DEBATE: Hasan Piker vs Charlie Kirk, Politicon 2018
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2018
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Two of the best and brightest young minds from opposite sides of the political spectrum have a rematch at Politicon to settle the question of whether young people should be liberal or conservative once and for all.
Moderator: Steven Olikara
I think we can all agree that the moderator lost this debate.
MrBobkilla 😂🤣😂🤣
Too nice to be a moderator...
I feel bad for him. He’s getting more hate in this comment section (at least at the top) than charlie and hassan are.
@@Mark-xw5yt Yeah, I do agree... Though some of the hate is deserved
@@popdop0074 Literally remove the moderator from the debate, and nothing changes
This is just Charlie expecting a Liberal but getting a Leftist
thats not the same thing?
@@Hasteetta They are absolutely not the same thing.
@@Hasteetta Educate your damn self.
@@Hasteetta lmao imagine embarrassing yourself like this
@@beatlesandoasis6631 what’s your favorite song on pinkerton
Hasans idea of debating is to insult and mock your opponent instead of providing sound counter arguments
Charles literally melted down at the end lmao hasan cooked him
@@gonky3342Charlie actually provided a reasonable argument and provide actual talking points. Hasan provided no real information in their argument.
Hasan literally had a history of being a pyramid scheming loser even with his own editors can’t even give a real good reason for not paying his editors. Literally this happened with over 4 different editors in 3 years all came out about how shit he paid his workers and even then he will claim those editors aren’t his employees making some stupid claim like “they were contract business agreement as a contractor” which is also not a good excuse because contractors hands out contracts to people labeled under their employment. In any business structure if someone is working to create any form of product or service is considered a form of employment agreement. Under law you have to have them as an employee…
@@mrpumperknuckles1631 Don't forget that the other day Hasan said you should be arguing in bad faith in a debate. Shows what kind of person he is. He doesn't care about the facts, all he cares about is optics and pandering to his audience. He'll know that he's wrong about something but will never concede because he's entirely dishonest.
😂😂😂@@gonky3342
@@gonky3342😆 that’s the funniest joke I’ve heard in a while ngl
I’m disappointed in myself to think that Hasan could have had a valid argument that he could support and hold to evidence. Unprofessional, foul language, interrupted the whole debate. Argument full of holes and cried like a victim baby.
Goes to Charlie.
he owned charlie
Yea, everything you said is class Hassan. I don’t have content, I only have “bruh” and interrupting and shifting the conversation away from having to explain a single thing.then you have people like the person commenting above me, that’s so incredibly ignorant they fall for it
@@jacobvest3750These debates are pointless. Everyone hears what they want. No one walks a way having their mind changed.
@@anishkuvelkar1876you didn’t watch the video 😹
The difference in drip is jarring.
@@thisguy9733 what does that have to do with anything,, we’re talking about the drip sir.
@@thisguy9733 money doesn’t buy drip you can be rich but not have drip. even if one had money when they were younger,, they both have money now,, so there’s no excuse
@@thisguy9733 you deadass just want a moment to shit on hasan for having a job from nepotism,, when it has nothing to do with anything.
@@jerryryans2235 dont feed the troll
What is drip?
Charlie: “Socialism causes Death!”
Hasan: “People die from Capitalism as well...”
Charlie: “Death is unforunate”
XD
@@glenjoke10 I’m not even a socialist I just find that argument ironic...
@@glenjoke10 “no one has ever killed anyone in the name of capitalism” so you’re gonna ignore literally every war started/funded by the US?
@@glenjoke10 you understand that imperialism is part of capitalism right? you understand slavery was part of the capitalist system to generate as much profit as possible while producing the most product right?
@@vinnylepre98 Imperialism and conquering has always been caused by institutions with great power. Wether it has been capitalistic companies, imperialistic regimes or both of them working together. It‘s not about Capitalism or Socialism. It‘s about a single institution having too much power.
@@glenjoke10 Canadian here! Liberal social democracy rocks :)
Additionally, Kirk derailed Hasan from the start; Hasan literally said within two minutes of the debate starting that socialism isn’t ideal, and instead that better regulation of markets and subsidies to improve quality of life are a good thing. *All* of Kirk’s talking points were about socialism and how poor Cuba and Venezuela are. Conveniently ignoring successful social democracies like Canada and most of Europe.
The moderator absolutely failed.
Just the fact that he's using words like "dog" and "dude" in a professional debate is bad
well, u hurt bro. he owned charlie
@@anishkuvelkar1876using the word “owned” to defend his inappropriate vocabulary in a professional debate.. proving the original commenters point.
@@anishkuvelkar1876 which debate did you watch?
@@anishkuvelkar1876 Biased much? 29-28 for charlie
Kirk thinks he's debating a centrist Democrat.
Thats all he knows how to debate
Kirk isn't debating he is ranting
Hi April,
Charlie Kirk is just a mouthpiece for his donors. He is there to make the same Talking Points no matter who he is debating.
Dying channel, dying political party. You all support the people that believe we deserved 9/11, congrats.
Dr. MDMA M.D. uhm we kinda did. 9/11 doesn’t happen if we don’t involve ourselves in the Middle East
I’ve never seen anybody with as much inability to wear yeezys as much as Charlie Kirk lmaooo
He literally could've put anything else on and it would've looked better... literally anything.
@Chase Miller let’s not hate on anyone watching political debates on RUclips. There are some really brain dead Channels on this app like 5 minute crafts or fortnite where people just waste their brains away 😆
@Holy Crusader exactly. We have some intellectuals here😆
@@vuks-fj7fl you must be very smart🤦♂️
@@stevebri9161 ?
Hasan acts like a child. I can tell Charlie got sick of him bc he never loses his shit
Sure cope harder boy charlie is a tool.
He is an emotional little girl 😂
Guess you didn’t watch the full thing through lmao
@@danielaromangago7359 Ironic how the people who constantly call conservatives racists and sexists are the first to devolve to racist and sexist remarks lmao 😂😂
Still crazy to me how Kirk says that Socialisms responsible for 100 million deaths but every issue with Capitalism is "Corporatism" or some pseudo capitalism
Mike Laup yeah kind of odd. Both sides can’t admit the flaws their own side has. Like most things a middle ground is most likely best
Who is letting Charlie Kirk dress himself
the yeezys + mismatched blazer n denim combo is making me lose my shit
@@gabeg1863 jeans with a suit is a no
The narrow shoulders on the blazer, too.
Those kicks! 🤣
It's an old, proud institution of American conservatism to forever look like your mom still dresses you at any age.
I can't stand Hasan honestly, he's just such a hipocrite.
But I think I'm missing some context. It sounds charlie calls the dude in the in the audience chink at the end of the debate, like a racial slur. I take it that it's not that or that's all the comments would be about. Is it the dude's last name or something???
@@Thezedword12 He was arguing with cenk uygur
@@Thezedword12 He was the fat guy from the intro of this video
Fun fact about Cenk, the Co-Creator of TYT and Hasan's uncle, he said on his show that if he became president he would legalize bestiality and that there is nothing wrong with having sex with animals lmao
@@BBones541really??
@@mrpumperknuckles1631 Yup, you can look it up
This moderator didn’t moderate shit this was annoying af
Hasan: Let's just talk about America.
Charlie: Proceeds to name every country he knows.
Because other country did practice socialism... and fall big time... Russian and Chinese fleet to American because there is no future for the average citizens . US is the number one choice because they know freedom, good college and usd is strong.
@@cary1130 ok.. In Denmark we have like the 2nd highest taxcut, college/education is free (we even get paid for going to school) This means that everybody actually have the same opportunities. Don't know about you, but that sound like freedom to me😉
@@snackuilleomeal120 sounds pretty awesome with a population only 5.7 million. Just LA along is nearly 3x of Demark population near 14 millions. since everything was distributed by the government from you own money through taxation (maybe you haven't earn a buck yet because you still in school) your choices become limit to government filter it for you. your sales tax is what 25% so if I need to get a milk for $1 I need to pay another 25%. every penny counts. why not keep majority of your own money that you earn (10% taxation) and take your money and your talent and skill study and start something. btw Bernie Sander keep using Denmark is socialist and your president said nope we are not socialist country...btw US been paying billion of dollar to protect you through NATO. that's another expense Denmark need now worry about. because US taxpayer is paying to protect you.
@@cary1130 lol I go to school and work in my spare time. I make like $900 every month. Nobody is really poor in Denmark because we take care of each other through our taxes, and destribute our resources well. This means that the extra 25% isn't the biggest deal. I pretty sure we are "social democratic" so I'm not sure which danish 'president' said we aren't
@@snackuilleomeal120 ruclips.net/video/tzEPKrHalaY/видео.html
Has won 40 seconds in when he outdripped charlie
Facts
even the moderator outdripped him
fr, I liked the “I can barely fit in this chair”
the chad leftist vs the virgin small face
Capitalism didn't get the Prescription going .
All the money for research comes from tax payers .
Most medications are like that .
Then got some reason our Government be let's Big Pharma rip us off .
Prescription cost wouldn't be do high if we used Collective Bargaining.
My Cancer Treatment cost me well over 150000 dollars.
Even with Insurance , being a Veteran ( had to go outside of the VA ), I still had to take out a loan .
That's wrong .
Everyone is against Democratic Socialism .
Until they get ill or something.
COVID brought this country to it's knees .
We'll be recovering from this for decades .
Ah, the debate where Hasan looked like he was about to have a nervous breakdown
We should come up for a term for like this Schrödinger’s communist bs. They joke about the USSR being justified in killing the kulaks yet defend it. They claim to be socialists yet use decentralized (Switzerland) and centralized (China) market economies to somehow push socialism? Are you a liberal or a communist. Do you want to collectivize capital or not?
Hasan the one who said "babies are colonizers" is supposed to be the Young Turks shining example to debate Charlie Kirk? Yea ok.
He is the dumbest person I have ever seen on RUclips.
why is there an audience member sitting in middle of Charlie and Hasan?
Moderator interference is just regulation in the marketplace of ideas.
@@CrimeEnjoyer lmao
🤣🤣 idk it was so weird
Gotta love how Charlie constantly tries to shit on Hasan for connecting empathy/morality to his political position, but then Charlie goes and says "socialism is evil". Like cmon dude, at least TRY to be self-consistent within even like 10 minute time frames
@Joshua Tamang what about most of Europe
Hasan should not debate anyone. He doesnt know how to do it. Sounds like a whiny little baby and turns to insulting almost immediately
Shocked that you haven't disabled comments. Now that would be true socialism.
He lost me at the “America is the greatest country”. That is not a fact, it is an opinion. There are a lot of metrics one can use to evaluate what makes a country great, and the US is struggling in a variety of them.
"Sit down you psycho" is the best part of this whole debate
Yeah Cenk really went psycho!!
Hassan pisses me off
hasan got cooked by Charlie
You didn’t watch the debate i see
In what world😂 Charlie is an idiot
@@kayleeokAnd Hasan has shoe size IQ. So what's your point? Charlie still cooked hias ass. 😂
Politics aside...damn Hassan lookin fresh as HELL and Charlie's wearing clothes I guess
HAHAH Charlie really said shoe carnival chic🥶🥴
Hassan always looks good, and Charlie always looks like a middle aged dad (coming from a conservative btw)
Hasan looking like a gay boy who wished he was in the army with this boots. Lookin gay af
@@bye92 what’s wrong with being gay? And Hasan’s style is infinitely better than Charlie’s.
Hasan wearing clothes his uncle bought him....
When he started Venezuela-ing he should've brought up the fact that Venezuela literally got stripped of their oil industry (their main source of economy) by ultra-capitalist countries
what they no, they grew their public sector so big the oil sector could not cop the cost and hence they started printing money.
@@ravanadevadas3770 what you have just said is nothing, there were nations taking their oil, that's simply a fact, I mean send me a link that disproves that and i'll check it out
@@fortnitedialectics2050 um what r u on about Venezuela currently has the largest oil reserves in the world they haven't been taken. Their issue is poor management of their resources
@@chriswebb76 source?
@@fortnitedialectics2050 legit go search it on google its widely known they have bigger reserves than Saudi Arabia
Cenk’s boy Hassan got absolutely wrecked by Charlie
I feel dirty watching this on the turk channel.
😂😂
I do too 😂
Charlie proves that throwing out random numbers without context doesn't actually prove anything, also literally lying through his teeth, he said Cuba had a lower life expectancy then the US by 15 years when it's the same.
and the lowest aids rate in the world lmao
too bad the country is so broken form sanctions by the US
Omg this comment made me look it up, jesus christ, he's a liar, Cuba's life expectancy is HIGHER than the US's
Wait, you actually believe statistics coming out of Cuba? Do you also believe The Covid #’ a pit of China?
@@bigg2168 of course he did start fact checking these idiots and read the studies they mention and you’ll realize they lie a lot more then you think
@@Grande79 Trusting only your own country’s media is an easy way to be brainwashed by propaganda.
For those of you wondering why so many are watching these debates now, it is because millions of people are taking an interest in politics for the first time.
A silver lining of the Trump administration.
yeah record number of early ballots submitted and votes casted! hopefully we see this as the new normal. TBH i could careless about the main election, its like 2016 all over again the choice of the lesser of two evils. Local elections can make an impact and that what i tend to focus more on
This moderator really allowed Hassan to interrupt this entire debate
Hassan I don’t think knows how to debate. He constantly interrupts without facts
This is unwatchable because Charlie Kirk's idea of being clever is talking over Hassan and spouting lies. Charlie, talking really loudly doesn't make you correct.
JoshuaFitch sounds like the definition of a mental patient
But what if he screams it. Yeah screaming makes it the truth.
You just describes Hasan as well tho....Dawg
They honestly needed to cut charlie's mic. He tries to make 8 different points and as soon as hasan refutes one he goes on a tangent.
Right. Honestly, what's the point of debates like this if they don't go through each point one by one. They always end up skipping over important points that I wish could be dwelled on a little more because one person wants to list 20 different points at once
@@AT-vp8qw facts dude
@@L4ck0Ski11 This is a debate that makes Charlie Kirk money, of course he's gonna grandstand and not actually engage in debate. Thats the point of these "debates" is to make sure he gets paid to "live like a capitalist" and be an enforcer of a capitalist system. Losing in capitalism means losing in survival.
Wait what!? Charlie could barley get a word in. Hassan kept interrupting Charlie every other word and went on some communist diatribe. The reason Charlie had to rattle off his facts is because Hassan wouldn’t shut the hell up. Btw Hassan gave 0 facts and 0 sources for his arguments which Charlie did but people like Hassan don’t care about facts. Watch the debate again and you’ll see Hassan just whines about the country he lives in that allowed him to make the money he makes. He complains about how corrupt the government is yet wants to expand its power over us lol.
"We need to silence those I disagree with!"
this aged so well….. hassan lookin like a clown rn in 2024
Hasan got OWNED
stfu loser or ill own u
Hasan: **breathes**
Charlie: Venezuela, Vietnam, Cuba, Mao's China
ZIMBABWE, USSR, GUATEMALA
Yeah bro this argument is raising my fkn blood pressure idk how hassan keeps his cool
@@oliverbrown9627 Alright, what's your counter-point? Were any of these states successful?
@@lambeezy5014 there are many countries where it has worked and hes just distracting from the argument by repeatedly listing these countries or cringely implying Hasan doesn't care about death. 10:38 Rather than listing or making tactless implications he should actually argue against the benefits of socialism that Hasan is supporting his argument with
10000 billion dead, vuvuzela, iPhone
For someone that hates socialism so much, Charlie seems to love being publicly owned.
This is really funny
good one
How on earth did Hasan own Charlie? Hahahahaha
Delusion of liberals has no bounds.
Bro did you watch the video? Charlie seeped the floor with this fool
Respect both but Hasan interrupting nonstop was so insufferable zz
how can anyone respect Hasan honestly?
@@marcin8865what’s wrong with respecting both, they both make good and bad points
hasan: *breathes*
charlie: soCIALisM Is Bad whY YoU HaTe sMall BUsiNeSSEs
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J Funny you mention that, because besides breathing, all Hassan did was scream “ThAt’s StUpId” over and over. Dude didn’t give a single tangible fact about anything for an entire hour... yet the Young Turk clown posse is out here trying to alter the reality of this absolute slaughter at the hands of Charlie Kirk 🇺🇸
yimmychonga they both lost, kirk spouting off mostly unrelated data and then had a temper tantrum when asked to answer the same question he asked hasan. his entire argument also ignored basic economics and comparative politics. they both lost
@@anthonynuccio5657 so wtf should we do then as a country
Socialism is good in some aspects, but full socialism is literally stealing
Charlie: HASAN LET ME FINISH
Also Charlie: alright hasan imma stop you right there and talk about Venezuela real quick
He let him finish more
He was answering,never mind 😂😂 these are fun honestly
did anyone count how many times charlie kirk says venezuala? it feels like a million LMAO
@@snowhateswinter4712 and CuBa
Might be the most painful thing I’ve ever witnessed. They both did horrific as far as having the decency to not interrupt their opponent went but Charlie actually did so bad that he got me to side with Hasan on almost everything here.
God, Hassan is such a clown it’s honestly embarrassing yall keep him around
hasan has no clue.
Cuba's life expectancy is 79.2 years---USA 78.7 years.
Cuba's infant mortality 4.1 out of 1,000---USA 5.6 out of 1,000.
Cuba is known for having one of the best healthcare systems in the world.
all while the USA imposes strict embargoes on them
Wow a one year difference my god. Meanwhile most of their citizens live can barely affor toilet paper
@@omarthescriblomale8279 I think you have an inaccurate impression of Cuba. They don't have a lot of luxury items because of the embargo, but the country is thriving with a booming tourist industry. Where the hell do you get your information about Cuba? Tony Montana?
@@blndrhed um cuba is not a tourist thrill.
Cuba is a place where CELEBRITIES mostly visit. Cuba also has nice beaches, but what does that have to do with the fact that they are a socialist hellhole to live in?
@@omarthescriblomale8279 if you'd watched the video you would understand that the OP is disproving Charlie's anti-socialist characterization of Cuba. considering yes, Cuba before socialism was, and still is, poorer than the US. but currently, compare it to the rest of Latin America and its the only country without widespread malnutrition. so yes, socialism in cuba has thrived.
It really doesn’t even matter who “won” or “lost” the debate once Charlie started freaking out he forfeited the entire debate
Chris B. Hasan freaked out a lot more.
wrsantos did Hassan start yelling at people in the audience?
Chris B. Doesn’t prove anything. Hasan was more disrespectful during the debate that Charlie was. Hasan was the first to act “freaked out”.
Chris B. WHY do you think Charlie started doing that? Who was in the audience that started saying stuff prior to Charlie shouting?
@@wrsantos when did Hasan try to fight an audience member lmao
This whole comment section shitting on hasan
There is not one redeeming quality this clown has.
this is just so beautiful. Especially since the TYT idiots think the opposite....
Rightfully so.
It is one big ad hominem.
^ "Ad hominem is when observations I don't like"
the more i watch this .. 1. LOL WTF IS THAT MODERATOR DOING And 2. HASAN OMG SHUT TF UP FOR ONE SEC
they both interrupt each other( i dont agree with either of them)
@@optimichuu1446 i meaan Yes respectfully at the start which is a normal occurance here and there, then after Hasan literally kept doing it and slowly charlie started to realise that the moderator was not gonna step in. can tell by his sarcastic comment "oh.. we do have a moderator".. it's weird how people watch the same interview and can't see social cues
Yo is it just me or does Charlie’s face keep getting tinnier over the debate
just like his brain ☺
The angrier he gets the smaller his face gets
I really don’t think charlie has his own thoughts. It’s just a bunch of popular conservative taking points with no context.
he was declaring simple facts. I really dont know why are you so mad about facts, must be a snowflake:)
@@dziugas6795 Lmfao yea and I bet you don't get triggered by anything right? Get outta here you hypocritical snowflake.
@@4G3NTOR4NG3 he didn’t say anything about he triggered, he was talking about factual info that Charlie gave to the conversation and Hasan didn’t.
@@gory2905 Oh please. All Charlie said was basically socialism bad. He didn't bring any new facts or reasons why socialism would be bad to the table. Hasan did a decent job at trying to debate someone who is unwilling to look at any facts presented.
@@supri5e703 All Charlie said was Socialism bad, yes, with proven facts such as: 100 million people dead under socialism in last 100 years; Socialized medicine ruining the veteran’s system; Cuba life expectancy is 50 years; FDA disallowing entrepreneurs to compete against big Pharma; Regulations pricing out middle class consumers as corporations use it as a tool to go after small business owners.
Oooo, and if that isn’t enough, here’s some specifics: Dodd-frank disallows community banks from competing against high level, national and or international ones, giving an 80% decrease in community banks; The Venezuelan government made the average Venezuelan lose 17 pounds, put it on the brink of civil war, gave a 40,000% inflation, took away any functioning economy and set a 42% unemployment in all of its exploitation from the lies of Karl Marx; most murderous, hopeless, and poor cities are run by democrats such as
Philadelphia, Chicago, Oakland, Portland, Seattle and Milwaukee; Chicago has has the highest property taxes, institutional income tax, and debt.
Also, if that wasn’t enough, here’s some stuff stated about how free market Capitalism is far better: $20,000 to $500 cost of LASIK eye surgery; Since it’s not covered by insurance, consumer can go straight to doctor so they know how much it costs, so prices went down, quality went up, and accessibility goes outward, that’s what happens with a market; anything costs less with competition; Free market capitalism is most successful ever, and the western civilization has been one of the greatest experiments ever; Life expectancy has doubled in the last 100 years in America.
Plus, something no democrat wants to hear, COUNTRIES!!! Nothing like some proof, real, easy to find evidence starting with our beloved Venezuela, then to Zimbabwe, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, former Algeria, former Belarus, East Germany, Soviet Union, and Mao’s China.
So, about Socialism is bad... your right!
the fact they had a "moderator" was a joke
Hassan and Cenk aren't intelligent enough to debate Charlie Kirk.
😂😂😂😂
Huh?
When Hasan speaks his argument or asks a question.
Charlie: Cuba,North Korea,Zimbabwe, and Sovite Union, Socialism Bad.
Don’t forget the National Socialist Party and North Korea
What went wrong at those places then...should we not try to learn from others mistakes?
@@Roguenight863 bruh
@@animposter4971 well... Hasan has never really rebuted the claims that socialism was the cause of the failure of those places. He only laughs, says the are unconnected and calls Charlie crazy for bringing them up. But I never got clear answer as to why they shouldn't be mentioned.
@@iTotallyJuust not really , when he mentioned venezuela and national worker socialist party , he had know what idea what he is talking about , because both of these things dont come under the category of socialism , and whenever conservatives talks about socialism or communism , they never mentioned what it actually means , they just keep saying its bad . everytime i have debated a conservative on socialism or communism , they never answer my question what it really means. Just like when charlie blindly said communism killed 100 million people , i have sources and studies to prove that communism never actually killed this many people and how many have died under capitalism, and i have sources also to prove that nazis and countries like cuba, venezuela, USSR, Stalin USSR, Mao's china and north korea ... they are neither socialist nor communists
Talk loud + speak fast + whataboutisms + don't stutter + speak in absolutes = must have owned Hasan 🇺🇸
Ikr what a joke
damn 6 years later and Hassan's bodybag is still getting dragged by the comments
And what did we learn? Absolutely nothing… one side was let to speak as long as he wanted no interruptions. The other began an argument only to be interrupted 3 words into the argument. It is ridiculous man. If you want to spew hours long dialogue go do your own podcast. When you debate, you give your arguments and reasons why you support your claims. You might even ask the opposition a question. If that happens you let them speak and give their points and counter arguments. This debate was the opposite of productive. It was rather ridiculous. The only thing I disagree with Charlie is he did lose his cool a bit there toward the end at an audience member. But come on Hassan. Rather than spewing insults and talking over the guy, actually come up with good arguments that support your views. All I heard you say was conservativism and capitalism bad. Liberalism and Socialism good. Just remember, I solid sign you are losing a debate is when you throw out insults about the other person’s views/character. With that I say Charlie wins even with his outburst at the end. Charlie gave facts and Statistics as well as valid examples that supported his claim. All Hassan could say is capitalism gets in the way of socialism and socialism is how you improve a society. I wish I could have hear more what Charlie said but too bad he was interrupted by an obnoxious left winger who doesn’t want what is best for America. It is sad people like Hassan have these ridiculous views.
That money has to come from somewhere. If not a private bill, it will come out of your wallet. Even for people who don’t even need healthcare. It’s like why should I be forced to give my hard earned money for something out of my control and has nothing to do with me? What should happen is a bigger emphasis on charity funding and crowd funding to help support those with chronic medical issues. Incentives for giving to medical money pools and stuff of that nature other than tax cuts/exemptions would be nice. Why don’t we try harder in pledge drives and make need known and have people be willing to pay for someone else’s medical rather than forcing people to pay for it? Medical care is a privilege not a right. Reason I say this is because let’s say every doctor/scientist decided they wanted to retire or end their practice. Now statistically speaking this is a major hypothetical. But you can’t force people to be doctors if they don’t want to be. Freedom goes out the door when you try to do that. But you incentivize the medical industry by making doctor wages high; therefore people are willing to put up with college debt and the stress that comes with healthcare to receive a solid wage. That wage has to come from somewhere. If not the patient then it is the tax payers. And now we are right back where I started.
That moderater did a fantastic job of stopping these two from talking over each other.
😂😂😂
kappa
The moderator made is so entertaining tho!
That's not true I see hassan is interrupting a whole time and the moderate just laughs
@@agolg622 clearly it was sarcastic
"Common critique of Conservatives are we don't have a plan for healthcare"...
*2 years later*
Nothing
its because conservatives dont critique the government. Because thats the whole point.
Charlie talks 10% of this and takes 90% of the debate 😂 he won....
He won if it was a shouting match. He offered no substance and relied on yelling out talking points. It wasnt even a debate.
@@vandannng528 no he actually would speak normally until the little girl hes debating started interrupting.
@minia768 I don't think Charlie kirk Is a girl but he sure does act like one. And looks like one.
You can see the result of our poor education system when people think Charlie Kirk won this "debate". Charlie excels at appealing to poorly educated neo conservatives by using " gotcha moments", logical fallacies, and patriotism.
You’re right but hasan could have done much better in my opinion
This debate would have been mad lit if Hasan got to finish more of his thoughts. Charlie won, but not with substance, just sheer force lol
@@fridgeninjas How is "countries only failed cause of socialism" Charlie winning? Especially when America is proud to intervene in other countries buisness, systems, and governments?
@@antennaboy3383 I agree with you, I thought most of what Charlie said was absolute garbage. I think he "won" in the sense that he was able to control the narrative for a longer period of time. He straight up just talked over Hasan for most of this, and many times steered the discussion away from certain topics when he knew Hasan was setting up to obliterate him.
Charlie's points sucked, but he was the more skilled debater.
@@fridgeninjas I just notice how Charlie listed facts on completely unrelated topics at times, and when Hasan demonstrated knowledge on a certain subject, Charlie wanted to move away from that talking point, like the Lasic Eye Surgery thing, the Socialism being evil and contries failing "OnLy DuE tO sOcAliSm" and etc. Why doesn't Hasan practice what he preeches? Cause it doesn't work if ONLY HASAN gives away whatever % of his money. When he said "do you think that's how it works?", it is actually a genuine question. It's much easier to practice capitalism and free market ideas...When you have WAY more money and live in a country that enables you to do so.
The way charlie kirk wears yeezy's makes them look like grandpa shoes
Hasan’s entire approach is flawed ….also he is smug and condescending
Kirk was constantly smug and being condescending, they literally both were. if you cant see that you literally are up your own ass
A 5 yr old can probably make more coherent points with more respect than this genius Mr. Hasan! A 2 yr old can probably be a better moderator than this stump in the middle!
how did they let charlie walk on the stage with that fit
Everything hasan was cautioning and trying to prevent has all culminated and come true at once during this pandemic.
too real man he’s always right dude
they’re both amazing at debating but Hasan continuously interrupting Charlie was so infuriating😭
Pretty awesome that Cuba solved AIDS
😂😂😂
imagine thinking charlie won lmao
Charlie WRECKED him
@@Zero_cool79 says the man who claimed USA was economically mobile
Are you a troll ?
@@keyan1219 why does the U.S have the most immigrants in the world as of 2019 (48.2 million). Why would i be a troll?
@@Zero_cool79 what does that have to do with anything ?
@@keyan1219 for the U.S not being economically mobile, 1.18 million people (Thats just the legal immigration), last year, left those other countries and immigrated to the U.S.
Th U.S Ranked 27 out of 82. So something about the U.S keeps people coming here.
America is so good even the haters won't leave.
The dude on the left is conservative, and they call liberals triggered and snowflakes, but he seems to be the one with a red face, screaming into his mic, and his posture is uptight and uncomfortable. 😂😂 👌
No matter his posture, he still put more facts and relevance to the conversation than Hasan.
@@gory2905 If your idea of “relevance” is discussing the USSR and democrats, then sure.
@@David-gr1do what about him using other proven facts such as: 100 million people dead under socialism in last 100 years; Socialized medicine ruining the veteran’s system; Cuba life expectancy is 50 years; FDA disallowing entrepreneurs to compete against big Pharma; Regulations pricing out middle class consumers as corporations use it as a tool to go after small business owners.
Oooo, and if that isn’t enough, here’s some specifics: Dodd-frank disallows community banks from competing against high level, national and or international ones, giving an 80% decrease in community banks; The Venezuelan government made the average Venezuelan lose 17 pounds, put it on the brink of civil war, gave a 40,000% inflation, took away any functioning economy and set a 42% unemployment in all of its exploitation from the lies of Karl Marx; most murderous, hopeless, and poor cities are run by democrats such as
Philadelphia, Chicago, Oakland, Portland, Seattle and Milwaukee; Chicago has has the highest property taxes, institutional income tax, and debt.
Also, if that wasn’t enough, here’s some stuff stated about how free market Capitalism is far better: $20,000 to $500 cost of LASIK eye surgery; Since it’s not covered by insurance, consumer can go straight to doctor so they know how much it costs, so prices went down, quality went up, and accessibility goes outward, that’s what happens with a market; anything costs less with competition; Free market capitalism is most successful ever, and the western civilization has been one of the greatest experiments ever; Life expectancy has doubled in the last 100 years in America.
Plus, something no democrat wants to hear, COUNTRIES!!! Nothing like some proof, real, easy to find evidence starting with our beloved Venezuela, then to Zimbabwe, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, former Algeria, former Belarus, East Germany, Soviet Union, and Mao’s China.
@@David-gr1do lol u didnt respond,exposed
Liberals for the most part are referred to as snowflakes because they use emotions over logic... Meaning they let their feelings get the best of them instead of what's actually going on
Charlie easily won that
lol
This is Charlie talking and hasan getting agitated with every point he makes
Says the side that thinks "Trump won" but never provide proof. The side that thinks JESUS walked on water and pretend to be Christians.
I love how conservatives constantly say let me finish. While repeatedly interrupting the person they are talking to and never let them talk long enough to explain their points
like joe biden?
@Aj Shields maybe if you did some research you wouldn't have said some dumb shit like that. "Last year Cuba became the first country in the world to eliminate mother to child transmission of HIV and syphilis as a public health problem. According to the World Health Organization
@@unluckyattacks6371 by having a Caesarean section? Is that what you mean?
@@gory2905 antiretroviral therapy. Dude you have the internet with pretty much all of human knowledge in your pocket USE IT. Stop being dumb go look it up for yourself. Do you not know how to do research?
they were both doing it lmao shut up
The chunky dad sneakers, the disconnect from reality, AND with a side of anger issues...the true physical embodiment of conservative men in America ✨
the AUDACITY charlie has pulling up in a middle school dance outfit😔
He's wearing yeezys dear god
@@austin5944 that’s even worse, you’re telling me he paid more than 20 bucks for those ugly things🥴
@@amandaellenburg4674 I think they look cool with the right fit, not a suit though
Almost like saying dawg every 2 minutes in a debate lol
why bother to debate to Hassan, he has no idea what is talking
Says the braindead capitalist
So you believe large corporations should be able to do whatever they want? He argued for government accountability and worker's rights.
Didn't know the guy from schitts creek was a communist.
Still laughing..
Charlie saying competition makes healthcare cheaper💀💀
bIGGEST cap I've heard even on the logical spectrum
it does want me to explain?
@@moefriends1093 go for it, I'd love to hear this take.
@@YourBudEgg where's the take?
@@YourBudEgg even Joe Biden somewhat knows this when there are multiple companys they want to sell there stuff but if they have a companie that has it cheaper than they have to make it cheaper ap if they made it cheaper then the next company wants to sell but the cheap one is taking there customers so they create a new item (medicine) that's better but at same price this lifted 86% of people out of poverty in the last 300 years and since the industrial revolution it has been going faster this is called $Capitalism$
"Western civilization was created by free market capitalism"
Charlie is brain dead. Western civilization existed long before the concept of capitalism and guys like Adam Smith
A Sabry It was a retarded statement. Something along the lines of it helping advance western civilization would be more accurate and even then it has been a failure to western civilization in some aspects such as healthcare and warfare.
RIght? Western Civilization dominated because of the industrial revolution but almost collapsed because of unregulated capitalism. Without socialism / regulations, America would have never left the great depression.
The consept of free markets is the inherit nature of humans. When tribes traded with eachother many thousands of years ago there was no government deciding the price and taking a cut
@@Sheiiko Correct that free markets are old - capitalism is not. Western civilization existed for millennia before capitalism which isn't interchangeable with free markets - guess what, socialist markets also exist.
Hasan literally only can argue by interrupting people lmao
they both interrupted each other LMFAOO
@@jace2643 hasan does this in EVERY debate though
He interrupts Charlie so much yet he acts like he doesn’t 🤦🏻♂️
"Cuba - the place where the life expectancy is 15 years less than America" @13:30
Wait....lets check.
Cuba life expectancy 79 years, USA = 78 years.
What are you talking about, Mr. Kirk. I think someone is lying.
Kirk still made up the numbers.
Yeah Kirk still pulled those numbers out of his ass.
Do you really trust any numbers that come out of Cuba?
@@whyamimrpink78 I trust the WHO and IGO's that confirm Cuba's numbers.
@@whyamimrpink78 WHO generally runs these numbers. It is in their best benefit for the numbers to be as accurate as possible.
why is Charlie dressed like a 15-year-old in debate club
@@seanie002 Hahaha, love it!
Turks got owned!!! 😂😂😂 was there a moderator in this debate? Would have loved to hear a sentence from Charlie…
God I know this is old but this shows how Hassan is the biggest joke on the internet
I’m not sure how Charlie kept his cool dealing with this child.
Holy shit
"Let's get this right first, Finland isn't socialist"
"CUBA. VETERANS. I'M AGAINST WAR, HASAAAAN."
Brooo the whataboutisms and strawman goes hard with Charlie
kirk dude just spits out numbers with no context and smugly thinks he wins every argument lmao
Damn him for knowing statistics🤣
I agree it nauseating but he presents the facts
@@Zero_cool79 statistics without context is not the knowledge of statistics. That's why actual studies factor in related numbers. If you read a study on education it factors in families, schools, and students. Statistics are multifaceted and Kirk's fans don't understand that. That's why his main strategy is deflection and trying to reach another talking point ASAP.
@@rickeygregory9089 ok so a few things.
1. You can look up everything he says. Its rather easy to do since we all have computers in the palm of our hands and the fact that he is well versed in the statistics he is using means he studied both sides of thw issue ti actually make an argument.
2. Democrats love usingf the phrase "talking points."
I remember whne the truth was simply called truth.
3. Only some statistcs are multifacited, such as the wage gap myth. Some statistics are just bare bomes and black and white.
4. I watched this entire debate. I didnt here much "deflection" from kirk. However, i did here Hassan use transition phrases such as "what about," and "how come," which usually signals a new line of thought. With Hassan its fine but if Kirk does it its deflection? This is what makes democrats so easy to debate and this is why they are so often defeted if they dont apeal to the emotions of the masses. They seem to want to have different rules for themselves and when they cannot have those rules applied they scream foul (or in other words; deflection).
Who needs facts puhhhh
Hasan Piker's $4 million net worth paradoxically highlights how he has prospered within capitalism, despite critiquing the system he benefits from. 😅😅
How is that a bad thing, though? To acknowledge that, even though you benefit from something, it is not beneficial to the overall population is an amazing sign of being down to earth. Hasan has talked about how the origins of him questioning capitalism have roots in the fact that as a kid, he noticed that he had a whole lot more things than everybody else and thought it was messed up how he had more access to stuff like healthcare and education and basic necessities than the other kids. I'd love to hear your opinion on how that is a point against him instead of for him.
@@undertheinfluenceofswag7092 if he really thought it was messed up don’t you think he would give up his wealth and lifestyle for the betterment of the ppl ? No instead he talks about how the government should tax the less fortunate more which would literally keep any of us from ever reaching the level of wealth he’s enjoyed his whole life. It’s like he uses this fake persona of being against capitalism as a way to keep the club exclusive
@@birdupproductions3175 not you saying you think this man with a couple million dollars could give up his wealth (AND his platform from which he can actually influence people, AND the ability to live with any quality of life) and make even the slightest dent in the amount of material suffering being caused by wealth inequality and structural violence 💀💀
it never fails to be wild how people will continue to make this "you think the world should be better... and yet you continue to live in it? 🤓" ass argument and somehow not see how ridiculous it is - what, do you think the only way anyone can prove that they "actually" want the world to be different is by dying so they are no longer part of it? omg
"committing suicide to own the capitalists" LMFAO
Edit: I just remembered this does in fact actually happen, over and over again. So it's actually deeply unfunny, because whenever someone loses their life to the despair of financial deprivation and a society that does nothing to uplift them, they're dismissed as an individual rather than a damnation of the system that failed them.
So even taken to the tragic logical extreme, it's still not taken seriously!! God this "if mad, y no leave?" argument sucks so bad
@@babblingmongoose obviously it wouldn’t make a dent in the issue but he’s be putting his money where his mouth is if he’s advocating for bigger government that means my taxes will go up so a good way for him to use his influence in support of that is it give up a significant amount of his wealth but I guarantee you he wouldn’t do that. It’s very easy to advocate for higher taxes that will negatively effect the poor and small businesses while you sit in an ivory tower
I absolutely hate bad moderators it's so annoying like tell hasan to shut up.
Poor Charlie he should openly lie unfettered like the Capitalism he supports
charlies got the weirdest fit I've ever seen
really said his 7th grade dance
thats the conservative fit bro, no matter whats above the feet, you gotta have those ugly ass skechers
@@Aris-tc9qy 😂😂😂😂
@@Aris-tc9qy those are yeezys bro
@@dhard yeah but he wears them horribly lmao
Charlie's arguments were as weak as his drip
Yeah I don't know what he was doin with his yeezys....at least I think those are yeezys
@@UgherzCookies those a yeezys????? they look like sketchers
Is there a reason why every other comment is a reference to "drip"
@@lartisteautravail because charlie's drip is as debilitating as his arguments
@@cellamarino I have no idea what that means though
Once I heard “dawg”, “dude” & “bro”,I can’t hear anything else.
Exactly my point , if you’re professionally debating an opposing viewer you can’t use certain language, or you’ll look like a fool!
Kirk SMOKED this dude 🔥
Hasan was basically like:
"Let me get this dub real quick"
I'm just over here like:
"Sure thing dog"
Both did a great job promoting socialist ideas
Can you elaborate on that
@@stevebri9161 Charlie’s arguments were so terrible that he ended up proving Hasan’s points about socialism being potentially good and us already benefiting from a mixed economy
@@BushidoBoyd Do you honestly believe that having more government ran/controlled programs is going to make us better off? This completely defeats the point of a thriving country
@@BushidoBoyd Charlie's arguments were not terrible because Hassan is basing everything off of emotion.... I'm not saying he doesn't have the right intentions
@@stevebri9161 Do you honestly believe it’s as simple as no regulation = good and any regulation = bad?
And if you think Hassan was the emotional one and Charlie wasn’t, then we both watched different videos
Watching Hasan debate is going to be how I get tortured in hell
“Dawg”
“Dawg” “that’s so stupid”
@@Mike_N_ike24 dawg, that’s craaazzzy!!
all of the free uncle media training in the world can't cure a frat boy from talking like he just slipped something in a girl's drink and bragged about how much game he has the next morning 😅
wtf why are these comments so fresh
tiktok prolly lmao
🤷♂️ why is water wet
Idk I was on Kirk’s RUclips channel watching videos and for some reason this video automatically played next
Charlie Kirk literally looks like a 6th grader with his running shoes.
Hasan literally debates like a third grader right dog? Right duuuude!
I really like your account name XD
Yeah the running shoes do look a bit odd, I admit. I know many that have to wear running shoes do to injury or prolonged traveling. But in the greater scheme of things, looks don't matter. Facts matter.
Non SJW Progressive 6th graders with running shoes have a solid understanding of our Countries history, and how it’s current government and economics work (Unlike the Young Turks)? Interesting.
Abel Gonzales - You clearly overlooked the content of his arguments
Charlie admitted we have a food abundance in this country...and, people die of hunger.
You must remember, Charlie is unable to link things together. Rather, he thinks problems are separate and never connected with something else
Who tf is dying of hunger in the u.s? Honestly asking lol I know absolutely nobody that has starved to death due to no access to food. Kinda disingenuous to say that...
@@soccerislife6108 Please use the internet. It was provided to you. Just because you don't know someone who has to deal with hunger doesn't mean they don't exist.
@@soccerislife6108 I don't know anyone who has died of AIDS therefore no one has ever died of AIDS
Great logic my dude