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Is Captain Marvel Actually a Hero?
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What makes a superhero?
Is it simply strength? Is it power? Or do we only become heroic when we do heroic things?
As Marvel Studio's newest film, "Captain Marvel" hits theaters, this episode of Out of Frame looks at Carol Danvers' actions and motivations in some of the more recent comics to find out if she is actually a heroic character.
NOTE: There are no spoilers for the MCU film in this video (we haven't seen it yet), but there are spoilers for Marvel's Civil War and Civil War II story lines in the comics.
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Written & Produced by Sean W. Malone
Edited by Arash Ayrom & Sean W. Malone
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Captain America says: you can’t just tell people to get in line by threatening them
Captain Marvel says: If it works it’s right
Like trying to hammer a square into a cirle
That's why Captain America is my favorite superhero (A genuine sense of goodness, humility and selflessness), and why Captain Marvel is a nasty, narcissistic, self- righteous rhymes- with- witch with the potential to become a full- fledged supervillain.
Isn't that fascism or communism
@@Adamguy2003 Captain Marvel? more like Captain Communist Dictator to me.
@ didn't communism also slaughter millions and didn't facism do that to In the hands of Hitler who slaughtered millions of Jews because they were most likely to rise up against him
“Every time someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocent people die. Every time.”
- Steve Rogers
To be fair in war innocent people also die. Often a lot of them. Covert operations are most likely to prefer over having started all the machines of war. The only question is do we want freedom (and thus can be robbed or killed by strangers) and responsibility or slavery and safety (as long as you do not step out of line)?
vincentgraymore the point is that it’s impossible to avoid tragedy and war. Only to be prepared for when that tragedy happens. You can’t slap a bandaid on a dead body expecting it to come back to life... but you can prepare for when those tragedies happen to make sure we have the highest probability of having the minimum amount of tragedy happening...
Seriously to try to assume that we can prevent a war “thousands dying” is a better terms of preventing tragedy than allowing countless millions dying in constant carnage of war. But here is the problem most people don’t understand. Diplomacy and room to talk between the two fighting sides is way too late to attempt when one side already attacked... war is complex and won’t always be as simple as you might think.
Stepping on peoples rights to prevent a tragedy is the same as arresting a kid for committing murder in the future so that kid can’t be given a life to live in public anymore just because one of the millions of possibilities that he will commit murder when he’s 35 years olds? Well that’s not fair or due process of what freedom really is...
vincentgraymore also being robbed is always a possibility regardless of being free or not. But freedom to defend yourself and your property is the right and responsibility you have when it comes to being free.
True that!
I believe in people's right to self determinate their own futures. Freedom is extremely chaotic and messy. But I would rather take it and live the my life my way than enforced "safety". People die every day that is a fact. But this doesn't mean life isn't worth living. You just cannot let fear cripple you.
Ironically, The Punisher, an antihero that takes on the role of Judge Jury and Executioner, has a better moral compass than space karen
When you Tony Stark AND the Punisher have better morales, you are truly a very screwed up person.
@@RineYFD Tony changed but I agree with punisher
DUDE, the punisher extinguished the entire human race, I can see you don't read comics and just watch the quarterings videos, heck the punisher killed two innocent kids because they were trying to stand up to their dad
@@felipe3724 and yet he has a better moral compass than space Karen, crazy uh?
Karol's moral compass only points to herself.
What she does is right, because she is the one doing it.
I don’t know why everyone hates Captain Marvel so much, he’s powerful he has Wisdom of Solomon, Strength of Hercules, Stamina of Atlas..........
Oh shit wrong franchise
HAHAHAHA, that was pretty good
Nah, we all love that guy.
What you mean?
That guy is pretty lovable
@@Justwatchingvideos010
The joke
Your head
Ms. Marvel Carol would sit on Billy's face.
But Captain Marvel Billy would sit in Carol's face.
"Captain Marvel should pick up where Captain America left off."
-yeah no
*Closes book* Like that’s ever gonna happen
@@theonlyethanhiroshiki an argument could be made that Thor is as stronger or maybe stronger than captain marvel
@@theonlyethanhiroshiki The One Above All,Legion,Scarlet Witch,Deadpool,Lady Death,Ghost Rider,and of course The One Below All.
@@PirateCat822 Thor is also more powerful than her.
'Illegal alien attacks innocent black teen, war veteran saves the day'
is literally Carol Danvers attacking Miles Morales, and Captain America saving him
Carol is not an illegal alien. She was born in the US, and is a high ranking officer of the US air force, the accident that made her an alien hybrid happened way after in her life. So the correct wording would be "Retired US military attacks innocent black teen, war veteran saves the day". Another could be "NASA's former chief of security attacks innocent black teen, war veteran saves the day". And there are probably many other options. She used to have a rich background but who cares, right? Better make her a one dimensional character that makes stupid decisions.
I wish they hadn't butchered her character. She used to be one of my favorites.
@@Ghostosaurio I agree Civil War 2 really trash her character
Eh
More like space Karen tries to have black kid arrested
Technically Tony saves him first
@@Ghostosaurio wow, you REALLY missed that one...
Kevin Feige: *sees fans unhappy with Captain Marvel being the most powerful* shit, I messed up
*Creates WandaVision*
At least it's closer to comic canon than CM's joke of a movie
i dont see the joke. wandavision is great...
@@jarl428 CM director claims CM is the strongest ( she's not really though) wandavision shows what a real powerhouse can do...I.e. warp reality around her
@@blkbrdmntrvimes6438 yeah. Wanda is overpowered. In comics, she once eradicated all the mutants by just saying the words "No more mutants". The only mutants left were those who were saved in a pocket universe.
@@ayush885 preaching to the choir fellow fan I've read it good stuff
"Is captain marvel actually a hero?"
Short answer: No
@Prinsstar SsTp My bigger answer isn't much bigger, but my idea is that she has so much power that makes her overpowered that she believes that she is better than everyone and can do whatever she wants while believing it is "good" without any repercussions, even if what she is believing is factually not really good at all, like in civil war 2 where she is gonna get rid of miles before he does anything
Bigger answer: No, and no.
They did her character badly in this strip. I think she’s a hero in other comics
@@apexspyder8994 sometimes. But not most times. If the writers aren't absolute morons they can handle her right by changing her. But most of the time she's handled poorly
@@Tainted_Human sadly
“Every time someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocent people die. Every time.”
- MCU Captain America in Avengers: Age Of Ultron.
Winter Soldier actually.
@@aswd90 its aou
If you look at what happened during his time (Pearl Harbor), along with his probably brief examination of history, his comments definitely make sense. And I think he's right to an extent.
She's the most powerful.
aswd90 idiot
"Nobody stays dead in the comics"
You know, except for Uncle Ben.
And Superman's parents
But there’s one person who will never stay dead in our memory
Stan Lee
Ouch
He comes back to life only to die over and over again in the next book or movie
and the Waynes
"Some of you may die, but thats a price im willing to pay" captain farquad
I see you're a man of culture
*Prince
@@SuperSaiyanD48 lord*
@@connordonahue2159 Oh yeah, that's right.
It's really poetic how Carol Danvers accuses Miles Morales of something he didn't do, then Captain America and the real Ms. Marvel have to vouch for him.
Tl;dr: Kamala > Carol
"Every time someone tried to stop a war before it starts innocent people die" - Captain America
Commas are important
That's bullshit.
Well what about when someone DON'T try to stop a war before it starts ? Because I"m pretty sure innocent people still die.
@@Snipfragueur Well yeah thats pretty obvious
Dr Drew Then might as well try to end a war before it starts, so less innocent people die, no ?
Or are you supposed to end the war JUST after it stars, so you limit the casualties, or something ?
I don't know it just sounds dumb.
That's why Steve and Tony made a very good combo. Pragmatism and idealism balancing each other.
Agreed
*Yes*
I'm with that.
And always was
I love this comment.
You know who Captain Marvel kinda reminds me of. Homelander.
Homelander is completely different from Captain Marvel.
Now that you mention it
Bro how rude and insulting can you be?
To homelander
At least Homelander is aware he is a monster and is contantly trying to cover it up, Captain Marvel is so certain she is right, she could kill a 10yo boy and say "no need to thank me, I am a hero" to the parents next to the still burning corpse.
I understand but that is the point of her character. She’s pretentious and self centered brat with a fuck ton of power. That’s the point. She’s fighting for justice, HER JUSTICE. It would have nice if the mcu had gone this route and had fans realized as she continues to appear that “i don’t she’s the good guy”. That would have been an excellent route and genuine start for a bunch of conflicts. But instead they made her a hero
So in the MCU... she can basically shoot lasers with her hands ? Wow... I've never seen that being done by anyone else... Not even Iron Man...
Tbh I think Monica will have spectrum power which allows her to shoot different range of energy blasts(actually she has too many power this is just on of them lol.)
From what I can make out, her powers are flight, shooting stuff out of her hands and ramming into stuff.
@@dannypalin9583so iornman
This "heroine" murdered Tony Stark in the comics
Not murdered, but paralyzed and in coma for who knows how long... Alright, he's pretty much dead.
Eric Reis
It’s fine she’s a whammens.
Tony Stark is a straight white male. It's ok
I say this storyline is a cheap copy of the injustice story in DC. There are similarities in the core storyline.
@ But the cause of the coma that led to her death was she
You just successfully used a fictional universe that everyone is fascinated by to bring to light very real issues in our society that most people seem to be oblivious of. Kudos to you, sir.
I Am Paul well said man
Which means MCU probably won't attempt it
@@Meta.noia_art not really since she is usually attacked as a result of her own words that (while sometimes exaggerated) aren't misinterpreted
He perfectly described the SJW movement
No. Not FEE. Marvel Comics. Marvel Comics deserves SOLE credit for mirroring American society in graphic fiction.
Yup and shows how she feminist lefts are this way they don't agree with free spech arresting people for offensive speech blameing Hite stright males for rape they haven't committed ect and much more yea and the funny part is brie larsons personality litterally matches these issues too..... LuL bat shit crazy sjw feminist lefts athoritarians
And what make it worst.
Peter join her side despite her treatment to everyone and Miles. Which is extremly out of character for him.
Just like when he joined Team Iron Man in the first civil war and got his identity revealed and put mj and aunt may in danger Then joins Team Cap. Hes doing the same shit in this comic now.
@@twizzlerlemonpie3083 Peter of all people should know that revealing your identity puts everyone else at risk. Him revealing his identity for iron man was just WAYYY too out of character for him
Yup just hope it doesn't happen in mcu even tho mysterio reveals it in mcu/sony
@@ilhandaanish2381 yea even people like black panther joined Cap.Marvels side like wtf i thought black panther was better than that.
They probably did that because there's barely none heroes that would side with her
“Captain Marvel is being set up to be the most powerful hero in the marvel cinematic universe”
Wanda after wandavision: “allow me to introduce myself”
Lol wait until they introduce sentry
@@8BitNeuron4808 that would be great Actually
(But then he will be on same tier as thor hulk and hercules (when je appear in thor 4)
I like austin powers version better "allow myself to introduce.........myself"!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wanda has always been one of the most powerful heroes they have if not The most powerful, remember She can rewrite the universe with her powers.
@@8BitNeuron4808 If they do I’m gonna lose my shit. Sentry is one of the greatest Marvel characters EVER!
Why yes. Captain Marvel is a hero!
With the
Wisdom of Solomon
Strength of Hercules
Stamina of Atlas
Power of Zeus
Courage of Achilles
Speed of Mercury
And a pure heart. Billy Batson is definitely a hero.
Not gonna lie, you had us in the first half
Okay okay you got me XD
Legal battles
Lol
Virgin "Captn Marbul" vs CHADZAM
That moment when Hydra Cap was more heroic than Captain Marvel.
Love him or hate him, he spittin heroic fascist facts
That is sad
@@chewyfishlegs7176 9í8n
@______ ⁹⁹í
I’m your 600th like :)
3 Worlds: Kelly Sue Deconnic
She is the reason why Carol Danvers is now what we don't like since she become the writer of Carol Danvers. She was a likeable and normal person, and a good heroine when she was Ms. Marvel, now she is just a Space Karen writing by SJW and modern feminist writers.
Agreed! A lot of people are acting like Carol has always been unlikeable and awful. She used to be an amazing character and hero that inspired many.
I think most of those people never read her earlier comics.
Because new philosophies and Concepts can never be authoritarian . hahahaha... Kill me
@@tylerjamesnazario1770 well, she had some unlikeness and awlfulness before. like joining stark side and supporting the registraction act. yeah, she thought that was the right thing to do, but she also thought that using the future visions/predictions was the right thing.
being fair there bendis wrote civil war 2, not kelly. still, i agree that the way kelly wrote her was bad, not always, but most of the time.
"Captain Marvel is the most powerful hero!"
"Wanda, if you would."
"Ugh, fine." rewrites reality, "Marvel who?"
8:05 : "No one can account for every possible future"
*Stephen Strange:* *_Am I joke to you?_*
Well you just made an argument for why the person to decide should be Dr. Strange NOT Captain Marvel but of course he could also guide it other outcomes.
@@jasonasdecker actually, no. Strange is the smartest because of his ability. But in terms of raw power, Carol, as much as it pains me to say because fuck Carol, is the strongest. She can brute force situations he can't.
@@James.Stark.Ben.Edition wait are we taliing about the comics or dcu because if its comics then i am pretty sure that thor and hulk is stronger
@@James.Stark.Ben.Edition
Even with his modern need Doctor Strange has enough magical might to tell Galactus to go away and the cosmic being would actually listen to him. Carol wouldn't even register to the guy (even aborsbing his energy us pointless as he by nature is her abilities taken to a new level)
At his peak Strange was the only hero to briefly the the infinity gauntlet in a dual only being unable to hold that power was the only reason for his defeat.
James Stark pls go reread comics old man Thor will bitch slap her all day and night.... Like wow the fact u said that just wow bro
Captain Marvel is more like Brie Larson rather than actually Captain Marvel, like in the comics.
I have seen u before
W
Boi I see you literally everywhere.
Oh hi Mark
Just Some Guy without a Mustache bruh are you a ghost or something?
Captain Marvel: **exists**
Satan: *"I just wanna say, I'm a big fan."*
Ever since your attack on the Jedi temple
Satan is a big fan of you
@@arshgrewal9487 So we're just gonna pretend that I don't live in Jedi heaven.
‘Cap, tell him I’m not satan’
Also I’m pretty sure that in the comics she killed tony and then on his death bed, proceeded to tell him how horrible of a person he was.
Bruh her personality is just as horrible as his.
Which comic was this and why did she kill him
@@nevergonnagiveyouup4279 pretty sure it was in one of the Civil War II comics
@@IronStriker-2407 thanks
Why do people like her
Is no one gonna talk about how she threatened to blow off someone's hand unless they gave her his bike
And all he did was ask her to smile.
But dude... It's for the greater good
@Humphrey Rwechungura but it is! Dontcha see that everything ever done "for the greater good" has ALWAYS ended well & perfectly?
Yes guys, Damien is being sarcastic.
But the guy was a proven asshole
And it was a deleted scene, remember?
She actually became a proper villain in the comics. Why am I not surprised
@Matt Murdock the rare CM fanboi is seen in there local habitat.
@@av4960 gaze upon this rare sight you may never see it again
@Matt Murdock
Nc retcon
@Matt Murdock "comically educated"
@Matt Murdock no it's just a funny way of saying it.
Fun fact: in the comics she had a crush on spider-man and venom, and when scorpion got the Symbiote he told spider-man and spidey asked her about it, after she was coy and completely embarrassed when training
With him, I mean she's not the only one who got embarrassed when liking spidey, I mean rogue tried to kiss him (it was because he was being nice to her, which I kinda don't mind because I once liked someone because they were nice to me) anyway there's a bunch it heros which had crushes on spidey, I mean kitty p, jean g, x-23, emma f and I'm pretty sure Medusa (marvel) had crushes on him and tried to either kiss him or show love to him, x-23 got scared and clawed his back when swinging, emma was being a yandere when she found out spider-mans real lifestyle/identity and made MJ hate him for some reason until jean came to let him know which led him to ask her to stop, spider-man kissed jean as saying thank you for saving his ass when they were fighting saber tooth which pissed off Cyclops and Wolverine, and I remember another inhuman said she remembered spidey because he was the guy she knew had a pretty nice bottom which Medusa had agreed on which embarrassed him, I think in the ultimate universe spidey and kitty dated until he realized he was still in love with Mary which lead to him kissing MJ around her and she tried to beat the shit out of him until Iceman saved his ass, dw kitty and x-23 both dated another guy, kitty dated star Lord and I think x-23 fucked/dated Angel
It makes that Endgame seen between her and him weird considering he is a minor
"The complete certainty of her righteousness, and the disregard for due process that comes with it" Sounds a lot like the segment of society that she was meant to represent in the films.
I just realized why her behavior is so different from the first civil war she was in.
She got the Karen haircut in the second war.
Captian Karen vs The manager
@@truches7509 how about manavengers
@@meloneatingwolf1882 xD
Damn, I actually liked her haircut. RIP for me then.
lmfaooo
In Civil War 1, the writers genuinely makes readers to choose sides, both Rogers and Stark have something that can justify their actions.
But in Civil War 2?, Not so much, majority sides with Stark.
G Toyadha Tagya B really I thought most readers sided with Cap even though apparently Tony was supposed to be the one in the right
@@pickedceasar1216 arguable
G Toyadha Tagya B I mean if you can prove me wrong go ahead but I don't really care that much
@@pickedceasar1216 Well yea, I know you won't, that's why I won't even bother. 😂
Tony in civil war was incredibly authoritarian in his decisions, I mean spider man himself says he regrets teaming up with tony and switches to cap's side. Tony in civil war was disgustingly close to being the bad guy, I'll give civil war props for its interesting set up and a better read than the sequel; but this along with it's sequel has the issue of one side showing more sanity than the other.
Honestly, who cares if she’s the strongest? Even if she is the strongest hero, it doesn’t mean she’s the best hero.
yeah she isn,t the strongest anyway hulk is stronger as well as thor
"captain marvel is set up as the most powerful character of the mcu"
wanda maximoff: hold my thanos
Captain Marvel in the Movie: Acts arrogant, and breaks the arm of a guy for just being a bit of a jerk and steals his bike. So heroic!
@Masemeno Nasaku Pff. Just that? In SJW mindset, being called hot and having your ass groped is far worse than being backstabbed by your close friends, drugged and sent into exile in outer space, and be met with aggression when you return ending up with the loss of your new family.
@@bloody4558 and if you say otherwise even if you agree other one is terrible too you are sexist!
@@makaramuss damn really
@@bloody4558 wait? Are you talking about h
Hulk?
I don’t really like the one from the movie. Cocky and holier than thou. It’s annoying how she thought that what she was doing was more important than saving half the universe and ends up failing at the end and getting tony stark killed I’m pasting this where I want it. I want it in a lot of places
Is Captain Marvel a Hero?
Marvel: Well yes but actually no
IM UR FIRST COMENT 》:D
Welp idk what im doin
@@toricrappyprojects5867 hah lol
More of a antie hero
@@Dualbladedscorpion7737 what took u so long to comment?
@@toricrappyprojects5867
It all started when i was born...
Let’s just say DC’s Captain Marvel and Marvels Captain Marvel are polar opposites. One is an arrogant Karan, the other is 14 year old boy 😂😂
one is actually enjoyable to watch lol
why is she considered "the most powerful hero", Thor and Wanda are literally more powerful than her
Thor the literal thunder God and Wanda who is the Scarlet Witch that can bend and change reality with magic, not to mention Dr. Strange who is THE sorcerer supreme. All three of them are way more poweful than her and are all more deserving of being called a hero of Captain Karen.
(I saw WandaVision I know but I still have faith in Wanda)
@@camnunes8847 oh yeah forgot Dr. Strange, and yeah right all that and Captain Karen gets the spotlight
@@PotatoKernels BECAuSe gUys FemAles neeD tO bE mOrE oP gRRRr
Wonder man, Sentry, and even Scorpion(Mac Gargan) can even go toe to toe, if he was actually stronger than Spider-Man.
@@LegacyComics100 we aren’t talking about Shazam lol
Personal opinion, but...
I just couldn't really get attatched to Captain Marvel. She feels too overpowered. The characters of the MCU has a balance of flaws and strengths, and even if the characters are powerful, like Thor or Docter Strange, they show character development. Captain Marvel just feels like an OC I made when I was 11.
Ivan BlancBlack she is a Mary sue nothing more, nothing less. Also her flaw is having no flaws.
@@Mound_Maker
She's also the most unreliable superhero ever. Placing the Captain Marvel film in the 90's automatically damages her reputation because she's been absent for everything that occurred in the Avengers films, the Guardians of the Galaxy films, and Thor: Ragnarok.
@@loudboy317 I don't really agree with that, there's a whole other universe out there and I am sure theres plenty of people who need help
loudboy317 also the fact that the actress that plays her role (Brie Larson) acts like if she herself is captain marvel and is quite disliked by many, doesnt help
zhang Bill I agree, afterall she is more like a hero for the other planets and not earth since it has too many heroes
"Thought the punishment usually came after the crime."
“This isn’t freedom. This is fear.”
“Every time someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocent people die... Every time.”
@@kingpinthe3rd17 well innocent people die when the war starts anyway, just saying
When America is a better Captain than all of Marvel.
ara!
Nah. She has „strength” so she might be the “strongest” but Thor, DR. Strange, Wanda now. And a few more have a LOT more POWER.
Yes.
Thor is the stronger Avenger, he can withstand 5 infinity stones and almost killed Thanos while Captain Marvel couldn’t even withstand the power stone and couldn’t give a scratch to Thanos😂
@ShonenAce because you butthurt fanboys would cry if CM was the one to save the day.
@@avatrice3077 yes because shes a horrible character who we dont care about. It's not about being butthurt or fanboys. Iron man is the one that started this, he should've ended it.
@@db5094 i care tho and a lot of others care about her character.
Also, thats why its not fair to call her an asshole just because she didnt use the gauntlet herself.
@ShonenAce aww, look whos the butthurt tho. Telling lies and thinking their opinion is fact. 🥺
@ShonenAce thanks but no 😊
08:09 "no one can account for every possible future"
Doctor Strange: Hold my 14,000,605 beers
He's gonna get drunk
He missed one
@@thesneakymemedealer5071 Well, he went through 14.000.605 futures using the Time stone and discovered that they had a 1 in 14.000.605 chance of winning.
Well thats why :
magic is Magic
&
Science is Science
Chappie that’s not how any of that works....
Captain America: "I thought the punishment came after the crime."
Fury: "we can't afford to wait that long."
I'm with Cap on this one.
bengreen1012
I was thinking that exact same thing
bengreen1012 Which makes it all the more painful to see that Chris Evans is a phenomenal actor. Him as Cap is someone to aspire to. Evans as himself is almost just as contemptible as Danvers.
Joshua Fogg what did Evans say again I’m curious?
GravitonPlayz I'm curious too.
@@graviton6436 True, Chris Evans is just as "Woke" and sjw as Brie Larson
Captain marvel: kill many innocent lives
People: hey they didn’t do any bad! Your the bad guy!
Captain marvel: *T o o B a d F o r T h e m*
Captain Marvel: I'm the most powerful superhero in the mcu
Wanda Maximoff: ayo bouta ruin this man's whole career
Thor: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And yet she still managed to get her ass handed to her by a Dragonball character and a DC character in 2 Death Battles.
@@GeistDrachen ima say it death battle ain't a very reliable source
@@bobZfish oh I know they're not correct on some of their death battles, but the two they did with Captain Marvel was pretty damn accurate.
@@GeistDrachen I agree with that but they take traits from many different comic series and put them together
Ironic how the hydra agent Cap showed more compassion to Miles than Captain Marvel did
The Hydra Agent Cap knows how Cap thinks and acts, so to prevent his death at the hands of Miles Morales he acted exactly how the real Cap would.
@@TankHunter678 that's because he kinda was the real cap and believed he was doing the right thing.
christian crusader true you could look at it both ways that hydra cap was just acting so to not blow his cover and result in his death by miles
Or that cap is still a good person just with wrong intent as due to red skull and whatever the girls name was who changed him
@@assassinhit6684 I'm going with the latter because that seems to be the intent of the creators, especially when the two caps talk in prison.
If I'm not mistaken (spoilers ahead) when the tesseract rewrote reality to make steve a Hydra member it remade this world's hydra into a somewhat good hydra with good ideals which is why Cap joined in the first place and is why Cap kills red skull later
I might have misremembered things I haven't read it in a while
the moment you realize Judge Dredd is a better "hero" than her...
Well he is the law.
People like Judge Dredd and The Punisher are always seem like an scary anti hero to many
But to me they are a much Better Heroes not only that her but most so called Heroes imho.
Dredd actually is given the authority to be judge, jury and executioner though. So he's literally just doing his job.
@@AdeptKing And judges are not given that authority lightly, they need a perfect recollection of every relevant law to them
@@jaysanj152 They are. They are efficient. They give bastards the taste of their own medicine. They don't sympathize with bad guys. They put them down for good. There is nothing more satisfying than evil getting karma in form of bullets.
He says Captain Marvel is the most powerful hero in the MCU
Scarlet Witch: Well that’s debatable
Plot Twist: She’s actually Homelander’s sister who was sent to the Marvel universe for a Vought experiment
I'm glad it wasn't Captain Marvel who beat Thanos, but Iron Man himself.
Same, I loved it when Thanos decked her in the face too
funny scarlet witch do the most damage to thanos 2014...
OMG AGREED- tony stark will forever be the legend
Thanos punched CM out of the movie
His headbutt did nothing though?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
...so beware of virtue.
It's a superhighway.
No it’s brought out of fear.
You idiots don’t know what your talking about if someone’s looking for security they are scared and that’s definitely a feminine trait. Men do it to, the wars we goto are out of fear, and because we think someone is gonna do something wrong that just means you have a weak will.
@サイレントボイス The opposite does not have to be true.
Surely a photon blast would just be a bright beam of light
And remember: Marvel s pushing her to be a Role Model. Think about that.
Well, this aged well. A recent Marvel comic made her a supervillain.
Quick question there's been a lot of comics recently that have her being a super villain. which one specifically are you referring to?
Kasey Combs
whO cOUld hAvE sEeN tHiS cOmInG?!
hmm, i wonder if they made her a villain, because she was omnipotent white fascist. that couldnt be depicted as a hero? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Danvers#2010s "
Following the conclusion of "Civil War II", Danvers starred in The Mighty Captain Marvel, by writer Margaret Stohl and artist Ramon Rosanas, which sees Danvers become a household name. Stohl explained, "She will
be one of the most popular heroes on the planet-but that's not something
she is very comfortable with. And of course she's lost a lot of folks that she's loved so she has to cope with that, too. That being said, she still has a job to do as commander of the Alpha Flight. Her latest mission being recruiting and training new cadets. It'll also bring with it a mysterious danger that will threaten everything Carol has built."[77]
It pisses me off that people (even this video's narrator) keep calling Carol Danvers "Captain Marvel," SHE'S NOT CAPTAIN MARVEL, she's _MISS_ MARVEL.
*_Captain_** Marvel* is a separate character, a MALE pink Kree (pink Kree are regular Kree but have the same skin tone as caucasian humans unlike their blue counterparts) alien called Mar'Vell.
@Snoi Med but the narrator was calling her Captain Marvel even though he was talking about Civil War, when she was still Ms. Marvel. Honestly, I don't care for any comics passed Dark Reign/Seige. That's when shit started to go woke, passing of mantles for woke points, etc. Marvel Comics has gone to shit, and The MCU is soon to follow. #getwokegobroke
Local white, blue-eyed, tall, blonde woman with way too much power in her hand imprisons people for crimes they didn't commit.
Opposition includes, among others: innocent black-boy who didn't actually do anything, poster-boy for America and interestingly enough Holocaust survivor Magneto.
Holy shit this sounds like a WW2 story from my great grandfathers days. (German here btw)
Can definitely tell that they didn’t think that through or they think about it at all
You're a German huh....... Where the jews
Not to mention that Hitler youth haircut (in the comics)
If it's the German that's calling it out...
Captain marvel is what Hitler jacks off to when Eva braun isn't around
This would’ve been way more interesting than the marry sue that we got.
I don't wanna marry sue!
4 feet Productions, I agree with you entirely that Marvel comics and the MCU should have just made Carol Manvers, (Captain Marvel), a villain instead of a superhero because she certainly doesn’t act like an anti-hero or superhero at all.
I mean she's the same either way but story wise yes
I like how he said "She can do this, this, and this" while he showed what can Captain Marvel do.
You missed the real kicker. In an issue of Ultimates, it is conclusively, undeniably proven that Ulysses' predictions are not always accurate. Carol Danvers is there for all of it. She sees first hand that his prediction was simply wrong. Despite this, she continues on course with just as much self-righteous certainty as ever. That story line really did a lot of damage to her character.
Her moral character was on the decline ever since House of M. House of M revealed her primary desire for being a hero wasn't anything altruistic, it was to make people admire her. She was doing the Ms Marvel thing for herself not for the benefit of the weak and innocent- so the warping of reality installed her as the single greatest hero ever of the new world, admired, respected, and loved by all. Mar-Vell would be rolling in his grave if he knew of the things she's done with his name...and if he came back to life again he'd instantly know...what with his Cosmic Awareness and whatnot.
@@gtf234 I don't think you understood the Post house of M character. It wasn't that she wanted to be admired or to be famous for fame's sake. It was that she felt she hadn't lived up to her potential and thus wanted to fit into the mold of a hero that is respected and admired by all because that's how she felt she could improve. To be able to make a difference. She turned down joining the avengers because she felt she hadn't done enough good and that she felt she hadn't earned it or deserved it. Underneath the selfish seeming plastic lay an altruistic goal, written a bit more complexly/subversively.
The comic also reinforces that famous heroes are the ones that are seen as more competent. There's one time she outright admits that she isn't doing this for fame or popularity, but because she's felt she's wasting her potential to do good.
No I understand Carol used to think she was wasting her potential- that was back when she was still an alcoholic that could put Tony to shame. That part was always loud and clear and one of the reasons she was liked as Ms Marvel back then- she was very flawed and troubled. After House of M was a sobering up period of her trying to confront and make up for that side of herself- but it doesn't deny that's how she was.
But that universe fed into what everyone desired most, and Carol placed herself at the top of everything. It's been well established that the Pysche-Magnitron gave Carol Mar-Vell's powers because she was envious of him and the machine responds to the desires of those exposed to it- that was way back in Ms Marvel issue 19 from the 70s.
Yooo
@@gtf234 She wanted powers less because she was envious of him and more because of how powerless she felt when yon rogg had captured her hence wanted to stand with Mar-vell as an equal rather than a damsel in distress (as so many powerless female love interests tended to be at the time). She was also inspired to be a hero as established by Ms. Marvel 50; She tells Mar-vell she didn't want to be a copy of him back in Ms. Marvel 1977 19 and wanted to be her own woman, but the Psyche magnitron misread what she wanted (for better or worse according to her) as all wishing wells and rabbit feet tend to do.
House of M putting her at the top of everything was just part of her being wasted potential. She felt with those powers she should've been right at the top just like Mar-vell was and anything less was wasting her powers. It's the "with great power comes great responsibility" taken to the extreme. "If you don't become the greatest and take the most responsibility with great power, you have failed and nothing less than the best is good enough". Hence her name being Captain Marvel in that reality. Being admired is just a side effect of that goal. Which is why I say, it simply is a subversion of shallow seeming goal. It's why she refused to join the avengers because she didn't feel like she deserved it enough. It's why she quite homeland security because she didn't feel she was doing enough good sitting behind a desk. At the end of Ms. Marvel 50, she had realized that trying to fit in with the archetype of a super popular hero wasn't what she wanted and it wasn't'really a goal, and she aimed to simply be the best version she can be instead of trying to be at the top of the superhero game.
“I hope that Carol takes up the mantel of being the Avengers moral core, now that Steve is gone.”
Captain Marvel: “You touched my newspaper. Give me your property or lose your hand.”
Haha. Nah.
Well, they do need a new threat, CM being a fascistic dictator trying to seize power is one way to do it.
Spencer Whiteway
She’s one Cocky bitch in comics. Don’t know how her actor will portray her.
@@supersoldier2539CM's actress is just like CM
Vai Okay then there goes that.
Yeah i bet he feels stupid saying that now.
This reminds me of a scene from Spec Ops: The Line
"Your no savior, your talents lie elsewhere"
@one one one someones says something IS the shit that means it's good, when someone says something is shit its bad
They'd probably make a hit if they turned CM into a villain. It would've made more sense than Steve Rogers being a Hydra agent.
Thank yoU
I would like to see a movie like that.
Who says she's not a villain ?its all about perspective
It's the John Cena effect
I suggested they have CM get the gauntlet from Thanos and have Thanos and the Avengers fight her. It would make it so much better.
But they aren't the "justice league"
They are the *Avengers*
****Broken flute avengers theme***
It's worse since Avenger is avenging people before the actual tragedy even happend XD
Also the justice league doesnt go around killing people based on probability. Hell, batman and superman have a strict "no kill" policy :/
@@AstralTaurus who does the Avengers kill?I mean except for the walking tin can AI and the guy who suicide bomber himself and would have died anyway and when a metal armed man was brainwashed(Ultron,crossbones,Bucky)
@@fennylomena853 I was mostly referring to how fucked up c. Marvel is for killing people who haven't done anything yet
@@AstralTaurus That’s literally just captain marvel. Stop generalizing stuff
Hans in the "Are we the Baddies?" sketch had more of a character arc then Captain Marvel.
Captain Marvel is LITERALLY using Ulysses the same way HYDRA was going to exploit Project Insight to eliminate anyone who would potentially pose a future threat to them. What a f#cking villain. The irony.
There's another interesting moment that takes place during this storyline. After Captain Marvel has arrested numerous people indefinitely without evidence, and getten several Avengers maimed and/or killed, she was confronted by Magneto. Apparently, she had sent a surveillance drone after him, and he returned it to her (in multiple pieces). When he asked if her pet prophet had seen him in a vision, she dodged the question, labeled him a 'person of interest,' and then said "We're broadening our scope."
What follows is taken word-for-word from the comic:
Magneto: "Yes, this is how it starts. Next come the detention camps."
Captain Marvel: "Right, I forgot. You're that guy online who compares everything to Hitler."
Now, while I won't dispute Magneto being someone worth keeping an eye on, and I won't say it's the worst thing she could have said...but it's still pretty high up there on the list of 'Terrible Things to Say to an Actual Holocaust Survivor.'
Omfg i forgot about that.
CM: Oh, you’re the guy online who compares everything to Hitler
I mean if the shoe fits
@@jamesgrinsen1085 ...sorry, but for clarity sake, are you saying that about Magneto when you say 'If the shoe fits'?"
Which is to say, you agree with Captain Marvel scoffing at him that he's just "the guy online who compares everything to Hitler"? In spite of her thought-crime initiative? And in spite of Magneto's status as a Holocaust survivor _and_ a mutant?
electricbayonet2 Nah nah lmfao was saying it makes sense to compare Captain Marvel with Hitler in this instance
Ohhh shit, I almost forgot Magneto went through all that horrific crap. Poor guy...
Gotta ask, why are they choosing one of the most hated comic "heroes" as the face of the next few phases, especially without removing the things she's hated for
'Cause she is being pushed by political agenda, which actually see itself in thing everyone else hate
Because they wanted a very strong female character for political reasons and power wise indeed she is but I don't like her at all
Disney=feminist
@@darthsidious2952 yeah because obviously it’s the distribution that decide for what and for how much time there should be a character of their biggest franchise not the company that literally made both the original comic book material and the films.
Because of moronic people that have started to try and reform society and fix the issue around sexism. However,all it does is make society worse about it because some people are so insensitive and as I said,moronic,they can't see past themselves and the attention they are lacking.
let's not forget, Miles and Cap stood at capitol hall to see if anything of the vision would happen, and it didn't
and Carol just shows up even after nothing of the vision of miles killing cap came true saying "Your under arrest miles"
and then Tony showe up in a freaking War Machine Hulkbuster
but, sadly in the end, Carol Kills tony, and then the president is like "We're giving you funding and the position as Leader of the Superheroes"
She got off scot free
How exactly is she a hero?.
When Tony Stark says you've gone to far you know you've fucked up.
Sounds like Captain Marvel would make a good villain.
Starnana She already is
Isn't her race trying to exterminate an entire other race? I'm talking about the storyline, lol. I know it's funny how it mirrors real life but there are small differences... Very small.
How ironic
A super powered lex luther
Aye aye
The main atractive of the Marvel heroes, in both comics and screen, is that they're flawed but fundamentally good people. Captain America's golden age moral compass is what makes him special.
Carol hasn't that quality, and forcing it in her could be perjudicial to the character.
If there's no new Steve Rogers after Chris Evans departures, the most qualified to be the conscience of the MCU would be Spiderman.
in my opinion the one that can replace captain america after his departure is black phanter. He has all the leader character should had. sorry bad english.
@@suhaimimohd8832 actually bp is the "semi-cap" on marvel... Since the reborn of captain marvel that went to hell... the logical idea should be Spiderman, who has the most carismatic and good compass of all the heroes (maybe with lots of inexpierence), but certainlly would be the perfect replace for cap... Dont forget cap has olmost 53/63 years (taking or leaving timely comics) and spidey only 30 (at the most) and nome of leading, only on crisis he made that role and did it great
I agree with this
I think they want her to be Stark type without brain, all battery.
Don't forget the hyphen between "Spider" and "Man".
I hate how she's more or less kinda presented as the strongest/important female superhero/Avenger. She even had a huge moment in Endgame and what happend to Black Widow? Just killed off. Black Widow was great. Despite being having no powers, she was an essential part of the Avengers and they just killed her like that. I'm glad we still have Wanda.
Well, who do you want to be sacrificed in the avengers then? Thor? Cap? Iron man? Who?
@@avatrice3077 Captain Marvel, lol. Let me ask you this then, why must it be Black Widow?
@@al6243 lol now youre just trolling or you didnt see the movie and just saw clips of it. Answer me this; what does it take to get the soul stone?
@@avatrice3077 Bitch, I saw the movie. I saw all the movies. I've been following this franchise for years. Endgame disappointed me, Infinity War was better. It's a soul for a soul bitch. Why must the sacrifice be someone you love? It's a soul for a soul ain't it. Can't someone else's soul do?
My original point was why did Black Widow have to die? For Tony to die in Endgame, it makes sense. For Black Widow? Personally, it doesn't to me. It feels like they couldn't think of something to make her more prominent in Endgame other than the hero that was sacrificed to get the Soul Stone.
@@al6243 i love it when people like you get triggered easily and start name calling 😂
Btw, if you dont know why you must sacrifice someone you love to get the soul stone then you might have watched the movie but didnt understand it. Im not gonna explain it to you why cause i love how youre getting heated over this.
You see that? "Personally"? It might not make sense for you but it does for everyone else. What does that make you then? 😂🤷♀️
I really hope she's not thr one to take over from Cap as the moral centre, because we all know that will go terribly, I feel like Pter Parker would be the best moral centre, he's not the best planner or leader, but someone who looks out for the little guy and always puts people above their personal goals is always gonna be the best moral compass imo
"Is Captain Marvel a hero?"
No. I believe the entire point of her original arcs was to convey that, even in the hands of a _woman,_ absolute power corrupts absolutely and no one individual should be expected to burden themselves with unilateral moral decisions; that is almost a textbook example of corruption through proxy because the power granted by her station almost makes her a despot.
In effect, Marvel decides who lives and dies based on her suspicions of potential and it isn't until Tony Stark confronts her with the armor-piercing question about her future-police philosophy: "What happens when _you_ become a threat to freedom? When _you're_ the most dangerous murderer in a room?"
It's essentially the Aesop of, "What do you say to the unstoppable force to change its mind? When all power and authority is concentrated into a single entity, what can you do to change this without being destroyed? What do you say when your ally becomes a standalone WMD with political opinions? If she had decided that Thanos was right, Infinity War and Endgame would have been much more fucked up stories than they turned out.
Gods above, that has never been more relevant than today.
Yep, their are only two wielders of the cosmic power that the title Captain Marvel comes with that didn’t get corrupted by it, the original Mar-vell, and his “daughter” Phyla-vell. Danvers is the fourth wielder of this power, and is going down the same route as Mar-vell’s son, who eventually went completely insane from all the power. Out of all the wielders of this power, Phyla-vell was far and away the best of them all.
@@thejestor9378 I learned something new today! Thank you!
@@thejestor9378 wait this power can be passed down? I should really start reading captain marvel
Thats a pretty good explanation! Thanks
@@ultravioletentertainment7332Read the Annihilation books instead. Phyla Vell does not really appear in any Captain Marvel comics I'm aware of and the whole series ending with The Thanos Imperative is one of the best stories from Marvel. I haven't read any of Original Captain Marvel and idk what stories his son is in. Also the best character to have Captain Marvels powers imo is Rogue from the X Men. She kinda stole them but whatever.
Why is it that they call Captain Marvel the most powerful Marvel hero they conveniently gloss over the GOD OF THUNDER???
They think making her the most powerful will automatically make people like her.
What Scarlett witch? She has the power of one the stones. Why isn't she over powered? 🤔🤔
@@thekingacc4659 and thats the thing. Wandas powers are directly from a stone while captain marvels power comes from an engine powered by a stone and not directly from the stone itself. To me it seems like they decided that they already built up a reputation and they can just do whatever they want and get lazy from here on out.
@@thekingacc4659 Yeah. She even DESTROYED an Infinity Stone. That sounds op to me.
Mumbler Ogre nah they glossed over Squirrel Girl completely
i love your videos, they link real world issues to existentially in a way that i’ve been without for too long
damn he still hearting!
would love for marvel to take aspects of the civil war 2 storyline and turn her into a villain. i think it'd be really interesting considering how powerful she is and how she is driven with such a strong sense of justice
If she is a hero despite believing in her own righteousness above all else, so is Doctor Doom.
Well people of Latveria loves Doom
Louis Constantine Doom is in his own mind he is good. The Panther God of Wakanda granted the nations vibranium to him after deeming his motives pure.
The same applies to captain america
@@jo-el1898 Captain America is so good he'd even save the bad guys
At least Doom helped with Cleanup after 9/11
Finally someone shows a light on this. She's not a hero at all, not even an anti-hero. Just a very delusional villain trapped in her own mindset of self righteousness. Very well done video explaining perfectly!
Have you read a comic book about her? I suggest a comic book about how she dies. It sounds weird, Ik, but I think a lot of people don’t understand how captain marvel in the movie is different to the comics. She is a very good hero. :)
@@idontknowletmesee7063
- killed bruce for something that didnt even happen
- caused rhodey to die and she hulk to be injured
- imprisoned a kid (almost)
- is trapped in her own meaning of righteousness
Yes very good hero
@@electric_creeper you forgot when Carol made a teenage gistapo.
@@electric_creeper i thought Bruce made Hawkeye kill him?
@@shaunstorey23
Idk
as long as I'm aware back in the day nobody give a damn fuck about her the same as how nobody give a damn fuck about falcon, I still don't know what's Disney think to made her a movie, there's lot of iconic character that actually people care and root for
Ms. Marvel from Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes is a cool character. She has an interesting balance of wanting to be a hero against her military training and obligations.
The more Marvel comics try to make more prominent, the worse she gets.
Well, I guess her assaulting a guy and destroying his property because he told her to smile shows how much she is committed to fairness and justice
But it’s okay because she’s a WAH-man. I seriously don’t get why there are people defending her. It’s definitely not because she’s a good person.
It’s literally a deleted scene omg... HAHAHAHA
@@JamesNerdMan85 he was basically sexually assaulting her to be fair
@@thorgod0824 being slightly annoying and asking her to smile is not sexual assault. Abusing her powers, threatening physical harm, and stealing clothes and a motorcycle are crimes though.
@@thorgod0824 lmao youre joking right
👏 *When a comic discussion turns into an intelligent argument on mob mentality.* 👏
Yo,Yo Mydude, you spelled fascism wrong
@@robinscompass5951 It's really still mob mentality.
Your profile pic is perfect for that quote
Jared Micknuggets honestly brother
@Jared Micknuggets Both your profile pictures say you like jazz
Video: Subtitles with subtitles
My brain: Do we have a self destruct button?
This whole video could be used in a case against Captain Marvel.
Thor:Combats easily all the stones and almost kills thanos
Captain Marvel:Struggles killing a group of people
EVERYONE:Captain Marvel is the most powerful!
THOR:Am I a joke to you?!?
Drym Style Thor would destroy cm I’m both the comics and mcu
In the MCU they can do whatever they want with her as the MCU is separate from the comic universe, which scares me. I swear they better not pull a fast one on us in endgame..
As for the comics, she's a mid tier type character that was around iron man level (in some suits like bleeding edge he could beat her). Her character was never really created to be up there in power with characters like Thor, Hulk or Sentry.. hell even the original Male captain marvel before danvers was weak sauce in comparison to them and her powers are derived from him...
Despite being able to make her as powerful as they want in the MCU due to it being it's own seperate thing from the comics, I pray that they dont give us a fucking marry sue that makes the rest of the avengers irrelevant or some nonsense along the lines
@@150Hello Rhodey lowkey called out Captain Marvel's bullshit in the Trailer so I doubt that
Wait till you watch Endgame and see her battle Thanos
@@cjevan9837 thank fk she didn't
Come on, there is only one other Marvel character who could take over as the "moral" center for Cap, Spider-Man.
True. Spiderman is literally the embodiment of life and hope
Yeah, Spider-Man's kinda like the perfect balance between Iron Man and Cap. He has the moral compass and kindness (not to mention superhuman enhancements) that Cap possesses, whilst being smart and tech-savvy enough to be a stand-in for Iron Man. If there's really any one flaw he possesses: it's his naivete (though I'd like to think he's become less trusting since Mysterio.
I could see that. but obvious reasons of why it sadly wouldn't work. no one (EI: Danvers) would listen to a white male teen them what to do. He'd have to have an adult (or two) who would back him up.... so.. Cyborg?
@@jesseallen3109 Cyborg's DC, man. Completely different comic series.
@@TheAwkwardGamer ooof.. sorry. Who's the guy who's a robot and has an infinity stone in him? That's who I meant. married to black widow.
wait.. huh.. no wonder I got 'em confused. both have a robotic like character that has some deadly power as a part of their power source to live. >.
My goodness. I was not expecting a full on discussion of right and wrong. This was great!
Civil War II was one of those storylines where every time you see that one character you hate (in this case, Danvers), you can’t help but think “God, will you just fuck off?” Civil War was compelling because both sides had valid points, but in Civil War II, Danvers was just flat out wrong. Everything she did was wrong. It’s like the really wrote her stance in this storyline to make the readers ponder her ideals as if they were really righteous, but you’d seriously have to be a dictator, a psychopath, or just plain stupid to agree with anything she did.
"Hopefully we can see her becoming the hero that she should be..."
*shows clip of Captain Marvel punching old lady*
hmmm
@Nexus E-H It's still a great Juxtaposition tho.
She punch that old lady just to make sure she wasnt a skrull
The old lady was actually a Skrull, that's why.
@@univ8571 I was joking smh
@@PaintingwithEnrique She wasn't just "making sure". She saw that old lady leaving the train before entering herself, then spotted the very same lady still sitting inside. That's how she knew it was a Skrull.
Captain Marvel: "We must take every precaution to stop these dangerous events from happening, even if these events hasn't happened yet."
Iron Man: "So what if you're the danger?"
Captain Marvel: "Oh that will never happen."
Iron Man: "And how do you know that?"
Captain Marvel: "Because I'm Caption Marvel; I can do no wrong."
Iron Man: 😑
Also about that Captain Marvel movie, 😬 yeah....
Just call her ma’am marvel or captain flatbutt or cosmic Karen.
@@donalddeluxe6407 😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@donalddeluxe6407 Cosmic Karen lol I'm using that.
Captain Longback has always been my personal fav
@@donalddeluxe6407 😂 Cosmic Karen.
*Red Skull who was responsible for one of the gems Avengers used to save the Universe and was classified as a Villain:* "... A pretty good question"
No one can account for every possible future
Dr.Strange: Welllll
Nah bro not even him he only got like. 4 million
Also I love how they tried to play her up as this strong female figure, who doesn’t need a man
But she’s literally a female redesign of the original Captain Marvel.. that was a man AND before her it was a black woman
I thought Kamala was called Ms. Marvel? And didn't she come after Carol?
@@yourmother5810 She's talking about Monica Rambeau
@@frankorious3023 ah gotcha
I prefer a black woman. Back woman don't play. Imagine her black with a belt ready to whoop thanos 😂 i would pay good money to read that
@Rookmations Yeah, Mar-Vell (the Original Capt. Marvel) didn't die for her. He died of cancer.
"They who can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
Except, that is the basis of all governments. People give up some of their liberty in order to gain the protection of the state. That is form of government Benjamin Franklin and his cohorts designed.
"What's more the “purchase [of] a little temporary safety” of which Franklin complains was not the ceding of power to a government Leviathan in exchange for some promise of protection from external threat; for in Franklin’s letter, the word “purchase” does not appear to have been a metaphor. The governor was accusing the Assembly of stalling on appropriating money for frontier defense by insisting on including the Penn lands in its taxes--and thus triggering his intervention. And the Penn family later offered cash to fund defense of the frontier--as long as the Assembly would acknowledge that it lacked the power to tax the family’s lands. Franklin was thus complaining of the choice facing the legislature between being able to make funds available for frontier defense and maintaining its right of self-governance--and he was criticizing the governor for suggesting it should be willing to give up the latter to ensure the former."
And if your going to quote Franklin, for fucks sake, at least get the quote right- “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”
www.lawfareblog.com/what-ben-franklin-really-said
Justin McCurdy Replace that “-“ with a “~”.
@@HarshDude126 some of their liberties is not essentials liberties. Even thought the USA are strong in the department of negating essentials liberties nowadays
You mean most of the US
The thing i did like about civil war 2 was the fact that steve rogers(spoilers)
was acting the whole time and making it seem like he was on iron man's side only cause he was afraid that he might be outed as a hydra spy before he can conduct the ultimate takeover
The philosophy here aged well.
The expectations for Captain Marvel... not so much.
I'm allowed to be an optimist.
Two words:
Space Karen
This comment should have more likes, It deserves more likes
karen you absolute troglodyte get me out of this manga panel right now
Dear god if the Karen's unlocked space tech they would be unstoppable we wouldn't be able to protect our stuff
Lol
Lol