The New Jeep Wrangler 4xe Took Me THIS Far Using Zero Gas: It's Not What You Think!
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- ( tflcar.com/ ) Electricity is here, and it's at the heart of the brand new 2021 Jeep Wrangler 4xe. This plug-in hybrid can supposedly take you a bit over 20 miles on electricity alone, but will it actually go that far in the real world? Nathan and Kase find out!
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A decade ago I would have never guessed that Jeep would be on the front lines of electric off road vehicles. Well done Jeep. 👏
It only goes 21 mpg. It’s a joke
my dream car now has a hybrid version of it. I can't wait till I graduate to buy one! 2 more years, 2 more years harry be patient
You’ll get a good deal then too and it will likely be all electric at that point! Excited for you!
Very cool, Harry! I hope there is great health and success coming your way.
Same here except I have to wait 3 years
2 year checkin! Did you get one?
Yea…. Did you get it?
I think people already know what a Jeep can do off road, so this is an important review to show what's different about the hybrid.
Most TFL videos are good. EVERY video with Nathan is good.
Agreed
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TFL wouldn't be the same... without Tommy.
+1
If Nathan or Andre are doing the video, I'm in. Others, nope.
I have to say TFL is my favorite group of guys to review every vehicle on the market and make it informative fun to watch and trust worthy. your the only car review channel I watch except Throttle house. They do pretty good and I am Canadian so nice to seee them as well. Great job TFL crew and keep those honest and un bias reviews coming.
you should watch straight pipes eh......
Electric range was not the factor for buying one of these. I have a Saraha with popular options. Sticker was $56K. Flew to Detroit and drove it home. A local dealer took $2300 off sticker which was a great deal. I’ve gotten 31 miles all electric, typical is 27. What really sells me is that after 3,000 miles of mixed driving I’m averaging 30 mpg overall. I don’t regret purchasing the 4xE for a millisecond.
That sounds really close to what the diesel gets.
Nice, all of my friends regret it. That 21 mpg sucks!
Great video Nathan ! I will be getting a hybrid Ram Rebel as my next truck . Nothing wrong with saving money at the pump . The Straight gas rubicon can get up to almost 60,000 as well so it’s not that expensive .
Thank you for a great video. I'm considering the Sahara as I have a really short commute to work, but do like to go camping. I currently have a Golf R, and as much as I like it, it's not the best for hauling a kayak onto a dirt road to the lakes in northern british columbia. For me, it's a real winner, and you guys have done an excellent job in providing the pro's and con's of the 4xe. Thank you.
I drive on the beach trails with mine and it's great to save the electric for offroad. The electric motor off road is so responsive and makes the terrain fell effortless. Big difference from the 2.0 gas.
I agree with you on the AC!! If you can’t use it when it’s there, then what’s the point?
My wife has one parked in our garage forcing my 21 F150 PowerBoost to sit outside. She leased a Jaguar I-Pace for her business and the lease runs out in September. We have several other vehicles so if she goes to the city she takes my Ridgeline. It’s close to the range with the I-Pace and there are no chargers so she gets range anxiety. Especially returning home with a headwind. The I-Pace has been consistently beating the estimated range by about 45 km on average, but that’s my wife’s driving. She is pretty gentle on it. She bought the 4xe Sahara as she wants it as a SUV, not off-road toy. So in the meantime I get to look at it each day as I go outside to take care of the place, but no touching!! Hahaha. She has sooo much willpower. It still has only 365 km on it. She picked it up, drove it home and that’s it! Arrgghh,,, hahaha.
I’ll show her! Just received my 49 Ford F1 pickup! I am taking the stupid Chevy 350 out of it (it’s pretty stout really, but belongs in a GM product, not Ford!). In place I will be putting a Flathead V8 backed up by an A4OD transmission and,,,,,,,,, I will be supercharging the Flathead! Not for go as much as show! It needs painting and an interior as it is a purple that is almost pink. Don’t like either colour! The rest of the suspension, etc is very well done! The truck is very well done in general, if you like the colour and the wrong powertrain!! Hahaha. I will have way less range than her IxPace!! Hahaha, that’ll show her!! I think.
I know TFL is in Colorado and what I would like to see how the electric would behave going up and down Loveland and vail passes and how much battery gain the re-gen would get going down those passes. 🤔
This is really cool. I commute about 25 miles per day to and from work, and there are EV chargers at my office. Probably wouldn't happen, but I could foreseeably commute both ways without using any gas! Chances are I would end up driving it harder, so the gas would kick on, but that's very appealing.
There's an electric only mode that will only kick on the gas motor if you have your foot to the floor.
@@aclark106277 do you know you will ruin your rig if the gas engine never operates. People need to learn how to run these PHEV’s beforehand otherwise the gas will sit in the tank and lines and you will have a bigger bill than the 61K that just starts the “hole in the ground that you throw your money into”…like the answer to the question “what is a boat…? Which is similar but Jeep’s don’t float and create holes in the water.
@@davidthompson7817 old comment, but your scenario doesn't apply to plug-in hybrids. It's a pretty extreme example to assume a person will never ever use the engine, and just an occasional drive around town is a far cry from your vehicle sitting untouched for 6 months +.
@@grahamfloyd3451 This was an issue for the Chevy Volt, but that was a 100 mile range and would completely lock out the gas engine for daily driving. People would go months without filling up and the gas would go stale or gum up. I don't see that being an issue here.
I am driving my Sahara 4Xe on all electric mode daily commute sometime in between my drive without pushing hard the gas engine kicks on automatically for a few secs and than turns off by itself. So Jeep fixed that issue by installing software in 2023 car to run gas engine periodically even if u choose strictly electric mode not the hybrid
Excellent video, sometimes this kind of things got lost, and forgotten. Nice review.
Love the photo of the Jeep brand charging station. I could see this in my driveway? Solar, also assume I could switch over to the grid when needed. Thank you for posting.
We absolutely love our 4XE. A few months in and 1600 miles and we are averaging 39.8mpg. It’s a 4xe Rubicon and we do tons of 20-25 mile commutes and have a level 2 charger so charge in between. It’s my 2nd Wrangler and by far my favorite.
That’s awesome. Thanks for posting this. 👍👍
Is it really worth the price considering it doesn’t offer many miles on electricity alone?
@@this2shallpass410 I was looking at one here in Texas, we were getting $7,500 off with the federal tax credit which made the numbers look more reasonable
@@this2shallpass410 it all depends on your driving habits
@@miguellongoria2043 how does that work do you get a tax write off? or straight at the dealership?? sorry I have no clue how things work. thank you in advance
Thanks for the review Nathan!
Depending on your commute distance you could easily cut your fuel consumption by half if not more with this. 61k is still really steep for such a short electric range though.
It is a stacked rubicon model on tho too
Either pay it on gas or on the vehicle
I believe it will regenerate the battery as you drive on gas so you could technically switch back to battery after it is charged again
I bet it will go 10mls further without hvac on which could make a difference and after a 3h charge at work you can do the same trip back without even using the engine.
Yes you shoud pay on gas 7years more better after warranty 6years 18k must be problem and u can change battery also you pay more $30,000over
Nice tank top. "It's all in the reflexes."
Who? “Me, Jack Burton!”
Time spent with friends is never a waste. Cool video. 😁
Thanks Guys. Very useful information and thought provoking ....I'm in buy mode and just keep shaking my head at 15mpg on a 4Runner.
Reliability is night & day with the Toyota. I sold my JL 2.0L due to electrical issues. I need one for pulling behind an RV, So Im looking at them again. If it were not a toy/offroad issue for me, I'd buy the 4 runner all day! If the 4 runner could be flat towed I'd buy that. MPG hurt, but repairs are a bigger issue...
Highschool student here. I have almost 1,000 miles on my new 4xe rubicon and about 450 of those miles are all electric saving me tons of gas money. And I get 23.8 mpg
Love that Jeep keeps giving us wrangler options!
That 26mls works out to 42km on electric that is amazing. Thats about 1/2 my commute each day so that would be a huge fuel savings. Great video guys.
Love our 4xe.
I went weeks and at least 1000 miles before pulling into a gas station.
We almost never use our other car now.
I drive about 10 miles each morning to either the desert or mountains outside Vegas to walk the dog in the morning around 6:00 am.
Come home, plug in the charger. By the time my wife heads out to shop or run errands it’s charged.
We do this several times a day. Go out, come back leave a couple hours later.
The other car ( infinity QX60) hardly moves unless we have a long trip.
3:15 - PHEV stands for 'Pretty Heavy EV'?
Just joking (at least trying to...) - the idea of an electric commuter that turns into a beast on weekends is perfectly executed in this case.
PHat EV 😂
Great video guys. As an electrical Eng Tech I can say that the drop off at the back was not your driving. What happens is the battery voltage gets lower as the battery depletes which causes the current to go up to maintain speed and velocity so current draw is the battery killer and the faster rate of depletion occurs. (Rough basics Watts = Volts x Amps reduce volts increase amps as wattage is constant to maintain the speed). Your slow takeoffs at the beginning added to the range otherwise you would have not made the advertised range.
Thanks for the video. You pretty much confirmed what everyone else is saying, that the 4Xe is a stellar jump for Jeep in the right direction but very limited in its ROI. Seems like for now it is best suited as a Sahara city Jeep. By the time you add all the aftermarket goodies to the Rubicon, your weight is maxed and you can’t add any passengers or cargo with a $100k total. It’s the “gen1 Tesla Roadster” of PHEV Wranglers and full of issues but I can’t wait until they get the perfected model. 👍
Rubicon 4xe with steel bumpers still has 850lb payload capacity.
@@davidcarrico3385 That's 3 fat guys.
@@2011blueman same as the regular Rubicon
@@davidcarrico3385 Regular Rubicon with the 8 speed auto is 1,160 lbs and with the 6 speed manual it is 1,200 lbs, so you get an extra fat guy for a total of 4 fat guys with the regular Rubicon.
@@2011blueman I’m not sure your numbers account for the steel bumper group I mentioned, which is around 140-145 pounds, but I stand corrected, I had thought they were the same but it looks like they are at least a skinny guy apart……thanks for the info, I always appreciate learning something I didn’t know or had wrong.
Well, I've had 5 Jeep Wranglers over several years. Purchased a new 4xe 5 weeks ago, it's driven daily in town...still have 1/4 tank of gas. Love it, and so far I'll keep it !
Making a run from Irvine,CA to Las Vegas in a couple days and back. We'll see how that goes.
Note: In town acceleration is great with battery assist.
Charging syztem isn't a big deal. The system works well.
I am guessing the Sahara 4xe edition is little cheaper and if it can deliver 27 miles all-electric this will be a good mix for doing shorter daily commute & offroading & longer road trips. Good buy if you can get Fed tax credit. I wish it had a 50 miles all-electric range
Simply but informative video. Jeeps have come a long way tech wise. I'm still a Toyota guy, but Jeeps will always be cool.
Bring back the FJ THO. 4runner is cool but I need a more capable rig. And hopefully one with better blind spots.
@@rickjames5998
The 2 most flipped vehicles on the San Juan mountain trails...... 4runners and FJs.
Yesss I’m Toyota too but I want a Jeep next
@@rickjames5998 they have released a teaser on what the next fj would look like, which is now called the compact cruiser ev
The additional weight of passengers doesn't matter much if the vehicle braking makes good use of regen. The use of A CISCO a valid point, but given that you're only driving 30 miles, you should ve just wound the windows down and not used the AC.
Big Trouble in Little China...love that movie...I also have that tank top :)
Yes Nathan, $61,000. is just too much for this or any Jeep. Seems to me that vehicle prices ( and a lot of other stuff have gone up, because,... they can,
just like the super rip off that the Lumber industry is doing to us )
I like that it`s a E vehicle, and a gasoline engine as well.
Cost aside, seems like a nice execution for this type of vehicle. Seems like you had a pretty level drive would be curious how it would do in more hilly area. I think PHEVs are still a great stepping stone but cost will put it out of reach for many but with a typical well optioned pickup in the $50 to $80k price range yet they seem to sell well who knows.
$359 lease from Jeep right now. Check their website.
Wow! I'm impressed! Saw another video where the guy takes his to the dragstrip. Blew many production muscle cars away.
What was the comment about it not liking running out of juice as Roman showed? Mine has over 4000 miles and I’ve beaten it up (stock) on 4 and 5 rated trails, and curious what was meant by that as I haven’t experienced anything negative except a reduction in gas mileage when the battery gets depleted. But all the power (375hp and 470 lb of torque) is still there because the system keeps 15% of the battery in reserve for those needs and constantly replenishes that from the P1 motor charging (the bottom 15% also happens to be the easiest, most efficient to charge). Loving mine, but looking forward to getting my 35’s and lift.
This video is very helpful
Appreciate the Jack Burton, Big Trouble In Little China, tee shirt!!
For the amount of driving I do, the diesel looks like it will make a lot more sense. 20 mpg after the battery is gone isn't great compared to the other options.
This aged , diesel is now in 2023 on factory recall
The wrangler looks so fun with the top and doors off. I'm going to wait to get a fully electric wrangler
Great vid!!
That's pretty good for around-town use!
Real question. If the battery needs to be replaced how much does it cost and how much would average labor cost to have it done?
Love the channel
Need more Nathan
Nice video, I’m really interested in one of these just not at that price!
It is expensive, but if you get the full 7500 in federal tax credit (and a lot of the people buying a greater than 50k vehicle do qualify), it actually is cheaper than the equivalent gas only version by several thousand dollars. On qualifying for the tax credit, talk to a tax consultant, but it’s based on total tax liability, not what you get back on April 15, so in other words, if your employer takes out more than 7500 out of your paycheck over the span of the year, there is a good chance you qualify for the full amount.
Still Loving my 4xe Rubi. Saving lots of money since 90% of my driving is on electric with short burst of gas. Only vehicle I "may" considertradign Wrangler 4xe for may be a 4xe Gladiator. I did get the $7500 rebate/tax thing.
Do you know yur electric meter spins when you charge your EV ?
Thanks for the review! Can the motor charge the battery while driving?
Great video. This Jeep seems to have it all. It just costs so much.
I think the Sahara is the cheapest 4XE trim they have for the Wrangler. Would be nice if they brought it down to the Sport.
We need a 50 mile EV range + 5000lb (or more) towing capacity PHEV Jeep Wrangler, gladiator or Ram 1500. Would love to daily drive on EV and have the ability to tow when going camping or just towing equipment around town. Unfortunately, nobody offers this combination (yet). And, no, the F150 hybrid is not plug in and has very very limited electric range (also electric range is from gas instead of solar/grid).
Would be interested in if you have the ac on or off. If my wife is in the car the ac will be fully on high. She would run down a ev car just with the AC usage lol.
What hybrid for the Wagoneer? Ram 1/2 ton? Gladiator? 2.0L isn't going to get it done -
Grand Cherokee 4xe has been officially announced, too! I should be able to adapt openpilot to the Grand Cherokee 4xe, for hands-free self-driving on long boring drives.
Is it like the Ford power boost where if you stay under 35 you'll remain electric? Is it possible to set it that way? I love a video where you go over all of the options and how long it can last if in fact you're just using it to assist like the Ford power boost rather than setting it all electric all the time.
I just wish price wise they hadn't limited it to the Sahara and Rubicon. Business wise I understand that but it might get an even bigger appeal at lower cost in the sport s trim
Nathan…electric samurai conversion? Would make the unit sick!
My ? Is what is the life expectancy of the battery? Then what does it cost to replace?
What are the Blazer wheels for? Why did Roman stop doing the weekly update? Though it was a cool idea.
Does the gas engine turn on on a incline while the battery is charged? I want one as my daily driver but I live on a hill with a significant incline.
Bring on a BEV Wrangler!!! The large battery pack would ensure a low center of gravity and might include a frunk to store more items when taking off-road trips. We are still at the infancy stage for battery cells. It will likely take another 10-years before their is an real advancement in battery cell technology that can be manufactured in high volume. The 2032 Jeep Wrangler will be a totally different animal but easily identified as a Wrangler.
It breaks the power usage down very specifically on the App. Just got mine!
You would have gotten more if not driving it on the interstate. Around town with speeds below 50mph would have netted the best all electric range.
Thank you
I’m interested in how afar you would have done if you stayed in town and weren’t on the highway
I love the idea of a plug in hybrid. Most days I’m doing less than 15 miles. So not having to fill up sounds awesome but the price bump is more than the fuel I would save for years and years
The regenerative breaking should also cut down on maintenance cost too
I just bought a Rubicon 4xe and they took the $7,500 right of the price. Got it for $49,000.
How did they do that?
@@design6282 You can do that if you lease it.
how is the range affected if you take off all the doors and roof?
So when the electric battery is drained, do you lose the added hp and torque?
I still don't get it. Once you are out of all-electric mode (27 miles of electricity used up), is it possible to operate it in hybrid mode (49MGE) or can it not run in hybrid mode because the electricty is used up? Is the 49mge obtainable only by running 27 all-electric and then 27 in all gas to get a somewhat combined 49? No one ever talks about how far it will go in hybrid mode only (gas and electric) before you have to drive in gas mode only.
mpge is only electric, once it kicks out of that it is in "hybrid mode" which gets around 20 mpg. I know it's kind of confusing.
Thanks!
My only complaint is that the air conditioning compressor definitely uses more power from your engine that having the windows open.
not typically true search it up
Good for in town imo. Daily I won't drive over 20miles at all here in Hawaii
Can you flat tow the 4XE behind an RV? Thx for the video!
Where i live not a single Wrangler 4xe model falls into any rebate bracket. Shame. We also have some of highest gas prices in North America too. Guess its the full time gasser ftw lol
does the 2.0lt charge the battery?
what happens? does it cranks while its in drive and your foot is on the gas? that's terrifying
Will the seat go back some more?
I have the JLUR 4xe and at best being able to charge each day and use gas I only average 19-21 mpg gas and on a perfect day 24mpe fun vehicle. Just would get it hoping to be a true fuel savor. I live in an area with flat roads and mountains. Realistically if you can’t charge it at multiple locations daily or have a home fast charger your basically just getting extra torque. Real world numbers in all electric and gas combined you can maybe get 508 miles. But that’s charging constantly. If not your getting around 330-340 in just gas.
What happens when the battery runs out? Does it still power all four tires with the 2.0t?
Yea it has 2 electric motors one on the engine and the other inside the transmission. So the gas engine and electric motors go right through the same drive train.
Never mind the MSRP being a lot of dough, the base price is a lot of dough.
They’ve also done two msrp increases since then. You can thankfully get the 7500 federal tax credit but the Rubicon was disqualified from the state credits in my case due to the base price being over 50k.
@@1122theghost I think there are some state incentives also YRMV
@@1122theghost Good. The government shouldn't be giving out other peoples money for stupid toys like this to save a marginal amount of gas. Want to save gas? Drive a Yaris.
The base rubicon 4xe has more features than a base gas only rubicon. If you include state rebate and federal rebate I am getting a rebate of $10,500 making it more affordable than the gas version.
@@davec.3198 Amen Brother.
Okay I’m like a broken record … I love this but what will it do in a cold climate
The Sahara will prob get more electric range due to the slimmer tires and lower gear ratio.
How long will it take the gas to fill charge it back to 100
What’s the time frame for Jeep going all electric?
Meh. I'll stick with what I have until they can overcome the battery barrier.
How long does it take for a full charge?
Damn. I need a car currently but full electric jeeps wont be a thing for a while.
Did you use Max Regen?
How many miles can jeep 4xe goes using electrical mode only for condition when temperature is 120°F (as for the peak summer in gulf region)?
Something they didn't mention is what the ambient temp was during this drive. TFL is based in Colorado where I live and I can confirm that we've been seeing average temps for the last several weeks in the mid to upper 90's. If this was recorded in the last few days (which it probably was) my guess is it was at least 95 during this test (hence the AC use). The battery pack is heated and cooled by the system to maintain peak efficiency so it stands to reason you would probably see similar range electric only.
So does the 4Xe go into Hybrid mode or just gas mode when it uses it's ev only range?
It’s always in hybrid mode (even when you set it to electric or eSave, it’s still a form of hybrid with a different torque threshold mapping for kicking on the engine). It’s always doing regenerative braking and at a minimum, recharging a 15% reserve so you always have power on tap and also to help start from a stop. With that said hybrid in the jeep (after battery depletion) isn’t all that efficient because it’s a brick, so around the city after battery depletion you can expect 21 to 25 and on the highway 20 to 22 ( I have heard a few getting worse). I have roughly 4000 miles on mine, I have a 60 mile round trip commute a few times a week that I start at full charge. Overall I’m at about 28/29. For my commute only(85% highway), I average 26/27. I have the Rubicon 4xe with steel bumper group.
My question is there will be a lot con questions about the power battery pack because of age or faulty function, costly expensive for replacement of new power battery like $12k plus labor. How buyers respond when they think and will afraid to buy a used jeep 4Xe which you try to sell it because of the power battery pack last longer or short life..
Just got mine. I can barely get 18 miles
4xe is cool but I’m gona wait until the fully electric rubicon comes out. I already have 2 ram 1500s so I can’t add another gas guzzler lol
This is *THE* hottest selling vehicle on the market today beat out only by Tesla due to apparent supply constraints for sales of the Jeep. This is the target market i think for the Ford F150 Hybrid which has been on sale for around the same time frame but without nearly the same sales.
And two years later Jeep says to park these outside and not recharge them until a software fix has been applied to stop the batteries from exploding. I wouldn't want to park an EV or hybrid in my garage.
Im pretty sure none of the electronics pull from the battery for driving. You still have a separate car battery.
Myabe if its nice out then you can drive with no A/C but for most of us its a necessity.
Also Higher speed driving will eat up the battery life faster.
are there any 2 door 4xe jeeps?
Man, so heavy, so complicated, so many things to go wrong.
Thats why 2 door, v6, stick is the best.
I love my 4.0L Tj with 5 spd manual
you would think, but jeep wrecked the manual experience in the JL .
@@rodgood really how? Whats wrong with the v6 and 6 speed manual?
@@rickjames5998 Lack of torque , light weight flywheel,light weight pressure plate .poor throttle control .