Tilta Float | Review, Test and Balancing Tipps
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- My review of the Tilta Float. I tested this support system for a bit more than a week and I'll share my insights, opinion and some tipps with you.
#tiltafloat #review #gimbalsupportsystem
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:49 The Tilta Float: Parts and Pieces
3:00 GoPro Hero 8 Battery?
4:14 The Rest of the Kit
4:53 Build Quality
5:17 How I Balance the Float
6:18 Will It Float?
8:22 RED Komodo 6K
9:49 Blackmagic Pocket 4K
10:33 Sony A7S iii
10:58 Thoughts After 1 Week
11:29 What I Like
12:02 What I Don't Like
12:56 Should You Buy the Tilta Float?
13:12 PRO's
13:30 CON's
14:28 Conclusion
Link to the Tilta Float (including packing list):
tilta.com/shop/tilta-float-ha...
Link to buy it in Switzerland:
dedotec.ch/products/tilta-gss...
HUGE thanks to Nadia:
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Thanks to Reto Blackskypictures:
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Great review, thanks for your input and excellent footage!
Thank you so much, I had a blast using the Float😎
I have some questions. Is it possible to add the 3D Focus on the RED Komodo and have the Tilta power the RED with a Small HD monitor. I would really like to see that before buying it.Unfortunately it's taking some months before people I know who purchase the device to receive it so hopefully there will be a video review.
on your site you say feiyu ak4500 is compatible what about the ak4000 it's almost the same product !
Should have taken a page from Stedicam with the "belt to arm"
Intro shot was absolutely fantastic. Great work and brilliant timing!
Thanks man😎 it‘s fascinating what we can do these days with small crews.
Lovely intro - couldn't get my eyes off. And very honest review. Thanks so much.
Thank you so much, glad you enjoyed it:)
Great review and amazing footage! Appreciate you keeping it a buck because people always except miracles out of the equipment forgetting the operator plays a huge role.
Thank you so much, Mike! Totally agree with you. Seems like a problem with instant gratification imho.
Thanks! Never would have figured out how to get everything working without your video :)
You‘re welcome😎
Well done, very precise, good points and honest review.
Thanks so much! That‘s what I am aiming for😎
Great! Thank you for your time and dedication 🎥
Thanks for your kind words, means a lot😎
Amazing sharing for technique of recording. Thanks you
I subscribed specifically because of that intro. Killed that
Thanks man, appreciate it a lot😎
Excellent review and the opening shot was quite impressive!
Thank you so much! Well yeah, this one took quite a few attempts to nail😄
@@MichaelEgglerFilms, the best shots sometimes take a few takes!
Yes sir🤙🏻
Wow, wenn jedes Review auf RUclips so gut und so cineastisch gemacht wäre, dann bräuchte ich kein Netflix mehr. Mehr als beide Daumen hoch!
Vielen Dank Jascha für die netten Worte, das motiviert unglaublich😎🤙🏻
Finally someone using the Float right. Lovely golden our intro. Although it would have looked juicer with Pocket/Komodo
Thank you so much dude! Absolutely agree, the dynamic range of those cams is something else😎
I really enjoyed the intro!
Thank you😎
Quality content - subbed
Thank you kind sir!
Edit: you also saved a puppy.
Great shots and great review. So how about setting it up when you are on a shoot - how fast can you get it out of the box, assemble it and be ready to shoot?
Beautiful intro sequence. No puppy was harm during the viewing of the intro lol Great review by the way. I have built a "mini Trinity" by converting my study cam. But the load capacity of the arm (originally intended to use with my RED DSMC1) is way too overkill for my R5 load out. So I am in serious consideration of a Flow. But I just got a Hydra yesterday, so perhaps next month lol
Thanks man for the kind words and go ham on the Hydra😎
Wow that intro! I saved a puppy by subscribing :D
Thank you! Saving the world, one puppy at the time🐶
I super appreciate this video, my friend.
And I surely appreciate this comment my man😎
Great video I just purchased this! Thank you. Do I need this accessory? I do know you said I need Gopro 8 battery. So just checking what else I need. Thank you!
You got me during the intro
😁
Great review thums up
Thank you Martin!
I’ve had my Float for about a month now and I must say, this review was spot on. All of the tips and advice to get it balanced is exactly what I experienced in my first week. This is the review we’ve all been waiting for - especially the advice to less experienced film makers at the end. Well done 👍🏻
Thank you so much Tanner for the kind words. Feedback like yours is what keeps one going🙌🏻
And there is the crux of the problem with this. The armor man is easier to set up and more balanced over the shoulders and lower back. But its more expensive and out of the reach of amateurs. The float is more affordable but needs more professional handling and setup. So is it a fail? :)
Thanks for your input Jonathan. I think the Armor Man and the Float are two different categories of stabilisers. I own an Armor Man 2/ Mövi Pro Combo and this setup is mainly made to be able to fly heavy rigs for a longer time. The Float however offers more creative and smooth shooting options for more lightweight setups. At the end of the day both setups can be used professionally and imho, neither is a fail :)
@@MichaelEgglerFilms Thanks for the response. I was being slightly provocative using the word fail but in reality it is a clever product if you are prepared to invest time and effort. I just think its at a pricepoint where curious amateurs may purchase it and be frustrated. But with practice and effort I am sure most can make a success with this. They seem to have revised the contents in the most recent shipments to include 2 shoulder straps. One in the foam section and another in a pocket in the lid.
@@theJon5 you are right, the pricing is very competitive. And that‘s yet another thing I like about todays options on the market - better tech is available for more creators. Cinematic footage is no longer reserved for a small elite who can afford the tools to create it.
Great review! Curious, what diffusion filter & lens are you using for the intro? Love the long shot!
Thanks Sameer! I am using a Sony 35mm f1.8 with a step up ring to a 82mm PolarPro PMVND 2-5🤙🏻 I recently bought the PolarPro Basecamp system and I am quite impressed with it. Might do a review at some time😃
Awesome video ! I’ve been loving my float so far! But all you say is true! I added shoulder straps that I found on amazon and it helped a lot to redistrubute the weight! Anyway, I’ve been asking myself how did you jump into the car in the intro sequence ? Cheers from France! 🤘🏻
Merci beaucoup for the kind words! I actually just jumped in the back of a car (that‘s why there was a slight bump in the footage😉). And your idea with the shoulder straps is really clever👏🏻
Guys i am a moron, how dobi connect the cross connector for plates? I ont have a way to lock it to the v Mount plate from both ends
this intro was gold
Thanks:) was so nice to film as well, good vibes🤙🏻
👍👍
That guy deserves more subs
Thank you🙏🏻
Can’t wait to get mine in 8 years.
Fingers crossed you‘ll get it earlier dude😅🤞🏻
nice review and very useful to know all the intricacies of the tilta float .... which now it is clear that it is not a product for me, although a very appealing concept. Thanks for testing it for a week to tell us the limitations and uses. I cannot really see the target for this product, as you have to be kind of a professional to handle the system .... but at the same time, the real professionals will not use this probably and will have other types of cameras with a focus puller.
I think the Float has its place in both enthusiast and „professional“ shooting situations. Cameras are getting more compact all the time while image quality increases. And I don‘t see how this shouldn‘t apply to other parts of filmmaking gear as well :)
Tilta should have taken a page from Stedicam with the "belt to arm" mount the up/down Rosette gave out on me yesterday while playing with it in a low position. MAKE SURE ITS ALL TIGHT lol
great review, subscribed! (I am also a filmmaker in CH btw ;)
Thanks man😎 where are you from then? Basel, Zürich?🙌🏻
@@MichaelEgglerFilms I am from Budapest originally but living in Basel since almost 10 years
You got my like on the puppy comment
Like your style man intro was very good. I want to ask did you try komodo or bbmpc with 3d autofocus?
Thank you! No I haven‘t tried that yet, but should be decent from what I‘ve heard.
Question! The Tilta float stays even when it is horizontally, but once it is straight up it keeps pushing back into the horizontal way. Any idea?
Woooww amazing brother
Thanks man😎
@@MichaelEgglerFilms
Ok brother
Good review. I passed on it because of set up time required. I bought the Tilta Armor Man instead,
Yeah understandably so. I also own the Armor Man 2 and used it with my Mövi Pro in the past. Super smooth device🤙🏻
Tilta should pay you for this because your video is way more helpful than theirs. Thanks for this video!
Thank you so much. Well. I didn‘t get a single coin from them😅
@@MichaelEgglerFilms Anything new you've learned about the Tilta Float since then? Have you thought about making a follow up video after more practice?
The problem with these hybrid steadicam - gimbal set up is that you still need deep steadicam operator experience (1 or more year) so that your hip's movements don't transfer to the arm. Yes the up and down z-axis movement is reduced or eliminated but now you are transferring hip movements into the arm. This is perfect for an experienced steadicam operator but not a novice.
How is that a problem? Just practice? Don't gatekeep.
Danke för all die insights, gsed vellversprächend us. Hesch ehn ahaltsponkt, wie s system met anderne gimbal system fonktioniert (zhiyun crane 3s pro, Ronin 2, Movi Pro usw.)?
Gern gscheh! Grundsätzlich chasch jedes „Pistol-Grip“ Gimbal, wo en Quarter Inch Schruubmount unde hett, mitem Float bruuche. S ganze System isch für max. 10 kg baut. Fürs Mövi Pro/Ronin 2 gits vo Tilta de Armor Man, woni scho sit es paar Joor bruche (ich han V2, aber V3 isch dusse und namal besser).
dedotec.ch/products/tilta-arm-t03
Am I right in thinking the transition from you walking to sitting in the back of a car was at 0:40? It took me like a DOZEN rewatches to figure it out. It was almost COMPLETELY seamless that it just completely flew over my head the first few times before I started thinking about the speed of the bike and therefore the speed of the shot LOL.
Yes that‘s about there🙌
Took a few times to nail it but taking out those bumps is probably one of the USPs of the Float😎
I really believe the Float is actually meant for some who has bad upper back pain, but it is like i heard before it really won’t matter much.
How do you find it helps in regards to the weight distribution of heavier setups?
I use the bmpcc6k pro on the rs2 and although it's incredible, i find after a few hours of shooting that my back is in bits.
Ideally this would help distribute the weight a little better.
I find that it moves the weight from the upper part of your back to the lower/core. And that is generally more comfortable. It‘s not perfect but definitely beats running around with an RS2 „handheld“. With the Float, it‘s more a question of exercise where as without, it‘s a question of pain tolerance😅
Nice review, earned a sub. Gruess us Bärn ;)
Thanks😎 Gruess usem Solothurnische😉
Buddy, I followed all your long-ass text instructions during the intro and subscribed.
Thank you my man, you‘re the chosen one😎
Nice review. Thank you. Can you please advise, is this a good product to you if a person is a wedding videographer, that requires to get in and out of a car and go to different locations in a day. After it gets balanced can a person put on a vest and start using it quickly, OR do you need to rebalance it every time? I personally need something for Z axis, walking and most importantly I want to remove the weight of the camera from my hands. What do you advice on this?
Well if you keep the vest on and leave the post as is (and maybe put it in the trunk of the car) this will work like a charm. But as soon as you change something on the setup, you will need to rebalance all over.
can the gopro battery be charged in the controller?
hello, love your vid. thinking about getting this tool. However, when I saw on 10min:33sec hero shot. i notice a micro jitter when you rotrate around subject. Is this result of RSC2 dead band setting or someting else? I have similar issue with Ronin-s as well, and no matter how much I tune, still happen. Some advise will be nice. thanx.
Thank you! Well this was shot on a Ninebot with the RS2 and the Float after we tested the whole setup for 15 minutes or so. I think it has nothing to do with the Float. This is rather not too smooth from the operator side and has a lot to do with the dead band settings.
Many thanks for the very good Video. I learnded a lot from you 🙂. I got the Float too but I struggle with it. I have always small wobbles from walking in it. No matter what i do. Walk slow... it wobbles slightly....walk fast....it wobbles too. Just slightly but there are some small wobbles to see. I think that i blanced it right. Put the Floatarms horizontly. Do you guide the Post or the Arms with force to right direction/framing? Did you have some issues like me or come it right out of the box? Many Thanks
Hi! Thanks for your comment and the kind words. I think almost all the magic happens in balancing. I balanced it in a way that I have to use minimal force for any adjustments. The other key is to walk carefully and steady and have good control over your hip movement. Maybe mount it slightly higher/lower in your case? Also keep in mind that this takes practice. I‘ve used glidecams/gimbals for years and probably have a decent „feeling“ for this type of gear. Good luck my man😎
What was the lens you were on for the intro sequence? Super awesome stuff
Thanks😎 That is a Sony FE 35mm f1.8.
How do you have your focus motor mounted? It looks like the bracket is at an angle. is how are both capscrews in use?
I mounted it like that for balancing reasons. Normally I wouldn‘t mount it like that, but for this setup, I had to:)
Huh, I can't find a "wirelss tilta thumb controller for RS2" but I am able to find the "Tilta RS2 remote control handle". Ironically I just ordered a dead-on-arrival RS2 remote control handle, but that smaller "wireless thumb controller" was something I was looking for. Why can't I find it? What's the exact part number?
Amazing mini movie
Thank you so much!
Great review! Did you try to mount external monitor 5" like Ninja V or smallHD? If so how it works?
Is it possible to operate Tilta float and pull focus by wireless Nucleus-m or Nucleus-nano? (all by yourself)
Thank you Karol! I only used my smartphone in this scenario because it worked so well with the cams, but the mounting option on the float allows monitors like the Ninja V. You can of course use the Nucleus wireless focus units from Tilta. There is a switch on the thumb control where you can change between DJI focus and Tilta. However you have to be quite the multitasker to be able to do everything at once. To be honest - I am currently not fast/experienced enough for all of this😅
@@MichaelEgglerFilms Thank you for replay! I think about this setup in the future (Komodo+float+nucleus) so it's good to know that I can mount all that stuff. The other idea is gimbal + easyrig but I need to do some more research, rent eq, test it in real life scenerio and so on.
Extra question: Can you mount transmiter on the float? (for focus puller)
I think the main difference between a setup like the Easyrig and the Tilta Float is that the Easyrig does better at distributing weight but the Float will stabilize your footsteps much better. I think you can mount a transmitter on the DJI RS2 (Raveneye or others) and then let a focus puller do his/her thing. General rule of thumb: whatever the RS2 can handle will most likely work with the Float🤙🏻
@@MichaelEgglerFilms great! Thank you for your time and all informations!
👏👏
Thanks man😎
Is there anything to look out for when using V-mount as they are generally run at a voltage of 14.4V but the RS2 Battery is at 15.4 V? So I don't fry my Batteries?
I think with standard 14.8V v-mounts you‘re good to go. At least in my experience, the RS2 was working just fine and I‘ve used the setup for 20+ hours while I tested the Float.
thanks
What lens did you shoot this review on? The lens with the red flares...
The talking head sequence was shot on a Sigma 20mm f1.4 DG HSM Art. The intro sequence was shot on a Sony FE 35mm f1.8. For the RED I used the Sigma 18-35mm f 1.8 DC HSM Art with the EF mount (with an adapter).
Opps! Forgot to add this. Again do I need it?
ZITAY 2Pin Male to 2Pin RS2 & 4 D-tap Female Splitter Hub Comtabible for DJI RS2 Stabilizer Tilta Float Professional Power Cable System
With all the drawbacks being on the vest, is the tilta post compatible with other harness systems like the tiffen zephyr?
I actually don’t know but in theory if you have a fitting mount I could imagine this might work quite well🧐
www.came-tv.com/products/came-tv-1-5-6kg-load-pro-camera-video-adjustable-stabilizer-vest-dual-arm
This says it’s compatible with the Tilta Float in the description although I haven’t personally tried it yet.
@@jacobkelso9150 Interesting product, thanks Jacob. However I probably wouldn't trust this setup to hold the Tilta Float post with an RS2 and a decent camera setup, because of the payload capacity of "only" 6kg on the spring arm. I generally made the experience that these support systems work best if they have a bit of headroom and don't run on full payload. But then again - I am happy to be proven wrong :)
love from india bro just make this type of videos
Thanks man!
Is it possible to use the Tilta support arm with an RS2 without the pole? I really just want support because handholding the RS2 is too heavy.
Not sure tbh. The system is kind of built around the pole. You can shorten it though. Tilta offer other solutions like a ring that you could then us with sth. like an Armor Man or an Easyrig etc.
@@MichaelEgglerFilms All I need is a belt and a support arm. It is a pity that Tilta don't offer these parts with a 1/4"-20-to-baby-pin-adapter as a simpler cheaper solution.
what's the intro shot on the Sony A7SIII?
Yes, the intro was shot on the Sony A7S3.
So if one doesn't have the Raven Eye, how hard would it be to focus and track, tilt and pan at the same time with the Float?
Well you need some sort of wireless focus pulling system and most likely also videotransmition, unless you are incredibly talented at eyeballing things😅 It‘s doable for sure but takes a lot of practice. I personally rely on a focus puller or autofocus with these kinds of setups. What would be your rig?
@@MichaelEgglerFilms well, the goal is to get my hands on a FX6 or Komodo and the Float combined with the RS2 gimbal. I still wonder if applying a matte box on the lens using this setup isn’t too front heavy and if it’s something that you would practice or just rely on the internal ND of a FX6 for instance.
I just today received the Polarpro Basecamp Mattebox. Might review it in some form or way. This seems like a super lightweight solution for a mattebox. If I had to choose between FX6 or Komodo, I‘d go Sony every day of the week. But that of course depends on your line of work.
A cinematographer friend made his own steady cam from scratch. It is the best I've seen
Does the balancing post come with it?
No that‘s a light stand. But if I am not mistaken, you get the pin in the new batch which really helps with balancing.
Why you need a battery?
fine review! one question: you use 2 vmount accus - did you buy a addition mount, or is it out of the box? i‘m still waiting for my ordered one…
Thanks Philipp😎The V-Mount actually came with the set.
Does it come with those 2 big batteries?
Unfortunately not. I‘d recommend 2x FX Lion Nano 2😎
Hello, friends, while watching your video, in the part, blackmagic pocket 4K, I noticed that you have connected the RavenEye with an external SSD card.
Can you tell me, if it is the SSD card that is recording or an internal XSD card or Cfast 2 card.
If it's the Samsung external SSD card with the RavenEye running, can you tell me how you got it plugged in at the same time as the RavenEye on the pocket 4K.
I'm looking for how to do it and I haven't found it yet.
Thank you in advance for your answer.
The Raveneye is connected via HDMI to the Pocket 4K and the USB C port is used for the SSD. This means you‘ll have image transmission and Active Track but no camera control through the app. I think this is a decent compromise.
Thank you for your answer, well there is no choice, we will go towards this configuration, with this compromise.
Thank you.
I want to pick one up but can you actually order them rn? It just says "coming soon" or back ordered" for me
You can order them but you‘ll need a bit of patience rn. Everyone is waiting😅
@@MichaelEgglerFilms lol thx, sounds good. Great review, very helpful!
what camera is this shot on?
Mostly Sony A7SIII but also some Red Komodo and BMPC 4k. I mentioned in the video what was shot with what cam🤙🏻
What bike is that ? Looks amazing
That is Nadia‘s very own Harley Davidson 48 Sportster😎
how can I buy from India
could this work with a different gimbal, such as the Zhiyun Crane 2?
Yes you can (with the proper mount) use the Float with a Zhiyun Crane from what I understood.
@@MichaelEgglerFilms like u know of a special mount or you gotta 3dprint it? thanks
@@donniedonito Tilta says that: „the Float is compatible with any gimbal that can mount via 1/4“-20 threads and can be powered by a 2 Pin Lemo.“ So I believe that the Zhiyun Crane 2 has a mount like that on the bottom, right? It‘s basically a „standard“ tripod mount thread.
I see everyone using phones as monitors with this. Are you able to mount a 7-inch monitor without issues? I assume a 5-inch one will work.
Haven‘t tried a 7-inch but a 5-inch should work well.
Do you still use the float ??? Can’t tell from your new videos
Recently used it on an ad for FXLion😎
ruclips.net/video/QquNboWA5qw/видео.html
Hello, I watched your video on the Tilta float and I saw that at the scale everything is ok.
I also did the scale on the horizontal and the dial is in the middle.
On the other hand, when I turn to the right or to the left, the return is very fast towards the center with a spring effect.
can you tell me if you ran into this problem too.
Small precision when I put the plate vertically does not stay straight.
I have a hard time balancing the pan.
My main problem is the duration from left to right in 1-2 seconds in a fluid way.
On the other hand, the screen is in the center placed upwards. But no smooth 1-2 second feedback.
Too fast with a spring effect.
Can you give us a little detailed tutorial just on the balance on the tripod with the balance from left to right, if you can if you have a moment devoted to us.
This concerns part 5:17 of your video (How I Balance the Float )
Thank you in advance for your answer.
Hi there
Sorry to hear you having troubles with the balancing. I currently don‘t have the capacity to make another in-depth tutorial about it unfortunately. RUclips is just a hobby for me currently. However:
1) make sure that the Float display stays in the middle first by adjusting the lower rails (where you have your V-mount batteries)
2) and then adjust the 1-2 seconds drop only using the top rail. That‘s the way I figured works best for me since you don‘t fiddle around with the total balance of the Float that way but only change the „drop-time“.
Hope that helps, cheers!
Thank you Michael, thank you for your answer I will try with top rail although it is already full, but I will review it all.
Thank you very much and good luck.
Hello Michael, following your experience, I moved the upper part of the nato rail and it's already better, I have 1-2 seconds on the left center and right center return.
Thank you for sharing your experience, good luck.
@@creativemotion5 Hi there. Sounds great, glad I could help😎 the Tilta is one of these tools that just needs a bit of time and most likely it will click for you eventually.
Cheers,
Michael
OK, thanks 🤝
I just got my float this video is spot on- can I ask you what did you use to follow your hot friend? Was it a car or your Segway?
Thanks and enjoy🤙🏻 That was a car.
What bike is that?
That is a Harley Davidson 48 Sportster😎
Hey brother did you use phone as a monitor ?
Yes, I did. Both for the A7S3 (Imaging Edge & RavenEye) and the RED Control App. They all work really well, can recommend at least with iOs😎
@@MichaelEgglerFilms please help me out sir i use a74 rs2 pro combo and have iphone 13
@@filmlegends7906 apps.apple.com/ch/app/imaging-edge-mobile/id489191124?l=en
There you go. Connect with Wifi and turn off Bluetooth for better performance.
so do you still have micro jitters?
I am confident to say that with quite a few days of exercise, you‘ll eventually get to the point where you can operate this system without micro jitters. It all depends on how well you‘ve balanced the Float and gimbal, your body movement and your general experience as a a steadicam/gimbal operator.
@@MichaelEgglerFilms ahhh, I just got mine in last week and I was going to order the rs2 next week cuz I have the original. But guess who’s wireless controller wasn’t in the box😂
@@MrAlwaysOnTen dang man I feel you😂 good luck with that but grats on finally getting one🤙🏻
where did you find the device placed the weight on the legs or on back ?
That depends on your setup but generally, you‘ll feel the weight in the lower part of your back. I‘d recommend doing some core exercise if you want to shoot longer and more often with the Float.
@@MichaelEgglerFilms I tried it Micheal and it was no good for my back had to return it as it was far to uncomfortable to have on for any length of time but then I have a bad back to start with
@@gges1605 sorry to hear that man! All the best with your back💪🏻
@@MichaelEgglerFilms Be very careful with the rosette that holds the arm to the belt those little screws can come loose and result is it won't hold up your gear as the teeth don't catch properly I was really lucky and caught my camera but I don't trust it.
What you mean by subscribe to us?
That has to be taken with a 😉…with us I meant myself and the Tilta Float.
Subscribe? Why not! Nice video!
wenn man schwarze Geräte zeigen will kann man sie doch auch mit heller Kleidung und vor hellem Hintergrund, (der ja überall im Bild zu sehen ist) filmen. So sehe ich nur die Hälfte.
Sorry, die weissen Shirts waren an dem Tag in der Wäsche😉
you forgot to mention, no instructions included and no batteries.
The only use I can imagine is student films
What an intro 😧
It‘s all about the intro😄