releasing Ms.Marvel, a geeky fangirl, during the height of tumblr’s heyday/just 2013 in general was such a smart writing move. it’s no wonder that her first run was so popular. it makes so much sense for the world we live in now with social media that there would be people like that in the marvel universe. i’ve always liked that about her character
Her being a super-hero fangirl who wrote fanfics and made geeky references was how I knew about her back then, it sinergized really well with the Tumblr fandom back then.
@@kingofthebis1068 Because Marvel is trying to bring her back, duh? Making shows of obscure or forgotten characters isn't new to the MCU. Eternals, Inhumans, Moon Knight... Literally just got America Chavez to show up even though she's a nobody to noncomicbook fans and reviled by comicbook fans.
You got it wrong her fist run was terrible her sal's were extremely low and the only reason and don't no why they keep pushing a super hero that doesn't do too will and the only reason they making a show out of it is because its athur and spreading the message I love Marvel but alot of people don't no what's actually going on
I love Carol as Captain Marvel, but recently, when I was re-reading a lot of Carol stuff, I realized that she was a much better character before she became Captain Marvel. She used to be a B-list character, meaning that she could have funny filler arcs and adventures that someone like Captain America couldn't. Being a B-list character also meant that she could have more nuanced struggles that all the A-list superheroes don't always have. But, as soon as took on the mantle Captain Marvel, and became A-list, all the old stuff went down the drain. Like her alcoholism and fear that nobody would like her if she didn't have superpowers. I haven't seen that referenced in years.
Yeah, I read her a lot back in the early Ms. Marvel days and she was generally a good read back then. Pretty basic superhero shenanigans with the occasional deeper story (especially in the 80s). More social consciousness about women's rights than other books, but never to the point where it felt like it was her sole reason for existing. As Captain Marvel some of the charm is gone along with the lighter tone of the 70s. So serious these days, at least what I've seen of her.
@@dallasgrey4247 explain why she is an A-Lister but her comic gets cancelled every time? i mean even Miss Marvel Kamala Khan has had better comic runs edit: in my opinion carol danvers works best in comics like the avengers as a support character.
@@bercaleon Just because a characters comic keeps on getting cancelled, doesn’t mean they aren’t A-list. The X-men have had multiple cancellations and are still A-list.
Kamala is basically the "Spider-Man" for a new age of readers: a young teenage hero with relatable struggles on top of the superheroics with a unique set of powers. The only thing she's missing is an iconic rogues gallery, but Spidey has been kicking butt for 60 years now so he's had time to build that up.
@@deltaovalpanda7805 yeah I feel both Marvel and DC have a problem of making some great new heroes but then just giving them either bad/mediocre villains or dumping pre-existing villains on them
That end rant about Marvel comic's marketing being ass is so true! How tf do you have one of the most successful cinema franchises in the world and not even bother to advertise your shit to a large audience.
@@logansmith2703 dc has better marketing than marvel honestly, the way marvel wanna make their characters relevant is by makin them exactly like their movie counterparts.
She was such a "lightning in a bottle" character. Right place, right time, and her stock as a character grew exponentially. GWW even mentioned that she did have a finale planned if it didn't go beyond 12 issues
@@ginger-ham4800 I think they need to bring the original Carol Danvers ms marvel kamala khan shouldn't replace her it like replacing spider man with miles instead they didn't they did the smart thing have spider man Coexist with miles they could have done that with kamala khan have her Coexist alongside mis marvel not steeling the name she should have a different superhero name
@@kingofthebis1068 we not it's the truth check the sales it's was never high there are donzens of videos talking about how bad it did when she showed up her sales were bad I don't hate her either but she really didn't do that will they just keep on showing her
The original run of Ms. Marvel is legitimately one of my favorite comics I've ever read. It's a shame they've never managed to quite recapture that magic (at least imo) with her subsequent books, but it was enough that she's firmly one of my favorite characters, and I'm always excited to see her show up.
Yeah, early days for her were best...so far. We can hope for a return to that, but even her low points are higher than average. A fun character all around. Although I may be biased, I have a soft spot for "stretchy/morpher" supers in general, they give the artist so much room to get creative and they're usually written to be more upbeat than man supers. Except that joyless insufferable jerk Reed Richards. The man does not belong in the same club as Kamala and Ralph and Patrick and Luffy and even Jimmy, slightly lame as he is. Elastic Lad just isn't his best transform when held up to the high standards of Giant Turtle Man Jimmy or the absurdist glory of Homo Disastrous super-caveman Jimmy.
The problem with this era of comics was it started out as a genuine initiative to diversify the marvel line up and then they saw the success and started making diverse characters for the sake of money. And it reflected in the writing and care for characters
Yep. Safespace and Snowflake were examples of characters who seemed more designed to pick up advertising by angering reactionaries online. Same goes for that baffling "Young X-Men" thing during the Hickman era.
@Oswald Cobblepot yeah. Young rippa did a fantastic job on showing the sales and the actual local interests of the character. I have no idea what Comics Drake and his fans are so defensive for this?
"The Champions, Marvel's answer to Teen Titans" Yeah, as if there weren't already many of those: Young Avengers, New Warriors, Young Allies, etc. I think for every generation Marvel puts out a group of teenage heroes, while DC just makes new teams of titans.
Marvel just cannot figure out a name because they're all the same thing. Well DC is guilty of this too. Like what's the difference between the Teen Titans & Young Justice?
@@modmaker7617 well, in the 90's DC wanted to separate their young adult heroes (the original teen titans) and their youngest young heroes (Tim Drake, Superboy, the new Wonder Girl), so they created "Young Justice" for the younger young heroes and "The Titans" for the young heroes not so young. It sounds simple, but as time goes by, an event caused Young Justice and the Titans to split... But then the main members of Young Justice form a new group of Teen Titans, and well, comics are comics.
Plus I don't think the Champions are that popular. Their books keep getting very short runs and I never really hear much about them despite the high profile Kamala and Miles involvement. Meanwhile I think the Young Avengers were more successful especially as a lot of the characters majorly introduced in the YA titles have managed to gain greater prominence since then while I can't think of any popular character from Champions who wasn't already popular.
This is a remarkable analysis. And that's the thing, I enjoy my Kamala the same way I enjoy my Peter: friendly neighborhood oriented. The entire Wilson run, for instance, is extraordinary
Agreed. Comics need more street-level heroes, and it fits Kamala and her personal story like a glove. A teen hero who is actually written like a teen would make the most sense protecting her hometown and its surrounding locales, not necessarily the whole world.
@@raziyatheseeker That’s it! I love stories with high stakes as much as the next person, but characters like Kamala and Peter shine in those smaller environments
Marvel has had a lot of success and a lot of failure with progressive comics- Ms. Marvel is a pretty great character, And then you have safespace and snowflake on the other hand. As if they're making fun of progressives.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 *Disney.* The same people who started the The Force Awakens with a diverse trio of protagonists and then abandoned two of them to make sequel movies with a different creative team that began production before The Force Awakens was even finished being written.
@@normal6483 Disney owns them but I kinda doubt they actually do a whole lot with whatever direction Marvel or Star Wars goes. Someone at Marvel was making bad decisions that likely would’ve been made with or without Disney.
Another "diverse" legacy character that was introduced right around that time (actually just a few months after Ms Marvel #1) was Robbie Reyes as Ghost-Rider, who I really love. He even got a live action adaption only three years later in Agents of Shield season 4, where he was awesome! But after his original series ended he's been kind of mismanaged in the comics and I hope he gets a solo again soon, because what Aaron is doing with him in Avengers right now is pretty dreadful imo.
@@nickasaro8789 not really. The only major difference is that Robbie isn't bound to his uncle's spirit anymore (thanks to Johnny who ruled hell at the time). He's had a story arcs where he raced Johnny in hell, resisted brainwashing from Dracula's henchmen and is currently fighting alongside an alternate universe of the Avengers. He has also used his powers to control a dead celestial and the silver surfer's board.
I was one of the people who got into comic books by picking up Ms. Marvel (& Kelly Sue DeConnick Captain Marvel). She really made an impact on me in high school, made me honestly a more open-minded person & helped me accept my queer identity as I really related to the struggles Zoë went through. She literally means so much to me & I am excited and nervous to see how the MCU will interpret her in the show.
Hey Drake! I read a lot of marvel comics throughout the "sjw marvel" phase, but while I did read a lot of books, only a few I could actively remember as very good, most of them weren´t awful or anything, but not memorable, are there any recommendations from that era you could offer that maybe I missed?
@@geakan9604 you think there’s enough there that Jane has a chance to be good in the next Thor movie? Personally not looking forward to her appearance, mostly because Jane Foster was so boring in the movies she appeared in, there’s a reason no one was upset when Thor’s friends got killed in ragnorak and she just offscreen dumped him
You said you started this channel to convince people to give the hobby a shot, and you definitely succeeded with me. I had never really had a real interest in comics outside of videos like yours to know who certain MCU characters were. But after seeing your Radiant Black video, when I was at my comic/tabletop game store looking for board games and I saw the Radiant Black volume 1 trade, I went ahead and bought it. I am now keeping up with Radiant Black, Radiant Red, Rogue Sun, I've read Shadecraft, and I'm about to go buy the first issues of a couple new books. You and the great folks at my local shop that have been nothing but friendly in answering my 4 million questions are the reason why I'm so into this hobby.
Crazy to learn I only started reading comics right after you (early 2015)! Though jumping in at the height of the Inhumans is exactly why I love that era for them and all the NuHumans (I need more Inferno in my life). Kamala was easily cemented as one of my favorite characters and I now own all her trades. My one big critique for this video (because overall it was good and well researched as usual) is that at the end you kept saying "it wasn't all bad", but you never mention a single good rec or something to counteract a couple misteps that got very overblown.
Marvel definitely oversaturated themselves with new diverse characters. Without giving any particular one the spotlight during crossovers, and *really* not caring about the quality of the writing in some notable cases, potential fans were given nothing to invest themselves in.
Did you also hear Feige talking about how the changing of her powers is in accordance to how her story is done to fit into the greater MCU? Kamala’s powers were perfect for her character and storyline in the comics world she existed in, but the MCU is different and has different needs for its universe’s storytelling and changing her powers is to fit into that need. You don’t have to like that they changed her powers, but let’s not pretend that they changed it simply because Feige somehow doesn’t understand her character.
@@morganbrokaw5190 Yeah, it doesn't have the hollow feel similar statements by politicians and corporate execs often do. He's got the past history to make it feel real.
I read Ms Marvel and it's petty good. I can't argue about the religious stuff, I mean Daredevil is full on with his religion, how is this any different? The only thing I hate about Ms Marvel is that the upcoming show changed her powers.
I would love for Daredevil and Ms Marvel to talk about their religious beliefs and how it relates to fighting crime/helping people. Also if they introduce Ben Grimm, I would like him to be part of the conversation as well. I know religion was not super important to him, but I do like how he became a good representation of characters associated with Judaism.
"I mean Daredevil is full on with his religion, how is this any different?" Rather obviously, Catholicism isn't demonized by bigots nearly as much as Islam is. Which I find quite amusing, because if you actually listen to what a lot of the Fundamentalists think about the subject, the Pope is Satan's lapdog and "mislead" Christians are worse than heathens. They're kind of careful not to talk about it too loudly in public, but I got forced into attending Fundy bible studies with some of these loons and when they think they're preaching to the choir the anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic rhetoric is on full display. Used to be much more of a mainstream attitude too, and not all that long ago - JFK caused great concern in the country when he was elected because some people were afraid a Catholic president would put Rome's interests ahead of those of the US.
I second that motion for DC, Marvel and other publishers to hire comic drake for marketing/advertising; I love his passion and energy when he tells us about these characters and stories
Speaking for me, I would prefer Marvel not introduce any new characters for a few years and instead dive into their deep bench of underdeveloped international heroes and make them into good characters as well.
Current Marvel is like walking through a minefield. For every successful step, you get heroes like Ms Marvel, Miles Morales, etc. However take one wrong step and you end up with shit like Ironheart.
I really liked snowguard from the champions books, a mystical shapeshifter with magical connections to spirits. She was honestly one of my favorite parts of that series, and it makes me sad that she wasn't given more time to shine. The biggest issue with pushing all these new characters is that if you find one you like, chances are theyre stuck in limbo since theyre either not super popular or marvel doesnt know what to do with them (please give me more gwenpool i beg of you)
A good story needs to be number 1. A good story can be enjoy universally regardless if you relate or not, some stories require specific details (such as political edge (like the winter Solider film benefited from it) but others don't (like endgame which works due to being able to stick the landing to a decade long story arc in a satisfying method.) A good story ultimately just works
As a young person, I like the older characters a bit more than the new ones. It's probably because they had more time to marinate in character development, while new characters are dry but marvel really wants me to eat when they're not ready.
I got to be honest I could care less about the politics surrounding it, I’ll leave that debate to someone else, I just like Kamala because I think she’s a fun character that although I would never call myself “hip and trendy” I can definitely relate to the nerd culture and fanfic side of Ms. Marvel. Like anything else I’m just here for good stories and enjoyable characters and I think I can happily say I like Kamala. So yeah in my opinion I think she’s a good character and I hope the TV show coming up can reflect her character in a good light and won’t end up like the other show I try to adapt Inhuman characters. #MsMarvelKamala Great job on the video. It was quite informative and entertaining.
I like Ms.Marvel and her story. She's definitely a cool character and hopefully the show and movie does her character justice (even with the minor changes)
The tumblr days were really the huge push for diversity. Marvel caught on at the right time and dc was late to the party. Now dc is trying to work on their diversity(which is a slow uphill battle) and marvel is more focused on character development for their diverse characters.
@@ldcg106 she was great in that series and yeah avengers assemble just wasn't as good with it lacking the story or finesse that Mightiest Heroes provided
@@ldcg106 what avengers assemble yeah I watched at first but the only one I finished was Ultimate Spider-Man after awhile I just got bored with how it wasn't Mightiest Heroes and to me it just wasn't that good. What can I say I really loved that series and everything else just seems like a lesser version
@@ldcg106 yeah I loved Wolverine and the X-Men when I was younger but yeah unlike DC which has many animated shows which defined generations with rich storytelling suitable for everyone marvel seems to like to have these shows for kids only restricting the amount of people interested as they made something for kids not for fans.
Marvel shot themselves in the foot by introducing a lot of these diverse characters all at once, especially the characters that replaced the ones before them. I think a lot of these newer characters are really good, but for a while there Marvel didn't do a good job at not making it feel forced
@@teamrocket7400 oh hell no actually. Trump sucks ass. That’s why I put woke in quotes. I just genuinely don’t enjoy most of those characters. I might wanna try moon girl like the comment below said though.
Great character! The thing she needs is a Spider-man level Rogue gallery. The bad guys make the stories. She has a dumb parrot guy. Even when he was a neighborhood level hero, he had really weird and cool baddies. Stories are always the goal.
I'm excited to watch this video, she's one of my favorite Marvel characters, but I'm going to have to delete it from my viewing history afterward because the word "SJW" in the title is going to absolutely ruin my recommended videos
They were always progressive, it’s just now those people are adults and are starting to see it through. Scott from NerdSync said it best when he said that when you have people who don’t want politics in their comics, they wanna go back to being ignorant about the world. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, that word has been used so many times, it’s lost all meaning.
@@l0sts0ul89 Not to some people and frankly this attitude is going worse. I guess Winter Soldier is a bad movie now for being "woke" about the government not being trustworthy.
I'm a Gen Xer, and an older one at that. If I were 5 years old, I'd be a boomer. I was a typical comic book fan as a kid in the late 70s and early 80s, reading mostly Spider-Man and the Hulk. Then I grew up, and like a lot of people (but obviously not all people) of my generation, I quit reading them. Kamala Khan got me back into the world of comic books. I had already become a fan of the MCU films, but I hadn't gotten back into comic books. But then I just started hearing and reading so many great reviews of the then new Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) that I decided to pick up a few issues and read them. Now I have a collection, not only of Ms Marvel, but also Captain Marvel, the old Carol Danvers Ms Marvel, Eternals, and a bunch of other titles I found interesting for whatever reason.
Looking at the whole "MSHEU" woke is bad vs the "Social Justice Marvel shills" debate in videos like Nerdotic or Critical Drinker, I hate the unnecessary hatred of both sides towards people who might just want to watch a Ms.Marvel show or read up her comics. I am firmly in the middle side not wanting to hate on something just because it has women or minorities in it, but I do want a good product to read or watch from Marvel.
@@bigchill4203 One of their own, Robert, made a cringe review to Parasite and the ones who saw it were MoistCritikal and Phillip DeFranco which were two big RUclipsrs so they threw him under the bus to avoid the wrath of both of them. He’s no longer invited into podcasts too.
@@bigchill4203 Also Robert taunted Charlie in a podcast with Andy Signore saying he doesn’t have the balls to come over. Let’s be honest: If he did, Jeremy, Robert and Andy would be done for alongside the Fandom Menace cause no one would survive Charlie.
THANK💗YOU For Including That #StanLee Snippit. He Was Sooo Wonderful & Understanding... I Even Got A #MEGO Doll Of Him! My 1st Comic Was Literally This HUMONGOUS Chistmas Annual; I STILL Have & 2nd Was #Transformers #3 (Spidey). I Just Adore How He Totally Includes: "Gender & Bigotry". Much Like #LindaCarter Does Thesedays! She's A Real Life #WonderWoman in EVERY Sense!
You'd think it would have clicked with people that if "go woke go broke" was true cooperation (which are motivated almost solely by profits) would have given up by now.
Hard to go broken when you're got Disney backing, and angel investors that want to keep pushing this kind of crap on people because... I dunno, they think we're all gonna turn into nazis or some stupid shit.
Just a funny sidenote, right after you brought up the ads two ads played back to back on the video. I just thought that was pretty amusing that that happened to me. Anyhow enjoy the ad revenue, you deserve it. Keep up the good work.
As a response to the middle of the video, I'd just like to say that you're basically half the reason I'm currently into comics. I first found you from The Game Theorists and then followed you to your at-the-time main channel, and then I followed you here. I honestly don't think that if I hadn't started watching your videos, I would've even considered reading any non-Sonic/Mega Man comics. But I did watch your videos, and now I'm a huge comic fan. So... thanks, I guess
If I were to place diverse characters, I would want to handle them as people you wanna care for or be relatable and add new ones but definitely need to take time that everybody need to know a better.
I know you said it in your video but my issue really is they pushed so hard into diversity that they didn't bother writing interesting characters. My mindset with diversity has always been "Can you insert any other person into their shoes?" Like Miles Morales for example, he's your average kid growing up in a hectic city, has personal issues at home, viewed his power as a curse rather than a blessing until later learning it's not what you want to do but have to do, he just happens to be black. Yes I know he's mixed but you get my point. At the end of the day I want the best person at the job to be doing the job, not just because they're ethnic but because they're the best at it. Hope I've expressed myself well enough.
The problem is that kind of limits the amounts of stories you can actually tell. There are tons of interesting stories specifically about queerness or race tahat by definition can't be universally relatable because some people don't experience it.
@@ravenfrancis1476 I get what you're staying but I think you misunderstood my point. My point is write an interesting character and make them relatable then you can add the toppings later. Deadpool is a good example of this. He's pansexual but that single characteristic doesn't define him as a character it adds to him. Loki also applies to this. In lore and in the MCU/TV series it's said he's slept with animals, other entities, male, female, he's very much genderfluid but again he's more of than just that. Going to sounds like a broken record here, sorry. But a character should be the sum of their parts not just one defining characteristic.
@@cuzzbaby I mean, on some level you're not wrong. But people's identities do play an important part in shaping who they are as a person. Unless they're in a world that's, like, a hyper-progressive utopia if they're a minority that's going to significantly impact their lives in ways I don't really think people who aren't minorities can't really conceptualize. Like, a lot of my interactions with people have been colored by the fact I'm an autistic bisexual trans woman. I'm going to have a different experience in most environments than a neurotypical cisgender heterosexual person. I also think if you're going to use examples of 'good representation' you shouldn't use examples the community they're supposed to be representing are fairly consistently disappointed in. Loki's bisexuality was only mentioned in a single throwaway line, and the writer had to fight to get that in (the writer that fought to include it is also conveniently the only writer not returning for season 2) and Loki's genderfluidity was functionally erased by all the other Loki's reacting as if a woman Loki was significant enough to warrant confusion, and the writer angrily dismissed genderfluid people who called him put on it. Deadpool is a bit better, admittedly, but not by much. Not only does he play into the "pansexual people are sex crazed maniacs that'll fuck anything that moves" stereotype, but his attraction to men is pretty consistently played as a joke in ways his attraction to women just...isn't. And there's all the problems with Deadpool 2's representation like reducing Negasonic and Yukio to background characters that don't do anything, and violently killing off one of the first openly gay X-Men from the comics within five minutes of his first appearance by dropping a helicopter on him..
I loved the original pre-Secret Wars series. It felt like they’d captured that rare lightning in a bottle that made Spider-Man so special: a young hero relatable to the youth of the day. I was the same age as Kamala and found her very relatable. But once Marvel pushed her into the Avengers and overexposed her, I did lose interest. In her original solo book, she was keeping her identity secret, even from her family. She had a normal life as a teen. How was she supposed to maintain this while also being a public figure in the world’s foremost superhero team? Marvel got overexcited and matched the character’s real-life popularity with in-universe prominence in a way that felt inorganic to me.
Ms Marvel was the volume that got me into comics in about 2017. I was so used to comics having universe or planetary stakes that it was so nice to have a hero that was just worried about their fellow teens going missing.
your videos made me read ms. marvel (after starting w gwenpool) and i fell in love with it. i don't think i'll ever be a big comic reader, since too many comics are just hard for me to enjoy bc of their treatment of women, but if more series like this come out at some point in the future, who knows? (also, if anyone reading this has any suggestions, i'll give anything a shot for a few issues)
I never understood the criticism of Ms. Marvel and her religious background, do people forget about Daredevil? The guy who bases his entire morality on catholicism.
People don't bat an eye when the main character is christian, but as soon as they're Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, or any other religion, they get all up in arms about it.
Does he? I knew Daredevil is christian but does he have a no killing rule or something? And even if he does its just normal at this point, why does him being christian change anything? Yeah I dunno much about Daredevil...
@@filiposki301 he is catholic, everything about Daredevil form his costume to his morality is based on his religious beliefs, in fact the Netflix TV show focus a lot on his faith.
@@RomeoDeJuliette and what are his morals and why does him being christian affect that? The rules if christianity are basically just "be a decent human being" so I can't imagine him being much different from your typical Batman or Spiderman except for reading the Bible more than they do *Im not acting offended here, these are genuine questions*
I always wondered why Kamala was so popular and this video gave me a good idea of why. Now I'm even more excited for her new D+ Show. I know the change in powers is super weird but, as long as they keep what's important about her character, it'll turn out great. I just hop they keep the scene where she morphs into Carol. That's a great message right there that would work well in live action (Also, it'd be a good chance for a Brie Larson cameo lol)
Great Video Drake! I think it's wild how Marvel and DC don't advertise their comics anywhere else but other comics and specialty stores. Like It'd be incredibly smart and Easy to Put an ad for an upcoming, current or already released Series for a character In front of their movie. I remember when I went to go See TASM 2 before the actual previews started they played Ads for the TASM 2 Toyline and that Tie in Video Game no one talks about. I'd like to imagine that doing something like that but for the comics the movies are bases off of comics related to those could make a huge impact on Comic Sales.
Like I said before, Ms. Marvel is my favorite superhero and I relate to her so much, so thank you for posting this! What a great video that tells me everything I need to know about her! I appreciate you talking about how influential she was to the Muslim community. It made me happy!
16:19 Kid you not, that’s just prompted the idea of a character that is always seen with a backpack. I walk and use public transport, either it’s pockets or a backpack or both. I guess having something in a pocket that seemed unreasonable to exist in such a suit and its (pockets or on person storage) constancy at this point in my life just brought that idea into existence.
I was always a geeky girl but you nailed it on the head when it comes to me! Young Justice was my favorite super hero show since JLU and it made me finally dive into real comics. Including Marvel with Ms. Marvel and the Young Avengers ❤️❤️❤️
I got into comics in 2014 too because of my college’s comic book club. It was a goddamn golden age, especially for new readers Could you do something on the recent Disney shows, please? Moon Knight and Judaism, Ms. Marvel’s powers, and She Hulk’s cg?
You probably won't see this, but your work is one of my favorite. Every one of your videos is always so interesting to watch and I never get bored. Thank you for giving us so much amazing content for free!
Thank you for this video Drake. It was really informative as the “behind-the-scenes” history of these comics are just as intriguing as the stories told in the pages. As much as people would complain about diversity and “Woke” supposedly causing the downfall of the comic industry, this is not the worse that the industry has produced. In terms of writing, there has been a wide range of controversial retcons, character assassinations, idiot plots, etc. Characters and their development would be thrown aside by writers and editors would the sake of a status quo. All of this stuff really infuriates me and possibly many others. The comic industry has had a history of not so great writing that pisses people off but I felt like this negative backlash only just became relevant when diversity and then the political spectrum came into the mix. While they’re are some bad examples of diversity that reinforces people’s negative backlash. I would not just dismiss the concepts that still has potential. P.S. Do you think you should do a response video on the discourse found on MCU Phase 4?
@@user-ui8nx8ul9d Once you look back on comic book history, you’ll tend to notice some problematic stories. I recommend watching videos from Atop the Fourth Wall by Linkara. He goes primarily reviews bad comics and goes over them in detail.
Personally, Miss Marvel is one of my favourite characters to be added to the universe. And admittedly a lot of ANAD Marvel wasn't bad. It just had a lot of spotty moments and some books felt rushed for a lack of a better term. I didn't like how they introduced Ironheart after what they did to Tony but she only really felt like a good character to me a while after once she got her own unique design. Marvel can do so much good with adding representation as long as they take their time and not rush it. The reason why FalCAP and Jane FosThor work is because they were already established characters so it made sense. Even so it did feel like Marvel was just replacing most of their iconic characters for a while with Captain America, Thor and Ironman being out of commission as these new characters came in. hopefully they've learned their lesson. In fact I picked up the Marvel Voices books (specifically the one aimed at Latin characters) and really enjoyed some of what was in it. Even if some of the stories felt a bit forced or overall badly executed, it was still a nice way to connect with characters similar to me as I imagine the other books are for other people. Plus it was an excuse to see White tiger and Reptil again who I swear live in Marvel's shadow realm. Marvel can do a lot of good if they bother to make the characters interesting instead of shoving them into a book first. Miles for instance was polarising but with more time to develop became a fan favorite. Ms Marvel is essentially just that again. She's a fun character who rightly deserves to be in the MCU, even if her existing doesn't fully make sense when the MCU barely knows who Carol is or how they've changed her powers
With all my heart, I love Kamala Khan. This brings me pain to say that I am afraid of what the Ms. Marvel series (premiering June 8, a day before my birthday for added pain). It’s not how Kamala is portrayed, it’s about how they changed her powers. I’ve said it 500 times and I will say this until the end of time, Kamala only really works as an Inhuman. Giving her the Nega Bands or whatever she uses in the series makes no sense to me. Even worse, they just introduced Black Bolt in Doctor Strange 2!
I don't disrespect with your frustration. But body stretching powers can look really gross or weird in modern CGI, so I get changing her to not freak anyone out. Mr Fantastic's powers were uncomfortable to watch in the live action movies. So maybe it's my hangups but I get the decision to change them in live action.
After I get done reading Bone I’ll start reading some Ms. Marvel I love everything the character has appeared in shes a great character and the few stories I gave read Ive enjoy. I Really want to get more invested in this character.
This was a very painful video for me to watch, (but really good and important) I was a kid who grew up in that culture war period that’s only really now ending and it’s pains me to admit I got caught on the wrong side and was the kind of person to complain about the books, I’d like to think I never went full crazy but if I went back in time I’d definitely punch myself in the face, and I weirdly identify with the new warriors fiasco because i like to write nothing I’ve published it’s more of a personal hobby just for myself and a few friends but after realizing how wrong I was I really went hard on diversity and definitely didn’t go about it the right way so that one hit me a bit differently, but now I’ve realized how wrong I was am very excited for the future of these comics and the mcu now that their pushing these characters to the mainstream and I would like to thank drake as he was a huge part in making me realize how terrible my mindset was
Same here, buddy, I started to understand that I was long only half a year ago, I still dislike when I think something is being forced, just like you mentioned new warriors and Ghostbusters 2016, but after watching for a while I started to notice that such people focused only on criticizing the fact that something is diverse rather than looking on it's context. I finished watched Moon Knight recently, It was good, not the best, maybe 8/10, decided to watch these videos and I was appauled, they hated on Leyla for " receiving superpowers without effort" and that she's a generic strong woman, how, why would you think such stuff, she's like Marionne from the Indiana Jones, didn't you watch the show? I'm just done with outrage anti-woke RUclipsrs. Still Anti- radical-woke, but just done with these RUclipsrs
@@user-ui8nx8ul9d True, I definitely see that “earn their powers” crap a lot from those losers. Like, they’re perfectly fine with Spider-Man being bit by some random-ass spider, Superman bring born with his powers, etc, but a female character has to constantly “prove” herself. Hawkeye showed up in the MCU with essentially “hey this is Hawkeye, he’s a superhero who shoots arrows real good!” and everyone just accepted it. Meanwhile Kate Bishop gets a timelapse of her training her whole life to be a great archer, and it’s still not enough to “ExPlAiN” her skill. They also obsess over “why” Jane is worthy of Mjolnir, while there was radio silence for “why” Thor or Vision or Cap or the many male characters who’ve held it in the comics could wield it… also, MCU Captain Marvel got her powers when risking herself to save someone’s life, but she hasn’t “earned” her powers as much as… the millions of other superheroes who were just born with them? These guys really just don’t think women can be skilled or that we’re worthy of having any power at all.
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releasing Ms.Marvel, a geeky fangirl, during the height of tumblr’s heyday/just 2013 in general was such a smart writing move. it’s no wonder that her first run was so popular. it makes so much sense for the world we live in now with social media that there would be people like that in the marvel universe. i’ve always liked that about her character
Her being a super-hero fangirl who wrote fanfics and made geeky references was how I knew about her back then, it sinergized really well with the Tumblr fandom back then.
Ironic, she died off alongside the death of tumblr.
@@ginger-ham4800 no she didn’t she’s literally about to get an mcu show
@@kingofthebis1068 Because Marvel is trying to bring her back, duh? Making shows of obscure or forgotten characters isn't new to the MCU. Eternals, Inhumans, Moon Knight... Literally just got America Chavez to show up even though she's a nobody to noncomicbook fans and reviled by comicbook fans.
You got it wrong her fist run was terrible her sal's were extremely low and the only reason and don't no why they keep pushing a super hero that doesn't do too will and the only reason they making a show out of it is because its athur and spreading the message I love Marvel but alot of people don't no what's actually going on
I love Carol as Captain Marvel, but recently, when I was re-reading a lot of Carol stuff, I realized that she was a much better character before she became Captain Marvel. She used to be a B-list character, meaning that she could have funny filler arcs and adventures that someone like Captain America couldn't. Being a B-list character also meant that she could have more nuanced struggles that all the A-list superheroes don't always have. But, as soon as took on the mantle Captain Marvel, and became A-list, all the old stuff went down the drain. Like her alcoholism and fear that nobody would like her if she didn't have superpowers. I haven't seen that referenced in years.
Yeah, I read her a lot back in the early Ms. Marvel days and she was generally a good read back then. Pretty basic superhero shenanigans with the occasional deeper story (especially in the 80s). More social consciousness about women's rights than other books, but never to the point where it felt like it was her sole reason for existing. As Captain Marvel some of the charm is gone along with the lighter tone of the 70s. So serious these days, at least what I've seen of her.
i mean carol danvers as captain marvel is still a B-lister
@@bercaleon No, she is A-list now. Even the worst Gwenpool comic of all time knows that Carol is A-list.
@@dallasgrey4247 explain why she is an A-Lister but her comic gets cancelled every time? i mean even Miss Marvel Kamala Khan has had better comic runs
edit: in my opinion carol danvers works best in comics like the avengers as a support character.
@@bercaleon Just because a characters comic keeps on getting cancelled, doesn’t mean they aren’t A-list. The X-men have had multiple cancellations and are still A-list.
Kamala is basically the "Spider-Man" for a new age of readers: a young teenage hero with relatable struggles on top of the superheroics with a unique set of powers. The only thing she's missing is an iconic rogues gallery, but Spidey has been kicking butt for 60 years now so he's had time to build that up.
I never even thought of it like that but this makes so much sense now that you say it! Hoping she does get some Iconic villains though
@@deltaovalpanda7805 yeah I feel both Marvel and DC have a problem of making some great new heroes but then just giving them either bad/mediocre villains or dumping pre-existing villains on them
Creating good and interesting villains is hard.
@@zaczane Yeah it is. It honestly takes more effort, but when the villain lands, they really land
I think she doesn’t have a traditional rouges gallery on purpose
That end rant about Marvel comic's marketing being ass is so true! How tf do you have one of the most successful cinema franchises in the world and not even bother to advertise your shit to a large audience.
I mean it ain't even just a Marvel problem it's industry wide
@@logansmith2703 dc has better marketing than marvel honestly, the way marvel wanna make their characters relevant is by makin them exactly like their movie counterparts.
@@blackclover20 Isn't that what people want?
@@jellymatsuryuka6853 no, it just shows that marvel lack the creativity of developing their obscure and rely mostly to the mcu.
@@blackclover20 But people do want characters in the MCU to be like their comic counterparts
She was such a "lightning in a bottle" character. Right place, right time, and her stock as a character grew exponentially. GWW even mentioned that she did have a finale planned if it didn't go beyond 12 issues
Then they dropped the bottle and she went straight back to obscurity.
@@ginger-ham4800 y’all just be lying to lie.
@@ginger-ham4800 I think they need to bring the original Carol Danvers ms marvel kamala khan shouldn't replace her it like replacing spider man with miles instead they didn't they did the smart thing have spider man Coexist with miles they could have done that with kamala khan have her Coexist alongside mis marvel not steeling the name she should have a different superhero name
@@kingofthebis1068 we not it's the truth check the sales it's was never high there are donzens of videos talking about how bad it did when she showed up her sales were bad I don't hate her either but she really didn't do that will they just keep on showing her
@@yarc9 facts
The original run of Ms. Marvel is legitimately one of my favorite comics I've ever read. It's a shame they've never managed to quite recapture that magic (at least imo) with her subsequent books, but it was enough that she's firmly one of my favorite characters, and I'm always excited to see her show up.
Yeah, early days for her were best...so far. We can hope for a return to that, but even her low points are higher than average. A fun character all around.
Although I may be biased, I have a soft spot for "stretchy/morpher" supers in general, they give the artist so much room to get creative and they're usually written to be more upbeat than man supers.
Except that joyless insufferable jerk Reed Richards. The man does not belong in the same club as Kamala and Ralph and Patrick and Luffy and even Jimmy, slightly lame as he is. Elastic Lad just isn't his best transform when held up to the high standards of Giant Turtle Man Jimmy or the absurdist glory of Homo Disastrous super-caveman Jimmy.
The problem with this era of comics was it started out as a genuine initiative to diversify the marvel line up and then they saw the success and started making diverse characters for the sake of money. And it reflected in the writing and care for characters
Yep. Safespace and Snowflake were examples of characters who seemed more designed to pick up advertising by angering reactionaries online. Same goes for that baffling "Young X-Men" thing during the Hickman era.
It still is.
@Oswald Cobblepot yeah. Young rippa did a fantastic job on showing the sales and the actual local interests of the character. I have no idea what Comics Drake and his fans are so defensive for this?
@Oswald Cobblepot alright mind giving me some debunked claims?
"Diverse characters for the sake of money" as the industry has completely imploded
"The Champions, Marvel's answer to Teen Titans"
Yeah, as if there weren't already many of those: Young Avengers, New Warriors, Young Allies, etc. I think for every generation Marvel puts out a group of teenage heroes, while DC just makes new teams of titans.
Marvel just cannot figure out a name because they're all the same thing.
Well DC is guilty of this too. Like what's the difference between the Teen Titans & Young Justice?
@@modmaker7617 well, in the 90's DC wanted to separate their young adult heroes (the original teen titans) and their youngest young heroes (Tim Drake, Superboy, the new Wonder Girl), so they created "Young Justice" for the younger young heroes and "The Titans" for the young heroes not so young. It sounds simple, but as time goes by, an event caused Young Justice and the Titans to split... But then the main members of Young Justice form a new group of Teen Titans, and well, comics are comics.
Marvels stuck to the champions longer than they’ve stuck to the Young avengers at this point.
@@modmaker7617 yeah but that decision is this one off thing, marvel hasn’t stuck with something like dc has with titans
Plus I don't think the Champions are that popular. Their books keep getting very short runs and I never really hear much about them despite the high profile Kamala and Miles involvement. Meanwhile I think the Young Avengers were more successful especially as a lot of the characters majorly introduced in the YA titles have managed to gain greater prominence since then while I can't think of any popular character from Champions who wasn't already popular.
This is a remarkable analysis. And that's the thing, I enjoy my Kamala the same way I enjoy my Peter: friendly neighborhood oriented. The entire Wilson run, for instance, is extraordinary
Agreed. Comics need more street-level heroes, and it fits Kamala and her personal story like a glove. A teen hero who is actually written like a teen would make the most sense protecting her hometown and its surrounding locales, not necessarily the whole world.
@@raziyatheseeker That’s it! I love stories with high stakes as much as the next person, but characters like Kamala and Peter shine in those smaller environments
Marvel has had a lot of success and a lot of failure with progressive comics-
Ms. Marvel is a pretty great character,
And then you have safespace and snowflake on the other hand.
As if they're making fun of progressives.
I still can't believe it they actually did that.
Seriously who's in charge of marvel comics
@@wrestlinganime4life288 *Disney.*
The same people who started the The Force Awakens with a diverse trio of protagonists and then abandoned two of them to make sequel movies with a different creative team that began production before The Force Awakens was even finished being written.
@@normal6483 Disney owns them but I kinda doubt they actually do a whole lot with whatever direction Marvel or Star Wars goes. Someone at Marvel was making bad decisions that likely would’ve been made with or without Disney.
Another "diverse" legacy character that was introduced right around that time (actually just a few months after Ms Marvel #1) was Robbie Reyes as Ghost-Rider, who I really love. He even got a live action adaption only three years later in Agents of Shield season 4, where he was awesome!
But after his original series ended he's been kind of mismanaged in the comics and I hope he gets a solo again soon, because what Aaron is doing with him in Avengers right now is pretty dreadful imo.
Robbie is such a great character who's criminally overlooked!
Agreed. Character deserves better. A very interesting take on the legacy.
Honestly I really like legacy characters
Shame. I was excited to see Robbie on The Avengers. Is it really that bad?
@@nickasaro8789 not really. The only major difference is that Robbie isn't bound to his uncle's spirit anymore (thanks to Johnny who ruled hell at the time). He's had a story arcs where he raced Johnny in hell, resisted brainwashing from Dracula's henchmen and is currently fighting alongside an alternate universe of the Avengers. He has also used his powers to control a dead celestial and the silver surfer's board.
Stan Lee's sentiment was so beautiful. Sad to see so some marvel "fans" be so against it.
I was one of the people who got into comic books by picking up Ms. Marvel (& Kelly Sue DeConnick Captain Marvel). She really made an impact on me in high school, made me honestly a more open-minded person & helped me accept my queer identity as I really related to the struggles Zoë went through.
She literally means so much to me & I am excited and nervous to see how the MCU will interpret her in the show.
Hey Drake! I read a lot of marvel comics throughout the "sjw marvel" phase, but while I did read a lot of books, only a few I could actively remember as very good, most of them weren´t awful or anything, but not memorable, are there any recommendations from that era you could offer that maybe I missed?
Did you read that Young Avengers, that ish was awesome 👌 👏🏾 👍 😍 💖.
Surprised it ended.
If you didn't check out Jane Foster Mighty Thor, I'd recommend giving it a shot, I really enjoyed it/ (Most of Jason Aaron's run was really fun imo)
Read both volumes of Unstoppable Wasp! They're amazing!
Uncanny Avengers, miles morales, Spider-Gwen, Hawkeye, ANAD Wolverine, and Iceman are some of my favorites from the era.
@@geakan9604 you think there’s enough there that Jane has a chance to be good in the next Thor movie? Personally not looking forward to her appearance, mostly because Jane Foster was so boring in the movies she appeared in, there’s a reason no one was upset when Thor’s friends got killed in ragnorak and she just offscreen dumped him
it's really just, so nice to be able to have someone who's not a crazed anti-woke type talk about this stuff. love ya drake 10/10 as always
@@George_Fl0yd yeah both sides have there assholes, it’s harder to respect peoples opinions on media now because of this
@@George_Fl0yd I don’t get the reference
Tbh woke do be corny.
@@blackclover20 yeah like new warriors, we can all agree that shit was pathetic
I have not watched this video but based on your comment I already like this channel.
You said you started this channel to convince people to give the hobby a shot, and you definitely succeeded with me.
I had never really had a real interest in comics outside of videos like yours to know who certain MCU characters were. But after seeing your Radiant Black video, when I was at my comic/tabletop game store looking for board games and I saw the Radiant Black volume 1 trade, I went ahead and bought it.
I am now keeping up with Radiant Black, Radiant Red, Rogue Sun, I've read Shadecraft, and I'm about to go buy the first issues of a couple new books. You and the great folks at my local shop that have been nothing but friendly in answering my 4 million questions are the reason why I'm so into this hobby.
Crazy to learn I only started reading comics right after you (early 2015)! Though jumping in at the height of the Inhumans is exactly why I love that era for them and all the NuHumans (I need more Inferno in my life). Kamala was easily cemented as one of my favorite characters and I now own all her trades.
My one big critique for this video (because overall it was good and well researched as usual) is that at the end you kept saying "it wasn't all bad", but you never mention a single good rec or something to counteract a couple misteps that got very overblown.
Marvel definitely oversaturated themselves with new diverse characters. Without giving any particular one the spotlight during crossovers, and *really* not caring about the quality of the writing in some notable cases, potential fans were given nothing to invest themselves in.
She’s definitely one of my top 5 superheroes for sure. Her comics are so much fun.
@@abhishek_singh9 forgive me if I don’t believe you but I’ve heard people say this about literally every piece of media with a diverse cast
@@kingofthebis1068 You hit the nail on the head, there
Sure but kinda disrespectful to one of the targeted audiences, Muslims
@@Shinigami-jt5wm you know nothing about me leave me alone loser.
@Asmodeus Guy I’ve literally got hundreds of paper back trades, 12 hardcover omnibuses, and marvel unlimited. I also pirate DC stuff.
thanks for always being a real person and not just chasing clickbait outrage like so many nerd channels do these days
Your explanation of why her powers are important are a fantastic reference point to why changing them is soooo awful
a shapeshifting confused Islamic neighborhooding girl to a lame american shining valley girl
"Making this power set perfect for this character and this storyline."
You hear that Kevin Feige?
To be fair, stretching powers look really bad in live action films. Which is why I'm not confident in Netflix's One Peice tv show
Did you also hear Feige talking about how the changing of her powers is in accordance to how her story is done to fit into the greater MCU? Kamala’s powers were perfect for her character and storyline in the comics world she existed in, but the MCU is different and has different needs for its universe’s storytelling and changing her powers is to fit into that need.
You don’t have to like that they changed her powers, but let’s not pretend that they changed it simply because Feige somehow doesn’t understand her character.
@@CaptainPikeachu even the creators of the character said that changing her powers was a good decision
Stan Lee was an absolute giga Chad for saying that.
The fact that the dope stuff he said in that clip is so reminiscent of the stuff he said in Stan's Soapbox for like 50 years also rules.
@@morganbrokaw5190 Yeah, it doesn't have the hollow feel similar statements by politicians and corporate execs often do. He's got the past history to make it feel real.
I read Ms Marvel and it's petty good.
I can't argue about the religious stuff, I mean Daredevil is full on with his religion, how is this any different?
The only thing I hate about Ms Marvel is that the upcoming show changed her powers.
I would love for Daredevil and Ms Marvel to talk about their religious beliefs and how it relates to fighting crime/helping people. Also if they introduce Ben Grimm, I would like him to be part of the conversation as well. I know religion was not super important to him, but I do like how he became a good representation of characters associated with Judaism.
"I mean Daredevil is full on with his religion, how is this any different?"
Rather obviously, Catholicism isn't demonized by bigots nearly as much as Islam is.
Which I find quite amusing, because if you actually listen to what a lot of the Fundamentalists think about the subject, the Pope is Satan's lapdog and "mislead" Christians are worse than heathens. They're kind of careful not to talk about it too loudly in public, but I got forced into attending Fundy bible studies with some of these loons and when they think they're preaching to the choir the anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic rhetoric is on full display. Used to be much more of a mainstream attitude too, and not all that long ago - JFK caused great concern in the country when he was elected because some people were afraid a Catholic president would put Rome's interests ahead of those of the US.
That Stan Lee snip got me in literal tears. He was truly a Good Man.
I second that motion for DC, Marvel and other publishers to hire comic drake for marketing/advertising; I love his passion and energy when he tells us about these characters and stories
The lack of marketing is a major issue that people overlook in terms of issues with superhero comics
Yep, the only recent comic commercial I ever saw was for Death Metal, like, in 2018 or something
Speaking for me, I would prefer Marvel not introduce any new characters for a few years and instead dive into their deep bench of underdeveloped international heroes and make them into good characters as well.
To anyone trying to get into Comics, I highly recommend there books:
-The Immortal Hulk
-Avengers (2018)
-Anything X-Men since 2019
Is house of X a good starting point for getting into modern X-men?
@@slothful2039 yes, it absolutely is. You should read the Powers Of X as well, as they kinda tie in if you didn't know
The 2018 Avengers run wasn't really interesting imo, Aaron tried some things, but I would rank his run below Hickman and Bendis.
Current Marvel is like walking through a minefield. For every successful step, you get heroes like Ms Marvel, Miles Morales, etc. However take one wrong step and you end up with shit like Ironheart.
Marvel has had some truly awesome series the last 4 years.
Daredevil, Venom, Spider-Woman, Thor, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Hellions
I really liked snowguard from the champions books, a mystical shapeshifter with magical connections to spirits. She was honestly one of my favorite parts of that series, and it makes me sad that she wasn't given more time to shine.
The biggest issue with pushing all these new characters is that if you find one you like, chances are theyre stuck in limbo since theyre either not super popular or marvel doesnt know what to do with them (please give me more gwenpool i beg of you)
A good story needs to be number 1.
A good story can be enjoy universally regardless if you relate or not, some stories require specific details (such as political edge (like the winter Solider film benefited from it) but others don't (like endgame which works due to being able to stick the landing to a decade long story arc in a satisfying method.)
A good story ultimately just works
*enjoyed
After you announced this video, and I saw the trailer for the series, I thought I’d give the series a read and honestly it’s a very good read.
As a young person, I like the older characters a bit more than the new ones. It's probably because they had more time to marinate in character development, while new characters are dry but marvel really wants me to eat when they're not ready.
I got to be honest I could care less about the politics surrounding it, I’ll leave that debate to someone else, I just like Kamala because I think she’s a fun character that although I would never call myself “hip and trendy” I can definitely relate to the nerd culture and fanfic side of Ms. Marvel.
Like anything else I’m just here for good stories and enjoyable characters and I think I can happily say I like Kamala.
So yeah in my opinion I think she’s a good character and I hope the TV show coming up can reflect her character in a good light and won’t end up like the other show I try to adapt Inhuman characters.
#MsMarvelKamala
Great job on the video. It was quite informative and entertaining.
I like Ms.Marvel and her story. She's definitely a cool character and hopefully the show and movie does her character justice (even with the minor changes)
Umm, didn't the show change her powers? I wouldn't really call that "does her character justice". (or even a minor change.)
Those changes are major Tony, I hate to say it.
@@keelanbarron928 the early reviews say it’s a great show
The tumblr days were really the huge push for diversity. Marvel caught on at the right time and dc was late to the party. Now dc is trying to work on their diversity(which is a slow uphill battle) and marvel is more focused on character development for their diverse characters.
Carol Danvers was so cool in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
@@ldcg106 she was great in that series and yeah avengers assemble just wasn't as good with it lacking the story or finesse that Mightiest Heroes provided
@@ldcg106 what avengers assemble yeah I watched at first but the only one I finished was Ultimate Spider-Man after awhile I just got bored with how it wasn't Mightiest Heroes and to me it just wasn't that good. What can I say I really loved that series and everything else just seems like a lesser version
@@ldcg106 yeah I loved Wolverine and the X-Men when I was younger but yeah unlike DC which has many animated shows which defined generations with rich storytelling suitable for everyone marvel seems to like to have these shows for kids only restricting the amount of people interested as they made something for kids not for fans.
@@ldcg106 yeah which is actually insulting to the kids they are not dumb they can understand more than you expect them to.
I can always rely on you to make me feel included in the comic community
I loved the series, it was incredibly fun in my opinion and really made her a character that i want to see in the cinema.
Marvel shot themselves in the foot by introducing a lot of these diverse characters all at once, especially the characters that replaced the ones before them.
I think a lot of these newer characters are really good, but for a while there Marvel didn't do a good job at not making it feel forced
She is one of my new favorite marvel heroes that were created. I only read her first run till much later but was definitely still good
Ah Kamala. The character who started “woke” marvel and the one who definitely did it the best.
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I would say Moon Girl aka Lunella Lafayette is also a good character
@@teamrocket7400 oh hell no actually. Trump sucks ass. That’s why I put woke in quotes. I just genuinely don’t enjoy most of those characters. I might wanna try moon girl like the comment below said though.
@@teamrocket7400 but is he wrong?
And she bombed at the streaming service
Diversity ≠ Inclusion. Mainstream companies need to understand that lesson.
Great character! The thing she needs is a Spider-man level Rogue gallery. The bad guys make the stories. She has a dumb parrot guy. Even when he was a neighborhood level hero, he had really weird and cool baddies. Stories are always the goal.
I'm excited to watch this video, she's one of my favorite Marvel characters, but I'm going to have to delete it from my viewing history afterward because the word "SJW" in the title is going to absolutely ruin my recommended videos
Really do need to put out that Marvel has put out PLENTY of garbage featuring straight white male characters over the years, too
Champions was the book that brought me into comics, and I love it
People will complain about "woke" Marvel. I warn them Marvel was woke before woke was a word. Get use to it.
The X-Men is effectively a radical activist militia of people outcast for being who they are.
They were always progressive, it’s just now those people are adults and are starting to see it through. Scott from NerdSync said it best when he said that when you have people who don’t want politics in their comics, they wanna go back to being ignorant about the world. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, that word has been used so many times, it’s lost all meaning.
@@carbootstudios2459 Maybe
The thing is being "woke" is fine, but there's a difference. No one wants to be lectured.
@@l0sts0ul89 Not to some people and frankly this attitude is going worse. I guess Winter Soldier is a bad movie now for being "woke" about the government not being trustworthy.
"I'm guessing there been, like, 2 or 3 ad breaks by now?"
*2 ads immediately play and makes drake report himself*
I'm a Gen Xer, and an older one at that. If I were 5 years old, I'd be a boomer. I was a typical comic book fan as a kid in the late 70s and early 80s, reading mostly Spider-Man and the Hulk. Then I grew up, and like a lot of people (but obviously not all people) of my generation, I quit reading them. Kamala Khan got me back into the world of comic books. I had already become a fan of the MCU films, but I hadn't gotten back into comic books. But then I just started hearing and reading so many great reviews of the then new Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) that I decided to pick up a few issues and read them. Now I have a collection, not only of Ms Marvel, but also Captain Marvel, the old Carol Danvers Ms Marvel, Eternals, and a bunch of other titles I found interesting for whatever reason.
Looking at the whole "MSHEU" woke is bad vs the "Social Justice Marvel shills" debate in videos like Nerdotic or Critical Drinker, I hate the unnecessary hatred of both sides towards people who might just want to watch a Ms.Marvel show or read up her comics. I am firmly in the middle side not wanting to hate on something just because it has women or minorities in it, but I do want a good product to read or watch from Marvel.
Drinker and Nerdrotic threw one of their own under the bus when MoistCritikal and Phillip DeFranco got involved.
@@fulcrum6760 Can you give context
@@bigchill4203 One of their own, Robert, made a cringe review to Parasite and the ones who saw it were MoistCritikal and Phillip DeFranco which were two big RUclipsrs so they threw him under the bus to avoid the wrath of both of them. He’s no longer invited into podcasts too.
@@fulcrum6760 lollll
@@bigchill4203 Also Robert taunted Charlie in a podcast with Andy Signore saying he doesn’t have the balls to come over. Let’s be honest: If he did, Jeremy, Robert and Andy would be done for alongside the Fandom Menace cause no one would survive Charlie.
“Two or three ad breaks”
Immediately gets an ad.
“Good one Mr. Drake.”
THANK💗YOU For Including
That #StanLee Snippit.
He Was Sooo Wonderful &
Understanding... I Even Got
A #MEGO Doll Of Him!
My 1st Comic Was Literally
This HUMONGOUS Chistmas
Annual; I STILL Have & 2nd
Was #Transformers #3 (Spidey).
I Just Adore How He Totally
Includes: "Gender & Bigotry".
Much Like #LindaCarter Does
Thesedays! She's A Real Life
#WonderWoman in EVERY Sense!
You'd think it would have clicked with people that if "go woke go broke" was true cooperation (which are motivated almost solely by profits) would have given up by now.
Honestly you'd think right wing people would understand capitalism better than they seem to do haha.
Hard to go broken when you're got Disney backing, and angel investors that want to keep pushing this kind of crap on people because... I dunno, they think we're all gonna turn into nazis or some stupid shit.
Just a funny sidenote, right after you brought up the ads two ads played back to back on the video. I just thought that was pretty amusing that that happened to me. Anyhow enjoy the ad revenue, you deserve it. Keep up the good work.
2012 is what I like to declare as "The Shift Year", it's just crazy how things have turned out since then
Its been alright but I still dont like ms marvel
2014 was the big shift for me, but '12 seems accurate too.
As a response to the middle of the video, I'd just like to say that you're basically half the reason I'm currently into comics. I first found you from The Game Theorists and then followed you to your at-the-time main channel, and then I followed you here. I honestly don't think that if I hadn't started watching your videos, I would've even considered reading any non-Sonic/Mega Man comics. But I did watch your videos, and now I'm a huge comic fan. So... thanks, I guess
I’m shocked that this man only started reading comics in 2014, it seems like he has been reading them his whole life. 🤯
10:14 Basically early Power Rangers, _especially_ the MMPR pilot where they didn't even remotely _try_ to pass them off as teenagers.
If I were to place diverse characters, I would want to handle them as people you wanna care for or be relatable and add new ones but definitely need to take time that everybody need to know a better.
19:13 that was perfectly timed an ad played a second later hahah
I know you said it in your video but my issue really is they pushed so hard into diversity that they didn't bother writing interesting characters. My mindset with diversity has always been "Can you insert any other person into their shoes?" Like Miles Morales for example, he's your average kid growing up in a hectic city, has personal issues at home, viewed his power as a curse rather than a blessing until later learning it's not what you want to do but have to do, he just happens to be black. Yes I know he's mixed but you get my point.
At the end of the day I want the best person at the job to be doing the job, not just because they're ethnic but because they're the best at it. Hope I've expressed myself well enough.
I agree.
The problem is that kind of limits the amounts of stories you can actually tell. There are tons of interesting stories specifically about queerness or race tahat by definition can't be universally relatable because some people don't experience it.
@@ravenfrancis1476 I get what you're staying but I think you misunderstood my point. My point is write an interesting character and make them relatable then you can add the toppings later. Deadpool is a good example of this. He's pansexual but that single characteristic doesn't define him as a character it adds to him. Loki also applies to this. In lore and in the MCU/TV series it's said he's slept with animals, other entities, male, female, he's very much genderfluid but again he's more of than just that.
Going to sounds like a broken record here, sorry. But a character should be the sum of their parts not just one defining characteristic.
@@cuzzbaby I mean, on some level you're not wrong. But people's identities do play an important part in shaping who they are as a person. Unless they're in a world that's, like, a hyper-progressive utopia if they're a minority that's going to significantly impact their lives in ways I don't really think people who aren't minorities can't really conceptualize. Like, a lot of my interactions with people have been colored by the fact I'm an autistic bisexual trans woman. I'm going to have a different experience in most environments than a neurotypical cisgender heterosexual person.
I also think if you're going to use examples of 'good representation' you shouldn't use examples the community they're supposed to be representing are fairly consistently disappointed in. Loki's bisexuality was only mentioned in a single throwaway line, and the writer had to fight to get that in (the writer that fought to include it is also conveniently the only writer not returning for season 2) and Loki's genderfluidity was functionally erased by all the other Loki's reacting as if a woman Loki was significant enough to warrant confusion, and the writer angrily dismissed genderfluid people who called him put on it.
Deadpool is a bit better, admittedly, but not by much. Not only does he play into the "pansexual people are sex crazed maniacs that'll fuck anything that moves" stereotype, but his attraction to men is pretty consistently played as a joke in ways his attraction to women just...isn't. And there's all the problems with Deadpool 2's representation like reducing Negasonic and Yukio to background characters that don't do anything, and violently killing off one of the first openly gay X-Men from the comics within five minutes of his first appearance by dropping a helicopter on him..
Ms. Marvel is what drew me to Marvel comics as well. Eventually DC comics.
"I guess by this point there's been two or three ad breaks by now" -comic drake, immediately preceding an ad
I loved the original pre-Secret Wars series. It felt like they’d captured that rare lightning in a bottle that made Spider-Man so special: a young hero relatable to the youth of the day. I was the same age as Kamala and found her very relatable. But once Marvel pushed her into the Avengers and overexposed her, I did lose interest. In her original solo book, she was keeping her identity secret, even from her family. She had a normal life as a teen. How was she supposed to maintain this while also being a public figure in the world’s foremost superhero team? Marvel got overexcited and matched the character’s real-life popularity with in-universe prominence in a way that felt inorganic to me.
They’re doing the same thing in the MCU too
“I guess there’s been two or three ad breaks by now?”
Immediate ad break.
Ms Marvel was the volume that got me into comics in about 2017. I was so used to comics having universe or planetary stakes that it was so nice to have a hero that was just worried about their fellow teens going missing.
19:15 right as you were talking about ad breaks I got an ad 😂 also great video as always 👍
Marvel is trying to be on the right side of history. I can't hate that.
your videos made me read ms. marvel (after starting w gwenpool) and i fell in love with it. i don't think i'll ever be a big comic reader, since too many comics are just hard for me to enjoy bc of their treatment of women, but if more series like this come out at some point in the future, who knows?
(also, if anyone reading this has any suggestions, i'll give anything a shot for a few issues)
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur was a really good series in my opinion! An animated show is being produced as well!
I got an ad right at the moment you mentioned it lol
I never understood the criticism of Ms. Marvel and her religious background, do people forget about Daredevil? The guy who bases his entire morality on catholicism.
Yeah but she’s a Muslim, and in post 9/11 world… Well… I’m sure you can put together why people didn’t like her because of her religious background.
People don't bat an eye when the main character is christian, but as soon as they're Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, or any other religion, they get all up in arms about it.
Does he? I knew Daredevil is christian but does he have a no killing rule or something? And even if he does its just normal at this point, why does him being christian change anything? Yeah I dunno much about Daredevil...
@@filiposki301 he is catholic, everything about Daredevil form his costume to his morality is based on his religious beliefs, in fact the Netflix TV show focus a lot on his faith.
@@RomeoDeJuliette and what are his morals and why does him being christian affect that? The rules if christianity are basically just "be a decent human being" so I can't imagine him being much different from your typical Batman or Spiderman except for reading the Bible more than they do
*Im not acting offended here, these are genuine questions*
I always wondered why Kamala was so popular and this video gave me a good idea of why. Now I'm even more excited for her new D+ Show. I know the change in powers is super weird but, as long as they keep what's important about her character, it'll turn out great. I just hop they keep the scene where she morphs into Carol. That's a great message right there that would work well in live action (Also, it'd be a good chance for a Brie Larson cameo lol)
knowing that you love them too, could you please consider a "Young Avengers" video? Or is that in the plan for their inevitable future movie?
7:43 isn't this word for word how you described inhumans in that "why the INHUMANS FLOPPED" video from a couple years back lmao
(not judging, btw, just thought it was humerous)
It's called economic writing. 😎👉👉
Great Video Drake! I think it's wild how Marvel and DC don't advertise their comics anywhere else but other comics and specialty stores. Like It'd be incredibly smart and Easy to Put an ad for an upcoming, current or already released Series for a character In front of their movie. I remember when I went to go See TASM 2 before the actual previews started they played Ads for the TASM 2 Toyline and that Tie in Video Game no one talks about. I'd like to imagine that doing something like that but for the comics the movies are bases off of comics related to those could make a huge impact on Comic Sales.
Like I said before, Ms. Marvel is my favorite superhero and I relate to her so much, so thank you for posting this! What a great video that tells me everything I need to know about her! I appreciate you talking about how influential she was to the Muslim community. It made me happy!
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Kid you not, that’s just prompted the idea of a character that is always seen with a backpack.
I walk and use public transport, either it’s pockets or a backpack or both. I guess having something in a pocket that seemed unreasonable to exist in such a suit and its (pockets or on person storage) constancy at this point in my life just brought that idea into existence.
I got into comics through my interest in the movies, and I started with Ms. Marvel
"How do you do, fellow kids" with Mark Waid made me laugh more than it should.
3:52 You tell’em Stan!
18:33 someone looked at that sentence and said it was fine…….. think about that.
I was always a geeky girl but you nailed it on the head when it comes to me! Young Justice was my favorite super hero show since JLU and it made me finally dive into real comics. Including Marvel with Ms. Marvel and the Young Avengers ❤️❤️❤️
I got into comics in 2014 too because of my college’s comic book club. It was a goddamn golden age, especially for new readers
Could you do something on the recent Disney shows, please? Moon Knight and Judaism, Ms. Marvel’s powers, and She Hulk’s cg?
You probably won't see this, but your work is one of my favorite. Every one of your videos is always so interesting to watch and I never get bored. Thank you for giving us so much amazing content for free!
The “ah, its raw!” bit at the end of the video, was so striking that I can’t stop laughing 😂
honestly Kamala and Miles got me back into comics
Thank you for this video Drake.
It was really informative as the “behind-the-scenes” history of these comics are just as intriguing as the stories told in the pages.
As much as people would complain about diversity and “Woke” supposedly causing the downfall of the comic industry, this is not the worse that the industry has produced.
In terms of writing, there has been a wide range of controversial retcons, character assassinations, idiot plots, etc. Characters and their development would be thrown aside by writers and editors would the sake of a status quo.
All of this stuff really infuriates me and possibly many others.
The comic industry has had a history of not so great writing that pisses people off but I felt like this negative backlash only just became relevant when diversity and then the political spectrum came into the mix.
While they’re are some bad examples of diversity that reinforces people’s negative backlash. I would not just dismiss the concepts that still has potential.
P.S.
Do you think you should do a response video on the discourse found on MCU Phase 4?
Don't know much about Marvel screwups, besides The Clone Saga, but DC's New 52 definitely was a massive bummer
@@user-ui8nx8ul9d Once you look back on comic book history, you’ll tend to notice some problematic stories.
I recommend watching videos from Atop the Fourth Wall by Linkara. He goes primarily reviews bad comics and goes over them in detail.
@@marcoa6319 thank you for your recommendation, I'll definitely watch it!)
I personally liked Kamala Kahn ms marvel she’s really awesome and tons of fun.
Kamala Khan and the Batgirl of Burnside was what got me into comics.
Literal ad break as Drake talks about ad breaks, great cut xD
But for real, great video Drake, very informative!
Personally, Miss Marvel is one of my favourite characters to be added to the universe. And admittedly a lot of ANAD Marvel wasn't bad. It just had a lot of spotty moments and some books felt rushed for a lack of a better term. I didn't like how they introduced Ironheart after what they did to Tony but she only really felt like a good character to me a while after once she got her own unique design. Marvel can do so much good with adding representation as long as they take their time and not rush it.
The reason why FalCAP and Jane FosThor work is because they were already established characters so it made sense. Even so it did feel like Marvel was just replacing most of their iconic characters for a while with Captain America, Thor and Ironman being out of commission as these new characters came in. hopefully they've learned their lesson. In fact I picked up the Marvel Voices books (specifically the one aimed at Latin characters) and really enjoyed some of what was in it. Even if some of the stories felt a bit forced or overall badly executed, it was still a nice way to connect with characters similar to me as I imagine the other books are for other people. Plus it was an excuse to see White tiger and Reptil again who I swear live in Marvel's shadow realm.
Marvel can do a lot of good if they bother to make the characters interesting instead of shoving them into a book first. Miles for instance was polarising but with more time to develop became a fan favorite. Ms Marvel is essentially just that again. She's a fun character who rightly deserves to be in the MCU, even if her existing doesn't fully make sense when the MCU barely knows who Carol is or how they've changed her powers
Seeing Kamala Khan in live action is going to get some getting used to, with her new power set, but worth it!
With all my heart, I love Kamala Khan. This brings me pain to say that I am afraid of what the Ms. Marvel series (premiering June 8, a day before my birthday for added pain). It’s not how Kamala is portrayed, it’s about how they changed her powers. I’ve said it 500 times and I will say this until the end of time, Kamala only really works as an Inhuman. Giving her the Nega Bands or whatever she uses in the series makes no sense to me. Even worse, they just introduced Black Bolt in Doctor Strange 2!
I don't disrespect with your frustration. But body stretching powers can look really gross or weird in modern CGI, so I get changing her to not freak anyone out. Mr Fantastic's powers were uncomfortable to watch in the live action movies. So maybe it's my hangups but I get the decision to change them in live action.
@@rvawildcardwolf2843 The fact they were aesthetically gross and unappealing is a core part of her story, though.
After I get done reading Bone I’ll start reading some Ms. Marvel I love everything the character has appeared in shes a great character and the few stories I gave read Ive enjoy. I Really want to get more invested in this character.
This was a very painful video for me to watch, (but really good and important) I was a kid who grew up in that culture war period that’s only really now ending and it’s pains me to admit I got caught on the wrong side and was the kind of person to complain about the books, I’d like to think I never went full crazy but if I went back in time I’d definitely punch myself in the face, and I weirdly identify with the new warriors fiasco because i like to write nothing I’ve published it’s more of a personal hobby just for myself and a few friends but after realizing how wrong I was I really went hard on diversity and definitely didn’t go about it the right way so that one hit me a bit differently, but now I’ve realized how wrong I was am very excited for the future of these comics and the mcu now that their pushing these characters to the mainstream and I would like to thank drake as he was a huge part in making me realize how terrible my mindset was
Same here, buddy, I started to understand that I was long only half a year ago, I still dislike when I think something is being forced, just like you mentioned new warriors and Ghostbusters 2016, but after watching for a while I started to notice that such people focused only on criticizing the fact that something is diverse rather than looking on it's context. I finished watched Moon Knight recently, It was good, not the best, maybe 8/10, decided to watch these videos and I was appauled, they hated on Leyla for " receiving superpowers without effort" and that she's a generic strong woman, how, why would you think such stuff, she's like Marionne from the Indiana Jones, didn't you watch the show? I'm just done with outrage anti-woke RUclipsrs. Still Anti- radical-woke, but just done with these RUclipsrs
@@user-ui8nx8ul9d True, I definitely see that “earn their powers” crap a lot from those losers. Like, they’re perfectly fine with Spider-Man being bit by some random-ass spider, Superman bring born with his powers, etc, but a female character has to constantly “prove” herself. Hawkeye showed up in the MCU with essentially “hey this is Hawkeye, he’s a superhero who shoots arrows real good!” and everyone just accepted it. Meanwhile Kate Bishop gets a timelapse of her training her whole life to be a great archer, and it’s still not enough to “ExPlAiN” her skill. They also obsess over “why” Jane is worthy of Mjolnir, while there was radio silence for “why” Thor or Vision or Cap or the many male characters who’ve held it in the comics could wield it… also, MCU Captain Marvel got her powers when risking herself to save someone’s life, but she hasn’t “earned” her powers as much as… the millions of other superheroes who were just born with them? These guys really just don’t think women can be skilled or that we’re worthy of having any power at all.
I just came here to say that the second you said there have probably been 2 or 3 ad breaks it immediately cut to an ad. Excellent timing
Always love these. You rock!
Really informative! I can't say I won't do research on my own, but this answers questions I've had in mind. Thank you and great work!