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I like this build. People wondering about the stock exhaust but the real restriction on these cars is the DP with 2 cats. Stock exhaust is fine even at these power levels. Skip the boy racer noise and keep it sleeper.
my feed is full of gtis... algo trying to brainwash me into buying the car lol :DD i see common pattern to be.. tuning the car to up to 300-350hp and i never see anyone restoring the block itself or cylinders , rods , bearings my question is how much abuse and beating do stock can handle?
@@Microphunktv-jb3kj Gen 3+ ea888 motors can reliably make 400-450 on stock internals, no issue. But fueling, the stock turbo, clutch & trans become weak links once you get past a basic stage 2 setup. 300-350 is common because it's cheap & easy to attain with basic bolt on's an a tune and you can still maintain decent fwd drivability (400+hp in a fwd = spinning ain't winning)
Awesome, love the choice of speakers. Looking forward to the next episode. P.s. would love to see you guys do a sound install for a Vw kombi........just saying it should happen in the near future
@@OrjonZvery true, didn’t pay that much attention. Somewhat misleading to not give peak stock figures and compare those to peak modified figures though
177 tq at 6500rpm. The turbo flow drops off a lot at peak rpm for is20. The. They showed peak torque at 3000rpm for the is38. A. It inconsistent. For racing torque at 4000-6500rpm matters more than 3000 as you only see 3000rpm on first gear
No idea why but the quoted 177lbs,ft was the figure it was producing at max power & not the peak torque figure as standard. The standard output for an early mk7 is ~215hp/250lbs.ft A pity the vid didn’t quote like for like!
Most tuners say to keep it below 400whp/440wtq for a daily driver on pump gas. With E85 you can push closer to 450hp/475tq. There are people pushing higher numbers on the stock engine but thats a rough guideline
bro pls.. pre-lube the turbocharger prior to first start up !! 😖 add clean engine oil to the oil inlet of the turbo while turning the shaft by hand until oil comes out of the drain...
I didn't see a series 3 revision or aftermarket turbo inlet pipe? Unless the ramair induction kit comes with the inlet pipe in the kit? 🤙 The inlet pipe makes a huge difference to these cars due to the factory one being very bulky/restrictive internally
Looks like it was actually make 394lb ft back at 4500 RPM, but that dropped off to 351 at 6350rpm. So it would seem they focused on top end performance vs midrange.
Do you have a comparison torque and power graph of both hybrid IS20 and IS38? I wonder if targeting the same ~450bhp would be nicer to drive with a lower boost pressure on the IS38 hybrid? Let's face it, these cars struggle for traction off the line so low torque isn't gonna be helping you there
I still think it's bonkers VW didn't give the MK7 GTI's slotted brakes or even the R style brakes. The MK8 GTI front brakes are a MASSIVE improvement imo.
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It all depends on how you drive it. If you're foot on the floor every chance you get you'll undoubtedly have a shorter service life. If you're only occasionally stomping your foot to the floor you'll enjoy a longer life.
@Brandon S nah the motors are essentially the same as a golf r... going to this level is only stage 2 golf r but its more potent due to it being lighter
@@arronlowley5659Maybe the customer still wanted to keep that sort of stock spool but with the advantage of being hybrid which means way more power on the higher revs without the turbo choking up there
@@TIM612826£4k-£5k+ if it's a manual it's another £2k for a clutch Much easier & cheaper to go stage 2 on a golf r Stage 3 front wheel drive is close to undriveable My golf r is stage 2 & wheelspins in 3rd🤦
@@bravosava I was just surprised that with the scale of the engine upgrades they didn't fit the PP brakes - VW original etc - instead of just changing disks and pads.
Doesn't really matter on these engine's if they've been taken care off. These 2.0's have a few flaws but once you go S3 you'll have everything sucky about them done and renewed anyway. My MK7 GTI had a stage 3 conversion done at 175000 KMs, and it's now at 215000 without any leaks/issues. Should really let this be done by people who work on VW's all the time. I'm a certified VW mechanic myself so I did all the part conversions myself, had it dyno'd and tuned and it's been mad ever since. Big tip, don't go for a mad crackle map, it'll drive you insane after 500km (speaking from experience lol)
Oh and just buy parts that are tested/fitted like RAM air intakes, the turbo elbow etc. Don't fabricate too much yourself as parts are easily available and very good quality.
Yes. Clutch kit, as well as clutch components (short shift kit, weighted shift knob, etc.). Sachs is best kit for DMF. SMF, I recommend XClutch Stage 2, ACT Stage 3, or ECS Stage 4.
It's absolutely a FMIC. It mounts in front of the engine. Unlike some older GTIs that are mounted on the side. Or a Subaru that mounts on the top of the engine (TMIC). The F (front) in FMIC is its location relative to the engine.
Hi, nice video. What TTE turbo do you recommend if going from is38 (Clubsport), aim around 420-450HP? What other parts must be replaced as well? It´s 6 speed manual.
if its 420 there is a reason for that - MAPS 420 will be absolutely tuned to perfection and better than some other claim of 450 that wont be anything near as good as their 420 - not all numbers mean more power - quality over quantity lad
That's cool project. I have a gti mk6 with 500 hp .bulit and bule printed engine. With 4340 rods and JE pistons flow the head from AFR and air /water cooler and custom intake manifold and a 101 ball bearing turbo.she is fast beast
You know theyre a good shop when they torque the oil filter with a totque wrench lol
I like this build. People wondering about the stock exhaust but the real restriction on these cars is the DP with 2 cats. Stock exhaust is fine even at these power levels. Skip the boy racer noise and keep it sleeper.
Definetly right!
my feed is full of gtis... algo trying to brainwash me into buying the car lol :DD
i see common pattern to be.. tuning the car to up to 300-350hp
and i never see anyone restoring the block itself or cylinders , rods , bearings
my question is how much abuse and beating do stock can handle?
@@Microphunktv-jb3kj Gen 3+ ea888 motors can reliably make 400-450 on stock internals, no issue. But fueling, the stock turbo, clutch & trans become weak links once you get past a basic stage 2 setup. 300-350 is common because it's cheap & easy to attain with basic bolt on's an a tune and you can still maintain decent fwd drivability (400+hp in a fwd = spinning ain't winning)
Nothing beats the awesome music 🎶 from the VR6 R32 engine
I loved my 15 Sport Pack manual, IS38 stage 3, pulled hard and was an excellent daily.
What happened to it ?
@@gmann569 Sold it for a change in lifestyle from rural to urban.
Good to see Ben Boshing a Video 😎
We totally agree! 😎
Awesome, love the choice of speakers.
Looking forward to the next episode.
P.s. would love to see you guys do a sound install for a Vw kombi........just saying it should happen in the near future
Another epic build
Thank you! 😎
Damn I would love to build my mk6 stage 3 with this guy he knows his shit
177 torque stock? Must have had some serious issues
Was more like 250 if u look at the graph.
@@OrjonZvery true, didn’t pay that much attention. Somewhat misleading to not give peak stock figures and compare those to peak modified figures though
@@BBLMAC It looks like they gave the power output at the same rev level though so its still somewhat accurate
177 tq at 6500rpm. The turbo flow drops off a lot at peak rpm for is20. The. They showed peak torque at 3000rpm for the is38. A. It inconsistent. For racing torque at 4000-6500rpm matters more than 3000 as you only see 3000rpm on first gear
No idea why but the quoted 177lbs,ft was the figure it was producing at max power & not the peak torque figure as standard. The standard output for an early mk7 is ~215hp/250lbs.ft
A pity the vid didn’t quote like for like!
Great video thank you for explanation
Awesome video guys 👏
Thank you 😎
What about engine mounts ,fwd etc.. do they last long?
I just went from gtd 184hp to R level 2.0tsi 300hp stage 1 and still get scared of how fast the car is. Maybe in a year I will tune the car to 400HP
What is the maximum hp and torque for a stock GTI engine ?
Most tuners say to keep it below 400whp/440wtq for a daily driver on pump gas. With E85 you can push closer to 450hp/475tq. There are people pushing higher numbers on the stock engine but thats a rough guideline
@@jasoncavanagh1048 thank you 🙏
@Jason Cavanagh about 450hp is the safe limit
@@ronburgundy4375 I said for a daily, and it all depends on how much boost you're making too
It's not so much the engine but your drive train.
How much does the stage 3 package cost with out the brakes upgrade??
You don’t wanna stop???😂
@@ace147BSB Silly goose. You can stop without brakes, it's just going to take longer.
That laugh at 8:11 is all too familiar..😂
Very nice Work ❤
What a lovely lesson thanks,good job.
This is great. And what would something like this cost as in a total package please ?
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bro pls.. pre-lube the turbocharger prior to first start up !! 😖 add clean engine oil to the oil inlet of the turbo while turning the shaft by hand until oil comes out of the drain...
it takes days to put a build like this together, you have watched a 15 minute snippet of it … what are you on about 🤣
@@bendunn2727 Oh really?? 🤣
@@jachpriboy8989 yeah dumbass. These guys know WAY more than you’ll ever know. Just shut your idiot mouth.
@Ben Dunn lol takes days to do this. Nah
My car now is stgae 2 98 fuel mk7.r i have ie intercooler and xforce downpipe with ie air intake and ngk race plug what i needs to upgrade to stage 3
I would be happy with that much power.
Theres never enough power
Can you Map MPI injectors? I've got a 980cc mpi kit with a Bartek 590lph intake pump,
Venom 550 turbo.
But I'm looking for mapping.
Brilliant video nice power output
Thanks for the support. 😎
thanks for uploading. do you know what causes the exhaust to pop when shifting. I'm not a fan of farts and need help knowing what to do?
My car looks fully stock on the outside but it is pushing 345hp. Went for a sleeper build so i could lure in v8s and have a laugh
I didn't see a series 3 revision or aftermarket turbo inlet pipe? Unless the ramair induction kit comes with the inlet pipe in the kit? 🤙 The inlet pipe makes a huge difference to these cars due to the factory one being very bulky/restrictive internally
It doesn’t make a difference at all dude, mine dynod the same with and without it
Why is torque so low? Safety precautions?
Looks like it was actually make 394lb ft back at 4500 RPM, but that dropped off to 351 at 6350rpm. So it would seem they focused on top end performance vs midrange.
What about a DSG Tune? I sure hope it’s not still stock.
He did say ECU and TCU tune in the video.
Ah, good, I’m so relieved!
Do you have a comparison torque and power graph of both hybrid IS20 and IS38? I wonder if targeting the same ~450bhp would be nicer to drive with a lower boost pressure on the IS38 hybrid? Let's face it, these cars struggle for traction off the line so low torque isn't gonna be helping you there
I still think it's bonkers VW didn't give the MK7 GTI's slotted brakes or even the R style brakes. The MK8 GTI front brakes are a MASSIVE improvement imo.
U get r style on the performance pack but its still 1 piston
Macan brake upgrade is easy to do and relatively affordable. I've had mine for 3 years and it's been perfect.
Whats the price on this set up supplied and fitted?
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How is that pittin power down ?
What does a stock to stage 3 jump in power do to the life expectancy of these EA888 engines?
It all depends on how you drive it. If you're foot on the floor every chance you get you'll undoubtedly have a shorter service life. If you're only occasionally stomping your foot to the floor you'll enjoy a longer life.
@Brandon S nah the motors are essentially the same as a golf r... going to this level is only stage 2 golf r but its more potent due to it being lighter
Why is that turbo €2500?! I can get an upgraded IS38+ for less than half the price here in the states…
Nice and clear. The is38 turbo would be harder to fit or just cost more?
Most is38 hybrids are about 1500usd that's not bad for 200hp over stock
the tte turbos cost a fortune, the customer could have 100% had a hybrid is38 for cheaper than this hybrid is20.
@@arronlowley5659is20 just spools faster so that’s why some people choose it.
@@arronlowley5659Maybe the customer still wanted to keep that sort of stock spool but with the advantage of being hybrid which means way more power on the higher revs without the turbo choking up there
So question does it even matter if the intercooler upgrade in stock place or the small one that’s lower and shows from the grill.
how much is a stage 3 upgrade on a GTI mk7 / 7.5?
Yeah yeah. Dream on with stock con rods 😂
???? These engines do 500bhp quite happily 🤣
Please go back and clean the suspension assembly 🙏🏼 my OCD bro🫠
Basically get a gti and dump like 6k into it it'll be fun and reliable. 400hp on one of these is Basically hellcat fast
Even better idea get a golf r & put £1500 into it for stage 2 much more driveable car especially on damp uk roads
My mk8 golf r with a stage 1 is almost 400 crank with just an intercooler and intake. Awd for the snow. Best daily you could ask for.
Do I have to make adjustments to the ECU map?
What is a TOTAL PRICE from stock to stage 3?
Anyone plese😁
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No upgraded engine cooling required??
IS20 hybrid or is38 ? I want to go stage 3 I have an audi TT mk3
whats the torque steer like at that power?
Does the stock low pressure fuel pump cope?
What spark plugs did u use?
How much were all the new parts?
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When you upgrade the brakes, can there be problems that occur with adaptive cruise control? or does the computer figure it out itself?
No there should be any problem the car dosent know you changed the brakes
Nah , nothing like that happens
Don't install LPFP ?
Stage 3 build price?
Would you sell the bin file map stage 3
How is the reliability ons a stage 3 vw like this?
if you don't drive it like a black horse all the time. it will be good
Was exited for the video, see’s DSG…..leaves chat😕
oww.. what is this dyno device called
6:45
Hey how did y’all put the front mount with the adaptive cruise control sensor right there ???
Does it throw a code when u remove the sensor
What turbo is that?
what was the cost for this ? parts and labour included ? Also after the stage 3 what is the 0 -100kmph ? Thanks
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@@MotorsportPerformance Easter isn't a bank holiday!
Yes a ball park figure would be nice...
0-100 is useless with 2 front wheels drive... you have to consider the 100-200..and this thing now is moving
@@TIM612826£4k-£5k+ if it's a manual it's another £2k for a clutch
Much easier & cheaper to go stage 2 on a golf r
Stage 3 front wheel drive is close to undriveable
My golf r is stage 2 & wheelspins in 3rd🤦
Are these the "Performance Pack" brakes? If not, why not fit them?
They not, the performance pack brakes has GTI written on them in the front.
@@bravosava I was just surprised that with the scale of the engine upgrades they didn't fit the PP brakes - VW original etc - instead of just changing disks and pads.
100-200 times ! ???
What mileage was this on when you installed all this?
Doesn't really matter on these engine's if they've been taken care off. These 2.0's have a few flaws but once you go S3 you'll have everything sucky about them done and renewed anyway. My MK7 GTI had a stage 3 conversion done at 175000 KMs, and it's now at 215000 without any leaks/issues. Should really let this be done by people who work on VW's all the time.
I'm a certified VW mechanic myself so I did all the part conversions myself, had it dyno'd and tuned and it's been mad ever since.
Big tip, don't go for a mad crackle map, it'll drive you insane after 500km (speaking from experience lol)
Oh and just buy parts that are tested/fitted like RAM air intakes, the turbo elbow etc. Don't fabricate too much yourself as parts are easily available and very good quality.
@@MaikDreijer wow! Makes me want one! Had an edition 30 years and knew these were good engines
@@MaikDreijerwhat state are you in you do work on mk6 Gli in Ga
Would there be any additional parts required for a manual version of that car? (For a similar power figure)
stronger clutch
We would recommend upgrading the clutch for a manual box. Something on the lines of a Sachs Performance Clutch Kit. 😎
Yes. Clutch kit, as well as clutch components (short shift kit, weighted shift knob, etc.).
Sachs is best kit for DMF. SMF, I recommend XClutch Stage 2, ACT Stage 3, or ECS Stage 4.
How much?
424hp that's the limit of the back muffler get that off there
whats the link for the turbo?
TTE485
I can’t imagine this surviving only because the clutch is trash. Everything else can handle it
214hp stock? They're supposed to have 245hp, isn't that a bit low?
Actually no, there a many versions :
-220hp
-230hp
-245hp
This one looks to be the first one's, so a 220hp one
@@maxly501That’s wrong too there’s only two and the power levels are 210 and 220
@@wedrivebynight Nop, there's no 210hp mk7 GTI, you must be talking about the mk6.
Definitely not a FMIC hence why the Intercooler is still in between AC and Rad…
It's absolutely a FMIC. It mounts in front of the engine. Unlike some older GTIs that are mounted on the side. Or a Subaru that mounts on the top of the engine (TMIC). The F (front) in FMIC is its location relative to the engine.
Lool a factory mount intercooler is the most efficient go do your research first
It is actually like that on most VW's, it's between the radiator and the AC condenser , actually quite a good setting from factory
Technically still front mounted dipshit
What all for fueling? I am running a 60mm on a mk6 gli and cannot figure a clear cut option ? I am maxed on fuel rn is it just upgraded hpfp?
Hi, nice video. What TTE turbo do you recommend if going from is38 (Clubsport), aim around 420-450HP? What other parts must be replaced as well? It´s 6 speed manual.
go garret power max, you’ll get more power
Stock exhaust and stock clutch’s 😂
That's more HP than FWD handles.... will be spending a fortune on front tires!
Saw some guy saying he’s gti chewed through brand new set of good quality tires a month haha
You might go to about 245 rubber instead of 225 and you'll get longer life because of less slip on the gas.
Ain't 450bhp 🙄
Non vaq diff and 500hp 😂😂😂😂😂
literally the most annoying accent in the world
So customer wanted 450 and u gave him 420 set up 😅😂
The customer wanted to aim between 400-450bhp.
if its 420 there is a reason for that - MAPS 420 will be absolutely tuned to perfection and better than some other claim of 450 that wont be anything near as good as their 420 - not all numbers mean more power - quality over quantity lad
@@Lord.Crawford 100% agree. It's about how the car feels and drives. Well said.
Car could do with a LPFP, it's done circa 75k miles and we hadn't planned or budgeted for it. No doubt it will come back in the future :)
@@Lord.Crawford it’s all down to tune quality . But put 2 same cars with same tuner on one with 420 other with 450 hp. What’s going to be quicker ? .
E ci vuole le pinze a 6 pompanti per i freni
No charge pipes ?
That's cool project. I have a gti mk6 with 500 hp .bulit and bule printed engine. With 4340 rods and JE pistons flow the head from AFR and air /water cooler and custom intake manifold and a 101 ball bearing turbo.she is fast beast
Yeah my buddy has a. Z06 corvette and he can't stay up with me lol..vw gti forever .
god, how much did that run you lol
I think I got 3k in it..
@@davidwickhamrc3899 that's it??
+ 1200 for turbo .for got
Hi what is the life span of a stage 3 upgrade on the golf 7
Mines been is38 fbo on 93 with a super aggressive ecu and dsg tune for about a year and I’ve had no problems
Do I have to have an intercooler to run stage 2?
Yess
OEM can get heat soak issues if you're on it long enough, often enough. Any power increase is going to tax the whole system with extra heat.
Can i get a job there as well? i want to learn 🧠 how to do this line of work💪 lads.💥💥💥💥💨💨💨💨
Why would you do open airbox? Hella engine heat soak
is it legal?