The way the stories were written for civil war 2 and following directly wanted to paint her as the one in the right. Even though she got tons of people killed, wanted to Incarcerate PoC for looking too suspicious cause some inhuman that can see futures for possible timelines that have no connection to the current universe said that it might happen. Just long stretch of dumb decisions
Iron man literally proved multiple times that the vision was not set in stone, and were just predictions, possibilities at most. And captain marvel has the balls to not only murder iron man, but say it was not her fault? She let heroes die. And hopefully she gets what is coming to her
This event happened years ago and since then no one has even tried to make her accountable for what happened on CW II, which is pretty hypocrite since even to this day Tony still gets backlash for what happened on the og CW
Okay so let's arrest miles because there's a future where he might kill Captain America, but Captain Marvel gets a promotion essentially after killing Tony stark? What kind of numbnut wrote this
I always thought that Captain Marvel and Ms.Marvel are two very different Carol Danvers where the Ms. Marvel persona is the humble Carol while the Captain Marvel persona is a corrupted persona, who which got overwhelmed mentally with power to the point that she lost a good chunk of morality in favor of being stronger. It's ironic really, going for a more fully clothed look would make the character less likable as opposed to keeping the original black suited design that was from Ms.Marvel that everyone adored.
Captain marvels current run is critically acclaimed and she desperately tried to stop this war, not to mention she literally put everything on the line to defend the avengers. This man literally took this charecter out of context
I mean Hydra is honestly better than Carol Danvers in a way because they atleast have some sense and wouldn’t act on just a vision they see unlike Carol over there who bothers to arrest someone innocent and tries to arrest a child for doing something they would never do
*kidnapps random woman because of a prediction, kills two of the most valuable avengers*... *Gets promoted to the leader of all superheroes*.... 🙃 what?
So they just proved that Ulysses’ fucking powers are basically like Dr Strange peaking into the future and can change depending on how things go when Captain America and Miles met up but Captain Marvel still goes to arrest Miles even after seeing that nothing went wrong at all. What was going through the writer’s mind Jesus Christ
More like the writer also hated captain marvel, and honestly lets face it this is what captain marvel would do, an egotistical femi-nazi (not a feminist, those people are actually doing good in the world.) with self esteem issues that's now overcompensating with powers.
Miles: *Is shown in a mass hallucination that he will kill Captain America.* Instant pariah, banished from fight, screams and cries. Captain Marvel: *Causes 3 deaths, directly kills a 4th. Knows cause is wrong, goes with it anyway.* Here are the keys to the kingdom, m'lady. Go lead us into a bright, new future. Fuck me.
Carol isn't a feminist if she lets other women suffer and die. Look at how in the comic, she tortures a woman and let's she hulk die. She's just horribly written, and it's just Marvel's attempt at making a feminist superhero. DC did it better with wonder woman. Honestly, Spiderman and X-Men are the decent heroes in Marvel but the other can be mid or questionable. Not all but heroes such as iron man and captain marvel are very questionable. Don't forget ant Man
While I understand this event was made to be a "civil war" event while the movie was coming out, but like god damn bro Carol is so far up her own ass. IMO the only good thing that came out of this event was hydra cap that lead into secret empire
Civil war 2 event makes the Civil War 1 look like freakin' masterpiece. Edit: in case anyone asks why, civil war 1 had real stakes while civil war 2 was a battle between egos Civil war 1 was more tense, darker and writers were smart enough to keep the fight grounded between tony and steve (and the heroes who supported them) and didn't include powerhouses like hulk, thor and most importantly *DR STRANGE* Ending was emotional. Steve looks at the destroyed city ,his tears rolling down and surrendering himself to the police even tho he won and proved tony wrong. Civil war 2 had nothing emotional on that level
My least favorite part was the birth of "HULK" She-Hulk. That was almost as bad as the Mockingbird series. Mostly because of the Phantom Rider stuff. That was already a can of worms and then they made it questionably worse.
@@biecie i agree , she hulk is a character of her own and very different from banner, the worst part of the story according to me was when ETERNITY came and took that young inhuman with him, like tf? Just bcoz he can see the probable future, even dr strange or wanda could see that.
I've always hated that glowstick girl,she always thinks she's right and is such a jerk and prick. She uses her powers to get what she wants and all she can do is fly and blast energy. But her killing Tony over what she thinks for no reason? That makes me hate her even more.
The part where miles killed cap is true it only did not happen because it didn't meet a certain criteria. It will only happen if miles knew that cap is an hydra agent first
@Ray there’s multiple reasons why I dislike this character. 1. Her actions in this very comic. 2. Her being insanely powerful on top of being kind of a prick. (Comic Version) 3. The story going out of their way to cutting her some slack despite her TERRIBLE decisions. 4. Her actress in the MCU whose also played by a real life prick. 5. The MCU version of the character also being a prick!! Like you can’t have both the comic and MCU versions being unlikable There’s a reason why other female characters are just better received that this character for example Wonder Woman. Also if you’re insanely powerful and you’re a prick, with no good reason to be a prick, (a good writing prick I can think of is Homelander), then ppl are just not gonna like the character. There’s a reason Superman is LOVED, cause he’s a pretty chill dude who has all that power and chooses to be the best of us, and why the evil Superman trope is getting played out.
@Ray I’m convinced you don’t know much about Carol Danvers at all. She’s 1. Let puppet master blow himself up instead of saving him like a HERO would, and even lied to her teammates about it. 2. Blamed ALL the mutants for the actions of Magneto 3. When she was the leader of S.H.I.E.L.D in general she made AWFUL (and prick) decisions!!!!! 4. The MCU is definitely a good reason to not like a character because that’s the mainstream media, Iron Man literally would not be where he is today if it wasn’t for the MCU, the MCU nowadays could really make lesser known characters glow up so if BOTH comic and MCU versions aren’t likable then why would anyone get invested in the character!!
Tony's currently back and getting fisted by Hulk-Thor in the outer reaches of space, so it's not like his death is 'that' big a deal~ Jokes aside, I'm just curious on why Miles would even kill Cap given out of all the possibilities tied to the event. Also Carol Danvers 616 was usually a decent character til this particular arc; not sure why they went that direction with her, especially with her side of the argument having more faults. Figure that she'd be the "Captain America" of this Civil War event, but I guess they needed to show that Tony learned since the first CW or whatever
in secret empire the panel were miles kills cap is shown, this is the arc were cap was part of hydra and all of that, in the end he decided to not kill this hydra version of cap
@@RrowdyBeast in the Civil War 2 story they show Hydra Cap behind the scenes instigating the events in the story, so it’s implied that Miles kills him due to Captain America being part of Hydra BUT since both Miles and Cap were informed that Miles was gonna kill him, it led to Cap not making any more moves that would cause suspicion which in turn made him look innocent. (One of the only good elements of this horrendous story)
Original Civil War: Tries to make a morally grey storyline about how to approach superhero identities and responsibility. Failed due to poor editorial choices, a weak story and one side acting like fascists. Civil War 2: A story about a side saying that pre-emptive murder and arrest are okay because there's a chance of something bad vs a side saying "what the fuck, no, that's insane". Y'know, the original at least tried but was poorly handled. This shit is just dumb.
The one that died by a tiny statue is the most weakest version of captain marvel you can't compare this weakling to Carol who can destroy a planet with a single blast and even can absorb the sun lol.
@Ray and Wanda's magic serves as protection. You try to shoot or punch her and her magic will stop it you literally cant touch her. Sure with superspeed you can but nobody here has superspeed and cap marvel and iron man sure as hell dont have superspeed. She is STRONGER
@Ray The thing about argument with these type of characters, is that the character unreasonable in many ways. One can warp reality itself, but can die to a bullet. The other is basically mini superman. The Winner is whoever you can cause it's bs. If you put them in a very controlled 1v1, fight on 3 circumstance, it's whoever can get their bs off first. Otherwise, it's just whatever bs the author wants...or an assassination.
No way this comics purpose isn't to make you mad this is so badly written and characters make the dumbest of decisions. At this point I don't think there will be any way to like captain marvel.
One of the things that was a coincidence was when carol was in the green suit for the government she looks exactly like amber heard. :edit thanks for the 43 likes ❤️
I can’t believe Carol was actually about to arrest Miles I mean like let’s say Tony never showed up there,Carol probably would’ve willingly arrested Miles when he didn’t even do anything just because she’s worried that he was about to kill Cap But then she ends up killing Tony when for once Tony was actually putting someone before himself and Carol killed him for that,like she’s no better than what they saw Miles do in the vision What’s worse is that in the comics,Carol and War Machine actually had a thing together and all because of Carol that’s what got him killed
I was on Iron-man sides on this one because i thought Ulysses power to what outcome it might be like Dr. Strange using time stone so it might be his prediction will happen 1 out of 14 million or it just happen on an another universe and he just got a glimpse that it might happen on their universe
I only liked how Captain America was just showed up like Miles did. I think that out of anyone there, he should have been leader. He was ready to literally face his own death and if Iron Man didn’t defend Miles, I am sure Steve would’ve.
@@Maxion_2000 the visions had a probability to them. With Tony's help they could have been able to stop attacks before it happened. Also Miles was going to kill Hydra Cap. It's just hydra cap changed it with a cosmic cube
I actually want something similar to that to happen in the cinematic universe, just so that more people can see how much of a horrible character she is
It's the same plot as the Moon Knight Disney + adaptation. Captain Marvel's side is working just like Harrow and Ammit, while Tony's side was Mark and Konshu. One side trying to prevent future risks at the cost of a few innocent lives, with the other side believes that until someone does something heinous, they are innocent.
being fair THIS is actually mentioned by Tony on said event: Tony: what if the emotional or mental state of Ulysses can actually affect its visions? thus making it subconsciously choose a selected group of people for its visions, causing profiling arrests Carol: hurr durr, logic bad, man bad
I think the worst part about all this is not only did she kill iron man, but as far as im aware cap didnt die. And therefore the vision was still wrong. YET SHE STILL BELIEVED IN IT
Did Arthur Harrow ruin Moon Knight?. Both shows and comic runs have the exact same plot. Captain Marvel's side is working just like Harrow and Ammit, while Tony's side was Mark and Konshu. One side trying to prevent future risks at the cost of a few innocent lives, with the other side believes that until someone does something heinous, they are innocent.
@@Trigger-ub6xn No man it was the real tony, he got into coma for years and didnt return for a long time, so yea she basically killed him in comic sense (because no one stays dead in the comics)
Capt M: Yup, I went crazy, killed innocent people and proven wrong. Oh and I don't take any responsability for my actions. Shadow president: Wo there, stop drilling, you've hit oil! You're promoted!
Is Ammit from the Disney + Moon Knight adaptation a Karen? Ammit and Cap. Marvel have the exact same motivations. Preventing future disasters at the cost of a few innocent lives.
So Carol Danvers causes so much harm for arresting people for things that haven’t even happened, and even after miles proves him killing cap wasn’t set in stone, she still try’s to arrest miles!. And especially after murdering Tony, she’s made the leader of superheroes by the Government and everyone’s just fine with this?!. I haven’t gotten caught up in the comics that much lately, but there has to be serious karma coming for Captain marvel right?.
my problem with Captain Marvel is just how uncreative and boring she is to watch fight. Everyone else is so much more entertaining because they are creative with how they fight and use their powers, and you can feel tension. But they shove her down our throats like shes a god, so no one ever cares about the stakes cause there aren't any when it comes to her. Like one of the smartest people literally made a suit to stop her, and she just punches her way through it? Boring af
Bruh and frigging ghost rider used his penance stare (*which kills anybody who has committed any evil like killing*) and she wasn't effected because she was done with everyone hating her for existing
I really hated the speech about why iron man wanted to stop CM That tony didn't want to risk carols successor having that power wuthout them being as righteous and as good as her. I really hate stuff like that cause it detracts from what the conflict is about and makes it about something else not as imprtant as said conflict
forgot the part that Ulyssus was taken by the watcher because it was not just the future he was seeing but the countless timelines in the multiverse in which things happened differently.
If I'm being completely honest, even though I don't agree Carol's actions or her viewpoint and the oversimplification of Ulyasse's abilities of predetermination, I honestly think Tony unintentionally enabled Carol to fight him, as Tony's entire warped perception of what predetermination truly implies abd acts self righteously without any sense of reason and humility. Again while I do not agree with Carol, I still think Tony was more responsible for creating yet another conflict within the superhero community as a self proclaimed futurist, who resorts to petty actions in order to uphold said mindset when all of this could've been easily resolved. I don't know that is just my opinion on this convoluted event comic.
I dont see how Tony is more responsible here.The only thing Tony has be doing in this comic was trying to stop Carol from conflict *she* is creating because of her misuse of Ulysses powers. Of which were only getting the people around them killed
Man remember when Captain Marvel used to be kinda likable when she was Ms. Marvel back when they weren’t trying to make her a poster for female power oh the good old days
So ill admit its refreshing to see a woman written as a cold facsist instead of the typical western man. But like, make her a villain or anti hero then. Its clear nobody sees her as a straight hero after this.
Spider Man going home is probably the most realistic scenario ever happen in any comic I have ever seen
Spider-Man 4: Going Home
Spiderman 5: homeless
Spiderman 6: home eviction
@@anotherguyontheinternet6455 Spiderman 7: A new home
spider man 8: old home
I’m surprised that the comics never showed the people hating Captain Marvel after Civil War 2
The way the stories were written for civil war 2 and following directly wanted to paint her as the one in the right. Even though she got tons of people killed, wanted to Incarcerate PoC for looking too suspicious cause some inhuman that can see futures for possible timelines that have no connection to the current universe said that it might happen.
Just long stretch of dumb decisions
Especially because Tony was the guy who gave superheroes their good name during the original Civil War.
dont be surprised, not all marvel fans enjoy watching a hero that my-power-comes-from-money kinda things?
He’s still a fan favourite just because he comes from a trope doesn’t mean it’s a bad trope
For the naked Hulk thing I’m just happy it’s the mighty Thor instead of thor
Iron man literally proved multiple times that the vision was not set in stone, and were just predictions, possibilities at most. And captain marvel has the balls to not only murder iron man, but say it was not her fault? She let heroes die. And hopefully she gets what is coming to her
She won't.
@@Trickie-tf1ir Yup, cringe woke comic book artists wont let that happen
Didn't she almost arrest Miles because of the predictions as well? Because the vision sees Miles kills Capt? Wha? How did she just accept this?
@@ShatteredGlass916 she got a desperate need to be right, just one suckish character.
This event happened years ago and since then no one has even tried to make her accountable for what happened on CW II, which is pretty hypocrite since even to this day Tony still gets backlash for what happened on the og CW
Okay so let's arrest miles because there's a future where he might kill Captain America, but Captain Marvel gets a promotion essentially after killing Tony stark? What kind of numbnut wrote this
A femi-nazi
🤷♂️
Brian Michael Bendis
Brian Michael Bendis
Also bruce banner didn't turned into hulk after hawkeye shot him
Its absolutely diabolical how one story can make you absolutely hate a character.
A lot of people are still mad at Hank hitting Janet. It’s so bad writers essentially stopped using him despite being an original Avenger.
@@devontehall9031 yeah and then they merged him with ultron and ruined him.
I've always thought Carol danvers in the comics and in the MCU was a stupid oversimplified superhero.
so she is always stupid or are the cartoons better?
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Out of 14,000,605 possibilities there is now no chance of the avengers winning against Thanos sad :(
Congratulations Cap marvel
@@northernalpine4350 lol
@UCjFer2KsqpfHwtpjuUODcUg really I haven’t actually read a marvel comic so can you tell me how powerful thanos (comic) is? Pls?
@@GK1nG267 definitely more powerful than cap marvel
Maybe they win in the 14,000,606th possibility
Was Captain Marvel ever not hated? Maybe when she used to wear that black onesie and was actually called Ms. Marvel?
I always thought that Captain Marvel and Ms.Marvel are two very different Carol Danvers where the Ms. Marvel persona is the humble Carol while the Captain Marvel persona is a corrupted persona, who which got overwhelmed mentally with power to the point that she lost a good chunk of morality in favor of being stronger. It's ironic really, going for a more fully clothed look would make the character less likable as opposed to keeping the original black suited design that was from Ms.Marvel that everyone adored.
Carol Danvers wasn't hated when she was Ms. Marvel. Original captain marvel was a kree dude named "Mar-VeLL" , he wasn't hated .
@@himathegreat2987 yeah, he’s been said to be a really good guy instead. Shame that Carol has crapped on his name
Captain marvels current run is critically acclaimed and she desperately tried to stop this war, not to mention she literally put everything on the line to defend the avengers. This man literally took this charecter out of context
@Ray exactly it was also like not a good written storyline
Honestly I don’t understand why Marvel won’t just give Monica Rambeau back the Captain Marvel Mantle, she had it way before Carol ever did
And some love to the original captain marvel. Rest in peace Mar vell. Not shazam, still love Shazam though.
Carol was way better a character back when she was Ms Marvel
@@lonewolf9578 agreed
Seeing the mcu disrespecting monica rambeau from being captain marvel and mar vell is really sad.
@@bartmuljono872 can you shut up? she is not disrespected and she will be in a team with carol in the marvels. Leave captain marvel alone
Quite sad that Hydra Cap of all people was talking more sense than Carol Danvers
I mean Hydra is honestly better than Carol Danvers in a way because they atleast have some sense and wouldn’t act on just a vision they see unlike Carol over there who bothers to arrest someone innocent and tries to arrest a child for doing something they would never do
@@TathomA6 ...
@@redstarbayyt3528 don’t … you know he’s right
@@__-lu3xy how?
@@redstarbayyt3528 He's saying Hydra would probably be with iron man on that they are predictions and should be taken with more than a grain of salt
*kidnapps random woman because of a prediction, kills two of the most valuable avengers*...
*Gets promoted to the leader of all superheroes*.... 🙃 what?
Facts, if I was a vigilante superhero I would not listen to this feminist glow stick 💀
@@izzyandcrizzy6881 yeah lol me too
Feminism, i guess?
@@quickman2663 w pfp, shit takes me back
@@izzyandcrizzy6881 I would rather die by her hands then be on her side.
So they just proved that Ulysses’ fucking powers are basically like Dr Strange peaking into the future and can change depending on how things go when Captain America and Miles met up but Captain Marvel still goes to arrest Miles even after seeing that nothing went wrong at all. What was going through the writer’s mind Jesus Christ
More like the writer also hated captain marvel, and honestly lets face it this is what captain marvel would do, an egotistical femi-nazi (not a feminist, those people are actually doing good in the world.) with self esteem issues that's now overcompensating with powers.
@@Appri .
@@redstarbayyt3528 Sorry for the run-on sentence if that's what you mean lol
@@Appri what?
@@knie1172 Lmao, I think she's not narcissistic at least, or as much of a psychopath though.
Miles: *Is shown in a mass hallucination that he will kill Captain America.*
Instant pariah, banished from fight, screams and cries.
Captain Marvel: *Causes 3 deaths, directly kills a 4th. Knows cause is wrong, goes with it anyway.*
Here are the keys to the kingdom, m'lady. Go lead us into a bright, new future.
Fuck me.
This comic has the power to make someone a misogynist
True
Most Carol comics (and movies as you can see.) have the power to do that.
Thank you for pointing that out that cause most people criticize all feminists because stupid Captain Marvel is one,.
Yes it did
Carol isn't a feminist if she lets other women suffer and die. Look at how in the comic, she tortures a woman and let's she hulk die. She's just horribly written, and it's just Marvel's attempt at making a feminist superhero. DC did it better with wonder woman. Honestly, Spiderman and X-Men are the decent heroes in Marvel but the other can be mid or questionable. Not all but heroes such as iron man and captain marvel are very questionable. Don't forget ant Man
Can we also talk about how carol traumatized an innocent citizen till the point she became an actual criminal over an empty briefcase!?
SHE BECAME AN ACTUAL CRIMINAL??!
@@fatemakadhimahmed576
Yep, wanted to turn society against superheroes with the help of "the spot", also had him kidnap Jessica jones
@@ozmasterofmasks5838 holy-
@@fatemakadhimahmed576
I think she wanted to blow up something and kill the champions in the process
Captain Marvel: *literally fucks up multiple times*
Also Captain Marvel: *gets fucking promoted despite being Superbitch*
While I understand this event was made to be a "civil war" event while the movie was coming out, but like god damn bro Carol is so far up her own ass. IMO the only good thing that came out of this event was hydra cap that lead into secret empire
Well I Tony was also up his own ass to
“Good thing” idk abt that
@@aedanmannion the only "KINDA MAYBE OK BUT NOT REALLY" thing
Civil war 2 event makes the Civil War 1 look like freakin' masterpiece.
Edit: in case anyone asks why, civil war 1 had real stakes while civil war 2 was a battle between egos
Civil war 1 was more tense, darker and writers were smart enough to keep the fight grounded between tony and steve (and the heroes who supported them) and didn't include powerhouses like hulk, thor and most importantly *DR STRANGE*
Ending was emotional. Steve looks at the destroyed city ,his tears rolling down and surrendering himself to the police even tho he won and proved tony wrong. Civil war 2 had nothing emotional on that level
Facts
Tbh I don't think civil war 1 was that bad
My least favorite part was the birth of "HULK" She-Hulk. That was almost as bad as the Mockingbird series. Mostly because of the Phantom Rider stuff. That was already a can of worms and then they made it questionably worse.
@@RepeatedAxe civil war 1 was good in my opinion
@@biecie i agree , she hulk is a character of her own and very different from banner, the worst part of the story according to me was when ETERNITY came and took that young inhuman with him, like tf? Just bcoz he can see the probable future, even dr strange or wanda could see that.
gotta give credit to hawkeye, he took one for the team
He murdered someone over a probability
nigga he just shot hulk no reason or rhyme
Honestly that wouldnt even be possible lol if banner got shot he would’ve immediately turned to fhe hulk but hey where the fun in that
@@exoticcmezz4867 The hawkeye disrespect is too large
@@exoticcmezz4867 in the comics it's explained that bruce made that arrow to kill the hulk
I've always hated that glowstick girl,she always thinks she's right and is such a jerk and prick. She uses her powers to get what she wants and all she can do is fly and blast energy. But her killing Tony over what she thinks for no reason? That makes me hate her even more.
So EVEN BEFORE her MCU debut, she was already a disliked character?
All she can do is fly and blast energy, buddy... That's already more powerful than most marvel heroes
@@goldandcheese After she picked up the captain marvel mantel yes. Ms. Marvel is the best Carol imo
@@rezkydonnyputranto4232 thats why he was trying to say
Overpowered simple mc abilities bullshit
@@goldandcheese yes yes , that was one of the reasons why ppl were pissed off at her debut in mcu
The part where miles killed cap is true it only did not happen because it didn't meet a certain criteria. It will only happen if miles knew that cap is an hydra agent first
Even so, I highly doubt miles would resort to killing him just arresting him.
@@mikeclarke5732 did you read Secret Empire? because that is spot on
@@Dr.shallot1189 Nope but I know enough about Miles to know he wouldn't kill, even when his mom died in the ultimate universe he didn't kill.
Odd how in this one everyone knew Captain Marvel was in the wrong but she doesn’t admit it and still gets away with what she did
This story is the peak example of why we hate Captain Marvel so much.
I dont hate captain marvel that much and i dont much care, But this comic does triggers me.
@Ray there’s multiple reasons why I dislike this character.
1. Her actions in this very comic.
2. Her being insanely powerful on top of being kind of a prick. (Comic Version)
3. The story going out of their way to cutting her some slack despite her TERRIBLE decisions.
4. Her actress in the MCU whose also played by a real life prick.
5. The MCU version of the character also being a prick!! Like you can’t have both the comic and MCU versions being unlikable
There’s a reason why other female characters are just better received that this character for example Wonder Woman. Also if you’re insanely powerful and you’re a prick, with no good reason to be a prick, (a good writing prick I can think of is Homelander), then ppl are just not gonna like the character. There’s a reason Superman is LOVED, cause he’s a pretty chill dude who has all that power and chooses to be the best of us, and why the evil Superman trope is getting played out.
@Ray I’m convinced you don’t know much about Carol Danvers at all. She’s
1. Let puppet master blow himself up instead of saving him like a HERO would, and even lied to her teammates about it.
2. Blamed ALL the mutants for the actions of Magneto
3. When she was the leader of S.H.I.E.L.D in general she made AWFUL (and prick) decisions!!!!!
4. The MCU is definitely a good reason to not like a character because that’s the mainstream media, Iron Man literally would not be where he is today if it wasn’t for the MCU, the MCU nowadays could really make lesser known characters glow up so if BOTH comic and MCU versions aren’t likable then why would anyone get invested in the character!!
@@Ugenesis2010 You got him with that one.
Ngl I feel like the facts that everybody is sleeping on tony who was also being a prick in CW2
I love these comic book recaps and I think your comedy is really funny
Marvel: Makes Captain Marvel act like a villain.
Also Marvel: Awards her in-universe and expects you to root for her.
Tony's currently back and getting fisted by Hulk-Thor in the outer reaches of space, so it's not like his death is 'that' big a deal~
Jokes aside, I'm just curious on why Miles would even kill Cap given out of all the possibilities tied to the event. Also Carol Danvers 616 was usually a decent character til this particular arc; not sure why they went that direction with her, especially with her side of the argument having more faults. Figure that she'd be the "Captain America" of this Civil War event, but I guess they needed to show that Tony learned since the first CW or whatever
One word: Feminism.
@@emanuelstornello8009 I doubt that it's feminism. But I do believe that it's bad writing.
in secret empire the panel were miles kills cap is shown, this is the arc were cap was part of hydra and all of that, in the end he decided to not kill this hydra version of cap
@@reneflores5976 lol Dang, I even read SE and didn't even piece that together. Good catch!
@@RrowdyBeast in the Civil War 2 story they show Hydra Cap behind the scenes instigating the events in the story, so it’s implied that Miles kills him due to Captain America being part of Hydra BUT since both Miles and Cap were informed that Miles was gonna kill him, it led to Cap not making any more moves that would cause suspicion which in turn made him look innocent. (One of the only good elements of this horrendous story)
Original Civil War: Tries to make a morally grey storyline about how to approach superhero identities and responsibility. Failed due to poor editorial choices, a weak story and one side acting like fascists.
Civil War 2: A story about a side saying that pre-emptive murder and arrest are okay because there's a chance of something bad vs a side saying "what the fuck, no, that's insane".
Y'know, the original at least tried but was poorly handled. This shit is just dumb.
Man is literally taking a sh*t while explaining how more worse Captain Marvel's can get.
Respect +++
imagine if he just sees into different universes
That's very likely how his power works.
He is
The one who died by the weight of a statue while fighting Wanda...
She kills Iron Man.
Nice joke.
Scarlet witch is way stronger than captain marvel and iron man, but captain marvel is stronger than iron man
The one that died by a tiny statue is the most weakest version of captain marvel you can't compare this weakling to Carol who can destroy a planet with a single blast and even can absorb the sun lol.
@Ray she is a reality warper and also she has skills that can protect her. If shes a glass cannon then so is iron man, take off the suit and easy win
@Ray and Wanda's magic serves as protection. You try to shoot or punch her and her magic will stop it you literally cant touch her. Sure with superspeed you can but nobody here has superspeed and cap marvel and iron man sure as hell dont have superspeed. She is STRONGER
@Ray The thing about argument with these type of characters, is that the character unreasonable in many ways. One can warp reality itself, but can die to a bullet. The other is basically mini superman. The Winner is whoever you can cause it's bs.
If you put them in a very controlled 1v1, fight on 3 circumstance, it's whoever can get their bs off first. Otherwise, it's just whatever bs the author wants...or an assassination.
Wasn’t this guy at 50k like a few months ago crazy how he’s almost at 150k already
Ye he makes food contet tho so am not suprised
Nice detective void pfp
cuz he speaks the language of the gods.... the comics
No way this comics purpose isn't to make you mad this is so badly written and characters make the dumbest of decisions. At this point I don't think there will be any way to like captain marvel.
One of the things that was a coincidence was when carol was in the green suit for the government she looks exactly like amber heard. :edit thanks for the 43 likes ❤️
Amber turd*
LOL
Miles morales by Brian michael bendis was epic, the way it brings both stories in one
Alternate title : captain marvel uses horoscopes to predict the future
Better title: Tony Starks a idiot
@@Jokers548 Fixed title: Captain Marvel was a Dumb ass in this comic
@@Bomp.. so was Tony
I love the fact that iron man defends miles and calls him a good kid
What was even more weird that ai tony learned to be drunk and fucking nerfed himself into using an old iron man suit
So so Tony just regressed into the un likeable Tony
I can’t believe Carol was actually about to arrest Miles
I mean like let’s say Tony never showed up there,Carol probably would’ve willingly arrested Miles when he didn’t even do anything just because she’s worried that he was about to kill Cap
But then she ends up killing Tony when for once Tony was actually putting someone before himself and Carol killed him for that,like she’s no better than what they saw Miles do in the vision
What’s worse is that in the comics,Carol and War Machine actually had a thing together and all because of Carol that’s what got him killed
I was on Iron-man sides on this one because i thought Ulysses power to what outcome it might be like Dr. Strange using time stone so it might be his prediction will happen 1 out of 14 million or it just happen on an another universe and he just got a glimpse that it might happen on their universe
oh my God, another terrible ending after Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker
I never got why he didn’t just send 500 suits while he chilled away in his penthouse
I only liked how Captain America was just showed up like Miles did. I think that out of anyone there, he should have been leader. He was ready to literally face his own death and if Iron Man didn’t defend Miles, I am sure Steve would’ve.
Yep, this was Hydra Steve
Real Steve was stuck inside the cosmic cube
Yep, this was Hydra Steve
Real Steve was stuck inside the cosmic cube
Even in the comics Captain Marvel manages to be the most hated character
Captain marvel being a greater disappointment than Wonder Woman 1987(2020)
What's even worse is Bruce wasn't even the Hulk at this point. He was cured thanks to Amadeus Cho.
Is this another one of Marvel's attempt at being woke? Victimizing Capt Marvel when she's obviously being unreasonable
Ha! Tony was worse
@@Jokers548 how? He was right the vision didn’t come true. She straight murderd him for standing against her
@@Maxion_2000 the visions had a probability to them. With Tony's help they could have been able to stop attacks before it happened. Also Miles was going to kill Hydra Cap. It's just hydra cap changed it with a cosmic cube
She legit forcefully arrests people for events that haven''t transpired then immediately suffers no consequences for her own actions.
I actually want something similar to that to happen in the cinematic universe, just so that more people can see how much of a horrible character she is
It's the same plot as the Moon Knight Disney + adaptation. Captain Marvel's side is working just like Harrow and Ammit, while Tony's side was Mark and Konshu. One side trying to prevent future risks at the cost of a few innocent lives, with the other side believes that until someone does something heinous, they are innocent.
Imagine getting multiple Avengers killed and arresting and accusing innocent people.
Then getting promoted to the leader of all superheroes
My body burned automatically after i had read that comic series.
Was that normal
Just captain marvels after burn
Bro fr killed the smartest man on earth and was offered to be a leader
Let’s be honest ……. We all know why she let War Machine die and tried to arrest Miles. And if you don’t know…..
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This is a JOKE
being fair THIS is actually mentioned by Tony on said event:
Tony: what if the emotional or mental state of Ulysses can actually affect its visions? thus making it subconsciously choose a selected group of people for its visions, causing profiling arrests
Carol: hurr durr, logic bad, man bad
@@Leonheart039 hmmm lol
I think the worst part about all this is not only did she kill iron man, but as far as im aware cap didnt die. And therefore the vision was still wrong. YET SHE STILL BELIEVED IN IT
This comics is proof that captain marvel ruins everything she's in.
Did Arthur Harrow ruin Moon Knight?. Both shows and comic runs have the exact same plot. Captain Marvel's side is working just like Harrow and Ammit, while Tony's side was Mark and Konshu. One side trying to prevent future risks at the cost of a few innocent lives, with the other side believes that until someone does something heinous, they are innocent.
You should do a "King in black" comic summary
OH HELL SHE DID WHAT TO TONY? MAN THAT WOMAN HAS THE STRONGEST POWER IN THE TEAM BUT SHE HAS A SMALL BRAIN+!?!
I think it was a clone of tony that he made in preparation, so he basically dodged a massive bullet
@@Trigger-ub6xn No man it was the real tony, he got into coma for years and didnt return for a long time, so yea she basically killed him in comic sense (because no one stays dead in the comics)
@@ryanbenedict2754 uncle ben:
We need Thanos to just erase that universe, we don't need to know more
The glow stick 😂
0:22 nah bro I know u right but y u gotta do him like that 😂 😂
Honestly I'm kinda disappointed in T'Challa for siding with Carol
He switched sides if I remember correctly
Agreed because t’challa as a character is better then that
This is why iron man is always on the right side of the Civil wars
Somehow Tony returned.
Capt M: Yup, I went crazy, killed innocent people and proven wrong. Oh and I don't take any responsability for my actions.
Shadow president: Wo there, stop drilling, you've hit oil! You're promoted!
If karen was granted superpowers
Is Ammit from the Disney + Moon Knight adaptation a Karen? Ammit and Cap. Marvel have the exact same motivations. Preventing future disasters at the cost of a few innocent lives.
So Carol Danvers causes so much harm for arresting people for things that haven’t even happened, and even after miles proves him killing cap wasn’t set in stone, she still try’s to arrest miles!. And especially after murdering Tony, she’s made the leader of superheroes by the Government and everyone’s just fine with this?!.
I haven’t gotten caught up in the comics that much lately, but there has to be serious karma coming for Captain marvel right?.
Me who saw Injustice: well shet, here we go again
YO I SUBBED WHEN YOU HAD LESS THEN 10K YOU’RE DOING INSANE BRO
THERE MAKING THE wrong future
can't believe you made it to 150k sub, congrats dude!
my problem with Captain Marvel is just how uncreative and boring she is to watch fight. Everyone else is so much more entertaining because they are creative with how they fight and use their powers, and you can feel tension. But they shove her down our throats like shes a god, so no one ever cares about the stakes cause there aren't any when it comes to her. Like one of the smartest people literally made a suit to stop her, and she just punches her way through it? Boring af
Bruh and frigging ghost rider used his penance stare (*which kills anybody who has committed any evil like killing*) and she wasn't effected because she was done with everyone hating her for existing
I really hated the speech about why iron man wanted to stop CM
That tony didn't want to risk carols successor having that power wuthout them being as righteous and as good as her.
I really hate stuff like that cause it detracts from what the conflict is about and makes it about something else not as imprtant as said conflict
This series is, in fact, absolutely diabolical
Iron Man was right? Wow... After so many mistakes he made it's kind of nice to see him be right
captain marvel mad that miles got to talk to captain america one on one
Now I REALLY hate captain marvel
To quote TFS Bardock
"Of all the stupid! Asinine! Shark jumping bullshit!'
I loved reading this comic book it was such a good comic book and I got so happy that my dad bought it for me.
OH NNNOOO...!!!!😭😭😭
"REMEMBER MCU STORY IS EPISODIC"
OH OKAY
Wait she didn’t go to jail for her crimes? Lol
I mean what jail can keep her anyway lol.
Why would she? Seriously why would she? She works with the government and Tony was the one who started that fight
@@Jokers548 she was the one arresting people for no reason and got good people killed off of a "maybe"
@@Mr.Scott86 yeah, no. The people "she" got killed were hero's who would sacrifice them selves so other people can live.
@@Jokers548 except the sacrifice was completely unnecessary or would have been avoided entirely, for example if Carol just asked Tony first?
I have discovered the power of sexism in this comic. It is coursing through my newly-misogynistic veins...
She hulk didn't die and neither did Iron Man they were just in a coma
Essentially dead snd even if that is the case 2 avengers are dead because of captain marvel and her not listening
"stupid glowstick" cant describe her any better
Can Marvel write a good story for once?
No.
Dude, you have loads of good stories from Marvel.
@@jakubrejak1114 ok
forgot the part that Ulyssus was taken by the watcher because it was not just the future he was seeing but the countless timelines in the multiverse in which things happened differently.
Hopefully Tony Stark will learn from his mistake
What mistake did he make?
@@ebensennett3095 it’s a meme
If Miles was at the fight, was Peter just doing his own thing
If I'm being completely honest, even though I don't agree Carol's actions or her viewpoint and the oversimplification of Ulyasse's abilities of predetermination, I honestly think Tony unintentionally enabled Carol to fight him, as Tony's entire warped perception of what predetermination truly implies abd acts self righteously without any sense of reason and humility. Again while I do not agree with Carol, I still think Tony was more responsible for creating yet another conflict within the superhero community as a self proclaimed futurist, who resorts to petty actions in order to uphold said mindset when all of this could've been easily resolved. I don't know that is just my opinion on this convoluted event comic.
Same that how I feel about CW2 both are in the wrong
I dont see how Tony is more responsible here.The only thing Tony has be doing in this comic was trying to stop Carol from conflict *she* is creating because of her misuse of Ulysses powers. Of which were only getting the people around them killed
@@snowman3995 well I can't write it down for you but go and watch linkara video on CW2
@@redstarbayyt3528 YES! He perfectly said why Tony is way more in the wrong then people realized
@@Jokers548 yeah I know I watch linkara video about CW2 I though that CM was in the wrong until watch that video tony was a idiot in CW2
Marvel desperately wants us to like her but then do shit like this
*”because Tony learns from his mistakes”*
i love how the captions at 1:42 say hardcore instead of hydra 🤣😅😂
I've probably watched this 5 or 6 times and it never gets old
Eww im not sitting on your lap after saying chucklenuts
*casually kills some of the most valuable avengers*
"bUt ThEy WErE EviL" 💀
Man remember when Captain Marvel used to be kinda likable when she was Ms. Marvel back when they weren’t trying to make her a poster for female power oh the good old days
Iron Man was completely right why risk lives for just a prediction and arresting people that haven't even done anything
She really just forgot the whole innocent until proven guilty thing bruh.
So ill admit its refreshing to see a woman written as a cold facsist instead of the typical western man. But like, make her a villain or anti hero then. Its clear nobody sees her as a straight hero after this.
spider man really said: I don't wanna do this no more
That's basically Amber Heard if she won the trial
Captain Marcel telling story years later: "And that's how I killed Marvel Comics."