MK7R Dyno comparison, Stock vs Stage 1
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2020
- We compare a simple APR Stage 1 tune vs Stock on a MK7 Golf R on our chassis dyno. We did our best to keep each run consistent to the next.
1st Run - Stock (91oct)
2nd Run - APR Stage 1 Low Torque (91oct)
3rd Run - APR Stage 1 High Torque (91oct)
*We clearly would expect even more power with the 93oct file.
The results are what we've seen across the board over the years when dynoing APR tuned vehicles, whether it was stage 1 all the way up to Stage 3+.
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Dave I love this. This is the type of stuff we wanna see. Keep up the awsome work and vids. 100 percent support brotha.
Not sure who this is, but greatly appreciated. Glad you enjoyed and thanks for the support.
Its Nick Jackson Dave.
Great stuff! I love seeing real world results compared to the claims.
Thanks.
I love seeing claims & having even better results! Lol
No wonder everyone loves those motors! Thats insane gains for a simple off the shelf flash man!
It's by far the vehicle I recommend the most when folks are looking to purchase a new car. Amazing power with easy bolt ons, super practical every day car, and inconspicuous as well.
Great job with the video! Great to see the actual #s you get what ya got if all is healthy.
Love to see TDI results for Malone
Thanks, unfortunately I can only do HP on diesels at this time. May upgrade at some point if more diesels want to put them on the rollers but at this point the cost outweighs the benefits of the odd person who'd want to dyno them.
hell yeah brothers!! Nice editing Clayton
Thanks dude!
Awesome video fellas! Nice to see how the claims compare 👍
Thank you sir.
Thanks dude. Well done video. Exactly what I needed to know.
Awesome vid, love my Stage 2 and the few bolt ons you did. I gotta get over to get that dog bone insert you sold me on.
Stage 2... yeah another different animal. :) Thanks for the comments, we're trying. Oh and no problem!
love the vids, keep up the good work :)
Appreciate the feedback. Thanks.
Nice to see back to back. Bloopers were fkn hilarious. 😂
Thanks. 🙂
I appreciate the channel so much
Thanks
the last 2 minutes were the best...... the front wheels drives!!! thanks for a great video
👍
I wish everyone could make their dyno videos exactly like this one.
Appreciate that.
Guess that would explain why 21 year old mk1 TT 1.8T blasts around the way it does and saddens many other car owners around town... and thats not even with the k04 upgrade. Love to see it
Love the channel
Appreciate the comment. 👍
Nice video men! Great and cleans numbers before and after. Stage 1 looks great...what can we expect about stage 2 with bolts on!? 🤤🤯
Greetings from Mexico ✌🏽
Thanks for the comments, if you see the recent video of the IS38 GTI... we see basically the same numbers out of the stage 2 R as that's basically that same setup.
Man I loved the end bloops, been watching y’all for a while now, I’m a golf owner my self and been wanting a dyno tune so bad. But I have some issues rn with spark, everything was good and I’m rebuilding it from a fire, keep it up bro! Btw where you based out of?
Thanks, glad to entertain. lol East Coast Canada.
Thank you for that!!!
Glad you liked.
Basically a stage 2 Mk7 is about as fast as a stage 1 Mk7 Golf R . Simple guys. Great Video btw 🔥
(AWD is really the distinction of R v. GTI)
Great comparo. I just tuned my TTS with Unitronic Stage 1+ (TCU too). Would love to see this comparo for Unitronic.
We don't offer that software here so the only comparison videos we have are folks when switching.
I love how modest APR is with their numbers. Great company that's local to me here in Alabama.
Do you have a clutch recommendation for MK7.5R? Seems like many of the options have lots of bad reviews. I was leaning towards an ACT clutch, I am still stock but would likely go with APR’s high torque 91 tune after the clutch is broken in.
You only hear the bad of clutch stories, keep that in mind. We've used CM and SB the most, however we do use DKM a bit as well.
I have a club sport 2016 GTI with APR 1
Mad!!!!
Cheers, enjoy it.
That's what's up
Is a dsg tune required for low torque 91 file or can the stock DSG handle the additional torque and adjust to the extra power?
Stage 1 for most providers does not require a DSG tune.
I want to see some content on that caddy I understand it's got a Vr6 tucked in there.... nice
You’re in luck. We have 3 videos on our channel on it!
What are your thoughts regarding crank walk on the 7R with an aftermarket clutch? The stock clutch in my car cannot hold stage 1 low torque.
I've seen it happen, but also seen plenty without issues.
@@COMotorsports Any common factors? I noticed the thrust washer revision changed in 2018. I have a '16.
2 funny guys glad you still enjoy it all a Hilarious
Thanks. 👍
How reliable would you say the high torque stage 1 tune is on a stock build with the Apr intake??
Just As reliable as the car is.
According to VW specs the MK7 Golf R has 292hp. I spoke to APR and was told stage 1 would bump me up by 60-80hp on the low torque version. Now I don't know what to believe? I love my R but without a real Dyno you can't tell.
This is wheel HP not Crank, and this is on 91oct. Not 93 which is more common. If you watch the video and the results you will see we've actually gained more HP then what APR claims. ;)
Hey David, I'm in NS, MK7.5 Golf R 6MT with 50k kms, any thoughts on how the stock clutch would hold up with the APR low torque file? Daily driver car, no track/autocross. Thanks!
Plenty of clients with that or higher stages with stock clutch, plenty have needed to upgrade as well. All comes down to how the clutch was broke in an the life it's lived. So Impossible to say. What I can say is if you're planning to go down the modifications world there's lots of power potential so just add a clutch to the list. We keep kits in stock.
@@COMotorsports Sure thing, the advice is much appreciated. Once powertrain warranty is up next fall I will most likely be in touch for a Sachs clutch. Thanks!
Have you compared 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for those same profiles?
No, but typically APRs numbers are on point and they have a lot of that data on their website. Which most don't.
I just got a mk8 GTI and it came out of factory with 241 hp and 270 torque im considering doing a stage 1 tune where do you think my numbers will be thanks.
Any of the major providers like APR, have the data on their website.
I'd like to know how much power I am losing from not upgrading my intercooler. Today was unseasonably warm, and I was surprised by how sluggish my car felt compared to how it performs in cooler weather (50F vs 80F). I have APR stage 2 on my 2016 GTI....stock except for downpipe and southbend clutch
Power to be had with an intercooler upgrade. More importantly though less heat soak, which means run after run you won't notice it like you did today. That's More important to me as it keeps it consistent.
61 wheel for a flash is insane! Maybe I should flash the wife's S3, lol.
Exactly, these cars should not be running around stock with all that can be had out of a tune. Even on 100% daily drivers.
@@COMotorsports These Golf R's can safely stay in stage 1 all day ! I myself have a 17 R DSG. I can't wait for an EQT, IE or APR stage 1 !
@@n0ly77 great cars for sure.
Hi! Can 6 speed manual take low torgue map?
The transmission isn't the problem, it's the clutch. Transmission is fine for high torque+.
Omg I roared at the credits. Baaahahahah.
Can you do this same video but with stage 2?
We are not paid for these video's and they're not sponsored. So we do video's as opportunities come up. If that opportunity comes up, or if you're interested in supporting the video we'd gladly make it happen.
I have a 2013 A4 quattro what hp/tq gain would I be looking at and would it be worth it in the long run?
Definitely worth it, without question.
Check out their website... goapr.com
The numbers should be very similar for a stage 1 tune. 256 hp and 301 lb ft torque on 91 octane
Doesn’t having it FWD on the Dyno vs AWD change the numbers ?
Nope, if it does its so minimal. We've dynoed plenty of MK7Rs as well as MK7 GTIs with IS38 Golf R turbos and the numbers are near identical between the two.
Can you flash back to stock from stage 1 ? W/O The dealer knowing
@The Insufferable Tool Thank you
I wonder if the results would align better to APRs results if you were able to perform the same tests on an All wheel dyno? 🤔
Not sure I follow. We seen comparable gains to what APR claims, infact a bit more.
@@COMotorsports I forgot to mention. This is great stuff man. Love these tests. Just curious if taking the rear wheels out of the equation makes a difference in drivetrain loss. Possible a reason why you numbers seem higher than APRs??? I have no experience tuning with a dyno. Just love learning how this stuff works...
On a haldex vehicle little to none I'd say based on how it works.
I take less than 4 to 60 mph and if I use only gear 2 i can get from 0-75 in same time. Rolling start from 10 to 75 it´s 3 seconds or less. Quite a numbers for a 10 years old car with 90 thousand mails driven having pedal to the medal when not stuck in traffick.
Have you ever done a TIGUAN ALL WHEEL DRIVE
Like converting a FWD Tiguan to AWD? No, those vehicles are a dime a dozen around here in AWD so it wouldn't make much sense.
Noice
isnt the golf r rated to 290 hp? why is it 259 stock? is it due to the 91 octane?
Factory measures are at the crank, these are wheel horsepower numbers. General estimate is about 15% drive-train loss when comparing wheel hp to crank hp.
How come your mkr only 250hbp in the UK my golf r made 310bhp standard 🤔
WHP
this 7R stage 1 power figure is almost similar to stage 2 hpfp on the 6R. 😥
The 7R is a beast of a car.
Flashers are so other dynos know an R is coming through.
What about using an octane boost to get 93?
Not sure I follow what the first part of your statement is referring too. Second part....some stuff works but most is junk.
i want a CO Motorsports shirt that just says "the front wheel drives"
lol One of one.
Is that your shop Dyno
Yes sir.
These numbers be exactly the same with the haldex plugged in ?
With the Haldex unplugged it's still turning the front axles, front angle drive, and driveshaft. This is the exact same way it is when driving on the street 90% of the time. The only time the rear axles are powered is when there is slip on the front tires. So lets say you did a pull on the highway in 3-4th gear with Haldex plugged in... and did a pull in 3-4th gear with it unplugged... the car is going to accelerate the exact same because the AWD is not going to engage as there would be lots of traction.
So the answer is yes. We unplug it for safety so there's no chance of it engaging the rears.
Gotcha I figured it was some fake awd trickery 😂
@@hawaiianpunch20v Nothing fake about it. These are primarily FWD vehicles until the front wheels slip.
CO Motorsports yeah I was kidding the guy at DAP made a video of hadlex awd he kept calling it a fake awd until the end when he said it was an alright system lol
I like the Golf R, I’m in the market for a newer car to daily and I’m kind of leaning towards one of these or maybe just a Silverado 😂
so, its a 2.0t ea888 ... same engine as my audi quattro. your first pull was 250 stock, 305 ish stage 1.. so apparently my hp is 211ps ...why is that? over all mass of vehicle? what's apr claim on 2.0 tfsi cdnc audi quattro b8.5 @27k miles?
Depends what year Audi you have. This is the gen 3 engine, which is technically EA888.3 not EA888.
@@COMotorsports 2013 buddy
@@COMotorsports b8.5
@@blizteredthumbs7911 not the same as this. Your engine would essentially be the same as the MK6 GTI.
@@COMotorsports where would you find the stamp that states ea888 1,2,3? I know where chassis, colour etc is all located, approval number etc, but where would it state the engine code other than cdnc Like what you state. I suspect I'm ea888 2 ? As it's the facelift from the b8
Wonder what gains 93 would be? Nice vid
slightly higher. I believe these are SAE correct runs also which do measure lower than most who use STD correction.
@@COMotorsports Very cool! I was looking into IE for my stage 1, however I really don't think you could go wrong with them or APR.
Can the stock clutch handle stage 1 low torque?
It can...but for how long, not quite sure. A lot of it depends on driving habits really.
I've been on stage 1 high torque for two years 30k+ stock clutch with no issues. I drive the car like it's a rented mule too (no dragstrip passes though) and it doesn't slip at all.
@@TheFlyingPLiner Some luck out for sure, but I suspect your day is coming. :)
@@COMotorsports oof, don't say that 😛
@@TheFlyingPLiner truth hurts. lol
So your still making less than a standard European spec car due to 91 fuel…. Amazing how much difference fuel makes. Great video 👏🏻
why would anybody go with low tq file? do you need more mods if you wa to go with high tq tune?
Clutch primarily
@@COMotorsports i see. so even on DSG? High tq file need dsg tune as well?
OK VW states that the 2016 Golf R has a factory HP rating of 292 What's the deal? Your pull only put out 257.
You need to read what the difference is between wheel HP and crank HP. There is a difference.
@@COMotorsports Ok so vw is stating 292 crank HP -10% for FWD is a 30HP loss
@@a914freak do more homework
The dirty gloves. Great video though.
good work but bruh those gloves oil gloves on the steering wheel 😕
If theyre not leaving dirt on my bright silver keyboard on my laptop then they're clearly not dirty enough to put dirt on a leather wheel.
Whats 61 whp in bhp?
The general rule of thumb is add 15% so in this case... it would be right around 70bhp.
@@COMotorsports ohhh ok thanks. Also why are the dyno numbers so low? Is that because its a 2 wheel dyno? Because a golf r with a 70bhp increase should be around 370bhp not 302... Thats the bhp from factory lol
@@Nazk410 not sure why you think they're low. They're right where they should be. VW says between 265-310 crank hp depending on trim/package. We got 255whp adding an average of 15% to that brings us to 293hp. Which puts it right in line. The key to this though is a dyno is a measuring tool to measure gains....and gains we got. :)
@@COMotorsports ohh sorry my bad i thought it was 255 bhp not whp i misheard you🤐. Anyway great video keep up the good work😊
@@Nazk410 thanks. Appreciate the feedback. 👍
They are better. My Polo R WRC with apr stage 1 promises 315+ hp and 450 Nm and stage 1+ aka same but with apr fuel pumps would give 370+ hp. Ì won some better Tesla S model, not plaid but still on a rolling 20Kmh to 190Kmh . Tesla having about 180 at the end of the straight. It was about 300 meters or less. It propably has 350+ and with fuel pumps would go over 400. Their estimates are either bhp or seriously down estimated.
We have shell 99+ octane on pump so that might bring some difference. WTF I have more im my Polo R. Don't ruin that engine with 91 MAN! Get e85 program or better gas.
Sort of impossible to do when it's not available. 😉
@@COMotorsports How? What an earth? You should order some additive octane raiser or perhaps methanol water injection? And on top of racing fuel, atleast in europe you can order a barrel of pump fuel from shell. Our 99+ even has a drop of nitromethane on it on top of some other additives that are inspired or used by the fuel they use in formula 1 Ferrari.
@@COMotorsports But again another proof of how much VAG engines can handle variation in fuel. Is it state dependant or whole country or just your town.
hmm... Where the drifting guys get their fuel... Rob Dahm orders his e85 by the barrels.
91 octane? damm thats terrible. the budget fuel near my house in 97 and the good stuff is 99.
RON vs. AKI. In America they measure octane differently using AKI. Rest of the world use RON. 91 AKI = 95 RON and 93 AKI = 98 RON.
So yeah, it's sad that they don't have 98 octane (ron) available, but it's not terrible since they atleast have access to the "normal" 95 octane (ron) fuel. That's what most cars require at least.
Can't help but cringe at the dirty gloves whilst touching the interior....other than that, useful vid
You can relax, no interiors were harmed in making of this video.
dirty gloves in a nice car... wow
It's ruined for sure now.
That cool not prefect horsepower because you live Canada 487 m (1,598 ft) high sea level , turbocharger compresses the air flowing into the engine. ... The air is thinner at high altitudes than at low altitudes; therefore the air running into the engine is also less dense than usual, and less effective at burning fuel. This means less horsepower. if you live in south America. if I live in Austin it would be 489 feet elevation of any city is the term given to denote how high the location is in relation to sea level. Austin, Texas, has an elevation of 489 feet (149 m), which is typical of most major cities more horsepower hungry thick air.! cool facts!
Thanks, but we leave at sea level. I can pretty much throw a rock into the ocean from the shop. :)
@@COMotorsports hehe why not !
Clown Ass APR popping motors since 2012.
You realize that APR has more cars tuned in this world then any other company...by A LOT. They're the leader in the industry for a reason, and that's due to providing great product. There's very few products on the market that compare to their quality and fit and finish. We know this due to having most product in VW/Audi world in our hands to actually see the difference. Say what you will but as someone who's used it all, not just 1 or 2 products I speak with experience.
@@COMotorsports Leader in the Industry? LOL Sorry But Cobb AP and e tuners have taken over.
@@ivdubgti if you think COBB is on more VW/Audi's then APR you're living in the dark sorry. APR has been in this market for 20+ years, also APR can be purchased at the dealer with warranty. Although that may not mean much to you and I, that's a lot of customers before the car even left the lot. I've been doing this a long time, whether you like it or not, it's facts.
@@ivdubgti lol....so wrong. APR has been and still is the leader in tuned VAG cars.
It’s stock. Completely stock. But it has this this this this and this. But it’s totally stock. lol
This video is about HP gains....the engine is stock. There are no power adders on this aside from the tune.
CO Motorsports I know. Just funny how he stated it’s completely stock but then stated it had mods. Then it’s NOT stock.
How reliable are these cars really when making this much Hp?
They can make a lot more then this reliably.