 15 up 6.7 diesels are a little better than the 11-14.
Before I ordered my 2022 F450 I asked several Ford dealers about the actual differences between the F350 & F450 and all they could tell me was the wide track front axle and tires/brakes were the only differences between them. Thank you so much for this video it gave me the specifics I wanted to know and confirmed to me I made the right choice.
Excellent video. Really is strange that Ford doesn't explain this to people. Makes you wonder if a lot of dealers out there even realize the differences. If I needed some huge truck like this, the turning radius of the F450 would seal the deal for me. I liked your video showing how much of a difference that the turning radius makes.
Just switched from a 2018 F350 to a 2022 F450 and I'm getting better mpg. Averaged 14 with the 350, getting 15-16 with 450, unloaded. I'm assuming the 10 speed vs the older 6 speed is the reason. F350 had 3.55 gears
i did my homework and brought home a 2021 F350 dually with a 6.7 Power Stroke turbo vs an F450 in similar configuration for these very reasons you mentioned and saved quite a bit of money also. Thanks for the video!
Good Job explaining this as your correct. I too was looking at a F450 but decided on the F350 and have currently ordered 9 weeks ago a F350 Lariat optioned out minus the sun roof as I was looking more for structure integrity. Your video here reaffirmed my decision that I made the correct choice. Thank You
I have a 2000 F450 service truck with only 90,000 miles and the 7.3. It is a great truck, illegal in California so have to register it in Arizona. It is an awesome truck.
I don't tow or haul anything and I would still love to own one of these. Beautiful truck. The turning radius with that wider track front axle is just crazy. My only complaint would be the 19.5" wheels. With those things, you're stuck with those hard-riding commercial-grade tires. Upgrading to a 20" wheel puts you back in the realm of a bunch of consumer-grade tires that'll ride much nicer and it'll obviously still accommodate the larger brakes, but that's more money you'd have to spend after dropping $100K+ on this truck to begin with.
A couple of things that were not mentioned, which is why we are ordering a 2022 F350 Dually. 1. According to Ford's brochure, you can't get the 7.3 gas engine in the F450 2. You can't get a Super Cab in the F450
I still have a 1999 F-550 flat bed, with the old 7.3 liter Diesel-turbo and a 7-speed standard shift. I have put only one clutch in the truck at about 35-40,000 miles. FORD didn't put a big enough clutch it from the factory. It gets 10-12 mpg whether it's pulling a loaded 4 horse trailer, with large living quarters down the road at 70 miles per hour, or empty. I didn't get it for economy, I got it to do a job which it did for many years. It doesn't get much use now days, but when I need something hauled it does the job. It's a keeper!
F-450 also has beefier front end control arms and rods. They terminate with grease lube fittings 7 in total. F-350 has non grease able fittings and control arms and rods are thinner. F-450 has the super 60 front axle , f-350 does not. F-460 had 10 bolt hubs,f-350 has eight bolt hubs. F-450 is more of a trimmed down f-550 than an upgraded f-350. But I can say most folks that ask the which should I. It question would be fine with an f-350 4-10 rear.
We recently ordered a new F-350 Dually. I'd strongly considered 450, but decided against it because it really didn't offer much more than the 350. And all I'm really doing with it is hauling an RV, so... The better turning radius would've been nice. But on the other hand, I was able to order my 350 with the 3.55 rear end. Still plenty of towing capacity in that, but slightly better fuel milage.
@@wj2791 F-450 doesn’t even offer TPMS as an option?!!! TPMS saved me the other day with a flat on my driver’s side inside dual. I had 15,000 lb hitched to the 5th wheel.
Very informative. It's good to have all this info in one place. It was a PITA to suss this out when we bought our 450. Same color as yours! Stay safe down there with Nicholas bearing down on y'all!
One other thing different between pickup and chassis cab is the frame width. The chassis cab is not as wide as the pickup frame, that goes for both the 350 and 450 models. Another thing to consider when you register the truck in some states, they base the plate on the GVWR of the truck. Here in IL that means both the F350 and the F450 being at 14K would put it into the F plate range since they are over 12K GVWR. IOW it costs $104 a year more for the F350 Dually than a SRW, so might as well get the F450 instead if you live in those states.
Great rundown on the differences. This is why I chose an F350 to aul our 5th wheel and work trailers. The F450 “upgrades” just didn’t add value for my needs. I suspect that your short, on point video will be helpful to Super Duty shoppers. Thanks for doing & sharing you research.
As always the information you provide explains the major differences between the two trucks. I know when my wife and I are ready to replace my 2020 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 it will be replaced by a F450.
I have a 21k pound toy hauler that I tow with an f450. I had a hot shot driver, who had an f350, tell me "be glad you bought the f450" Enough said. I understand everything this guy said, especially about payload. Turning radius on my f450 is better than the short bed extended cab chevy I had...
I did not buy my f450 for a comfort ride or fuel milage, I wanted capability and control of what ever I was towing. You are right I may not have needed so much truck but it looks really good and is capable of doing what I ask of it. After being in an accident with another vehicle and trailer, I want full control. The city slickers may want the Cadillac ride, and milage wide rims that stick out past the fenders, no sidewall tires, front end jacked up while ass is low, and lights under the truck and fender wells... those trucks can only haul groceries, lol. I agree most folks probably only need a dually 350 if hauling. I drive mine everywhere, groceries, rv, hauling gravel go fishing... Thank you for the information.
In 2015 and 2016 Ford did build an F350 dually with the F450 front axle - I have one and it is much better than the normal F350 front axle. Unfortunately Ford stopped that option after 2016.
The price difference between same trim F350 and F450 is minimal and the extra cost of parts for the wide track front end would make them even closer in price, so there’s no real reason to offer a wide track F350.
@@jessaphillips2846 The ONLY reason people want the wide track on the 350 is because they want the ride quality of the 350 dually with the axle width of the 450.
I would be sold on the sharper turn radius and better brakes, especially in an emergency braking situation, although with the engine brake, and tranny down shifting, don’t really use my brakes all that much on my Ram dually.
We just ordered a '22 F450 wit a 16ft flatbed and it has a 16500 GWV don't know how much bed weights yet but I'm excited 😆 so it was great to hear it has a better turning radius than the F350. Currently we have a '07 GMC 3500 and it's falling apart, engine is good though but the turning on that is at best horrible. Thanks for the video
Engineering background here I must say that the turning radius on the F450 is AMAZING. I have not tried the F550 yet but I want to ask what is the real FUEL MPG City/HIGHWAY when you are NOT TOWING? For all of the negative talks about Ford, they still make the best trucks, hands down. I heard people who bought the F350 have some buyer's remorse because the turning apparatus is not as good. Even if you are not towing, I would still recommend the F450 because it is a more nice truck, and fun to drive. i also want to get an extended bed. Question it's the same Dana 41 vs 37 split. What are the advantages of the 41 vs the 37 split can you town more? Now if you don't need to tow that much then I recommend the F250 Super Duty and you can still tow quite a bit. You get a combined 15 MPG when you are not towing.
When I say payload I don’t mean what it will pull but what it will haul in the bed....my truck camper would be over the limit of the 450 but work on 350
You can opt to have the wide track axle on the f350 dually when you order it. My f350 dually has the wide track axle and the turning radius is amazing.
I find it funny when he says at the end 'That's about all you get with the F450 over the F350 folks'....when those are significant differences to many. The turning radius itself by him, was not highlighted as significantly as he should have, as it's HUGE when it comes to making a sharp turn! Personally, if I would end up going back to having the need of a large truck as I once had an F450, I'd most certainly do it again, and on a long trip, the ride is fabulously comfortable!
No truck has the turning feature like. F450 ! it feels like you can turn it for ever, very handy especially when towing an RV which requires one move U turn instead of going back and forth. I am glad I bought the F450
When I was looking at the F-350 vs the F-450…..it is now August 2024…..I was told by Ford corporate that most Ford dealerships around the country do NOT work on the F-450 for certain maintenance requirements ….because most dealerships do not have the capacity or equipment……this information I received directly from a Ford dealership in Wisconsin and I confirmed this information when speaking to several Ford Dealerships around the country…..so based on that information I went with the Ford F-350. My thoughts were why would I purchase something that is not fully supported at ALL Ford dealerships around the country….and chance voiding the warranty…..and consequently then being stranded somewhere with no support for God knows how long….
That was one of the most congenial traffic respectful calm Lee negotiated traffic jam I've ever seen there were only like two or three lane changes people were patient. Oh yeah thanks for the truck video
Great overview! I never realized how different the two models were until backing a 30ft trailer with an F450 C&C in a very tight area vs the F350 C&C and Chevy 3500 C&C that i was used to driving/towing with! If you've got the money and constantly haul heavy loads I'd definitely go 450 all day (especially if you do a C&C with some type of flatbed with underbody toolboxs/storage compartments)! For camper only towing doing park and cruise type use I'd stick with the 350 because of the slightly better ride and cheaper tires with more tread options 👍
I have a short box '04 F-250 XL (no rear sway bar) with a long bed slide-in camper that's pushing 3k pounds loaded and nothing but worn out shocks and air bags in the back to help with the squat. I've been subbed to this channel for a while but this video caught my interest as the weight of the camper had me leaning towards the 450 for the extra weight capacity (tires and suspension). This video made a lot of good points, if I could find a gas F-450 with a manual transmission I'd be tempted to sell my F-250.
Thanks for the info. I just assumed that the 450 pickup is simply a 450 c/c with a bed. I remember seeing in the 2017 Super Duty brochure that the 450 pickup only comes one way, 4x4, crew cab, diesel. Maybe it's still like that. That would explain its one way status. Cuts down on the number of unique models Ford has to produce. To me Ford makes the best 3/4 ton and up pickups, across the board.
Don't forget in around 2011 the 450 actually shard the Dana 80 rear axle with the F350, were a few years before and after it actually had a true medium duty rear axle
The turning radius was big for us. We didn’t loose 1000lbs capacity but did loose about 600lbs. We don’t need it so it wasn’t a big deal for us. We tow a 44ft 5th wheel and can do u-turns if needed. But not everyone will want or need the turning radius of the f450.
F350 to haul F450 to tow I beefed up the rear end on my F-450 with Carli long travel airbags and 3800 pound supplemental springs so it does not look like it is overloaded. If it does not look overloaded I will be left alone. I did that for a large and heavy slide-in truck camper. I need to be able to tow the boat and have the camper.
The highest towing version is the single cab 4x2. 4x4 lowers towing. Most of all the additions lower towing capacity as well becuase it makes it heavier or something else not made for towing. ALL of them can tow what any of you are pulling because their actual towing capacity is higher than your license will allow. Actually higher than can legally be pulled on the road. If you have the money, its mostly luxury or more accommodation that comes with the upgrades. Most all of the options can be gotten on a 350 for an upcharge. Like the rear gears or some reinforcement, whatever. You can put a truck bed on most of the commercial versions but yes, they are built for different reasons and are outfitted differently so you might have to change something to fit right.
For most people looking for an RV hauler, the F350 is the better option. The trailer has brakes of it's own, cheaper tires and smoother driving. If you throw the 14k sticker out the window and look at it from a hauling perspective the F450 is better. In a case for work where you're using the box to carry thousands of pounds like 2500lb welder plus the skid, tools and everything else you are relying strictly on the truck brakes. This is where you notice the difference driving around with the constant weight on the truck.
Hmmm...very interesting. My current truck is a 20-year-old F150 that is still seving me well. Granted, I've had about $4K worth of repairs done over the last 4 years or so, but all in all, that was far cheaper than a new truck! We got this truck from an insurance settlement because some $%(*%* t-boned by previous F150 that I really liked. It had a full 8' bed and a high-rise camper shell, making it ideal for our craft shows. However, in seeking a replacement, we searched and searched all over the SF Bay Area and environs, and NO 8' bed trucks were to be found on the used market! The insurance $$ wasn't enough to get a new truck, and at that, the dealers didn't have 8' beds, either: it would have had to be special-ordered. What a bummer! If I ever decide to go for getting a 5th wheel and taking off to tour the country, I'll definitely be looking for the F350 dually. FORD! First On Race Day! ;-)
I like how you make the video seem like you rehearsed what your trying to say. all the information is there and I'm not really bored. the pictures help a lot as well. its also kinda cool you just stuck dash cam footage of driving around Corpus Cristi up as the video and still for some reason it wasn't boring. I tried to make a video on the differences between a ram 3500 and 4500 cab and chassis truck but it was extremely painful to watch even for me. I was out with a camera and a pair of calipers measuring the frame and counting springs and all sorts of stuff saying "uh" and like almost every other word. no script at all. your video came out way better had more information and somehow was Alot shorter than mine. I was so embarrassed by mine I still didn't even post it yet and its been almost a year since I filmed it. I was kinda hoping I would get better at the youtube and refilm it one day.
I guess I must be the only guy that drives his truck on the beach. That's why I got the 350. There's no way in hell you're airing down the tires on a 450 to drive on the sand. That's a highway only vehicle with commercial tires. I also plan to get a slide-on truck camper so the extra 1k lbs. of payload is a big deal for me. Love your channel, but would LOVE someday to see a truck camper review, or two, or three!!
The 450 will safely carry more in the bed than 350, but it's de-rated (on paper) so it can be classified as a Class 3. If you're not hauling commercially, won't matter.
4 years ago when I was looking to retire my "tetanus" truck ( I hate Ohio road salt) I was looking at F450's just because of the 19.5 tires. I move my 13000# excavator and other equipment with the pick up sometimes and the stiffer tires are nice and they last a lot longer when loaded. I ended up finding a quite nice '04 f350 king ranch crew cab dually with 19.5 aluminum wheels on it and a cummins under the hood. It does a fine job towing and better than 20mpg empty but I need the proverbial "40 acres to turn the thing around". Wish I had the wide track front end of the f450.
The rear leaf spring contains one extra "leaf" and is awesomely more stout. That's the difference. Only in dualies the F450 is made explicitly for towing and cargo capacity...not for snow plowing, not for daily driver use...and it has a vast interior space unto itself so "fun for the whole Family" would be an understatement. Not a field truck though absolutely and actually does not handle well unladen. Given how amazing the Ford F150 hybrid is I'm hard pressed to be interested in any Super Duty truck at the moment ... especially as the Ford Maverick looks set to be even more amazing and the new Ford Ranger for next year imminent. But the best thing about the Ford F450 is best in class chassis that has remained basically unchanged for well over a decade. That makes making changes far far far more easy along the assembly than would be true of any other super heavy duty truck on the market at the moment. The only material step up would be to the Ford F750 which comes equiped with air brakes. To me that should be standard on any full size US made truck period currently and why I'm only interested in the Ford Maverick and upcoming Ford Ranger for next Year 2022. With all electric pickup truck Wars starting next Year that makes me hold off on even being interested in any product until all that rubber hits the road as well. Simply put the USA has a *MASSIVE* glut of vehicle at the moment and prices look set to plunge.
Great informative video. If you have a blog/website, you should write a post pointing out these differences & then simply point people to it when they ask you 😀. Seeing things written down for in a tabular format will be very helpful to people looking to make a buying decision.
The biggest problem is tires/wheels. With an F450, you get commercial hauler tires and wheel sizes, designed for long distance longevity and capacity on Interstates and why they're 19.5 (notice the .5? That means they're designed for hauling on roadways). The F350 comes with 17.0 or 18.0 (or 20.0) rims. Notice the size ends in .0? That means "passenger light-duty", which means you can easily find off-road tires to retrofit onto your 17, 18, or 20 inch rims. There's precious few options for "off road rated" tires for a commercial hauler, which means if you have an F450, you need to change your rims also, at about $1200 per rim, in order to get decent offroad capability.
Great video, good info. I’ll be that guy though and point out a few things you kinda “missed.”Mainly that these differences depend on the year, which certainly adds more potentially confusing info, but I believe it is worth noting in case someone were to by an older year model truck. 08-10: 450 is as you described but had the same square tube rear axle as the c&c truck. Additionally they offered the “tow boss” which was(the perfect truck) a 350 with the 450 axle and 350 wheels brakes and rear axle. 11-14: 450 had the 350 rear axle, wheels and brakes 15-16: 450 had the same features as the 08-10 and the tow boss 350 returned 17+ is exactly as you described. The difference in payload between the 350, 350 tow boss and 450 had varied quite a bit since 08(I haven’t been interested enough to remember those particular details)
Very close brother. Ford opted to upgrade the 2015/2016 F450 to the Dana S130 axle vs the Dana S110 use on the 08-10. Both shared a very similar design with the use of the square axle tubes. The S130 has a higher axle rating though.
Thanks for your video. For the last 20 years I've worked at an ambulance manufacturing facility, and we build a lot of units on the F450 and F550 chassis before moving up to the medium duty chassis. Over the years I've been amazed how few people actually know the differences between the chassis. I'm glad you've done this video to help folks learn about it!
More Research Needed 🤔 I own a cab chassis 2013 F450 crew cab 4wd,Witch is beefier then a f350 and mine came with a 4:88 gear ratio and the 1-1/4 ton rear end basically a giant Ford 9" with 47 spline axle and my capacity bed wise is 9000lbs & still towing max 40,000 & Mines Derated Because I'm 14,500 gvwr My new specs at 2013 are 330/660 but can tow way more Instead of having 400/800 in pickup version 👍
You get a slightly upgraded drive train on the F450 compared to the F350. So to summarize; having equal engine specs and rear suspension, towing capacity doesnt change but reliability enhances, hence bigger brakes and extra 2 lugs.
The F450 only weighs about 300 pounds more. The Super Duty catalogue says the F350 carries about 1250 pounds more, but not really. The F350 can be optioned with a gasoline engine. The diesel option adds about 700 pounds, the dual batteries adds about 100 pounds, the dual heavy duty alternator (and associated mount) adds about 100 pounds, and the larger fuel tank adds about 50 pounds. Thus, a similarly equipped F350 really only has a payload about 300 pounds greater. The 300 pounds comes from the extra weight on the F450 of the one inch larger diameter brakes, the larger wheels, and the longer front axle.
I’m a paramedic and we have F450s for our ambulance fleet, assuming they are chassis cabs but holy cow I swear those things can turn on a dime with the wider front axle. Very useful to have
Our new boo boo bus was ordered as an F450 as well and it's a night and day difference over the older F350 it replaced on the front line. Driving the 450 was sooo much nicer.
My towns fleet is made of dodge 4500, and our supervisors' trucks are "older" (2010-2016) f250-350s
The Wide Track front end is worth the extra money if buying a F350 vs an F450. The turning radius is fantastic and comes in handy for daily driving. Yes, the ride is a bit harsher. But the larger brakes make up for it. Love my F450 and would buy another.
The turning radius on the 450 and 550 is amazing
Very true.
Yes it is. Even thought the 550 work truck i had was considerably longer than a 350 single axle inhad before, it still turned way better.
This video has helped me considerably. I was seriously thinking of getting a F450. I'm now convinced to get a single wheel F350 and a single axle tractor.
As we speak I’m talking the wife into buying a f450 to haul our 2018 keystone Fuzion toy hauler!!!! My poor f250 needs to be retired. I know I shouldn’t even hook up to it with a f250. The camper was an unexpected purchase and less than $40,000. Couldn’t pass it up!! Now the f450!!!!!!
bill it as a safer truck to haul the rv for your family, make sure you bring up the kids/grandkids and that you are worried that the rv might be a bit too big for the f250 and you'd feel it would be safer for the kids/grandkids and yourselves to have an f450 because it would be able to handle the trailer better which would make it less likely to cause an accident and hurt someone.
We run F550 an would not go down in size. Pull 2019 Keystone Fuzion 423. Love the stability an power.
My father in law has the f450 and an f350. He says he doesn’t know the 11’ camper is even on his f450. He sure is aware when it was on his f350.
We bought 3 trucks in 3 years. An F150 eco first, then we decided we wanted to camp, F250. Wanted to upgrade our camper to realize the 250 had no more payload than the 150.. bought and F450. Now I have 2.5 tons of payload. Went with an STX trim cost 55k compared to 75 -100k for Lariat, Platinum and KR.
@@ericklepper9351 Power? F550 has the same motor as the F250
I lived in Corpus Christi for 26 years but moved in 2006. It was fun to see you driving past all of the places and streets I remember. Thanks for making this video. I would like to travel after I retire with a 5th wheel and I have wondered which truck would be better.
I had a F-350 SRW for my Arctic Fox 990 truck camper and threw a bunch of upgrades into it including 19.5 Rickson Truck wheels and eventually gave up and got a F-450. I got a 2017 F-450 so I didn't have to touch the truck, I roll completely stock with a 5000lb wet Arctic Fox 990 truck camper and it does amazing. Super tight turning radius, no need to upgrade suspension, sway bars are super stout and brakes are amazing, especially empty. I typically roll only about 1/2 of the GCWR of a F450 and it drives like a dream. My wife commented on a F350 SRW hauling a Arctic fox 990 like we have, leaning on turns and rocking with semi's passing on how scary it looked going down the road, I just grinned and said, "that's why I got this, I use to be that guy".
I can't say enough about the widetrack front end! Absolutely love it! I have it on my 2015 F350 dually, yes I said F350! Ford offered the widetrack on the F350 in '15-16. From the Ford brochure: High-Capacity Trailer Tow Package (F-350
Crew Cab DRW 172" WB 4x4 only; requires diesel engine and 4.30 limited-slip rear axle) includes max. front springs, wide track front axle, front fender flare moldings, and increased GCWR from 31,900 lbs. to 35,000 lbs.
Whats your GVWR? im trying to decide. In my heart and brain I want a F450 but can't do a CDL right now. And Cant for the life of me find the f350 gvwr. I know ill end up just buying smaller trailers. But wanna know all there is to know
@@TheOreo2008 it's 14000# which is the same as a F450 and you don't need to have a CDL.
You don’t wanna sell that truck do you I got a 2011 Ford F3 50 Dooley four-wheel-drive that I’m fixing to get rid of
@@chaddarr4834 Thanks but I'm not looking to sell anytime soon. Love the turning radius of this truck! Truck has a turning radius of the F450 but with all the benefits of only being an F350! Plus the 15 up 6.7 diesels are a little better than the 11-14.
If I was u I’d hold onto that truck brother-Supposedly the 6.4 the 2001 to the 2008 of the best years to get them other than the 13-16
The turning radius is a big difference for me when considering to buy a 350 or 450.
I never knew that
Definitely, huge difference. Same qith the 550. The 550 I had was long as hell but still turned way better than the 350 I had.
Before I ordered my 2022 F450 I asked several Ford dealers about the actual differences between the F350 & F450 and all they could tell me was the wide track front axle and tires/brakes were the only differences between them. Thank you so much for this video it gave me the specifics I wanted to know and confirmed to me I made the right choice.
Excellent video. Really is strange that Ford doesn't explain this to people. Makes you wonder if a lot of dealers out there even realize the differences. If I needed some huge truck like this, the turning radius of the F450 would seal the deal for me. I liked your video showing how much of a difference that the turning radius makes.
Not the same thing, but deciphering max towing when buying a Ford Expeditions or F-150 is a pain.
@@bobscharding9922, if you're towing I'd highly recommend an F-150. The independent suspension in the XP is a big red flag.
Lol they kno
Fact is that the new f450 2022 steering was tight when I picked it up. But later the same night it was impossible
Depends on what you’re towing.
We switched from a 350 to 450. Fuel mileage is a little worse, but the turn radius is awesome!
Diesel? Or Gas?
Just switched from a 2018 F350 to a 2022 F450 and I'm getting better mpg. Averaged 14 with the 350, getting 15-16 with 450, unloaded. I'm assuming the 10 speed vs the older 6 speed is the reason. F350 had 3.55 gears
@@samnelller9110they only make diesel
You can get a F350 dually with 4:30 gears now on 2022, I ordered one 2 weeks ago.
i did my homework and brought home a 2021 F350 dually with a 6.7 Power Stroke turbo vs an F450 in similar configuration for these very reasons you mentioned and saved quite a bit of money also. Thanks for the video!
Good Job explaining this as your correct. I too was looking at a F450 but decided on the F350 and have currently ordered 9 weeks ago a F350 Lariat optioned out minus the sun roof as I was looking more for structure integrity. Your video here reaffirmed my decision that I made the correct choice. Thank You
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, it saved me a lot of my own time.
I have a 2000 F450 service truck with only 90,000 miles and the 7.3. It is a great truck, illegal in California so have to register it in Arizona. It is an awesome truck.
I don't tow or haul anything and I would still love to own one of these. Beautiful truck. The turning radius with that wider track front axle is just crazy. My only complaint would be the 19.5" wheels. With those things, you're stuck with those hard-riding commercial-grade tires. Upgrading to a 20" wheel puts you back in the realm of a bunch of consumer-grade tires that'll ride much nicer and it'll obviously still accommodate the larger brakes, but that's more money you'd have to spend after dropping $100K+ on this truck to begin with.
The tighter turning radius really shines when backing a large RV into a tight spot.
I bought a 2022 F450 Cab Chassis with flatbed 7.3 with 4.88 gear. Love it
A couple of things that were not mentioned, which is why we are ordering a 2022 F350 Dually.
1. According to Ford's brochure, you can't get the 7.3 gas engine in the F450
2. You can't get a Super Cab in the F450
I want an F450 because of the looks.
I want an F450 because of the payload and towing capacity.
I still have a 1999 F-550 flat bed, with the old 7.3 liter Diesel-turbo and a 7-speed standard shift. I have put only one clutch in the truck at about 35-40,000 miles. FORD didn't put a big enough clutch it from the factory. It gets 10-12 mpg whether it's pulling a loaded 4 horse trailer, with large living quarters down the road at 70 miles per hour, or empty. I didn't get it for economy, I got it to do a job which it did for many years. It doesn't get much use now days, but when I need something hauled it does the job. It's a keeper!
F-450 also has beefier front end control arms and rods. They terminate with grease lube fittings 7 in total. F-350 has non grease able fittings and control arms and rods are thinner. F-450 has the super 60 front axle , f-350 does not. F-460 had 10 bolt hubs,f-350 has eight bolt hubs. F-450 is more of a trimmed down f-550 than an upgraded f-350.
But I can say most folks that ask the which should I. It question would be fine with an f-350 4-10 rear.
That’s what I just ordered
Thanks for compiling this information into one place. I just ordered a '22 F350 DRW with the 7.3 Godzilla and 4.30 gears.
We recently ordered a new F-350 Dually. I'd strongly considered 450, but decided against it because it really didn't offer much more than the 350. And all I'm really doing with it is hauling an RV, so...
The better turning radius would've been nice. But on the other hand, I was able to order my 350 with the 3.55 rear end. Still plenty of towing capacity in that, but slightly better fuel milage.
Nice!! 😀
@@wj2791 F-450 doesn’t even offer TPMS as an option?!!! TPMS saved me the other day with a flat on my driver’s side inside dual. I had 15,000 lb hitched to the 5th wheel.
Still loving it!
Very informative. It's good to have all this info in one place. It was a PITA to suss this out when we bought our 450. Same color as yours! Stay safe down there with Nicholas bearing down on y'all!
i cant wait for my 22 f450 lariet, should start being built next week.
Thank you for the review we don’t get many if any of the big fords here in Australia always been fascinated with the differences in the bigger trucks.
One other thing different between pickup and chassis cab is the frame width. The chassis cab is not as wide as the pickup frame, that goes for both the 350 and 450 models. Another thing to consider when you register the truck in some states, they base the plate on the GVWR of the truck. Here in IL that means both the F350 and the F450 being at 14K would put it into the F plate range since they are over 12K GVWR. IOW it costs $104 a year more for the F350 Dually than a SRW, so might as well get the F450 instead if you live in those states.
Thank you for the information! I didn't realize the axle ratio was different the axles them self where bigger!
Great rundown on the differences. This is why I chose an F350 to aul our 5th wheel and work trailers. The F450 “upgrades” just didn’t add value for my needs. I suspect that your short, on point video will be helpful to Super Duty shoppers. Thanks for doing & sharing you research.
As always the information you provide explains the major differences between the two trucks. I know when my wife and I are ready to replace my 2020 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 it will be replaced by a F450.
The current circumstances
sound a bit risky.
Hey I’m new to the trucking world, what type of work can you do with a truck like this?
Corpus Christi! Whataburger!! I've been out of Texas too long... appreciate the scenery. Thanks!
Thanks for explaining cargo capacity to my husband.
I have a 21k pound toy hauler that I tow with an f450. I had a hot shot driver, who had an f350, tell me "be glad you bought the f450" Enough said. I understand everything this guy said, especially about payload. Turning radius on my f450 is better than the short bed extended cab chevy I had...
Thanks for sharing the info...out of many hours of research ,,,this is the BEST DESCRIPTION OF DIFFERENCES. ☆☆☆☆☆
Turning radius and brakes are a good bonus!
I drive a F450 (cab & chassis) with a mounted flatbed to deliver feed. One of my helpers tried to tell me it was basically just a modified F350! Lol
I did not buy my f450 for a comfort ride or fuel milage, I wanted capability and control of what ever I was towing. You are right I may not have needed so much truck but it looks really good and is capable of doing what I ask of it. After being in an accident with another vehicle and trailer, I want full control. The city slickers may want the Cadillac ride, and milage wide rims that stick out past the fenders, no sidewall tires, front end jacked up while ass is low, and lights under the truck and fender wells... those trucks can only haul groceries, lol. I agree most folks probably only need a dually 350 if hauling. I drive mine everywhere, groceries, rv, hauling gravel go fishing... Thank you for the information.
this is the best explanation yet on your channel. thanks! if only they would make a 350 with the wide track and call the rest good!
In 2015 and 2016 Ford did build an F350 dually with the F450 front axle - I have one and it is much better than the normal F350 front axle. Unfortunately Ford stopped that option after 2016.
The price difference between same trim F350 and F450 is minimal and the extra cost of parts for the wide track front end would make them even closer in price, so there’s no real reason to offer a wide track F350.
@@jessaphillips2846 The ONLY reason people want the wide track on the 350 is because they want the ride quality of the 350 dually with the axle width of the 450.
I would be sold on the sharper turn radius and better brakes, especially in an emergency braking situation, although with the engine brake, and tranny down shifting, don’t really use my brakes all that much on my Ram dually.
We just ordered a '22 F450 wit a 16ft flatbed and it has a 16500 GWV don't know how much bed weights yet but I'm excited 😆 so it was great to hear it has a better turning radius than the F350. Currently we have a '07 GMC 3500 and it's falling apart, engine is good though but the turning on that is at best horrible. Thanks for the video
🤣 and that's why buying a GM is bad... They fall apart. I have plenty friends with both. The Ford holds up better, especially the interior.
Engineering background here I must say that the turning radius on the F450 is AMAZING. I have not tried the F550 yet but I want to ask what is the real FUEL MPG City/HIGHWAY when you are NOT TOWING? For all of the negative talks about Ford, they still make the best trucks, hands down. I heard people who bought the F350 have some buyer's remorse because the turning apparatus is not as good. Even if you are not towing, I would still recommend the F450 because it is a more nice truck, and fun to drive. i also want to get an extended bed. Question it's the same Dana 41 vs 37 split. What are the advantages of the 41 vs the 37 split can you town more?
Now if you don't need to tow that much then I recommend the F250 Super Duty and you can still tow quite a bit. You get a combined 15 MPG when you are not towing.
Real question. Does it really matter which one I buy because I will never tow anything? I just love the looks.
I’m a Ram/Cummins guy but if I needed a dually it would most likely be the F450 and skip the 350/3500
Why do you say that? Just curious
you actually give up payload with the 450 due to weight....
Because of the turn radius they have. The payload is still plenty high enough for anything I’d ever tow.
Turning radius alone is enough to justify it. Payload difference is minimal in real world application
When I say payload I don’t mean what it will pull but what it will haul in the bed....my truck camper would be over the limit of the 450 but work on 350
You can opt to have the wide track axle on the f350 dually when you order it. My f350 dually has the wide track axle and the turning radius is amazing.
Not since 2015. Your referring to the Tow Boss package which is no longer available.
@@BTBRVReviews My truck is 2017
@@BTBRVReviews and in canada it was just an option, not called tow boss
@@BTBRVReviews yea it like package (67w)
Correction on the F350 rear gear ratio; yes, you CAN get the 4.30 gears, but only in the dually. My 2006 has factory 4.30’s front and rear (4WD).
I understand the differences. However i am not a fan of the aesthetics of the 450. But folks should definitely opt for the ford!
Seeing you’re F-450 In person and around town I didn’t realize how much wider an F-450 compared to an F-350.
Keep up with informative videos BTBRV! 🤠
I find it funny when he says at the end 'That's about all you get with the F450 over the F350 folks'....when those are significant differences to many. The turning radius itself by him, was not highlighted as significantly as he should have, as it's HUGE when it comes to making a sharp turn! Personally, if I would end up going back to having the need of a large truck as I once had an F450, I'd most certainly do it again, and on a long trip, the ride is fabulously comfortable!
Hell, go all out. Get an f650 cad chassis with a dually bed on it.👍
No truck has the turning feature like. F450 ! it feels like you can turn it for ever, very handy especially when towing an RV which requires one move U turn instead of going back and forth. I am glad I bought the F450
I like your color matched 2-tone bumper. Clean...
The better turning radius sold me!
When I was looking at the F-350 vs the F-450…..it is now August 2024…..I was told by Ford corporate that most Ford dealerships around the country do NOT work on the F-450 for certain maintenance requirements ….because most dealerships do not have the capacity or equipment……this information I received directly from a Ford dealership in Wisconsin and I confirmed this information when speaking to several Ford Dealerships around the country…..so based on that information I went with the Ford F-350. My thoughts were why would I purchase something that is not fully supported at ALL Ford dealerships around the country….and chance voiding the warranty…..and consequently then being stranded somewhere with no support for God knows how long….
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@@BTBRVReviews Thank You
That was one of the most congenial traffic respectful calm Lee negotiated traffic jam I've ever seen there were only like two or three lane changes people were patient.
Oh yeah thanks for the truck video
Great overview! I never realized how different the two models were until backing a 30ft trailer with an F450 C&C in a very tight area vs the F350 C&C and Chevy 3500 C&C that i was used to driving/towing with! If you've got the money and constantly haul heavy loads I'd definitely go 450 all day (especially if you do a C&C with some type of flatbed with underbody toolboxs/storage compartments)! For camper only towing doing park and cruise type use I'd stick with the 350 because of the slightly better ride and cheaper tires with more tread options 👍
I love my 450 Limited. Great truck. Only drawback: you have to plan where to park.
even a 250 you have to plan where to park, most of the time means a little longer walk. Park away from other cars
I have an overbuilt 250 lifted i need over 8.5 ft clearance. I always have to plan!
@@wj2791 you won't regret changing your order.
Could not explained that any better . That's why I bought the F350 dually for the extra payload..
I have a short box '04 F-250 XL (no rear sway bar) with a long bed slide-in camper that's pushing 3k pounds loaded and nothing but worn out shocks and air bags in the back to help with the squat. I've been subbed to this channel for a while but this video caught my interest as the weight of the camper had me leaning towards the 450 for the extra weight capacity (tires and suspension). This video made a lot of good points, if I could find a gas F-450 with a manual transmission I'd be tempted to sell my F-250.
This guy is sharp. I've got 350 and 550 and several dodges. I had no idea
Thanks for the info. I just assumed that the 450 pickup is simply a 450 c/c with a bed. I remember seeing in the 2017 Super Duty brochure that the 450 pickup only comes one way, 4x4, crew cab, diesel. Maybe it's still like that. That would explain its one way status. Cuts down on the number of unique models Ford has to produce. To me Ford makes the best 3/4 ton and up pickups, across the board.
Another, information packed video JD, thank you! I grew up in Corpus and love the video footage.
Don't forget in around 2011 the 450 actually shard the Dana 80 rear axle with the F350, were a few years before and after it actually had a true medium duty rear axle
I had a 08 450 pickup. Besides having the ecu replaced 2 weeks after buying it I sure do miss that truck. Topped out at 83mph lol
Our friend had two of those, engines lasted 34,000 and 37,000 miles. He takes impeccable care of his stuff too
The turning radius was big for us. We didn’t loose 1000lbs capacity but did loose about 600lbs. We don’t need it so it wasn’t a big deal for us. We tow a 44ft 5th wheel and can do u-turns if needed. But not everyone will want or need the turning radius of the f450.
Also the Cab and Chassis also get a less power, different turbo and injection system.
You also get a de rated motor in the cab and chassis f450. Smaller turbo, different tuning.
F350 to haul
F450 to tow
I beefed up the rear end on my F-450 with Carli long travel airbags and 3800 pound supplemental springs so it does not look like it is overloaded. If it does not look overloaded I will be left alone. I did that for a large and heavy slide-in truck camper. I need to be able to tow the boat and have the camper.
F450 cab and chassis Diesel engine is de-rated also from the pickup version
The highest towing version is the single cab 4x2. 4x4 lowers towing. Most of all the additions lower towing capacity as well becuase it makes it heavier or something else not made for towing.
ALL of them can tow what any of you are pulling because their actual towing capacity is higher than your license will allow. Actually higher than can legally be pulled on the road.
If you have the money, its mostly luxury or more accommodation that comes with the upgrades. Most all of the options can be gotten on a 350 for an upcharge. Like the rear gears or some reinforcement, whatever.
You can put a truck bed on most of the commercial versions but yes, they are built for different reasons and are outfitted differently so you might have to change something to fit right.
I’ve got the best of both worlds in my 16 with the tow boss package. 4.30 and the wide track front end.
Dudeeee you’re in my cityyy! No wayyy! My hometown!!! Miss it! Really from Portland but used to live in corpus
For most people looking for an RV hauler, the F350 is the better option. The trailer has brakes of it's own, cheaper tires and smoother driving. If you throw the 14k sticker out the window and look at it from a hauling perspective the F450 is better. In a case for work where you're using the box to carry thousands of pounds like 2500lb welder plus the skid, tools and everything else you are relying strictly on the truck brakes. This is where you notice the difference driving around with the constant weight on the truck.
Hmmm...very interesting. My current truck is a 20-year-old F150 that is still seving me well. Granted, I've had about $4K worth of repairs done over the last 4 years or so, but all in all, that was far cheaper than a new truck!
We got this truck from an insurance settlement because some $%(*%* t-boned by previous F150 that I really liked. It had a full 8' bed and a high-rise camper shell, making it ideal for our craft shows. However, in seeking a replacement, we searched and searched all over the SF Bay Area and environs, and NO 8' bed trucks were to be found on the used market! The insurance $$ wasn't enough to get a new truck, and at that, the dealers didn't have 8' beds, either: it would have had to be special-ordered. What a bummer!
If I ever decide to go for getting a 5th wheel and taking off to tour the country, I'll definitely be looking for the F350 dually. FORD! First On Race Day! ;-)
I like how you make the video seem like you rehearsed what your trying to say. all the information is there and I'm not really bored. the pictures help a lot as well. its also kinda cool you just stuck dash cam footage of driving around Corpus Cristi up as the video and still for some reason it wasn't boring.
I tried to make a video on the differences between a ram 3500 and 4500 cab and chassis truck but it was extremely painful to watch even for me. I was out with a camera and a pair of calipers measuring the frame and counting springs and all sorts of stuff saying "uh" and like almost every other word. no script at all. your video came out way better had more information and somehow was Alot shorter than mine. I was so embarrassed by mine I still didn't even post it yet and its been almost a year since I filmed it. I was kinda hoping I would get better at the youtube and refilm it one day.
I guess I must be the only guy that drives his truck on the beach. That's why I got the 350. There's no way in hell you're airing down the tires on a 450 to drive on the sand. That's a highway only vehicle with commercial tires. I also plan to get a slide-on truck camper so the extra 1k lbs. of payload is a big deal for me. Love your channel, but would LOVE someday to see a truck camper review, or two, or three!!
The 450 will safely carry more in the bed than 350, but it's de-rated (on paper) so it can be classified as a Class 3. If you're not hauling commercially, won't matter.
4 years ago when I was looking to retire my "tetanus" truck ( I hate Ohio road salt) I was looking at F450's just because of the 19.5 tires. I move my 13000# excavator and other equipment with the pick up sometimes and the stiffer tires are nice and they last a lot longer when loaded. I ended up finding a quite nice '04 f350 king ranch crew cab dually with 19.5 aluminum wheels on it and a cummins under the hood. It does a fine job towing and better than 20mpg empty but I need the proverbial "40 acres to turn the thing around". Wish I had the wide track front end of the f450.
The rear leaf spring contains one extra "leaf" and is awesomely more stout. That's the difference. Only in dualies the F450 is made explicitly for towing and cargo capacity...not for snow plowing, not for daily driver use...and it has a vast interior space unto itself so "fun for the whole Family" would be an understatement.
Not a field truck though absolutely and actually does not handle well unladen.
Given how amazing the Ford F150 hybrid is I'm hard pressed to be interested in any Super Duty truck at the moment ... especially as the Ford Maverick looks set to be even more amazing and the new Ford Ranger for next year imminent.
But the best thing about the Ford F450 is best in class chassis that has remained basically unchanged for well over a decade.
That makes making changes far far far more easy along the assembly than would be true of any other super heavy duty truck on the market at the moment.
The only material step up would be to the Ford F750 which comes equiped with air brakes. To me that should be standard on any full size US made truck period currently and why I'm only interested in the Ford Maverick and upcoming Ford Ranger for next Year 2022.
With all electric pickup truck Wars starting next Year that makes me hold off on even being interested in any product until all that rubber hits the road as well.
Simply put the USA has a *MASSIVE* glut of vehicle at the moment and prices look set to plunge.
The major reason to get the pickup vs the chassis cab is the engine is not derated.
Great informative video. If you have a blog/website, you should write a post pointing out these differences & then simply point people to it when they ask you 😀. Seeing things written down for in a tabular format will be very helpful to people looking to make a buying decision.
The biggest problem is tires/wheels. With an F450, you get commercial hauler tires and wheel sizes, designed for long distance longevity and capacity on Interstates and why they're 19.5 (notice the .5? That means they're designed for hauling on roadways).
The F350 comes with 17.0 or 18.0 (or 20.0) rims. Notice the size ends in .0? That means "passenger light-duty", which means you can easily find off-road tires to retrofit onto your 17, 18, or 20 inch rims.
There's precious few options for "off road rated" tires for a commercial hauler, which means if you have an F450, you need to change your rims also, at about $1200 per rim, in order to get decent offroad capability.
I'm going with a nice used F350 quadcab SRW because I can afford it, it's set up is ideal for my needs and it's also in great condition.
I have a 2023 Isuzu NPR with a 6.6 liter gas v8 and I am planning to refit hauler bed
I know what they got in common, Recall TSBs. From July and August.
You never know who's going to be making a youtube video while driving down the interstate.
Great video, you answered a lot of questions I had. I’m looking for a F350-450 flatbed for a camper build. Thanks for the info.
Great video, good info. I’ll be that guy though and point out a few things you kinda “missed.”Mainly that these differences depend on the year, which certainly adds more potentially confusing info, but I believe it is worth noting in case someone were to by an older year model truck.
08-10: 450 is as you described but had the same square tube rear axle as the c&c truck. Additionally they offered the “tow boss” which was(the perfect truck) a 350 with the 450 axle and 350 wheels brakes and rear axle.
11-14: 450 had the 350 rear axle, wheels and brakes
15-16: 450 had the same features as the 08-10 and the tow boss 350 returned
17+ is exactly as you described. The difference in payload between the 350, 350 tow boss and 450 had varied quite a bit since 08(I haven’t been interested enough to remember those particular details)
Very close brother. Ford opted to upgrade the 2015/2016 F450 to the Dana S130 axle vs the Dana S110 use on the 08-10. Both shared a very similar design with the use of the square axle tubes. The S130 has a higher axle rating though.
My 12’ f450 quad cab lariat dually has 8 lug.
Thanks for your video. For the last 20 years I've worked at an ambulance manufacturing facility, and we build a lot of units on the F450 and F550 chassis before moving up to the medium duty chassis. Over the years I've been amazed how few people actually know the differences between the chassis. I'm glad you've done this video to help folks learn about it!
Beautiful! Great work and attention to detail
More Research Needed 🤔 I own a cab chassis 2013 F450 crew cab 4wd,Witch is beefier then a f350 and mine came with a 4:88 gear ratio and the 1-1/4 ton rear end basically a giant Ford 9" with 47 spline axle and my capacity bed wise is 9000lbs & still towing max 40,000 & Mines Derated Because I'm 14,500 gvwr
My new specs at 2013 are 330/660 but can tow way more
Instead of having 400/800 in pickup version 👍
This video gave me road rage.
I just wished Ford would put the 7.3 in the 450 pickup. And just lower tow ratings. In the door jamb.
You get a slightly upgraded drive train on the F450 compared to the F350. So to summarize; having equal engine specs and rear suspension, towing capacity doesnt change but reliability enhances, hence bigger brakes and extra 2 lugs.
Always great information on this channel, thanks for sharing 👍🏾
In your experience, which truck do you believe is a better daily driver when not towing? A long bed F350 SRW or F450? SRW vs wide front axle?
Nice job bringing in some images of what u r talking about!
Do u have a F250 vs F350 SRW comparison video?
Yes, but it's pretty old