Cleveland HB Turbo vs. Cobra T-Rail Test | Trackman Testing & Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2019
- Cleveland and Cobra are both out with new game-improvement irons this fall and both feature unique, hybrid-like shaping and tremendous #performance attributes for mid- and high-handicap golfers. Cleveland’s release is the #HBTurbo, which constitutes the next chapter in what has been a successful iron franchise for the company, while Cobra’s new #T-Rail irons represent its first offering of a full iron set like this. To see how the HB Turbo and T-Rail irons compared, 2nd Swing master fitter Thomas Campbell and 2nd Swing staff member Steve Ettel put each to the test using Trackman 4 and then dove into the numbers and discussed sound, look, and feel.
You can find more information about the Cleveland HB Turbo and Cobra T-Rail irons, as well as other new iron models, at www.2ndswing.com/t-latest-mod....
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Well done, most reviewers and pages do the tests themselves and I like the fact you have used a senior to test these hybrid irons as this is the market they are designed for.
I'm 28 and i've ordered the T-rails 😬
Excellent test on game improvement clubs with a senior swing speed. Much more relevant to the target market.
Was looking at the t-rail, now i am looking at the Cleveland or the Cobra FMax. Thanks for the in depth comparison.
Thanks Kelly. Let us know what you end up deciding to do!
Exactly what I’m comparing thx for vid
Reviews on youtube about ultra game improvement irons are made with low handicap. Would someone let the 25 hdc with 70 mph swing speed guy review them? It's probably made more sense, right?
I bought a set of Cobra T-rails. In all the irons I've owned over the years. These irons changed my whole game. I went from scores 94 to 98 to 79 to 83. I really love the 6 and 7 iron and pitching wedge.
What would you say the advantages of playing the T-rails have been to improve your game? - Thomas
Two great clubs, maybe the light shaft in a cobra is not in the range of 80mph?excellent rewew as always, love it👏
Literally just tested the cleveland's monday night and the graphite shafts really do those clubs a disservice. Those irons really like weight. IIRC the set I ordered either had 80-90gram steel shafts
can you do the Wilson Launch Pads?
So just to confirm was the chap hitting a cleveland 4 hybrid at 22 degrees or the iron hybrid at 20 degrees?
Kind regards
Nice comparison between both sets of clubs. But I feel that the T-Rails didn't get to show their full potential by not being used on the turf which is where they may have an advantage over the Cleveland clubs on fat shots and miss hits.
Maybe there is a part 2 in the works?
Louie, thanks for your comment and for checking out the video. You make a great point about the rails and we will definitely see what we can do about testing outdoors with the T-Rails. Unfortunately, it might be a little while before we can do that up here in Minnesota, where golf season comes to a screeching halt at the end of October, but we will add that to our list of videos that we want to get shot. Thanks!
Older cobra baffler hybrids for this 72 year old. Games has improved vastly since I traded in the 4,5,6 irons for these hybrids. I take a lot of ribbing from the younger players in my group but, it’s often me, finding their balls in the woods and rough.
Try Rife hybrid irons, they are brilliant...
So much forgiveness ... they stop fating the ball and confidence in most shots... they look strange but if they work what is the problem?
Steve's swing is more consistent than he gives himself credit for. I suspect the rather different shafts may have had an influence on the outcomes and one interesting 'tell' was the spin rate. The Cobra span significantly more than the Cleveland, flying higher, descending more steeply and rolling-out a lot less. Although longer is (sometimes) good, holding the green with the Clevelands would be a lot harder. I was considering trailing a T-rail hybrid (really like the rail concept) but the sound of it is really unappealing. I might look at the F9 hybrid instead. Thanks, good review.
I'm a bit confused when you say F9 Hybrid? Isn't this review about Hybrid irons'? I didn't know there was F9 Hybrid Irons and having an F9 driver I'd love to know about them?
Thank you for this nice test.✌️ I personally changed the summer behind to Cleve HB turbo irons with Miyasaki graphite shaft and been very happy of this choice. Everything felt better and in 3 months HCP went remarkably down. The trend will continue.... In season to come, in 2022.
Hi, good video, I'm interested in hybrid irons as I'm now 70, I saw comments elsewhere that these clubs are really quite heavy and difficult for someone in their 70s, can you advise on this please, I've always used graphite shafts. Cheers. Eric
Not necessarily heavy considering you are playing a graphite shaft. There is more volume/side on the sole that may make it seem a little heavier but no concerns at all with the right golf shaft for you - Thomas
Just tried these at my local golf shop.
Best I did with a 7 hybrid iron 219 mtres - 239.501 yards.😳
Geez to think I hit my titleist 710 Aps2 4 iron 220mtres.🤔
After owning titleist almost 14 years time for a new set.Money is down on my Cobra T rails👍👌
7 iron 240 yards? Downhill, downwind and hit the cart path?
@@teeembeee nah just in a simulator 👍
PerpetualApex fr I hit my g25 31* hybrid consistently 205, on the monitor at DSG I was averaging 248
@@gammyluvblack7492 well done
the 4 ap2 is 24 deg and 7 corbra is 30deg, You should hit a club 6 degs stronger about 15/20yards further. You are either swinging the cobra faster or getting a much better smash factor out of it (or both), a launch monitor would show that.
i suspect the shaft was also to light/flexi in the cobra in this test as well
Avid golfer and practice daily age 73 have cobra t rail would recommend seems they only go straight great clubs
I got confused I thought we were testing clubs but you were testing Steve.
Should someone who hits a PW 115-120 be using a stiff flex shaft ?
The question I have is are these types of club able to be adjusted for lie or loft? Are they made in different lies?
You can bend them like a regular iron
Would love to see the latest version of Tour Edge's hybrid iron included in one of these comparison tests
Jack I have been fooling around with some Tour Edge Hybrid- irons I picked up at a sale. They were the Bazookas ( 3,5,7,9,Sw) and felt very hybrid like ( draw biased) but they get the ball up in the air. I added a PW ( HP4) and it feels much like the Cleveland Launcher to hit. I also added a e-521 6 iron with the Houdini sole, but I am not that impressed with the turf interaction compared to the Cobra rails concept.
Cleveland all the way for me
Had cobra irons 1998 not bad but have Cleveland old highbore fantastic im 74 Makes me feel young hit good & far
Can someone tell me if either can be adjusted to 2 degrees upright? Or are they available set up that way from the factory? Thanks
I believe the Cobra can do that.
They both are.
Nice vid Guys, I always enjoy club reviews where the tester is a similar age to myself it is then much more relevant to myself and my game.
I'm certainly not a fitter but the heavier shaft in the Cleveland set seemed to suit Steve more than the lighter shaft in the Cobra. I changed to KBS Tour graphite shafts in my Orka Irons (I'm not sure if they are available in the States) and the increase in weight really helped me tighten up my dispersion and gave me a 5-10 yard increase in distance. Being heavier somehow gave me more confidence to swing faster with the heavier shaft, which seems pretty counter-intuitive but it was definitely a factor.
Thanks for the feedback Bandit. The shaft certainly is an important part of unlocking maximum performance and for Steve, who at his age generates some pretty good club speed, a little heavier or even a stiff flex (in a lighter graphite shaft) could definitely make a difference. For this video, we just wanted to take a look at how the two clubs performed with their stock shaft options, but exploring some different shafts in these irons would be a good subject for a future video!
@@2ndswing Agreed that would be a great follow vid, showing how the set up could be optimised.
@@2ndswing Interesting how manufacturers still think the only golfers interested in these types of clubs are women and 'old' men, isn't it?
@@rufussthoo4083 damn straight, as a 40+ handicapper, I'll take whatever help i can get. :(
For me, I never underestimate Cobra but I bag HB3's so... Cleveland for the win
Curious. Why is he using a stiff shaft with such a low swing speed?
at 1:21 states both shafts in regular
Yep. The test clubs have regular shafts. He said he was using stiff shafts in his own clubs.
@@rlbjr He is swinging the 7 iron about 80/81mph the general charts give 70/80reg 80/90 stiff, so he's right on the borderline.
Shaft flex has more to do with transition than swing speed.
the cobras are good on the eye and generally sexier looking, but the Clevelands are but like a german auto ... they are just better
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Thank you. Wanted the Cobra to "win" but the Cleveland definitely had the edge.
Cleveland's had a lot of success with this type of iron through the years so it's definitely not a surprise to see them perform well. But for a different golfer the results might be different, especially if you get into exploring some different shaft options, specs, etc., which is why we always encourage golfers to test the clubs they're interested in if at all possible. We appreciate you checking out the video, Chris!
@@2ndswing It appeared that the cobra has a more upright lie angle. For some like this guy...He needed a more layed off angle of attack. Personally I like a more upright stance to the club.
I don't know.. If he had a 180 yard shot into a tight green, I think the T-Rail definitely showed less roll-out and a better angle coming in to stick on the green. Length is less important than controlling your distance. You need more length, grab the next club.
@@mychaljw yeah thats what im having my problems whith. stopping power. so for me its the t-rails.
Just bought the t rails didn’t try the Cleveland’s, wish I had
This test between Cleveland and Cobra appears to be an outlier. Look around the net, most tests show the Cobra winning over Cleveland on many levels. I think they're both good clubs but this spring I plan on bagging the Cobra. Besides it's so beautiful with that black finish how can I resist.
A 50gram R shaft in the cobra seems very light for a player with an 82mph swing speed, would that flex it and let the face open, giving him all those misses to the right. If he's in sales he needs to start using swing speed instead of ball speed, as you can have a low ball speed but higher swing speed etc due to smash factor
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Steve’s short game must be pro level to be shooting 80 with his iron game.
i dont hit it as far as him and i break 80 .7.8 hc ,,,up and down wizard
It's all about choosing the correct club for the distance.
"Drive for show, Putt for dough!"
I would expect that the Cobra would perform better on grass, especially on difficult lies. Why not test these again on grass with a high handicap player
We're definitely looking forward to getting the T-Rails outside and seeing how they perform from different types of lies in the hands of a good target player for them. Like you, we expect they'll be very good, as has been the case with Cobra's hybrids and fairways and the rail technology that they utilize. The reality, however, is that we're in Minnesota, so when we hit mid-October, which is when we first got these irons, our chances to get outside and do any testing are pretty limited, and we simply didn't catch a day where we could make it work. But it's on our radar for sure.
@@2ndswing I would be happy to do the testing for you in Oz .
@@2ndswing Those rails look pretty aggressive. My experience with the F9 hybrids was that the rails work better on grass than on turf. I don't like the feel of them on turf because it seems to be grabby, but on grass they're fantastic, and grass is where the game is played. Could it be the same with the T-rails? Longest iron I use is a 6 because, why not?
@@julia-6195 whats are you defining as turf and grass? there is fairway and rough.
@@krusher74 Maybe he means the synthetic indoor mat?
If I understood correctly, not much difference between his own clubs and the ones he's testing.
So I wonder where is the added value.
Marc, the idea here was to test these two irons against each other using someone who better represents the target player for each. It wasn't about how either would fare against what Steve plays now or about perfectly fitting Steve into one these models. We could do something along those lines in the future, but in this case it simply wasn't going to make sense to have someone like Thomas Campbell, with his speed and at his ability level, test these two irons to see how the numbers turned out. Hope that makes sense. Thanks.
@@2ndswing I understood well. But as those clubs are supposed to be easier to play, lighter, adapted to mid handicape golfers, and more forgiving, I'm surprised that a golfer like Thomas doesn't gain anything with them. This was made explicite in some Wilson launch pad irons reviews for example.
However, even if testing clubs with the same shaft is the only way to compare them fairly, you're review is very informative.
Shaft performance was not factored in here. It’s possible the Cleveland Miyazaki shaft suited the tester better. Shaft plays a huge part in the performance of how a club performs. Note that he uses a stiff shaft.
I trialed HB Launcher 7 iron with a seniors shaft and it worked well. I have a Driver swing speed of 94 mph and use regular flex shafts usually. I am not sure the shaft is all that important with these clubs. I hit three balls that went long and high and a small dispersion. Maybe in a few years when I hit 70 ( age , not score), I will look at these clubs again.
Kym Stock. great to know the lite shaft works for you. Happy golfing!
Tour edge bazooka for me.
I have a half set of the Bazookas and a set of HB Launchers. Both are fun to play , but I give the nod to the Cleveland clubs.
If you don't like the look it tends to effect your swing
Did I hear right that he normally hits 80? I thought these were game improvement irons lol.
I highly doubt he shoots around 80, low 90’s my guess.
@@TheRealEric__1 Low 80's is basically half the holes are parred and the other half boggied. He certainly looked good enough for that, especially if he has a strong short game. No need to be such a critic with no basis to go on.
Cleveland? Cobra? We sure were not talking about Fords?
The T-Rails definately perform better on turf.
This guy's sWing is so atrocious but it's effective and he hits it good
I enjoyed the video, but using further instead of farther bugged me.
It's acceptably interchangeable these days
Where's the dinger I'm looking for