Cenk Uygur vs Dinesh D'Souza at Politicon 2016 FULL DEBATE
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2016
- Politicon debate between Cenk Uygur (The Young Turks) and Dinesh D'Souza on June 26, 2016. Moderated by Steven Olikara
The controversial right wing author and filmmaker goes head to head with the progressive talk show host, debating a variety of issues facing America and the world.
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When I first heard of the YoungTurks I was frightened because they have the name of the group that committed the Armenian genocide.
Yeah they are just communists that agree with killing over 600k, with unproprtionate black babies, babies a year.
Cenk needs to learn that making ridiculous caricatures of people's arguments isn't an argument.
That is kind of all he can do though.
Super Man It's kind of infuriating, half the 'Debate' is just Cenk misrepresenting his opponent.
I am not at all defending this turd. I was just pointing out that he really seems incapable of doing anything else. I don't know why I am even watching this. He is one of the most annoying people I have ever seen.
Super Man Oh, sorry I wasn't trying to imply that you were defending Cenk or his position. I just had to express how frustrated I got watching this :/
Super Man There are some absolutely incredible strawman arguments toward the end. I used to watch TYT regularly, I didn't always agree with them but I thought they made some reasonable points, Cenk seemed like he was trying to see things from the other side occasionally.
I see increasingly fewer times where they conduct themselves with poise and integrity however. Instead their conduct has become worse and worse, driving away those of rational thought and as a result the only 'fans' they have left are the mindless drones Cenk referred to as the 'TYT Army'
Cenk: I don't read his (Dinesh's) books.
Dinesh: You don't read them, but you talk about them.
😆
And then Cenk made the point you haven't watched all my shows, does that mean that you (Dinesh) can't comment on them or my positions? The obvious answer is one does not need to consume everything the other person has ever done in order to debate them especially when they are literally sharing a stage. How did you miss that?
@@VanNguyen-dt6mo The reason that's not a valid comparison is because Dinesh hasn't commented on his shows, that's his whole point. If Dinesh had been talking about Cenk's work, and was quoting it inaccurately, Cenk would have every right to call him out on it, but Dinesh is smart enough not to do that.
Cenk tried to make an argument about Dinesh's book on Obama, by saying that it was pushing the racist stereotype of angry, raging black men, when if Cenk had actually read his book, he'd know that's not the case. Dinesh is saying that Cenk should've probably read the book, before making an entire argument based on the title of a book he'd not read. It's a valid criticism of Cenk, and a criticism that Dinesh is not guilty of.
The weakest form of argument is sarcasm and ridicule...and this was all Cenk offered!!!
He uses alot of distraction and deflection too
Trite sayings are lame. Taking them as fact is dumb. Of course a fool and a liar wouldn't want to be clowned.
Amen.
You guys like Dinesh D’Souza?
@@surreallife777 You are on the left? Are...are you kidding me???
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." ~ Socrates
I'm just saying....
I felt Cenk didn't want a real debate. He didn't want the truth and researched facts to come out so he distracted with childish retorts and pokes. Maybe he has the real truth of our convoluted history and it doesn't fit his narrative or he has confidence the audience has never been taught it so he blocks it from being heard. I don't understand why he can't just debate on the merits of the truth and the real happenings in our history with intellectual honesty and in full context. Hiding truth and manipulating the past is aiding to destroying our country. We can't make decisions without all the information in full and in truth. So disturbing and angering.
awesome
@@bullypulpit8715. You like Dinesh D’Souza? It’s true isn’t it?
LOL Cenk's best argument is "I brought TYT fans to this debate so they could cheer my applause lines"
For real. It was so gross.
Cenk rants and raves and plays to crowd “GOOOOOGLE IT” and then when he’s met with an intellectual argument, he resorts to ad hominem attacks on Dinesh.
Why are you even defending Dinesh? He's a criminal and a wife beater
Voicecolors I’m not. Just hating on Cenk the genocide denier.
OF COURSEEEE
@@Voicecolors He is not a wife beater he was set up and if you didn't know that you have no room to talk
@Jim myz LOL Facts are not ad hominem little boy ! Telling the truth is now an attack? Poor snowflake
Imagine being so unintelligent that you cheered for Cenk during this "debate." I almost feel bad they let someone so ill-prepared go up against a pro like Dinesh.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No need to feel bad. If cenk is dumb enough to go up against Dinesh then we get to entertain ourselves with watching him get destroyed
yeah these idiots are so close minded that it is scary
Cenk destroyed Dinesh.
The funniest thing is Dinesh was making a movie about Hilary Clitton corruption and bribery while he just got out of prison for bribery and is on probation as he stands on that stage.
Cenk is also alot smarter and has incredible loads of information and facts while Dinesh rebuttal with his terrible "logic" theory.
@@gchild123 8 months in jail and he wants to call somebody a crock
I've already counted at least 8 accusations of "racism" from Cenk toward Dinesh thus far. Dinesh to Cenk... 0. This couldn't be more predictable.
You should get Dinesh on your show!
Steven I would pay top dollar to see you destroy Cenk.
@stevencrowder what's up
Don't forget the angry caveman noises
Cenk is a bit left for me... But he is focusing on money in politics more than anyone... And that's issue number one...before all others in politics that we need to unite against. We can't get accurate representation in our politics for those other issues until we get money out.
Cenk may be the worst debater I’ve ever seen.
Jason Lefevers really? You must have a limited pool than... He hit all the points and pointed out the facts to support. He even educated the audience before denish used some tactics. The way Danish can't see that conservatives and liberals have never changed, only the names Democrats and republicans is pure amazingness.
You are a typical rich wing moron
Thanks
Wendy Ganon wow that was a really well thought response.... well, more like incoherent, idiotic but hey you do support tyt.
@@joeweaver1816 I noticed you in like three of these comments defending your boy Chunky. Look, he is a terrible debater because you never rely on "mob rule" when you debate against someone. Not only does that make you look like a bitch, but it shows that you can use your own fans as weapons and shields. This is probably one of the top 5 rules when debating if not the top rule. However, since you seem to be a fan of Chunky, I'm really not surprised you weren't aware of that.
Dinesh's book: It was a hot summer afternoon in India.
Cenk: Hey dinesh, remember in your book when you said you wanted to napalm strike the citizens of India?
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Lmao
the amount of personal attacks? does cenk have no shame ?
Cenk, you had no argument so you insulted Mr. D'Souza's movie. Seriously, dude, you're a grown adult.... The hell is wrong with you?
His movie IS shit!
Nolanlvr Have you actually seen the first one? It's actually not a bad watch.
+Dennis Walker Dave Rubin even quit to start his own awesome show!
that's how liberals do it, they are so open-minded that once someone disagrees with them they can't take it.
+soupit32 Got cut off there because I'm on mobile, my bad. But anyway, yeah, lately he has been collaborating with the likes of Mr. Yiannopoulos, and so you can watch him/listen to him at not only his own channel/show The Rubin Report, but also some recordings of the live events or on the weekly podcast of Milo's, or other similar-type places.
P.S. As you may find out if you watch/listen to anything with Dave and Milo, Dave is indeed homosexual (and married actually) despite it not being obviously apparent at all really.
~ Cheers!
Cenk got his ass kicked on corporations and their rights. So he resorts to saying nobody watched the other guy's movies.
And saying he went to jail- all of this is irrelevant to the debate, and is why Cenk lost.
Cenk really just uses school bully tactics...
TheTyrial86 And who owns a company? A person. Which means that government agencies infiltrating a company is abusing the owner's rights just like if they infiltrate a owner's home. So again, why does a business need constitutional right and why doesn't someone such as a person's home have one?
TheTyrial86 What? You might of been confused about what I said because you just went off into a whole different argument.
TheTyrial86 Ok. I understood what you mean't. "No corporation is owned by a SMALL group of people." and then so on and so forth.
Legal rights for a corporation is not the only answer to solve that issue. There could of been an regulation or inside corporation decision to have certain shareholders representing the corporation during legal deputes as well as internal decisions for which lawyers would be representing him/her during those types of dispute.
Agree or disagree with Dinesh, he was polite and respectful throughout this debate. He has done a lot of research and it showed. Cenk, on the other hand, clearly hadn't done any research prior and I have suspicions he went into this debate with zero notes. It showed. Anytime Dinesh asked him a question in history Cenk dodged the question because he didn't know. Cenk kept spewing assumptions and repeating popular narratives but never backing it up with evidence. Dinesh was a true scholar, Cenk came off as someone who came into the debate trying to remember everything he learned in Grade 12 history class. This is why he was louder and reduced his arguments to personal attacks on Dinesh. He had no counter-argument so he tried to put Dinesh on the defensive by slandering him. The true Young Turks would not be proud of Cenk's behaviour.
PowerfulPorpoise dinesh is the typical polite republican who is fine with carpet bombing middle eastern countries
Without the audience...Cenk would have CRIED...LITERALLY
Even with the crowd he looks like hes going to break down at any second.
Cenk truly is cringe worthy. He has no idea what the concept of nuance is, and his arguments are so unsophisticated that it's truly embarrassing. This is like watching a high school freshman debate a college graduate student.
+u2good2b4gotn no, he argues the way a kid argues on the playground. Strawman, ad hominem, logical fallacy after logical fallacy. Any first year law student knows that these aren't legitimate forms of debate, but you average Joe's eat it up.
+gabehall You don't have to be a first year law student to recognise incompetence and constant sidestepping. I barely finished high school but Cenk's incessant "see what he's trying to do here..." as a way of avoiding actually ANSWERING the question was blatant and plain obnoxious. "Let me 'expose' Dinesh's motive in asking the question, reframe it (all to give me more time to muster a coherent response), and then answer my own version of the question in such a way as to inspire cheers and applause for replies that wouldn't normally do much as merit acknowledgment..."
Cenk did all conservatives a service in showing that his monstrous ego is backed only by baseless arrogance, not on any understanding of truth or reason.
+u2good2b4gotn Presumptuous much? I didn't use Cenk as an opportunity to bash an entire political party, but you didn't hesitate to. Should I presume that because Cenk was unwilling to just directly answer ANY question that all liberals do the same? You know, the way you assume you know my political position on (everything?) because I objectively criticised this guy? Any opposition MUST be from a Republican because a liberal couldn't POSSIBLY be critical of someone in the same party... That says a lot about the way you view the democratics.
You're unreasonable, assuming, and make factual statements that have no evidence whatsoever; you're worse than Cenk. You're accusing and self-righteous and you should learn the art of objectivity.
I'm a Christian, conservative, I care about people, respect the Constitution, consistency, the facts & actual resolutions, and I don't immediately discount someone because of their political affiliation. And I don't support Trump.
+Eli Peart You should really support Trump because NOT supporting Trump is essentially a YES to supporting Hillary
+soupit32 I understand that position, but I believe integrity and steadfastness in one's principles shouldn't be compromised. Of course no candidate will ever be perfect, but I don't believe Trump has been consistent enough in many of his positions to be trustworthy.
Cenk needs to become a intellectual before he can have debates. Right now he's on a subhuman level.
Wow, what a really great way to talk about another human being. Were you very popular in school?
Well, mentioning someone's personal failures in a debate which has nothing to do with it is also not a great way to talk about another human being. But I guess if you're attacking a right winger it's OK? Learn to take criticism, you're taking yourself too seriously.
I guess I won't ever be popular around pussies that only compliment each other, sorry.
It means he has no credibility in the first place. Anyone going into a debate with Dinesh D'Souza will beat him in credibility.
Gotta read at least 1000 books before even trying to call yourself an intellectual.
52:00 that awkward moment when everyone in the room realizes just how childish Cenks arguments are...
Lmfaoooo you freaks lice in your reality right? You see what you wanna see right? Lol
Crack you’re smoking must be really good. Where’d you get it from?
It's hilarious how they just continue on
Cenk uses alot of snide comments to mask not having a good point or argument, its actually quite annoying. He still does it to this day.
Exactly. He speaks loud and says a lot of nothing and uses personal attacks. He is constantly using logical fallacies. But, then again, he is from the left. If you have no facts, that's the only way you can sound convincing.
Chunk: its nice to have fans
Souza: it's nice to have a brain
Spot-on! 1,000% correct!
By the sound of it, Cenk had Home Team Advantage.
Shame that not every team wins at home. 😂
Cenk wiped D’Souza and you have the nerve to say that. 😂😂
Cenk destroyed Dinesh.
The funniest thing is Dinesh was making a movie about Hilary Clitton corruption and bribery while he just got out of prison for bribery and is on probation as he stands on that stage.
Cenk is also alot smarter and has incredible loads of information and facts while Dinesh rebuttal with his terrible "logic" theory.
I am not a concervative or Trump supporter, but Dinesh clearly won this debate and seems much more articulate and intelligent that Cenk. Cenk behaves in an obnoxious and immature way most of the debate.
I have to disagree. I think Cenk won the debate, hands down. Staying seemingly calm (which Dinesh didn't do, as he insulted Cenk on several occasions, as early in the debate as 17:40 and completely unprovoked I might add) isn't what wins you a debate, it's who counters the other person's points the best, and Cenk obviously did this better.
+Chris Eshleman his only counter were personal attacks 🤔🤔🤔 that's not a debate. He came across like a kid throwing a temper tantrum... The vast majority of people agree
ilan chico
Where were the personal attacks? The only thing coming close was bringing up the hypocrisy of Dinesh calling Clinton a crook when he just served an 8 month sentence and is currently on probation for the next 5 years. He didn't personally attack Dinesh on any other occasion, and on this one, he was perfectly justified in doing so. You will, however, notice Dinesh call TYT watchers "goons" and call Cenk "stupid" on several occasions.
ummmmmmmmmmmmm I am unsure what debate you watched but it's there for anyone to see.. I won't debate over what took place in the debate when the video is literally right there... Cenk literally just keeps misrepresenting virtually everything dinesh says and then dinesh spends 5 minutes explanining how he is doing this... the same thing happens with sam harris and virtually everyone else cenk debates... He never actually says anything...
+Chris Eshleman how about the completely irrelevant point of bring up his divorce while he was trying to present facts
Still waiting for Cenk to make an actual argument without reverting at ad hominems. Literally every sentence he said was an ad hominem
Click the replay button and watch as many times as necessary. Cenk responded to every diatribe Dinesh came out with, put everything into context, and then shut him down with the real facts, and when appropriate Cenk even explained how Dinesh is trying to misguide you.
RIP Cenk...
Dinesh D'souza is a Gangsta...
no he's a liar don't promote him as anything positive
Cenk "debates" like a complete child. One liners and half assed jokes don't hold any weight in a real debate looking for real solutions.
nope. Cenk gave hard hitting facts while that indian guy kept talking about debt
+Juju jujuria Dinesh D'souza absolutely DESTROYED him, what are you talking about?
+Juju jujuria Cenk had no sources for any of his claims, and avoided facts himself.
+Isaac Jones (Jonesizzle) How? Cenk looked at the facts with context and countered him every time. He had accurate facts on his side too. But with context to back it up. Sad so many people can't see that.
Cenk is the king of ad hominem and straw man arguments.
you're right, Cenk went ad hominem, over and over, so he loses by default.
i agree with Cenk on most points which is upsetting because he has the superior arguments. odd he fail so horribly on ad hominem.
u235u235u235 which points would that be?
Can you name one ad hominem or straw man argument that Cenk made?
And if you are going to reply with "lol your stupid!" instead of naming one becuase you can't, then don't reply.
Aww, he Googled ad hominem because he saw in on Twitter. Now he’s “smart” guys. He showed Cenk.
Goddang, can’t sound more like a tired cliche trite even if you tried harder!
Wow this YoungTurks guy is not so bright. It's painful to listen to him.
I love the fact that Cenk is getting destroyed in the comment section of his own channel.
Miguel Martins and the fact that every time Cenk is losing he comes up with a personal attack.
Johnny Borrelli yeah I mean they did start that before on Twitter, but when it comes to a debate where people are actually spending money to attend (at least I’m assuming, I’ve never been to politicon) it’s time to put the insults way for both of them but more specifically Cenk, you can say whatever u want to someone behind a screen. But when you are debating issues, especially in an election year, it’s more important to have a debate instead of a rap battle
Well the conservatards found this video
Watch from 33:53 and listen very very carefully and you will learn and see how Dinesh and right-wing talking points get demolished over and over again like a teacher admonishing a child.
Cenk: "Nobody disputes this except you!"
Dinesh: "That's not true! I dispute it!"
I lost it when he said that 😂
😂😂😂
Ikr that was hilarious XDXD
Yes, we shall make the Internet Great Again. We don't win enough internets anymore. We're going to stop losing internets, and start winning.
He was stumbling mumbling and shaking. That's when you know that HE knows he's getting annihilated........ Dinesh is one of those right wingers that you can plainly see he actually does not believe in his heart of hearts his views are right.
Why did TYT post this? Cenk should be embarrassed.
You should be embarrassed for thinking that.
oolong2
You should be embarrassed for thinking that I should be embarrassed for thinking that Cenk should be embarrassed.
+thesparitan it's just a silly meme
+oolong2 Cenk crushed DDS. These people must not have watched the whole debate, are 100% stupid, or are just simple-minded trolls. Poor DDS, he just couldn't get it. He even negates himself several times. There is NO comparison; Cenk won. #slamdunk
+Ma 'am personal attacks left and right from chunk and D'Souza lost?
I LITERALLY can’t watch this because Cenk ALWAYS sounds like a petulant child....it’s so grating.
Lizzie Luxe I’m assuming you think trump speaks like a leader ?
Christopher Hernandez I think Trump speaks like what he was elected for...a no nonsense Leader who doesn’t have time for bs. No more tippy toeing around serious issues that need to be addressed
Lizzie Luxe well don’t say such an ignorant comment when you are judging an attorney debating on a informal platform but say differently about the LEADER of our country which doesn’t act or have policies like one.
Lizzie Luxe also your response was so typical ... justifying trash doesn’t make it right.... it’s still trash at the end of the day
Christopher Hernandez I’ve watched hundreds of hours of Cenks young Turks videos...he’s a petulant child. He never presents facts, skirts around any questions asked of him or insults the people that actually do have thought provoking ideas. He’s an idiot...I don’t care what it says on his degree
This debate made me feel sick. Cenk was as rude as he could be constantly talking about how stupid Republicans are and avoiding answering many of the questions. If he could not answer he would revert to insults and yelling. That makes me sick. You cannot treat dinesh like he is stupid and then not answer the questions yourself.
Anneliese Martin it’s frustrating arguing with ignorance
Cenk, you got steamrolled on literally every topic aside from who's more popular
You can’t handle the truth
All Cenk tries to do is throw insults. He always embarrasses himself. I'm not sure how this guy still has fans.
You do need an argument, because no one will ever change their minds or come to other points of view without being exposed to new ideas and honestly comparing them to your own. Real dialogue is how people grow, not this insult throwing.
+dimo s dinesh is stating facts cenk doesn't like to mention.
***** it is also a fact that cenk is a fat baby when he is faced with facts and a great debater.
Dinesh was right, it's not all about what happened, it's about justice and about fair punishment. Democrats have done much worse, like slavery, KKK, and much worse corruption.
***** Excuse you but you are dead wrong. All the Dixiecrats stayed democrat and died democrats. The only one who actually switched was Strom Thurmond and he ended up making black appointments. Nixon was the only president who actually enforced Brown v. Board. So please stop with the revisionist history. Republicans didn't go from 100 years of supporting civil rights and freeing the slaves to racists. Dems like to whitewash and recreate this fantasy that absolves them from taking responsibility - they are the same today as they were back then.
0 evidence. 0 proof. 0 logic.
***** 0 proof. All you have are your accusations and your own inner hatred. You think everyone is a racist because YOU are the racist.
I dont know who Dinesh is, I dont know who Cenk is, but watching this debate, Cenk is obviously a bully, Dinesh is obviously genuine, when Cenk throws nasty slogans at Dinesh it just shows how low Cenk is, Cenk can you actually debate and not insult? Cenk should sign up for "insult shows" I cringe everytime Cenk throws insults...who in the world would ever want to hear Cenk talk ever again? I dont... Dinesh is genuine you can say it about him just by looking at his face and how he expresses himself. Dinesh won my vote
Ig A dinesh is a conservative film maker
Wow, Dinesh argues Obama doubled the debt. Cenk asked how do debts grow? Dinesh answers annual deficits. Cenk points out that Obama inherited a record deficit from Bush. Therefore why did the debt grow during the Obama years? Obviously because of the record deficit Obama inherited. Those are facts and logic, not an insult.
The reason Cenk has to get personal against his opponents is because he can’t substantiate an argument 🤷♂️ Change my mind
What Facts Did Dinesh Bring Is What I'm Still Puzzled About??
Cenk has lost all credibility!!!!
6 years ago.
he has sold his soul to the devil AKA George Soros
How exactly?
don't take my word for it. research it.
+mejw1 Any leader of Israel holds the mantle of devil, just look who's pulling George's strings....
"No one goes to your movies anyway!" Truly an intellectual giant
GoldenKnight582 All of Cenk’s arguments are followed by ad hominids. It’s annoying and it’s there to distract the audience from the fact that he’s constantly dodging questions.
Lets be honest, they are both dodging questions pretty heavily.
Ian Blunden No Cenk really is the only one. If it seems like Dinesh is, it’s because Cenk is asking the same question over and over and Dinesh already answered it, or it’s a rhetorical question leading to another ad hominem, and finally Cenk uses the common moving goal posts strategy to move around his questions.
Dinesh The one who bought it up lol don't get mad 🤣🤣
@@tuffmoney9433 Dinesh's movies draw more attention than cenk ever will, cry about it.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. ~ Socrates
Donald Trump?
How can people follow and listen to somone this disrespectful. Cenk please watch your ownself and learn how to have a genuine debate without spreading hate. Dinesh thank you for your authenticity, you have earned my respect sir!
What planet are you on? Dinesh says disrespectful things REGULARLY; he’s a very crafty and intellectual manipulator of the English language. He uses paradoxes, and cunning expressions with subliminal messages. One must listen closely to understand.
What are you smoking? Where do you get it from?
@@user-hn7sg4vk6c Objectively incorrect. Cenk tried to bully the conversation and to use logical fallacies. The left have no facts. We can prove that right here.
Cenk is CLEARLY not as intelligent as Dinesh!
u can write that again...let see if YOU are intelligent to get that
***** Wow, in your profile pic, you look just like your mom.
Judo Lover
don't know if true, i never knew my parents, they were killed, in plane crash many many years ago. so try something else
.. was raised by monastery
They probably committed told the pilot to crash the plane to end their misery at the knowledge that they were your parents.
Redrum
c again, the education level of gop is amazing.
pilot are usually guaranteed to die. I highly sugguest you to go to school
Why are so many of Cenk’s answers a direct attack rather than a direct answer?
Because D'Souza is a documented direct liar.
@@MLP88 proof ??
@@MLP88 it’s ironic bc u just lied lmao
@@InTheZ0n3In a review for IndieWire, film critic David Ehrlich wrote, "This is the same old dog and pony show upon which D’Souza has built his brand. It’s his usual shtick of piggybacking a baseless personal attack onto a pseudo history lesson, a feature-length dog whistle that’s blown at a pitch so high that only the most ignorant or paranoid of people are capable of hearing it." Writing in The Guardian, Jordan Hoffman described the film as "paranoid" and "so demented that no synopsis could do it justice" and D'Souza as a "simpleton". He goes on to say that the basis of the film, the "purposely misunderstood fact" that "the Republicans used to be the good guys when it came to the issue of racial equality in America" is as surprising a discovery as the Soviet Union being an ally of the United States in World War II because: "things change, and labels are semantics, and the concepts that bind a political party then might not be the same ones that bind them now." Dann Gire of the Boston Herald called the film "an embarrassment to propaganda films", full of "mind-boggling conspiracy theories" and "fried thoughts and lapses of basic journalistic practices".
But even the guy you cited, is stating an opinion. Which could very well be wrong. Perhaps look into some of Dinesh’s lectures and maybe state an opinion of your own? Still, cenk attacking dinesh doesn’t prove his arguments as correct
Cenk is like the jock bullying the nerd. Instead of listening to the facts he covers them over with generalizations, all while continually trying to use the crowd as a source of legitimacy.
Jamie Phillips exactly. so juvenile
Dinesh is completely trapped in the left vs right paradigm. He thinks attacking the Democratic Party is a solution. Cenk argues for morality today, regardless of party. People who fall into the left vs right paradigm are victims of propaganda 101. I think dinesh made some good points, but he’s never getting at legitimate, real solutions for today. He’s very out of touch. Cenk has no interest in arguing in favor of Hillary Clinton like dinesh assumes he would. His points about Obama doubling the national debt are especially egregious. Obama inherited control of the country right as Bush’s 8-year run ended when his policies led to a massive stock market crash. Obama isn’t perfect, but dinesh’s logic is just asinine.
@@AM-cr5vk Cenk literally never present evidence for his claims
Dinesh brought facts to this debate.
Cenk brought people who agree with him.
Cenk destroyed Dinesh.
The funniest thing is Dinesh was making a movie about Hilary Clitton corruption and bribery while he just got out of prison for bribery and is on probation as he stands on that stage.
Cenk is also alot smarter and has incredible loads of information and facts while Dinesh rebuttal with his terrible "logic" theory.
You will notice through the whole debate.
Denish spoke to Cenk.
Cenk spoke to the audience.
Which one had more respect for the other and the debate? Which one was smug and fishing for audience approval?
Sorry Cenk, but yelling is not an argument.
Neither is your comment.
+Mr E I'm not trying to argue, I'm making a claim.
Dennis Walker
YOU BLASPHEMER! jkg. Lol!
Dennis Walker
Lol.
Truth
I now feel dumber listening to Cenk.
Crank perfectly demonstrated how to evade answering questions, while simultaneously projecting onto his debate partner. It reminded me of how Dinesh is a gentleman and Cenk, not so much.
Cenk also demonstrate Transference, it shows when he recalls our American history and states, “because we did it!!!” Not one country has a spotless historical record. Cenk has cherry picked facts to misrepresent and then holds onto the veracity of his interpretive facts as if they decided law.
This wasn't a debate. All cenk did was use personal attacks, and when the other guy would defend himself, cenk would just get louder. embarrassing
because he had to repeat himself over and over again since dinesh didn't get it
It was too easy and it revealed dinesh rediculouseness
I think you should watch the whole video. Your comment is premature and I can tell you didn't even watch the whole thing or listen to it. All you gotta do is plug it into your car and listen to it.
I watched the whole debate. Cenk played all liberal/progressive slimy tactics. Yell racist/sexist/bigot/homophobe/xenophobe/islamophobe/top 1%/top 1%/top 1%... to win the argument by planting people in the crowd.
nelo agreed
Cenk is nuts, he doesn't listen or even seem to care about what Dinesh has said, he just creates his own narrative out of thin air.
dinesh is a crook
Leftists feelings are more important than reality
if by crook you mean he did something stupid and broke the law then yes, if by crook you mean he tried to corrupt the system for his own power and gain then no, because that's not what he did according to US law that he breached.
Cenk’s entire debate philosophy is “appeal to the crowd and slander your opponent”
Cenk destroyed Dinesh.
The funniest thing is Dinesh was making a movie about Hilary Clitton corruption and bribery while he just got out of prison for bribery and is on probation as he stands on that stage.
Cenk is also alot smarter and has incredible loads of information and facts while Dinesh rebuttal with his terrible "logic" theory.
I wish Cenk would cool it with the sarcastic tone and senseless mocking. It made everything he said sound like rhetoric.
I don't know what's more frustrating here - Cenk's '"arguments" or the fact that he seems to think he's performing well.
It's very honourable that TYT didn't take down this embarrassment of a video. If you honestly think that Cenk won this debate, please remove yourself from the gene pool.
SilentSputnik strong words in support of a delinquent, don't you think?
Cenk destroyed Dinesh on almost every topic. Dinesh was incoherent.
I saw denish dance around every single topic, set up cenk with "gotcha" questions then fail anyways, and switch topics mid sentence because cenk said something or shifted his body posture. Your boy got whooped.
SilentSputnik looks like you were right by the replies given. Let’s hope they don’t reproduce.
" I realized how the world actually works" that made cringe so much , you can tell he's not even convinced by it himself 😂
I think cenk s debating days are over after this and Ben Shapiro he has no idea how to debate. He slanders you and uses one liners but never gets into context of anything. Just like he said at the beginning “I brought them” meaning the crowd which means he’s relying on the crowds cheering but has nothing to say. Cenk is the worst person I’ve ever seen in any debate.
I'm sorry, I have to call it like it is. Cenk is losing.
Aaaaand at about the 30 minute mark, D'nesh lost me. The Democratic Party of today isn't the same as the Democratic Party of then.
You sure about that? Different message, same goal. Just my opinion.
+julian alexander what is the goal?
Wario Racer Speaking broadly, taking over the country. Ending the constitution, and making it tyrannical.
+julian alexander I don't think the majority of the Democratic Party sets the things that you listed as "GOALS". I, as a liberal don't believe that myself. What I do think is that you believe that the IDEALS that the Democratic Party supports CAUSE the things that you listed. There is an extremely distinct difference between those two.
A demonstration of heat vs. light, ignorance vs. intellect. Dinesh came expecting an acedemic debate, Cenk came to audition for the WWE.
Cenk was the one expecting an academic debate but got an insultingly deceptive tool as an opponent.
Mat Bearden - Easy, just scroll up. Please link the video you were watching!!
@@tinasheroy Bob, you are extremely dumb, so much so, that I pity you. If Cenk was expecting a civilized/academic debate then Cenk would've cleared the air when Dinesh was trying to deceive because Cenk would have to be the Academic correcting dineshes filatious points. But Cleary, thats not what happened. In fact, Dinesh was the one who was trying to correct him and Cenk was the deceptive tool trying to deceive. Projecting sins on your opponent is a tactic the left executes, and you as well. Your comment says it all.
@@vince4213 dumb much
I like Cenk, but Vince is not wrong here. Why do you have a problem being fair on the situation? Be genuine. If what vince is saying is wrong then express it.
I found this debate posted on Dinesh’s channel and I scrolled down to read the comments. Almost all comments were against this Cenk guy. Then, I found that the same debate has been posted on TYT channel too. So I came in here and glanced over the comment just to get a perspective. But here too, this Cenk guy is roasted. And that told me a lot. Then, I started watching the video and within minutes, I found why this guy got so many bad feedbacks. Really, this guy is so irritating. He is so shameless in throwing ad hominem continuously at a debate. He didn’t even care to be legally correct about the charge which Dinesh went to jail for. Like a boy, he just throws charges like “corruption” and “bribery.” How ugly and disgusting and dishonest he is!!??
I did the same! Came here for a different perspective. Cenk must be truly what both channels claim him to be.
Chunk is just a bully. In this contest of intelect, he was like the guy who brings a knife to a gun fight.
m8, he barely brought a thumbtack
Cenk should really just stop debating conservative intellectuals. He should stick to his progressive echo chamber show
agree. They fare best with their young turds circlejerk
Club Soda who's trying?
Club Soda I don't think he's trying to have an actual discussion about policies. He's purposely changing the subject and making personal attacks in order to avoid getting trapped by Dinesh's arguments
Just like with Ann Coulter, Cenk got slaughtered, what a surprise.
Cenk was an embarrassment to the debating world, he belongs on RUclips with all the other looney toon media
***** LOL excuse me? are you seriously trying to argue that Cenk won? HAHA what? Cenk had to make up arguments to respond to against Ann because he couldn't even respond to her actual arguments. You are insanely delusional.
How?
***** No, that's what makes it so pathetic that Cenk lost to her
+Tony S. I would have to state that you might be the troll. Cenk can't have an intelligent conversation. Ad hominem attacks is all he has in his rather week arsenal.
"cover the news fairly"
-biggest lie of 2016 by cenk
My politics has been on the left for the most part, not the radical left but I considered myself a liberal. I became a fan of Dinesh after watching this debate. I may not agree with everything he says but I respect the way he presents his argument based on facts that can be verified. For example, I didn't know till today that of all the "dixiecrats" in the south, only 3 left the party to convert to the GOP after the Civil Rights Act was passed. I don't think Cenk knows this fact. His style of debating is to shout, insult, sarcasm and very unprofessional.
I too was on the left and currently am an Independent. I never knew much about the young Turks or heard this guy Cenk. I watched this debate only because I have huge respect for Dinesh. This guy Cenk was an embarrassment from the first time he opened his mouth. He’s no match for Dinesh so he has to resort to attacking Dinesh by being crude, loud, disrespectful to both Dinesh and all in attendance. I’m tired of listening to extreme progressive rhetoric and broad generalizations vs. intelligent debate.
only 2 i believe.
Even if you disagree with Dinesh, he still won the debate. Cenk was hardly debating, but rather character attacks, than ideals.
Dinesh shouldn't have committed a crime then there wouldn't be anything to attack.
+Stephen Joiner lol, ad hominem is for idiots like you ;)
+Stephen Joiner His "crime" was donating money to a canidate. And he got jailed for a while. Though most punishments for that crime is a fine. You have google. Read up before you say something that makes you look like a degenerate
+Torbjorn Wodinheim That's not debating, that's distracting. Cenk is a pro at speaking the language of the sheep.
that's his whole job
Condescension and pointing to his zombies for feedback, is not how you win a debate. Dinesh wins this hands down. And, hey Chunk, I'm black and I'm proud to be an American. Right now in Africa - I could be the victim of a 20 year famine, or inter-tribal warfare, or fighting a lion for my food. Instead I'm producing a TV show and I'm writing movies from a great apartment in Texas.
So you are a self-hating, slavery and Jim Crow apologist. Nice. I can see why Republicans and the right wing are so appealing to you. You just hate yourself and generalize blacks just as much as any white racist. You yourself are a racist.
TRIGGERED
I'm sorry mister SJW, you have just generalized against black people and republicans. Also, it seems that you got triggered because this black person doesn't fit your victim projection. Also, what makes you the authority on saying who is racist and who is not?
Furthermore, since I read and know my rights, and know how to work the system, instead of murmuring something about "systematic oppression of melanated peoples", I THRIVE in it. Shove that black fist medallion and your BLM t-shirt square up your ass.
jaguilar7643 That is a moral argument and it actually makes no sense. You're overflowing with white guilt, it's not healthy. I suggest you research your cause before you attack people and show everyone how stupid you really are. But saying that you agree with Cenk the primate tells a lot already.
Everytime cenk speaks he either turns to the audience for confirmation or attacks dinesh' s character instead contending with points made. Its disgusting.This isnt a debate its a charade.
As a conservative, I previously thought that Cenk was genuinely a good person. That changed when I witnessed him personally insult Dinesh, mock him, and misleadingly quote him. Wish I had seen this earlier.
I love how cenk thinks he knows more about the crimes D'nesh D'souza committed better than D'nesh D'souza
Same!!! LITERALLY yesterday I had the thought “I don’t agree with the young Turks but I respect them because I think they really believe in what they’re saying” just to come here and watch cenk debate like a middle school mean girl... the respect is dwindling down lol
Wow Cenk is accusing Dinesh of misleading when he is clearly the one doing so. I can't believe I was a fan of the TYT but I took the red pill. Its important to be open minded and see these Liberals for what they really are.
Well... so now that we have a Right Wing, psychopathic dictator as President, how is that Liberal issue working out for you? Corporations still people?
I also dont understand why i was such a fan of that dickhead and his trash channel...
Great to see that even the liberals are starting to reject the garbage that TYT puts out.
Welcome to the RIGHT side 😉 get it?
@@jakobsalvador2489 GTFO
You could literally get any random person on the street, without preparation, without knowing the issues up front, and they would win in a debate against Dinesh D'Souza. In fact, you could have D'Souza debating against an empty chair and D'Souza would lose.
x')
😂😂😂
it was cenk who lost clearly
Deepak rao
lol
+enlessdreams Even a dog eating his own vomit is at least eating.
Dinesh is the man! Dinesh, Shapiro & Crowder have all buried Cenk repeatedly. I don't understand why his ass keeps coming back to just get man handled over & over again.
Cenk destroyed Dinesh.
The funniest thing is Dinesh was making a movie about Hilary Clitton corruption and bribery while he just got out of prison for bribery and is on probation as he stands on that stage.
Cenk is also alot smarter and has incredible loads of information and facts while Dinesh rebuttal with his terrible "logic" theory.
The like to dislike restores my faith in humanity.
Cenk resorts to personal insults as he has no real arguments.
Sounded to me like he had some excellent arguments.
All of cenks arguments are idiotic he can't back up anything he says with real facts just like every other liberal goon
He does make some competent arguments at some points, but is entirely disingenuous and crass when facts or questions lean even slightly out of his favor.
+Imfphas20
Like what argument?
If it were't for ad hominem and straw man arguments, Cenk would've been mute the whole time.
That's just untrue. Can we please actually talk about the merits of the debate? Instead of criticizing Cenk's presentation?
+Mr. Stonefallow No because treating others with respect is more important than talking about what treating others with respect means in society
thebullybuffalo That did not make any sense in the context of my post. I said let's talk about the merits of the debate, I didn't say let's talk about what respect means. Are you trying to say that Cenk's lack of respect is more important then the actual arguments in the debate?
Mr. Stonefallow Depends what the argument is about but that's clearly not what my comment said. My comment meant that a conversation about social injustice is meaningless when the person arguing his point is treating others badly.
thebullybuffalo I disagree. Cenk is free to be a douchebag, that is his right as an individual. The debate is about political freedoms/restrictions that should exist within the government. I suppose in some grander sense, being a dick is a social injustice, but are you really going to use that as a deflection of real substantive discussion? It seems to me that you are also violating the spirit of ending social injustice.
Pro tip any time Cenk says oh golly gee he is completely wrong and caught in a trap
I thought liberals were supposed to be young and hip, especially a group called "The Young Turks", but their vocabulary consists of "google it" and "golly gee".
Cenk is so immature ... doesn't read the book... but he's critiquing it. does that even make sense?
Dinesh doesn't watch TYT... does it mean he can't debate Cenk's ideas? Cenk just asks him questions about the book and what Dinesh has said in it. What's wrong with that?
@@LunaElectrolysis Dinesh wasn't making outlandish claims that "Cenk said this" or "Cenk said that". For Cenk to try to quote Dinesh he would have to have read his book. He wasn't and was trying to lean on the trained seals he had in the audience to clap everytime he resorted to as hominem
I honestly can't believe anyone actually follows Cenk, he literally argues like a child. Name calling, straw man arguments and absurd statements it's all right there (if you can stomach listening to him for more than a minute).
Nice job mentioning specifics! And also both sides did namecalling.
Actually no, Mr. D'Souza did not resort to name calling.
Cenk goes after Dinesh and Ann Coulter with their own medicine but I agree it's not the best way to win arguments.
You haven't watched, read or listened to much of Ms. Coulter or Mr. D'Souza have you? If you did you never would have made that comment. They don't argue anything like Cenk, it's literally night and day between them. They use facts throughly researched, Cenk uses shiny objects and slander.
If you don't think Ann Coulter uses personal attacks against her opponents in debates I don't know what to say to you...
47:10
Dinesh: You don't read them, but you talk about them...
Chunk: Have you watched every one of my shows?
Dinesh: No.
Chunk: How dare you! Don't talk about anything I said.
Dinesh: I didn't even talk about your show.
Chunk: Al-right, by the way...
LOL.
Lol! I died when I heard that. Cenk is a joke.
and somehow the chunk has the crowds eating out of his hand
did you not catch the sarcasm? jeez dude
My point exactly. He has a child mentality.
Cenk debates like a child in a lunchroom
Blows my mind that Cenk actually compared Dinesh's illegal act to Hillary's corruption. Especially AFTER he said that Dinesh just made a stupid decision. And then he says that Dinesh is the last person that should comment on the corruption of Hillary Clinton because he spent time in Jail for INEPTITUDE!!! not for corruption. So, yes Cenk, Dinesh is completely justified in commenting and analyzing Clintons corruption.
The point isn’t that Hillary isn’t a crook. It’s just ironic and hilarious that he spent time in jail for campaign finance violations, but calls someone else a crook.
Cenk was out of his league in this debate.
But Dinesh totally met him half way on a lot of topics. Right.
+GoodSteve123 So are you really Cenk, or do you simply suffer firm the same sort of stunted mental ability?
Boo Berry
Yeah, we got the same thing. It's called common sense and logic. It's a real one-two punch. Very rare nowadays and untreatable. I'm not surprised you've never heard of it.
GoodSteve123 I'd say it's more like developmentally stunted and petulant, but you call it whatever you need to in order to feel better about yourself.
All those characterizations you made above regarding Dinesh's positions are half-truths or outright lies. It's like you intentionally didn't even listen to what he was really saying.
Like Cenk, you're a simple-minded ideologue.
GoodSteve123 *"He was trying to suggest that slavery worked out for black people in the end."* Listen to it again. He was discussing a point made by Mohammed Ali. I've also heard the same point made by African-Americans. I worked with a man that took a trip to the "Motherland." He cam back and literally told me to my face: "I'm so glad my ancestors were slaves. That place is miserable." Now does this translate into every single bleeding heart out there having the insight to understand or appreciate the position? Of course not. Some people simply thrive off of perpetual grievance.
D'Souza already lost the debate in the opening. India was governed by socialists? The not so smart and lazy guy has two cars and a nice house, wtf??? He is so devoid of reality it's almost funny. Almost.
+Chancho Bandito have you seen India? lmaoo that's far from a socialist country.
*****
Not sure if sarcasm or genuine ignorance.
+Change it to wumbo yeah, also not to mention do we really even know if the facts of India are true? I haven't seen India from anything other than Bollywood. It looks nice? XP
Yes, India was mostly ruled by a socialist party since its independence in 1947. The party is INC. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Congress
MrTruam
Given the results of the Indian National Congress, I think I can safely conclude that it's socialist in the same way the Communist Party of China upholds communist principles (it doesn't).
Tyt deletes all the top comments saying how cenk got owned. Lol
Who is Cenk really debating? He seems to have updated the strawman argument to 2.0. It is like he is debating his own demonized version of Dinesh in is head and it happens to come out loud. He shouts, screams and makes strange voices and postures. The audience is his therapist whos acceptance he is longing for. This was pretty disturbing.
Omg I love this 🤣🤣🤣
a conservative American who is an immigrant from India....how does he not implode from the force of contradiction?
I don't see the contradiction? Could you please spell this out for me?
+azapps conservatives champion anti-immigration, especially of people from "third world" countries. Do you disagree with that? because the guy currently on the Republican ticket doesn't, same with the people who are voting for him.
How is it a contradiction.
A gay, Muslim, liberal. That's a contradiction someone might implode under, or explode.
Indian immigrant, came legally, looking for work to prosper, loves his freedom and wanting to protect it and himself. Republicans don't go against immigration. that is a lie that Cenk and other liberals paint so people like you will stay with the democrats. It aids them in the racist party lie.
Bridgette Gabriel- a Lebanese immigrant, came to America legally. She is a middle eastern woman who has seen 1st hand what it is like to live next door to extremist, to live in constant fear, has seen her community raided and her people persecuted for their beliefs. She came to America looking for freedom and safety. She has embraced America has her home and loves it. She is a republican.
Tyt doesn't want you to know it but at republican rallies there are legal Mexican immigrants and black people there in support of the Republican Party. You may not believe there are republican Mexican Americans but there is video evidence you could find if you wanted to step outside the echo chamber.
Dinesh kicked Cenks ass! Hands down!
? much like logic kicked yours?
Short Limb Change the second part of your name to brain.
Judo Lover said the guy w/o one. pfft you're too easy, you bore!
Short Limb Well I was going to say change the second part of your name to pee-pee, but I was trying to be nice.
Judo Lover that's funny cos it actually means big dick, hence short limb haaaahahahaha
what's also funny is that you guys swear buy tiny 'hands' trump!
what else ya got Dinesh fan!
it seems like I'm taking Cenk's role here! haaahahahaha
Cenk is so disrespectful and full of contempt.
This is not a debate; only Cenk shouting over and interrupting Dinesh every time he tries to respond!
Cenk doesn't even really address the topics... He loses his train of thought and starts talking about nothing and throwing insults. Which is the democrats go to all the time!
Cenk>>>>>>>Dinesh
It seems to me like Cenk purposefully misunderstands Dinesh's points in order to try to make him look bad. Dinesh's point makes complete sense: Slavery was an immoral and terrible thing, but even many of the African Americans that are not well off in America live better lives than they would have if they lived in Africa instead. Doesn't seem that controversial.
At the price of losing our identities, language, culture? By having millions of us killed, raped, tortured, etc??? No. That is such an ignorant view, but you have the right to your ignorant opinions and so does he. No one makes that argument about the jews benefiting from the holocaust. You can respond if you like but I won't be responding, Gross.
Do you purposefully misunderstand it too? In no way was I making a claim about whether slavery was a net benefit to humanity or not.
+Channel Verdell that language and culture still presides in Africa. You can give back everything that makes life great here in the western world and take up that standard of living.
But Dinesh said it was Democrats who were more into owning slaves. So he is thanking Democrats.
Also, what's the actual point being made? Millions of people come over here without having to have been descendants of slaves.
He said that those millions I just mentioned have a very hard time to get here. So he is implying being born here is easier, and it's of little consequence regarding your ancestors being enslaved to make that happen?
Literally what is the point he is making?
GBU, I think you understand his point, but you're trying hard to misunderstand it.
At least TYT have the honesty to keep this video up, because Cenk is just putrid, and even more intellectually dishonest than what I was prepared for.
I've noticed cenk has a tendency to rely on personal attacks and interrupting his opponents
I noticed that people within the audience, opposing D'Souza, did the same.
dinesh relies on a respectful oponent,
cenk relies on his clapping posse
If debating was about who can talk louder, throw the most insults, and completely ignore what someone is actually saying than Cenk won this debate... However that is not what a debate is. A debate is clearly representing your view and explaining why it is right, while listening to the other person and then explaining why their view is at a fault. In that sense Dinesh was clearly the superior I this discussion. That is when he wasn't being continually interrupted with idiotic comments that were way out of perspective. His analogy at the end about the ladder vs the rope was very well put and was probably the best part of the entire event. I don't understand how anybody could think Cenk is anything other than a moron after listening to him for more than 10 minutes.
Boom!
Cenk you got owned.
One comment for every hundred is in support of Cenk... And this is his own RUclips channel 💀
Because they're bots and your extremely easy to manipulate lol wow
@@randommthrfkr6568 By your astounding logic, when 99% of people think one way and 1% think otherwise, the 1% is right, and the 99% is comprised of stupid, unintelligent morons who just follow their leader. Have you ever considered that when everyone is telling you that you're wrong, that you might be just that, wrong? Based on your comments throughout the section, it looks like you're in a complete state of denial. You can't bare that someone disagress with you politically, so you're crawling through all the comments that say Cenk lost (which is almost every comment) and telling them that they're stupid. That's really immature of you.
@@rje613 constantly in the wrong side of history and somehow you freaks think you have the right to call out the left out in anything? Get over yourselves
@@randommthrfkr6568 what ever dont upset your weak mind. Don't loose sleep over it.
@@alexmason8557 im actually not, that pathetic response did not address the issue whatsoever. The only ones who get upset are you freaks, everytime you don't get your way you'll shoot up a school or some public place because your not getting the attention you needed.
Wow this Cenk guy is dangerous!! His argument about debt and deficit clearly shows that he has no understanding of the difference between debt and deficit. The fact that debt is now double that of 8 years ago clearly shows that whoever was in charge during the past 8 years had lost control of the budget and has overspent the country's money, thus bringing the debt up by over 100%. And deficit is totally within the control of the person-in-charge in those 8 years.
Do you know the difference? You can't change the deficit overnight, and the deficit was very high when Obama took over. i.e. the government was spending much more than was receiving.
Obama did decrease the deficit. Nevertheless, because the deficit was very high to begin with, it accumulated debt over time.
Do you know how this works right?
Does not matter who started it, but 2 terms in office and not reducing debt efinitely shows bad management, incompetence and possibly lack of business acumen. Would you invest your hard earned money in a Company which keeps losing money in a big way year in year out for 8 years running? I certainly won't! So what should the shareholders do? Replace CEO with another from the same management staff of the last 8 years running same ideas, or recruit someone from the outside with proven track record?
Tor Ind Governments rarely reduce the debt.... negative deficit is a very rare thing.
Of course it is important who started.... Obama couldn't just stop spending money overnight, specially because of Iraq war. Wars are exactly the big problem here.
Bush involves America in War that costs way too much money and in your opinion Obama is responsible for that?
so what did Pence do in Indiana?
Leichstenstein, Brunei, Macau, Virgin Islands, Palau
I think Cenk showed how limited he is intellectually when he just flat out admits he doesn't need to read Dinesh's book. Actually yes you do Cenk. You are debating this man and you can't seem to understand his points. You just sound bite misquote him while simultaneously accusing Dinesh of the same.
This didn’t age well. Dinesh saying, “At least Trump is not a crook”… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dinesh won this debate in spades.