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My score card doesn't care what my clubs look like.
but do you?
@@TheAverageGolfer After watching your reviews on the cobra T rails, I've decided to go and try them out. So i guess i will see then.
MODFC100 Cannot be true looks like is most importantie for a decadent hobby
My wallet cares what clubs are made of, not spending £1000 on forged the bend, rust, and wear, had mizuno for 14 month looked shocking, il stick to cast that last forever
Exactly. Well put
Tried the t-rail today and loved them. I don’t care what they look like, miss hits were good and flush hits fantastic. I am a high handicapped golf and looking for something to help my game and after trying the t-rails i think i have found it.
I love the t rail irons. I play golf to post a number, not a picture. Playing to 4 handicap
please do a comparison with the Cleveland Launcher turbo, Cobra T-Rail and the Wilson Launchpad.
If I was going to eat ice cream, I would go with the TW. Just purchaced the T rail 5 iron, I am a scratch.
Believe me Average Joe, you need the T Rail!
Someone has done a You Tube video in this. Use the search function. I recall Cleveland won.
@@kymstock1852 The HB Turbos came in 2nd to T Rails. Wilson Launchpads were 3rd mainly on looks/feel.
@@remoevans2233 There are a few videos on the subject, position one and two varied and then came Wilsons at third. I use Cobra Hybrids and like the baffler rails, so I would probably feel familiar with the T- Rails. I have played with the Clevelands and was impressed, even up to the GW. I have played with the Tour Edge Bazooka, HP4, E521 style clubs and found them a bit too draw biased for my liking. Fun to hit, but I had to aim 10 m right of target.
The Cobra t-rails are no joke! Awesome clubs that are soooooo much easier to hit and the ball flight and distance is crazy good!
Great video again AG!
I guess my question and view on this two fold....
1. I thought golf was suppose to be about fun and having the best round of memories and scoring. So playing clubs that let you score great and have fun playing is the club a person should use.
2. Since when has golf become about looks over performance and scoring? It seems peoples egos get in the way and want a club that looks "pro" and looks "amazing" but that same player cant hit it worth anything and score horribly. Which makes it not fun for them and makes them to not want to golf. Instead of setting the ego aside to play fun, awesome golf and score great and want to keep playing...
I play mizuno Jpx919 forged irons because it is like a blade with the performance of a non blade. But I hit them amazing and have fun with them. And I score amazing with them!
So my question is....looks or score? Fun or frustration? Shouldnt it be a easy question for people to answer?
Beast!!! Got a full set of t-rails(4i-sw) in my bag now.
The T-Rails are now beauties as well, at least in my eye! 2021 was my best year golfing by a long shot.
Currently playing M4 TM's, only been playing for 6-7 months. Since your last review I have been seriously looking at getting the Cobra T Rails. If I'm honest I do care about the looks of the club but I do like the look of the T-Rail.
They are amazing performers
Great vide Merry Christmas so loved the look and feel of my Miura CB301 irons small and butter soft forged but now play Cleveland 588 Altitude irons forged face and feel and sooo easy to play and handicap of 16 maintained easier. So it will be the chunky ones for me, once I no longer care about handicap the TW irons in regular graphite shafts will be the choice.
Currently playing the Callaway Apex MBs and love them. My dispersion was like yours and the feel/looks are incomparable to anything I’ve owned.
I'm 60 years old half crippled and am going to have my RT knee replacement replaced again in January. When I can swing a club again I'm all for trying the T-RAILS against my Cobra Superlite irons. I hit my 7 iron 125yds driver about 200+ and play to a 14 handicap, any distance I can gain would be great.
Good luck with the knee
Try the cobra's up against the HB Launchers and Wilson Launch Pad there are a few choices in this market now.
@@stevoislookingforgolfballs8046 Thanks, the biggest problem is no store or golf course within 100 miles of me carry more than 1 of ea brand.
@@TheAverageGolfer Thank you, I'll keep you posted. I subscribe to your site for your honest opinions and you are 1 of 4 you-tubers that replies to my comments ( Alister Davies, Todd Graves And Eric Cogorno are the others) keep up the good work!
@@greghoutchens2395 I can't personally vouch for the Cobra or Wilson sets, I have the previous version of the HB Launchers in A Flex and they are as advertised. If you play off lots of tight lies, I would stop at a PW and go bladed wedge from there.
I love the look of a blade or players cavity back and I have owned a few over my time playing golf, however my best scores are coming at the moment playing HB launchers. So for me I will take the beast with a bladed wedge or two depending on the course.
I go by how the clubs perform on the simulator. I don't play a particularly long course so distance isn't huge, but I need all the help I can get with dispersion. I recently bought some Cleveland VAS (the purple ones) so appearance isn't huge. They performed well on the simulator for me, hope they do well on course too.
I like clubs like the t-rail for confidence feel and also the wide bottom to help me not dig in as much as I do. I dont have any yet but looking into them for sure.
I think how it looks to your eye makes you feel more confident. Back in the day 90s up to 2005 before I quit. I couldn't hit Callaway irons main reason I hated how they looked behind the ball. Just started back this year. Now trying to focus on more the performance and for now I need the forgiveness so I would definitely choose the trail
I oscillate between the extremes. Currently a great set of G30s. I flip used clubs whenever i get the itch to try something different.
I have the T-Rails and absolutely love them. Height and distance is amazing. Confidence and consistency and and the results must lend them to be forgiving on off center strikes. This test video is very much appreciated. I wish I could have been a part of the test. I’m a mid handicapper
Glad you like them!
I feel it will always come down to score and performance. After 4 or 5 rounds with the "pretty" clubs and higher scores the shine will eventually dull. I would rather play the part than look the part.
You have great content. Your ideas are spot on. I went from blades to the t rails, since I am older and don’t play as much. They take time to get used to
When I went to have a fitting I told them I was open to what ever worked . With that they got the needed information . After all said and done I was " fitted " into blades . If the T rails had worked I would have used them and if something in between had worked better then I would had went with it . I remember telling them in the beginning I was under no illusion I could hit blades lol. The truth is the shaft has way more to do with what you can and cant do than the heads . I love the Wilson Staff blades I have used them several rounds and my game has really improved !!!
Mizuno - tradition feel and look of mp20 or blade helps for consistency in set up - hard lines
I'm kind of weird. I like what some cavity backs are doing in regards to color in the cavity. If I was forced to choose between those 2 in particular, I would choose the titleist. I think Cleveland made the best looking hybrid irons.
Just bought the t rail 5 to PW I'm a 62 yr old mid handicap but I'm recovering from cancer which was taken out of the small of my back , I've lost a lot of distance and the trail will give me hight and distance as I've been measured for them , in the nets I was getting both hight and distance, i'm now going to enjoy my game with confidence and the consistency I had before the operation .
I currently play the 2021 T-Rails. They fit my swing and help me get around the course. No shame here. They feel great on contact and I like the weight of the club head. I never fell into the trap of having to play what others play. I tried many sets and while getting fitted I was given the “let’s try these…” and the numbers for the T-Rails out performed any of the other irons I tried, be it’s cavity backs or muscle backs. Why make the game harder trying to swing TW blades if another set gives you better scores? Golf is hard enough as it is. I personally love my T-Rails and have no regrets putting them into my bag
I play the P7TWs. I find that with my shallow swing that the narrow sole really works for me. "Forgiving" irons with wide soles always seem to cause problems for me.
These sets of videos really get me thinking. The blades look beautiful and that’s always been a part of the mindset when buying new kit for me. But if I was really struggling with a certain aspect and the other irons helped me I’d be mad not to go for them wouldn’t I???
Now playing a full bag of cobra baffles hybrid irons, 3-7, and never scored better. At 73, I’ve lost a lot of ball speed and flexibility. These clubs give me the confidence and forgiveness to still play competitively with most people in my regular group , including the younger ones. I’m looking forward to trying out the T-rails and/or the Cleveland launchers. They may not be pretty, like the mizunos but they sure have made the game fun for me again.
Really depends on a few things
Handicap low, medium or high.
Enjoyment
To be fair I'm not experienced when it comes to trying different clubs but I can't help but think it doesn't really make much difference if it's a blade or a super GI club. They're both a lofted but flat faced bit of metal on the end of a stick. The ball goes where the club face and the swing path determines it will go.
Maybe in the new year I will get to try some different irons and find out for myself.
I think having your PXGs and the TW blades is ideal... you can play whichever set you're feeling on the day!🏌️♂️
I've just moved into the Orka RS10 Mb because I fancied a new set of irons and these are beautiful. As much as I'd like to say I'm all about performance I think how something looks is also important. I also think a more bladed iron could actually help you to improve your game in terms of ball striking because of the feedback and you know you wont get away with it as much. I've certainly been practicing far more since I bought these then I have done in recent years.
I think there is some logic in this thought process
Consistency. Feel (sound). Looks. In that order. Went from AP3 to JPX tour based on those factors last year. Of course lost some distance, but the number on the bottom of the club means less to me now. Dropped 2 strokes on handicap. I'm sure I'll go to game improvement when I need more distance.
I have a Lazrus set of hybrid irons. I’m playing them today instead of my regular PXG 0211xcor2 set. Should be fun! Thanks Andy
As a high handicapper, I don’t get hung up on sound of the club or what loft it is but I do like to know the distance I hit each club. This is more important to me and if a mate hits a wedge and I hit a nine iron - who cares? I recently bought new TM M6 irons and it has taken 6 months but now I hit them more consistently. A big factor for me when buying was the look of the club and knowing I’ve got a reputable brand. Love your video content- keep them coming.
This video perfectly highlights the benefit of building a custom bag that will swap out longer irons for a more forgiving type once you can no longer hit your longest iron consistently enough to get optimal distance gaps, peak heights & descent angles. Adjusted for loft, the cobra is producing blade type numbers and consistency, and while ridiculous from an old-school perspective, basically gaps perfectly with the TW bladed irons. If most of the guys on tour are now doing this at the top end of their bag, then every Average Golfer should as well.
Enjoyed the video. My swing isn't consistent enough to get the tight dispersion that you got with the TW irons. So while I like the looks of blade irons, I can't really play them. Currently using TM M6 irons. I need the forgiveness but who doesn't want (consistent) extra distance.
The M6 irons are a great all rounder
Great stuff. I love the look of blades but not the stinging fingers in winter. Ping I 210s are my compromise!
They are great irons
Looks will play a part always for an average golfer, because it's a recreational activity. As for performance, depends on how long you've been playing. I'm a recent golfer and need to know when I max out in ability. So for now I chose average clubs. When I know I can't progress that much, I decide for easier option and get back to fully recreational activity 👍
Thats logical
I have a split set of cobras 3-6 cavity back (small cavities tho) 7-pw blades I just prefer a smaller top lane and Blade length suits the eye nice 9 handicapp
AG...
Ps...the answer to your question...I would play the Tiger irons, not because of ego or anything like that. But because I like to, and cant work the ball. I like to have the control over the ball. But i am a 2.5 handicap and can do that. I would personally suffer with the cobra T rail irons but that is just me. But again I choose fun over frustration and scoring over ego.
Thanks brother for all your input and excellent insight on the clubs and game.
Jay.
As a below average golfer, 28 handicap, I struggle with consistent ball striking, I do however play in the summer with Taylormade p 770 forged irons because the feeling makes me want to play more and get better, I also use Cleveland launcher cbx irons that are more forgiving, I would like to try true blades but need to improve more, full membership and club golf beckons this year.
good luck with it all
Another good video Andy. Totally agree its what floats your boat. I like to look on golf clubs as "tools" to get the job done more than looks. Myself I am waiting to try the new F max airspeed from cobra, 65th birthday coming up and thinking of treating myself, you never know could be my last set. Hoping new technology etc can keep me competitive for a few more years. Hope you get the chance to test the new f max airspeed be good to hear your views/opinions on lighter clubs and the benefits of using them, what type of player, swing speed they would suit.
good luck and happy birthday soon......
You were striking the ball well there fella. Useful vid for me. I moved from TM RSi1 to titlelst AP2 in the autumn. I surprised myself how well I hit the ap2s. I just need help 4 and 5 iron. More time on the range maybe.
I cant use a club I don’t like the look of but if I hit it off the middle every time I will like the look of it 😉
very true
I think (as a beginner) i go for clubs that offer confidence over looks, if it looks like it will work for me then it seems to help. I have a set of old X12 Callaways apart from the 6 Iron which is a more bladed club and I really cannot hit that club at all, it looks like behind the ball but thats about it for me (at this stage of my playing of course)
Makes sense BArry
I think it matters to some people how the clubs look. As for myself it wouldn't bother me too much as long as the clubs did the job. Thanks for your review of the Wilson Staff D 7 Irons I tested them and liked them and bought them and they look good can't wait too get them on the golf course.
Hope they go well!
4-6 the t rail. 7 a hybrid of the two. 8-PW blades
So many factors performance, looks, cost, etc. Personally I go for the middle ground currently play TM RSi 1 irons 5-PW had them a few years and love them however I have added a lumpy Cleveland 588 MT 4 iron at the top end and changed a couple of wedges to Cleveland CBX2 at the bottom end. Not sure I could play anything I really hate the look of, however they become better looking when they perform well. I do however believe most of us are golf snobs to a greater or lesser degree.
really good comment
I like the looks of the black behind the ball. I have Idea tech from Adams. They are black and fly high, straight and far. What more could you want?
I play a set of Ben Hogan PTX Pro irons which are beautiful relatively compact as well as forged. On the other hand they have some tech under the hood. When I see a shovel it doesn’t inspire confidence for I’ve always felt like big clubs don’t interact with turf well even though it doesn’t make sense it’s just a feeling that is hard to get past.
Sound like a nice compromise, never trued them
Great comparison Andy, as I said before, I'll have t-rails 4-7 then blades for the scoring clubs. Might need to double up on the 7's though judging by the gapping. Just picked up a cheap set of forged blades to test with my current setup before I dive in to new clubs next year.
Thats such an interesting set up Adam
Got to give these things a try 😉
When I was younger I was a great long iron player, but 30 yrs on I much prefer hybrids at that end! Still can't beat blades for feel though.
@@adammaxfield3125 I am probably the same right now
If I as as good as tiger then I would use his blades, but since golf is secondary and work is primary, I will never be as good as tiger... I just bought the t-rail from 5-pw, use cobra f8 hybrids in 17° and 21° and love them... Use blades for wedges (also cobra)... I feel confident now that if I don't hit it perfect it will still get out there and I have a better chance to lower my score.... But my question is this, if 100 years ago golf clubs looked the the t-trail would there be this discussion? Happy new year Andy, love your videos
it's about the performance and how easy it is to hit for me, not really fussed about looks - we would all love the best looking blades in our bags but if you get an inconsistent game with them what's the point! love videos Andy keep it up #YNWA
Looks but I can hit a blade but when I just started I used manly woods
I won a couple of bob on the horses a few days back, so, as I've been struggling recently, I treated myself to a new set of irons. I went for Cleveland Launcher HB, (5 to PW). They are called irons, but for all intents and purposes it's a full set of hybrids. I've only had them a couple of days and haven't had a chance to use them yet, but I've lost track of how many times I've picked one up and sat it behind a ball in the living room and sighed ecstatically at the prospect of using them come Sunday. They just inspire confidence. I actually think they look quite pretty, but for looks alone a blade is always going to win hands down.
I can relate to people being swayed by looks over what may be better for their game to a certain extent. I'm in my 60's now, but when I was younger I used to do a lot of cycling. I had my standard road bike, but I also had a track bike that was possibly the most beautiful thing I have ever owned. I never did any track racing and it was mostly pointless, but I loved that bike.
fantastic balanced opinion, hope the clubs work well Derek
i am a 6 hcp and always played my ben hogan apex blades that are 20 years old...until last week when i bought also the cleveland launcher hb irons and they save my a lot of shots that i struggle to play with my blades
@@jurgenvandenberge3049 I've lost an awful lot of swing speed as I've got older and have been struggling to get my irons in the air and have lost all confidence with them. I'm really hoping that the Cleveland HB's are as easy to hit as they appear when I address the ball.
@@derek2787 they give a lot of confidence! and that means everything in golf!
Andy I kind of agree with you on this on some points ,a 4 iron is not too hard to hit if you practice and have a decent swing speed ,if you play just a few times a year and want to just have a bit of walk and laugh round the course then fill your bag with hybrid type clubs .but it's not for everyone . No amount of loft or forgiveness will make you hit the ball straighter ,that is a fact ,but it will help you get the ball in the air .Golf like snooker is a hard game ,play on an easy club table with big pockets will give you confidence ,but you wouldn't want to be doing that all the time when you got to a better standard ,yes you might make more shots to begin with but big pockets won't help with position .I swapped out my Nike blades a couple of ago and went to AP3 with lots of offset ,big mistake ,since have gone back to a more compact iron muscle back design and my game is better with on average lower scores .Everything is relevant to what each person wants out of the game and in this day and age there is more gear that you can shake a stick at .The game of golf will never be easy though .
The most beautiful irons I ever saw were the mizuno mp37s. It may have been the shafts but I could not hit them. I’ve tried cavities, game improvement irons and hands down the most easy to hit, launch and play half shots with were the mizuno mp33s. Wish I still had a set.
I had MP5s for years and still my favourite clubs
As a golfer I admire the looks of the TM club and would love to own a set, but the reality of my age/ability is that I now require all the help I can get with performance/forgiveness and unfortunately this outweighs aesthetics! With the increasing average age of golfers, Cleveland recognised this need sometime ago and now Cobra (T-Rail) and Wilson (Launchpad) have as well.
I want to play what is the easiest to get off the ground. I also want what ever going to get the most distance. Plus what feels the softest, and has the best sound.
i have a full set of t rails and i love themmmmmmmmmmmmmm my confidence hitting the ball with any iron is my selling point
This comment is a few years late. I love the look of hybrids and hybrid irons. Just bought the 2023 Cobra T Rails. Can't wait for winter to end in 5 or so months. I started my golfing days with Stan Thompson Golf clubs. The first set came with 1-10 laminated maple woods and RC-20X irons so at least half my bag consisted of small hybrid sized fairway woods. From there I bought into the Orlimar IRS hybrids skeam of clubs. Switched to Thomas Golf at725 hybrid set, then to Cobra S2 Max hybrid iron set with the rails. Then to the Cleveland HB's set Messing around the Bang O Matic complete hybrid set and Tour Edge ironwoods. Never liked the what is called a true iron with Thanks for Stan Thompson Golf.
Bought a set of used Cleveland 588cb irons in great condition for 150 squid....dynamic gold s300 shafts. The s300 shafts are on the heavy side, so I've bought a used set of Nippon modus 3 120 stiff shafts for 120 squid as they are a bit lighter.....guy I know is gonna switch em over for 50 squid.....I rarely buy new.
AVG, would you recommend these Cobras, or the Cleveland Launcher XL Halo irons?
My HMB’s feel and look great, like hitting a blade with a bit of help.
Yep the perfect compromise
Would love to play blades but am happy with my mizuno jpx forged. I do hit a 3 and 4 hybrid though and would consider a 5 hybrid but certainly nothing 6 and below. The hybrids are much easier to hit than the comparative long irons but can't see benefits much below a 5 iron. If I wanted extra yardage I might go to more game improvement irons but don't like the look of most of them. Too much offset generally and I don't like seeing the back of an iron sticking out behind the top line it just doesn't look right.
To be fair the JPX forged is a great looking club
Great video , my parameters are price and are they forgiving with some distance. Looks are important because if you don't like what you are looking at then you probably won't like playing with it. But be open minded, the reason price I sow my main factor is clubs are getting more expensive and they depreciate more than a car.
Good point
Myself I don't like big and bulky they might help alot I don't know but I would take Taylormade P790S that's as big as I go but love blades even if I shoot 90
I am similar mindset
The T rail has stronger loft, so instead of comparing 7 to 7 iron tiger woods, can you match up the lofts and grip up or down on one to do a head to head comparison? I'd also like to hear more about the T rail pitching and sand wedge and why the bulky clubs are harder to shape shots with. If I could hit any club good, I'd go for looks, but I can't, so I'm considering the T rails
Some on course testing with T rails soon
At 0.56 . . . . the TW irons . . .
Finished now - I bought MP20 MB (play off 8) . . . there is no better feeling in golf to catch a 5i sweetly, see it drawing from left to right on a delightful arc, carrying the appropriate length because your swing plane, tempo and face at impact were correct . . . however, if the latter 3 point are not all present, it doesn’t do the former 😉
Best wishes Andy
Happy Christmas Brian
You too matey - look forward to a 5i face off when you get your TW irons
I suspect it really depends on whether you are a "compressor" of the ball, or a "sweeper". A compressor of the ball will get a better result from the blades, than a sweeper,
I for one, am very confused about the distance hunt. I want proper gapping from 80 to 180 yards.
I’m contemplating taking my 3I out of the bag so that I can put a 3W in. But my 56, 53, and 49 degree wedges are all staying in. The fact that the gap from my 8I (140) to my 49 is 40 yards rather than 30 yards bugs me a lot more than the fact that my 8I “only” goes 140. I might tweak lofts so I can add an extra wedge under my PW.
How often do you approach the green from more than 180?
whatever works Ben
Loft is only half the equation. The other half is shaft length.
If you have a player's 7 iron at 34 degrees and a "distance" 7 iron at 27 degrees, for example, there might not be much difference in distance if the shafts are the same and the same length. However, if you add an inch to the distance iron, so that it's basically then a 5 iron, you should get a good amount more distance.
A little off topic Andy, but did you see the comparison between the T-rail and the HB Turbo irons done by 2ndSwing? I like the idea and look of the Cobra’s, but the Cleveland’s just outperformed them. That being said, I’d love to get the TM Tiger irons in my spec from 6-pw, but don’t think they do that. Love my middle hybrids and fairway woods, But really enjoy the satisfaction from hitting a blade dead solid perfect once in awhile. PLUS THEY LOOK FANTASTIC.
I havent seen the review but I will have the Cleveland HB early new year to test
I think for me growing up with razor blade, blades I always find chunky iron difficult to get past the looks, if starting out golf now it would be a different matter. I guess great video as always Andy.
I agree, started playing with blades and never leaves you
In my case age determines what clubs I play. If I had to choose between the two, I would play the T rail. But I would have to get use to the look at address.
very good point
I'm at the stage were I get most pleasure from hitting a good straight shot, so I'll use whatever club does that best for me so I wouldn't have a problem using the cobras.
Looks and feel Andy so I'd pick the TW. Like you I don't care about the number on the bottom or the loft as long as the gapping is spot on and there is some forgiveness. My opinion may well change in future years but I'm sure my body will let me know when that time comes.
I’d be picking the TW irons personally, I have played blades multiple times and my scores don’t change compared to a cavity back. I probably enjoy the game more with blades
I would probably echo that PAul
Class as always Andy. Don't think I could play the cobra but everybody 2 there own 👌👍⛳
yes agreed
I play the Hogan PTx which are great clubs and show loft rather than club number. I bought Hogan for a historic reason. Love them. I have them because very few at home play them.
It is four degrees between each single club.
Today I only care of how far the actual club go. I want a 100 meter club, 120 m club and a 150m club. And I start from that point.
Today, equipment is so good compared to the 80s or 90s. My driver delievers and ouzes confidence. My FW4 delievers. My Ping 9FW is amazing and compete with my old Hybrid 3. Depends on wind. Distance is basically the same but landing degree is difference.
Basically use 8-iron, PW, GW, AW and SW once I am off tee.
I bought for fun the TigerWoods iron and these are still in the box. Had a 30% off retail price. Will most likely use them and IF I would sell them I am sure I would regret it...
Using the cleveland altitude hybrids at the moment. I do not care what my clubs look like I want all the help I can get. I still struggle with the 5 iron version and prefer a cobra f8 hybrid then the 7 Wood for longer shots.
Hope they are working well
I now use the old adams irons. if I was going to buy new irons I would buy the Cobra T-Rail . They do somewhat like my old adams irons. If they are forgiving like my Adams I would buy them.
I would play mizuno hmm but price is too high at the moment will wait for second hand ones to surface
wont be long Gary
I agree with you that the numbers on the clubs don't matter so wouldn't it have been fairer to compare 2 clubs that go the same distance? What's your dispersment like with the TW you can hit 165yds? If it's as tight as the 7 then it's a no brainer.
I try to decide what clubs to play based on a few things. Firstly I'll see a couple of clubs that I like the look of. Then I'll go and test a few of the ones I like. Then pick my gamers dependent on best performance from my group of preferred clubs. If they're all pretty similar, I'll go with the one I like the look of best.
Golf is my passion, so I want something in my hand that I like to use. So I'll always aspire towards better player irons.
I think thats a good summary
The TW club is what is appealing to my eye. The Cobra is too chunky for me. Maybe I am old school. I love how a club feels and sounds. Hope you had a Merry Christmas. Boxing day today.
Think I must be old school to
The numbers are very interesting. With a 5.5 degree loft difference that is just about 1.3 clubs (not that you can have 0.3 of a club but bare with me). Distance wise I would expect a 13-15 yard gap between the 2 clubs and spin rates I would expect about a 1000 rpm difference (most players get a 600-800 rpm difference between clubs) - if the clubs were the same type of club which they are not. What we actually see is that distance gap is pretty much spot on but that the spin rate difference is a bit wider than expected at 1500 rpm. Then when we move to peak height and descent angle - peak height is identical and descent angle for T-rail slightly shallower.
So what can we make of the numbers. To my mind both irons are very impressive and the T-rails are so much better than the distance irons (eg M2s and similar) of 4-5 years ago. I suspect that the spin rate gap is more down to the Tiger irons being relatively high spinning rather than the T-rails being low spin - 5440 rpm for a 30 degree club is decent
I agree, there is little to seperate them
Could you do a review on the Cleveland HB turbo irons and driver
yes soon
I have them and love them
I was hitting a friend's old TP9, that Nick Faldo would have been emotional to use, at the driving range for several years. When you hit it sweet it was nice, but slightly off and it cut the hands it was so sharp. It was hit and miss and never felt confident enough to go out any play 18 holes.
Someone gave me an offset Wilson Reflex 5 Hybrid to hit. I was tonking it miles. And it was absolutely fun. I didn't think I could miss. Suddenly I feel like I can play this game. Now I am thinking I should get some second hand T Rails, or HBs.
Don't care what they look like. Go out there and have fun smacking the ball over 200 yards....
Would choose something in between. Have the Mizuno MX 20's beauty and forgiveness. Once you've hit a forged iron it's near impossible to go back to cast irons.
I think thats logical
Looking to buy a new set of irons in the new year. As a mid handicapper I worry I'm not good enough to play a "premium forged iron" even though my golf pals say I'm a strong iron player. What would you personally recommend trying? Max budget about £1200
Callaway Apex CF19, TM P790, Mizuno HMB and PXG 0211
Try a "better player" iron at least for the shorter irons. I moved this year to the Ping i210s and am very happy although the nicest iron I tried was Mizuno 919 Tours - although 5i & 6i were so small they were scary. 919 Forged is a great club and a bit bigger, very confidence inspiring but The Average Golfer's recommendations are also very good of those P790s and Mizuno HMB are stunning
Cost vs performance. If something isn't going to out perform what I already own I wouldn't change. The Cobra t-rail appeals to me as I enjoy the idea of hitting a full set of hybrids. I prefer woods and hybrids to irons so I'm very interested in the T-rail
Cost is certainly an issue woth the TW irons!
£2500 a set of TW irons I believe. The thing with buying blades like that is you can play them forever as technology isn't really changing much in blades. I need as much help as possible lol blades won't be for me ha ha
I am 77. Hop 17,5 Swing speed 75 mph. Is T- Rail à club for me ?.?
I'd play the t-rail but I'm more interested in performance than looks and I don't buy into the traditional thinking that the blades "look better" (they don't).
The usual unbiased review Andy. Personally it's a bit like buying a car . It's what suits your needs,meets your budget, reliability, availability and so on. The badge and looks are secondary for me . The TW irons are a Ferrari lovely to look at ,super performance but too much to handle for me. So a bit like the car become something to enjoy looking at and performing in somebody else's hands.
Hope that this makes sense.
Happy new year.
Thanks
great analogy David
If i look at at the TW7 irons whilst they look nice i'm not drawn to them in the slightest as i am no where near good enough to play them my strike is way to inconsistent. If i look at the Cobra i don't like the look of them and whilst they may be beneficial it is not enough to make me consider them as i feel a more traditional game improvement iron would offer similar performance with a much improved look
The TW irons are beautiful, I have demoed them recently but my fear is misses will really suffer, especially out on the course with different lies. The mat is always a litter easier because thick shots aren't punished ad badly. I don't like the looks of the t rail so I wouldn't use them but I'd definitely use something like the PXG sgi irons.
Thats a good point you make
@@TheAverageGolfer AG, When is your interview with Bob Parsons going online? I am interested in seeing that.
RazoRock mid Jan 👍
I'd be more in the middle. Played Ping i200s and moved to P790s for a bit more distance. Tried and liked Ping G410 but even those I wasnt fussed on the looks of. I know they'd probably suit me better but just couldnt do it. And I play off 10.
I think thats logical
totally agree I'm thinking of new clubs but i would never consider a game improvement iron as i do not like the looks of chunky irons even though it would proberly help my golf and my wallet think most of us are the same i play of 14
Love your beanie hat Andy What brand is it?