The FUTURE of IRONs?
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I am a 3 handicap and I bought them. I joined a club that has a ton of elevated greens and needed something to get the ball launching higher and my P790's weren't doing it for me now that I am in my mid 50s. I can't believe I am saying this about hybrid irons, but I absolutely love them. Mishits have muscle to them, so they don't land 30 yards short of the green. The rails really do help get the ball airborne. As a former scratch golfer, I really never thought I would ever hit clubs like this, but why make the game harder than it already is. Not to mention that the black heads are really good looking. I am a convert.
great to hear from such a good player like yourself who is prepared to use these
So true. I play off a +5. Had college scholarship back in the day. I switched the single length irons like 4 years ago even though Iron play was my biggest strength. But I loved the idea of making the game easier. Only need 1 swing for all my irons, wouldn’t need to practice much, etc. I went from 0.5 handicap to +5 in 3 years and never practice. I get crap in tournaments for having a 7 Wood and a 4 hybrid and cavity back single length irons, but boy do they make the game fun.
@@kourt2469 Good for you. LOVE IT!
Andy, half of my seniors' league could use these. One guy does and he was using the 7 iron as a chipper very effectively. I believe Cobra could bring out a one length version of these if the market accepts the regular set in any volume. Wave of the future for us 70+ guys. Excellent and honest review.
They're like the girl who you know is good for you, and would make your life a bed of roses, but is not easy on the eyes, vs the girl who you know you have no business being with but will stop at nothing to have her break your heart.
best description I ever heard Johnny.....I will end up with my heart broke
👏👏👏👏👏
you got the wrong girl then.
Nice one Swiss Tony.
Omg. That is so me. I am attracted to the one's that are super sexy but always crush my heart. 🤣
Great video! Love your perspective. It really surprises me how some denigrate those that are willing to try some non-traditional equipment to improve - yet they will see nothing contradictory when they buy new irons every two years because they now have “speed foam” or change drivers every year to gain 6 yards.
Great video bud. One of the guys who Plays in our four ball quite regularly, was having a horrendous time with his irons. He had lessons, bought the most expensive improvement irons, but still his iron play was awful. He was getting worse instead of better. In desperation, he decided to try out the Cleveland HB irons as a last resort. Wow!!! The difference in his game was not only dramatic, but awesome! When we inspected them and had a few swings, we couldn’t believe how something quite horrendous to look at, could hit a golf ball so high, straight and stop quite quickly on the greens. Since buying these “hybrids” nearly a year ago, his handicap has gone down from 24 to 9! We still rib him about his clubs, but he has the last laugh when he takes the money in our game most weekends!
Thats an incredible story William! Really pleased for him and just shows sometimes a change in clubs can work some magic
So you are saying his club pro was no good.
Steffan I said no such thing! the point that I was making was that it doesn’t matter if you go to a pro or get fitted for irons, if you’re not compatible with your irons, you’re not gonna play good golf. What works for one golfer, doesn’t work for others It’s that simple!! On the blame issue. If more Pro’s and Club fitters could get over their draconian attitude as to how a golf should look, then I’m sure that my friend wouldn’t of had to go through such a lengthy torrid time playing golf.
I too bought the Cleveland’s a few months ago because I sucked with my long irons. Huge difference right away, especially for distance.
Great review, I purchased the Wilson’s and as a high handicap, senior golfer, what an improvement this set made in my game. My ego is very much in tact because I am getting out of the bad situations much easier and hitting much better. I chose the Wilson’s because of the silver edge that allowed my eyes to see this club as an iron. After one season I have lowered my handicap and increased accuracy and distance .
If you're talking about the Lauch Pads, I bought a set of irons to replace the 1996 Pro Staff OS clubs I bought in 96. I absolutely love the LPs! And like you, it brought some distance and relative accuracy back to my game. If it weren't for the fact I'm left handed, most of my friends would have tried them too.
pain in my left hand when I hit off fairway with normal irons. Give up game ? Tried cobras out with rep last month ....awesome. New set picked up last week fitted with stiff shaft ...6 thro to gap ...for me best thing since sliced bread .......
I hit the 7 iron and really like the feel of the ultra lite shaft. I think these clubs are great and would benefit those that just want to play golf and don’t have the time to go to the range a perfect a swing.
I'm a 13 HC and would love to game these 👊 I've always enjoyed hitting my woods and hybrids more then irons so this could be a game changer 🏌️♂️ would be the 2nd hand market in a couple seasons I'd be looking at but I'll be going to try them at a demo day when I can. Keep up the great content m8 thank you
Thank you for watching and continually involved in the comments
Great review as always. Andy. I could live with the looks as long as the club improves the score and makes it a more enjoyable game. Best wishes for you and your channel.
Thanks DAve and agreed
Seriously thinking about these and plumping for the full set with graphite shafts (I’m approaching 60 after all ) thanks Andy
Hey AG....the man! Great video. Love watching your content....your honesty and straight forward approach is fantastic! Dont ever change who you are as a person and dont ever change how you make your content. Love your as a person and as a video maker. Merry Christmas to you and your family. You all deserve the best in life. You have come a long way. And worked hard to come this far...I am proud of you! Nice work brother!
Unbelievable comments and thank you so much
Great review played the Cleveland launcher my best year ever, looking to update. Would love a test between Cobra T Rail, Wilson Launchpad and Cleveland HB turbo Launcher, nobody has tested all three together, up till now Cleveland comes out top.
How about putting these irons through their paces on the course. I know the weather is abysmal at present, but I’d be interested to see how they perform on grass. I’ve just bought the f9 hybrid and really surprised how well it flies the ball, almost as long a carry as my g30 7 wood, that it’s replacing
A company named Tour Edge has a set of these which I am going to try. They have the 4&5 in hybrids, the 6&7 in an "iron-wood", and the 8, 9, & PW in regular irons. All for $599.99. I REALLY want to try this, it appeals to me.
Are planning on a head to head with the new launcher HB turbos, Wilson launch pads and these? Would be a great and interesting review. Like you mentioned a course test would be really cool as well
Good review of a club that will help a lot of golfers...if they can get over the stigma of a beginner type of clubs
Another brilliant honest review Andy, strangely I don't have a problem with the look, but they seem to fly very high which for me would mean ok for still days but id imagine they would be badly affected by head or cross winds. Thumbs up to Cobra for trying something different
I play the tour edge hl2 iron wood, they are now out with the hl4. If you think trying to go from a iron to an "iron wood" is tough, try going from an "iron wood" to a cavity iron after playing a couple years. Its kinda like looking at a blade. I understand that the Launcher turbo (similar product) is one of Cleveland's best sellers. I enjoy your reviews, especially your PXG field trip.
Love the look! Would love to give them a try 👍
Cobra has has this on the 5 and 3 woods for years now. I love it. Irons like this will help alot of players. May not be for me, but you never know.
Great review. Also take a look at Alex Etches hitting these off a cart path with no problem.
Not sure about the rest of the Blokes, but I don't care about the look down the shaft. If I can gain the consistency I so desire, then I am all over these clubs!!! Plus, I prefer the black over chrome, so that's a ++ in my book. :-)
Damn, got caught up in a mini-rant and forgot what I intended to mention! I came across a set of these while wandering around the PGA Tour Superstore last week. They are really good looking in that black finish. Quite striking!
Haven’t tried these Cobras, but have hit the Cleveland version. I got roughly 10 yards farther than “standard” style clubs
Definitely would love to try them for a round. Hopefully we will see some course content
Don't care what they look like behind the ball!
Love my Adams hybrids would love a whole set of hybrids !
Could be ideal for the current somewhat soggy UK playing conditions!
Seems like a very attractive option and a potential game improvement for seniors & people we generally are using many hybrids now into the very lofted clubs eliminating many irons.
I agree
More golfers should consider blending this style of iron-hybrid into the longer iron section of their bags ( 3-6 irons) . You only have to hit them a few times to realize their potential, especially if you are a slicer of the ball. Some golfers complain of hooking all hybrids. They might need to address the lie angle ( go flatter/ Ping style hosel ) . Can these clubs be adjusted to reduce the lie angle?
'Probably not a club I'd game...but...'. Andy, would love to have you do a course vlog with these (or Launchers/Launchpads) just to see what a difference they do (or do not make) to your game. Maybe throw a chipper in as well! And then let's hear your thoughts.
My wife has the woman's set and loves them! I have hit them and they do hit high and long and easy. I personally just think of them as Hybrid's not irons, helps me get over the looks. Because of them I've been looking at the Titleist t 400. I'm planning on the new T200's but now I'm open minded.
What is better ? good looking clubs ? or looking good by hitting good shots ?
Good comment that 👍
Good point
Any club starts to look good when it’s hitting great shots.
Andy, as you know I've got a cobra baffler hybrid. I've had it for years, none of the newer stuff I've tried can beat it.
That has the T-rail on it and it is so easy to hit.
I think if people can get over the snobbery of the looks, these could really help out their game!
I agree Jay
Im a 3 hcp player in my mid 40:is. Been playing golf for over 30 years. Most of the time with MB irons. Tried these T-rail irons couple of weeks ago. I love the looks of these irons and they are super easy to hit. I put a custom order in with heavier graphite shafts. Looking forward to a 2020 with lots of hybrid shots!
Good for you Pers, I hope they play well
@@TheAverageGolfer They are also very easy to chip with. It´s very difficult to duff a chip with these irons.
What shaft did you use? (Brand and grams) I’m thinking about getting these with steel shafts.
Pinemeadow golf has had similar club design for many years. I have had mine for about 6 years
Another great honest golf video. I would like to try these, the looks of them aren't important to me, the consistency is.
Thank you
I went off hybrids because of the draw bias. My miss became a big and destructive hook. Do these clubs have a draw bias?
Many average golfers are shyte iron players so this could really help them. I would likely enjoy them even though I am a good iron player with some pretty recent TM irons that I love. I think Dunlop came out first with a set of these way back 20 odd years ago.
Love Cobra is doing out of box thinking on some of product. Club looks very easy to hit wish club face and front top line of part is silver instead of all black have some contrast. Thanks for another great review.
Yes I think that might have worked
jungyul kim Totally agree. I'm still using one of TM's first adjustable hybrids with a silver face and dark gray body. I know the new ones are hotter but I can't bring myself to get rid of it.
That might be a good idea to offset the appearance issue
Do you think the old Nike Slingshot OSS irons are similar in performance to these? Just curious.
Andy, if I told you I've found you a perfect players club, that in a 6 iron bladed loft (30 degrees), delivers with 13 hits:
- every shot with a peak height of 89-110 feet
- every shot with a descent angle between 44 and 50 degrees averaging 48 degrees
- every shot with a distance between 165-173 yards
- an average spin of 5300rpms
- and an average of 4 inches off line
And then said to you, what would you pay for such a club?
My guess is you would think those numbers are miraculous and would be willing to pay a lot of $$$ for such a set
I've been a subscriber for a few years, and I can easily say, I've never seen a better set of numbers
Take this set of irons and play a round against your current set and see how you do. Use your driver off the tee and then hit two balls from every spot afterwards - your current set and this set and see what happens (alternating between which set hits first). My bet is on this set beating your current irons or at least being even with them.
The problem I have Paul is I dont have a full set to test which is often a problem from these manufacturers
I reckon if you approached Cobra/Arizona with your plan they'd come to the party. There is a significant growing interest in this type of club and I can think of no better way to promote it's benefits.
Oops... autocorrect problem...I meant Srixon not Arizona😜
That's a great idea and would make for a really interesting video. You should get onto Cobra and see if they'd fit you into a set and let you have them for a few weeks. I reckon it could sell a few of these for them if the results are as people expect!!
Design looks similar to Cleveland Launcher HB Turbos, although in terms of aesthetics the Cobras arguably, look more attractive. Might be interesting to do a comparative performance test .
Cleveland did something similar about 10yrs ago,with the Hi-Bore,i thought it was a good idea then,and still do,being disabled and having a really low swing speed.
I have the new Cleveland Launch HB hybrid irons that I purchased this last year. They are a lot like the clubs he is reviewing here. The hits are solid... I'm able to get some degree of backspin. Enough that the ball stays within a few feet of where it initially hits the green.
The club face is really no different than past irons like the big bertha. A thick topline... They just have extra weight behind and that helps make it seem solid.
Joey Bikes I just bought the Cleveland Launchers a few months ago too. I like them a lot. I’ve shortened my backswing and I’m still getting good distance.
I think they're great! Had a look at the 7 iron last week but didn't have time to hit it. I play off 8 and could easily game them, I love hybrids and my 29 degree cobra baffler is my favourite club. I wouldn't necessarily use the wedge, I prefer a traditional wedge style, but I do like a heavier head, lets me know where the clubhead is and as you said, improves my tempo.
I can see how you might look at the longer irons upto a 7 maybe?
@@TheAverageGolfer may stretch to an 8, then the forged 9 and below/above.
How do these compare with the Mizuno ones you tried?
It's a logical progression in irons development. We all know a hybrid is easier than a 2 or a 3 iron so why not? Just got to get it sprayed in Mizuno gloss blue!
Just bought a set after watching this review a few weeks back. Had them custom fitted so just waiting for them now lol.
How are they going?
@@granty1954 For me not to good if im honest, I just couldnt get on with them. I sold them last week. I wouldnt let me put you off though they are really nice clubs and my mate picked them up and was smashing them brilliantly, just didnt suit me I guess.
Check out the Orlimar escape hybrids, very similar without the t-rail , I have 9thru5
cant get hold of them Tony
I am still getting used to my set of Pine Meadow hybrids(2 yrs old), so I don't mind the LOOK of a hybrid. I don't really care what clubs looks like! Can it improve MY game with MY swing?!?!? If a golf club component company came out with these so I can make a few clubs to try out......I would try them.
Hi Andy, if they feel great and perform great, you'll not be bothered about the look. ⛳⛳👍👍😁😁
Cheers Andy
Good review Andy, Cleveland HB Launcher the original from 588 Altitude, now the new Turbo version to be joined by Cobra T rail and Wilson Launch pad irons and woods. I'm using Launcher HB and transformed my game two competition wins three record scores all on championship
Courses. Love the Wilson brand and will try Launch pad which look great even better than D7.
The ultimate test would be to test these three head to head. These irons are like going from a blade to a cavity will never go back to cavity now.
They reduce your fats, thins great for pitching and chipping and perfect for 18 plus handicappers, so ditch the ego and get a reality check!
I hope to test the other brands
I have tried this as a mid handicapper (13), and my conclusions are much the same as yours. A bit strange to look at, but performance was good, even with slightly fatted shots. My club head speed was about 5mph slower than yours, and I preferred the light graphite shaft. I tried the 7 for chip and run shots, and again it was good for those too, although the ball came off the face a bit faster than it would with a normal iron. I'm certainly tempted, especially as I play my hybrids better than irons.
I think you have that assessment spot on Peter
How do these compare to wide sole irons?
Great video thank you
Had much the same feelings when trying Launcher HBs a year or so back just to see what they did - so easy to hit, but oh the look...
Yep its hard to get your head around!
You do get used to the look.
The “look” argument is nonsense. After you start your backswing, you can’t see them anymore.
I got the Tommy Armour atomic max irons forged but similar look to these cobras and they went straight in the bag. Easy to hit and gained ten yards. I don’t care what they look like they feel great.
Good on you Eric
Have Cleveland high bore its the same time but they are 8 years old
I would use whatever helps me become a better golfer. However, I tend to hit my hybrids left and recently taken to using 4-iron instead (19 1/2 *) with better results. These Cobras look very much like hybrids, and make me feel that I would only be playing from the left side of the course.
Yes its a possible issue and ine that I would have
Great looking club
I love hybrid irons
If Cobra makes this in a 3 iron I could see how one gaps with my AMP forged 4 iron to have that 200+ yard shot or a 190-195 knockdown when morale is low with the 4iron or the lie makes the thin top line of my players cavity look like a pure blade when I need to hit the green from 195-200 yards out from the rough got an Adams red I put back in the bag after my Ping G400 3 iron was acting a fool and not delivering the goods consistently so I’m back to a straight hybrid but I really dig the hybrid-iron concept for the long irons if there only available in a full set or doesn’t come in 3 or 4 iron(for when that acts up) pass
This is going to change the game !! Cleveland is a close second. Watch what i tell you , there will be alot of other brands that will follow suit. Remember there are way way more average golfers than professional. Great club!!
I like the look on my face and on my scorecard. That would weigh more than the look of the club. If it works... numbers are hard to argue. Thank you for the video.
Your on point. Score matters.
Hello
Thank you for the review. I have a few questions regarding the cobra t-rail iron. First have you done a review with the Cobra F-Max airspeed iron? I am looking between the Cobra T-Rail or the Cobra F-Max Airspeed irons. My handicap is like 17+ as I am a fairly new golfer. A lot of my hits I tend to slice right. So do you think the t-rail iron will help my game. I have a slower to moderate swing speed. From 150 yards I use a 6 iron sometimes 7 iron. What are your thoughts?
If you want to learn how to draw the ball and improve rapidly have a look at Jim Venetos' swing videos on RUclips. it looks weird, but it works.To make golf simple using one length irons and hybrids helps a lot. Have a look at the new Wishon EQ-1 NX clubs. They combine hollow body and single length concepts, which in my mind is a win / win situation.
Having said that, I am a Cobra fan in their fairway woods ( F9 17 degree and 19 single length Hybrid) and F7 (17.5 and 25 Hybrids). I used to use F9 Single length irons, but found at my swing speed ( 85 mph with Driver) the low lofted 5,6 gave me little gap between the 7 iron. I changed brand to Milford Golf SL-7 and am happy now 6i-LW ( graphite shafts) .
I have not tried the T-Rails, but I just bough a 5-PW set of Cleveland HB Launchers with seniors graphite shafts for my wife. If the T-rails are as good as those clubs, you would not be disappointed.
Great video! How do the Tour Esgw iron-woods compare to these? I never see anyone testing tour edge. Why is that?
I love my Tour Edge clubs! Have 6/7 ironwoods. No one tests tour edges because tour edge doesn't pay them to reveiw.
I just bought these they’re cool looking to me
They're clearly aimed at a particular market, and if I find myself in that market I would have no problem using these clubs
I've got similar..... Got the shanks big time and even off 5 I just couldn't get rid. So I was just chipping my lofted hybrid around..... So I got the rest to pw. Shanks have gone and boy I've had fun, you can hit the ball anywhere on the club and it goes.... Been called all sorts by my golfing partners, then I remind him that I nearly hit him a few times when shanking.... They're great clubs
When I'm old I'll definitely play something like this. I already carry a 25° hybrid and a hollow 3 iron for the low ball. I still like my one piece forged player's cavities in the short clubs though.
The fact you struggle to flight them in any way other than high would surely make them a poor choice for most golfers? But I do love the way you look at stuff that many of us might not consider. Can you review any Orka stuff, seen some really interesting reviews on their stuff, especially the quality of the big boys.
I would say most golfers are looking to only flight the ball high Adrian, if you look to do otherwise and I think that would be the minority then these would not be for you. I dont have any Orka clubs sorry
Slazenger FAST irons ...check them out ......came out years ago and are very similar
Which club # were you hitting?
I can and do game this style of golf club. I started playing them after my first abdominal surgery for PMP cancer, I lost a lot of swing speed after that surgery. The looks only took a couple of rounds to get used too, on the upside my son now plays my old 2007 Callaway X Forged.
Good for you, I hope you are well
@@TheAverageGolfer still above ground so all good. Thanks for a good channel.
@@stevoislookingforgolfballs8046 Keep well and play well
New watcher , just got the Wilson launchpad irons and could not be happier
Tour Edge has the iron woods. I play their 6 and 7 ironwoods.
I dont have any access to Tour Edge
I really want to try these, not too bothered by the looks, looking for as much help as I can get :-)
Then give them a go
I still use my cobra t rail hybrids from 7 years ago. Still love em.
yep they work
Bafflers I had those they were red and were great
Will they come out in single lengths and would love you to do comparison vid with the other brands doing this
They are available in single length Jason
I had a set of olimar irons with this look, back in the early 80s
I’m new to golf and find the hybrids more suited to my skill, or lack of skill level.
Confidence inspiring
Landing angle looks very good
All numbers were impressive
Great review
Thxs Jeff
I changed to game improvement irons around 18 months ago. These would feel like a step backwards and would limit much further improvement I think. Where would you go from these?
Is there a need to go anywhere? If they work.....they work, but I understand they are not for everyone
@@TheAverageGolfer I suppose it depends on personal targets / goal setting. I would like to get to 9 before I die, but I don't think I could get there with them.
I tried a set of Adams all hybrid clubs some 10 years ago and I struggled with 7 iron to pitching wedge, they look nice but I could not bring myself to buy a set like this. 😀😀🏌️🍻🇨🇦
Yep I hear you
calloway prototype X revisited?
Bag full of hybrids is à way for récréative, beginers or golfers struggling with irons. A bag full of high lofted woods would work too. 👍
I really do agree
I struggle with hybrids for some reason so these would be a disaster for me 😅
Tour Edge, an American company, has a similar set like this. I have the HL3 IRON-WOOD model, 4-pw....they are easy to hit, like a bag full of hybrids....I've played forged Hogans thru the years, the feel is pretty close....they are just easier to hit. Well made, and $2-300 dollars a set cheaper than the other brands. I know looks matter, but remember what Seve said when they questioned his accuracy...."It's not how, but how many".
how does the distance equate to the equivalent iron? It wouldnt worry me playing them. 5 iron is the club I'm looking the swap out. Hybrid or something like this?
These are strong lofted and maybe a little longer but not huge difference
Thanks so much. Was talking to one of my younger buddies and he just says “old man golf”. Lol. Maybe but I am getting on and it’s all about keeping the white thing in play.
For me looks aren't as important as the performance of the club is. After my re-replacement of my RT knee in January I will be testing the T-Rails against my Cobra Superlite that I'm gaming now.
I just purchased the Cobra T-rail club set. I’m a 75 year old, less than average golfer. These clubs have knocked 5 - 10 strokes off my score. Now if I can only put better. 😂
I can see where this set of irons would be a hit with seniors. I play several hybrids with 6i being my longest iron. I'm not ready for a full set of hybrids but who knows. Perhaps in another 10 years or so. I'm 65 now.
and slower swing speeds maybe
Update: I bit the bullet and bought the 8&9 in the T-rails. And I must say they are easy to hit. I figure at this point(almost 66) don't fight it. Do whatever it takes to enjoy the game more. So my setup is.....Driver, 3&5 woods, 4-7 Rogue x hybrids, 8 & 9 t-rail and 3 Callaway wedges. I'm a legit 9 HC but not embarrassed to play an old man set. Because I am an old man. Ha.
I want these bad. Very similar to my cobra transition s set (15 years old), but on steroids!
good description Boyd
I’m sure these types of clubs would be more successful if they addressed the ego / looks element.
Just a opinion that if the shorter irons looked like chunky irons which progress into hybrid looking mid irons I think people could get over the looks and accept / embrace the help...
Merry Christmas mate, keep up the good work...
Merry Christmas Michael
How do you rate it against the cleveland launcher hb turbo?
Not tried them properly to be honest Peter
I think they can help a lot of golfers who struggle with there irons, also new starters too the game as it will bring enjoyment hitting the ball in the air and it might help promote the game making it easier too play golf rather than struggle with the traditional irons.
As for me being old school and played the game for almost 50 years they wouldn’t look right and I definitely wouldn’t like too play with them in the wind or try too shape a shot. Having said that we are all different and there is no right and no wrong in what you as a individual choose too play with.
Love the channel
Hey Andy good video. Can you shape the ball with these clubs?
I didnt try but I think may struggle to fade!
Great if they struggle to fade these are definitely the ones for me - just been fitted for a set with the ultralight steel shaft can't wait to get them and play
@@robertsmithlivestream how u like them?