The factor you are forgetting is the Jeep 4xE is a hybrid using the electric engine to generate over 400lb torque instantly. That also gives it a performance boost in speed. Electric engines instant torque always gives it a advantage in instant speed. Not a fair comparison to a truck with a gas engine.
@@Captndarty First off, drag racing these heavy 4x4’s is silly (but TFL can do whatever)… doesn’t matter 2-3 seconds difference, these vehicles are rock crawlers.?🤷♂️
If 3 cars went up the mountain the day before AND one didn't make it AND we see both the Jeep and the Bronco alive and kicking the following day it is pretty clear that the Defender bite the dust.
I was personally considering a new drag car and these three were the final competitors for my money. Thank you for making my decision that much easier!
No offense, but my 10 year old BMW X5 weighs the same 5,200 lbs. Your truck isn't as heavy as you might have thought compared to other vehicles. But 5,200 lbs. is going to be a weakness for the bronco off road.
And Ford says the 2.7 is more than enough power for the car 😂😂 I knew Ford was full of crap from the day they announced the engine options. Hopefully they (at minimum) introduce the 3.5 Ecoboost since my dreams of a 5.0 coyote being in one of these seems to be a far fetched dream
4 auto? Did you hear tires squealing?! The jeep didn’t have that problem. Maybe there’s san underneath forcing a voided warranty or maybe the hard top is falling apart or maybe the soft top is sagging and rubbing off all the paint or maybe the wiring burned up or maybe the motor seized. Those are all things that have happened with real bronco owners jeeps so far, some in very large quantities. Dont believe me? Check the forums
@@HossainM car & driver had the 2.7L V6 in 2 door get to 60mph on just 6.3 seconds. So the 4 door should be able to do 6.5 seconds. So even a mile above sea level it should do less than 8.0 seconds. They are doing something wrong, or something is wrong with their model.
LOL Funny, So you are surprised!!??. Were you expecting a different Result!!??. 375HP vs 330 with an Instant acceleration assist from electric motor!.?. ONLY a Boob would have been thinking otherwise.. FYI I will take the Bronco any day over that Unreliable Junker from FCA or who over owns that Bitch called chrysler these days.
@@lanceislateagain The 4xe has 375hp and 470lb ft of torque and weighs 5200lbs. The Bronco with Sasquatch package weighs a similar amount with 310 hp and 400lb ft of torque. From the numbers, the Jeep should win.
@@JAMESWUERTELE I literally just saw a 30 year old Bronco that looked cleaner than that FJ on my way to the car wash this morning. It’s rare that I see an old Toyota let alone a clean one. Outside the odd Camry, I never see 90s Toyota’s roaming about.
Wow, that Bronco seemed really slow for some reason. Car & Driver tested a two door First Edition with Sasquatch package ( I know, a little lighter) and got a 0-60 time in the 6 second range. I can't believe the little extra weight would make such a big difference in times. I understand that TFL is at a higher altitude but that doesn't affect turbocharged vehicles as much.
Remember it's Roman driving the Bronco. He's extremely biased against the Bronco and he's old. I'm not saying he intentionally tanked this test...but everyone else testing the exact build is several seconds faster, not 6 seconds though.
They do awesome testing but it’s always under ideal situations: Light weight drivers, no gas, prepped race surface, we’ve even heard of extreme speed measures like neutral drops! Keep in mind we’re powered by Donuts and McDonalds so a little chunkier than your typical racing driver ;)
@@jeffdillon7202 your comment is phrased as if you clearly didn’t watch video. “Bronco will be slow” One with electric motor has advantages of max power at zero rpm. I watched a video where bronco annihilated 4xe off-road and even proved to be more comfortable driving on streets based on the channels extensive head to head lol
Love it when Roman always says “bye bye” and barley wins hahaha dads……gotta love them. That’s a terrible time by the Ford. No biggie we know the Defender didn’t make it.
According to the owner’s manual, the 2021 Bronco does require a break-in period. For the first 1,000 mi (1,600 km), Ford recommends you avoid driving at high speeds, braking heavy, shifting aggressively, or using your vehicle to tow. I do not understand how you guys do not disclose this info.
@Hey Buddy not saying that, just saying that the vehicle has a limiter in place so therefore the Bronco is not using its full potential. To be honest these vehicles are for off-roading not racing.
I "was" a huge new bronco fan until I saw this! 10.2 0-60 on the Bronco with the 2.0L Jeep over 3 seconds quicker? What a absolute TURD in the power department. Big fan of the 2.7 Eco tho as installed one in a 1966 F100 4x4. Bronco being 5200 lb just too big n heavy for the engine. Needs a 5.0 TwinTurbo for starters . .
@@jonathanallen8236 Maybe, so far so good. My 2018 F150 had 13 recalls and I babied it compared to this thing so far. Going to do the Rubicon trail in a few weeks then hopefully I’ll have some crow for you to eat.
@@mikes.8305 Don’t get me wrong I love Jeeps, but the only engine I would have in a JL is the 3.6. The most basic with fewest things to break. No turbos electric motors. I wish they still didn’t have direct injection. As a mechanic seeing all of the failures with the latest tech I decided it just wasn’t for me.
@@jonathanallen8236 Yep the 6 is a solid choice, and definitely the safe bet. For me this is a daily driver as well as a off reader and I’m enjoying my 24mpg and my 2k all electric miles. I think the V6 would be a great choice for people who are worried about breaking.
Tring to figure out how they managed to make that Turbo V6 basically go the same speed as a naturally aspirated FJ V6 that would have about half the real world HP at that elevation.
Imagine you had a RUclips channel and like the other men out there, if you needed to put advertisements in your video too. Would you choose to advertise something popular with high reward or something "cooler" in your subjective mind?
Man. Ima miss the sounds of v8's one day. All this turbo v6 n electric. I know they perform better but idk. Just driving a v8 getting 12 miles per gallon. Life just seems so good
Electric vehicles are pie in the sky. Will never happen once everyone realizes the damage to the environment and the infrastructure to enable a single Electric vehicle for even just 50% of the country, let alone two or more per household...
Seems to me Ford may have a good amount of torque management at play. I drove a 2.7L demo bronco and it felt strong but it’s just not turning out to be as quick as it is in the F150. Interested to see how a non Sasquatch 2.7 performs for science. Sasquatch would still be an option I’d want though. I’m guessing tuning will eventually do a lot for the 2.7L. In the short drive I had, normal acceleration felt good and strong while hard acceleration felt quite acceptable. With the 4.70 gears and 10 speed they have to be limiting torque in at least first gear and maybe second in the name of powertrain longevity IMO.
I’m with you. I drove the 2.7 Wildtrack and it felt pretty strong and had great throttle response. I think the Torque management is really at play here. I think C/D did all of their 0-60 testing in 2nd gear.
Na. 4 auto, traction off, and manual mode starting in 2nd gear while break torquing. It is geared shorter and has way more torque down low so starting it in 2nd makes it quicker 0-60.
Weight, gearing, one has an electric motor so 100% torque. Now having said all that, I would buy the Bronco. The thought of having to replace that battery at 10 years and paying like 7-10k to have it done doesn't excite me. I personally couldn't care less about quarter mile times in these vehicles.
@@SteveMichael I doubt you’ll have to change the battery at 10 years, hybrid probably closer to 20, I don’t see it costing 7-10k either lol, just look at the older hybrid Toyota Prius’ on the road.
A few months ago all we heard from ford guys is how fast the bronco is and how underpowered and slow jeeps are. The 2.7 is gonna be a monster they said lol. Well here we go past 2 days youtube is full of videos of jeep jl 3.6 walking the new bronco turbo 4 cyl. And now the "awsome" 2.7 got smoked. I will say im suprised how slow it was.
Honestly, I was one of the people thinking the bronco was gonna be quicker than the wrangler, not because I'm a bronco fan boy by any means, I'm more of a jeep guy (my current wrangler is a 3.6 2 door JL). I just figured the ifs and HP/torque numbers on paper were a bigger deal than they actually are, I also thought the bronco was gonna be a lot lighter than it actually is though too. I'm a little bummed that I was personally wrong but I'm also a little happy that my preferred vehicle is winning these little races lol.
I own a wrangler 4xe Sahara and was expecting the twin turbo 2.7 bronco to mostly keep up with the rubicon because of engine displacement and weight advantages but once I was truly surprised by the results against the FJ I knew it was all over at that point for the bronco against the 4xe.
Hi great job as usual. The matchup I'd like to see is the 4xe vs Bronco Raptor. Also I have discoverd 4 high auto mode in the 4xe removes the torque management off the line. You can foot brake it and it launches really good.
@@hunterdan2002 I agree, a 2.7 f150 is crazy, this really doesn't make sense, maybe they weren't using premium fuel and possibly ford is de tuning them for the break in period?
@@hunterdan2002 I thought they said it was the turbo four, I might have just misheard though. If it is that’s just embarrassing, wouldn’t be the first fordgineering to goof it though
If u we’re running the 4xe in 2h then try again in 4h auto or full. 2h in my 4xe really incorporates a torque management limitation in 1st and 2nd gear, where 3rd pulls the strongest. Some of that seems eliminated in 4h auto at least so that’s my “sport mode” when I need it.
For the ones without the upgraded 4wd auto transfer case from factory , if you ram it in 4wd Hi wouldn’t it slow you done in the long run? Actually curious
4xe might still hold its own due to turbo and electric motors mostly nullifying their test sites mile high altitude. But the 392 would crush absolutely destroy the others at most people’s near sea level altitude.
At 100K miles the FJ Cruiser is just starting its life (have 240K miles on one). How's all that tech in the Jeep and Bronco going to make out at 100K plus miles? Good luck with that...
Surprise, surprise! The typical Toyota fan boy bringing reliability into the conversation because that's the only candle you can hold. I'm sure the Jeep and Bronco will be fine at 100k+ miles. Will they have more repairs than the Toyota? Absolutely!. But, I'd rather sacrifice a little reliability for a vehicle that is more capable, more modern, and way more fun to drive.
well it has an electric motor and a battery on it... about 2 years ago you jeep guys only had the 2 liter turbo and v6 which both have no balls at all. I dont understand why people need an off road vehicle to be super fast. Car and Driver got the First edition bronco with the sasquath package to 60 in 6.3 seconds, mostly because of the tires and how its geared for off roading not winning races. so if you were to get a bronco with out the sasquatch package and not the wiltrack trim this bronco is probably like 5.9 seconds. i dont know about you but 6.2-6.3 seconds with a vehicle that has huge nobby tires on it isnt bad at all. But what do i know?
4xe needs to be in 4high-auto, and the engine needs to be on (you can do that by briefly throwing it in manual). 6 seconds is possible, in the 5’s has even been achieved if you know how to get the most out of the 4xe.
@@danjohanis you don’t even need a full battery. Even when it’s depleted, it can use the 15% battery reserve for launch. Glad to hear you’re enjoying it!
From what I have read, you guys should have put the Wrangler 4xe into 4WD Auto Mode. Car and Driver was reporting a 60-mph time at 5.5 second. If the 4xe was in two-wheel-drive mode, they were seeing torque throttle and it'd be about 1.3 seconds slower.
I finally saw a Bronco for the first time in real life yesterday and my LORD That thing is Enormous!!! Even side by side with the FJ Cruiser, makes the Toyota look like a toy. 3:24
I saw it in person yesterday and frankly it wasn’t that big to me. More importantly though I thought the design was better suited for the 2 door version, not 4 door.
With the Olympics going on I think TFL needs to host an Olympics of offroaders. I'm thinking something around how 90% of the population will use them. You have a towing competition, a 0-60 red light blast off, 60-0 stop, grocery run(how many bags in back), road trip how many ppl plus luggage can you fit it it, home depot run- how plywood sheets can you fit on the roof. Offroad time trial, race around a race track. Add up the medal count and give a Olympic champion.
that's not how it works... the electric motor still goes through a transmission- your comment assumes all electric motors have equal torque regardless of size- and that said tq is sufficient to move a 6000 lb jeep on raw power- which is not the case. research the engineering and mechanics of it if you need to know more.
@@smeglin1 as I said before. Instant torque. I do not assume that all electric motors have equal torque (it's not a Tesla obviously) but the amount of torque it does, have even though it still goes through the transmission and the Jeep is heavy, is still instant and sufficient enough to get it going faster than just a petrol engine would. You assume I know nothing of how it works
I've seen the 2.7L bronco listed at something like 6.0sec to 60, up a mile maybe drops 1 to 1.5 sec, but you guys were around 10sec right? Wow, wonder what's going on. Same power plant in my F150 goes like stink, but I've never timed it, just know it feels fast enough, but I'm basically at sea level. Guessing that gearing had a lot to do with it as well. Looking forward to the off-road videos!👍
Probably the least-surprising result ever -- the 4xE Jeep beating the Bronco. LOL. That electric motor in the Jeep throws down all its torque at 0 RPM, whereas the Bronco has to build up torque at higher revs, like any other turbocharged gasoline engine. What *was* surprising is the 0-60 time of that Jeep at 6,000-feet above sea-level. 7 seconds?!! And that's REAL 0-60, not "leave out the first foot of travel" 0-60, too. Very VERY impressive for such a heavy vehicle at such high altitude.
@@CorePathway Yep, proud red hat owner and a healthy 50 year old male, so not scared of the China sniffles either, and I also drive turbo diesels as well. You notice my complaint was twin turbo. Owned two 6.0L power strokes and a 6.7L power stroke. Skipped over the 6.4L (twin turbo) that had tons of problems.
@@0HOON0 I currently drive my wife's old 2003 liberty with 160k miles on it that we've done only routine maintenance and a radiator on when I'm not behind the wheel of my Peterbilt. My wife now drives a 2017 Wrangler with almost 80k that I've done nothing but oil changes on.
Wow tommy did all he could not to spoil the video in the preview and it was just spoiled in this one lol. The defender broke of course considering you did the off-road one first and it’s not at the race
Years ago, while working for Mitsubishi, I drove a 3000GT twin turbo in Denver Colorado. My first impression was that the vehicle was way under powered, for a twin turbo, and wasn't worth the money. It wasn't until I drove one in Michigan that I realized that the high altitude was dramatically affecting the performance. High altitude affects NA and turbo engine more than one might expect!
ruclips.net/video/Mvsagq8g35c/видео.html Not that it's everything, but that's a stock Wrangler vs a Wrangler on 35s and you can see that in the quarter mile it makes a pretty big difference.
@@mattbrew11 no, it has nothing to do with the Jeep winning, I expected that, electric motors are unaffected by altitude. It has to do with the disparity between the F-150 2.7 and the Bronco 2.7 running very differently.
Wow a turbo charged engine vs a none turbo engine. 😂😂😂😂. Of course Turbo's will win. 😂😂😂😂. Not a fair race. That's a 1 sided race. Like a high school kid running a preschool kid in a race. 😂😂😂😂.
@@lincolnls0416 the 2.7 ecoboost in the bronco is twin turbo. So its turbo vs turbo plug in hybrid. The only edge wrangler had was an electric motor for extra torque.
TFL - Can you investigate the acceleration times of the Bronco? I saw some places claiming a 5.9 second 0-60, but no one has really gotten close to that in real life. Was that done with the two door with smallest tires (base version)? I'm curious, as a few videos I've found seem to indicate that it's no where near as quick as hinted originally. Unless something is wrong? Some sort of preservation for the drive train?
5.9 is for the bronco sport.some web sights just copy and others results and not list their source. the 2.7 in edge that wieghs 700 pounds less does 6.1. 0 to 60.
Ford is slow... I know Ecoboost cut back on timing if you are using anything other than +91 octane gas. Is it a possibility that it has 87 octane in the tank?
And the Bronco was for sure in sport mode? Also I wonder if there’s torque limiting of some kind under so many miles when new? I went and drove a 2.7 Bronco and while it wasn’t lightning fast it was spunky in sport mode.
Yeah, regardless of who wins this drag race, the relatively-simple and bulletproof Toyota powertrain will undoubtably remain trouble-free for many more miles than the other two.
That 4XE can do under 6 seconds all day. Biggest issue is 2H. In 2H they cut the power tremendously at lower speeds. My biggest complaint about it. But the 4XE has 4auto, which is brilliant, and where it should always be on the road.
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Where's the link to the test track? lol
The factor you are forgetting is the Jeep 4xE is a hybrid using the electric engine to generate over 400lb torque instantly. That also gives it a performance boost in speed. Electric engines instant torque always gives it a advantage in instant speed. Not a fair comparison to a truck with a gas engine.
All the excitement and significance of Sumo Wrestlers running a 100yd dash. 🥴
@@robertlucas9867 they know this. Many of their viewers don't.
Do you guys have a link or anything to donate to RMDH that lets them know you sent us?
Since the Defender isn’t drag racing it must be the Defender that broke on the trail.
No surprise there
Yep🤣
Its the oldest of the three and its the defender so probably
Shocker
more like broke on the road
I knew the defender was gonna be the one that broke lmao.
Lol me too
Ikr. I thought to myself: "Bet it was the Land Rover" when I saw the upload.
Driver was US, blown tyres not the Defenders fault
@@macsmith6216 they market it as an off road vehicle. They should have bigger tires on it.
@@macsmith6216 Grow up British cars except Mini are completely ass
Considering the age diff and HP disadvantage I think the little FJ was quite impressive. Superior braking from 8 year old 4x4.
I don’t think there’s anything impressive about the FJ. I think The bronco was quite unimpressive
Your probably right.
Isnt the FJ's technology 14 years old?
@@Captndarty First off, drag racing these heavy 4x4’s is silly (but TFL can do whatever)… doesn’t matter 2-3 seconds difference, these vehicles are rock crawlers.?🤷♂️
@@Captndarty The bronco has the largest tires. It's also the off-road king out of the 3 there. It's not meant for drag racing.
Okay, now we know it's the Defender that didn't make it down.
Ruht Rohhhh
If 3 cars went up the mountain the day before AND one didn't make it AND we see both the Jeep and the Bronco alive and kicking the following day it is pretty clear that the Defender bite the dust.
My Thoughts Exactly.
Burst tyres
Hopeless driver
I was personally considering a new drag car and these three were the final competitors for my money. Thank you for making my decision that much easier!
Toyota should reconsider FJ Cruiser revival to compete with.
and the Xterra for Nissan.
@@karlo9535 it should be!
Toyota has the 4Runner. Its due for a redesign next year.
not fj worse vehicle ever
That’s why they have the 4 runner now. Although, it would be cool if they had a wrangler/bronco competition.
3:45
Brian: “I almost had you!”
Toretto:” You almost had meeee?? You never had your car!”
Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should!
@@patchesohoulihan949 If you know, you know
Ask any racer, any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.
Do you guys draw straws to see who has to do the man scape commercial?
Thought the same thing 😂
Only Nathan can pull that off..........Imagine Roman talking about grooming his balls.......dude, senior citizens gotta manscape!!!!
Lmao!
Rock Paper Scissors
🤔 oh, I thought Nathan was the new official spokesman.
Just glad he wasn't wearing the Manscaped boxer/briefs when speaking. 🙈
That first edition Bronco weighs almost 500 lbs more than my F150 SuperCrew 4x4 with the 2.7L! Crazy!
No offense, but my 10 year old BMW X5 weighs the same 5,200 lbs. Your truck isn't as heavy as you might have thought compared to other vehicles. But 5,200 lbs. is going to be a weakness for the bronco off road.
@@mediocreman2 that bronco weighs 5200 pounds? That’s as much as my old fullsize dodge with gas in it lol that’s awful
How is it so heavy?
The next drag race with the Bronco needs to be with a Prius.
RAV 4 prime
Suzuki Vitara 1.6L
Suzuki Samuri!
It beat the FJ so yea
I have an 05 Prius... that POS is pretty quick!
You need to run 4 Auto, in Sport, & Traction Off to get the quickest acceleration. 10.2 is terrible even a mile above sea. Something is wrong.
And Ford says the 2.7 is more than enough power for the car 😂😂 I knew Ford was full of crap from the day they announced the engine options. Hopefully they (at minimum) introduce the 3.5 Ecoboost since my dreams of a 5.0 coyote being in one of these seems to be a far fetched dream
4 auto? Did you hear tires squealing?! The jeep didn’t have that problem. Maybe there’s san underneath forcing a voided warranty or maybe the hard top is falling apart or maybe the soft top is sagging and rubbing off all the paint or maybe the wiring burned up or maybe the motor seized. Those are all things that have happened with real bronco owners jeeps so far, some in very large quantities. Dont believe me? Check the forums
@@HossainM car & driver had the 2.7L V6 in 2 door get to 60mph on just 6.3 seconds. So the 4 door should be able to do 6.5 seconds. So even a mile above sea level it should do less than 8.0 seconds. They are doing something wrong, or something is wrong with their model.
They were not launching right. The 4xe would have won regardless but this was kinda dumb.
It's because ford opens the wastegate on there turbos all the way have to keep rpms up to keep boost. Plug those wastegates
Damn, given more track that 4Xe would’ve walked that bronco 5+ car lengths.
LOL Funny, So you are surprised!!??. Were you expecting a different Result!!??. 375HP vs 330 with an Instant acceleration assist from electric motor!.?. ONLY a Boob would have been thinking otherwise.. FYI I will take the Bronco any day over that Unreliable Junker from FCA or who over owns that Bitch called chrysler these days.
Actually with more distance, that would give the turbo vehicle a better chance.
@@ebnhahn1993 I will take Jeep any day over that Junk cheap ass ford pretender.
@@ebnhahn1993
I've never met a thinking boob.....🤔.....freaky.
@@cole9392 the jeep is turbocharged also......
Really excited you have a Bronco and Wrangler now, can't wait for videos to come!
ALWAYS wanted to see a race in 4L just to see what has what gearing..
They did that once with a gladiator rubicon and a gladiator Mojave
Could just check the ratio of the diffs and calculate tire size.
To get the full 6 seconds you need to put the 4xe in 4wd AUTO. It will engage the front axle off the line and act like an AWD and is much quicker.
Not all 4xe wranglers have 4wd auto. There two different transfer cases you can get from factory.
Damn! I thought the bronco would be quicker. Guess my FJ is a rocket 🤣
No kidding miss my FJ :( great car never felt under powered but didn't think that if would have a chance against eco boost
Its lighter so there's that
Bronco rocks! Can't wait to get mine. These fools can't drive plus I'm not buying to race. I want the superior SUV.
I bet he was racing that FJ in Drive instead of 3 smh.
Alright alright when's this Bronco getting the 5 Star Tuning treatment? I know that 2.7L Ecoboost has more beans than that.
It does but they're not driving It in sport, I have a feeling 🤔
Who cares about tuning. Stock vs stock Bronco got beat. End of conversation.
I could be wrong, but doesn't weight and aerodynamics factor in? It's 5200 pounds, just 300 less than the 4xE, with no more grunt to push that.
@@lanceislateagain The 4xe has 375hp and 470lb ft of torque and weighs 5200lbs. The Bronco with Sasquatch package weighs a similar amount with 310 hp and 400lb ft of torque. From the numbers, the Jeep should win.
Jeep played ford like a fiddle. The end
Surprised that the FJ kept up with the Bronco. Sweet!
Well it’s 900 lbs lighter and down 70hp.
It will still be running on earth in 20 years, the Bronco not so much.
Yeah but you pay for it with petrol!!
@@JAMESWUERTELE I literally just saw a 30 year old Bronco that looked cleaner than that FJ on my way to the car wash this morning. It’s rare that I see an old Toyota let alone a clean one. Outside the odd Camry, I never see 90s Toyota’s roaming about.
@@KTMcaptain so; you saw “one” old Bronco in good condition.
I don’t know why people are saying the Bronco is slow, it’s not meant for drag racing, it’s heavy and it has 35” tires. It’s meant for off roading
@@wilmarbarrick3194 🤣🤣🤣🤣 fair point
Because people are stupid!
Wow, that Bronco seemed really slow for some reason. Car & Driver tested a two door First Edition with Sasquatch package ( I know, a little lighter) and got a 0-60 time in the 6 second range. I can't believe the little extra weight would make such a big difference in times. I understand that TFL is at a higher altitude but that doesn't affect turbocharged vehicles as much.
Remember it's Roman driving the Bronco. He's extremely biased against the Bronco and he's old. I'm not saying he intentionally tanked this test...but everyone else testing the exact build is several seconds faster, not 6 seconds though.
It could be a tuning issue. Can these get over the air updates?
@@2011blueman that's how I feel also he shouldn't even be driving the ford bcuz he really is still salty he just tryna hide it lol
They do awesome testing but it’s always under ideal situations: Light weight drivers, no gas, prepped race surface, we’ve even heard of extreme speed measures like neutral drops! Keep in mind we’re powered by Donuts and McDonalds so a little chunkier than your typical racing driver ;)
@@2011blueman That has nothing to do with it. It was him who pushed for spending $70K for a new bronco and he’s lovin it!
That Bronco barely beat the FJ. Pretty disappointing for a 70k vehicle.
Its an off roader not a drag car. Your paying 70k to climb mountains not win races.
For 70k it better do it all!
For 70k it better be able to make me a coffee while I drive over mountains!
This is a disgrace for $70,000
@@joshuachristiansen2626 it’s also 70k lol. You could build a serious wrangler for that much
Man, the 2.3 in the Bronco must be SLOW.
*2.7 lol
@@ItalianMetalHED my point is the smaller engine is even slower.
That’s what you get with 35” tires and 5,200lbs…a Sasqflop
@@jeffdillon7202 your comment is phrased as if you clearly didn’t watch video. “Bronco will be slow”
One with electric motor has advantages of max power at zero rpm. I watched a video where bronco annihilated 4xe off-road and even proved to be more comfortable driving on streets based on the channels extensive head to head lol
@@ItalianMetalHED I watched the entire video. And you didn't even put my statement in your "quote". Have a good one, dude.
You buried the lead! You snuck in the FJ. Glad I clicked on the video.
Love it when Roman always says “bye bye” and barley wins hahaha dads……gotta love them. That’s a terrible time by the Ford. No biggie we know the Defender didn’t make it.
People do love beer, so barley does win.
I'm hoping the bronco has a break-in period because that was pathetic.
Break in? it was up against an engine that was assisted electrically, it'll only get worse unless they add in the electric boost.
@@johncs154 f150 2.7 exo boost is fast, bronco might be detuned. My f150 is on 35s and chirps the tires the bronco didnt
@@isaaclopez5004 this track was above sea level right?
@@rocksjoshua The bronco 2.7 makes 330 hp with 415 ftlb of torque
@@johncs154 yes I live in Colorado as well and my truck is fast and can peel out just stomping on the gas a mile above sea level
I want to see the 2dr Bronco with the 2.3L on street tires and see how well it performs
me too
According to the owner’s manual, the 2021 Bronco does require a break-in period. For the first 1,000 mi (1,600 km), Ford recommends you avoid driving at high speeds, braking heavy, shifting aggressively, or using your vehicle to tow. I do not understand how you guys do not disclose this info.
@Hey Buddy not saying that, just saying that the vehicle has a limiter in place so therefore the Bronco is not using its full potential. To be honest these vehicles are for off-roading not racing.
I "was" a huge new bronco fan until I saw this! 10.2 0-60 on the Bronco with the 2.0L Jeep over 3 seconds quicker? What a absolute TURD in the power department. Big fan of the 2.7 Eco tho as installed one in a 1966 F100 4x4. Bronco being 5200 lb just too big n heavy for the engine. Needs a 5.0 TwinTurbo for starters . .
Are you guys running premium in the Bronco? You need that for full power.
Probably not, same goes for the Jeep though…
@Tron Apostle yes this one is
My 4xe is fast! If you put it in 4A and turn traction control off, and go in to gas only it’s a rocket for a Jeep.
It’s also gonna be fastest to the dealer for warranty work .
@@jonathanallen8236 Maybe, so far so good. My 2018 F150 had 13 recalls and I babied it compared to this thing so far. Going to do the Rubicon trail in a few weeks then hopefully I’ll have some crow for you to eat.
@@jonathanallen8236 I’m pretty sure that’s how Jeep comes up with there 0-60 times for this thing. As well as controlled track conditions I’m sure.
@@mikes.8305 Don’t get me wrong I love Jeeps, but the only engine I would have in a JL is the 3.6. The most basic with fewest things to break. No turbos electric motors. I wish they still didn’t have direct injection. As a mechanic seeing all of the failures with the latest tech I decided it just wasn’t for me.
@@jonathanallen8236 Yep the 6 is a solid choice, and definitely the safe bet. For me this is a daily driver as well as a off reader and I’m enjoying my 24mpg and my 2k all electric miles. I think the V6 would be a great choice for people who are worried about breaking.
Tring to figure out how they managed to make that Turbo V6 basically go the same speed as a naturally aspirated FJ V6 that would have about half the real world HP at that elevation.
I can’t believe Nathan has to sell ball deodorant. Are times that tough at TFL?
Imagine you had a RUclips channel and like the other men out there, if you needed to put advertisements in your video too. Would you choose to advertise something popular with high reward or something "cooler" in your subjective mind?
everyone is doing it though... LOL
Man. Ima miss the sounds of v8's one day. All this turbo v6 n electric. I know they perform better but idk. Just driving a v8 getting 12 miles per gallon. Life just seems so good
I’m literally gonna trade in my gladiator on a 392 wrangler because of I know it’s gonna be gone before we know it
Yup dodge getting rid of hemi after 2023
Electric vehicles are pie in the sky. Will never happen once everyone realizes the damage to the environment and the infrastructure to enable a single Electric vehicle for even just 50% of the country, let alone two or more per household...
The Hellephant is the last V8 FCA will ever introduce. They’ll put it in the Ghoul and then discontinue all of the V8s.
V8s aren’t going anywhere…plus even if they do become scarce, you can still do an engine swap.
Just found this channel and love that you guys are just out having fun. This is helping a non-car guy learn more about cars!
Nathan doing the manscaped add was a little creepy.
Thanks for make these videos. I’m glad you guys got a Bronco.
Can you guys find another track to do your test on, this golf kart track just isn't enough.
Do you think that’s why the bronco lost so bad or something..
Seems to me Ford may have a good amount of torque management at play. I drove a 2.7L demo bronco and it felt strong but it’s just not turning out to be as quick as it is in the F150. Interested to see how a non Sasquatch 2.7 performs for science. Sasquatch would still be an option I’d want though. I’m guessing tuning will eventually do a lot for the 2.7L. In the short drive I had, normal acceleration felt good and strong while hard acceleration felt quite acceptable. With the 4.70 gears and 10 speed they have to be limiting torque in at least first gear and maybe second in the name of powertrain longevity IMO.
I’m with you. I drove the 2.7 Wildtrack and it felt pretty strong and had great throttle response. I think the Torque management is really at play here. I think C/D did all of their 0-60 testing in 2nd gear.
You need to use the hidden sport mode e-save with charging, 4 auto, and traction control off
Na. 4 auto, traction off, and manual mode starting in 2nd gear while break torquing. It is geared shorter and has way more torque down low so starting it in 2nd makes it quicker 0-60.
60 hp should not equate to a three second difference in 0 to 60 time… I wonder if somethings wrong with your Bronco? Good job by the 4xE!
Weight, gearing, one has an electric motor so 100% torque. Now having said all that, I would buy the Bronco. The thought of having to replace that battery at 10 years and paying like 7-10k to have it done doesn't excite me. I personally couldn't care less about quarter mile times in these vehicles.
@@SteveMichael I doubt you’ll have to change the battery at 10 years, hybrid probably closer to 20, I don’t see it costing 7-10k either lol, just look at the older hybrid Toyota Prius’ on the road.
A few months ago all we heard from ford guys is how fast the bronco is and how underpowered and slow jeeps are. The 2.7 is gonna be a monster they said lol. Well here we go past 2 days youtube is full of videos of jeep jl 3.6 walking the new bronco turbo 4 cyl. And now the "awsome" 2.7 got smoked. I will say im suprised how slow it was.
Who cares?
Honestly, I was one of the people thinking the bronco was gonna be quicker than the wrangler, not because I'm a bronco fan boy by any means, I'm more of a jeep guy (my current wrangler is a 3.6 2 door JL). I just figured the ifs and HP/torque numbers on paper were a bigger deal than they actually are, I also thought the bronco was gonna be a lot lighter than it actually is though too. I'm a little bummed that I was personally wrong but I'm also a little happy that my preferred vehicle is winning these little races lol.
I own a wrangler 4xe Sahara and was expecting the twin turbo 2.7 bronco to mostly keep up with the rubicon because of engine displacement and weight advantages but once I was truly surprised by the results against the FJ I knew it was all over at that point for the bronco against the 4xe.
The non electric and non v8 wranglers are slower than the Bronco. Electric vehicles have great acceleration, I expected the electric wrangler to win.
@@jonathandean4935 na theres another couple videos of the na v6 non hybrid that smoked the bronco.
Hi great job as usual. The matchup I'd like to see is the 4xe vs Bronco Raptor. Also I have discoverd 4 high auto mode in the 4xe removes the torque management off the line. You can foot brake it and it launches really good.
If you press the Off-Road plus.. it really wakes up the jeep
I think that electric motor at altitude is really the key here, cool to see how other manufacturers will start putting them in their 4x4's.
Does is mean there will be no manual offered?
@@MaximumDIYGarage what's the use of manual transmission in a heavy off-roader?!
They're not built for going on the track or going fast
Always appreciate any sight of the Fj in your videos. 😁
I'm a fan of the 4xe. Such a great combination of new tech with old school tech.
The bronco will be needing the 3.5 ecoboost or a 5 star tuned 2.7 🤔
This isn’t a street racing vehicle. And the wrangler was a hybrid lmfao. A hybrid bronco would keep up with a hybrid Jeep. Unfair race.
The 4-door Bronco has a power to weight ratio just a hair better than my '96 XJ. It's just not going to be fast ever.
And your xj makes all the sauce right at the bottom of the powerband lol
@@Sosaparks so does the TT 2.7L
2 years later and tuning has opened up for the 2.7L. Now with some bolt-ons and E85 tune the 2.7L puts down more WHP and WTQ than a rubicon 392.
Was wrangler in the full time 4wd mode? Has to be to get best accel.
Takes a lot of power to get those heavy 35's moving.
Still, that's really slow for a 300+ hp turbo v6 with 4.70 gears. Something isn't right.
@@hunterdan2002 intercooler is probably heatsoaked from idling there for a while
@@hunterdan2002 I agree, a 2.7 f150 is crazy, this really doesn't make sense, maybe they weren't using premium fuel and possibly ford is de tuning them for the break in period?
Had a lifted dodge with a 360 that would blow them off. This things just a turd lol
@@hunterdan2002 I thought they said it was the turbo four, I might have just misheard though. If it is that’s just embarrassing, wouldn’t be the first fordgineering to goof it though
If u we’re running the 4xe in 2h then try again in 4h auto or full. 2h in my 4xe really incorporates a torque management limitation in 1st and 2nd gear, where 3rd pulls the strongest. Some of that seems eliminated in 4h auto at least so that’s my “sport mode” when I need it.
For the ones without the upgraded 4wd auto transfer case from factory , if you ram it in 4wd Hi wouldn’t it slow you done in the long run? Actually curious
Imagine if the 392 was out there 😂
I posted a quick vid of this race lol. Gave the bronco a hell of a head start and still destroyed it.
4xe might still hold its own due to turbo and electric motors mostly nullifying their test sites mile high altitude. But the 392 would crush absolutely destroy the others at most people’s near sea level altitude.
O-60 in 4.5 my friend
@@PianoBlackTrimRep. yea but not at an elevation of 5000 ft plus where these guys test. 15% power loss I bet adds a good second.
i just testdrove one with a 2.7TT the thing is a rocket compared to what i was expecting
At 100K miles the FJ Cruiser is just starting its life (have 240K miles on one). How's all that tech in the Jeep and Bronco going to make out at 100K plus miles? Good luck with that...
My 07 Fj will be 15 years old next month, 147k on the clock. She still feels great, tight, A/C still
Is ice cold. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned!!
Surprise, surprise! The typical Toyota fan boy bringing reliability into the conversation because that's the only candle you can hold. I'm sure the Jeep and Bronco will be fine at 100k+ miles. Will they have more repairs than the Toyota? Absolutely!. But, I'd rather sacrifice a little reliability for a vehicle that is more capable, more modern, and way more fun to drive.
It’s a disgrace…Bronco Sasqflop can’t even take out an old fj using 2 turbos. And the the fj is still climbing in value.😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@stinggreyjlr9535 waaaaaaaa
toyota has proven hybrids can be very reliable
You guys should host Top Gear - Real Guy edition!
"You just took the soul out of all the Bronco fans out there..."
WAR WRANGLER!
Bronco...triple U
well it has an electric motor and a battery on it... about 2 years ago you jeep guys only had the 2 liter turbo and v6 which both have no balls at all. I dont understand why people need an off road vehicle to be super fast. Car and Driver got the First edition bronco with the sasquath package to 60 in 6.3 seconds, mostly because of the tires and how its geared for off roading not winning races. so if you were to get a bronco with out the sasquatch package and not the wiltrack trim this bronco is probably like 5.9 seconds. i dont know about you but 6.2-6.3 seconds with a vehicle that has huge nobby tires on it isnt bad at all. But what do i know?
And the diesel Rubicon smokes all but the 392.
This is the best TV commercial from Manscaped.
4xe needs to be in 4high-auto, and the engine needs to be on (you can do that by briefly throwing it in manual). 6 seconds is possible, in the 5’s has even been achieved if you know how to get the most out of the 4xe.
Exactly I’ve hit under 6 seconds in my 4xE Rubi you just have to be ready to launch and have full battery
@@danjohanis you don’t even need a full battery. Even when it’s depleted, it can use the 15% battery reserve for launch. Glad to hear you’re enjoying it!
*The 392 would’ve straight up violated the Bronco.*
With exhaust before race even started
maybe we should get the Warthog at that point 👀
Its amazing what an extra 25k starting price can do...
The 1060R transmission is my guess on why it’s so slow. It’s the same one that’s used in the explorer. Not great…
Bronco…Mini van
From what I have read, you guys should have put the Wrangler 4xe into 4WD Auto Mode. Car and Driver was reporting a 60-mph time at 5.5 second. If the 4xe was in two-wheel-drive mode, they were seeing torque throttle and it'd be about 1.3 seconds slower.
I own a Wrangler Sahara 4xe and I can confirm that 4H Auto provides a lot more hp/torque than 2H.
Really surprised how close the FJ and Bronco were. Was totally expecting the bronco to beat it by a couple lengths
Mine would it has 4.7 gearing
Would be great to see a 2 door base non sasquatch v6 bronco. Probably the lightest and quickest bronco out there
Here come the Ford boys and their excuses…
Yup…it’s a Sasqflop
But but those 35’s…..
I finally saw a Bronco for the first time in real life yesterday and my LORD That thing is Enormous!!! Even side by side with the FJ Cruiser, makes the Toyota look like a toy. 3:24
They look awesome in person in my opinion.
I saw it in person yesterday and frankly it wasn’t that big to me. More importantly though I thought the design was better suited for the 2 door version, not 4 door.
Completely and utterly dusted that bronco.
JEEP > BRONCO
Wait till the off-road video
@@mattgray6436 you think the bronco is MORE capable with IFS?! OOOOOOOOOO K
@@mattbrew11 yeah, I own a built xj and I would still choose the ifs. It’s better on road, better clearance, better at speed and just as upgradable.
@@mattgray6436 “off road video” didn’t seem to be in that word salad you just typed up
@@mattbrew11 I guess you will just see the vid on tfl offroad. The bronco is better at everything.
I took delivery of my Rubicon 4Xe July 21st after a 3 month wait... its a freaking beast!!!!
Time to take the Bronco to your buddies at 5 Star!!
Yay voided warranties on overpriced poop boxes
With the Olympics going on I think TFL needs to host an Olympics of offroaders. I'm thinking something around how 90% of the population will use them. You have a towing competition, a 0-60 red light blast off, 60-0 stop, grocery run(how many bags in back), road trip how many ppl plus luggage can you fit it it, home depot run- how plywood sheets can you fit on the roof. Offroad time trial, race around a race track. Add up the medal count and give a Olympic champion.
It's quite simple really: electric motor = instant torque. The gas engine then takes over from where the electric motor leaves off
And the turbos on the bronco need time to spool
@@brockspaulding3948 and the electric motor isn’t effected by elevation
that's not how it works... the electric motor still goes through a transmission- your comment assumes all electric motors have equal torque regardless of size- and that said tq is sufficient to move a 6000 lb jeep on raw power- which is not the case. research the engineering and mechanics of it if you need to know more.
@@smeglin1 as I said before. Instant torque. I do not assume that all electric motors have equal torque (it's not a Tesla obviously) but the amount of torque it does, have even though it still goes through the transmission and the Jeep is heavy, is still instant and sufficient enough to get it going faster than just a petrol engine would. You assume I know nothing of how it works
Hey guys! Loved to know you are in CO! I am a 4x4 instructor in South America (I am BRazilian). Congrats!
"3 go up, only 2 come down," Probably the Land Rover broke up there.
I've seen the 2.7L bronco listed at something like 6.0sec to 60, up a mile maybe drops 1 to 1.5 sec, but you guys were around 10sec right? Wow, wonder what's going on. Same power plant in my F150 goes like stink, but I've never timed it, just know it feels fast enough, but I'm basically at sea level. Guessing that gearing had a lot to do with it as well. Looking forward to the off-road videos!👍
Why was the 2.7 so slow compared to the 2.7 F150 you drag raced stock vs tuned?
Those 35” tyres are probably a factor.
and 400 plus pounds and 35 have a lot of rolling mass
Rubicon Wow!! Good Run!!
I see the Bronco and the FJ made this drag race so I'm guessing the Defender had more issues.
A Jeep, bronco, and Land Rover go up a mountain and only two survive. OH GEEE I wonder who didn’t make it back down LOL.
Apples to oranges. 2.7L turbo to 2.0L turbo ELECTRIC is no comparison.
Probably the least-surprising result ever -- the 4xE Jeep beating the Bronco. LOL. That electric motor in the Jeep throws down all its torque at 0 RPM, whereas the Bronco has to build up torque at higher revs, like any other turbocharged gasoline engine.
What *was* surprising is the 0-60 time of that Jeep at 6,000-feet above sea-level. 7 seconds?!! And that's REAL 0-60, not "leave out the first foot of travel" 0-60, too. Very VERY impressive for such a heavy vehicle at such high altitude.
2 turbos means twice the trouble. Until Ford stuffs a coyote under the hood of the Bronco, I'll keep my drool going for the Wrangler 392.
Hate to tell you, but modern Jeeps are even more unreliable than turbo Fords.
And yet people talk about 1,000,000 mile diesel reliability. And they are all turbo’d.
Lemme guess, you wear a red hat and aren’t vaxxed.
@@CorePathway Yep, proud red hat owner and a healthy 50 year old male, so not scared of the China sniffles either, and I also drive turbo diesels as well. You notice my complaint was twin turbo. Owned two 6.0L power strokes and a 6.7L power stroke. Skipped over the 6.4L (twin turbo) that had tons of problems.
@@0HOON0 I currently drive my wife's old 2003 liberty with 160k miles on it that we've done only routine maintenance and a radiator on when I'm not behind the wheel of my Peterbilt. My wife now drives a 2017 Wrangler with almost 80k that I've done nothing but oil changes on.
i'd like to see the 4xe vs the 392
Considering the bronco is new and could barley beat an FJ is kinda sad lol
Not sure why they didn’t mention that Ford has a limiter on for the break in period of 1,000 miles.
It's disappointing
Sad? Man its embarrassing and that was a mile above sea level with no turbos. At sea level fj probably take the win ha.
Wow tommy did all he could not to spoil the video in the preview and it was just spoiled in this one lol. The defender broke of course considering you did the off-road one first and it’s not at the race
yeah but they also said in that video that they would be testing these three today so you knew then which car broke.
Years ago, while working for Mitsubishi, I drove a 3000GT twin turbo in Denver Colorado. My first impression was that the vehicle was way under powered, for a twin turbo, and wasn't worth the money. It wasn't until I drove one in Michigan that I realized that the high altitude was dramatically affecting the performance. High altitude affects NA and turbo engine more than one might expect!
Ya, let's see what is going on with the Bronco on the dyno. Something ain't right, race the F150 2.7 against the 4Xe.
ruclips.net/video/Mvsagq8g35c/видео.html
Not that it's everything, but that's a stock Wrangler vs a Wrangler on 35s and you can see that in the quarter mile it makes a pretty big difference.
“Something isnt right” oh them widdle feelings got hurt because the king has kept his crown
@@mattbrew11 no, it has nothing to do with the Jeep winning, I expected that, electric motors are unaffected by altitude. It has to do with the disparity between the F-150 2.7 and the Bronco 2.7 running very differently.
When did off-the-lines speeds matter for trucks/suvs??? If anything, wanna see how they do in the turns/slaloms.
Toyota keeps on flexing 💪🏾
Maybe next time you bring the FJ TRD edition with the stock supercharger. Pretty sure you would have a real race on your hands..
The Bronco weights more than a gladiator! Wow.
Bronco is built a whole lot better than them all too... an Jeep is very good 👍
Only a Jeep is a Jeep! The Bronco got it’s kicking ass kicked!
4xe smoked that 2.7 EB. Dont even need the 392 hemi. Lol
Was very one sided.
Wow a turbo charged engine vs a none turbo engine. 😂😂😂😂. Of course Turbo's will win. 😂😂😂😂. Not a fair race. That's a 1 sided race. Like a high school kid running a preschool kid in a race. 😂😂😂😂.
A good tune from the 5 star tuning would have made it much closer for the bronco. Tuned EB can get very quick!
@@johnnyG91 I disagree. Unfair advantage with a turbo vs just an engine. Like cheating on a test. 😂😂😂😂. Dodge will always cheat to get a win. 😂😂😂😂.
@@lincolnls0416 the 2.7 ecoboost in the bronco is twin turbo. So its turbo vs turbo plug in hybrid. The only edge wrangler had was an electric motor for extra torque.
Was that 4xe in 4Auto? If it was only in 2WD the electric assist was only applied to 2 wheels rather than all 4.
I love my 4xe. Quick enough to put smile on my face and surprised look on everyone else's.
So very true. Nobody expects it when I floor it. Lol
TFL - Can you investigate the acceleration times of the Bronco? I saw some places claiming a 5.9 second 0-60, but no one has really gotten close to that in real life. Was that done with the two door with smallest tires (base version)? I'm curious, as a few videos I've found seem to indicate that it's no where near as quick as hinted originally. Unless something is wrong? Some sort of preservation for the drive train?
5.9 is for the bronco sport.some web sights just copy and others results and not list their source. the 2.7 in edge that wieghs 700 pounds less does 6.1. 0 to 60.
Ford is slow... I know Ecoboost cut back on timing if you are using anything other than +91 octane gas. Is it a possibility that it has 87 octane in the tank?
It's also the I4 engine I believe.
@@Limited-uq2yk all first editions have the 2.7 TT v6
@@jimmymoua watch their other video. They said it had the I4
@@Limited-uq2yk it's v6
@@Limited-uq2yk you are confusing 2.3l i4 Ecoboost.
And the Bronco was for sure in sport mode? Also I wonder if there’s torque limiting of some kind under so many miles when new? I went and drove a 2.7 Bronco and while it wasn’t lightning fast it was spunky in sport mode.
That bronco seems really under powered.
Nah it's just slow 🐌 it has the power 🔋
So I'm here to see a drag race and I end up seeing advertisements for shaving tools 😂😂😂😂
I want the FJ Cruiser to come back in the US!
For real! I’m looking to trade my jeep for one of them
Yeah, regardless of who wins this drag race, the relatively-simple and bulletproof Toyota powertrain will undoubtably remain trouble-free for many more miles than the other two.
@@helbergalinda9141 I hope you find a nice one.
@@bngr_bngr probably the nicest comment on RUclips history! Thanks man I was looking at some at the auctions and they’re not that bad price wise
@@helbergalinda9141 my dream FJ is the 2014 Trail Teams Ultimate Edition.
That 4XE can do under 6 seconds all day. Biggest issue is 2H. In 2H they cut the power tremendously at lower speeds. My biggest complaint about it. But the 4XE has 4auto, which is brilliant, and where it should always be on the road.