Kyle Kulinski Vs Charlie Kirk | Politicon 2019
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The cgi they used for Kyle's legs is astounding
AzureExia Big Seltzer has that coin💰💰💰
Shhhh.... flat earthers are around. Don't mention CGI 🤫
Not this again
(Jesse Lee Peterson voice) "Thats amazing"
old joke
Moderator when charlie is speaking: *loving gaze*
Moderator when kyle speaks for over one minute: "let me stop you right there bucko"
and yet kyle still hit it out of the park
that hack "moderator" has been doing that dance for a while now everytime for every right winger against a lefty....its like he knows theres a disadvantage with letting it go straight up
lol
Correct me if I’m wrong, but using the argument that you shouldn’t trust somebody’s word because he’s lying to you right now is not ad hominem. Kyle is attacking his character when his character litteraly stem from his current actions/words in the debate; it’s not so much of attack as it is simply observing. I mean, Kyle is using implied reasoning of you are what you do.I assume that’s common sense as to why he implied it rather than spell it out. Well the saying, “common sense isn’t so common,” rings true, I guess.
Also, kyle was debating Charlie's points while Charlie was just arguing against talking points that kyle never made
I need a Shapiro/Kulinski debate, it'd be glorious.
I feel like Shapiro would make the same mistake Kirk made here and assume he's debating another establishment pro Obama Democrat. He has a tenancy to not do his homework on the people he debates.
i would ascend to heaven
@@jameswhite6985 pakman would obliterate Shapiro.
I think pretty much any principled Leftie like Kyle, Michael Brooks, and Krystal Ball would absolutely body Shapiro
@@PreciseGameplay yeah, which is also probably why he hasn't debated them, he prefers to stick to college kids who while they are leftists, don't know the specifics and can't hold there own in a 1 on 1 debate, he probably knows he'd get destroyed if he went up against someone who actually knew what they were talking about, he's known as one of the best debaters on the right but I haven't actually seen him go up against a formidable opponent, that's why I wanna see it happen.
Kyle debated Charlie, Charlie debated the Democrats.
But Charlies a Republican though?
Kyle parroted mainstream media talking points, Charlie explicitly refuted mainstream media talking points.
@@TheJrade false
@@TheJrade mainstream media doesnt support M4A mainstream media doesnt support ending the wars so fact check em
It's a conservative thing
I love how Kyle doesn't change his style for this debate, he's just like he is on his show
@@MR-gz9lm -> Asshole
@@MR-gz9lm Need a safe space?
@@MR-gz9lm no like a politically incorrect free speech warrior.. cursing makes republican boy scouts cry like snowflakes apparently
I was disappointed in his performance. On his show, and in past debates on RUclips, he is much better at making his case. Honestly, I think he had a few cocktails before this debate, he was high-pitch laughing and made awkwardly worded aggressive questions when he should have been staring his own opinions and making his case.
@@MR-gz9lm It was annoying when he missed some of the refutations, and yeah most of the swearing was uncalled for, but to say he can't express himself is beyond a stretch pal.
Charlie wasnt debating you. He was debating with his abstract, manufactured idea of "The Democrats" and making you a placeholder for them. Then he just practiced reciting his talking points for an hour.
@@Sakaki98 Niko streamed it.
@@Sakaki98 - This was live streamed hours ago. Try keeping up.
@@Sakaki98 Corin's channel streamed it, bro.
@@Sakaki98 It's been streamed by like a dozen people, and lots of people saw it live.
@UC5ZKK6Sq2PUf_70Q3VAdAFA others beat me to it that it was streamed live elsewhere, but just wanted to chime in - you got faced, julian
Kyle can criticize both sides. Charlie Kirk can not.
I dont think Charlie Kirk had anything to criticize though
He did well and didn't get baited by Kirk's talking points, just wish he swore less and was more professional
@Brent 21 what a dumb comment.
@Brent 21 A Free Market gives us all the freedom to compete and oppunnity to succeed in whatever business we choose to work in. Art, education, restraunts... If we became a Socialist country, we all lose a lot of freedoms.
@Brent 21 What freedoms have we lose to a free market society?
Charlie: ''The Democrats are wearing masks''. Wow this aged well.
I was just thinking watching this in 2020 gives it a whole new viewpoint 😂🤦♀️
Lmao
Most people are wearing masks when necessary.
Everyone is wearing a mask.
Turns out Covid doesn’t give a hoot about your political affiliation.
Go figure
@@mischevious Yeah but I think it's safe to say they're more so likely to wear masks than Republicans. I mean, we have this same shit in Ireland with far right groups staging protests and out right refusing to wear masks or social distance
Kyle: "Can I talk?"
Charlie: "Idk are we nearly out of time?"
Sums it up
I swear Kirk said "I want to give Kyle time to respond but I know we're nearly out of time." about six fucking times, and then he proceeded to blab for five more minutes each time he said it.
Even though kyle lost you got to hand it to him . At least he was an honest opponent.
@@therussiantrollnetwork7464 I don't personally consider this a win for either of them, but, ya, Kirk can definitely claim this as a victory with his followers.
Kyle really let the non-existent moderation and Kirk's dishonest babbling get under his skin; he's at his best when he's composed, when he's surgical with his facts and picking apart his opponent's inconsistencies, but he let himself get too heated. Even though he was making fine points that Kirk was falling flat over, Kyle came off as immature and defensive.
In this type of scenario, with a dozing moderator and an opponent who's only strategy is to control the mic time, Kyle needs to stay calm and centered, interject as soon as Kirk says something disingenuous or outright false, and not lose his cool when Kirk says dumb shit like 'U mad bro?".
I fucking love Kyle, he's helped me develop a critical mode of thinking when it comes to politics, and if he's the man I think he is, then I know he'll look at this debate and critique himself, as well as his opponent, and improve moving forward.
Matthew Tomeraasen i hate progressives but if there is one who i can tolerate, it is definitely Kyle. He’s usually pretty honest. I can’t stand tyt or david pakman
@@therussiantrollnetwork7464 I'm progressive on most issues and I don't fuck with Pakman or TYT. Especially Pakman, that dude is the epitome of smug 'intellectual' .
Timed with a chess clock:
Kyle: 18 minutes 29 seconds
Charlie: 30 minutes 37 seconds
Make of that what you will.
And I assume that doesn't even include all the times kirk tries to speak over kyle when kyle is speaking... Terrible moderator!
And Charlie Kirk still lost.
thecockerel
Hahaha there it is. Knew this comment would be here.
How to make a time stamp
18:29
30:37
@@charliewhite3905 It's not a time stamp, it's the amount of time kyle talked and the amountof time kirk talked.
Charlie Kirk: "I worship Trump."
There, I summed up the entire debate.
he is the worst simp ever
@@axios7603
He personally knew Trump. I remember him making posts at the White House during the election.
I can't think of a single thing he said that indicates him worshiping Trump.
You worship brainwashing
"You only see political violence on one side -- on the left"
Well that aged like fine milk
everything a right winger says will eventually age like milk. it will always happen, you just need to give it time
@William Jefferson Colin only a nigga named William Jefferson would say that dumb ass shit lmao
@William Jefferson Colin can you show me the entire city that was destroyed? and can you also show me when the left attacked the Capitol? thanks!
Seems like Jefferson is on some kind of ‘substance’ thinking people caused the “destruction and burning of whole cities”
@William Jefferson Colin actually i could challenge the substance but you'd still be trapped in your bubble and unable to accept different views anyways, so the effort would have been wasted, and saying what i said was gonna be too funny to not
The "moderator" was about as useful as a cardboard cutout.
At least Kyle could have beaten the NAZI fuck with a cardboard cutout. This moderator with his occasional "let's move on" after letting the NAZI spew out 10 lies a minute was a bad joke.
@@eclecticguy7065 nazi really
@@eclecticguy7065 I don't like Kirk but calling him a Nazi? Really? He's a corporate neocon.
@Capone Jones Kirk talkled 30min, Kyle 18min
@@WarningBFG-isHiring Corporate neo-cons basically are Nazis, there's no practical difference.
This should be called “an hour of Kirk going on a rant and forgetting he’s in a debate”
IT'S A DEBATE YOU MORON!
You have no idea what types of communication exist and thus, you're the standard low IQ America (and evil ignorant leftist), -- only reproduce white children please.
Wow.
@@GnolomwebWhen you have grown up and have developed a vocabulary and some human decency, please feel free to bump your gums. Until then you are just another uneducated Trumpanzee stomping his feet and having a hissy fit because your "president" has proven himself to be a liar, a criminal and a sexual predator and is about to be impeached. I'm off for more popcorn, the fun bit is about to begin.
@@Raakiszh IKR. He's a special kind of asshole.
@@vicsomeone Haha you're so triggered. What a fool!
Charlie:
"We should have billionaires"
Immediately after
"Government is bad because the billionaires use their money to influence the government"
🤔
Hummmm...🤔
@Professor OneTrick and I'd like to be president this year. Technically possible but has an impossible probability. Kind of silly if I tried to pitch me being president as a likely outcome to the election.
To anyone saying it is the government job to not be corrupt present them this analogy. A village sources their water from a well. They have been for hundreds of years and with the exception of a few minor incidents, everyone were able to get their water without a problem. However recently, the water seems poisoned. Turns out, there is an oil company near the village that is fracking and therefore poisoning the underground water reserves. Now in this analogy people like Charlie Kirk is blaming the well.
Government is how civilization sources their legislation necessary for it's survival. (well and water)
The oil company in this analogy is, well a coal lobbyist that literally got himself promoted to the head of the EPA. Or Big pharma lobbyist literally writing regulation on themselves and having them pass through the Houses without a hitch.
@Professor OneTrick he wasn't saying that but even if I grant your premise, he might say that out loud but then be arguing that corporations are people and money is free speech. When you say something out loud but all your actions are the opposite, I'm of the opinion actions speak louder than words.
@Professor OneTrick I've seen him in a previous video talking about money is speech though and that's been the elected republican position for a long time now. It's a terrible burden on the freedom of normal civilians to have people so rich they can buy... Well buy everything. Look at our pandemic response. Just opened the banks to the corporations who needed it the least including tax haven corps. We could have a discussion about how even someone with a million dollars can buy politicians and that's true but I'm not saying we shouldn't have millionaires. It's just you get into billions and we simply loose all concepts of controlling corruption. What's the sweet spot? I dunno.
"Jeff Bezos and I have an average net worth of $50 billion." Kyle wins
Isn’t Bezos hated by the Democratic Party due to his wealth and how people claim he treats his workers? How does that make Kyle win? I’m just genuinely curious
@@mitchelllittle126 Because it means he completely destroyed Charlie
Dan B 0809 ok let me be more specific, how much you’re worth ain’t crap. How does Kyle win? Considering how Charlie actually held more valid statements than Kyle and didn’t even have to go to college to be where he is. Kyle continued to use feelings more than facts. Just like you are right now, you’re using your dislike for Charlie to make a stupid statement instead of thinking “this really doesn’t matter in a debate. They’re competing in a debate and their personal status shouldn’t have any place in this debate”
@@mitchelllittle126 Charlie brought up averages, and Kyle destroyed him by proving that they were irrelevant.
@@DanB-sh3wt he should at least use the median figure, that is a bit more telling. Or geometric mean rather than arithmetic mean :).
Charlie: "ArE yOu JuSt SuPpOsEd To SeLl InTeRnAtIoNaL aSsEtS???"
Kyle: "YES!!!"
My favorite part. God he just tries to pretend nothing is corruption when trump does it.
Or at least put them in a blind trust like he was told to do many times over while he was president elect
Time stamp for that remark?
@@wusscake 44:41
wusscakep
Orange man good
Summary of the debate:-
Kyle: "the Democrats and Republicans are both corrupt and we need to point both out"
Charlie: "Blue bad red good duhhhh"
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Except Charlie would get a lot more time to say that
Liked as yt wont let me thumbs up
Kyle: I agree with AOC... LET'S EAT BABIES!!!1!1!1!1!!!!
It's impossible to argue the Republican talking points without making a douche out of yourself. Kirk was truly pathetic on Trump. What a disgusting worm Charlie Kirk is smh. Great job by Kyle.
The good thing about Kyle is that he doesn't have the burden to "defend" Obama or Democrats, while Trump supporters are stuck trying to defend their nonsense.
Unless Kirk wasn't defending nonsense.
@TyetheRebel did you miss the entire section where Charlie's doing mental gymnastics over Trump's tax cuts and nepotism?
@TyetheRebel Kirk's entire response to everything was basically "nu uh, trump is the least corrupt president in American history, he's basically jesus"
@TyetheRebel Defending Trump's tax cuts
Kirk's unusually small face says otherwise.
Charlie: I didn’t sign a social contract.
Charlie: Not kneeling for our national song is unpatriotic.
Absolute clown
Right?
Even if we ignore the constitution argument every single person who functions within a community no matter the size has
already signed a social contract with that community to uphold a set of laws and ethics that they agree on.
This has been the case since the stone ages when we decided to form groups in order to survive.
I think you mean not standing for our song is unpatriotic
Isn't it not that bad for someone to have an opinion. A judgement. A pride for their country?
@@carlidennis6105 Gotta work on those double negatives mate.
@@Lack_Of_Interest when you work on understanding economic sustainability, we'll talk about grammar, in the comments section. For now, lets focus on tangible issues that hurt the quality of life, of the very same lives the left claim to advocate for. There's no pride, in being too educated, to be wise, Death Panda.
Charlie Kirk- "the right doesn't do political violence"
Kyle- "racially motivated shootings"
Charlie Kirk- "ok we can go back and forth here."
kirk of course used two examples to sound smart when he knows goddamn well the OVERWHELMING majority of domestic terrorism is right wing related. he's a fucking hack of the highest degree and deserves no respect.
For every 100 white nationalist terrorists I can give you 2 left wing people doing something bad therefore both sides
@@hpebackwards The right constitutes the vast majority of mass shooters, but the left smashes windows - BOTH SIDES!
I love how Kirk says there's no violence on the right, then Kyle starts giving examples and Kirk says they can go back and forth all day with examples...
So Kirk is saying you can give examples of right wing violence all day, but it doesn't exist.
3 centrists vs Kyle Kulsinki
m.ruclips.net/video/0O_0UoHPSJc/видео.html
@@hpebackwards Proof needed. Your source?
Did he say Trump "made his money from nothing?"
Jesus Christ, the poor guy is delusional.
Exactly. He made his money by suing and exploiting people and putting in no extra effort whatsoever.
*small loan intensifies*
PARIS FUCKING HILTON was more successful than Donnie Dump!
socialists are also delusional!
kirk was saying that Trump was not as rich as he is now.... hence "from nothing" phrase
@@pat8437 very judgemental, just like a socialist.
someone is evil because you assume that they are evil, with no evidence
That guy was a horrible moderator. Just letting Charlie Kirk ramble on and on and on.
If you look at past debates, Charlie has dealt with moderators COMPLETELY against him and let Charlie’s opponent keep “rambling” however Charlie kept on utilizing facts, Kyle used feelings to prove his point, which didn’t prove them. Politics is facts, not feelings. Ben Shapiro has even stated when he talks to his wife “do you want me to make you feel better or do you want me to help your problem” I’m paraphrasing.
Brother Tracy Stone I’ll ask you the same thing these guys ask every socialist, show me a country where it GENUINELY work. The do have a passion, to speak truth and show how the left and mainstream media are tearing up this country. Charlie has more viable facts and stated more truth in his debate that Kyle ever could. Also, Ben’s statement was for people with money. As for people with no money, it ain’t that hard to fix yourself if you are a hard working person, obey the law, and are a productive member of society. There’s a farm in Alabama looking for anyone willing to actually work, and you’re paid a fair wage. Or do like me and join the military. Thats capitalism. You do this for me and I do this for you. It’s one of the strongest economic systems and we’ve survived for years with.
Brother Tracy Stone with capitalism a man can start a small business and rise to higher lengths are because of capitalism. People can say no to the jobs offered if they don’t agree with the wages or if they don’t agree with the corporate policy. Those points about slavery and theft and regime changes are null now considering how much America has changed since those times. America’s economy is growing exponentially due to capitalism. Also don’t use an argument of authority in debate, a man can graduate from high school and have a higher understanding of economics than you do. The facts empirically show that capitalism is a more prosperous economic stand point than socialism.
Brother Tracy Stone I’m a sailor in the Navy. A sonar technician, I can explain how sound travels through the ocean yet my cousin who is 15 understands and defines the physics of it better than anyone at my command. He doesn’t have authority in the subject. Same can be applied in every subject, plus tell me. Did your professors deliberately try to prove a point socialism was better? Did they push their own agendas? Plenty of my teachers tried that crap while I was growing up. I trust capitalism because it’s a genuine system. You start from the bottom, buy certain things to bring up your system, hire workers (WHO HAVE CHOSEN THEIR JOB BY CHOICE), and take the chance to go bankrupt. If the workers are unhappy they can quit and find a better paying job. I believe in the freedom capitalism gives. How is socialism better? You’ve keep saying it is, give me the between differences of it.
Brother Tracy Stone Brother Tracy Stone our division officer does have a degree in oceanography. And he was surprised that someone so young knew more about the subject and could do more with it than he could. What I’m getting at is even if you have a degree, that doesn’t make you an expert. Also yes, politics is facts not feelings, I’m not conceding to your point of view. You wanna fix something, you gotta go through the hard times to do it. Even when the facts hurt your soft heart. They’re using facts to prove themselves correct while the left uses feelings, saying stuff they believe but can’t back up. Hell the other day I was called a racist because I said the engineers on my ship weren’t that much farther than monkeys on the evolutionary ladder. And the one black guy in their group started making it a race thing. It wasn’t, it was about their intelligence and their rowdiness. But they felt it was a racist thing when it wasn’t even remotely toward the mans race. He just went off his feelings. Facts are truth the liberals don’t want to listen to. And as for capitalism, it doesn’t promote law breaking or poverty. It promotes privately owned businesses and companies or any other working areas. I worked on a farm back home, with my grandfather. He worked hard most of his adult life before and after his time in the Korean War. He went from 45 acre field, to 500 acres. We had investors from our community and it grew exponentially. We even brought people OUT of poverty. We even hired some homeless people, let them stay in the barn for the first 3 months so they could build up enough money to get a small place then capitalize on it. To grow and be better. But none of that would’ve been done without the investors from our community for us to be able to purchase the extra land, rent the harvesting equipment, pay the workers, etc. my grandfather still works on the farm, and we haven’t had to worry about eating for 15 years. We were in poverty before we got our farm going. I literally spent days in the woods hunting for my families next meal. Capitalism got us OUT!!! Now you tell me college boy, you say we suffer under it? WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU SUFFERED!? Have you ever had to go into the woods in pain because you hadn’t eaten for 4 days, hadn’t seen a damn thing in the woods. Tracking, following, crying, and finally you see a deer, not a big one, but not a small one. Enough to feed us for 3 more days. But within the second day you’re already back in the woods before your family starts to get hungry again. We got out of poverty due to capitalism. We never broke the law to grow where we have. We never exploited anyone, we gave the homeless places to sleep, and eventually places to live.
Boy, Charlie's economic argument aged poorly in the age of covid
It was never right to begin with
And your comment makes no sense. I'm not a trump supporter, but its disingenuous to suggest that its trumps fault the economy tanked because of corona. That is completely out of trumps control, you can't blame him for that. ANY president would have a crap economy because of corona.
@@floki5605 You're wrong. It would have gone much better if he hadn't gutted the pandemic task force and taken so long to take action.
@@ltfringr
I'm not arguing about the severity, thats a whole different discussion. Even if he took action there still would've been a short period of lockdown at some point.
Floki yeah but it could’ve been a short lockdown. Look at new Zeland, they shut the country down ASAP and have had 1 person die of covid in the past 2 months. Trump on the other hand took his time, with a VIRUS, something that spreads through the air, when we had no cure for it. He closed the country just to rush and open it back up again simply because the economy was failing.
If Charlie is so "skeptical" about government, why does he trust this administration so much.
I wish Kyle would have asked that.
Kyle should have brought up the articles of Trump wanting to seize private land to start building his wall. (Seizing private land for the state sounds like a communist thing eh Charlie?). Also trying to stop car companies from following California’s emissions standards. Also Trump saying they should take away licences of news outlets that criticize him. All sound pretty big government to me.
Full of sheeeet
@@supergamer5121 Those are all excellent points, Kyle won but he really could have demolished Charlie if he had brought tons of examples that disputed everything Charlie claimed Trump has accomplished.
@@JennyOwnzable Because Trump is skeptical of the government agencies also.
Kirk wasn’t there to have an open minded discussion. He was there to say his talking points as fast as possible
I swear most of these conservative commentators talk like they've ripped a fat line of meth nowadays.
Of course, he is with “Talking Points America”
PatrickCervantez They go by the “I talk fast so I must be smart” idea like Squeaky Benjamin
I’m yet to see a conservative commentator that believes a word they say. It seems like they’re all grifters. People on the left seem to have more of a conscience and sincere desire to help others in comparison.
Seemed like he was also on stimulants, anyone else think that?
"We're seeing an economic Renaissance under President Trump."
This sentence didn't age well.
Right? Trump had nearly 4 years to prepare for a pandemic. His “strong economy” was just a house of cards that blew away with the slightest breeze.
@@markmirabella4066 A house of cards that many of us knew was gonna collapse at any point.
If it were Bernie sanders handling it we would have a higher mortality rate because how in effective public healthcare is
@@juaquingomez2936 Other first world nations who have a version of single payer healthcare say you're full of shit.
@@juaquingomez2936 lol even poor Asian countries are doing better than America with the pandemic
It's clear that one is used to debates and one is used to giving speeches.
More like one knows how to debate with facts and the other starts cursing because he doesnt have any
@Brent 21 What was an alternative fake fact?
@@jackmanhireiii lol charlie is a literal human copy and paste 🤣🤣
Kyle isn't the best at Debates. As much as people around here are siding with him because they agree, as far as a debate goes, Kyle looks like he's lost here.
This isn't because Charlie is right, it's just because he comes off more reasonable and has loquaciously provided (and stuck to) "facts".
In a debate, you've got to be aware of disingenuous techniques - here, namely gish galloping on Charlie's side. You've got to call this out and force them to stay on one topic and when they don't, call them out on kicking the can down the road or moving goal posts.
Kyle may have complained that Charlie talked a lot but he didn't specifically call out why gish galloping is a disingenuous tactic. So instead he comes off looking like he's got barely anything to respond, because he only has time to respond to one fact at a time. So he comes off looking like he lost on all other counts of what Charlie says.
@@kuro2797 Sadly I agree. Kyle just isn't used to debates and he frankly doesn't care for it. It shows and him being emotional was his weakest point here. If he's going to do more debates he should follow some training.
But don't get your hopes up, because he's said time and again he only does this sparingly and for fun.
"Jeff Bezos and I have an average net worth of $50 billion" lmaoo
#MakeAmericaThinkHarder
Thomas Tucker that was a strong point, but so was kirk’s ‘$1000 in 80m american’s pocket’.
Johnny Murillo ofcocourse! 80m families makes since the talking point likely relates to the doubling of child tax credit (from 1k to 2k)
Thomas Tucker that’s why you don’t average 2 people, moron!!!
Signed first grader math!!!
Charlie Kirk - “I’ve studied the Laffer curve”
*spends hours staring at a parabola*
Shut Up Nerd! Just kidding I'm a math geek also.
plot(-x^2, x)
oh my god, I'm on my computer, how do iget emojis that show hilarious laughter?!?!?!?!? I laughed out loud to this comment!
So good
Actually, it’s two intersecting lines.
Who’s here after Trump’s taxes got leaked and Kyle’s speculation about Trump’s corruption was true?
I'm here after trump has corona
Rosé is my boo oh Boi, he sure has lived a long life hasn’t he?
His taxes showed he paid millions of dollars in taxes. Lol. And how was the corruption proven?
@@modernwarriorsystems7347 "he paid millions in taxes!"
What was the rate? If u tax Elon Musk 1%, u will also end up with millions of dollars, but that doesn't mean paying 1% of taxes is at all a good amount to pay considering his net worth.
@@lordoftheflies7024 why should he owe anything according to what he makes? How does any other person have higher authority over him to demand he give up part of his wealth at the muzzle of a gun? Income tax is theft, immoral, and evil. It's only for parasites like you.
“You don’t see Trump supporters being violent”
That did not age well Charlie...
Democrats: a year of total destruction
Republicans: one day
Kenosha
@@justsomeguy6336You're utterly braindead 😂
This is the worst moderated debate ever. Charlie got to ramble for 10 minutes to every 1 minute Kyle had.
And I think that actually hurt Kyle in the debate performance because I don't think Kyle addressed every single issue. I'm very curious with Charlie Kirk's audience thought of this debate cuz I am sure they probably thought it went well for him. And if both sides think it went well is there actually a winner?
@@PersianMichael I'm a conservative and the way Kyle framed the debate was the reason why he won, Kirk was always on the defending side, but he did hold up more than I thought he would, if Kirk sticked to "I'm a libertarian and I'm consistent with that for x, y, and z" and didn't try throwing baits at Kyle, then he would've been a lot more respected.
Because Kyle's responses had no content. Quick 1-liners, no substance.
@@PersianMichael there doesnt always have to be a winner in a debate. The point is to open up dialogue and bring to light topics that someone may have not known about. It gives people that only hears one side of an argument hear the opposing and maybe they will question and research for themselves.
@@coolsupercoolmario Well then I'm glad that he was able to appear to be effective in your opinion. Would you say Kyle has made you more willing to view opinions of the left? And because Charlie Kirk spoke so much, do you think he gained support from this debate?
Charlie Kirk: Trump is good, I will never criticize daddy trump.
Quigle- Dorf except over Israel, drug decriminalization, Russia, not being aggressive enough in the debates, a job guarantee...
@Quigle- Dorf He does, nice try though.
Messin Around maybe Bernie doesn't support BDS because it's wrong and immoral
Quigle- Dorf foh with that just cause Kyle didn’t criticize bernie during the debate doent mean he hasn’t criticized Bernie ever... if you watch his show he’s done it quite a few time possibly more than other progressive talk shows. But they agree on many things so it’s not like it happens often. It also makes sense Charlie doesn’t criticize Trump often but Kyle’s point was valid af, because Charlie criticizes Biden, and Clinton for the same thing Trump does while at the same time making it seem like there isn’t any proof about trump doing it while there is more evidence against trump than Biden or Clinton. At least Kyle will criticize all of them and not pick and choose
@Michael Cristian Lmfao
Jesus this guy actually talked for 80% of the time
Another comment did a timer and it was KK-18 min and CK-30 min lollll
Ryan B it’s fine because Kyle refuted his long talking points each time he talked
Kyle barely talked and still utterly obliterated his points lmao
The fact that anyone thinks Kyle won this is astounding. Charlie made actual arguments and rebuttals. Kyle threw fits and acted like a child.
Atleast Charli drops fax and his articulate… Your boy Kyle just mocks the other person rather than have an intelligent speaking point or perspective
kyle was toying with him, charlie was talking in circles and employing the shapiro technique of talk fast and obtusely try and take over the conversation by verbal vomit instead of well put points.
Facts
A well put point in politics is complicated. What was a good point Kyle made?
Kyle made zero well put points. What video are you watching?
@Brent 21 This just shows how entrenched people are nowadays. I can honestly say Charlie wasn't debating much. He was mostly giving a pre written speech. But at the same time, Kyle made zero good points. On the day, Charlie was better.
But you pick on something you have no idea about to defend your dear leader Kyle. Stop cheering with the other lunatics and actually listen.
@Brent 21 I'm not even American, but sure. I simply take an interest. I wasn't raised or taught with your left-right biases. It's quite clear to me which is side is better. Not saying anyone's right on everything, but your Dem's have moved far too left. I've seen first hand what leftism does to a state. So, watch what hellhole you're taking your country to.
“Thank you for to inviting me to the Charlie Kirk monologue night.” 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Cuz it didn't seem like a debate. The moderator didn't distribute equal time and Kirk just went on and on with his hacky mouthpieces. There were LITTLE to NONE debates.
@@hansonwinx7843 When Kyle did get to talk he was usually straight and to the point. Unlike Charlie that went on and on with a bunch of word salad talking points that weren't completely honest.
@@peterboissonnault8445 While true, it still is the job of the moderator to distribute equal talk time so you don't have the sense that one side talks way much more at the end (i.e. recall this debate afterward and see whose voice rings in your head). If one side takes too much time to make a point, the moderator should either stop that side or encourages the opposite side to be more engaged. You can see Kyle saw this mid-debate and that moderator realized it too, but he chose to do nothing, knowing Kyle couldn't complain cuz it would look bad. The moderator took rose money confirmed.
@@hansonwinx7843 That is true, the more one side gets to talk the more likely people might think they have a legitimate argument. Even if that argument is hacky and misleading.
Hanson Winx I added clap emojis cause I applaud Kyle for calling that bullshit out. I agree with the comments here.
Charlie: "The corporate tax rate should be 0%."
Kyle: "That's a very unpopular position, please proceed...."
That was glorious! 😁😁😁
Seriously wtf was that. It's like when Kirk goes off script his true colors show and his real point is "I'm here to defend the oligarchy!!" Sad because the guy sounds decently intelligent
Why won't Kyle debate Nick Fuentes?
@@Billy-yk5te kyle's got no time to debate self hate racists
Don't forget this was about 30 seconds after Charlie commended Trump for increasing the effective corporate tax rate. Good thing nobody listens to Charlie Kirk for logical consistency.
Who gives a fuck if something is unpopular. That is not an argument, but its always Kyle's go to.
I love how Charlie Kirk talks for 10 million hours and Kyle just dismantles whatever he says in 10 seconds 😂
Only he didn't. Not a single time. Unless you count temper tantrums and arguing his own opinion instead of facts as "dismantling "
Jason Stevens here's the "facts over feelings guy" that doesnt know what he's talking about lol
@@ttfno4923 Clearly i know much more than you do on the subject since Kyle did not in one instance prove wrong ANYTHING Kirk said.
Jason Stevens stop being a troll lmao😂
Ehhh I think Kyle won overall bc some of Kirks points werent so great but a lot of the time Kyle only responded with emotion, mistook his words, or had his point rebutted right after
The fact that Charlie can't fault Trump on a single THING is truly disturbing.
What has Trump done wrong then?
@@DingleDangle66 Lol
He can’t bite the hand that feeds him. Charles doesn’t believe the things he’s saying. Well, he’s uneducated.
@@KarlMarxFanClub I guarantee you would be destroyed in a debate.
@@DingleDangle66 Spreading lies about election fraud? Inciting violence? Stealing classified documents? Ring any bells?
Charlie drones on for an hour, Kyle opens his mouth to respond
Moderator: Hold on Kyle, you'll get your chance to talk
The thing you should be upset about is that for the first 2/3’s of the debate, Kyle was cutting his own time short to ask snarky questions, kicking it back to Charlie. That’s not the moderator’s fault. And Kyle was given time to respond.
@@chrlpolk Oh right, makes perfect sense. So when Charlie went on his massive gish gallops asking fifty questions that's perfectly fine though. But when Kyle answers with a rhetorical question, now things need a completely justified hour long answer? lol, what a hypocrite.
Steven is a joke of a moderator. He might as well have just spent the hour blowing Kirk on stage.
CutThroatJuggalo That would have taken a minute.
@@MysterD515 could've filled the rest of the time with Kyle breaking down the state of politics at the moment. I'm cool with that.
😭😂
Kyle kept throwing it back to Charlie. Instead of making his own points, his strategy relied on making snarky questions and hoping Charlie would talk himself into a hole. Honestly, I believe Kyle was high, and also, he seemed to mirror a lot of Cenk’s debate style, which is unfortunate because Cenk is a horrible debater.
@chrlpolk whenever Kyle would try to interject the moderator told him to be quiet, when Kyle would talk The moderator would let Charlie talk
Kyle is having fun. Kirk isn't a serious dude for him. Kyle and Ben would be a much better debate.
yea kyle is running circles
@Kira I watched both of them for sometime. Their debate would be interesting. Ben is fast talker and knows how to look "very logical". Kyle can shed lots of lights on some of Ben's "talking points".
Definitely
@Kira shapiro is pretty good at doing his thing. He is the type of guy that could sell half the country unicorns, even though they dont exist. It would be an awsome debate
Ben had already said no to debating Kyle because Kyle isn’t popular enough for him, he wants to debate well known college kids on campus with basic expertise in politics. Kyle vs Ben would be more interesting indeed thought, since Ben is the complete stark contrast to Kyle in every area of politics from economic to foreign policy. I can also hear Kyle tell Ben to slow down with his speech😂
Kyle was killin me in this hahahah. "So you're just supposed to get rid of your business connections? YES YES YES"
Just like how the guy had to sell his peanut farm
Jimmy Carter was back when the choice of candidate was best vs worst. I was born in 1981. In my entire lifetime there’s only been the choice of worst and least worst.
I feel like Charlie Kirk is a person who likes the sound of his own voice
He just knows that if Kyle gets to speak, he makes sense. And the more Kyle speaks, the more sense he makes, and then Charlie Kirk's straw-men go up in flames before he can beat them up.
You'll notice that a significant portion of the arguments Kirk made were targeted at the kind of leftist (specifically, Democrat) that Kyle is not. That's because he knows Kyle is likeable; so he needs to make him look like an identitarian, and the only way he can do that, is to prevent Kyle from being able to speak at any kind of length at all, and keep lobbing straw-man arguments at every opportunity.
Yes! That delightful voice comingno out of that tiny gorgeous face...
As opposed to Kyle who does a near-daily show where he’s the only one speaking? Kinda goes with the territory, don’t you think?
@benmcfee, You’re overthinking it. Kirk was just using standard talking points. Reciting past speeches. Stuff that Kyle should have researched and had immediate and specific rebuts for. Now I agree with Kyle’s positions, but he didn’t represent our side well here. He clearly did not come in this prepared.
Kirk must have practiced his speeches like mad at home while Kyle just showed up to see how he is doing.
Does Charlie still live like a capitalist every single day? He sure gets publicly owned a lot
Damn I like that
You did not just flip my ben shapiro dig
Clever
HAHA, someone's been in The Serfs comment section
owen davis guess his username checks out
Charlie is a rambler, kyle is a point maker
It's more accurate to say that right-wingers - especially the CKs and BSs of the world - are Gish-gallopers. They throw out a million rehearsed "facts" daisy-chained together, points that are only "true" in the thinnest sense of objective consideration. Their goal is not to inform, it's to distort what's actually behind their claims by chumming the verbal waters with distractions uttered at such a rate and forcefulness that people are intended to be discouraged from questioning anything the right-winger says.
KK's strength is that he can counter with actual facts that have the backing of critical review, step outside his politics without appearing like he was just pushed into a pool of ice water, and jab with biting one-liners. The right gets anyone to the left of them so wrong all the time because right-wingers assume anyone not clearly in the right-wing politisphere thinks and acts in exactly the ways they do, but actively chooses to be blindly oppositional toward them. Which is why the right is currently engaging in pretty widespread verbal witch hunting based on the spectral evidence of simply using words to make a charge that someone is of the devil, is evil, is a pedophile, etc.
What points? Just cause you didn't like Charlie's points or check them don't make them wrong or rambling.
@@who0icu812 Charlie didn’t have a single valid point lmao
I noticed he started talking nonstop as it went on trying to fill up space to distract from the inconsistencies
No Kyle has no factual information or decent rebuttals… He brings zero facts to the debate… All he does is mock the other person rather than have an intelligent speaking point
Colin Kaepernick got the idea to kneel after speaking to service members about his idea to protest. His original plan was to sit down during the anthem and they suggested that instead he should kneel the way that they do for their fallen brothers. To say that Colin Kaepernick was disrespecting veterans with his protests is factually incorrect.
I love love love your comment, and that you took the time to make this incredibly important and 100% true point. I wish Kyle had spoken to this when he responded to Kirk's pathetic and worn-out argument that Kaepernick was unpatriotic and disrespectful to our veterans. Same old tired fox news/trump loop. Kirk does not think for himself, he parrots others and has no ability for deeper reflection on the issues.
Yep. The crocodile tears over CK kneeling is just about out-and-out racism and leveraging that in national politics. Tell them that Muhammed Ali refused to be inducted into the Army, made all kinds of public statements and visible protests against our actions in Viet Nam. They either don't know this fact or to them that is so far in the past and Ali is dead now that they don't care that it's relevant.
@@crowdedcrow3098 It’s to an extent purposefully understated.
@@SurelyYewJest it's funny because kap was just an average player at best and now he has huge clout because of these butthurt morons who don't understand his protest to begin with.
And no disrespect to the man. Being an average NFL starting quarterback is an incredible athletic accomplishment. Could've kept improving too had he not gotten black balled.
No, he kneeled because Blaine Gabbert took his job 🤣 just like any defunct actor or musician, a soon as the calls stop coming in they're an activist
Kirk prefaced everything attacking "democrats" and not pertaining to kyle, because he memorized his bs rhetoric for months.
He was railing against the Democrats and acting like Kyle doesn’t do that too on a daily basis. He was acting like Kyle IS the Democrats.
@RunFor OurLives this is why biases and tribalism is toxic. You can take a clip, and two different "tribes" will see vastly different things through their bias colored lenses.
@RunFor OurLives It's not a delivery style, it's a very, very slow delivery style...
RunFor OurLives that’s exactly why Steven Crowder and those like him are scared to debate Seder. He can spend an hour or two one single subject and take a deep, contextual dive while Steven can only can bac with “ but what about...”
Tim_GRIFTER_Tool You are wrong. Charlie actually debates people all the time. Kyle sits behind a screen and just talks to a camera.
That moderator needs to get fired. 95% of this debate is Kirk yapping
His Yap is equivalent to a Fap cause it sure isnt a debate going on. He's alone ranting onto his own ego.
@@Daniea3 A fap would have ended and stayed on point. He doesn't - he just keeps talking 😂
@LindaLeeYou 123! Doing so would look bad. The whole point of debate is to look good. This is why Kyle hated debate in the past since it's all altitude (WWE of intellectual retardation) and not about bringing substantial points. Kyle only started to do POLITICON cuz his fan convinced him and he realized more reasonable people are showing up.
What the fuck why does he talk constantly give Kyle his god damn turn
@@annettemacdonald9192 lol ok Jeb!
Kapernick had 16 touchdowns and 4 interceptions in his last year. Charlie twists it to fit his narrative
@Sean McFarland 4:1 is not horrible. Nathan Petermen threw 5 ints on 15 total passes. Colin would’ve had a backup job had he not protested
Nah! That's just "Conservatism" lol
@Sean McFarland Shut up bro. You don’t know anything about football. 16 TD and 4 INT is a phenomenal TD/INT ratio. I’m not a fan at all of Kaepernick but you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@saulgoodman4953 Kaepernick got those stats you mentioned during garbage time and late season games. You know nothing and that's why you were low iq enough to even try with them.
Watch Trubisky. Flat throws that get picked off and limited accuracy. Kaepernick is the same.
Kaepernick had better legs but he wasn't good for a second once Harbaugh knew he was leaving SF.
Kaepernick saw this just as anyone else who understands football saw this. He became 3rd string overnight because he kinda stinks.
Its obvious he got blackballed but it's also obvious after the Baltimore fiasco and his tryout that kaepernick had taken martyr status willingly and the left can't sort it out. It's too complicated to see apparently.
Those high iq lefties at it again.
@@DaleGribble1 I didn’t say kaepernick was good. I said that his TD/INT ratio was good. Big difference.
Charlie: "Could you imagine people with MAGA hats beating journalists in the streets?"
Kyle in 2021: "No, but I can imagine them storming the capital trying to murder politicians."
a bunch of hippies trespassing doesn't constitute as attempt murder.
You think hippies were behind an act of violence and insurrection on behalf of Trump? Do you hear yourself right now? Hippies for Trump? LOL
lol people who stormed the Capitol were unarmed. Some fucking coup that was
@@dustywagon298 yes they fucking were dude.
@@finius.tbirdpocket3603Lol. January 6th. Also Dems. Support rioting and looting for 5 months of BLM and Antifa.
This video should be renamed: "Charlie Kirk rants and parrots right wing talking points incessantly while Kyle Kulinski listens and comments here and there."
HAHAHA
So true
Seriously though
Same with Ana and tomy laren. Tomy just spewed forth talking points and Ana actually had intelligent arguments.
Cry babies lost the debate!
44:35 Charles: “are you just supposed to sell your assets???”
Kyle: “YES!!”
Video posted 5 minutes ago:
You, already 40 minutes in:
Wait a minute
@@Levixne Corin live-streamed the debate lol.
He's not supposed to sell tho.....
And the crowd goes wild.
Jimmy Carter had to sell his fucking PEANUT FARM because people thought it might've been used to facilitate corruption! So YES, this is a clear principle!
This debate is more like "How long can Charlie talk for, spouting his purely anti-democrat nonsense rather than actually debating..." he's just a robot...
He’s debating Kyle just isn’t saying anything back but a couple curses and a roast
@@cdg715 Dude Charlie was debating the imaginary democrats in his head Kyle refuted all his points and looked like he wasn't even trying
Kirk: Complains about China getting to pollute.
Kirk again: Complains about US companies not being allowed to pollute.
Oh these tankie responses are so predictable.
I'll put it bluntly: Fuck China.
@4 Fake , and those regulations have been taken away!!
China has less polution if you go by per capital.
4 Fake Do you mean the U.S. after 4 more years under trump?
4 Fake
You just pivoted hard af after being called out and stuck to as hominem instead of answering the question Kronika asked. Don’t come to these threads thinking you can get away with saying “libtard”. You are inconsistent in this case.
Charlie: *talks for 13 days straight*
Kyle: *says three words*
Charlie's entire "argument": *F L O P*
Yesss..it doesn't take long for kyle to make you look fucking stupid and that was obviously important for this debate since he was only given a short amount of time to respond. I also like how Charlie pretended to agree with some things so he didnt look completely thoughtless and cult like.
Also..the moderator seemed to be giving Charlie heart eyes the whole time. If he loves him so much why doesn't he marry him?
if you don't know anything , in just by judging its appearance charlie won by his quick smooth articulate talk. kyle look like he lost his cool. charlie is pretty close to right in most things he said but like kyle pointed out that he left out trump in doing the same thing and trying to fill in some other bullshit reasons. one thing for sure the white's racecard is a very strong card to play for the republican hand, incase you liberals don't know that if you keep screaming racism, they will win. we still make up 65% here in USA vs 8% of the world.
@@Trip_Ts dude ... What?
There's a serious dose of irony for you, claiming that Charlie won the debate through his "articulateness" in your incoherent mess of a comment
@@Trip_Ts the fuck you saying?
If there's a Politicon this year I wanna see the following debates:
Kyle Kulinski vs Ben Shapiro
David Pakman vs Steven Crowder
Sam Seder vs Dave Rubin
Emma Vigeland vs Candace Owens
TJ Kirk vs Michael Knowles
Sahil Habibi (Progressive Voice) vs Charlie Kirk
You mean Sam Seder vs Rave Dubin
Alex Jones vs Cenk Uygur
@@sammyleeAL I wanna see Paul Parkey (PaulsEgo) vs Alex Jones. Parkey is like the inverse Alex Jones. Paul is intelligent, rational, reflected, and eloquent. The two things he has in common with Jones is that he is fat, and that his rage is epic. Paul doesn't get triggered, he gets UNLEASHED.
Richard Wolff vs Dennis Prager
Noam Chomsky vs. Jordan Peterson
Not for any specific reason
This is why I like Kyle. He isn't restrained in a political echo chamber, allowing him to give credit and condemnation where it's due, regardless of side. One of the few politically honest individuals I've seen.
Raven he is an adult teenager that speaks in CNN tabloid sound bites, he doesn’t give any insightful information
Charlie “What about urban unemployment” Kirk
That was total CRINGE
It was so bad I cracked laughing. He was so clueless.
And also racist as fuck...
@@redbanner17 How is it racist? You do not know what racism is. Calling it racist, is racist. Kyle was the racist.
@ryne green You cannot give Obama credit for low unemployment, since his unemployment was much higher, and rose from the bush days. He spent 5 years rising the unemployment. Trump has spent 3 years halfing it. Not the same thing, right? And it was ironically worst for the blacks under Obama, losing their jobs to hispanics. Highest black unemployment rate. And that is why Kyle and the others will not debate black unemployment, and rather yell racist to derail it.
@@dnciskkk9037 Wrong. Unemployment spiked right after the crisis (Republicans crisis, by the way) and has being trending down at the same rate since then.
www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Unemployment-Rate_September.png
As you can see, it always trends down after a recession. Doesn't he much to do with obama or trump. Both their economic policies are written by goldman sachs, so stop the bickering. The bankers are getting away with all the money, you fools.
This wasn't even a debate it was more like just Charlie Kirk giving a speech. Seriously how come he had endless time to say whatever he wanted?
Moderator was impressed with him I feel
the moderator sucked
@@holysecret2 Impressed, biased there is a lot of more words to describe it.
Non-existent moderator
And that's the elephant in the room isn't it 👀
The random dude laughing while Charlie denied the Saudi corruption had me dying 😂😂
Yup, me too!!
Time stamp please, I don't have the patience to sit through the whole damn thang
Love coming back to this video to watch Kirk get obliterated.
Kyle barely had anything to obliterate anyone with 😂
@@jackmanhireiii try harder
@@cesargomez8887 maybe i'll say **** a lot to make it look like I'm trying harder.
@Brent 21 idiot.
@Brent 21 Truth lol.
If anyone else was as bad at their job as this moderator, they would be fired.
I feel he did a great job. He let Kyle stop Kirk's bullshit every time
@@screamityeah truue
I think should have reigned Charlie in a bit when he was cutting into Kyle's time and going on monologues.
@@DaWozzMan but Kyle stopped him. Called his bs and the moderador was fine with that. This was like a free format where they could stop each other most of the time.
@@screamityeah No, there were quite a few times where he tried to get Kyle to move on when he was making a point that destroyed Kirks.
Get you a girl that looks at you the way the moderator does at Charlie
That sounds like the complaint of a bad loser
@@seanie002 fuck off Kyle kicked his ass and considerably fewer words
@@thescopedogable True and imagine what could have happened if Kyle had gotten a word in, I think the moderator got mad when he was told by Kyle that the two didn't need him so then he didn't step in when Charlie Gish galloped for an hour.
@seanie002 your comment on the level of a Trump tweet
Lol the whole time he's like, "You okay, sweetie?"
Very obvious who is intellectually honest and who's a partisan shill here
Charlie Kirk literally lied about colin kaepernick. Before he was kicked out of the NFL, his final season was 16 TDs to 4 INTS. There are QB's in the NFL right now (eli manning) that barely can get this but for some reason Colin can't get on a team
Its more likely that he just forgot about the exact stats its kind of amazing how many stats hes memorized 14 and 4 are similar numbers he probably misspoke
@@alejandrodominguez1758 The issue is. If he said these stats, the WHOLE argument CHANGES. It goes from "The reason he isn't in the NFL is because he's a bad QB" to "The reason he isn't in the NFL is because he peacefully protested"
The Don well he wasn’t that great he was mediocre at best but yeah you’re right
@@alejandrodominguez1758 I mean Kapernick did to lead them to a superbowl so?
Sequoah Hicks that’s true but the next few years he played much worse. Cam newton had an even better history and was only recently resigned
New drinking game: take a shot everytime Charlie stops talking.
Are you sober too?
Completely. The debate is about over and I haven't had a single drink. How disappointing is that? I would have enjoyed at least one although no sane person could expect to drink under your game rules.🤔
Take a shot everytime Kyle drinks Seltzer
we could drink every time Kyle cusses instead.
Every time he says "President Donald Trump" is the game I'm playing
@William Fessaha nope. now f*ck off you small face regarding dullard
Charlie Kirk : " The US has a great economy because of the free market"
Also Charlie Kirk "The US is the most regulated."
And he never connects the two.
One of the reasons why I cant take them serious beyond the real damage their derangedness creates.
Also the US does not have an abundance of natural resources ummmm excuse me, what do you call the fucking oil wells.
He also complains about too much political correctness only to go on to criticize Kyle for swearing and getting angry about what he’s passionate about. lol
Kirk is just spewing typical right-wing hypocrisy & double speak; front & center.
The reguation is slowing the progress of the economy which is still very good
I like that Kyle seemingly started cursing more right after Charlie tried to use his cursing as a critique of his arguments lol.
Me being from Sweden, one of the worlds most developed welfare-states, I find Charlie’s ideas absolutely horrible and a possible nightmare if they were realized. Imagine living in a society where people disregard the responsibility to cooperate, cause that’s what he suggests. Cooperation is the very fundament of the modern civilization. And cooperation means sometimes making sacrifices, or taxes, to your tribe, in today’s term nation. You make those sacrifices because you HAVE TO, in order for your species to survive. It all really comes down to evolution, which really does make sense since republicans tend to frown upon it and stick to their religious fairytales.
This. This. This is one of the best arguments that the far right are anticooperation, and as such are antipopulist, and as such are misanthropic and antisocietal. i was reading a comment yesterday about was how one of the things a "moderate" right winger was frustrated by was how the left could mobilize better and as such capture the global story better than the right could.
@@ethanstump they indeed are anti cooperation, if their ideal society was to be implemented we’d go into a kind of modern Stone Age.
@@adnertga6559 from when I was born a part of the fringe Christian fundamentalist right then a secular identitarian right, more of a post apocalyptic society, whether that be religious, military, or zombie apocalypse, where your survival is solely based upon your survival skills and preparation. so i guess bronze age.
People like Charlie Kirk have been making their money for ages selling the idea that this is categorically against everything the US stands for, epitomized by the Wild West. There is SOME historical basis for this...except that I'm pretty sure that most people living in the Wild West at the time were probably trying to figure out how to develop it into some form of what we have today. In Charlie Kirk's world, half of the US would be looking like Tombstone (the Val Kilmer movie).
Bless you!
"Thank you for inviting me to the Charlie Kirk monologue night"
LMAO
@@Kirigirnz I think it was somewhere in the middle, but I don't have an actual timestamp for you
"Debates are the WWE of intellectual pursuits" -Kyle Kulinski
I want to disagree with him on that, but then you watch a debate like this and it's hard to call it anything else. "Charlie Kirk monologue hour"
Sean Morgan remember he only does this because his audience wants him to. It’s clear that a discussion format is better. For example the panel with Tomi.. debates are simply a show with roaring crowd
Yet he spent most of this debate trying to rile up the crowd and doing theatrics, which Charlie Kirk didn't do.
I guess that makes Kyle The Undertaker.
@@ClarkJosephKentJr it's not kyle's fault that Charlie has no personality, charm, or individual nature.
"The risk takers" lol 😂 What’s the risk when you’re filthy Rich And don’t pay any taxes
"We have the greatest economy in us history thanks to donald trump"
*insert pandemic*
*greatest economic colapse in U.S. history"
Aw yes aged like a fine milk
U mean thanks to leftist politicians shutting everything down to hurt trump and his voters? Along with the leftist media hyping up the fear to scare people
@@felipecortez1042 Leftist politicians like trump who announced the stay at home order?? It takes less energy to travel beyond the speed of light than it does to deflect that fact. His twitter speaks for itself
@@felipecortez1042 yeah f*ck those leftist politicians and their * checks notes * compliance towards medical guidance?
Anthony Lalama 🤬. They followed the rules.
@@felipecortez1042 since you took the time to respond to my comment i will respond to yours. Closing the country hurt everybody except the über-rich. Full stop. Dont fall into some partisan "us versus them" ideology. There was no leftist conspiracy to hurt trumps reelection chances hy shutting down the economy. At the very best you could claim its a corporitist conspiracy but blaming just the left ignores all the loliticians on the right who profited on the pandemic as well as those on the left. I dont have a stake in any party or nominee anymore. I just loved the comparison of then to now when looking at the state of the USA economy. You should really try starting with a neutral standpoint when talking to new people, in person or over the internet, it makes conversations less of a war or virtue signaling and more to that of the classic definition of a debate; a battle of ideas with the ignorant as the losers.
6 million people are no longer on food stamps:
Translation: 6 million hungry people lost access to a vital social program
Oh man, the propaganda is strong with Charlie Kirk, even I fell for that one in the debate. You see, this is why you need fact checking and *cough* a moderator *cough*
The majority of those jobs added are not Full Time employment either. Pathetic Argument by Kirk. As per usual
Good fuck them maybe now we can get some fucking open registers at the local walmart
We have the lowest unemployment ever, people just got jobs created by Trump.
@@native307 exactly. contract jobs and temp jobs, let alone low wages related to inflation
I wish Kyle was getting more talking time, I feel like for every minute he gets, Kirk gets five.
Yep It felt more like 15 nin
Kirk takes five
Yeah Charlie Kirk Gish Galloped the fuck out of this debate. Unfortunately there wasn't really much Kyle could do about this short from directly calling it out. This is where the moderator should have come in, but the moderator did nothing.
Kyle was correct that the moderator didn't even need to be there because it was as if he wasn't there already. Although if there was any influence in this debate the moderator had it was completely negative as the moderator would move on from one topic to the next robbing Kyle of his opportunity to respond to certain nonsensical claims made by Charlie.
@@joshhill212 Yeah, the moderator was sh*t. I hope they get a better moderator next time
I suppose Kirk is in home territory, right?
32:12
Charlie Kirk provided transport for insurrectionists on January 6th. The hindsight irony is stunning.
Charlie Kirk in 2019- “you don’t see people in maga hats beating police.”
Charlie after January 6-“It was ANTIFA!”
Lol share five videos of Jan 6 where they are...
I can share 30+ of Democrats doing it... ten being from one riot
You sound ridiculous I seen MAGA people beating cops and each other. FOOL JUST STOP WITH THE BS
There were no police bea at the cap
@@isaiahh3754Yes there were? Including one who died?
@@LowEffortMapping Hmm. One dead. None beaten. Absolutely NO police were battered whereas citizens are assaulted by police daily in the USA.
Charlie Kirk even lies about NFL stats. He had 16 TDs & 4 INTs his last year in the NFL.
Not 14 INTs. 😂
At least half the teams wish their QBs were that good...
Wow he really just straight lied... and no one called him out
dude nearly won a super bowl smfh
My take on Kap is he was high level backup qb. Teams viewed him as too much of distraction for a backup qb
He also went 1-10 as a starter
You can tell Kyle has his own ideas and opinions. Kirk is playing for a team.
Nah he just can't defend the lefts lunacy lol
@@wanded Not really anything Kyle said was lunacy? He's pointing out the double standards conservatives give to people on "their team"
His position on taxes and foreign policy are not unpopular either. Not really "lunacy"
@@wanded unless I misunderstand what you're saying
@@Consume_Crash Where did i say anything kyle said was lunacy?
kyle is also playing for a team, he says he is on the left and he says he supports bernie sanders, him coming out against obama means NOTHING now, where was he in his EIGHT years of presidency? where were the media? where were all the so called "non partisans"? yea thought so, nowhere to be found.
So sorry, but his "i'm my own guy with my own ideas" facade doesn't mean shit when he never showed any real push against the democrats he apparently "disagrees with on many issues" and kirk addressed this point at the end about kyle being a hypocrite, he has no real standard, kyle is pro big government on the shit he wants and against it when he doesn't care, kyle is left and a democrat when it's about things he cares about but when it's about things he can't defend like identity politics he's suddenly "an independent", how fucking convenient.
Until i see kyle fighting the notions he doesn't agree with on the left (identity politics, which bernie took part in btw), he's a hypocrite.
people aren't defined by what they are for, they are defined by what they are against, and kyle at no point showed he is against identity politics other than empty words and lip service.
@@wanded I actually agree with a lot of what you said, I'll just give my 2 cents in a couple areas.
1) I disagree with the notion that you have to be black and white on a position of 100% pro big government, or 100% against big government. I think he and others are right when they say it depends on what areas you're talking about for whether or not "big government" is necessary.
2) I don't watch his show as much anymore, but he's been pretty consistent about being against identity politics when Democrats use it. So it's not just something he used as a tactic to get out of an argument he can't win in this debate (assuming that's what you're implying). He's also been consistent about his criticism with Obama and lays them out cohesively in his Obama Presidency Report Card video
Charlie: "You only see political violence predominantly on one side..."
*that one didn't age quite so well*
Charlie Kirk not willing to criticize Trump at all is a good example of when you start caring more about winning than making the world a better place - when your team always has to be right and the other always wrong rather than being critical
Kirk: Oh please, name one example.
Kyle: Names an example.
Kirk: Well we can go back and forth like this forever lets move on.
almost all of kyle shit was debunked
@@art-gx7qp like what lol
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Examples? Or are you aware of your delusion and only protest out of tribalism?
@@art-gx7qp You are stupid.
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Idk what video you watched, but Kyle did all the debunking.
Charlie Kirk changes the subject everytime Kyle destroys his argument.
Objectively I felt Charlie won
which arguments did kyle destroy?
In terms of speaking time, yeah Charlie got to talk so much more than Kyle.
Charlie was spitting out facts, evidence, arguments while Kyle was acting like a fool trying to be a comedian.
That’s what we call “changing the goalpost” lol
Glad to see that overtime the comments saying Kyle did bad because he let Charlie talk more are gone and the majority of comments acknowledge the obvious, that being that Kyle totally humiliated Charlie.
6:10 "that's 6 million people that don't need to go get food stamps"
This man doesn't know how food stamps work
This means 6 million people arn't eligible for food stamps anymore because their income is too high lol
@@jackmanhireiii that doesn't mean they still don't need food stamps.
@@coroanmon10023 No it literal means they don't. Does it mean "we" (ive had food stamps.) Do we want food stamps? No shit I want free food. Do I need the government to aid me free food? Not anymore.
@@jackmanhireiii I agree but that still doesn't mean they don't need it. The cost of living varies from state to state. Plus you can make just enough to not qualify and still need it.
_"the constitution says our rights come from god, not from government..."_
*Actually nowhere to be found in the constitution.*
Actually it does what do you think “endowed by our creator” means?
@@theconservativemua4465 That's The Declaration of Independence, not the US Constitution.
@@theconservativemua4465 You've.. never read the constitution have you
@@theconservativemua4465 LOL someone just faceplanted hard.
Endowed by our Creator? What are you missing?
This is why I dislike live debates.
Charlie Kirk literally just sat there and told lie after lie while Kyle tried to be honest.
This is called gishgalloping.
Yes, debating the disingenuous is inherently flawed. People who buy into the lies unwittingly cannot be made to drink truth, they must choose to. The more facts you pile up to disprove the lies of the "right" just becomes more evidence of "oppression" or "the Devil's work." Unfortunately, it seems to take personal tragedy to get through to these people, but even that is not certain to work.
I got a head ache from it. kyle was right. charlie kirk monologue night.
There's a reason why academic debates are written and sourced instead of live streamed.
But this is the society we live in. We prefer spectacle over accuracy, which is why History and Science channel started airing reality shows and alien hunts.
The Metal Gamer This is why live debates seriously need teams of fact checkers and a collection of video clips and sources to back up what the debaters are saying in real time. It’s definitely not perfect or easy, but it’s a better way to keep some more legitimacy and integrity in these spectacles, even if a lot of people are watching just for the spectacle itself.
The Metal Gamer Exactly, another reason why Kylie Jenner and Cardi B celebrity gossip gets more attention than life threatening climate change.
Kyle! Stop hitting him! He's already Dead!
Kyle 1 min rebuttal
Charlie 3 min rebuttal
Kyle still wins 🤣
Charlie Kirks strategy: just talk without breathing so no one has the opportunity to respond.
Ben Shapiro would be proud if he was here.
I disagree, Charlie talked lies, proven lies, take Kapernick record , easily looked up. Most of the statements were bullshit or opinion . not facts...
@Harry Mann Jr LOL. Trumptard troll didn't watch the debate.
@Harry Mann Jr 1. "The individual and pass-through tax cuts fade over time and become net tax increases starting in 2027 while the corporate tax cuts are permanent."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act_of_2017
2. Changes in deductions mean it wasn't even a clear tax "cut" in the first place and in many cases actually tax increase for middle class families: thinkprogress.org/10-million-american-families-saw-tax-increases-under-trump-tax-cut-aa97d7aee410/
@Harry Mann Jr Literally everything you said there is just wrong. I recommend you try to inform yourself before you spit your opinion out in the world.
@@delos2279 10 million....out of what 100 million middle class people no shit it went up for some jesus christ that's the dumbest statistic, I honestly cant believe you cited that
"Jeff Bezos and I have an average net worth of 50 billion dollars" is my favorite line by far
Jess Schallenberg I'm using this line...
Wasn't the statistic about the average MIDDLE CLASS income ?
Well net worth is not only liquid money but everything you own minus what you owe.
I know I'm biased, but as someone who was on his high school speech and debate team, I think Kyle killed it. To show I'm not letting personal feelings get in the way, I'll concede Kirk is a gifted debater in his own right, much more so than Steven Crowder or Rave Dubin. The audience appears to have agreed, which is important, as they're not debating at the DSA headquarters where Kyle has homefield advantage.
This should be called: When Charlie speaks to an adult.
"Thank you for inviting me to the Charlie Kirk monologue hour."
I was literally getting heated for Kyle! This was ridiculous.
Not Charlie's fault Kyle doesn't know to how to fight in a debate. Bring someone better.....Hasan did better that's saying a lot. Oh and Cenk wasn't here to save Kyle 😕
CABdosdos very good point
@@CaBdosdos LMFAO. That must be some good stuff you're smoking. Too bad those of us who live in the real world know that Kyle bitchslapped the clown.
CABdosdos Kyle is way better than Hasan but Charlie is better at these style debates overall.
@@CaBdosdos The few times Kyle spoke, he beat the brakes off of Charlie's ass. He repeatedly exposed Charlie's hypocrisy and the constant use of skewed statistics, like using "averages" to avoid talking about how little the poor received in tax cuts vs. the rich.
Charlie: When you become president, are you just supposed to follow the Constitutional Law?
YES!
Syd Hamelin that moment was when Charlie lost the debate. There was no coming back from that level of stupidity.
No way did he actually say that
Surely not even Smallface is that fucking stupid
What a fucking unbearable strawman Kyle is. Conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory without any proof. Ucrania, Trump said nothing wrong but he is guilty just because its "obvious" he is, Saudi Arabia Trump has 4 billions but he would be corrupted by 0.3 million just because, and jared that was always rich made deals of 83 million like in all previous years and Kyle says "see??" What and unbearable conspiracy theory twat
@@jccgold ok .... 🙂
Conservatives never gave a shit about the constitution.
I can’t stand Charlie Kirk. He’s a hack right wing talking point generator.
How though?
TyetheRebel Lmao how is he a badass
@@jackmanhireiii His talking points are black in white. He doesn't acknowledge rules that rich ppl don't follow and how they control our government. He's making the case that our institutions are fair and that the rich doesn't make incentives to keep ppl poor and prioritize their own interest through our government. It's very easy to keep America uneducated like not allowing free college, not having wages increase, not making healthcare a right so no one become bankrupt and drown in medical bills. The rich have incentives to keep you poor, uneducated and divided on bs issues.
@@tokenetta8070 I can't argue the 1% has some "agenda" to truly oppress us and buy politics. Money needs to be abolished from politics but I encourage you to look a little closer. You talk about the 1%. Who is that exactly? I'm assumimg you don't think is Santa (lol).. Twitter, RUclips, Google, Facebook, Amazon.. They not only all fund democrats billions but theyre all pro socialism. Why? Because corporatism ("the control of a state by large intrest groups") can only be the power in a Socialist country where it can't in a free capitalist country with antitrust laws (which Roosevelt installed to combat Rockefeller, Carngie, and Ford). A free market works because its opens the floor for all businesses to supply demand and for us the consumer to be able to choose between products and price. But no one can compete with these tech companies because they'll buy them out (Facebook -> Instagram) or do some backdoor action (Twitter -> Parler Google -> Bing). Why? Because the internet was invented only 20 years ago. There are no regulations or antitrust laws regarding these platforms but the whole world including national governments rely on them. Look at cancel culture, these tech companies are subjectivly deplatforming only conservatives and/or anyone going against democratic ideology. Why would they just target a political view? Right or wrong why would they even care their a business company not a political entity? Why. If you we're the 1% and wanted to monolpolize your company to be the most powerful embodyment on the planet, you want to silence anyone who would not allow it. And, if you want to theorize, do you know what George Orwell says on how a trynanny ("a cruel and obressive government or rule") happens? The 1% turns the other 99% against eachother or towards another nation injusticely. Because at any moment we all can boycott these companies. We dont even pay to use them. Or we can literally just LEAVE. But if we're divided by entitlement and become dependent on monopolys and the government to live, the United States dies. And God forbid one man one day decides that my beliefs justify a holocaust. Want to know how Hitler historically persuaded Germany to let him rule? He controlled media. And what would I do if I was in the "1%" who wanted to control and oppress a country for power or money? I'd personally funnel billions into influencing media. I'd buy CNN, NBC, CBS and have them shit day in and day out on anyone who disagrees with me, I'd use my platforms to say the good guys are the bad guys and the bad guys are the good guys. Because when you control information you get to write information. "Socialism is good, Free Health care is good, free this and that, doesnt it "sound" good? I'll take care of you. You can trust me. Dont pay attention to all this complicated jargon conservative say about "Venezuela, economics, logistics, laws, taxes, powergrabs, Orwell, history..those are just "talking points".. Look you dont even understand it! Let me help you. FREE stuff. UTOPIA. Heaven on Earth my friend. Let me take you there." Then boom. When free capitalism is destroyed, and true conservatives and free thinking democrats/libertarians are silenced and out of Washington D.C... Bezos, Zuckablerg, and the others will literally own the White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court. We'll then all see what its truly like to be an oppressed country. We'll lose free speech, the fighters will lose thier guns, Christians and others will lose religous freedom, our consitition will be changed, business will die causing mass unemployment, and so much more.. I just encourage you to look past the surface. Ask yourself questions like "How does socialism work? Has it worked before? What are the economic impacts? How does a free market work? What are the pros and cons? Is there a middle ground? How many people actually die a year from police brutality? How many lives are saved? How would free college work? Do schools still have acceptance standards or can everyone go to Havard? Is Havard big enough for that many people? How many people actually don't have homes or jobs? How many do? How Bad is my life? How good is my life? When does a babys heart start beating? What does the Constitution actually say? How many successful legal immigrants do we have? How many criminal illegal immigrants do we have? Would crime and unemployment go down if we had closed boarders? How many women and childern are trafficked to/from Mexico? Are guns and drugs coming over the boarder?" Finding the answer to questions like these and forumlating your own opinions after the facts is where the fruitful debates begin.
As it is with most right wing pundits
Charlie: ’’we have the most free market, that’s why we be richest, enterpreneurship good’’
Charlie, two minutes later: ’’we have most regulated economy’’
You can’t make this crap up
"Jeff bezos and I have a 50 billion dollar average". Hahaha that was a good one kyle
I didnt get it, could you explain???😅😅😅
It means Bezos has such an insane amount of money that when adding Kyle's modest net worth and dividing that total in half you still get something like 50 billion, which is kinda messed up imo. He brought it up to show how Kirk's use of American's average wealth as a statistic can be very misleading.
@@trevorhast5367 ey man I appreciate that thank you very much you have a very blessed day.
@@DumbbelDeezNutzInYourMouth Thank you very much, you as well :)
If the U.S. did not include diaspora j e w s (ie: top 0.1%) in the average income numbers, the overall average would drop by nearly 5%.
Also, the majority of GDP growth is Wall Street growth in the form of Financial instruments (equities, dirivitives, default swaps, etc), not the productive economy.