EVERY Ms. Marvel Explained!
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From Carol Danvers to Kamala Khan, many women have taken up the Ms. Marvel identity over the years and I'm here to break them all down!
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Tags: #Marvel #MsMarvel #CaptainMarvel
Monica Rambeau was never Ms. Marvel, she was CAPTAIN Marvel.
Hey Drake great video. But here's idea for another:
EVERY Thor Explained!
That just makes me want a video about all the Captain Marvel incarnations though.
5:44 - what do the letters mean? CW : SA
@@frankbarrie6785 Content Warning: Sexual Assault It is not ideal for him to speak it aloud because simply saying that can sometimes be enough to get a video demonotized
@@somebodynowhere lol yea, you're prob right. Thank you
I grew up with a Muslim bestie, who always asked why they weren't more represented in media, she passed away 5 years before this comic dropped. I'd like to think that she's happy that it's happening. also ngl I am seeing so much familiarity with spending 14+ years in that household shown in the Disney+ series. It's too late for her to enjoy it, but I am so happy that it's happened.
My sincere condolences for your friend.
Yes I am a Muslim as well .Its finally the time to get our representation that aren't terrorist attacks or bombings.
Damn I am sorry to hear that. R.I.P to your friend 🙏🙏🙏
I hope she's happy wherever she is
Noo, I hope she's seeing it 😢
I said it once, and I'll say it again, I'm still shocked that Kamala has been Ms. Marvel longer than Carol, which makes it funnier when people suggest she was at her best then, when she was hardly there to begin with, compared to now.
It's funny to think about.
She deserves it tbh
Not a suggestion, a fact.
I guess but it’s not always about how long a character is in an identity but each story and the impact
@@captaincomic8678 her first run has aged really badly and her second was OK at best. People tend to forget her as Warbird and remember her Avengers stuff under that name as Ms Marvel.
The biggest problem for Carol as Captain Marvel wasn't her solo stuff but Civil War 2 where the writers made both her and Tony horrible.
Still even when badly written she often provides me with entertainment as her existence seems to annoy a certain type of fan (also upset over Kamala) who it's just fun to see rage at the changing face of comics.
Honestly the fact that Carol was able to recover from something like Avengers 200 does show even the worst stories possible don't have to end up being the sole thing to define a character.
Great video as always!
It also helps that a lot of fans knew nothing about that. As a kid I didn't, I didn't learn about stuff until I was older and started reading older comics online.
Kinda like the Ultimate Universe. Ultimatum was absolute trash but the universe came into its own afterwords and actually had some pretty good stuff.
@@frogurtcremebrulee5252 I don't feel like that's a good example. The Ultimate universe never really recovered from Ultimatum, limping along until it was finally put out of its misery. The only good thing that came out of the Ultimate universe post-Ultimatum was Miles Morales.
That's just my opinion though.
Wouldn't be the first time a woman in marvel faces horrible trauma and comes out changed for both good and bad.
Poor Hank Pym
The difference in all these characters with the Captain/ Ms. Marvel name makes me excited to watch the Marvels movie said to release next year because despite the changes by Marvel Studios , the powers of Captain Marvel, Ms.Marvel and Spectrum are still different and I can't wait to see that contrast on the big screen.
You’d think characters named after the comic book studio itself would be cool but no the marvels are just desexualized chick so desexualized that they bear resemblance to paper every character needs a bit of sex appeal not just women look at Spider-Man’s costume
I can't wait to see Blue Marvel too
What I loved about House of M was that Ms. Marvel being most popular superhero in the world was actually a joke ... but then folks realized that Carol Danvers is such a cool character ... and that helped bring her back into spotlight and position her for Kelly Sue De Connick's excellent Captain Marvel run.
The fact that we're 1. Getting a Captain Marvel by Kelly Sue DeConnick omnibus & 2. Getting a Captain Marvel by Kelly Thompson Vol. 1 omnibus gives me hope!
Ms. Marvel by G. Willow Wilson omnibus when?!
"Excellent"? Huh. So that's what they call it these days.
@@captaincomic8678 i mean yeah, cuz it is.
@@angrybrony Are we even talking about the same series?
:/
Sharon Ventura is sooo underrated. I hope that at least some people learn about her with this video, because every Ms. Marvel is a badass.
I see you
@@alexlennen no way...
My favorite era of Carol is prolly Binary. Chris Claremont's writing is always something I love, that form was the first time she felt like she was mostly her own thing to me instead of intrinsically tied to Mar-Vell, and the Starjammers are cool as fuck. How can you not like Cyclops's dad with a full ass 80s moustache and hairdo leading a gang of space boys who just go into the cosmos and fuck around? Absolute icons.
I’ve been waiting for this!! I honestly love how much work and effort you put into these videos, combing through comic after comic and you’re also a big inspiration for me! Can’t wait to learn more about the Ms Marvel character
Karla Sofen is one of if not my favourite Marvel characters, and I’d love to see you make that video on her! There’s nothing more fun than seeing a creator you love talk about a character you love.
She’s one of my favorite villains. Loved her in thunderbolts and in dark avengers
I'm rereading Ms Marvel and Champions for the … 3rd? 4th? time. Still holds up. And you're absolutely right. It's the small, weird situations. It's her fangirling during team-ups, it's her friends. Also, Kamala is one of the only superheroes who spends as much of her time doing community organizing as she does fighting.
During the big incursion event (where she first meets Captain Marvel), she's busy protecting people in Jersey City and helping set up the high-school as a safe refuge for the neighbourhood during the crisis. Meanwhile Namor and Reed and the rest of the Illuminati' are busy blowing up planets and destroying whole universes.
I love her so much in that moment. And her whole community.
Ms. Marvel’s 57 issue comic run by G. Willow Wilson has GOTTA be one of my favourite comics of all time, like its so fun and comfy. It’s also one of the few runs from marvel that feels indie as hell. Shame that no run since has written kamala and the rest of the cast well, hopefully the disney+ show(which is also excellent) makes them do just that!
Crossing my fingers for a Ms. Marvel by G. Willow Wilson omnibus any day now.
W comment
Well, the show was... Interesting
I probably would know nothing about comics if this channel didn't exist so thanks for teaching us about comics
No time like the present to start reading. :)
I really liked ms marvels iconic black and gold outfit. She was so badass , although a bit cocky, she was such a likable gal. Whenever i think of ms marvel. Id be thinking of that outfit.
I think that was the peak of her character
Hey Drake, what about Superia? She had a brief run as Ms Marvel in a later version of the Dark Avengers? Basically doing the same thing as Moonstone, but it was a separate character.
I left her out because Marvel didn't consider her a Ms. Marvel on their official breakdown on their website, but I realize in hindsight that I probably should have even though it would have only been a super quick mention.
@@ComicDrake can you do a video about all of the Marvel metals?
Kamala Khan, Moonstone and Carol are both related to Kree. Kamala as genetically kree-engineered inhuman/Moonstone using a Kree moonstone and Carol half-human/half-kree hybrid.
I really like Sharon’s outfit. The colours just make me feel happy.
Cant wait to see Carol, Kamala, and Monica all together on screen in The Marvels :)
Kamala trash lol
Carol Danvers as Warbird Ms.Marvel was my favourite marvel character and her costume was amazing I’d love to see her in that costume again
Agreed her 2006 run as ms marvel is my favorite
I missed her Ms. Marvel or Warbird persona.
@@orkoskang7967 yes those were my favorite comics with that look
I actually got magic spoon as a birthday gift and it was genuinely great. Bit pricey, but super cool healthy breakfast. Thanks for showing me about it, Drake!
"...fighting the clone of Thomas Edison who is also mixed with a parakeet..."
All of a sudden the Thomas Edison with the head of a lion doesn't sound as weird.
fate go reference haha
Introducing Rogue as she steals MM's powers would be super easy, barely an inconvenience 😀
I am in dire need of the Rogue/Carol rivalry in the MCU, and what I love about it is neither are villains. I want to see more Civil War-esque friendly fire type of battles.
Ibut it led Danvers to become even more powerful -- she became Binary after that and then Captain Marvel . So it's all gravy baby they can't do that they already introduced Captain Marvel
While I do really like Ms. Marvel, I am a little embarrassed to admit I've never gotten around to reading any of her main solo series. I know her through the early Champions books. I know her through her various guest appearances in other titles and other media. I read her recent Beyond the Limit miniseries. She's my main in MUA3. But I've never truly gotten into her ongoing titles because I'm normally more into high concept super heroics with big action and big drama. Things her more down to earth tone seemed to lack. However, having gotten into her current Disney + show and after watching your video here, I think I finally get it. That down to earth stuff IS the big appeal. It's less about the characters aiding the plot. It's more about the plot aiding the characters. Their relationships and their developments. They are genuinely interesting and are what keep bringing you back. If the comics are anything like the show just with actually fun super stretchy polymorph powers instead of those ugly CGI crystals and the weird amalgamation of like three other completely disconnected characters, then I need to check them out.
I miss that 2014-2015 era of marvel that focused on legacy characters like Jane foster Thor, and Sam Wilson cap. That was my favorite era of marvel and the only part of it that really rubbed me the wrong way was the company wide exclusion of the FF and X-Men, in favor of the inhumans
No, that was when marvel comics was at it's worst, my favorite marvel comics era was 2006 to 2010.
Gotta say Drake, I'm a little disappointed that the Ms Magazine cover you used in this episode wasn't the Wonder Woman one.
Its funny that you call Kamala the new Spider-Man, since theres a storyline where she swaps bodies with Peter.
Thanks for the update! When I was a kid reading comics, Carol Danvers had just changed to the blue costume and Mar-Vell had the funky costume (with the hair). I was there for Carol's encounter with Rogue; she became Binary just before I headed out to college. Then, I kinda lost track of comics. I do remember seeing Monica Rambeau's Captain Marvel, but didn't read any of her comics. So, I was a bit surprised to see Carol Danvers in the persona for the movie.
See this is why I love your attention to detail and thoroughness. I knew about Carol and Kamala as well as Karla back when I read the Dark Reign stuff but had no idea about the second one and definitely didn't know she became She-Thing. Seen random pics here and there but never looked into her and didn't know SheThing ever used this name. Great vid, dude!
I love your channel and even if i can understand the english language, i pray that one day you make a 🇨🇵 french subtitled version of your videos. Maybe one day
Ms Marvel (Kamala) was the first comic I ever bought. I love the Disney + show 🥰
The worse ms marvel
I’m shocked that drake didn’t mention Monica Rambo, I know that he already did a video on her separately but she was a ms. Marvel at a point in time.
She was Captain Marvel, not Ms. Marvel.
@@ComicDrake thank you for correcting me comic drake.
Blackouts?! Different personality?! Moon Kni-
I only love carol danvers during her time as warbird and her 2006 run. The EMH cartoon version was perfect.
Great video. My personal favorite Ms. Marvel is Sharon Ventura. I know this wasn't a video about her time outside of Ms. Marvel, but a few of her appearances, including her most recent, were thankfully back as a friend and extended family of the FF. Also, some of her villainous time could be attributed to the fact that she was one of the captives of the Skrulls for Secret Invasion.
I was a huge fan of the Carol Danvers Ms. Marvel, Binary and Warbird but not so much as Captain Marvel. Probably because of me being a product of the 90s, my Captain Marvel was Genis-Vell. I was never a fan of Kamala Khan (or any other Inhuman for that matter) but I'm glad that so many others like and can identify with her character.
I love Monica Rambeau, Carol Danvers, AND Kamala!
Great video as always. Just out of curiosity, are you making a ClanDestine video? I really don't like the villains in the Ms Marvel series using that name and I'm an Alan Davis fan.
Kamala Khan is one of my favorite Marvel characters, and I don't really like how they are making her a "magical Green Lantern" in her solo series on Disney+ and not an Inhuman like in the comics. I do respect Feige and the production crew for the change and accurately showing her personality, but I feel like it would have been much easier if they *1) gave her the original backstory with a few tweaks* (no Terrigen Bomb, maybe something more subtle), *2) slowly introduce the Inhumans in later episodes like in the comic run she first appeared in, and 3) make her adventures street-level, like Spider-Man.* Her Inhuman nature and powers literally are part of her character: The first usage of her powers was to turn into Carol Danvers since she wanted to be just like her: A kick-ass super hero she idolizes. From then on she becomes more sure of herself and becomes her own type of hero.
Side note: I keep on forgetting that Kang and Marcus are a thing that are in need of desperate retconning.
Funny thing is they have an in universe way to make this happen due to agents of shield as Terogen is a thing that's around and is clearly something that could awaken Inhumans.
While people can definitely have valid critiques about the change, it's definitely Quasar not Green Lantern.
Quaser is crying somewhere in the corner
there is a article online about the INHUMANS in the MCU. apparently MARVEL decided since the INHUMANS series didn't get great reviews/fanfare they decided to slowly remove them from the MCU.
@@sunnwukong1941 and then introduce black bolt and terrogen mist in Dr strange 2?
There is power in a name, it’s more than just a title it is a legacy.
There was a mutant Kree Ms Marvel in the Initiative. Nice Video Drake 👍🏻🤩
First off, Stan Lee impression was on point. Secondly, great synopsis of Ms Marvel, especially that infamous storyline.
Kamala Khan and Miles Morales are my two favorite modern heroes, they just seemed so lived and not just written to fill a demographic hole. I love them.
While I wasn’t a fan of her powers in her new show, she was still a great character to watch.
Oh, also one on the Captains'd be interesting!
I think we both need more diversity in regards to superhero names.
Lmfao i was legit about to say before you got to the symbiote thing "So she's the new spiderman" lmfao
I just realized how similar Avengers 200 is to Angel season 4 and now I want to unthink it
Big oof
Okay but Wally deadass recreated that experiment to be his side kick and ended up surpassing him😭 reminds me of Tim Drake’s nosey ass looking for Batman’s identity
The black thunderbolt Ms. Marvel design is _the_ superheroine design to me. It's the most iconic, coolest, most powerful look. Her Captain Marvel design is fine, but it looks more "corporate" or Superman-y, like she's an "approved" superhero, where the Ms. Marvel costume looks like a vigilante.
Power Girl's design is probably my second pick, so it's weird to find out they were actually created by the same guy, especially since I used to conflate Ms. Marvel and Power Girl in my mind, as if they were different incarnations of the same character
Only recently did I get into comics thanks to you drake I’ve started with the first 3 volumes of ms marvel.
Maybe the thing we see is someone in the thing suit reed made for Ben when he lost his powers
You are awesome and your videos are amazing, it’s not just fluff it’s a book report and super valuable and your narrative grounds it and makes it super easy to understand, thank you!
Superia was Ms.Marvel. And Monica Rambeau and Phayla-Vell deserved a shout out for Being in the Marvel Family. But this is your video and you did a great job. Thanks for working so hard on this great content.
This is a terrific video!! Love to see it! Keep it going!!
Thank you for going through all these comics to give us these great videos. I know it takes a lot of time and energy to do so, but I love how you give us information in a fun yet concise way. You're one of my favorite comic book RUclipsrs because you make me want to go back and read old and start reading new comics. Thanks for your hard work!
The best thing that ever happened to Captain Marvel was when X-men's Rogue got her powers and became a more interesting and fun character
It didn't happen to Captain Marvel it happened to Ms Marvel. She became more powerful after that It was sad but it led Danvers to become even more powerful -- she became Binary after that and then Captain Marvel . So it's all gravy baby you are right it was the best thing to happen to her 😂😂😂
Really hope for that Moonstone video
Side note, Gloria Steinem was Christian Bale's stepmom right before he got cast as Batman.
I gotta say: you have an absolutely baller background on here…totally nerving out spotting all the super hero/villain logos.
I can't stop hearing "SPOOOON" being yelled by The Tick whenever I see a Magic Spoon sponsor ad lol
Hey Drake, I know you mostly talk about Marvel stuff but would you ever consider doing a video about Amethyst of Gemworld?
8:36 why am i not surprised he gone through a phase like that.
Bought all 5 OHCs to prepare for the Plus series. So far I'm not super impressed with it. Would love a video of your thoughts after the series wraps.
I love Carol. I’m a huge fan since the 90’s. This woman is a warrior. Proving herself over and over as a daughter, as a writer, as a pilot, and Avenger. Not mentioning this horrible sexual assault in Avengers 200. Love the alcohol story arc - that’s so heroic. How to beat the addiction and grow stronger. Inspiring. She ALWAYS gets back up and prove people wrong. Absolutely love that she’s actually half Kree. Her mom being a Kree and her father a human makes her origins much more interesting and rich. Also opens doors for future stories. She deserves the Captain Marvel mantle more than any other that came after Marvel-Vell. But she made her own name as Ms.Marvel too. Or Warbird. Or Binary. That’s my fave hero!
Finally, someone said "Here's the Thing" and subsequently showed me the Thing!
So many things discussed, so few Things shown.
3:22 SWEEP?!
Moonstone video 👀👀
This is my favorite part of the video!5:23
Hey, good on you for bringing up how you once were. I respect the fuck out of you for being able to look back and see how cringy it was too many don’t grow out of it and double down, good shit dude.
Good thing you didn't mention Mary Marvel.
Dr. Karla Sofen (Moonstone) is one of my all time favorite Marvel characters. (I count her as a hero, though it's complicated.) I look forward to your proposed video on her.
I like her too. She could have easily been in captain Marvel's mythos as a anti-hero.
@@Killgore-ip2yq I'm hoping they'll introduce her to the MCU in either Secret Invasion or The Marvels.
yeah see this I understand Marvel maybe overstretched themselves with the Captain Marvel movie when Carol's origin and backstory is like hyper crazy.
That is the horniest official Power Girl art I have ever seen
i really enjoyed the long depth video. I'm usually not into 20m videos but ur stuff has me hooked
I wish they would’ve had the original Captain Marvel in the MCU or made some sort of reference to it maybe in the multi universe.
Ever consider doing a video on miss thing?
My head cannon Sharon made a deal with mephestio, to be able to turn back to human. In return she will become one of hells enforcers in a more demonic rock form.
That sounds pretty awesome actually!
i didn't know the no memory thing was actually from her origins, which makes that plotline even more meaningful in the captain marvel movie
Drake: Loves Wawa sandwiches
Me, a Philadelphian: Use the word Drake, *say it*
I hate to say it but your made some mistakes.
First: technically Carol was ms marvel when she fight rogue after her return from limbo in Avengers annual 10 in 1981. And Carol was back as Ms Marvel in House of M 1 in 2005. so she has two more active years
Second:
You have forgotten up to four minor "ms. Marvels"
1. Rogue. Who went by the name and costume when she was taken over by carols presonality
2. the personality were given an own Body for a few issuse were she died
3. there were a Skrull posing as Carol During Secret Invasion
4. Superia was Ms Marvel in thr second version of the Dark Avengers
I'd argue House of M doesn't really count since it's more or less just memory alteration and 2 because I believe it's counted as a different Universe than the one being discussed in the video. I also don't know if the technicality during the Rogue battle you mention is really enough to actually count it for this.
As far as the other ones, for Superia he does have a comment reply to someone asking about it in the comments of this video, so you can see his reasoning for that.
I don't think the Skrull would really count just because it was never a true Ms. Marvel and was essentially only a Mimic. In other words the Skrull itself never actually had the name Ms. Marvel or did supering in it's Skrull form with the name Ms. Marvel, it was basically just a cosplay.
I don't know enough about the second one to really say (TBH, this video is the first I even heard about that being a thing), but I'd say that probably doesn't count, I can't really come up with the words to try and explain my reasoning why, it just doesn't really feel like it would count, maybe cause it's still part of Carol in a way or whatever, IDK.
I'm not sure if Rogue would necessarily count or not, as it doesn't seem like it was Rogue herself doing it, but rather Carol essentially acting through Rogues body, so it would arguably still count as Carol.
I love your videos and I enjoy the content. I just wanted to add that when Norman Osborn restarted the dark avengers, Superia was also Ms. Marvel.
Fuck yeah! There are so many and they do deserve a shout out. Ms. Marvel from the Thunderbolts banged everyone and was a bad ass
5:55 GAME IS GAME 🗣🗣🗣
Not "Kamala Khan-tent!" Lmao
Kamala's Ms. Marvel series was good throughout it's run. I always looked forwarded to it each month when it came out. I also really enjoyed the 2006 Ms. Marvel run with Carol, before she became Captain Marvel. Even Sharon Ventura was interesting in her FF time. All in all, the Ms. Marvel name does have some good comics behind it. (Also, the recent Captain Marvel series that just finished - frikkin fantastic! One on my favourite comics runs in years)
Good overview. Kinda wish you went into Karla's battle with Carol over the name, but I get that you can't include everything.
Don't hate me: I think Sharon Ventura seems more interesting to me, probably because she became She-Thing and all.
DO SOME DEEP DIVE KAMALA-KHANTENT PLEASE!!!!!
In the cartoon avengers assemble moonstone was part of the wrecking crew
That may be true, however that's a different Universe than the one being discussed in the video.
Comic Drake, I like the backsplash in your vids which has the insignias/logos of superheroes (and supervillains). Nice touch--and I like this video as well! Great Job! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽💯💯
The Marvels is my no way home. We’re getting Carol,Monica,Kamala and (possibly) Genis-vell which i am so damn excited for
I mean Loki is getting another season. So we can still technically do the spiking the punch gag. Lol
I'm just here to say thank you for posting your old college picture because that shit is both amazing and hillarious.
And also that Sharon Ventura is an awful character. Some characters just don't work and that is her.
Chris Claremonts writing was 💯 outstanding
Hey Drake great video. But here's idea for another:
EVERY Thor Explained!
For about half a second there was another Ms. Marvel. Ultragirl (Suzy Sherman) was given Carol's costume and wore it during Secret Invasion, only for Norman Osborne to legally seize it during Dark Reign to give it to Moonstone. I don't know if this counts (I don't remember if Suzy actually used the name or not), but I figured I'd mention it.
She specifically continued to go by Ultragirl even while in Carol's old costume.
@@ComicDrake Ah ok, that's what I get for relying on my old man brain.
14:38 lmao i'm using that for now on. Finally a reason to say Gumby.
8:44
Sharon... Power Broker....
So, this Sharon is the inspiration for Sharon Carter (specially in Falcon and The Winter Soldier)?
Sharon Carter is a separate character and her becoming the Power Broker is pure coincidence.
@@ComicDrake so, does Sharon Carter also have connection with Power Broker in the comics or is it a new thing in the Disney show? (them having a chat, she working with/for PB etc.)
Nope
@@ComicDrake so... while Sharon Carter is an established character in comics, her storyline in FATWS is might be inspired by Sharon Ventura.
This is the first video I’m seeing of you guys, I noticed the blue hope symbol in the background and I immediately subscribed. Thank you 😘
No Normal, Kamala's first book, was my gateway into the marvel comics universe. For that, I think she'll always be my favorite superhero
By far the worse character 😂
@@slxcelxfegaming why? Never read the character so I'm just wondering
@@slxcelxfegaming True
@@slxcelxfegaming nah
Ben Grimm was possessive over a woman that didn't even like him like that. lol.
I appreciate the research that you did here to prepare this worthwhile content. Kudos. . I really despised most everything David Michelene was writing at Marvel. Coupled with "bad art" days of work by Bob Harris, B. McLeod,, George Perez, etc. These were "bad" Marvel comics seemingly written for and by 10 year olds. In my view not worthy of my hard-earned dimes and quarters. This was the time period when a lot of the industries' old "great" and foundational penciling (and inking) talent was moving on and being replaced by "B" level imitators who could crank out the work. Growing up, I had a voracios appetite for material rom all publishers. But, after the first 3 - 5 decades, I evolved into a a comics snob and elitist and found that I only had the time and money for only what I consider the best content. The writing AND art has to be up to high standards. I think 80 - 85 percent of comics content is just "fodder". (Perfectly reflected in the mid-70s Adam Warlock comic by Jim Starlin called "1,000 Clowns"). The quality stuff are timeless expressions of the "sequential art" form and is what finally inspired Hollywood to start making these into films, tv and streaming shows. Now, similar to comics, only 15 - 20 percent of superhero media content is garbage and fodder. I thought the world reached a saturation point with Avengers Endgame, but I was very wrong. This public appetite for a lot of poorly conceived and executed content far exceeds my old nerdy, voracious appetite-having, niche hobby. The advent and level of "Cosplay" events all over the country illustrates how "next level" the general public has gotten. They're making more than plenty of this garbage, so everybody eat up!
...What?