I have a 4xE. when I go off-roading and scouting for animals, I use the gas when going uphill (E Save mode) and the battery on flat and downhill with the max brake regeneration on. You get hours of silent off-roading do this. The max regeneration mode also gives you a one pedal experience. You rarely have to touch the break to get the vehicle to slow down. Love it!
This is a perfect example of why hybrid is the right idea for right now, it gives you the best of both worlds, and room to grow as battery tech continues to improve.
Battery tech has been worked on for over 100 years; it's not going anywhere, except to more battery fires and explosions. Check out what just happened in Australia with one of those super-battery stations. THAT is the future of EV batteries.
@@rayrussell6258 Correction: "Lead-Acid" battery tech has been worked on for over 100 years. Lithium batteries were first released to the public around 1991, and were very different than the lithium batteries we have now in EVs. Battery technology and safety has improved dramatically in the past 10 years alone. When's the last time you saw somebody's cell phone burst into flames? The fire in Australia was comparable in size and scale to a house fire, had no fatalities or injuries, and was extinguished within a reasonably quick time frame. Over 7% of cars on the road today are electric or hybrid, and I personally haven't seen a single one catch on fire. Statistically, they're no more likely to catch on fire than any other vehicle. On the other hand, fires and spills resulting from the extraction, transportation and storage and use of petroleum have had a massive fatality and environmental impact. I don't even need to get into the statistics on that one.
@@supersnot4 in spite of the change in material, batteries are still not up to much more than 20-25 miles range, honest range usually far less than stated range. I don't dispute lead batteries are worse, but lithium is still unsatisfactory (and yes they do still catch fire), not really much progress made in vehicle range, and the US public doesn't realize it yet because they are too self-centered to make that connection until a bunch more of them waste their money on eV's and start talking about it. Word-of-mouth will end this fad. Dedicated electrics have better range, but replacement cost of batteries is going to kill secondary market for the vehicles, and original owners will be stuck with them. These big heavy batteries also compromise passenger and cargo capacity, something else that consumers will complain about and start rejecting. The fire in Australia took 7 fire companies 2 days to bring it under control, I think I read. I don't call that "reasonably quick"! And nobody was "in the house" at the time the fire started. The super-batteries were outside in a nest in open air. And the fire-fighters were unable to stop the first battery on fire from travelling to another adjacent super-battery and it caught on fire also. Good thing it didn't happen in someone's house! Maybe in YOUR house or your neighbor's, with your kids and wife asleep while they/you let their/your car recharge in the garage at night. I dispute your 7% on-road figure, Tesla hasn't sold that many cars. We have many tens of millions of vehicles on the road serving our US population of 335 million people, Tesla and other hybrids are a mere blip on that screen. Hybrids sold by other brands are languishing on new/used car lots and in auction houses, no one wants them. New car and truck sales this year are being skewed by the chip shortage, so wherever you get 7% is likely not steady state. Gasoline vehicle production has been bottle-necked, which would quickly reduce any comparison of eV's to gasoline if production went back to normal quicker. Tesla has no capacity to raise sales. But there have been massive reports of fires to NHTSA already (whether you or I have seen them matters not, it is happening, getting reported, and lawyers are beginning to do class action lawsuits against companies) and fire departments all around the US are adopting "let it burn itself out" as the procedure for an Ev fire. It is too dangerous for fire personnel to get close to the burning vehicle, which often explodes as a secondary result of the fire. You are not informed sufficiently about eV's on the road. Fires due to gasoline are generally the result of stupid human actions. With an eV, the fire can and does happen when doing legitimate things like re-charging. BIG difference. We haven't had a Tesla battery plant explode yet, to add to wide scale injury/death statistics on that side of the ledger, but it will happen there or somewhere else. It's just a matter of time. When it happens, it will be like a fireworks factory exploding. However the main issue with eV's is they are inconvenient in real-world use. That hasn't changed but a smidgen in over a 100 years.
@John Dillermand lol, so says CNN and those light in the loafers and brains types who promote eV's --- who look at tiny starting point/base range numbers and try then to use percentage change instead of real numbers to promote range improvement; in reality they've gone from maybe 22 up to 25 miles range in that time frame; in absolute numbers (3) that's basically NO CHANGE in my book! full electrics do better but the ridiculously high cost of the battery to do that is not sustainable in this market beyond the well-healed first line of elitist buyers; this is already evident in the number of unsold new and used hybrids sitting on dealer car lots and in the big regional auction clearing house locations in the US; used buyers are especially resisting hybrids and will resist full electrics even more; they are all too expensive to maintain and very inconvenient in real life. YOU might be impressed by 3 miles more range in 20 years, but real honest normal working people look down at all that flim-flam. They are perfectly happy with gasoline engine cars with 400 - 500 mile range. In comparison, batteries with 25 mile range is a joke.
Two videos I've watched with you guys on Red Cone and you haven't shown the decent from the summit. That drop is what makes Red Cone an iconic trail! Keep up the good work
Wow. That jeep is cool. Jeep really stepped up to take the spotlight off of the bronco. I love Saturday morning TFL just like I did Saturday morning cartoons as a kid.
Growing up, my neighbor had one of these, but it was much smaller... so small that half of his body would stick out of the top, even though he was only 5 years old.
As a 4XE owner, the regen brakes are a killer feature for long decent both off-road and down mountain grade, they offer far better control than mechanical brakes. The most I have gained back on charge is 10% and 20 miles. The 15% of the battery is reserved for hybrid operations, the 4XE does not report the charge in reserve.
I went down from lookout mountain in Chattanooga and never hit the brake or accelerator. Just using Max Regen I had almost 35% battery after a 15 minute descent. Free charging.
Man I wish I got along that well with my dad growing up. Good for you guys. I mean I'm sure driving beautiful vehicles and getting paid for it helps LOL but credit where credit is due. Good father right there
I’d like to see what kind of off road range this Jeep gets if you do the same trail but do it in 2WD from the start only putting it in 4WD when absolutely necessary. It takes a lot of energy to turn all four wheels and a lot of trails can be driven in 2WD most of the time so I’d guess that you could get a significant increase in range.
So benefits I see of this 1. Most people would be able to run their entire commute on electricity if they wanted to. 2. you still have the option to go as far as you like on gasoline. 3. If you are a deer hunter you can get into the woods silently and not spook the deer.
"Most people..." I always love how people think their assumptions = "most people." My commute, on some days, was 102 miles one way for a specific client. To my office was 18 miles one way. Deer hunting in the western U.S. states, you're going to drive more than three miles off-road, and you're still going to hike to find mule deer.
Even though it is heavier, I think the even weight distribution of the 4xe (engine in the front and battery in the back) might have helped with some of the off road capability. It seemed like the 4xe had far less wheel slip then other vehicles I've seen in these videos.
Fantastic video. Definitely my favorite Wrangler except for perhaps the 392. But I think it would be fantastic to drive through the forest in silence. I would like to have seen the downhill stretch. It would have been interesting to see how much power you could regen going back down that steep grade. Would have been fascinating if you could regained a significant percentage of it. That would make a lot of the uphill trip essentially free.
I'm guessing the regen ability is a lot more efficient at paved road speeds. Not saying you wouldn't get some regen, but crawling down at low speed is not going to generate a lot of power. These generators are focused towards gleaning a bit off of higher RPM. They aren't going to be too efficient at grabbing low RPM power from crawling down a steep grade dead slow. At least, this is my guess. And it's a good question, but I think the engineers will have designed the generators to be most efficient at higher speeds, talking a bit out of each revolution, rather than the problematic task of taking a lot out of each revolution, which would create other problems and complications. Databyter
@@wzDH106 Either way my point is still true. The electric generation is likely not too efficient under offroading conditions, even downhill. It is optimized for road conditions and higher speeds. It may not even kick in at crawling speeds, regardless of transmission or direct drive. Databyter
Would be interesting to know how much elevation you gained on this trip? I know that my Tesla’s range drops considerably going uphill - with quite a bit made up going back down. Is that a stat you can share?
That was pretty impressive. I'm not a Jeep fan, not that they're not good. Just not my thing. You have to give them credit though. A solid front axle and refining the same basic vehicle isn't a bad thing. Just like Porsche with the 911. I would like to know how much regen you guys got on the way down.
The video is awesome, great quality work, love the channel. Mine did 2049 mile on pavement + dirt and after that died. Now sitting in the shop since 2 months.
Yeah, i'm glad my f150's 2.7 is very quiet, but if i could shut it off that would be awesome. Still have tire noise to scare wildlife away, but every bit helps!
im not worried if a cybertruck can get up a 5 mile trail. even at 80% range reduction that leaves 60 miles of range. this trail was 5 miles. and one question i have is if they could do some of it in 2h or 4h to have a better gear ratio and get better range.
@Frugal Family Living thanks for math break down, Nerd! Do you feel better now that we all know that the arbitrary number I put in my comment is not possible.🤓
You sir are one of the most fortunate man in the world. You are off-roading with your son making videos for a living. Emphasis on " with your son" you are envied. Blessings.
I loved seeing the high elevation footage. I’m heading out to the Collegiate Peaks in a couple of weeks. I look forward to seeing those summer rain/sleet/hail storms roll through in the afternoon. I’m so tempted to make a 4Xe my next vehicle. 🤔😬
you have too much money if you still want one of these, after watching this video "fail". just buy the gas only, might as well since that's all you'll really use anyway.
Non of what the other comments is true in my case. I have a plug in hybrid vehicle, it’s 6 years old, over 100k miles and it runs just like it did when i got it. It’s a fusion Energi, not lacking in power at all, I pretty much use the EV as a boost and don’t drive it economically. I’m making 48mpg. Plug in hybrids are great, you get the best of both worlds. Definitely look into it. This keep looks cool!
@@Cecil_33 to be clear about this, you drive it as if it is a gas engine vehicle, limiting your use in electric mode. Personally I would not pay for 2 powertrains (and maintain both when they get aged, a period like you are now entering). Let us know what your repair costs are in a year or two. You might be changing your tune by then. Glad it is a Ford, you made the best choice there ..... Jeep hybrid system is Fiat-based originally, and most of us know what Fiat quality is like.
What an awesome trail and video. I own both a Gladiator Rubicon and a Sahara 4xe. I really wish that Jeep would put the 4xe power plant into the Gladiator. The combination of turbo and electric power is second to none. I would love to have a 392 but it certainly won't get close to 30mpg. I had a red V6 2018 Rubicon similar to what you guys drove. In both stock and with a 3" Teraflex lift, the Rubicon was amazing off road, stock height/stock wheels, stock height/35" wheel, and lifted with 35's. I have just over 2500 miles and yesterday filled up the 4xe for my 3rd tank of gas. CRAZY!! Yes, you can say I love my Jeeps! :D (Btw, on a good day, the Gladiator will get around 18mpg. :/)
Fantastic video!!! Thanks guys I cant wait to get one in about a month. Also loved the drone takes, what drone are you guys using?? Best! PS I so miss Colorado minus the hailstorms of course LOL
I’m curious how much battery would be regenerated by going down that from an empty battery. If you used 4.5 kWh per mile up the mountain, would the net of going up and downhill be 2.2 kWh per mile? That would assume negligible scavenging, but I would that it could recover a fair amount. Was the Tesla consumption uphill only as well?
if you can't make it to the top of the trail, I somehow doubt it matters much if you get 2 or so regen coming down. Still can't get you home. (2/17 * 26 range max = about 2-3 miles). These electric things are just flat out DOA, or should be.
@@rayrussell6258 That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You have no idea what you are talking about. It's embarrassing. That vehicle has a range of 370 miles. Did you even watch any of this video? They clearly made it to the top. And then back home. STFU
One advantage you have in the Jeep with the electric aux motor is the ability to let an overheated on the trail vehicle cool off while running in electric. Thats the aspect that interests me the most..In California up a steep trail, you may tend to warm up. How good it would be to shut off the gasoline and switch to electric. you could run out of gas and have electric back up even if it was only 10 miles, that's a heck of a walk along the trail. C'mon guys get creative with your videos. I think your suffering from too many channels.. lol Seriously no one is talking about all the additional benefits of that particular Jeep setup..
It would be helpful to give us the exact elevation at the bottom and top of the EV run. For every 1000 ft of elevation gain in a ~5300 lb vehicle, you're going to use about 2 kWh just to overcome gravity.
Also would like to see how much gas is used up the same trail in a comparable gas only Wrangler, see how much equivalent energy is used. Just for kicks
Very capable vehicle. Much more impressed with the plug-in hybrids than the all electric vehicles. Also curious about downhill regeneration. Awesome video!
Kent I agree, I believe a lot of the trial could have been done in 2WD or 4H with no diff locks . Using 4WD when needed would have provided for a better test
Since a big part of this was about how quiet it is, I wish we could have had a few minutes of no talking and no music, so we could experience it, too. If you get a chance to film some more with it, please do that. I really liked the few seconds here and there where you let us just listen to the cameras you mounted under it.
Really cool video, and top notch production guys! The drone footage was epic. I can't imagine living anywhere else but the Rockies! The Jeep also did an amazing job. The fact that you can buy from the factory a vehicle that capable boggles the mind.
Nice video. And that's hilarious about how long the last 1% lasts. I had a Fiat 500e and tried to finish off the battery once in the driveway. Got it down to 1% before I drove around the block again and pulled in and just turned in circles forever before I gave up and just plugged it in. The AC and heater wouldn't turn on but I could still drive in circles at 0%.
If TFL did not just raise the demand for the Wrangler 4xe by 10%+, than I’m secretly a unicorn!! That was phenomenal! The capability was proven. The sounds of nature. The beauty of the scenery. This would be very hard to beat! Unfortunately, this does not help me in my transition from a Jeep GC Trailhawk to a Wrangler 4xe at all… the prices continue to rise right along side the price of fuel. Great job TFL!!
Fantastic Video guys. My son is turning 30 this month, I so wish I had the opportunity to work with him. I know for Roman, the best part of the business.
I’d like to see you off-road this on the same trail you took your Model X on, and compare it for energy consumption. Maybe splice in the old video to do a side-by-side.
One thing to keep in mind with designing any vehicle for mountain or desert off-reading, is that these situations are so rare in the scheme of the majority of use cases. The vast majority of buyers of these vehicles NEVER take them up the side of a 12k foot mountain. Even though the Jeep is clearly made for this 1% use cases, most people will be completely happy with getting 25 miles out of the battery, since they’ll be driving on road.
I wouldn't use the battery for off-road, personally. Use it for my commute and road driving. But I also use my 4x4 for off-road. But yeah, you nailed it.
Will be interesting to know the regen capacity and "engine" braking. Great video guys, waiting the Lightning (the Ford, not a thunderstorm on your heads up there 🤣🤣🤣). Greetings
@@Adam_Rosenberg91 You cannot recharge eV's safely at home overnight due to very likely/probable fire risk, multiple brands are now having the same issue and soon will be defending themselves in court; I recommend you do NOT think you can rely on home-charging while you sleep. where I live all commutes are over 20 miles one-way; these eV's are being targeted at city slickers but in reality they will keep you penned up in your city if you buy one. If my daily use was sub- 10 miles, I'd just ride a bicycle and save the $40K.
@@rayrussell6258 Put down the bong and step away from it. Charge outside away from the house, or in a detached garage, if you're scared of charging fires. Charging infrastructure is growing. This is also a hybrid, with combustion-engine capability. It's not strictly an EV, like a Tesla is.
I don't know about your experience, but I have seen my milage in gas vehicle go down from 21 to about 10 and that wasn't going up a mountain This is just narrow rough trails with occasional hills. So its no surprise the battery range went down that much while going up a mountain. As we all know miles don't count off road. Its hours of running. I can easily burn half a tank of gas off road in 10 hours of driving but only did a 100 miles. How far do you drive in 10 hours on road? I really would like to see how well it would do just driving on mostly level rough trails.
I have a 4xe Rubicon and just got back from a trip to Silverton CO. I did Ophir from the Ouray side and from paved road to paved road I was in 4-lo. Started with 92%. At the pass summit I was at 22%, and going down into Ophir I picked up 11% so I was up to 33% when I got back on to pavement. I think the entire trail is 11miles and I was able to do it all in electric mode. Not a flat trail but not as extreme as Red Cone.
@@wp7718 that's impressive! I wish they would have mentioned how much charge they regained going down Red Cone. Btw, what was your mileage like on the paved portion of your road trip?
@@djw1091994 on the trip from Denver to Silverton I got 25.0MPG. I was in Silverton for a week running trails daily. At the end of the entire trip when I got home I had averaged 24.9MPG 857 mi total. I was staying at a house where I could plug in overnight so I did start out each day with a full charge. The 24.9 avg includes all the off-road. My 2014 JK that this replaced would’ve been lucky to avg 14mpg on a trip like that. FYI longer trips where I only get 1 charge to start I seem to get that 24-25mpg range. But when I’m home most of my travel is within the range so I can get 1000mi out of a tank.
@@lightman489 You can’t really access the high voltage batteries. So you’d have to add an inverter to the 12v system. But that gets charged from the high voltage via dc-dc charging. So if you saved your charge for the camp site you’d have a lot of power. I’m looking forward to the aftermarket options to tap into the high voltage so it’s more efficient.
really enjoyed video been looking at getting this as a daily driver i live in michigan so you know anything can happen up here weather wise road wise would be nice to have something that can tactical it all when i need it and you guys prove that in this video no hesitation going to get one thanks for great video fellas
Nice Jeep for sure was very Impressed! LOL Redcone is fun day I was wondering why Tommy was getting nervous. That part of the trail is a heart pumper for sure and cameras can never do it justice but trust me folks it's a long way down and scary and once you get to the top. That saying what goes up must come down is true here and the next drop is no walk in the park either you are looking practically straight down then you go through websters pass. If like wheeling and you are not scared of High elevation, narrow trails, and steep descent plus the immense beauty of it all this is a fun trail
An epic little video. I'm gonna download music like that and play when I get to my destination. I'd like to see a Hybrid mode test to show the mileage, which I don't think has been done yet.
I don't know about the 4xe, but I own a 2012 Volt. Aged pretty well, still get 25 or so mile of range (new is 35). I drive about 20 minutes each way to town, can't remember when I last bought gas. Even when I did, it was only about 2 gallons! Love it!
Just did St. Johns to deer creek and Santa Fe last week .... Have you ever took midfork back down to breck or up from breck? Wondering if that's simple to follow? Back down to tiger road....
What a great video. I have not particularly wanted a Wrangler before now, but this was way cool! My daily driver and part-time off-roader is a 2015 Jeep GC Diesel Overland, with Rocksliders, Offroad Adventure II Pkg (Electronic LSRD), and lotsa extra bash plates a-la Chief Products (Australia). My next mod will be a winch, But I could see replacing my Diesel GC with that 4xe (unless my buddy sells me his G-Wagen!). What a cool ride! Thanks for sharing your experience with the rest of us!
It's a hybrid so I'd be more interested in seeing how it combines the two power sources for off-road use, is the transitions between elec and petrol power smooth
Lol, being a "flat lander"/Kansan for 57 years now. I found it funny you talking "above tree top" during a lightning storm. IN Kansas you are always above tree line and most of the time ARE the tallest thing in a lightning storm!( and don't stand under a tree during a lightning storm).
I honestly kind of impressed by the 3.4 miles off road. While it’s definitely not ideal, it is a good starting point. I can’t wait to see what the dedicated ev manufacturers can come up with in the next few years. Dumb question about the 4xe - will it charge the battery while running the gas engine or does it charge only from the regen system? Also is there an ability to bump up the regen for hill descent control?
3.4 miles is kind of impressive. I’m still looking forward to a fully electric jeep one day like the magneto. In a few years when these start showing up on the used market, I may one day pick one up if my credit is worth a damn by then.
I saw one of those signs headed up to South Colony Lakes outside of Westcliffe, CO. I did it in a 2005 Outback :-), only scraped front bumper a little bit.
🤔 as an Uber Driver in a 3.6 jk I’m very intrigued! Really cool, but How do you fix it on the trail?? Maintenance issues long term?? I digress, Hybrid eco-diesel please!!
Lol that dad out of breath as he is terrified of lightning 🤣😂 far from his dirt bike days indeed🤣😂 it would be nice for jeep to bring back the indestructible I6
I understand there is some losses for the electric motor to turn all the gears in the transmission and transfer case….. But I like the way the electric motor runs through the transmission so that the automatic can pic the right gear. So the load non the electric motor doesn’t have to work very hard running in low range. It’s a good setup.
I drove the 4xe Rubicon and was totally impressed I own a hybrid RAV4 hybrid I know this is a different system but I liked it all I needed to see is what you guys think before I pull the trigger it looks like I'm going to do it
This is what I would like to know more about. Does the usual tire size vs gearing concerns come into play on the 4Xe? Or is it using all that torque all the time from the electric motor to turn the wheels?
@@BrandonToone it has not been an issue from anyone I’ve known to upgrade the tires. The extra torque comes into play as needed and powers through any obstacle like a champ.
![Noob To Max With DRAGON REWORK In Blox Fruits [FULL MOVIE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LnBMOinoOvA/mqdefault.jpg)
I have a 4xE. when I go off-roading and scouting for animals, I use the gas when going uphill (E Save mode) and the battery on flat and downhill with the max brake regeneration on. You get hours of silent off-roading do this. The max regeneration mode also gives you a one pedal experience. You rarely have to touch the break to get the vehicle to slow down. Love it!
Brake
Id like to see a 4xe battery fire on the trails
Exactly
So the 4xe still burns through battery going downhill on trails? Otherwise I wouldn't want to have a fully-charged battery at the top.
Still have the 4xe? Been reliable?
This is literally television show quality, I love this channel.
TV SUCKS
This is perhaps the most real-life demonstration I have seen of 4Xe so far
This is a perfect example of why hybrid is the right idea for right now, it gives you the best of both worlds, and room to grow as battery tech continues to improve.
Battery tech has been worked on for over 100 years; it's not going anywhere, except to more battery fires and explosions. Check out what just happened in Australia with one of those super-battery stations. THAT is the future of EV batteries.
@@rayrussell6258 Correction: "Lead-Acid" battery tech has been worked on for over 100 years. Lithium batteries were first released to the public around 1991, and were very different than the lithium batteries we have now in EVs. Battery technology and safety has improved dramatically in the past 10 years alone. When's the last time you saw somebody's cell phone burst into flames?
The fire in Australia was comparable in size and scale to a house fire, had no fatalities or injuries, and was extinguished within a reasonably quick time frame. Over 7% of cars on the road today are electric or hybrid, and I personally haven't seen a single one catch on fire. Statistically, they're no more likely to catch on fire than any other vehicle.
On the other hand, fires and spills resulting from the extraction, transportation and storage and use of petroleum have had a massive fatality and environmental impact. I don't even need to get into the statistics on that one.
@@supersnot4 in spite of the change in material, batteries are still not up to much more than 20-25 miles range, honest range usually far less than stated range.
I don't dispute lead batteries are worse, but lithium is still unsatisfactory (and yes they do still catch fire), not really much progress made in vehicle range, and the US public doesn't realize it yet because they are too self-centered to make that connection until a bunch more of them waste their money on eV's and start talking about it. Word-of-mouth will end this fad.
Dedicated electrics have better range, but replacement cost of batteries is going to kill secondary market for the vehicles, and original owners will be stuck with them. These big heavy batteries also compromise passenger and cargo capacity, something else that consumers will complain about and start rejecting.
The fire in Australia took 7 fire companies 2 days to bring it under control, I think I read. I don't call that "reasonably quick"! And nobody was "in the house" at the time the fire started. The super-batteries were outside in a nest in open air. And the fire-fighters were unable to stop the first battery on fire from travelling to another adjacent super-battery and it caught on fire also.
Good thing it didn't happen in someone's house! Maybe in YOUR house or your neighbor's, with your kids and wife asleep while they/you let their/your car recharge in the garage at night.
I dispute your 7% on-road figure, Tesla hasn't sold that many cars. We have many tens of millions of vehicles on the road serving our US population of 335 million people, Tesla and other hybrids are a mere blip on that screen. Hybrids sold by other brands are languishing on new/used car lots and in auction houses, no one wants them. New car and truck sales this year are being skewed by the chip shortage, so wherever you get 7% is likely not steady state. Gasoline vehicle production has been bottle-necked, which would quickly reduce any comparison of eV's to gasoline if production went back to normal quicker. Tesla has no capacity to raise sales.
But there have been massive reports of fires to NHTSA already (whether you or I have seen them matters not, it is happening, getting reported, and lawyers are beginning to do class action lawsuits against companies) and fire departments all around the US are adopting "let it burn itself out" as the procedure for an Ev fire. It is too dangerous for fire personnel to get close to the burning vehicle, which often explodes as a secondary result of the fire. You are not informed sufficiently about eV's on the road.
Fires due to gasoline are generally the result of stupid human actions. With an eV, the fire can and does happen when doing legitimate things like re-charging. BIG difference.
We haven't had a Tesla battery plant explode yet, to add to wide scale injury/death statistics on that side of the ledger, but it will happen there or somewhere else. It's just a matter of time. When it happens, it will be like a fireworks factory exploding.
However the main issue with eV's is they are inconvenient in real-world use. That hasn't changed but a smidgen in over a 100 years.
@John Dillermand lol, so says CNN and those light in the loafers and brains types who promote eV's --- who look at tiny starting point/base range numbers and try then to use percentage change instead of real numbers to promote range improvement; in reality they've gone from maybe 22 up to 25 miles range in that time frame; in absolute numbers (3) that's basically NO CHANGE in my book! full electrics do better but the ridiculously high cost of the battery to do that is not sustainable in this market beyond the well-healed first line of elitist buyers; this is already evident in the number of unsold new and used hybrids sitting on dealer car lots and in the big regional auction clearing house locations in the US; used buyers are especially resisting hybrids and will resist full electrics even more; they are all too expensive to maintain and very inconvenient in real life.
YOU might be impressed by 3 miles more range in 20 years, but real honest normal working people look down at all that flim-flam. They are perfectly happy with gasoline engine cars with 400 - 500 mile range. In comparison, batteries with 25 mile range is a joke.
But they're not ready to hear that yet
Roman's look on his face at the end when Tommy took the driver's seat was priceless 🤣 😂
Two videos I've watched with you guys on Red Cone and you haven't shown the decent from the summit. That drop is what makes Red Cone an iconic trail! Keep up the good work
This Jeep will be great for hunting. It will take sneaking into the area to a new level.
I was waiting for a comment like this one ! XD
Jeep continues to impress me. I love my Jeep Rubicon.
C'est une voiture u incroyable... J'ai d'ailleurs moi aussi fait un essai avec cette voiture !
Wow. That jeep is cool. Jeep really stepped up to take the spotlight off of the bronco. I love Saturday morning TFL just like I did Saturday morning cartoons as a kid.
Colorado is beautiful, another thing your channel accomplishes is showing these great views! 4XE is really nice, especially as gas prices rise!
I've been waiting for Wrangler 4xe content! Will watch anything you do on this vehicle
Growing up, my neighbor had one of these, but it was much smaller... so small that half of his body would stick out of the top, even though he was only 5 years old.
You got me in the first half.
LMAO
I have to say, that 4Xe was pretty impressive. Thanks for a really good video!
How much regen did you get on the way down? Really curious what the SOC was at the bottom. Awesome vid! I'm dreaming of one of these in my garage now
You won’t regret it. I can’t go back to gas.
Stopped by to ask the same thing. People want to know. 😊👍🏼
As a 4XE owner, the regen brakes are a killer feature for long decent both off-road and down mountain grade, they offer far better control than mechanical brakes. The most I have gained back on charge is 10% and 20 miles. The 15% of the battery is reserved for hybrid operations, the 4XE does not report the charge in reserve.
@@jzconcepts Do you have hybrid mode economy figures?
I went down from lookout mountain in Chattanooga and never hit the brake or accelerator. Just using Max Regen I had almost 35% battery after a 15 minute descent. Free charging.
Man I wish I got along that well with my dad growing up. Good for you guys. I mean I'm sure driving beautiful vehicles and getting paid for it helps LOL but credit where credit is due. Good father right there
Took mine off-road today. Awesome/Loved it and I’m lifted on 37s!
Tell me more about it on 37’s. What’s your normal highway mileage like?
@@elusda 20-24 highway (I don’t do a ton of highway driving) but more importantly 20 in the city.
I’d like to see what kind of off road range this Jeep gets if you do the same trail but do it in 2WD from the start only putting it in 4WD when absolutely necessary. It takes a lot of energy to turn all four wheels and a lot of trails can be driven in 2WD most of the time so I’d guess that you could get a significant increase in range.
So benefits I see of this
1. Most people would be able to run their entire commute on electricity if they wanted to.
2. you still have the option to go as far as you like on gasoline.
3. If you are a deer hunter you can get into the woods silently and not spook the deer.
"Most people..." I always love how people think their assumptions = "most people." My commute, on some days, was 102 miles one way for a specific client. To my office was 18 miles one way. Deer hunting in the western U.S. states, you're going to drive more than three miles off-road, and you're still going to hike to find mule deer.
When I was little I had a jeep power wheels. Everything old becomes new again
Even though it is heavier, I think the even weight distribution of the 4xe (engine in the front and battery in the back) might have helped with some of the off road capability. It seemed like the 4xe had far less wheel slip then other vehicles I've seen in these videos.
Fantastic video. Definitely my favorite Wrangler except for perhaps the 392. But I think it would be fantastic to drive through the forest in silence.
I would like to have seen the downhill stretch. It would have been interesting to see how much power you could regen going back down that steep grade. Would have been fascinating if you could regained a significant percentage of it. That would make a lot of the uphill trip essentially free.
What’s the regen like? Did you see any power recovery going downhill?
I'm guessing the regen ability is a lot more efficient at paved road speeds. Not saying you wouldn't get some regen, but crawling down at low speed is not going to generate a lot of power. These generators are focused towards gleaning a bit off of higher RPM. They aren't going to be too efficient at grabbing low RPM power from crawling down a steep grade dead slow. At least, this is my guess. And it's a good question, but I think the engineers will have designed the generators to be most efficient at higher speeds, talking a bit out of each revolution, rather than the problematic task of taking a lot out of each revolution, which would create other problems and complications. Databyter
Regen in my 4xe Rubi is good down hill.
@@jzconcepts Of course. But offroad at a few mph stop and go, probably not so much.
@@Databyter
A direct drive EV sure. But it appears they were crawling up in first and second gear. A gear reduction unheard of in many EVs.
@@wzDH106 Either way my point is still true. The electric generation is likely not too efficient under offroading conditions, even downhill. It is optimized for road conditions and higher speeds. It may not even kick in at crawling speeds, regardless of transmission or direct drive. Databyter
Would be interesting to know how much elevation you gained on this trip? I know that my Tesla’s range drops considerably going uphill - with quite a bit made up going back down. Is that a stat you can share?
That was pretty impressive. I'm not a Jeep fan, not that they're not good. Just not my thing. You have to give them credit though. A solid front axle and refining the same basic vehicle isn't a bad thing. Just like Porsche with the 911. I would like to know how much regen you guys got on the way down.
One of my favorite videos to date. The cinematography and the music at the end were perfect!
4xe is so awesome! You guys are the best at this! Maybe some day I can come to your neck of the woods and do some wheeling! Bucketlist kind of thing!
The video is awesome, great quality work, love the channel. Mine did 2049 mile on pavement + dirt and after that died. Now sitting in the shop since 2 months.
Can't wait for the future when you can get 200 miles in all electric offroad! The silent off-roading is SO COOL!
Yeah, i'm glad my f150's 2.7 is very quiet, but if i could shut it off that would be awesome. Still have tire noise to scare wildlife away, but every bit helps!
im not worried if a cybertruck can get up a 5 mile trail. even at 80% range reduction that leaves 60 miles of range. this trail was 5 miles. and one question i have is if they could do some of it in 2h or 4h to have a better gear ratio and get better range.
@Frugal Family Living thanks for math break down, Nerd! Do you feel better now that we all know that the arbitrary number I put in my comment is not possible.🤓
Rivian
You sir are one of the most fortunate man in the world. You are off-roading with your son making videos for a living. Emphasis on " with your son" you are envied. Blessings.
I loved seeing the high elevation footage. I’m heading out to the Collegiate Peaks in a couple of weeks. I look forward to seeing those summer rain/sleet/hail storms roll through in the afternoon. I’m so tempted to make a 4Xe my next vehicle. 🤔😬
you have too much money if you still want one of these, after watching this video "fail".
just buy the gas only, might as well since that's all you'll really use anyway.
Just imagine maintaining all this electric nonsense after 5 or more years...🤑🤑🤑
@@dmitrydk92 maybe $10K just to replace a battery on a full electric
Non of what the other comments is true in my case. I have a plug in hybrid vehicle, it’s 6 years old, over 100k miles and it runs just like it did when i got it. It’s a fusion Energi, not lacking in power at all, I pretty much use the EV as a boost and don’t drive it economically. I’m making 48mpg. Plug in hybrids are great, you get the best of both worlds. Definitely look into it. This keep looks cool!
@@Cecil_33 to be clear about this, you drive it as if it is a gas engine vehicle, limiting your use in electric mode.
Personally I would not pay for 2 powertrains (and maintain both when they get aged, a period like you are now entering).
Let us know what your repair costs are in a year or two. You might be changing your tune by then.
Glad it is a Ford, you made the best choice there ..... Jeep hybrid system is Fiat-based originally, and most of us know what Fiat quality is like.
Who ever is doing you back ground score deserves a raise. The music on this video and the Ev Porsche off road video is epic.
I'm glad you were cautious. We need you guys!
What an awesome trail and video. I own both a Gladiator Rubicon and a Sahara 4xe. I really wish that Jeep would put the 4xe power plant into the Gladiator. The combination of turbo and electric power is second to none. I would love to have a 392 but it certainly won't get close to 30mpg. I had a red V6 2018 Rubicon similar to what you guys drove. In both stock and with a 3" Teraflex lift, the Rubicon was amazing off road, stock height/stock wheels, stock height/35" wheel, and lifted with 35's. I have just over 2500 miles and yesterday filled up the 4xe for my 3rd tank of gas. CRAZY!! Yes, you can say I love my Jeeps! :D (Btw, on a good day, the Gladiator will get around 18mpg. :/)
Put it in select-speed (crawl control) and the ‘herkey jerkey’ goes away. It comes with all the 4xe’s as standard.
Fantastic video!!! Thanks guys I cant wait to get one in about a month. Also loved the drone takes, what drone are you guys using?? Best! PS I so miss Colorado minus the hailstorms of course LOL
I’m curious how much battery would be regenerated by going down that from an empty battery. If you used 4.5 kWh per mile up the mountain, would the net of going up and downhill be 2.2 kWh per mile? That would assume negligible scavenging, but I would that it could recover a fair amount. Was the Tesla consumption uphill only as well?
There's no such thing as a free lunch
I'd guess 50% would be regenerated down...but who knows until they test it.
@@markparent7999 you will at the most get 5 percentage back driving downhill nothing super huge,
if you can't make it to the top of the trail, I somehow doubt it matters much if you get 2 or so regen coming down. Still can't get you home. (2/17 * 26 range max = about 2-3 miles).
These electric things are just flat out DOA, or should be.
@@rayrussell6258 That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You have no idea what you are talking about. It's embarrassing. That vehicle has a range of 370 miles. Did you even watch any of this video? They clearly made it to the top. And then back home. STFU
Roman & Co...I think you do the best and most fun car/truck/motorcycle reviews on RUclips. This is another of the great reviews you provide. Muy bien!
Does it regenerate power on a decent or braking ?
One advantage you have in the Jeep with the electric aux motor is the ability to let an overheated on the trail vehicle cool off while running in electric. Thats the aspect that interests me the most..In California up a steep trail, you may tend to warm up. How good it would be to shut off the gasoline and switch to electric. you could run out of gas and have electric back up even if it was only 10 miles, that's a heck of a walk along the trail. C'mon guys get creative with your videos. I think your suffering from too many channels.. lol Seriously no one is talking about all the additional benefits of that particular Jeep setup..
It would be helpful to give us the exact elevation at the bottom and top of the EV run. For every 1000 ft of elevation gain in a ~5300 lb vehicle, you're going to use about 2 kWh just to overcome gravity.
According to Google, it's a 3,090' gain in elevation.
@@d.shanerose1729 Yeah but we don't know how much of it they did on battery.
@@13x they did 3.4 miles all electric. Granted, the big steep climb was done with the gas engine.
The trail, though, is only about 6 miles total.
Also would like to see how much gas is used up the same trail in a comparable gas only Wrangler, see how much equivalent energy is used. Just for kicks
Roman got so poetic on this trip 😂 great video guys!
Very capable vehicle. Much more impressed with the plug-in hybrids than the all electric vehicles. Also curious about downhill regeneration. Awesome video!
One of my favorite videos from TFL. Great job guys!
Rumor has it, the camera person is still up there on that peak, waiting for a ride down.
I remember BFG used to have wheel edge guards on the A/Ts. Doesn’t look like they do that anymore
thos are useless
I'm sure that will buff out.
Does it get any regen? I'd've been curious to see how much range could be added on the way down.
Time traveller? as in able to comment 5 days before the video is released?
Damo I found one right here boys^
I’m interested in the regen as well.
Show me where you left the infinity stones
Time traveller???
How much of that trail could you have done in 4 high? Then switch to 4 low for when it's needed.
Kent I agree, I believe a lot of the trial could have been done in 2WD or 4H with no diff locks . Using 4WD when needed would have provided for a better test
Or an opportunity for another test
Since a big part of this was about how quiet it is, I wish we could have had a few minutes of no talking and no music, so we could experience it, too. If you get a chance to film some more with it, please do that. I really liked the few seconds here and there where you let us just listen to the cameras you mounted under it.
Incredible video, really love the extra nature cinematography. I really like this format, please do more
Really cool video, and top notch production guys! The drone footage was epic. I can't imagine living anywhere else but the Rockies! The Jeep also did an amazing job. The fact that you can buy from the factory a vehicle that capable boggles the mind.
Nice video. And that's hilarious about how long the last 1% lasts. I had a Fiat 500e and tried to finish off the battery once in the driveway. Got it down to 1% before I drove around the block again and pulled in and just turned in circles forever before I gave up and just plugged it in. The AC and heater wouldn't turn on but I could still drive in circles at 0%.
If TFL did not just raise the demand for the Wrangler 4xe by 10%+, than I’m secretly a unicorn!! That was phenomenal! The capability was proven. The sounds of nature. The beauty of the scenery. This would be very hard to beat! Unfortunately, this does not help me in my transition from a Jeep GC Trailhawk to a Wrangler 4xe at all… the prices continue to rise right along side the price of fuel. Great job TFL!!
Fantastic Video guys. My son is turning 30 this month, I so wish I had the opportunity to work with him. I know for Roman, the best part of the business.
I’d like to see you off-road this on the same trail you took your Model X on, and compare it for energy consumption. Maybe splice in the old video to do a side-by-side.
I really loved watching you to father and son on this video great video and scenery was excellent great driving!
One thing to keep in mind with designing any vehicle for mountain or desert off-reading, is that these situations are so rare in the scheme of the majority of use cases. The vast majority of buyers of these vehicles NEVER take them up the side of a 12k foot mountain. Even though the Jeep is clearly made for this 1% use cases, most people will be completely happy with getting 25 miles out of the battery, since they’ll be driving on road.
I wouldn't use the battery for off-road, personally. Use it for my commute and road driving.
But I also use my 4x4 for off-road.
But yeah, you nailed it.
Will be interesting to know the regen capacity and "engine" braking. Great video guys, waiting the Lightning (the Ford, not a thunderstorm on your heads up there 🤣🤣🤣). Greetings
@@Adam_Rosenberg91 You cannot recharge eV's safely at home overnight due to very likely/probable fire risk, multiple brands are now having the same issue and soon will be defending themselves in court; I recommend you do NOT think you can rely on home-charging while you sleep.
where I live all commutes are over 20 miles one-way; these eV's are being targeted at city slickers but in reality they will keep you penned up in your city if you buy one.
If my daily use was sub- 10 miles, I'd just ride a bicycle and save the $40K.
@@rayrussell6258 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!! OMG just stop with this embarrassing shit
@@rayrussell6258 Put down the bong and step away from it.
Charge outside away from the house, or in a detached garage, if you're scared of charging fires.
Charging infrastructure is growing. This is also a hybrid, with combustion-engine capability. It's not strictly an EV, like a Tesla is.
Nice drone video, I feel I was watching Lord of the Jeeps.
dope drone shots man that last bit going up the top
I don't know about your experience, but I have seen my milage in gas vehicle go down from 21 to about 10 and that wasn't going up a mountain This is just narrow rough trails with occasional hills. So its no surprise the battery range went down that much while going up a mountain. As we all know miles don't count off road. Its hours of running. I can easily burn half a tank of gas off road in 10 hours of driving but only did a 100 miles. How far do you drive in 10 hours on road? I really would like to see how well it would do just driving on mostly level rough trails.
I have a 4xe Rubicon and just got back from a trip to Silverton CO. I did Ophir from the Ouray side and from paved road to paved road I was in 4-lo. Started with 92%. At the pass summit I was at 22%, and going down into Ophir I picked up 11% so I was up to 33% when I got back on to pavement. I think the entire trail is 11miles and I was able to do it all in electric mode. Not a flat trail but not as extreme as Red Cone.
@@wp7718 that's impressive! I wish they would have mentioned how much charge they regained going down Red Cone.
Btw, what was your mileage like on the paved portion of your road trip?
@@wp7718 being able to power up a camping spot in the boonies is going to be priceless.
@@djw1091994 on the trip from Denver to Silverton I got 25.0MPG. I was in Silverton for a week running trails daily. At the end of the entire trip when I got home I had averaged 24.9MPG 857 mi total. I was staying at a house where I could plug in overnight so I did start out each day with a full charge. The 24.9 avg includes all the off-road. My 2014 JK that this replaced would’ve been lucky to avg 14mpg on a trip like that. FYI longer trips where I only get 1 charge to start I seem to get that 24-25mpg range. But when I’m home most of my travel is within the range so I can get 1000mi out of a tank.
@@lightman489 You can’t really access the high voltage batteries. So you’d have to add an inverter to the 12v system. But that gets charged from the high voltage via dc-dc charging. So if you saved your charge for the camp site you’d have a lot of power. I’m looking forward to the aftermarket options to tap into the high voltage so it’s more efficient.
really enjoyed video been looking at getting this as a daily driver i live in michigan so you know anything can happen up here weather wise road wise would be nice to have something that can tactical it all when i need it and you guys prove that in this video no hesitation going to get one thanks for great video fellas
Future is now. Great video!
Greetings from Perú!
HELLO from 'OZ'! (Australia)
You should have mentioned the elevation gain in your stats on e range only. Moving a huge heavy object straight up is going to use some energy.
How come you never show the most exciting part of Redcone. . .the steep descent from the top to Webster Pass?
I wonder if one can drop an auxiliary powerbank into the luggage area or instead of the rear seats to extend the range.
This is a real tech show with fantastic content. And yes, hybrids are the best option for off-roading. Thanks for all what you are doing.
Nice Jeep for sure was very Impressed!
LOL Redcone is fun day I was wondering why Tommy was getting nervous. That part of the trail is a heart pumper for sure and cameras can never do it justice but trust me folks it's a long way down and scary and once you get to the top. That saying what goes up must come down is true here and the next drop is no walk in the park either you are looking practically straight down then you go through websters pass. If like wheeling and you are not scared of High elevation, narrow trails, and steep descent plus the immense beauty of it all this is a fun trail
we need a trail like this near philly. this looks like so much fun
An epic little video. I'm gonna download music like that and play when I get to my destination.
I'd like to see a Hybrid mode test to show the mileage, which I don't think has been done yet.
I really like the idea behind this, but I worry about how well a system like this will age.
I don't know about the 4xe, but I own a 2012 Volt. Aged pretty well, still get 25 or so mile of range (new is 35). I drive about 20 minutes each way to town, can't remember when I last bought gas. Even when I did, it was only about 2 gallons! Love it!
You guys are my favorite to watch. Appreciate you guys!
Just did St. Johns to deer creek and Santa Fe last week ....
Have you ever took midfork back down to breck or up from breck?
Wondering if that's simple to follow? Back down to tiger road....
What a great video. I have not particularly wanted a Wrangler before now, but this was way cool! My daily driver and part-time off-roader is a 2015 Jeep GC Diesel Overland, with Rocksliders, Offroad Adventure II Pkg (Electronic LSRD), and lotsa extra bash plates a-la Chief Products (Australia). My next mod will be a winch, But I could see replacing my Diesel GC with that 4xe (unless my buddy sells me his G-Wagen!). What a cool ride! Thanks for sharing your experience with the rest of us!
So did you buy the 4xe or g wagon really curious 😂
I like the 3 camera split at ~33:30. A great video as always. I wonder how far you could go if you turned around at 1% and went down hill regenning?
Look at those land rover air bags at 13:26. They look pretty vulnerable. I'd hate to get a flat.
It's a hybrid so I'd be more interested in seeing how it combines the two power sources for off-road use, is the transitions between elec and petrol power smooth
yes they had an opportunity to compare all electric vs hybrid driving characteristics but they didn't.
Lol, being a "flat lander"/Kansan for 57 years now. I found it funny you talking "above tree top" during a lightning storm. IN Kansas you are always above tree line and most of the time ARE the tallest thing in a lightning storm!( and don't stand under a tree during a lightning storm).
I honestly kind of impressed by the 3.4 miles off road. While it’s definitely not ideal, it is a good starting point. I can’t wait to see what the dedicated ev manufacturers can come up with in the next few years. Dumb question about the 4xe - will it charge the battery while running the gas engine or does it charge only from the regen system? Also is there an ability to bump up the regen for hill descent control?
This was a super fun video to watch! Great job everyone!
This thing is AWESOME. Good Job FCA!
3.4 miles is kind of impressive. I’m still looking forward to a fully electric jeep one day like the magneto. In a few years when these start showing up on the used market, I may one day pick one up if my credit is worth a damn by then.
Really enjoying the hybrid,phevs,& evs content that you Guys have been putting out.
Amazing drone footage near the end of the video! 🏞️ Great job, TFL crew! 👍
I saw one of those signs headed up to South Colony Lakes outside of Westcliffe, CO. I did it in a 2005 Outback :-), only scraped front bumper a little bit.
For me my 4xe worked out perfectly since I work 4 mi from home ,I gone 3 weeks without putting gas in my 4xe !!!
🤔 as an Uber Driver in a 3.6 jk I’m very intrigued! Really cool, but How do you fix it on the trail?? Maintenance issues long term?? I digress, Hybrid eco-diesel please!!
Id really like to see some MPG loops with the 4xE in Hybrid mode.
I love y’all’s videos. Y’all have come a long way!!
Sounds just like those little electric Barbie Jeeps that we drove around in the yard when I was 10. Amazing camera work as always, thanks!
Wooww! Very Impressive the articulation of the Jeep, never let the ground! 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
I love the sounds that exploding dead dinosaurs make... But I love the instant torque and power zeus can give us
This was amazing content! Love you guys. Tommy looked terrified in the end haha! Glad you guys made it out alive !
Cool adventure, guys. I LOVE my 4xe Rubi. Makes me want to take my 4xe to Colorado!
3.4 miles distance on battery alone. How long (time wise) did that take?
And how much battery regenerated during decent?
Thank you for your videos!
It would seem drive time would be a pretty important bit of info to have.
All uphill means very little regen.
This thing is awesome. I am curious if you did the same trail using gas only how much gas would it take?
Lol that dad out of breath as he is terrified of lightning 🤣😂 far from his dirt bike days indeed🤣😂 it would be nice for jeep to bring back the indestructible I6
Beautiful shots from the drone near the end
This one was a good one guys. I really enjoyed it, keep them coming!
I understand there is some losses for the electric motor to turn all the gears in the transmission and transfer case…..
But I like the way the electric motor runs through the transmission so that the automatic can pic the right gear.
So the load non the electric motor doesn’t have to work very hard running in low range.
It’s a good setup.
I drove the 4xe Rubicon and was totally impressed I own a hybrid RAV4 hybrid I know this is a different system but I liked it all I needed to see is what you guys think before I pull the trigger it looks like I'm going to do it
I have the 4xe Rubicon on 35” with a 2.5” lift and I have been AMAZED at how capable it is in every way.
This is what I would like to know more about. Does the usual tire size vs gearing concerns come into play on the 4Xe? Or is it using all that torque all the time from the electric motor to turn the wheels?
@@BrandonToone it has not been an issue from anyone I’ve known to upgrade the tires. The extra torque comes into play as needed and powers through any obstacle like a champ.