Tilta Float Unboxing First Build Balance & Test
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2021
- My Tilta Float finally arrived today. In this video I show my first hand experience opening the box, putting the float together, balancing it, and taking it out for a few quick test shots.
I have zero experience with steady cam so this was not an easy task. Balancing the float itself was not terrible but getting the spring arm to a useable position was very very difficult. Like I mention in the video I’m sure if you are familiar with balancing a steady cam system this will be much easier for you, and I’m hoping that over time I can get it figured out.
If you have any tips or clarifications please feel free to leave a comment, I am here to grow and get better at this so constructive criticism would be great.
This is not a tutorial, this is not a review, this is just a video showing what someone with zero experience can expect when receiving their Float. 
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hey, steadicam op here, 24:30 you got it pretty much correct! the problem is you are not using your body to micro-counter-balance it, just expecting it to stay up straight without your body input. Use your hips and tilt them up and down just millimetres opposite of the direction where arm is falling. obviously every time you walk with it the belt is gonna be sliding on your hips, so your body needs to be counter balancing the arm constantly. It takes some time to get the hand of it, good luck!
You are, an absolute legend. Thank you so much for some clarification, that is exactly what we need here!
i use the wd70 to make it more smooth
@@zura3001 wd70?
make a video about this please. this is insane that tilta has non what so ever...
@@MrBazsi888 you gonna ruin the berings lol don't do that
You know when you watching other people's video and they address all the issues you been yelling about on the Tilta page's 🤣🤣 ❤️❤️❤️❤️ love it bro thank you.
Haha I been paying attention in the forum! Thanks man
This was the best haha so grateful for this info and seeing it put together so honestly.
waiting for mine .. love your video so much keep doing with no cuts raw tutorial is the best . much love
That's exactly what I wanted to do, when I try to watch the other videos they make it look so easy and move so quickly. Glad you enjoyed man thank you. Please feel free to come back when you get yours if you learn anything that can help us all!
@@DanaWillaxVideos i actually learned so much from you thank you for doing this , and after i watched your video i received email from tilta mine just got shipped
Dude I just spent the last 4 hours in my garage feeling like a total idiot trying to wrangle that arm into cooperating with me. I'm so happy to see someone else felt the exact same way. I still can't figure out why it is so uncomfortable, the whole point was to be able to shoot all day, but man it was killing my back just shooting with it for 20 minutes after getting it balanced.
I got it a few weeks ago, filmed 2 weddings...orded the shoulder straps...now it feels great :-)
Thank you for your honesty
bro seeing your homies come in while it was calibrating was so awesome they looked so proud of you 12:40
The part you said to skip was legit the part I know I’m going to need. Great video!
Nice to see a REAL first-time-hands-on video. This is the real world and it is nice to know this is a piece of kit that will take TIME to learn to set up and use. Critical to practice this until one can actually deploy this in real time on a set ... and not look like an idiot! This is why we always see these (inn professional setting all balanced and ready to go; you'd never want to F*&^% with this on site! Thanks Dana. Best wishes!
Thank you so much for posting this! I got my Float about a week ago. The vest and the arm has also been the hardest part for me. I got everything else balanced easily but not that. I'm also no steadiecam operator. I have a friend coming over this evening to try to help me crack it. If you happen to live in the LA area I would love to swap information with you.
Wow we are so in the same boat. I actually am in the LA area. Can your shoot me a DM on IG? My handle is @kingdomofdana
@@DanaWillaxVideos DM Sent!
Please post your review on it. It would be helpful!
@@bonydeepak4879 I’m hoping to once I get it balanced. Chances are I want be able to since my schedule is all over the place. I actually have friend over right now helping me figure it out. However we are only going to give it a bit more time since we both are on separate major productions with crazy hours
Rather than just using the belt, you should also use the shoulder and back supports. This then allows you to use your shoulder tilt to micro balance the left to right push of the arm. Also, when operating, don't grab the pole itself, just use 2 fingers to gently guide the rotation of the pole and use your other hand to operate the arms from the hook. Grabbing the pole , although it makes you feel like you're sucuring the safety of your rig, does not assit you in any way - it only adds to reduce the dampening effect of the float itself whilst walking/running. Good luck and practice lots - don't give up because eventually you'll master it and find that it is a superb tool,
This video is about to blow up. Don’t own one but thanking the tube Gods for sending this into my feed and just killed 30 minutes watching in real-time! Sub’d
Hahaha legendary, I literally just made what I wish existed before I bought mine, thanks for the sub
I was about to pull the trigger on one. This video makes me not want one. Maybe I'll wait for the Float II to come out and hopefully they fix all the first gen bugs fixed lol
I want to see a steadicam operator show us how to use this. Another reason I guess why steadicam operators get paid especially strapped with such as an Arri Trinity.
Absolutely
Super helpful video. Got mine a week ago and my brain hurt just trying to assemble it. The Tilta video was NO help whatsoever. I'm also 95% certain that some parts might have been missing from mine because some of the stuff in the Tilta video wasn't in my complete kit. I'm fairly certain I could eventually learn to use it, but it's been such a horror show trying to set up in the quiet of my office that I feel like I would never take the time to use it on set. I'm positive it would work for the right operator. But I don't think I'm that guy, so sending mine back. Wish I'd watched this BEFORE placing my order.
That is just….exaaaaactly how I feel. It will work for some people but not for me haha
wow...all that and it STILL cant stop the up and down bobbing.....glad i saw this video it saved me from buying this piece of junk lol thanks man
Great video. I had doubts and you’ve proven them. Glad I didn’t he’d out 1500 bucks immediately and hope you can conquer this machine
Yea I sent that thing back hahahahaha. I didn't really end up getting great footage out of it and even if I did it HURT SO BAD to wear no matter how many different ways I tried it.
Ugh, mine arrived today and it's missing the nato cross rail to fix the battery plate to the post.. Great quality control from them.
Same thing for me - so ridiculous. What did you do? Did Tilta send you one?
@@jjsereday well, first I built one from a few NATO rails and cheese plates. Worked pretty well. Then I read the same problem from another commenter on RUclips and someone had replied they feared the same but the piece was in fact underneath another part in the case. I forget where but i checked and it was indeed in there but buried/embedded/hidden. So my apologies to the Tilta quality control team!
Ah yea i have the nato cross rail but the additional nato clamp that he said came in a bag in this video - mine didn’t come with that additional nato clamp. 😒
I like your Style, Amazing
Howdy. Just got my FLOAT today and I really like it... however, I do miss the full vest of previous steadicams I've owned. Is there a full vest available from TILTA or something similar from another vendor?
This will be me if i get it, this thing doesn't look easy to use,
Thanks for a a fair unboxing, this is how everyone would use it at the first time
Dana, Thank you for this! Your video is very helpful - In many ways! I'm waiting for mine to arrive, and just like you, I want to love it. But this a dose of reality. A friend of mine is using a Zhiyun crane with a Redking stabilizer and he's been pretty happy with it. But I thought this was going to crush it. But now I can see this journey is far from over. I had been using the Feiyutech AK4500 for the last year, but it was awkward and I spent months trying to mount it on a steadycam system, with mixed results. The RS2 was everything I was hoping for. I often use it with a 1foot carbon fiber rod between the tripod feet and the gimbal itself, just to have more to hold onto and raise the camera up when I need to. I was hoping the float was going to make it the complete package. sigh. Maybe Tilta will take note and improve the situation. Looking forward to seeing your progress.
Man I was going to make a separate "update" video of me just walking into a UPS and dropping that thing off but I bailed on the idea lol. It took me a while and I eventually got it balanced better, the float itself was super easy to balance even the first time, but the spring arm was where I was having the real problems. After reading some comments about using your body to counter the movements I was able to get it to a usable spot, but even with 3 days practice I found myself not liking the footage. On top of that, even if I did LOVE the footage I still would have returned it, the whole reason for buying it was to help ease my lower back and piriformis muscles in my hips, and that belt was making it exponentially worse in such a short period of time. I sent it back on Tuesday and I haven't heard anything from them sense, not really happy about that since I only like an hour away from their warehouse.
Wow. I had hopes that you might have cracked the code and turned into that Chinese ninja guy that convinced me to but this in the first place. Sigh.
And I’m still waiting for it to arrive!
I feel like one of the runners behind Forrest Gump. “Now what are we gonna do?...”
I guess I’ll try the plate that Tilta sells that - I think! - allows you to mount it onto a typical steady cam
Dana, I’ve been researching this while I’m STILL waiting for my float to arrive.
I was able to become a member of the Tilta DJI ecosystem users group.
I shared my concerns with a guy named vaho mat who has a few video posts of him successfully working with the float. I corresponded with him and he commented that your belt adjustments where not correct. Again I’m just passing this info along; I do not yet have first hand experience!
I’ll find a link to his videos...
I also have these... comments from Nick at Tilta; the moderator of the group:
“Hey Tom! You will need to adjust the rotation of the back part of the arm in order to adjust where the arm sits! More info can be found here. Also keep in mind that the Float is designed to be operated while keeping a hand on the bar that connects to the post, meaning you will be able to control exactly where the post sits in relation to your body by physically moving it with one hand. The idea is to adjust the balance so you don't have to fight it to keep it where you want it, but you will not be able to operate the system with no hands.”
facebook.com/groups/dji.ecosystem/permalink/1426316174383758/
facebook.com/groups/dji.ecosystem/permalink/1428332597515449/
It appears you’ll need to be an approved member of this group to see the videos. But I’m guessing you’ll be able to since you’ve purchased the float
Hi Dana and thanks for the very honest video about the process. I'm curious after 2 years, do you have any updates? Have you abandoned it completely?
This has to be the most helpful honest product review video i ever saw ... cancelling my order cause the only reason i ordered it was the comfort ... i could just install the gimbal on a steadicam n take that stress off
Just got mine today and I am experiencing the same issues. I managed to get the whole thing balanced quite well. Watched all of the Junior Lucano videos on YT on how to balance the Arri Trinity so that I would understand the concept. You / me should get better with practices... lots of it. Donno if it is worth it for what I do? Hmm...
Absolutely in the same boat, I am not giving up yet, but the whole point was to take stress of my back and this was infinitely worse
Do you have to change the mode on the ronin in order for it to work with the tilta?
do you suggest buying go pro batteries when you order this
I bought a similar product from Glide Gear. Not once did I get it to "float" properly. Sent it back this morning.
I hope I can get passed this point but we'll see, if not, it's going back
can the rsc2 be used with this? i want to buy it tomorow
Thanks for this man! This reminds me of the same problems I had with the Steadimate-S I tried last year. It killed my back and the whole rig was unwieldy. I didn’t bother trying to get better with it because of a separate issue, but it does seem like something I’ll have to practice with when I receive the Float. But the issues you’re facing don’t seem like a sign that the rig is faulty, just requires practice and technique.
Hope you have luck mean! I sent mine back after a week of using it, it hurts back hips and back too much
Dropping a comment for support and to shoutout CDub and Dawsys contributions 🤙
OMG thank youuuuuuu!!!!!
I'm trying man! Haha You're welcome, I don't have a clue what I am doing but maybe someone can learn from my mistakes
@@DanaWillaxVideos oh dude I’m so thankful for that. This release has been an absolute shit sandwich and I’m certainly thankful for any guides and tips I can get!
@@claytonmedic Hahahaha I feel that so much. Please come back and comment more if you learn anything you think is helpful or pleeeease send me a DM on IG @kingdomofdana
great video, been wanting to order it but with the price increase and troubles I think ill hold off for a while
Yea I sent mine back, I'd wait for a version 2.0 or something
Do you have to buy your own v mount batteries?
Would you please advise me where to get the belt extension? As my waist is wider than the belt size
The big batteries at the bottom where included with the Float ? Thanks. Is there any smaller battery option ?
No you have to buy your own, there are multiple battery options, you can even use the RS2 battery
@@DanaWillaxVideos you should try RS2 battery... lighter setup always helps for newbies... please make a new video about the progress.
Hey bro what is that part that you used 5:37. I can't seem to find it and it didn't come with the float I got.
Hey Dana! Great video! I was wondering if you know a good place online to find those big batteries on the bottom of the float! I’m running it with a C300 Mk3 ! :)
Hey man, I just got them on amazon VMount batteries
@@DanaWillaxVideos oh okay! Thanks brother
Thanks for the upload. Still have not received mine. and there's no sign that it's even left China. Can I ask long it took from preorder to delivery? Are you on the west coast? Getting very close to cancelling and attempting to DIY something.
Yea I only live like an hour from their warehouse, I ordered in late late feb maybe early march
27:23 I just got mine with just the Adapter for my Handheld Setup. I also ordered for the same reason and even with the shoulder strap it doesn't feel very comfortable. I don't know what to do with it now. Testing it some more but idk if I gonna really like it one day. It really hurts my back, and I bought it to save my back. Doesn't make sense.
I just reference your video on the Tilta users fb page in a post.... its hard to tighten the roll axis of the arm. It snaps open like yours does at 25:20 and you hear the rosette grinding
Yea that thing is brutal!
I purchased a Ronin MX in early February, when I heard about the Tilta Float a month later I instantly regretted buying the MX & not the RS2! The footage at the end of this video is terrible, I had faith in the Float, I guess ill get the RS2 for my BMPCC 6K & call it a day haha.
It's nice to Adress the d-tap issue to make sure to get it right but it would be nice to edit the video in a way that this info comes before assembling everything now the viewer in worst case has to reassemble everything like you had to
What kind of a GoPro battery does it take?
If you figure it out you should make another video! I’m thinking about getting one, but now I’m it so sure....
I returned it
@@DanaWillaxVideos well then looks like I’m not getting one.. It looks overly complicated to operate
any update on the experience? Still waiting for mine to arrive and like you I'm a complete novice when it comes to steadycams
Man I was going to make a separate "update" video of me just walking into a UPS and dropping that thing off but I bailed on the idea lol. It took me a while and I eventually got it balanced better, the float itself was super easy to balance even the first time, but the spring arm was where I was having the real problems. After reading some comments about using your body to counter the movements I was able to get it to a usable spot, but even with 3 days practice I found myself not liking the footage. On top of that, even if I did LOVE the footage I still would have returned it, the whole reason for buying it was to help ease my lower back and piriformis muscles in my hips, and that belt was making it exponentially worse in such a short period of time. I sent it back on Tuesday and I haven't heard anything from them sense, not really happy about that since I only like an hour away from their warehouse.
@@DanaWillaxVideos wow it's really that bad? I've been thinking of canceling my order while I can still get my money back easily, what's the use of this product if it's not comfortable and doesn't help your back at all...
I have lower back problems as well, don't need a badly designed product to make it worse.
Have you found anything else that could replace this instead?
Hi Dana, thank you for your invaluable input on your experience with TilTA. It is a bit frustrating to talk about this manufacturer as there is no news at least in Europe about the Float SYStem delivery. It is nice to see that the production continues. Out of curiosity, how long did it take for the team to arrive? I've been waiting for mine for more than two months with a paid reservation. Thank you again
I placed my order in late feb and it showed up the day I posted this video!
진짜 고생하네요
I was considering buying it after seeing BestBoy’s video but after seeing your experience I do not think it is ready for prime time in this present iteration! Thank you for saving me money, frustration and time!🙏🏾
Are those big batteries are included on the product??
Curious for the follow up video!
You're as curious as me haha
Yewww!!
Can you pull off Javelin mode with this?
Bro did u figure out everything about this setup? R u still liking it and was able to balance ? Really looking forward for a review video so I can decide .
Oh sorry bro I actually returned it, I couldn’t ever get the shots to look good and even the dudes that are in love with their float’s shots aren’t what I am looking for. Even if I could get it to work right, the pain it caused my hips and lower back was not worth even the smoothest shot in the world
@@DanaWillaxVideos thanks for the info bro appreciate it . I guess I’ll get the dual grip then I hope that’s worth it
Yea you could get that an a one wheel for the same price as the float haha
Yes.
I watched this vide just to pack it back into the case lol
I want the float, but 100% holding off until this stuff is addressed. I've had issues with Tilta in the past with returns. I really want to like them, they seem to have cool products but this stuff and my return experience with them makes me think again about buying. With my return story, I learned to not buy direct from them. I will only buy their products from B&H who has an amazing sales team.
Hello, did you give up your Tilta float?
After seeing your video, I doubted I would buy one.
And after watching another video, I bought one and it works fine and I don't have back pain now.
However, I spent a lot of time figuring out my setup, and of course I also have a back pain at the start because the Float Tilta was very misconfigured.
After finding the right setup, all went well. And in the end the back pain was no longer relevant.
I come back to my question: Did you give up the Tilta float?
Thank you in advance for your answer.
After seeing your great video today, I canceled my order. Thanks
for now ill just stick to my Rs2 mounted to my gimbal ring and continue letting my easy rig do the heavy lifting
I cancel my order just now … your video show me the limit of this tools ! Waiting the next generation 😁 thanks for your test
that was fun 😄 I think all the time, how is it when you're on set and have to shoot. And that thing takes too much time to build. OMG
this rig seems like it would be great with an actual steadicam arm and vest. the rosette mount for the arm probably isn't strong enough to hold the torgue created from the arm. disappointing as this rig has a lot of potential
I cancelled my order thank you, you saved me!
Maybe it's working for some people but it didn't work for me
@@DanaWillaxVideos I'm going for ready rig easy and to the point no hassle
Good video. I struggle with the same problem and the footage is not good. Very disappointed with this one...
Wich is Price of the product 🔥 sir
I believe it is like $1400
Dawww, you make me cancel my order!
I diy one with gear from digital foto! Mine seems to have less problems, but more cables out! I have a vid of me using it with footage to compare!
What scares me is that the footage you shot is actually worse than what you would get with only the rs2.
Hope you get to get used to it.
Way worse, I sent it back
I probably would of taken a few naps before I threw it across the room lol
I made the same setup a long long time ago and I did not like it. I shoot weddings and I did not see myself wearing this. I see a number of issues in ur set up and id like to comment. First, you had a veryl lite set up. Due to this, the pole wasnt long enough to clear ur body. It should be almost ur height to have clearance. Also it was so light that the spring tension from the arms was too strong. having a heavier camera will loosen up the springs. 2nd, you are using a tri mount and not a sled . The feet for your trimount was hitting you. Third, you had a belt and not a brace. It led to a very unstable mount w/c did not stabilize the rig. the whole brace/vest/stabilizer look is all asthetics in my opinion. Devin graham only had the glidecam and he did not use a vest rig. Thanks for the honest video. Sorry it did not work for u.
The best definitely is not aesthetics, I have a steadicam pilot, and I could not hold that sled with one hand if I tried. It weighs around 25lb total. That’s a lot of wrist strain when trying to finess a shot
man I got scared at 25:08 😅
Bro you're tellin me hahaha
Hy, 16:20 wrong balance you must do "drop test" it must be 2-3 seconds. i mean the post must down from horizontal position to vertical about 2-3 seconds. Good luck
The Steadicam Steadimate version still looked like shit even with a professional steadicam operator (see their videos). I tried to poorman's version using the glidecam and flycam vest with Zhyun Weebil Lab. I was not impressed with this set up in removing the up-down motion at all. Yes it does allow for specialized shot sticking through the car or rotating from bottom to top but that was not worth it for me.
Same dude, I sent it back
The Float is amazing. It’s ok to not be good at something right away. A lot of these comments are blaming the gear which is a bad habit to fall into and an inaccurate one here.
Definitely got to do with the weight of the batteries
6:56 That's what she said.
わかりやすい。この商品が全然使えないってことが。。
Jealous a little. Just practice and you will get better. Stradicams are all about time put in. Like driving a car. Footage was quite smooth especially for a first time. Just soften up your footsteps a little
I see a lot of back and forth movement small unnatural moments within the footage. Thanks for the info and your Video was great but not a fan of the stabilization look of the footage. Just me
I am very unhappy with the footage as well, I am really hoping it takes some practice to get better shots, I will definitely be making more vids with the progress
@@DanaWillaxVideos ok great thanks for the video and the info
I would advise you to take a 2 day weekend Steadicam Workshop at least ..... to learn the basics of operating, ainnd also watch Ted Churchill's original dvd workshop.... ruclips.net/video/TyE5CinpOWM/видео.html
Thanks for the video it was very helpful, I'm still debating and researching before I buy it! it looks like a very nice Rig... I know it was a year ago and I hope you got very good at it; I took the 5 day Pennsylvania workshop a few years ago and still watch those workshops on video..... even after I sold my big steadicam Archer.... Good Luck Buddy!
Lol
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Too much work and time to set up, am good not getting one
Yea I sent it back haha
Im kind of baffled by this video and by some of the responses. Does anyone seriously believe that getting the Tilta Float out of the box on its first outing will make you into Garret Brown, Larry McConkey or the late, great Ted Churchill?? Do we live in such an Insta-generation, that people think that film gear should be 'out of the box' perfect, and that no real grit and determination should be used to figure stuff out?? Getting to know your Tilta Float will take weeks. Weeks of figuring stuff out. Weeks of practice. Weeks of determining what works for you. Weeks of jury-rigging component parts to suit you. Head scratching. Swearing. Sweating. Trying. Trying again. It reminds me of that time i spent $100K on a Arri Alexa and a set of Arri Primes, and then got upset that after two days my footage wasn't looking like Roger Deakins............so i sent it all back....useless bit of kit!!! Seriously guys, what the hell is wrong with you lot???? Ohhhh and as the Tilta Float turns your DJI Ronin RS2 into a Steadicam or an Arri Trinity, best you get the Steadicam bible, Jerry Holway and Lurie Hayball's brilliant book on all things Steadicam. Have some guts and you will get all the glory. Give up five minutes in and you'll get nowhere in life
I mean there’s definitely no reason to be so aggressive but I totally agree with you besides all the negativity. This video was clearly not meant to be a review on the product, it was clearly stated that this is a video of someone opening the box for the first time and attempting to use it so others could see what their experience could be like and if it would be worth it for them to get into this world or not. The entire reason for getting the float for me wasn’t just for smooth shots, that can be achieved in plenty of different ways, it was to relieve any sort of lower back / hip pain, and unfortunately the float made everything exponentially worse. Do I think with the right mindset, time, and practice the float would be a great tool, yes, but I don’t think any amount of any of that can solve the pain the belt caused me.
@@DanaWillaxVideos Thanks for taking the time to reply. Apologies if the post came over as negative towards you as a person, it wasn't supposed to be. However, the amount of posts i get on my different socials from people who have directly seen your video and now think the Tilta Float is 'crap' and a 'waste of time' is insane fella!!!. Look, what people do with their views, post seeing your video isn't anything you can control however my initial view of your video was how negative you were about the Tilta Float rig. In regards to your back injury i hope you get it sorted. Being a lighting cameraman for 21 years, i've suffered from twisted hips, lower back pain and sciatic nerve on and off during my time (heavy cameras, long hours and bad lifting). In the past three years however after doubling down on 'core exercises' i've had zero issues and i'm 51 this year. I hope you get the back pain sorted as soon as you can 👍🏻👍🏻
Mate, you're off balanced and also your body is wrong ,you need to control it using your body,stay straight. Took me more than 2 years to understand and work on transitional Steadicam
absolutly unprofessional
wow , you wasted your money, I can get 10x much better results with my old mechanical steadicam, throw that scrap in the trash
if you have no idea how to balance a steadicam forget it.
Gotta start somewhere